assassination

[grizzled jay]

Things can change.

It's "attacks". Not "physical damage".

[whole mason]

...

This is totally different.

Ambush not trigger FW is just like you're saying increase ambush dmg by 5000%

No more discussion from this point.

[grizzled jay]

No it isn't. CB working on Rupture would have altered our playstyle and damage profile in ways that Realz doesn't want.

Blindside shifting our damage profile to bleeds making up a small portion of it is not something that has been Sin's MO in a very long time, and not something I expect to last if it does that.

[whole mason]

If anything goes well with blindside and you doubt to be changed. Why we're discussing? We'd just remove it as you wish?

[oak sky]

other specs have been dot specs and had their dots do no damage

ie feral

shadow priest

[grizzled jay]

Blindside procing or not procing FW is not related to Blindside itself being good, that's on tuning of the damage profile of the spec itself. Blindside can be good if we are incredibly energy starved like we were in the beginning if SL. That is when the free energy matters most. Low haste and crit values. But SL Blindside did not shift our damage profile to our dots doing no damage.

[grizzled jay]

that's historical though.

SW:P has never been a huge damage dealer. Garrote/Rupture have always historically done a lot of damage.

[oak sky]

crazy dot damage we had here

you say always when in reality everything is subject to change

any tier set

design choice

could cause our dots to do less damage

[whole mason]

The procing FW is huge, and a significant connection between talents. and the only way most likely sin can fully use FW talent. If you think it is irrelevant, then why you emphasize at the beginning saying there's no talents support blindside?

[gusty mirage]

is what bait

[whole mason]

You can't admit its value because your mindset does not allow it, while it has been used for st in 9.1 already.

[grizzled jay]

lol

don't presume to know shit about me my guy

[oak sky]

memory of past sins ig

[gusty mirage]

why would it be bait

I'm confused

[whole mason]

You judged me first.

[oak sky]

yeah I think its literally just not

[grizzled jay]

i've said nothing about you

lmao

[whole mason]

?

Check your own chat history.

I even asked you to edit it and you ignored.

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor What would you say are the 2 lowest impact slots to our dps?

anyone know?

[oak sky]

well cloak and wrists have the smallest stat budgets

so those are likely

[grizzled jay]

wrist is where unity goes so probably cloak boots

[novel arrow]

But they have mainstat tho

[oak sky]

rings and necks have a lot of stats

[grizzled jay]

rings have a huge stat budget due to not having any main stat

[oak sky]

this is really a sim question though

[novel arrow]

do we feel rings and neck are better than wrist?

[oak sky]

it depends

for unity wrist is the best crafted slot

rn

for this spec

[grizzled jay]

but that's just because mechagon rings go brrr

[oak sky]

well

we would just do dusk ring and still unity wrist

[grizzled jay]

double ring gamer

[oak sky]

cos ring

anyways

[grizzled jay]

legion timewalking

[whole mason]

I think we have to sacrifice chest for rings.

[gusty mirage]

do you have mechagon rings? if not, toss dusk on ring & unity on wherever else you want. If you do? dusk on chest, unity on bracers or neck

[oak sky]

other specs have different stat needs and if they cant get the stats they need from any current content they might throw unity on a neck or ring

[brazen zodiac]

resist normalcy. cos ring only

[gusty mirage]

fuck the cos ring

[brazen zodiac]

let me dream

[gusty mirage]

of what

[timid cloud]

Was past sins bait & dreadfire.

[gusty mirage]

farming that stupid dungeon 50 times in the limited time?

[brazen zodiac]

yes let me dream

[timid cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

that never happened

[timid cloud]

Wait, people didn't get the ring in 2 runs?

[gusty mirage]

no both good trinkets

[oak sky]

both solid

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

"nodge"

[timid cloud]

Dread feels okay.

[oak sky]

i think hateful chain + fusion amp is better though

[brazen zodiac]

no breadman not everyone is as blessed as others

[timid cloud]

Past sins feels a little bunso

[brazen zodiac]

did u ever get it oxi

[gusty mirage]

get what

the trinket?

yea

errr

ring

[drifting cloud]

are you really gonna use fusion amp when you can choose from everything

[timid cloud]

COS ring I think.

[gusty mirage]

yea

[drifting cloud]

fuck that trinket

[gusty mirage]

yes

[oak sky]

when i simmed it it was the highest raid trinket and wasnt scars of eternal strife

[drifting cloud]

yeah its also the dumbest one

[oak sky]

it was actually even with scars

"dumbest"

its just as dumb as dfv

[gusty mirage]

buddy do I have some good news for you

[oak sky]

or any other on use

[drifting cloud]

I think you might be remembering it a little more fondly

the rng on it was silly

[oak sky]

well i never actually played with it

[drifting cloud]

im not sure how much other stuff sims less than it

but anything around 50 im not playing fusion amp for sure

[oak sky]

i only played with fcm

i got fusion amp after i already had fcm

[grizzled jay]

i miss Diver's Folly

bring that sort of stuff back

[gusty mirage]

I do appreciate dfv

[burnt latch]

Gm kings ❤️

[gusty mirage]

gm beautiful

[oak sky]

gm my love

[upbeat mirage]

FAQ says Nadia, triple potency, Fuu spreadsheet says Theotar. Is this an In-Theory vs. In-Practice, type thing?

[oak sky]

yeah its kinda like theotar umbrella is a big part of the damage, but you cant actually stand in it very frequently

[brazen zodiac]

p sure sims have it at 100% too or somethin

uptime

[oak sky]

i think its 100% of the uptime you standing in it

not literally up the whole boss

er like the sim gets maximum uptime

[brazen zodiac]

ye gotcha

[slow marsh]

I used to be a big advocate for theo but during sepulcher with tier set I found the fatal flaw line ups to be pretty nice for a lot of fights

[burnt latch]

Anyone else playing kyrian on prog?

Feel like its good for hectic moment in the mystical raid, hc u can play necro like normal

[maiden bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[dim tide]

quick question - stats on Duskwalker chest - crit&haste?

