assassination

[iron vigil]

For legendaries, you will want to recraft Duskwalker on Chest for the mechagon set and Unity on Wrist to enable the 4 set

[elder jasper]

thank you!

I found it

[iron vigil]

I got a 304 eye of command and a 304 memory of past sins in my vault. Three other guild mates use memory of past sins. Which trinket would be my best option?

[limber lion]

EoC

[burnt latch]

Anvil gaming

How are the players meant to get on the big screen if they dont have hof???? Once AG gets HoF its blas0n demon time and everyone on the roster getting paid

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying buddy

Blas0n gonna take NA to the promise land

[strange python]

When did everyone start memeing anvil more than nexus

[oak sky]

lemme find it

https://clips.twitch.tv/TubularSuperNightingaleHassanChop-L8y-nb4hu8lVWYRW

this

[lean fossil]

how the heck do you use the scar trinket?

[oak sky]

!scars

[prisma monolith]

Scars of Fraternal Strife usage:
Stack it up to rune 4. Activate the 5th rune close to the end of the fight, if you can line it up with the last use of your major cooldown.
Note: Runes have negative side effects that can also take you out of stealth.

[ebon lichen]

Any place i can find more m+ oriented sin tips other than wowhead section? Any streamers or youtubers that put out vids for sin in m+?

[balmy condor]

varas is the only person who plays sin m+ atm

and honestly I don't think he even does that

I think he's playing outlaw

[thorn fjord]

We just using injector on CD?

[ashen scroll]

Every other vend

[arctic cloud]

I enjoy it but it has to be my key otherwise it’s a big nope out the group kek

[balmy condor]

yeh honestly kinda rough

you just gotta spread bleed, focus vend target, maintain CT

and hope it's enough

if you aren't slamming vend every minute on something you're just not doing assassination things atm

[arctic cloud]

I’ve been away from wow for about a year and recently come back and I’m all for the vendetta leggo and 4 set tbh I think it’s quite fun

[limber lion]

Good lad

[arctic cloud]

Using my arms warriors m+ score to manipulate people into joining my keys kek

[brazen zodiac]

based

[empty steppe]

wassup yall

cant wait to main assa for DF

[karmic gazelle]

How hard is it to master/learn assassin

[subtle tundra]

Hey I've done some 25s!even streamed them

[balmy condor]

pretty easy

sin is a straight forward spec

[karmic gazelle]

Ohhhh and easier to level one up to 60 (if so what conveants)

[karmic gazelle]

or free lvl 60 boost

[gusty mirage]

Don’t level assassination

It’s a miserable experience

[karmic gazelle]

Ah what if i insta boost a rogue to 60 ?

[balmy condor]

then I guess you don't need to level

[karmic gazelle]

But cause currently playing Feral but looking @ assassin rogue which more easier ?

[balmy condor]

idk

both about the same

assassination maintains everything and then cooldowns

feral maintains everything and then bites

same shit

[obtuse ruin]

Wish they just buffed aoe for assa

[balmy condor]

they are in december

[wild lion]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra @violet jackal scars optimizations are happening from what I can tell but it’s sorta complicated and needs a lot of testing, I’ll write something up in #tc-research after some more digging, but it’s looking good

Might also be able to use the logic for other timing trinkets like cache but no promises

[subtle tundra]

Big man

[viral plume]

Sp Venthyr for assassin rogue ?

[pseudo hamlet]

How are you using Kihra's Adrenaline Injector? Just got it(shows >400DPS upgrade for me!).
Always with Vendetta? Even if I've got 2 cycles of Vendettas that are <1min(so for example for the second use of that trinket I'd have to wait ~50-59 sec?

[storm onyx]

We use it every other Vendetta+Flag

[pseudo hamlet]

So we kinda go:
00:00 - ven+flag+trinket
01:00 - ven+flag
02:00 - ven+flag+trinket?

I mean like, not strictly, but something like that.

Even if that means waiting ~10 sec for any of the ability/item?

[subtle tundra]

You macro with vendetta and forget about it

For 99% of cases

[pseudo hamlet]

Oki doki, will give it a try tomorrow 😄

[violet jackal]

Big juice tech incoming better hide it from dapsman

[spice spire]

It’s not in outlaw

It’s hidden

[viscid spear]

Hidden in my basement

[subtle tundra]

ah yes gonna miss another mythic raid clear

fuck me if i want to get gear i guess

cause my guild changes when it raids

[violet jackal]

tag me in i'm ready

[spice spire]

For EU

[violet jackal]

my greatness knows no bounds and transcends regions, I am ready

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[burnt latch]

If you think u can hide dps gains from daps

You’re badly mistaken

My man smells the word

[subtle tundra]

i wanna play assa keyssssssss

[violet jackal]

It is tyrannical week and raging good week for us

[subtle tundra]

idc what week it is i want to have fun!!!!

[violet jackal]

so go have fun?

[gusty mirage]

Needs more exclamation marks

[subtle tundra]

i cant pug

[violet jackal]

????

[subtle tundra]

i dont pug

i hate

[gusty mirage]

How is Greece varas? You having a good time?

[subtle tundra]

im back

it was cool

but it didnt help with my impression with greeks

imagine you order "home-made burger" and it brings 2 burger patties, some fries and a couple of tasteless veggies

😡

i was seething

no bread at all just those

[brazen zodiac]

lets go have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!! playing sin in 25s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brazen zodiac]

that makes me wanna go make hotdogs cuz i just got bread

[viral plume]

after feral gets his 2nd leggo makin a 60 rogue (free boost from DF preorder)

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra what rio you at rn

[subtle tundra]

like nothing

i havent played buddy

[gusty mirage]

stop bullying varas

go be a pirate bro

[ebon notch]

i thought youd been pushing

[subtle tundra]

i was in greece man????????

[gusty mirage]

he doesn't understand that real gamers need breaks every now and then

[brazen zodiac]

push in Greece?!?!

the ultimate move

[subtle tundra]

i did raid and do some keys

but my guild sabotaged me

swapped raid days

and couldnt attend a full clear

just how they are doing this week aswell

🙂

love being behind on gear

by a lot

[brazen zodiac]

awe im sorry :(

[subtle tundra]

swapping raid days to watch football

🙂

[brazen zodiac]

that seems a little ridiculous. was it just a gm decision or did the whole guild support it

[subtle tundra]

there are a couple of people interested

[gusty mirage]

at least you're cuter than them

and now significantly more tan

[subtle tundra]

atleast i wont get veinripper for a long time

so i have an excuse to play assa

[brazen zodiac]

football season is good money cause of the bets and stuff. i could see the interest. still, sucks that it's trolling you so hard

lol good excuse

gotta play sin in m+ cuz no gear!

