assassination

[balmy condor]

so the easier solution is to just lock them in, cut in half, and then call it a day

the issue with that is no normal player will ever understand what the fuck is going on

[languid plinth]

makes sense but they could explain it better at least

[balmy condor]

and they have to eventually find their way to me

[languid plinth]

i appreciate it 🙂

[balmy condor]

either with wowhead guide or faq or a channel like this

and I need to explain it for the 900th time

because blizzard can't just make it intuitive

and I don't mind explaining it over and over

I just wish I didn't have to

it's even worse when I consider that even with all the places where I've tried to explain it, I know it's probably not even reaching 10% of the rogues

[languid plinth]

yeah i shouldve searched on discord first but after reading faq and the wowhead i still didnt fully understand it

[balmy condor]

yeah it's honestly awful

It's been a problem for like 3 years now starting with BFA

and still have no clue how I'm supposed to explain it in a way that's both short enough to not bore people, and long enough to still have all the info and answer questions

and it just ends up not being possible

[languid plinth]

well the faq works in telling people what to do perfectly but udnerstanding why is another problem

[balmy condor]

yeh

a lot of the time the why is just "it's better trust me"

[languid plinth]

hahaha for sure. well thanks again, necro is just a bit boring and night fae got nerfed so hoping to make it work

[balmy condor]

yeh good luck

[wanton path]

any way to show the actual 6 second cd on garrote when used out of stealth? had a little timer above it on my old weak aura cant figure it out again for this one XD

[limber lion]

Oh ya, I should have that in the pack as well, good shout.