[vestal wren]

crit haste is good yes

[dim tide]

ty

[strange python]

Got a 304 veinripper, 285 edge of night outlaw rogue in my grimrail who dropped 15k compared to my sin 18k and now I want to cry

[vestal wren]

you get a 285 eon if you do lfr

[jaunty crystal]

what key

[vestal wren]

if you did 10 bosses last week

[strange python]

How

[strange python]

Grimrail

[jaunty crystal]

ye that's low af for grim

[strange python]

It's pugs so pulls are small

But out damaging an outlaw with those weps in any key makes me sad

[strange python]

How tho

[jaunty crystal]

you use the upgrade tokens or whatever

[vestal wren]

10 boss kills from last week

• 10 from this week

oh wait

you need 30

maybe he got it dropped in lfr and upgraded it after finishing heroic

[strange python]

30 for dinar. 20 for upgrade, but that would be heroic which is 296?

[vestal wren]

or.. he abused the lfr bug

[strange python]

You can't upgrade to 285 afaik

There's no normal mode upgrade currency

[vestal wren]

its normal

you are correct

[strange python]

The dinar is normal, but that's next week (unless exploit)

But you can't upgrade lfr to normal

[night delta]

how good is so'leah's compared to other passive stat-stick trinkets this season ?

[strange python]

Bad

[vestal wren]

what makes the two options:

• he got it from normal sylavans
• he did exploit a bug

[strange python]

If he got it from normal and got 304 veinripper I'd be depressed

All I know is I did sylv 3x and painsmith 4x and saw 0 daggers and 0 veinripper

[whole mason]

talent and covenant？

[strange python]

Me?

Venth and normal raid shit

[dim tide]

u can't upgrade fated LFR EoN ?

or straight to hc?

[strange python]

You can to heroic I think, no one knows

But normal doesn't drop upgrade currencies

The only way to get 285 gear is as a drop or from the dinar vendor

[dim tide]

ye, that make sense coz u don't have normal raid quest for upgrades

[strange python]

Well there's no quest for upgrades

[dim tide]

ye

[strange python]

The quest is for the vendor items. The upgrades are currencies from boss kills

[night delta]

Can the m+ cache contain gear from any fated raid, any boss ?

Or is it restricted ?

[oak sky]

it has m+ gear and tier set gear

[night delta]

Huh ? That's quite different from the usual m+ cache week

Heroic raid loot

[oak sky]

oh lmao

didnt understand what you meant

[night delta]

Oh you meant the vault

[oak sky]

yeah

yeah

gear from any fated raid any boss afaik yes

[night delta]

Alright

[oak sky]

ive heard of a gavel idk if its true

i got loot from nathria

[night delta]

Already thinking of the lucky bloke who's gonna get an EoN

[strange python]

Guildy got gavel. I got nathria gloves.

[dim tide]

i didnt skip single Sylvanas kill for whole tier and nothing, first fated LFR and bang

[vestal wren]

big gz

[uneven summit]

hmmmmmmm 304 chest or 298 dreadfire 😕

[limber lion]

Neither are really good options

If those are the only 2, I'd go for DFV

[drifting cloud]

2 sockets probably not the worst option, depends how much you farm m+ for rings I guess

[pseudo hamlet]

304 EoC, 304 random belt(crit/mast) and 304 random ring
Not counting the HC Fated raid items, because they are kinda worse. Choice is simple I guess?

[balmy condor]

eoc for sure

[limber lion]

Yes

Eoc

[wooden aurora]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[sturdy mesa]

Can u instantly upgrade it to hc/mythic btw

[vestal wren]

yes

[sturdy mesa]

Big

[vestal wren]

if you have the mythic upgrade you can go directly to mythic independent on the baseline

[sturdy mesa]

we take those

[violet jackal]

Anyone else feeling like these fated sanctum bosses have waay more health than Castle Nathria?

Also 1 min vendetta just lines up beautifully on every fight

[subtle tundra]

idk i raid thursdays

[grizzled jay]

gm sinners

[violet jackal]

Aloha

[celest ruin]

finally hit the 20k sim too bad its theotar

[uneven summit]

Dreadfire is not exactly bis right

[raw pecan]

any opinion on this wrists?

[violet jackal]

It's good

[violet jackal]

it's not good

[raw pecan]

lines up every vendetta

seems pretty solid, but sims 100 dps less than stat wrists with socket 272 ilvl

[raw pecan]

share sim pls

[celest ruin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wRidSXywPFu2GWhZcVgwuM

[raw pecan]

nice gear, congrats 😄

[celest ruin]

thanks, got lucky with a vault weapon

[raw pecan]

I was blessed with vers trinket from grimrail depot

took it for outlaw m+

[balmy condor]

vendetta doesn't buff it

just btw

[raw pecan]

but shiv does

right?

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[spice spire]

I’d be surprised if it did

[balmy condor]

it does not

[raw pecan]

[balmy condor]

external items

are not affected by spec mechanics

[spice spire]

Usually

Like 99% of the time

Rip deeper daggers

[raw pecan]

yep, just checked on dummy, same damage with and without shiv

@balmy condor should I stick to stat wrists then?

[balmy condor]

if you have high lvl stat wrists

just sim it

[raw pecan]

272 vers mastery with socket, I simmed and these 272 wrists are +41 dps better

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q5Kdd8FEup5Wuqoh4ArC2y

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

vers mastery

[violet jackal]

@brazen zodiac I see you #9 on sylvannas, mechagon ringed, double daggered out. No externals. How much time did you spend in M+ week one 👀 also your not allowed to name change this took effort to find you :p

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

it's not?

[violet jackal]

I also don't remember it being onthe recommended list

[gusty mirage]

lol

so what's "good" to you then?

[violet jackal]

Salvaged Amp, Khira, Cache | Hateful chain, Eye of command, So leah

[gusty mirage]

I don't care what a generic "recommended" list says

your first iteration of proof

the dfv is less than 1% behind your beloved cache

yet it's "not good"?