[uneven summit]

still Kihras + Scars right?

[gusty mirage]

sure

[prisma berry]

whate are bis for sin?

[spice spire]

#assassination-faq

[ebon notch]

for how long wtf

[burnt latch]

sylvanas parsing this week is

interesting

[spice spire]

[violet jackal]

are you dying?

[drifting cloud]

its not motes

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s an affix diff if I’ve ever seen it

[soft shale]

motes is so broken

[dark token]

the soak one can be kinda fucked

depending on boss

[nimble thicket]

ELE sham eating up mote dam like it's candy

[dark token]

i dps motes so others can dps boss with 80% buff

[nimble thicket]

As sin!? Peak or near peak ST dam shouldn't that be the other way around?

[dark token]

sorry im ww

[viscid spear]

Our condolences

[dark token]

why its outlaw but better

[deft cave]

[dark token]

motes being an affix kinda fucks dps ranks in raid actually

[deft cave]

solution is just put motes at every boss

[fiery kraken]

Just starting sin… any good guide videos that y’all know of?

[solid elbow]

isn't deeper decent now in m+ if we run double edge?

[gusty mirage]

are you playing venthyr

if so, you still play mfd

[loud brook]

thank you everyone that gave me feedback the last time I asked. Is there anything else I could do now or am I just fighting for tiny gains?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rPWBuq3Y3Mken2QAdMxT3S

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

[oak sky]

mechagon rings from m+ would be a big upgrade if you can find them, but you're looking great

also with venthyr usually you go MA+MFD

[loud brook]

for sure, ty both of you

[deft vault]

so why exactly are people playing dusk on painsmith isnt it kinda trash?

you phase him around 1 and come back around 2

[viscid spear]

Doesn't Sin play Dusk on every encounter except maybe Lords?

[deft vault]

yeah i know that

but it doesnt have much value on painsmith thats what i mean

[ebon notch]

i got a 51!

im a bit of a blaster

[burnt latch]

absolutely massive

[ebon notch]

what was your dps

nobody could even get close to me it was really weird

the fight was so fast

[burnt latch]

like a bit under 17k iirc

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch @gusty mirage

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[void pecan]

https://tenor.com/bHWhH.gif

[burnt latch]

[gusty mirage]

were these assassination keys?

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jj5xl/f5b4aee929.jpg

http://puu.sh/Jj5xt/2584be928a.jpg

http://puu.sh/Jj5xB/f4dbec48af.jpg

[gusty mirage]

I don't post my shit in here

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jj5xF/6146f70270.jpg

[gusty mirage]

way to ruin my #outlaw joke old man

[marble hemlock]

youre both disgusting outlaw players

[gusty mirage]

and blame scarizard his tier set fucked up assassination's playability in keys

[marble hemlock]

😦

part of me wants to slam assa in keys again

to show people its viable

but then

id have to play wow

[gusty mirage]

I've been doing necro sin

[marble hemlock]

[gusty mirage]

it's fun

[marble hemlock]

got nice rygelon boots with leech

from my 1item vault

[gusty mirage]

mood

I've had so little motivation to play

[glacial bough]

hows sin in m+ these days?

[gusty mirage]

it's okay

not great or ideal

[burnt latch]

i dont think anyone doubts that assa is viable

[glacial bough]

nice ima play it

bc whot f wants to be a pirate

[burnt latch]

most people just rather play something that is significantly better

[marble hemlock]

yeah well

part of me doubts that outlaw is "significantly better"

heard that one too many times

[burnt latch]

sadly it sims more in st, cleave, aoe

[ebon notch]

Yes

[burnt latch]

also 50 sec vanish cd is very strong

[marble hemlock]

m+ sims

[burnt latch]

its just overall better in every way except for 20 sec burst ST

well you're not going to suddenly outperform your sim on ST just because u enter m+ lol

[marble hemlock]

ofc not

the fact outlaw does more st is kinda fucked

[glacial bough]

what leggo for m+ yall run?

[marble hemlock]

at least assa scales better with the bounty

[burnt latch]

ye usually assa has atleast been able to carry ST as its nieche

[marble hemlock]

and overall dps isnt all that important when you play with 2 dps who vastly out-dps you anyway

[burnt latch]

not assas nieche is like idk, semi decent funnel?

[marble hemlock]

prio dmg, as it always has been

not like

sub funnel damage but like

actual prio dmg

[burnt latch]

ye

and even at that its not great

[marble hemlock]

play a bolstering week with a good assa and youll notice the difference

[fallow canopy]

this week is all about us 😎

[marble hemlock]

but yeah

fuck outlaw

and fuck s4

[burnt latch]

no joke ive had the most fun in m+ this season than any other season in SL

S4 gets a thumbs up from me

the raiding is just shite

[marble hemlock]

cause it doesnt have SL dungeons

🙂

[ebon notch]

I got veinripper and cache today

My god outlaws single target is no joke

Like idk how assa would be expected to keep up

Outlaw is in its prime rn

[oak sky]

on god im dropping a daggy on the day

[obtuse robin]

sadly outlaw also just feels better to play atm

fuck overhang

[subtle tundra]

10 days?

[subtle tundra]

I'm not getting either for a long time cause guild trolls me hahahahah

[viral plume]

So what does Assassination Rogue has that feral doesn't have since trying not to reroll to Asassination due to stress

[vestal wren]

cloak of shadows

poisons

shadow step

[viral plume]

I see and easier to manage/play than Feral ?

[vestal wren]

i am not sure how hard feral is to manage

but a little practice and a decent weakaura/nameplate setup should make assassination easy to manage

[viral plume]

Never done that

[oak sky]

Sins a little harder right now, but typically its on the easier side

[viral plume]

I see

SO torn between both

[viral plume]

Nm not gonna bother since feral at 265+ higher and progressed futhur gonna play this till evoker thanka all

[normal mist]

Morning boys and girls,
I was MIA from RH for a while since I went back to ff14 for a while (3 to 4 months maybe?)
How's assa doing this new patch?