Here's what I use for my Garrote CD:
!WA:2!1zvZVXrsv8DsZQDXGwfpztu2KvGJH4qCqoj2jgrelrt7m(l54XQNXX7EaMU6URz6kUNQQTQQh7jNcJwK85HdKvbcOriK4dHcdCHlCWNjqLbe)byXneCWkxbXRQUh71sK(Wm17vVVQ69E)EvHfl2QyuXO9MUpjKrRYsfH43)ne7wPrdjw9NoLOt2Qcdq0WyMydgHQcwO861k7nmKXsIy7qRUdHJ95NomvQyTQH3vTjpcPWbP2)2FKCLJAIJDnoYVRsqA2elKRpLiF5ExYtjqHB7IsvSzf4wfVvpuQarrTWYlm734gZnSfsfgJLvJz7uH2xc)vkzhuh5GujUUHSzyuCpjhNKSoO1RU2HMnIGaPrJfsqsz8bY0aCBmvvfyr2Dq9fkvTw9Q1k5vZZYN)ElKhTtSHG1uGLYj(Avnw8QheYAfqO47Nffw)VgBhSu1Z4gBW7FaSCjblLxpKLsvX2qJqBdhvS)WMykwqcZoa6ZCu0SHadrJx1nkV2A9tPev5DjsL03QTccifHh3p7GuRdhlwUK39xCZ1CvaHN9a31iQrvFrk1Au974LD3DG(hOF(lF8lFS(p(YU6NlGdxfAshFxJ4bkKOjwXh3O)jIp)HcmkP6OBtXsiHGPWdTx2J4631UCLi5fE116BIVrhUbqkSceQiftm53(deGAwfgKvMupMeH9uKw4OUrqAwry0I3ShCNLvomLEc9z0N9T)YpCqer(WuAOI0gplI2HpoYUUwMG3NfHDoeklXckk5bWfnyPTpCBmMxcITqLNX2(9K4Kg2Yx9BEGurc3UZ9YDBSODMw1E7(qgXd3ewlx9C6RmeidG0AtiJsJApmGjIWI6mBpHZGCsj5ryN(kOUhs6jmXy7NVHLA1cfk4CqoN2ejjibhpsvm0sWhV6hNIe4jwmnjzITIjkS(k9mE2kZFFyZe2olkWFCkMg2zJp3nMz2BRVIaeWSXaZpFyExAxdHPazyqQsXOvGdwcQtFd71W0MQ4ZAL)JYLVNHybBu6aF7BkEhXj2Uz1quc2Xgc1IHlnk0q44AiZ2FnOHqoU1bU2WnEVlY)s27c7pnycORToVUjtNtvO3r7p5L5837)J0zl0FZdSSpk15wAZAv4NXY0ataYqc3IePIDlbKhMzeYU4ilZV3WmuRrh39T7)qO(J0OJ(n7dLZa(KbWYD9kRxMpXRlUBXIQd1kai3vFDIe1bA2iH1vXaMrmaHuGFPxNSCboKyk4CYYJgr4fZov2aopFEg9YR6S8D)3Fx73Y39F9FmF)xNE52KQ6xExUbJcqb5F1xN7sWnrHDQ3iHXe(NWp5xmFHSlM8It)HwQDG05wceV7w5lgEKxTqqv2S2ARaxAN(ZypBs6GvwF9YE1RvzdVvwA5A5ciJrrJQ1mDe5Xrg7rjOJDrvON6IdpXTrHtOYiMbXysZy1sUjmu0EfTOtCSkaPuqFMfz2ahkI9cntaMkqsOntWEEvwAZYETsbO1XSsz323fqXXNt)jJ1nhMl0310FByjuqVavn7u6Uxw)jt77hKXiJE(l7Fj)VcinOdWXbuOFebMYec(OJr)doc5CBkGb7lEeJIbKZtjAyq0yuRtGWZm)WSUhVnpZfgQ(hR6RUMRGLKfNJMUg3xybUmjh9y9HPSreJrL3zkpyEv42ZR)IF93OBBKGGGS8Kv8cSSLtdB4OFc)SeQ0mvmKao0dlTpgq61gLKIDYKPpJoA8O(PoIWyeTjwo9u6N63LlyqvHQdmMsIugOvmWF1LV7)4DTFlF3)5fTFof0pZZcnoL(hAdk9tGOr)PRceVpq0LqnJAH()NwiNf)0q(eaInrE2aRJ3Rxms(z5bXP(hbHN(hFHZPFMbrFM5MXaqDS7MT063t)PtVii8Km(KFRpq)0zVXm3w)KdW7YjztfQbToN0AMJP(z6FMilBjN3Z4xvJdngVEdbmDRUzG8Wf9kD)YvlVw5fQvXZc4wptfxZBgerS6hdGA1q71)yBWhFlmA7sWnO8o5ZC7cQinJGIdAqOez8d0)s9Vs)RDndr1)My9Z1)w9a4TvWa9XgciJqxtfUnihB2us0Gs3g)i(g0pIF1YEOeEmY5WSERfnE0uYeuDbVYLxNxekshLJHrREguVajUf0c5n3m3AM5DFeJ1AdNBmZC63XVVIfMp888f8)otsI6NhY1x4E83DuTPbI9EePj7f5pWEkRcVxsH(8E7yaQxs)tndGkeavTninnnbzVys)tINnvKWNiwP4Y7C9RVdQjBgc76LAGPirDpwZu81V5CZzEKahg1TcyHZFQIF)beAgiOPTIFEstktGZVskBEDuzikfs)EikjtQ51)IhOVIlf6j7Irs7LI(f7BwcXQD45BnC0lvSznianDzYademw52afHDBHi09gpWwF75einZp31jJUu()lb4(6xO)Z6xKTFhh9FOqgiKDYBXof6zxztmzVxQ4UfcYMxLV3IWtIoL(V8wAT(LzM11r)7(5JSSHTXQ2ST9S871d1)v9DkEtqPH5VyLktalMbtALmUO07wZapXOy7)2h()c

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

that'll just add a cooldown tracker inside of the garrote weak aura.

[oak sky]

I see myself in this

[ebon notch]

wdym its literally you

[bleak sky]

it's me after every new dungeon

and during

"new" as in new to me

[oak sky]

Ive done 2 iron docks and 1 gambit so far

[bleak sky]

iron docks arrows + first boss kinda fucked me

big dog ended my life

[oak sky]

I think its slightly buggy

Or you need to run to narnia

[sour wraith]

wolf charge

[wanton path]

hell ye cheers

[oak sky]

@bleak sky i dont totally hate iron docks though

[bleak sky]

fine dungeon tbh

thought all the old dungeons would be shit

[ebon notch]

we did iron docks and the other wod one

and never again

holy shit theyre so garbanzo

[oak sky]

Grimrail is like

Yikes

[ebon notch]

last boss of grimrail made me want to jump off like 3 bridges

[oak sky]

Iron docks is held back by all the rp

[bleak sky]

bosses are very bland though

[brazen zodiac]

hi minal

do u like s4 so far

[bleak sky]

uh

the affix is super shit imo

[brazen zodiac]

i agree

what do u dislike about it

[bleak sky]

zzz secondary stat + the named mobs are so time consuming that i'd rather not do them

the shield one specifically

[brazen zodiac]

the blood suck dude?