[violet jackal]

I don't like cache, but yea not god

[gusty mirage]

it is good

this is why people despise "bis" lists and recommended lists

because people look at those lists

and be like "oh well it's a C level trinket"

"toss it in the trash"

and if you think hateful chain is good, dfv is .2% behind it

wow what a terrible not good trinket

[ebon notch]

roasted

[grizzled jay]

Hateful Chain is epic

[violet jackal]

hateful chain is passive i seperated on use from passive ones since people tend to use 1and 1

[grizzled jay]

Double passive

[gusty mirage]

hateful chain is a worse version of the soulrender trinket

unlucky

[vestal wren]

i like the trinket combination graph better

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tSfGMQd5qiQVgpNu7zZMK4

[gentle gyro]

that's just so'leah's 100% of the time right?

[nimble tartan]

im taking mythic tier on god

[grizzled jay]

Memory is good if enough people are using it

[vestal wren]

because bloodmallet only uses single trinkets, when combining on-use trinkets can change the value

[gentle gyro]

shoulder would be a 30 ilvl upgrade, but I guess I can get any shoulder and upgrade it

[gusty mirage]

I mean, 30 ilvl is a lot for shoulder

that's a big jump in primary stat

[grizzled jay]

Ye gotta go with most ilvl this early tbqh

[violet jackal]

I'd be all over that so leah

[gentle gyro]

trinket sims highest

but skipping a 30 ilvl shoulder upgrade feels so bad

[nimble tartan]

how much more though

[gray crest]

You should also ask yourself how likely you are to replace that piece in the future

[violet jackal]

also depends are you a mythic raider?

[gusty mirage]

you can always nab shoulders from m+ and catalyze them later

get them to 298

feels less bad

[gentle gyro]

that's what i'm thinking

[gentle gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eFrxQswniCfHjyHwF2miYN

[gusty mirage]

vs a dungeon item you'd never see at 304 otherwise

[nimble tartan]

soleah replaced with better trinket

imo

[gusty mirage]

I agree

but this early on

[nimble tartan]

304 cata last 4ever

[gusty mirage]

it's nice to have a trinket slot secured for a while

[nimble tartan]

done with slot

[gentle gyro]

only reason I'm even asking is because I already have pretty good trinkets

[gusty mirage]

I believe in omar ascending to the 311 shoulders

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

oh god yes take the trinket

throw that grenade in the garbage

[gentle gyro]

is it really that bad?

[gusty mirage]

it aint great

[gentle gyro]

20% vers seemed pretty nuts to me

[balmy condor]

the grenade is one of the worst trinkets

[gentle gyro]

ah right, i'm in the sin channel

but alright, trinket it is

for m+ I'm usually going sub and I like the trinket there

[grizzled jay]

Grenade is so good don't take the propaganda

[gentle gyro]

i mean it only giving vers is a bit of a doozie

[gusty mirage]

[gentle gyro]

but it's nice for m+ on sub because you can pair it with every other Shuriken tornado

on use gives ~21% vers, 20% increased damage for 20 seconds can't be that bad, can it

[gusty mirage]

I can't speak for other specs, but it's dogwater for sin

people under estimate the power of primary stat

[vestal wren]

stun grenade is not good on any of the 3

[blazing chasm]

was playing outlaw for a bit last few weeks but what cov is sin rogue now? its not NF anymore?

[subtle tundra]

guys. DO NOT PLAY HIGH KEYS ON LOWER KARA. i repeat NO LOWER KARA.

[balmy condor]

Venthyr

Fae was in contention for about a week during ptr testing of 9.2 and then got stomped

[ebon notch]

Did your weekly 16 go bad

[gusty mirage]

grim rail also toxic

iron docks trash is rough as well

[vast loom]

grimrail bosses atleast melt

[night delta]

got Iris in my cache lol

[violet jackal]

Can you clarify we might have different definitions of high?

[gentle gyro]

just went through a GD, whoever voted for this dungeon needs to go to purgatory

they need to atone for their sins

that dungeon was so not designed for m+, I have to assume everyone was memeing it into existence

[brazen zodiac]

dont even mention it

i played like shit and genuinely got upset like a 2 year old cuz the outlaws were performing better

and like forgot how 2 play the entire spec mid mythic raid lul

but i did spam a metric fuck ton of m+ lol i think ive done like 100+ 2s for the rings and other bullshit, lul. valors free so

[violet jackal]

Overall there just going to do better because of adds especially since the affix was giga balls

[brazen zodiac]

mm gimme that sprinkle of cope baby

[fallow canopy]

upper khara is stupid easy this week tho

[brazen zodiac]

i just gotta log review i think i just played like shit and didnt peep timers at all

gonna throw some links at oxi and sit back as he roasts my soul

im also just trolling not swapping into gear with sockets and shit cuz im stupid https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wEW8gAk7vvD8FdDU1P9ZW2

[subtle tundra]

a 25

[violet jackal]

Got it

[spice spire]

What was the bottleneck, varas? Ngl the huntsman dot feels way worse than last week

[subtle tundra]

the trash

is completely fucking overtuned

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[subtle tundra]

yea but you can just get everyone in the group the wa

and it only gets 1 tick

every time

[spice spire]

Pug

Lol

[subtle tundra]

yea

you link it in chat

moroes is piss easy this week

opera was omega hard

like the smallies were hitting for 30k

constantly

random people

[spice spire]

Opera kinda sucked but wasn’t sure if I just didn’t know wtf to do because it’s been like 15 years or so for me

[subtle tundra]

yea unsure either if we played it correctly

but still

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t know on trash because our monkey tank only pulled 1-3 things at a time so we mistimed a piss easy 15

[subtle tundra]

trash has fucking LOADS of hp and gives no %

[spice spire]

Yeah, going in and not knowing is fucking rough, it seems like it’s easy, if just overtuned slightly

I will say

Nothing gives %

[subtle tundra]

there's a mob that has over 2mil health and was giving 0.7%

like what?