I know nothing of any changes prior to the jailer's nerf where he became a target dummy (in HC)

[subtle tundra]

You said it yourself

Nothing changed

[normal mist]

So assas the same but from what I read outlaw is becoming a king?

Or has become, legit no idea.

[balmy condor]

outlaw got buffed so it's the preferred spec everywhere atm

sin is still okay in raids but playing it in m+ is reserved for the most cringe amongst us (varas)

[subtle tundra]

You fucking don't make me stream some m+ today

[marble hemlock]

Is this hour you thought about me in BFA?

[pseudo hamlet]

I am TOP20 World Assa rogue in M+ according to r.io!

...and I only did +20-22 dungeons on forti last week

[arctic cloud]

How did you get into groups or was it your key haha

[ebon notch]

Hope you had fun

[pseudo hamlet]

some of them for sure thought that I was outlaw lol, but some don't really care

tbh most of the +20 keys I've timed were with non-meta spec players

The groups where I was with "full meta PRO players" were falling apart and not being able to finish the dungeons in time, not all of them of course, but statistically higher

[ebon notch]

those are all the survival hunters and destro warlocks that had inflated rio last season

wanna know how a warlock is a fotm reroller? they cant play demo

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, saw in the grim rail a lock that was barely doing 9k DPS(overall)... with 287ilvl

[distant heron]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[thorn fjord]

Dont see why you would want to subject yourself to Sin in keys

[gusty mirage]

KEK

[subtle tundra]

cause you like the spec

and its not like anyone here is pushing 30s

[thorn fjord]

I love sin

dont get me wrong

But man ALL the work in keys playing sin just doesnt add up for me

[subtle tundra]

i like it

and then i get mad when i play outlaw

cause outlaw is so much easier

[thorn fjord]

its like 1000x easier

Even sub is like 100x easier

[subtle tundra]

but it being difficult is part of the fun

[thorn fjord]

You a masochist Veras its ok

[spice spire]

Nah varas is just based

[gusty mirage]

true

assassination keys just hit different

you feel like you're actively building toward something

problem is, that something never arrives

[spice spire]

And you’ve earned that damage number

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

below the tank

I’m almost as high on damage on my rat warrior

[gusty mirage]

get a gavel

you'll smoke your rogue every time

[spice spire]

10000000%

Legit just upgraded the 252 weapon

[ebon lichen]

Trying to be #1 sin on my server. Bragging rights

[spice spire]

So it’s probably infinitely better

[gusty mirage]

our 2nd warrior just got his gavel

I used to dumpster him

now he beats me

ig he's just better

[spice spire]

Yeah our dks got gavel

And I’ve 0 shot

“Edge of night does damage too”

You’re right that 2% of my damage pumping compared to your 8-10%

[gusty mirage]

8-10%?

oh

heroic gavel

mythic one is 15%+

[spice spire]

It gets better ad, but it gets worse instead

[spice spire]

Balanced

[thorn fjord]

Our warlock put a Gavel on his dread lord

🤣

I get my mythic EoN tonight atleast

And hopefully a mythic VeinRipper

[ebon notch]

2%??

[royal lantern]

oxi is into edging, undestood

[spice spire]

Yeah sorry 2.5% on the eye

[ebon notch]

ok ur playin the wrong spec bud

6% for me

[gusty mirage]

just go to #outlaw already

no one cares

[ebon notch]

i cant hang out here?

my bad

[spice spire]

[distant heron]

NO PIRATE BOYS ALLOWED

[spice spire]

I’m here to gatekeep!

[spice spire]

Pause

[gusty mirage]

no

[spice spire]

[distant heron]

“Hey fellow ass rogues 🥸”

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

wtf mod abuse

segregation

[gusty mirage]

sorry trying to look for who cares

[royal lantern]

segregation is ok in SOME cases

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

oxi why u do this

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-stephen-a-smith-gif-13112895

[ebon notch]

just cause i play outlaw doesnt mean i dont main assa at heart

[gusty mirage]

play whatever you want buddy

the world is your oyster

[distant heron]

They hate us cause they anus

[ebon notch]

ur an oyster

[gusty mirage]

the staff channel reminds us why we hate outlaw rogues

and it's not because "we aint you"

[ebon notch]

what happened in the staff channel 👀

[gusty mirage]

90% of the filter hits in the last 2 weeks came from outlaw players

unsurprisingly

[ebon notch]

wtf lmao

[distant heron]

Hey now

[ebon notch]

are you on EU?

[distant heron]

No, I play on Black Dragonflight

[ebon notch]

i dont know what that means but ok

[distant heron]

North America server

[spice spire]

Oxi wakes up really early to be a hater

[ebon notch]

ahh

[gusty mirage]

ok

[distant heron]

It’s okay. Even Jesus had haters

[spice spire]

Just like me tho

[gusty mirage]

for me to be a hater, you people would have to be relevant to me

[spice spire]

I hate daps because he’s handsome

[ebon notch]

[ebon notch]

who you mean you people

[distant heron]

“You people” 😯

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[distant heron]

So does this mean veinripper is ass for you guys?

[spice spire]

He means outlaw mains

Yes lmfao

No legion builds here

[distant heron]

I’m a shadowlands Andy, never played in legion

[spice spire]

I didn’t either (I was on a long break from wow)

[distant heron]

How behind the other 2 specs is assassin for keys? Not much or pretty noticeable?

Gonna fuck around this weekend and try sub and ass rogue

[ebon notch]

play what you enjoy

if you aren't pushing high keys it wont matter

[spice spire]

^ but the answer is firmly behind

[cinder pebble]

Well are +20 already considered high keys? O:

[spice spire]

Nah

Those are still whatever territory

[distant heron]

Yeah but the min max in me needs one of you to tell me it’s not bad so I can try it without getting mad 🙂

[spice spire]

25-26s Start being the territory where you can call it big, though this season it may even be 26-28s

[thorn fjord]

It aint "Bad"

[ebon notch]

25s are still very comfy

[cinder pebble]

Want to try assa especially for arena but all rogues I asked told me not to do this. Considering Assa prob. being huge and fun in dragonflight I thought about learning assa now before heading completely clueless into the next exp.