[bleak sky]

I think so?

[brazen zodiac]

hes kind of annoying i find myself using 2 rounds of ven in pugs lul

[bleak sky]

yeah not exactly time efficient

[brazen zodiac]

i thought last seasons affix was kinda cool

compared to this xd

[oak sky]

Last seasons affix was really good

im an encrypted day 1

the only real issue was the cyphers crowding up the packs

[ebon notch]

it got kinda boring after a bit tbh

like you wanna bang a boss and you have to be picky with your damage to get the right shit

[brazen zodiac]

the cdr was fun

yeah that part felt kinda bad

[oak sky]

the miniboss concept from pride and tormented was good

but

got really boring doing it 2 seasons in a row

and skipping was garbo

[brazen zodiac]

dos wo skip

epic

[arctic venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[pure skiff]

I just got the mecha ring if you heal something then you get…. Why does this exist on a rogues loot table smh 😩

[drifting cloud]

because its a ring

[pure skiff]

Rip and yeh but a ring with no benefit to a rogue heart is broken

[drifting cloud]

well it has stats

the equip effect doesnt cost any stat budget

[gusty mirage]

stand in fire

crimson vial

[grizzled jay]

POGGIES https://puu.sh/Jeshy/5bca29435d.png

[balmy condor]

worst trinket in the game lets go

[gusty mirage]

lmao everyone's so excited for that

[grizzled jay]

but i got SPEED now

[gusty mirage]

ZOOMIN

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor

I had a weird situation today playing assa

[grizzled jay]

okay so actual meme question Whispyr

[ebon notch]

Need you to ground me for a sec

[grizzled jay]

with that trinket, does that increase the value of selecting Vers for Shrouded

[oak sky]

its just a bad trinket man

[grizzled jay]

i literally have nothing better

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah sure

[grizzled jay]

lmao

it replaced a 252 cache

[balmy condor]

the 252 cache is better

[grizzled jay]

you're lying

[balmy condor]

I would be very surprised if that vers piece of shit

beat a cache

30 ilvl lower

[grizzled jay]

im bouts to sim it

[balmy condor]

it might get close I won't lie

but that vers thing

is actually terrible

[fleet whale]

Are you talking about the stat stick trinket from Grimraik

Grimrail

[grizzled jay]

no Iron Docks

vers with on-use vers

[balmy condor]

@grizzled jay with maxed ilvl on trinkets, it's almost -3% compared to cache

[fleet whale]

Imagine if they brought shrine back from BFA

Wonder if galecallers would be good

[balmy condor]

lets find out

[grizzled jay]

Raidbots says it's 1.1% better

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[balmy condor]

replace trinket immediately

[grizzled jay]

LMAO

it might say it's better cause i'm necro rn dunno if that impacts it

[balmy condor]

I mean it definitely doesn't help cache

but yeh

if the worst trinket in the game rn is an upgrade

you got bigger issues than covenant

[grizzled jay]

Necro Sin Rogue gets value out of the worst trinket in the game

HELL YEAH

[fleet whale]

How is it the worst trinket in the game

[balmy condor]

it does the least damage

[grizzled jay]

is it giga in pvp

[fleet whale]

Yeah but what about council trinket

[balmy condor]

galecallers is -1.5% alongside targeting reticle and skulkers

[balmy condor]

it's better

[grizzled jay]

what replaces Scars in AoE

[balmy condor]

nothing

chains of domination maybe, or decanter

[grizzled jay]

hm okay

halondrus still bad?

[balmy condor]

also I lied, there is one trinket worse and it's ticking sack

[balmy condor]

I mean "bad" means different things here, you're playing a trinket rn that's -3%, halondrus trinket is -1.7%, so that sounds good

but -1.7% is like barely top 15

[grizzled jay]

raidbots never lies

[balmy condor]

it's true

it's not lying about that trinket being better for you either

it's just saying that your gear fucking blows spoiled milk chunks out both ends

[grizzled jay]

but it is funny 40 ilvls it is barely 1% better

[gusty mirage]

no you lose the bonus from the pvp trinkets

[grizzled jay]

oh true

those two trinkets probably slap in WPvP though. just all that vers.