[spice spire]

You kill a pack and it’s maybe 5%

Imagine a world where dreadlords didn’t give the %

[subtle tundra]

yea those give the most hp

i guess the mobs after the opera are the only good ones

but if you die/wipe

you lose 3 min

[spice spire]

Yeah, tank decided to skip all of that trash

[subtle tundra]

well we tried it, had a ninja and on a 25 its not easy to deal with

[spice spire]

Death slip back to the beginning and just used the skip

It wasn’t a great route tho, would never recommend doing that

[brazen zodiac]

25 pog

[subtle tundra]

thats only good on tyra i guess

[brazen zodiac]

hey varas do u stream ur keys?

[subtle tundra]

cause you can pull loads

yea i was streaming

honestly, for high keys assa might be really good

[brazen zodiac]

whats ur stream? id like 2 watch!

[subtle tundra]

cause it can basically break the maiden shield by itself

twitch.tv/varras

[spice spire]

Yeah, if you’re pulling a shit ton, route can be pretty Deece, but man was pulling singular pats at a time

[brazen zodiac]

ty

[spice spire]

Legit 13k dungeon because I was hitting 1 thing 90% of the time

[brazen zodiac]

r u playing sin or outlaw in ur keys?

[marble hemlock]

What route are people playing in lower nowadays

[spice spire]

Flashlights felt OMEGAbroken even on a low level

[subtle tundra]

outlaw rn until i learn the dungeons more

[marble hemlock]

Are you playing the side room trash at moroes?

That one is good count

And the stuff after attumen, up the stairs

[subtle tundra]

yea cant say we had a good route

[ebon notch]

we noticed what could be a bug where the flashlights seem to double hit?

so if we had 2 for example people would randomly get oneshot

[marble hemlock]

That's normal

[subtle tundra]

you line them

[marble hemlock]

Was like that in original Kara as well

[ebon notch]

what that they double hit?

[subtle tundra]

pull to a corner

if youre facing them you take more dmg

[marble hemlock]

Are you turning around?

[ebon notch]

yes

like you'll take 2 flashlights and itll do an ok amount of damage

[marble hemlock]

They double hit if you don't turn properly. But in any case, even if you don't turn, they hurt like a mother fucker

[spice spire]

Yeah I definitely got hit to 17% then from 90-0 on a fucking 15. You didn’t happen to log did you?

[ebon notch]

maybe raider io auto log

i check

[marble hemlock]

So you wanna line them, and never play more than 2-3

[spice spire]

Because I didn’t and now I’m going to have to

Yeah it’s a two pull. The only thing I agree low pulling.

Did a 6 pull last week because tank hadn’t done before

That was a good time

[marble hemlock]

dunno what people play atm

[subtle tundra]

also feels like a sub dungeon depending on route

[bleak sun]

Rip mechagon ring socket but its the healing one

[marble hemlock]

lower routing is definitely a bit odd, but i think people should just copy what we used to do in legion. meaning opera > jump down after patrons/ushers to moroes, do moroes, do sideroom there, go down to attumen, do one massive pull after attumen from the mobs after him/up the stairs, get full count, then go through basement to maiden, skip all the trash leading up to maiden

[restive raptor]

assa gud in dregonflight? pliz sai

[marble hemlock]

all the apprentices/journeymans/sentries are 4count each, and you can mass pull them. as long as tank doesnt stand in the shieldbash frontal youre good

can also pull a bunch of spiders in basement

[gusty mirage]

[dire spoke]

xd

[brazen zodiac]

[haughty lily]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[restive raptor]

thenk u, gret communiti

[timber socket]

is the choker from kara bis for assa?

[timid cloud]

Shouldn’t be, should still be KT / Streets / Jailer necks

But gotta sim yo self

[limber lion]

It's the Jailer neck

[timid cloud]

Oh ya, forgot about that thing.

It hasn't dropped so it doesn't exist for me.

[foggy socket]

this any good?

[balmy condor]

yep

that's a solid trinket

[foggy socket]

cool cool. got it from the weekly, see no mention of it anywhere lol

[amber fossil]

I found some odd behavior when trying to verify what stat sims are using for Titanic Ocular Gland since my haste and crit are very close. I didnt see any info in sim reports, but when I use the equipment mgr to swap from a sin-single target to a sin-M+ setup, I get weird results for stat values. I open equip mgr and swap to a gear setup and note what the crit/haste values are (1017/870). I unequip the TOG, put it in a bag and note the stat values (862/870). I equip the TOGT again and note stat values (862/1025).

Sorry for the wall of text, but it seems you can very easily proc the wrong stat.

I'm wondering if this trink isn't worth the risk, even though it sims highest

[spice spire]

This is a weird question

But what soulbind did you have at the time

[amber fossil]

Marileth

the Full HTML Report of a quick sim shows the crit proc was used, but my char stats page shows highest stat is haste.

[warm parcel]

its a setting

o titanic

hmm

just post the report

[pure mauve]

Hi can some1 share me a aura of bloodstainedhandkerchief trinket?

[vast loom]

Does shroud give other players a differnt version of stealth
?

I find sometimes I get noticed but my party doesnt

[marble hemlock]

its a bit weird how it works, yeah. theres a few shroudskips where i usually shadowstep or grapple to get past mobs that the group has no issues with

i.e. sanguine is one of those, the pack after 3rd boss before the gauntlet

[vast loom]

For me its the gambit big bros

Before 1st boss lol

[violet jackal]

you can distract that pack and walk stealth normally

[limber lion]

Yeah your group walking past them alerts them, and you running past last triggers them

[violet jackal]

you want to be stacked tight together and walk down the center then it will just alert as you all walk past

[warm parcel]

your party runs past you

triggers stealth "detect"

you run after

get caught

walk to any mob in stealth

see them turn to you

[violet jackal]

I think those words accuratly describe the question but that was rough to digest

[hot chasm]

I thought Blizz said they increased the drop chance on sylvanas dagger

[strange python]

They probably upped it by like 2% lol

[hot chasm]

10+ rogues on normal, no drops, 5 on LFR no drops

3 on heroic, no drop

[strange python]

Same. Almost exact same numbers

[balmy condor]

Yeah, increased

Now drops 1 every 50 instead of 1 every 51

[vast loom]

Yeah its hard to tell how often it will drop considering the rogues themselves need to loot it and then roll the dagger compared to like a group loot scenario

[cursive orchid]

i got 2 boots on 0 daggers 😦

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ

Didn’t you have like 7 mythic daggers?