[ebon notch]

26+ is where you need to start optimising even if it is a little bit

[spice spire]

It’s pretty bad
I have to work pretty hard to pull check notes 19k

[ebon notch]

well if you do 30k on every boss

[spice spire]

Meanwhile that’s whatever damage

[ebon notch]

then itll help make up for the lack of aoe

[spice spire]

Ye that’s it

[distant heron]

Is it easier or harder to play than outlaw

[gusty mirage]

everything's harder than outlaw to play

[distant heron]

😦

[gusty mirage]

outlaw aoe is legit your ST rotation + blade flurry

lol

[distant heron]

Yeah but…

[thorn fjord]

yeah you pop BF before ADR and done

[distant heron]

You’re right

[gusty mirage]

assassination is for those kids who refuse to use modern methods and want to do things the "hard way because it's more fulfilling"

[spice spire]

Amen

[distant heron]

I played outlaw before the buffs :/

[gusty mirage]

it's for sure more fulfilling to do 3-4k less overall for 100% more effort

[spice spire]

The outlaw channel uses the appropriate word often

[thorn fjord]

Unless you're running sanctum

Then it makes sense

[gusty mirage]

necro sin in keys kinda cranks

but it's way too much effort

and not worth it tbh

[subtle tundra]

I love it

[ebon notch]

just make the tier set aoe already

fuck it

[gusty mirage]

I do too

it's fun as fuck man

[distant heron]

Yeah but you guys are hype for DF talents right guys?

[ebon notch]

send it home

break everything

[gusty mirage]

friendly reminder than scarizard was a big factor in the dinar & upgrade system

the same man that made our tier sets

🙂

[ebon notch]

if only #outlaw hadnt terrorized him

[gusty mirage]

no

he deserved it

[ebon notch]

we couldve been normal

[gusty mirage]

our tier sets are dogshit

[ebon notch]

not wrong

[subtle tundra]

necro st with haste is so fun

[thorn fjord]

Sub tier the only relatively "Fun" set

[gusty mirage]

have you tried it with mastery yet?

[subtle tundra]

MAN I HAVE BEEN IN FUCKING GREECE

[gusty mirage]

I'm just asking bro 😦

[ebon notch]

but like

why

???

[gusty mirage]

I've been considering giving it a go

see if mastery actually does anything

it's giga good with haste tho

[subtle tundra]

fun with friends?

[thorn fjord]

Greece sounds delicious right now

[distant heron]

I’m gonna swap to assassin just so I can say I did it the hard way 😎

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/yeap-nod-yes-gif-10618440

[spice spire]

He just like me fr

[thorn fjord]

Twinsies

[distant heron]

No. I give up instantly when something is harder than I thought. 🙂

[spice spire]

You gotta believe papi

[distant heron]

I’m a half ass outlaw rogue who pulls decent numbers. I’m sure being a half ass assassin rogue would destroy my self esteem

[brazen zodiac]

do it

u wont!

i need some entertainment while i listen to 22 hours worth of lectures

[spice spire]

The lectures are entertainment 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[distant heron]

Someone take my osha 30 today so I can learn assassin instead

[brazen zodiac]

for what profession

or is just general info on osha

[distant heron]

Construction

[frail prism]

Anyone know how the Melandrus ring is doing after the nerfs? I assume Mechagon rings will do better, but I got one Melandrus ring at low ilvl and am wondering if it's worth to valor upgrade it

Have a hard time finding any info of the actual impact of the nerf

[fallow canopy]

on #tc-updates there's a comment about it I think

[drifting cloud]

ring wins by very little

[celest ruin]

it beats mechagon rings at max ilvl iirc since you can also equip 311 chest

[frail prism]

Oh shit, saw it now, TY

[cunning urchin]

hey, what's the addon called that shows what spells I've used and scrolls right to left

[drifting cloud]

trufigcd

[vestal wren]

details has a option for it too

and mystler has a weakaura

[pulsar apex]

heya

[vestal wren]

https://wago.io/RvbxkQEv2

[cunning urchin]

Thanks!

[pulsar apex]

as venthyr duskwalkers. do i use CT on single target always? or just during Vend?

[subtle tundra]

finally, i dropped the cos finger! i can stop playing now!

[pulsar apex]

nvm the FAQ is clear

[vestal wren]

big gz

btw. time for a name change when beta opens?

[subtle tundra]

omg

beta varas

finally, realistic

[subtle tundra]

maybe i have a bit too much crit

(with crit tea, havent put soleahs on anyone yet though)

[spice spire]

Not enough! (We’re back in 9.1)

[subtle tundra]

ok

i get elegy

and put soleahs on crit

or get the eye trinket

[spice spire]

Mfs in 9.1 be like, I have 58% crit and 2% haste, should I drop haste for more crit?

[subtle tundra]

ill be bustin

[spice spire]

God bless

[viscid spear]

Let's go back to Ny'alotha
EXPEDIENT III ON EVERYTHING

[spice spire]

The infamous double crit

[subtle tundra]

hmm....

hm.....

my shoulders give 0 crit

[spice spire]

Toss

Drop tier for crit, think of the frost set buddy!

[loud light]

full expedients with that galecaller trinket and popping your lusted exsang

was like 100 bleed ticks in a second

weird patch

[subtle tundra]

didnt even play that

[viscid spear]

Never seen a bleed happen so fast

[timid cloud]

Be glad, that shit was sleeper.

[obtuse robin]

anyday now rogue updates coming

literally the only class missing

today

[fading wigeon]

Man this hits hard. Loved that patch so much.

[storm onyx]

Better last then rushed

[obtuse robin]

that would imply we had a dev all this time only working on rogue. sadly not the case

[storm onyx]

He was busy on DH trees until few days* ago.

[obtuse robin]

how if vengance just got released today

now he is free

if any

[feral rivet]

ferals are hoping hes the one reworking the feral tree too

would kinda make sense to have same person handling rogues and feral imo but who knows

[oak sky]

Its a lot of work for one person but maybe

[balmy condor]

he's not in charge of feral

[feral rivet]

i just said thats what ferals were hoping for

[balmy condor]

I mean

they can stop hoping then

[feral rivet]

whoever it is, maybe they'll acknowledge that druids exist in a bluepost during beta at least

[balmy condor]

druids paying the price for weekly blue posts for the last 2 years

unlucky

[oak sky]

Whens our changes man

[obtuse robin]

i will put my faith in realz that not only is something big coming but the tree will resemble current other tree reworks

[red tinsel]

Can't wait to see, I'm really hoping we'll see something more interesting than Thistle Tea

[burnt ember]

This has probably been asked a million times, but does the spec look good so far in DF?