[uneven hamlet]

my first r1, someone will slap it prob but i'm happy

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

What diff

[kind swift]

hey guys in what world do i ever get nadjia to outsim theotar?!?! ive never seen it happen yet i see a ton of it on logs

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt, but alot of theotars power is from umbrella proc which is 100% uptime in sims

alot less in reality on alot of fights

[kind swift]

oohhhh ok that makes sense, there's no option to change uptime of the umbrella on raidbots is there?

[drifting cloud]

dont think so but havent checked in months tbh

[kind swift]

yeah rip

[drifting cloud]

just sim theotar and theotar without umbrella and you will see how much dps it is

[woeful cipher]

whats our best non- on use trinket for raid/ST? just phial?

[warm parcel]

eoc likely

ticking sack might work too

[gray crest]

"100% parse for me guys" -Oxi on slg

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

Phials gone.

[woeful cipher]

can you tell ive been raid logging for the last month and just catching up.. lmao

[strange python]

Plaguefall isn't m+ anymore.

[woeful cipher]

love to hear it, considering I didnt get a phial all last season anyway

@strange python is there consensus what looks strongest spec wise for raid/m+? im looking at sin for raid and outlaw for m+

[woeful meteor]

All Specs are very close and it comes down to personal pref

[woeful cipher]

cool yeah thats what id been seeing, and while im mostly equally bad at sin and outlaw, I am especially bad at sub

[strange python]

Damn is fusion amp giga? Did it get buffed?

[glad needle]

Wait sin is close to outlaw/sub in M+ now?

[strange python]

Fusion amp and scars/chain are simming biggest

[strange python]

No. That was definitely raid. Sin meh in keys

[woeful meteor]

Yeah meant Raid, Sin in m+ is not that good

[strange python]

Fusion amp/cache are simming giant for me.

[cerulean nest]

how's mythic raid feeling?

[woeful meteor]

Seems relatively easy at least the early Bosses

[nocturne lagoon]

oxi is my favorite rogue

[gray crest]

[brazen zodiac]

team oxi

[viscid spear]

There is no opp

[brazen zodiac]

huh

[viscid spear]

No one can oppose him

[strange python]

God hateful chain Sims so high

[upbeat mirage]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[spice spire]

I oppose him

[viscid spear]

You oppose opposition

[spice spire]

True

[cerulean nest]

so can we run heroic sanctum for dagger this week or it only drops higher ilvl when fated?

[viscid spear]

Only next week when SoD is Fated

Get that Sire helm this week though

[olive quest]

hey guys, in my opener am i suppose to have to wait like a whole gcd to get enough energy to garrote? i feel like im energy starved in general

[oak sky]

yes

[harsh anchor]

belf racial feels nice in that period of time

[olive quest]

i see, i havent played sin since SoD and im starting to try it again since i spent all of SoTF on sub this feels a lot slower then i remember then super hetic in cds

i never have to envenom literally like ever so it feels weird

[oak sky]

its faster now

[shell ivy]

I feel u

I also came back from SoD

[olive quest]

itsj ust the loss of vigor

[shell ivy]

Trying out sin rotation was very weird

[oak sky]

we havent played vigor since cn really

[olive quest]

we did in SoD

[shell ivy]

I’ve been kinda blaming it on my stats distribution but it’s probably just as slow

[oak sky]

mfd was better in sod

[olive quest]

well i guess there was the deeper strat build

huh i just looked, i didnt realize there was a mfd build in SoD

im seeing the two that i recognized with Ambush Deeper and Elabrote Vigor but i never saw any mfd auntil now

pogchamp

[strange python]

Timing flag for sludge pillar feels weird

[olive quest]

i held min for first pillar since when i didnt i felt like it alaways came up right as pillar buff dropped

[peak bobcat]

you vendetta first global and not flag

and it will be back in time

[strange python]

Lol guys I know

I mean pre flag timing

[west cove]

any decent guides for sin pvp right now?

just the wowhead guide?

[balmy condor]

as far as I know yeah

should all be pinned in #pvp

they would know better

[west cove]

cheers, sorry for noob questions been away since season 1 so very rusty on knowledge

also im lvl 80 reknown both fae and venthyr, can i freely switch for pvp and pve avtivities now?

[balmy condor]

yep

just have to go to oribos

[west cove]

lovely

thats nice to be able to swap out

[teal geyser]

yo guys, are u playing the mechagon rings or do we keep the jeweled signet ?

for assa

[balmy condor]

mechagon

[blissful forge]

Are there bosses im cn/sod where assa rly stands out dmg wise?