[balmy condor]

Scarizard rigged my vaults

He said gratz with a smiley for the first 3

And after that it was nothing but “wtf” and “stop”

[spice spire]

🙂

[gusty mirage]

in case anyone's wondering

you can get edge of night from the weekly

my RL just looted it

[strange python]

I hate your RL.

[nimble tartan]

i would never let anotha man lead me

[gusty mirage]

thats why you're you and I'm me

I'm a bitch

[subtle tundra]

tomorrow is my day

i drop em all

(my hopes and dreams)

[spice spire]

God bless

[worldly root]

So I'm finally giving Cevs profile a go, but it doesnt look like the thumbnail on the wago page?

[dawn kelp]

trying to get good at assa, could i get some tips from the more experienced? Thanks in advance a ton! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qrp7YVXGd1KBbjF4#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=9 🙂

[bleak sky]

late snd; you're using your cds wrong

flag -> finish -> mfd -> finish -> vendetta

[nimble tartan]

interesting spot for vendetta

[subtle tundra]

dang using envenom so many times

must be a powerful spell

[brazen zodiac]

sod all over again

[oak sky]

envenom wasnt powerful in sod

frost shards were powerful

[brazen zodiac]

oh yeah i just remember the 3 envenoms in the opener xd

good thing they disabled the shards this season lul

[timid cloud]

Frost Shard abuser with #1 healing parses.

Let the Shard do the work.

[grizzled jay]

dungeon slice APL sim has you mutilate out of stealth, snd, and then re-stealth lol

not vanish, just a re-stealth

(i'm Zandalari not Night Elf)

[smoky sentinel]

Bloodstained Handkerchief

what's this blasphemy ?

Like I wonder if Necro lord spike and Bloodstained Handkerchief and bleed legendary (doomblade) can work together O_O

anyone know if that bleed counts for doomblade?

[oak sky]

bloodstained handkerchief doesn't interact with spec mechanics unfortunately

[smoky sentinel]

neither the legendary ?

for sure ?

[oak sky]

yes

[smoky sentinel]

sadge - could've been interesting T_T

[foggy socket]

lets gooo

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[foggy socket]

no loot on any other boss all of normal lol

i was like...this mean i get the dagger right?

boom does the dynamite

[smoky sentinel]

woah dagger fairy loves you

[foggy socket]

see its funny you say that, cause i got the heroic dagger from box in SoD the first week we killed it

[smoky sentinel]

-_-

you begone and let the simple people be ignorant of your luck

j/k its just a very painful matter to the unlucky ones
so grats mate

at least we can buy it this xpac

[foggy socket]

yeah true true

it's ok in destiny it took me 53 runs of a raid to get the legendary lol. rng is a fickle mistress.

all cancels out

[weak plover]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[pure skiff]

What’s the 2 best mecha rings? The haste on and the one from behind?

One*

[vast loom]

yes

[lilac haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[pure skiff]

I finally got the haste one earlier just need the behind one

[oak sky]

@drifting cloud i got heroic decanter

[balmy condor]

Theotar and 3 usually

[bleak sky]

#assassination-faq

[brazen zodiac]

minal 👋

[bleak sky]

...yes?

[viscid spear]

I think you're looking at Raids and M+

[viscid spear]

I saw that

[brazen zodiac]

👀

[peak bobcat]

@bleak sky miss you

[bleak sky]

[grizzled jay]

minalba will be back

they always come back

[peak bobcat]

He left me perma

[gusty mirage]

stop trying to steal my brazilian

[peak bobcat]

Sanctum doesn’t hit the same without frost shards and Dashing

[spice spire]

@bleak sky I miss u[s]

[deft vault]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959067757046030357/1007145480603586590/unknown.png

is this a tooltip error or does it actually sim the ring as giving only 64 haste?

[gusty mirage]

tooltip thing on raidbots/wowhead

it's fine in game

[strange python]

Sin on painsmith feels so bad

Second vend coming up right as intermission hits.

[oak sky]

play nf korayn

[strange python]

Hmmm.

[kind talon]

play outlaw *

💀

[strange python]

No veinripper no edge no outlaw

[oak sky]

you get like 2/3 active uptime on first strike or something

[strange python]

I have 2x 304 daggers

[oak sky]

and you get big uptime on the other korayn shit too

and you can just send vendettas then spam fok in intermission

you get a sepsis vendetta at the start of every phase

and if your push time is slow you get 2 vendettas per phase

[strange python]

Well it's dead

But next time that's the plan

Although next time I'll be outlaw

[oak sky]

yeah

[strange python]

Gonna save my dinar token next week till next sanctum rotation

And do a lfr/normal/heroic run to see which wep to buy

[oak sky]

hmmm yeah

[strange python]

If you wanna play outlaw and buy edge or vein next week, then get the other as a drop two weeks later, would feel real bad

And sin is p strong on most of the nathria fights, anyway.

[oak sky]

but yeah

i was gonna let my log have the tech

but we didnt kill tonight

so i guess someone who sees this convo will get all the glory

[strange python]

Rip

Doubt we'll get sylv this week

I assume we'll get stuck on KT once guardian dies

[oak sky]

tbh its possible that someone will just do better with venth overall compared to nf

but you need perfect timings

so eh

[strange python]

I mean I dropped about 16.5k as Venth

But we also were struggling to meet the DPS check since the affix is useless

[oak sky]

yeah its mostly a timing thing

[kind talon]

i mean

[oak sky]

and im not 100% convinced that nf will do more damage

[kind talon]

dps check isnt that real on painsmith

its jus

stay alive check

[oak sky]

because you dont get haste during vendetta

[kind talon]

i mean you can get 2 flags 2 vendettas per phase

on venthyr

depending

[strange python]

Have you killed mythic PS this patch?