[minor gate]

What changes are people hoping for

[obtuse robin]

more choice and talents which comes with no 3 point nodes

for both the gen tree and the sin tree

and something to be done with tea and er

[grizzled jay]

3 point nodes are a requirement unless they invent new passive nodes that equal in power to the point you are taking away from the 3 point node.

Assassination doesn't have enough to it to stretch out to the same number of nodes that a class like Shaman has. And I would rather a single passive node be 3 points than get three individual passive nodes that equals the same dps.

Not every spec is gonna have the same # of nodes just because design space for some specs is limited. But every spec has to have the same number of talent points selectable.

This is why 3-point nodes exist.

[oak sky]

pretty sure not every spec has the same number of points selectable

isn't there a spreadsheet

i know most specs are similar but iirc theres a few outliers

[grizzled jay]

huh

every class tree is 31 points, every spec tree is 30.

[oak sky]

oh sure

yeah

thought you meant like

points in their tree

mabad

[grizzled jay]

That would go with "not every spec has the same number of nodes". More nodes = more total points in tree. Generally.

Havoc has 51. Assassination also has 51. Feral has 48.

Havoc has more nodes than Sin though, but Sin has more multi-point nodes.

[oak sky]

nodes and points are different

[grizzled jay]

wow really

[oak sky]

bruh why are you so aggro

like my bad i misinterpreted what you said

[grizzled jay]

[obtuse robin]

u do not have to invent new talents to make equal

what

u can make the 3 point nodes 2 pointers and do the same thing

[oak sky]

you do need to add more points to keep the capstones restricted

[obtuse robin]

and add non throughput talents

yea add non thoruput talents

not make new talents to make up for the power lost

[oak sky]

either or

tuning can fix any power issues

[thin gate]

guys, does anyone know if talent builds will be possible to be simmed in dragonflight? i havnt played back in the day when u where able to spec that many talent points

[oak sky]

think so

[thin gate]

do yall think kingsbane is gonna be picked in pve?

i mean the execute seems nice again but aint quad poison better

including the doomblade

[oak sky]

mostly a tuning thing which one gets picked

might depend on the tier

[balmy condor]

Of course

Why wouldn’t they be

Soulbinds are able to be simmed

Talents are just bigger soulbinds

Will need limits for certain combos obviously

But it’s going to be in raidbots and everything no doubt

[vestal wren]

just need to keep your simc addon up to date

[strange python]

Calling bullshit on higher EoN drop rate

[vestal wren]

the higher drop chance does not rly do a lot

[strange python]

I've now killed sylv 8 times with at least 3 rogues in each (up to 10 in lfr) and haven't seen anyone get it

[vestal wren]

the GV loot table it like 3 times as bug, so you are unlikely to get it from the GV

[strange python]

Yep.

[vestal wren]

and raid loot has the problem of bad luck protection

[strange python]

Also I've only gotten 32 mythic upgrade tokens despite us full clearing every week.

Lowkey hate the loot system this season

[vestal wren]

basically people with higher blp will get a loot piece and you will only get one if you are lucky that you build up enough

so e.g. if you get loot on fate or kel, you are fucked 100%

[subtle tundra]

Both me and the other rogue in my guild dropped 1 first week

[vestal wren]

nice, gz

[oak sky]

other rogue (dekaichinpo) got it (he plays outlaw)

[umbral rapids]

Rogue alt in my guild got it in hc

[vestal wren]

we also have at least two people i our guild that got alpha/beta

and the guild is fairly casual

it seems a lot of ce players got in tho

[versed mica]

ce?

[oak sky]

cutting edge

cleared mythic during the raid tier

[versed mica]

ah

[rotund oak]

did u play through the questlines?damn they are beatiful

[vestal wren]

I didn't, all I did was shortly login and check if some bugs got fixed

[dark token]

more important question is if someone does a combinator style sim for all talents

or perhaps building a graph of nodes with path costs being dps added or something

the graph idea kinda works but its not fully accurate since taking a talent on one side of the tree can influence how much the others add

so anyway it would be a challenge to fully sim all talents unless you brute force

havent calculated number of combinations yet but im sure its a fuck ton compared to previous

[limber lion]

I mean it increases exponentially every time you add a point

So yeh, it's pretty up there

[dark token]

before herodamage etc would just sim all talent combos easily

[limber lion]

Hopefully they come up with a good system for simming talents in Raidbots, it's gonna be a doozy.

[dark token]

its an interesting algorithm challenge for sure

[limber lion]

Even implementing all the new ID's, functionality and so on to the simc is gonna take a while, without even talking about specific apl changes to every spec in the game

as well as actually building the infrastructure in Raidbots to allow people to sim stuff like that by themselves

[dark token]

im not even talking apl here, just talent combination sims and its already a fuck ton

[limber lion]

Ye

But in order for talents to work and sim correctly, you need to build the apl for the specs

Not much use simming talents if they don't work in the apl

And in order to build the apl, you kinda want the talents to work by themselves in the simc. Kinda hard to come up with a good apl if you can't test the sims without working talents

It's a massive project, big respect to all the theorycraft and simc boys who are working on it

[dark token]

implementing talents themselves is a lot of work but not that challenging in terms of figuring out wtf to do, especially since most are cribbed from legion/bfa/SL

but a lot of nuances around the new talent tree will be tough

[limber lion]

It's just that a lot of the talents still need a lot of in-game testing because a bunch of them either work slightly differently than previously, or better yet might be bugged in some way.

Which is hard to test in the beta when a lot of stuff is still NYI, so you can't be sure what works and what doesn't.

Like how does Shadow Dance work with our bleeds, does Cold Blood increase the crit of our bleed for the entire duration and does that apply to all bleeds applied with IC

[dark token]

cold blood + carnage + shrouded + improved garrote

[limber lion]

Interested to see what the simc boys come up with and what Seri comes up with for Raidbots.

[karmic gazelle]

Assassin bad spot now ?