[jovial spear]

Sludge was pretty cool yesterday - but only tried it on HC tho

[balmy condor]

Sludge is okay, but other than that not really no

[echo geyser]

Hello @balmy condor how does one become clairvoyant for predicting best setups for all future raid fights

[balmy condor]

spending way too much time caring about fight timings on push-over bosses

[echo geyser]

thanks

[burnt latch]

hi rogue can i play assa in raid or will i get kicked for performance ty?

[echo geyser]

🌿

[bleak sky]

🌿

[vestal wren]

fixed it

[bleak sky]

@burnt latch

Beautiful

[echo geyser]

[bleak sky]

He's new to the server

[burnt latch]

u guys bully new ppl a lot?

[echo geyser]

@burnt latch test

[burnt latch]

i just asker question for the rogue guy

[oak sky]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

especially finnish people

[burnt latch]

that seems very rude

i dont like

i also finnish

[drifting cloud]

bad rng go next

[burnt latch]

gg wp unluck

[oak sky]

Better spawn next time

[burnt latch]

no crits parse ruined gg

just ordered chocy milk cuz i got sad bcz of ur comments

shame on you guys

[drifting cloud]

wish I had chocy milk

[burnt latch]

its pretty good tbh

[limber lion]

assa good.

[burnt latch]

WOW

the damages go over 20k?

@ebon notch is this u?

[limber lion]

:O

[vestal wren]

formrogue won't recover from that

[ebon notch]

hello

is me

[burnt latch]

gz on higher than 20k of the damages

never done myself

[ebon notch]

what

[limber lion]

wow!

[burnt latch]

If Ceverion has million number of fans I am one of them. If Ceverion has ten fans I am one of them. If Ceverion has only one fan and that is me. If Ceverion has no fans, that means I am no longer on earth. If the world against the Ceverion, I am against the world

[echo geyser]

Guardian druid

[fleet imp]

Inpressive which key was this?

[burnt latch]

can i do this?

[ebon notch]

junkyard 18

[echo geyser]

Oh it was a key

Thought ST first

Zappy bots

[oak sky]

Chrissywakeup looking weak

[burnt latch]

just didnt proc

unluck

[oak sky]

0 procz(ieft) all key

[burnt latch]

the miggest misfortune

0proczcieft

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch are you ok

[burnt latch]

im new here

hi 🙂

[limber lion]

20k st

[balmy condor]

doable

just spam keys harder

full valor gear is enough for 20k single target

[limber lion]

solid 3k away from that currently

[balmy condor]

I mean, I didn't say it was EASY, you need mecha rings and the top trinkets and stuff

[burnt latch]

half way there

[limber lion]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED???

[burnt latch]

[fleet imp]

Everyone talking about zappy bots

And taking hast on sub

I am missing something

Do they boost your damage or anything?

[bleak sky]

Zapbots do dumb damage

[fleet imp]

I gotta check it

Cant remember it

[scarlet sequoia]

what azerite powers are u guys using in mechagon

[subtle tundra]

3xSS and then flex

ttk mostly

cause its tyra

2x ttk 1x eb

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

hi

[ebon notch]

shut up

@gusty mirage did i do good

[subtle tundra]

only 34 left

omg

maybe i will run out

[ebon notch]

im on 27 or smth now

[blissful forge]

Got this and the one with the 3 abilities with socket + avoidance but workshop wont give me the ring that grants haste

Peeposad

[gusty mirage]

No don’t bully varas

@subtle tundra hope you’re having a great day king

[subtle tundra]

playing with friends!

maybe i should streamer

[ebon notch]

smh the rules keep changing

[gusty mirage]

???