[kind talon]

just progged it

[oak sky]

we were reprogging tonight

ye

[strange python]

I mean we beat the damage timer by maybe 10 seconds

[kind talon]

havent killed cause ppl are not very pog

[kind talon]

execute phase?

[strange python]

And we have pumpers.

[kind talon]

like p3?

[strange python]

Yes.

Like when the chains come out the middle

[oak sky]

idk it looked pretty killable

[strange python]

Spikes

[kind talon]

it was very killable

[oak sky]

we had like half our raid dead and we were under 20%

[strange python]

It's definitely killable, but it's tight and your p3 needs to be clean

I mean we did kill it

But it's definitely not a matter of there being no dmg check

[kind talon]

how many dks

do u have

[oak sky]

theres no way its tight

[strange python]

0? 1? I forget

[kind talon]

theres no way its tight

[strange python]

K

[kind talon]

did u save lust and have everyone alive

[oak sky]

our deepest pull was 16% with most of the raid dead

[strange python]

We had 2 dead but one was a healer and one was in p3

[oak sky]

whens the hard enrage

[kind talon]

boss dam wasnt an issue but there was some issue with ball dam

[oak sky]

like

[strange python]

~7:15

[oak sky]

yeah we wiped at like 6:20 with most of our raid dead and we were like 16%

[kindred rapids]

we killed at 6:26

helps to get good mote stacks

[grim tangle]

we just 3 healed it

[limber lion]

It definitely should. Do you have any screenshots of it in-game?

A reload more often than not will do the trick.

[ebon notch]

@kind talon @oak sky painsmith is kinda tight

[oak sky]

idk it seemed pretty doable with everyone alive

we had like 6 dead

[ebon notch]

It was very noticeable who progged it and who didn't

I also did an absurd amount of damage on that fight

[oak sky]

believable

@ebon notch are you guys public logging or nah

hmm 19k

dekai was gonna be r1

shame on you

[pseudo hamlet]

Different kind of question:
Is there any reason to track Elaborate planning and/or Envenom?
There was a time I was trying to have EP uptime as high as possible, but it doesn't seem that important right now

[limber lion]

No

[ebon notch]

he was on 17.8 no?

[kind talon]

21

Probably

If we could have killed it that pulls

[gusty mirage]

Tell your guild to stop eating spikes

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

Once my guild learned to stop treating spikes like an open buffet the boss fell over

Also you’re going to want someone padding on the motes

Our warrior swapped kyrian fury and we started getting solid stacks on the motes and cleared the dps check easily

I think this new way to raid is pretty good. Not sitting on the same boss for weeks is pog

May not full clear, but at least it’s not wiping to the same boss for 2-3 weeks lol

[oak sky]

if i held my vendetta for the 4th sepsis

[kind talon]

You would’ve done 16 maybe

[oak sky]

nahhh

but like

slightly over 14

15

[ebon notch]

were you playing assa or outlaw

when you did it

[gusty mirage]

Assassination

[ebon notch]

assa's damage for motes aint that great its true

i saw people were running dancing steel instead of BR and i thought they were just padding

but when i swapped the motes actually started melting

was kinda nutty

[worldly root]

I’ll grab one for you later, tried reinstalling/reloading and nothing. Bars are way thicker and much darker.

[limber lion]

Another issue could be that you haven't disabled Elvui Nameplates, or whatever else nameplate addons you might have.

You have to have every other nameplate feature disabled and only Plater enabled.

[worldly root]

Yeah those are 100% off, I’ve used naowhs plater forever, just trying yours out based off a reccomendation

[limber lion]

Fair enough.

[wintry kestrel]

Hello guys, i know that venthyr is the go to option usualy, but can nfae be viable either with dashin scoundrel , or the good old duswalker?

[limber lion]

No, you play Duskwalkers with every single covenant in any content.

[wintry kestrel]

okay, thanks

[strange python]

Lords

[tropic ocean]

its like blizz heard the padders, now its actually beneficial to raid aoe padding the shit out of motes, frost dk started holding breath for motes and we 40 stack zoom

[grizzled jay]

gm sinners

[subtle tundra]

its very much 9 pm almost

[timid cloud]

Straight up 1pm in Texas too…

[subtle tundra]

tonight is the night

surely

im getting veinripper and eon

[timid cloud]

I tried, my pal….I give you my power.

[brazen zodiac]

praying 🙏

[gusty mirage]

Idk who Shirley is but I hope you get both

[subtle tundra]

bad start, 3 people soak chain on the eye and i fall down

i remember why i hated this boss

[brazen zodiac]

it wont matter once u get eon

[wild lion]

Wait is my math right? EON is 4k for every CP. With 4 Stacks its 16k for every CP. So 2 dagger is 32k. 5 Cp finisher will be 190k and a crits is 380k?!

[subtle tundra]

reason why everyone wants it

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[woeful meteor]

How does the Second Part of KT Trinket work? Is it a line between Target and Player where it hits Targets with debuff?

[heady rain]

How does cold blood work with bleeds in the dragonflight calculator? Does it snapshot on the bleed so all the ticks crit or does it just make the first tick crit?

[grizzled jay]

We don't know

Doesn't work on bleeds at all in alpha currently

But Realz mentioned maybe letting it

[heady rain]

Ahh okay I noticed it mentioned in the pinned comments so I was curious if anyone knew yet. Thanks!

[subtle tundra]

i got 1 taste of PI

[frosty bridge]

@limber lion watching you progress guardian atm to learn the fight

🤣

[subtle tundra]

i want MORE PI

[spice spire]

Oh god

[chrome peak]

Hey guys, where do you get your current conduit builds?

[grizzled jay]

My brain

[spice spire]

We just sim for what’s best, but there’s also info in #assassination-faq for it 🙂

[chrome peak]

Alright, thanks - I'll take a look again in case I missed something

[grizzled jay]

Use what your heart tells you is right

[spice spire]

Yeah no problem, I’ll screenshot in case too, it’s a lot to read!

Honestly not much has changed, since we don’t use DB anymore (we haven’t for a while outside of fringe NL play in SoD) MM is a pretty dead conduit

[limber lion]

Guardian?