[violet jackal]

no?

[viscid spear]

I read that as bald spot and was very confused

[spice spire]

No.
It’s good in raid, just harder to make work in keys

[violet jackal]

I'm geniunely curious what others are doing different from myself in keys

[brazen zodiac]

well for starters, i think venthyr

wait nvm ur not the necro4life dude

or....r u!

what r u doing in keys mr. pandaman

[brazen zodiac]

i also read it as sin was in a bald spot rn lul

[violet jackal]

I'm bonegang 4life

[spice spire]

I mean I’m doing fine damage, but I aso realize that even if I’m omegapumping 25k overall there’s a hunter laughing at me tossing bombs.
Damage is legit fine until higher keys,
Take haste (potentially mastery? It felt worse but did slightly more, granted it was a higher key than the haste pull, and there was a bit of trolling, but it’s possible)

Also @gusty mirage mastery worth testing.
Potentially solid in NL, literally just did it in one key tho

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

you think I want to play wow?

[spice spire]

Play this

[celest ruin]

is it normal if scars+eoc sim higher than scars+kihras?

[violet jackal]

Link

[celest ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m5n39QtX2ZBQnXNyCB6wAc

first i thought it was bc of nadjia but i simmed with theotar and it still says scars+eoc

[violet jackal]

I have a speculative reasoning but it's not concrete

Also recent updates to Scars APL also might the reasoning

[burnt latch]

u can play with these

[spice spire]

Unsure here, but it’s fairly close and iirc it was pretty close to begin with.

[sage star]

There's no way to macro ring of collapsing futures that doesn't f up something else?

[subtle tundra]

just got kicked from a 27 jy cause i was assa... damn... i guess for some people jy is hard

[viscid spear]

I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Was in a JY earlier this week and 3 people got slimed on Gunker alongside the bot.

[subtle tundra]

their reasoning was that they wanted aoe damage

and they invited a rogue of all classes

LMAO

[pure moth]

Lol

[native belfry]

thish ish becaush u play non meta spec hence you deal no damage

ez

[subtle tundra]

yea you definetly need extremely high aoe in a tyra jy

(the mage was ST build)!!!

[native belfry]

what if someone wouldn't charge shit on the 3rd boss?

You'd need some aoe alright silly

[viscid spear]

Honestly I play ST all the time. Idgaf

[subtle tundra]

necro pogggers

doing 20k ST as necro

[viscid spear]

[subtle tundra]

cause haste bounty fuck yea

[native belfry]

necro sin feels very good in keys

[violet jackal]

^

[scenic root]

I haven't done sin keys since s1 SL. Yesterday I looted my 2nd EoN. Been playing outlaw this patch. How's sin feeling? What kinda setups are being run?

[limber lion]

You can just macro it on your Mutilate. Doesn't really matter too much

If you want to fully optimize it then you would use it once and then let the debuff run out before using it again, but that's honestly a bit too much work for the amount of gain you'd get out of doing that.

[violet jackal]

I macroed it to shiv and rarely got the 5 minute debuff

[violet jackal]

what if master poisoner | mastery bounty was a thing

[spice spire]

That’s cursed

But also @subtle tundra while you’re faffing on some low keys (nice 27 nerd!!!) try mastery bounty.
I need an expert opinion

[subtle tundra]

i hate pugging so i cant really test around

if i got a group, and could play assa, sure

i would

[spice spire]

💀

But appreciate it

I need more testing because it was numerically better but FELT worse not having 63% haste

[subtle tundra]

idk i really want to play assa

cause like, sure, outlaw does better aoe but when it low rolls... it fucking SUCKS.

i feel like complete shit

going into a boss fight and doing 12k dps after my cds

nice!

[steel ridge]

is poison bomb not working or is it just me?

[subtle tundra]

if youre talented into poison bomb, its doing you a favor that its not working

get the hint

[steel ridge]

^^

[violet jackal]

Just proc, and hear that amazing spat sound

[rotund oak]

assa gonna be stronk

[celest ruin]

i mean they should make our tier set poison bombs with different bonus effects every time it procs

i think they should call it mad bombardier

[limber lion]

Like the Survival Tier Set?

[drifting cloud]

labomba

[misty holly]

Poison bomb every time you mutilate. Just spam that shit everywhere.

[violet jackal]

How about every 3/5 envenoms within a 30 second window triggers poison bomb

[obtuse robin]

well feral got some love now

anyday now

[charred mango]

How does the beta assa rogue feel so far?

For the chosen ones

[thorn fjord]

Hi Sinners

[viscid spear]

[thorn fjord]

i did a thing

prob super useless but a thing nonetheless

[oak sky]

is that like a steam deck or smth

[thorn fjord]

It is

It runs really smooth... havent tried retail yet though

[spice spire]

That’s neat

[dense hare]

someone can couch me on mt?

[balmy condor]

🛋️ 🧙 🏰

[timid cloud]

Getting my 3rd Dinner, what’s the move?

[brazen zodiac]

what u already buy

[misty holly]

Do you have the Observers Umbral Shiv transmog yet? Saving my third Dinar for that, in case it doesn't drop for me normally in the next couple months.

[timid cloud]

I got both my dags

We’re doing M Rygelon at least…may buy that though, that is a good idea.

[uneven summit]

how much worse is recursion ring over division.. it just doesn´t drooop

[vestal wren]

haste is quite good on assassination

so if you have that, the difference is not extreme/big

should be able to hit 3 abilities within the 15 secs usually

[balmy condor]

It’s like -50 dps I think

The 3 abilities one doesn’t trigger until the end of the internal cooldown

So division can proc instantly after the cooldown

Recursion you need to cast 3 abilities after the cooldown

Leads to lower downtime

[pseudo hamlet]

it's about ~70DPS less for me according to sims, not that high difference to be honest

The weird thing is that the ring procs even if you don't use any abilities on your current target. It can give you the haste buff after using stealth+shroud+tricks before the pull, which is kinda odd.

[balmy condor]

It also procs off bleed and poison ticks, as long as you’re behind the target

You can be 500 yards away in Timbuktu

But if you’re behind, it’ll proc

[pseudo hamlet]

I meant the "three abilities" one.

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah

The strat for that used to be detection spamming at the end of the cooldown

[timid cloud]

It only recently just started doing that, right?