Talk to quake and whispyr about rules

Run wild inmates

Idgaf if you guys shit post anymore. Go for it

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

did you loot anything good oxi

from dungs/raid yet

[kind talon]

holy

[burnt latch]

the loot just keeps on coming

ez for me

[kind talon]

holy

💀

sup

[ebon notch]

i traded one to cev yesterday

@gusty mirage did u change my name

[echo geyser]

[burnt latch]

LOL

[spice spire]

I’m just a false figurehead

[echo geyser]

but u are cute

[spice spire]

No you mister ramfam. Hope you have a blessed day of loot

[echo geyser]

still on vacation

Till tuesday

[bleak sky]

blessed vacation day

[gusty mirage]

No

[echo geyser]

Blessed day of touching grass

[bleak sky]

[burnt latch]

@ebon notch

[echo geyser]

Nice using the sun to dry clothes faster

[spice spire]

Man is focused

[burnt latch]

fucking massive brain

environment is an ally

[ebon notch]

yw

[limber lion]

thank god

[burnt latch]

ezzzz

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll be your backbiter

But also GZZZZ

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

[snow plinth]

hows assassin fare in season 4 for both m+ and raid? judging from warcraftlogs so far assassin seems top. but iirc outlaw was top for keys? was assassin not far behind? debating on playing rogue, priest or hunter for s4 and I like outlaw so far but been really curious about assassin

[balmy condor]

Sin is notably worse than sub/outlaw in m+ and about even in raids

[fleet imp]

Sin good only cuz the other 2 were broken

Jk

[cerulean junco]

All viable make your decision based on your desired playstyle imo

[gusty mirage]

Deeper daggers was nerfed and your spec has more variance than outlaw

L

[vestal wren]

sin might beat sub and even outlaw on specific fights

in raid

[fleet imp]

CN seems to be a good Sin fight

[vestal wren]

sludge seems like a obvious one

[fleet imp]

Would flex it with outlaw tbh and sub for Daddynatrious

[snow plinth]

when I looked at the statistics section on wcl sin was pumping on shriekwing. like number 2 slot only beneath unholy

[gusty mirage]

I mean shriek isn’t exactly the best boss to use as your deciding factor on what to play the entire tier

If you like outlaw play outlaw

[vestal wren]

the best decision is to play what is the most fun for you tho

[gusty mirage]

You’ll play better and enjoy the game more if you play something you like

[snow plinth]

oh I just meant that it was one fight I remember assassin excelling on since people were discussing it surpassing the others on some fights.

[proper summit]

This week at least (idk if fated affixes rotate between bosses every rotation) outlaw provides a lot of damage on the affix which helps everyone get more stacks and damage

[snow plinth]

this is the core of it. I was just curious about assassin since it seemed cool, though I haven't messed with it much. im still rather new to rogue in general but outlaw. as the only one I've really tried so far, is pretty fun

[gusty mirage]

You can give it a shot, the 4pc playstyle isn’t for everyone

[violet jackal]

The 4 affix are the same throughout all of Season 4 but they will rotate which boss has which affix weekly

[gusty mirage]

But if you’re already happy on outlaw, I’d probably just stick outlaw tbh. Maybe swap for a boss or two and see if you like assassination

Outlaw does good ST and is a billion times easier in cleave than assassination

[cerulean junco]

Yeah Lyra.. personally like I said I would lean into finding the playstyle you enjoy and can play the best at first and if your really wanting to main rogue start learning the intricacies for each spec and figure out WHY each spec would perform better than another on specific fight patterns.

But in the end if executed well each spec is perfectly fine

[snow plinth]

gotcha, ill keep that in mind. thanks!

[gusty mirage]

For sure play around with the dif specs and see what you enjoy

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[placid quartz]

is it incorrect to stack up Scars of Fraternal Strife runes before a raid pull?

[vestal wren]

i don't have it so not sure how the stacks behave on a boss pull

also you can't pull in stealth

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra @burnt latch

most cursed comp ever

and we smurf

[subtle tundra]

?

[ebon notch]

upper kara

[subtle tundra]

its literally a 19

[ebon notch]

have you done it

[subtle tundra]

upper is chill

[ebon notch]

its world rank 18 btw

that key

[subtle tundra]

its a 1 boss

dungeon

you kill medivh and its easiest key

[ebon notch]

manawyrm is giga overtuned

we had to do CD rotations and some degen shit

[viscid spear]

idk my group couldn't get Curator to 50%

Legit the tank kept yelling to stack, people whined about Quaking, get mogged left and right

[ebon notch]

curator is legit focusing adds

and cleaving boss after

its like inverse 2nd boss in SD

[viscid spear]

Power Discharge kept slamming healer

We weren't really stacked so sometimes people would get boxed in from it

[ebon notch]

isnt that the one you wanna just walk away from?

[viscid spear]

The one that leaves a lightning puddle, yeah

He'd do it and we'd see an angel form every time

[gusty mirage]

Factual

[marble hemlock]

wait, you had to play the game to kill a boss?