We're on Sylv for the third hour

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, you guys 3 healed holy

[subtle tundra]

i want more PIs give me more PI i want PI please mmmm feels good the damage mmm bigggg mmmmmmmm

[timid cloud]

Uh-oh we’re losing him…

[limber lion]

Don't think so

We had 5 healers on Guardian and currently 4 on Sylv

Or do you mean like previous prog from a long long time ago

as in a year ago?

:p

[grizzled jay]

Can't wait for Sin to be best PI user with Exsang in DF

🤑

[frosty bridge]

No I mean yesterday :p

you literally 3 healed unless details is bugged

I watched Viklunds vod

[vast loom]

@whispyr said that they should work with bleeds

[grizzled jay]

Should cause Realz mentioned it.

Not a hard confirmation tho afaik

[chrome peak]

I am a dumdum and can't find where you can compare conduits on simbot

[limber lion]

Yeh we definitely 5 healed

[frosty bridge]

Ah fair, then details was bugged unless you changed later on

[grizzled jay]

You cannot ouright need to add the code yourself

[chrome peak]

[vast loom]

??? Its part of top gear you just select all the conduits you want to compare???

[grizzled jay]

Oh is it lol

My b

I've been using custom lol

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s been in top gear like since 9.0.5

You can even go max level or whatever level if you don’t have it

[grizzled jay]

[balmy condor]

Bruh

Custom comparing conduits

Tmb living in shadowlands beta

[grizzled jay]

Don't bully me man

[subtle tundra]

i've dropped 2 items from mythic so far.

both fingers.

[balmy condor]

Sub m+ type vibes

[fleet anchor]

I'm 1 drop in 11 kills, and nothing usable from Heroic either week. Luckily that one drop was a Fusion Amp instead of a Guardian cloak so I wouldn't have to delete my character in protest

[hardy prairie]

literally same drop situation for me

except i’ve killed 14

[fleet anchor]

Loot system in WoW is very not good

[hardy prairie]

[fleet anchor]

Coins were the only silver lining in the dark cloud that is personal loot. And they were removed because someone dramatically under-estimated how long it takes to get BiS gear in raid. 😄

[oak sky]

I don't think I've gotten a mythic drop yet

[limber lion]

I killed Sylv and didn't get EON omfg blozzzzzzord prom8sed ne highre drop reits?????? Wtffffff

[fleet anchor]

I'm at 37 kills of Sylv without ever seeing a dagger drop. And most of those kills had 2-5 Rogues in them.

😄

I'm lucky my GV was kind

Item doesn't actually exist in real life

[limber lion]

Well soon we can buy the normal version

So

Yay?

[fleet anchor]

Yay

[grizzled jay]

I have Hateful Chain only so far lol

[limber lion]

I'm only getting the mythic version during second CN week

I think

[grizzled jay]

Meanwhile our 4 warlocks have gotten loot off every boss.

Truly hero class

[fleet anchor]

I'm not even kidding I saw the Fusion Amp and instead of thinking "WOW AWESOME" I was like "thank fucking god it wasn't a cloak so I could stop wallowing in being 10 ilevels below everyone in raid and simming 1.5k less than everyone in #outlaw"

I hate the loot system in WoW right now with a passion lol

[limber lion]

Yeh it's a bit rough

[fleet anchor]

I got a Skolex cloak in my weekly quest though.

[limber lion]

I'm still missing an off-hand sadge

I got Skolex wrists

[fleet anchor]

The 5 Skolex cloak I've looted in the last 2 months.

Thanks

[grizzled jay]

I have a 252 OH lmaooo

[limber lion]

Completely useless

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[fleet anchor]

I really need more of them

[limber lion]

Yeh

[grizzled jay]

Can someone spare an OH

[limber lion]

I wanted Skolex wrists in Sepulchet

[fleet anchor]

I'm the guild supplier of Skolex cloaks

[limber lion]

And never got em

But at least I have them now

:---)

In my bag

:--)

Also got mythic Veinripper

In my bag

:--)

Instead of an actual usable weapon

:D

[brazen zodiac]

soon

maybe next xpac

[fleet anchor]

Also

Big pog

Very good system

👌

3 of which were non-tradable to people who didn't even want them lol

[strange python]

@oak sky wait I forgot to ask. Why korayn on ps

Isn't that just high and low health?

[oak sky]

The affix

First strike

Also balls

[strange python]

Mmmm

[oak sky]

Again, im not positive its better its just something I'm trying

[strange python]

Our ww smacked motes

And ret

[oak sky]

You literally need to hit 1 mote to get the buff

[strange python]

Hunters murder balls

[oak sky]

First strike procs 1 time

You just need to hit new mobs

[strange python]

Wait it isn't only on the target that's high??

[steel ridge]

The odds for that must be like 1:30k or the system is rigged😂

[oak sky]

First strike is 25% crit the first time you hit any mob

The high/low thing is wild hunt tactics

You get good uptime on that too from balls though

The main idea for night fae was just better timings than venthyr

[strange python]

Shows how well I can read

That's why I'm curious about niya

[oak sky]

I went korayn because its hard to stand still in flowers

Yeah niya might be good too

[strange python]

Yeah 0 chance for flowers

[oak sky]

Korayn just interacts well with the affix and the fight

[strange python]

Well. Affixes rotate so rip

[oak sky]

Yep

Its my one week wonder

[strange python]

Tragic

[oak sky]

Maybe niya in 3w

[fleet anchor]

Was Hunter, 2x Druid, Priest, Shaman. So 3, 4, 4, 5 on loot table size. So about 0.1%

[steel ridge]

Dont you have to factor in every possible item? Like idk 8x8x8x8x8?

Or whatever the entire lootpool is

[gusty mirage]

sure

[strange python]

What kinda dmg were you pulling as korayn?

[oak sky]

uhhh like 15k ish

[strange python]

Public logs?