[balmy condor]

People macro’d detection into all of their abilities

Was super degenerate

[timid cloud]

Range checking the back attack ring, that is.

[balmy condor]

No it’s always been infinite range

[pseudo hamlet]

WTF, that seems really overcomplicated

[balmy condor]

I mean it auto-cast detection on every press so no matter what, you would always cast 2 abilities at a time, which means you get the ring to proc 1 gcd earlier on average

Every 2 presses rather than 3

That’s 33% better

[timid cloud]

Err, to clarify, positional checking. Cause I swore beforehand since we had a dot it would consider us “behind” the target like that. Sorry if I’m unclear, COVID brain right now.

[balmy condor]

25 dps

[balmy condor]

I’m not sure, I had this conversation with @limber lion a while ago cause I remember it working like that too and I had chat logs from back then where I basically said that, but I couldn’t find hard proof that it used to work like that

[pseudo hamlet]

Btw, when I am using Garotte + Mutilate + Rupture the ring doesn't proc!

[balmy condor]

Nice effect

[timid cloud]

Oh okay, so I wasn’t just fever dreaming that?

[balmy condor]

I mean we might be

It might’ve always positional checked and we just remember the bleed proccing part

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I felt like that was one of the reasons it was so good for NYA….

[balmy condor]

Or it could’ve gotten changed through the years of random spaghetti code and bleeds don’t automatically count as behind anymore

I don’t have proof either way

Just people remembering it one way or the other

[timid cloud]

Yeah, makes sense.

[pseudo hamlet]

No seriously. The ring doesn't proc from garrote + mutilate + rupture, but it does when I am using shroud + sprint + garrote.

[balmy condor]

And you’re sure it’s off the cooldown?

[pseudo hamlet]

yes

I just logged in and tried the garrote + mutilate + rupture a few times

[balmy condor]

Okay try garrote mutilate sprint

Wait 30 seconds

Then try garrote rupture sprint

Which one of those doesn’t work

[pseudo hamlet]

it procs from garrote + mutilate + sprint

[timid cloud]

What about Shadowstep, Garrote, Muti?

[pseudo hamlet]

garrote + rupture + sprint doesn't work

[balmy condor]

So it doesn’t work on rupture

Weird

[pseudo hamlet]

I used stealth and it procced though

[timid cloud]

What in de name of de loa…

[balmy condor]

Yeah some real

Luckily it’s just rupture afaik the rest should work

So not a big deal

[pseudo hamlet]

SS + Garrote + Muti + Rupture doesn't work neither

[timid cloud]

Jesus lol

[balmy condor]

Can you log that

Just a bunch of combos working and not working

And then send it to me

[pseudo hamlet]

I am not sure, I didn't use logs ever

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance

It’s not bad to set up

[pseudo hamlet]

Sure thing, will try and DM you about it

[balmy condor]

Make sure advanced combat logging is on under your interface options as well

If you run into trouble dm me I can help

[subtle tundra]

Oh yea I also noticed the ring not proccing when it should but I thought it was just my brain

And then I got the back one

So I didn't care anymore

And it also procs when I'm not targeting anything

Which seems weird since it mentions enemies

[limber lion]

Yep. To be fair I do remember something like that as well, but it definitely does not work like that currently. But at least the "unlimited" range and procing from dots still works, the ring would probs suck on a lot of encounters if it didn't.

Could just be people misremembering how it worked. Just going around slapping bleeds on everything that moves and then hitting a boss straight on for the ring to proc off of the add. Or just another case of spaghetti as per usual.

[limber lion]

Can you use Subterfuge and do gar gar gar gar rup and see if it procs

Or when does it proc if it does

[pseudo hamlet]

will try, gimme a sec

No it doesn;t

[limber lion]

So likely they have just blacklisted gar/rup because they are not direct damage abilities

But forgot to blacklist all the utility stuff

:----)

[pseudo hamlet]

it procs from Garrote + Rupture + Throwing Knife though

tried it with and without poison and Sylvanas daggers

[ebon notch]

Apparently demo locks can proc the three part ring with just hand of guldan

Which is kinda weird

[deft cave]

🍝

[violet jackal]

From what I noticed, you never have to truly be behind a target, I had 93% uptime on the eye last night. I think it procs off bleed ticks. The ring mainly cares that you aren’t in prime tank spot in front . Like 15 degree in front is no but the other 345 is proc area

[gusty mirage]

To confirm, yes all dots proc it

[limber lion]

Yeah like we have been saying for months now and just did during this same conversation. Also it's 90 degrees, 45+45. So it procs from 270 degrees around the target

Just a reminder that the Eye's hitbox is weird and not really something you should conduct experiments on.

If you shadowstep the boss, you appear on the left side of the platform, not exactly "behind" him like you should.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845793121216102480/1005963245208739840/unknown.png

here's a cute picture I made when we were talking about this some weeks ago. Positioning anywhere behind those yellow lines would proc the effect if you have bleeds on the target.

[gusty mirage]

damn girl, you an artist or somethin?

[drifting cloud]

yeah I remember on fish boss in palace you had to go all the way to the side to proc it

and then you just have those bosses that cant parry you where it procs everywhere

[brazen zodiac]

pog perfect circles

[pliant apex]

hi

[viscid spear]

[outer lodge]

Picasso is that you?!

[stray mural]

whats the necro bind for keys

Emeni?

[oak sky]

Marileth or heirmir are close

Marileth is probably better since you can get full uptime with all the resets on packs

[spice spire]

@balmy condor I think I’ve found an LBE gain

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

See what I have to deal with?

[stray mural]

2 or 3 potency

[oak sky]

3

Heirmir would be 2 with gemstone

[limber walrus]

My slice and dice keeps getting immuned in raids, and I can't figure out why

[fleet whale]

that's strange since snd is a self buff

[sweet sphinx]

i just got both mechagon rings. is it worth it to reforge my legendary from ring to chest piece so i can have both on?

nvm just found my answer in the faq

square brain

[distant plinth]

hmm timewalking m+ is stil up in eu?

i got a COS key from the oribos guy

[pseudo hamlet]

Same here, though no point of doing that I guess?

As far as I know the ring is a marginal upgrade compared to the ones from mechagon.

[dusty sentinel]

It’s worth if you have time@and the chance to farm it imo

[limber lion]

Incorrect, if you only play Assassination, it is not worth to farm it at all.

298 Mechagon set beats the 298 Court Ring.

[sturdy merlin]

Can you pull random shit with kevin in dungeons ?

I never played marileth in m+

[oak sky]

maybe during a skip but not other trash mobs

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[subtle tundra]

the bis profile uses it

from fuu

[steel ridge]

You can have better ilvl chest with melandrus, which is quite big.

[violet jackal]

Kevin doesn’t ninja pull anymore

[subtle tundra]

he has pulled this season for me

in grimrail, on the hulk pull, he'd spawn too close to the next pack and ninja

happened multiple times

[celest ruin]

cancelling your 5 minute kevin to shroud through the gambit hallway

[subtle tundra]

@vestal wren sorry to bother you, but idk how to sim so can you sim for me necrolord assa trinkets with like 5 or 10 haste bounty stacks?

[vestal wren]

sure 1 minute

[subtle tundra]

for m+ *

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jjnmsZafXF4wGDhYG3EhYx

[mystic garden]

does bloodstained handkerchief dot stack if i reapply it to the same target?

or is it just a one and done

[vestal wren]

its just one

[mystic garden]

that is really unfortunate

[misty holly]

It should work with our set bonus. And mastery

Might make it usable.

[pseudo hamlet]

Are there also the sims with the Assa Vent for M+?

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

^ the spreadsheet has a lot of sims

[subtle tundra]

very possible that necro is best for assa in every dungeon tbh

haste scales very well

[limber lion]

what happened to the necro mastery bis thing

[vestal wren]

wasn't that a outlaw thing?

[pseudo hamlet]

Thank you!

[pseudo hamlet]

dont feel like putting another dot on everything each pack

[subtle tundra]

ok

[spice spire]

It’s a theory.
Been running it this week, falls off hard if packs aren’t huge

I think haste ends up being better overall

[timid cloud]

Did someone say…MASTERY GAMING?

[subtle tundra]

please

i came back here

outlaw chat

is something ELSE

holy shit

never again

[timid cloud]

I don’t wanna look. I’m scared.

[subtle tundra]

💀

[viscid spear]

Shroud being useless?

[subtle tundra]

i swear its only fotm rerollers in outlaw

that have no experience

and just talk

[viscid spear]

You can see why Guy is always on edge.

[timid cloud]

I’m gonna cut someone.

In Minecraft.

[viscid spear]

Don't get blocked

[timid cloud]

Wouldn’t be the first, won’t be the last.

I’m getting physically ill, & it’s not from the COVID.

[subtle tundra]

stop reading

watch tgp

less go the boys monka

[storm onyx]

lol

[onyx coyote]

I can't seem to find the answer to this. Is there a hard breakpoint for crit/haste? I am at 34% crit and 37% haste and sims are telling me to drop haste gear but I wanted to confirm that it was due to break point.

[subtle tundra]

thats just how stats work

the more you have, the less valuable they become, usually

37% haste is very high

• its in DR range

so 1 haste isnt 1 haste

[onyx coyote]

Ahh ty for the info I thought I might have been in that territory

[ebon lichen]

whos that guy here who runs sin keys on stream?

[timid cloud]

Do I pick up the Scars for my 3rd Dinner, lads?

I’m on the fence between that & Decanter.

[thin gate]

guys can some1 help me out rly quick

i cba to outlaw anymore i wanna assa again

but are mechagon rings prio? i saw some ppl crafting leggo on chest and some on ring

[drifting cloud]

you dont need mecha rings if you have court ring

[thin gate]

so i spamm some court for the ring

and craft the leggo on ring slot

and im gucci?

bcs i got both mechagon rings 298 with socket atm

ik i could" Sim " myself

[drifting cloud]

both options are pretty close for assa but when I simmed for my char court ring was winning by less than 100 dps

[thin gate]

wait

ryler

ur ryler from blackrock?

[drifting cloud]

nope

if you already have both mecha rings with socket personally I couldnt be bothered to farm court

just gear compare the difference with chest lego

[storm onyx]

CoS ring lets you use 311 chest also, so if you dont have access to it; sim it

[thin gate]

tbh i dont think ill evre see 311 chest the only raid were able to full clear is CN

ty tho

ima use prob my upgrades on 2 EON

[storm onyx]

yea its a long path to many who dont kill Mytics

[thin gate]

i mean dragonflight will come one day too

in avg we have 5-7 kills and CN 8-10

raiding 2 days a week atm

pretty casual

[storm onyx]

311 chest is Sylvanas

[thin gate]

yh ik

[storm onyx]

CN is head slot

[thin gate]

yh maybe ima make it

if i loot head/shoulders cn

3rd upgrade Syl Chest after double EON

[storm onyx]

dono, alot of ifs for it to work and long path, still doable if you get the kills

but mecha set with sochets are good

[supple topaz]

Currently sitting with 298/285 EON's, 288(lazy on the m+ so far) Kihra and 304 Eye of Command. What spend my 3rd Dinar on?

[balmy condor]

scars/fusion amp/cache

[supple topaz]

Was thinking Scars, which would you replace of my current trinks for Scars?

I mean I suppose I should just sim it.

[balmy condor]

probably replace eoc

[misty holly]

Have you used scars before? I found the snare downside to be so annoying it wasn't worth gaining a bit of dps.

[plain onyx]

!rotation

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[woeful meteor]

You mean the slow? Haven't used it that much, but while I was using it I didn't feel any of the debuffs

[supple topaz]

I have not. I haven't seen a lot of complaints about it too much. How big is the slow? Is it mitigated well if you have any speed gear, I have a couple and run the Fortified Speed enchant on cloak.

[woeful meteor]

Up to 20% Slow

[pseudo hamlet]

According to sims 304 EoC + 298 Kihra > 298 Scars for me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rQsYKoiFWzPs79KTY7kyUQ

[pseudo hamlet]

^about that

[jovial spear]

Looks like I wont be able to get Mythic EON at all, is it still worth grabbing 2x HC ones?

[fringe yoke]

yes

[jovial spear]

Seems like 2x EON HC Sims worse than a 304 normal dagger + EON HC in OH :/

[bleak sun]

Wich ilvl are item from dinar ?

[abstract otter]

Normal ilvl so 278/285 before you upgrade them