[oak sky]

my gear is very behind and i didnt hold cds for motes or anything

we didnt kill yet

[strange python]

I'm struggling to figure out if holding for affix is worth it, and on which bosses

[oak sky]

ye

[strange python]

It feels.so bad to sit on vend

[oak sky]

yeah

i was honestly debating if dusk was even worth on painsmith

but it for sure is

[strange python]

I barely got second vend off each phase

But spamming fok brought it up after intermission anyways

[oak sky]

i barely got it in p1

but p2 and p3 i got it easily

[vast loom]

So uh, does the haste Affix snapshot?

is there potential minmax there, prob not a huge deal but could be neat

[balmy condor]

wdym does it snapshot

it just adds haste

[vast loom]

increasing the flow of time by 15%, increasing casting, attack speed, cooldown recharge rate, and periodic tick rates

is that haste?

i thought it was seperate

[marble hemlock]

No, it's not haste

It's just speeds everything up while the buff is active. Once the buff falls off, everything is normal speed again

[vast loom]

okay so no dot snapshotting

[marble hemlock]

Unless there's some really weird shit going on that's not supposed to be happening? No.

[balmy condor]

oh

[fallen fable]

Anyone have pandemic weakaura (with tier set config)? i lost disc link

[fleet shale]

Does bloodstained handkerchief get affected by vend?

[ebon notch]

no

[strange python]

The speed affix fucks up flag super hard

[oak sky]

@strange python well we have no warrior today apparently so i will not be doing good damage

[strange python]

Tragic

[strange python]

I still can't decide which affixes are worth holding CDs for

Like I didn't on guardian but it feels early enough to be worth? But also the speed buff doesn't feel thaaaaat huge?

[strange python]

Motes maybe only one?

[strange python]

Man I'm so excited for dragonflight assassination rogue

it looks so fun

make poison bomb proc off of any damaging finisher and I'd be happy

[grizzled jay]

reason it doesn't is because of Carnage. At least, that is the assumption.

[loud brook]

no sylvanas daggers for me

Pain

is this weakaura still up to date? https://wago.io/4yuHkHeub

[timid cloud]

I’m free…

[brazen zodiac]

and with a socket, pog

congrats

once i get eye of command im headin back over at a chance for sockets lol

seems to common in the older dungeons

[timid cloud]

I got gigga lucky on my set this time.

[brazen zodiac]

epic

im gettin stupid unlucky lol, 80+ runs of upper

[timid cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

every rogue i que with seems to get it tho

i be blessin the rogues ig sigh

[cold patio]

2 Runs Upper for eye 🙈

[brazen zodiac]

ok but who asked

the salt is real ugh

[timid cloud]

Don’t check how many dungeons I did for my set.

[brazen zodiac]

combined or individual

[timid cloud]

Both

[zinc frost]

I used up all of my rng for the season, one ring in vault and managed to get second one in 3 tries

[strange python]

Got crit haste belt with speed and a socket today lmao

[brazen zodiac]

yeah, kinda wild

[outer lodge]

I think I'm somewhere around ~20 junkyards now w/o the ring drop

[limber lion]

Keep at it

Took me 70 runs to get the Court of Stars ring :-)

but instead of 2 weeks you've got 4 months

Do 5 runs a week and you'll get it soon enough

[outer lodge]

Yeah that's true, thx Cev. Then soon as i get it... ill just have to grind the workshop ring too lol

[limber lion]

All good brother

just take it easy

there's no rush

[subtle tundra]

b

[spice spire]

A

[violet jackal]

LFR edge of night is DPS decrease for me

[subtle tundra]

you can upgrade items buddy

[violet jackal]

for some reason I thought it was only normal and heroic that could be upgraded

[limber lion]

Any Fated items

[violet jackal]

Guess I got to put LFR on the to do list for today :FeelsRopeMan:

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

ok today is my day

[violet jackal]

nice

[spice spire]

Holy shit

Gaming

[gusty mirage]

Go back in time and wait to kill painsmith today

[subtle tundra]

😭

i can still kill normal and lfr painsmith

[thorn fjord]

I pulled a bit band out of box this week 🙂

ran 5 JY's last night an no set ring tho =/

[gusty mirage]

I believe

I’m on team varas this tier, I need to see our boy win

[gusty mirage]

I needed 24 runs last week to get mine, may the rng gods bless you faster than they blessed me

It didn’t even drop for me it dropped for one of our healers and he gave it to me

[thorn fjord]

Had so really good pulls on mythic last night and died on each kill pull too lol... Been a rough week

The bit Band tho?

[gusty mirage]

Ngl my workshop rng has been god tier

I ran 8 workshops got the overclocking and shorting

[thorn fjord]

I hate workshop and will avoid it as much as i can

[gusty mirage]

I don’t mind workshop because if you get into a group that knows the dungeon it’s super quick

[thorn fjord]

People love wiping on the stupid dog

[subtle tundra]

i love workshop cause the gauntlet is a quick piss break

[gusty mirage]

While someone fucks it up for 5 minutes

[subtle tundra]

yep

man so many people got alpha

and i dont have 😦

i wanna get that assa df dungeon experience

[vestal wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992153491709628558/1007380275103273062/2022-08-11_22-07-10.mp4

^ don't worry you don't miss out (sry for laggy video)

[subtle tundra]

the problem is you are a clicker

[vestal wren]

it was just to test something, so i didn't set up the bars correctly

but the key point is the amount of lua errors

[subtle tundra]

i just want to... just have fun

[vestal wren]

most things don't work on alpha atm

so ofc there is new things to explore, but i think it would be more fun to do so when things are a bit more stable

also you will do the zones/etc for a long time next xpac

[subtle tundra]

i dont plan on playing the zones

[vestal wren]

i mean, the current patch offers 6 new dungeons and 3 raids with a new spin

[subtle tundra]

yea but its the same boring class

specs

[vestal wren]

oh, you want to try out evoker?

[subtle tundra]

assssssssa

evoker is cringe range

[vestal wren]

well thats what i tried to get at, most of the new things don't work

[burnt latch]

???????

Have u not read the lore

U must do campaign

[subtle tundra]

SHUT UPPPPPPPPP

YOU CANT MAKE ME.