[gusty mirage]

Lmao I had a friend complaining about one shot mechanics in Kara. He clearly never played legion

[marble hemlock]

upper is great elusiveness dungeon btw

yeah

doing stuff like rotating immunities and soaks and stuff

with big shieldwalls

was kinda required

but its why i loved it so much

made people use their entire toolkit, wasnt just about who could blast the biggest aoe dps

[gusty mirage]

Honestly when I prepped people for medivh upper Kara was free lol

The other bosses are just about properly using DRs and healing

[subtle tundra]

cheat death is an immunity

[warm parcel]

upper is just get prot pal

win game

[gusty mirage]

What’s not enjoyable are the wod dungeons

[marble hemlock]

grimrail is fine

[gusty mirage]

Ground effects doing damage before the visual indicator shows up

[marble hemlock]

iron ducks is boring as fuck

[gusty mirage]

Is cringe as fuck

[warm parcel]

wym

isnt it cool to get shit on on last boss in grimrail

before you can do anything

or am I that big a boomer

[outer cairn]

You get a visual indicator? For us the electricity is just there and you're screwed

[bleak sky]

iron docks fire arrows doing damage before they even show up YEP

very fun

[gusty mirage]

Grimrail boss throwing down bombs with like 0 time to react once he starts throwing them

[bleak sky]

haven't done grimrail yet

[outer cairn]

I throughly enjoy it when the whole platform is covered and the only safe space is in the back. Really makes it nice running through all the shit on the ground and taking massive damage

only thing we could think of to do afterwards is just stack and try to bait the electricity, but doubtful that works

[burnt latch]

nono we dont flex +19 keys over here

[violet jackal]

I had a hunter in a run yesterday say that it's a dance and you just have to know the pattern, they died on the 3rd lightning breath

[warm parcel]

ye our priest was saying us to avoid the avoidable damage

meanwhile he triggered 4 traps

[violet jackal]

[spice spire]

This tracks

[thorny pond]

Okay Zoomer. Just because you can’t appreciate classical art

[winter hill]

Docks is fine imo

[sharp stump]

Can I evasion night hunter??

[charred mango]

is assa now the go to ST spec?

[limber lion]

Any rogue spec is good for st

[spice spire]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Per the spreadsheet, no.

[gusty mirage]

Why don’t you appreciate this

[thorny pond]

I appreciate you

But thanks for the gift friend!

[burnt latch]

u know what i want u to appreciate

[ebon notch]

i was gonna do that but i wanted to wait to see if you were gonna be clever about it

[burnt latch]

ofc im smort

[ebon notch]

raiding mythical

[burnt latch]

mystical raider

[ebon notch]

sry for typo

not smort

[burnt latch]

god gmer

is ok np

[kind turtle]

Has anyone simmed weapon enchants combinations of Sinful Rev and Celestial Guidance on main-hand and off-hand to figure what which combo is better?

[balmy condor]

Irrelevant

If you have buff A and buff B you can make them A+B or B+A

It’s the same thing

[kind turtle]

What if you’re using a fist weapon offhand with a slower attack speed (or different dmg profile, idk exactly how the game interprets that)

[balmy condor]

Then you’re not playing Assassination

[kind turtle]

E.g. for sub pvp

[nimble tartan]

last boss grimrail fuckin cranks

[balmy condor]

But that wouldn’t matter either

Because it’s normalized

It procs based on time

Your weapon hits actually don’t matter

[warm parcel]

Well technically

[balmy condor]

Think of weapon enchants like tiny trinkets

[warm parcel]

It matters if you attack less often than once every 10s

but theres no weapon that slow

[balmy condor]

[warm parcel]

blp is still 10s iirc

for the formula

[kind turtle]

So faster weapons don’t proc enchants faster than slower weapons? Over say the course of 2 minutes on a dummy or something

[balmy condor]

Big nerd alert over here with the technicality

[balmy condor]

Correct

[warm parcel]

ye well it matters when theres ooc time with trinkets

say running in m+

[kind turtle]

Do wep enchants only proc from autos?

[warm parcel]

most actions should

[balmy condor]

They proc from abilities too

[warm parcel]

where you hit an enemy

[balmy condor]

If you hit something, it will proc

And you are being limited by the proc rate

No matter your weapon

[warm parcel]

yeh

[kind turtle]

So wouldn’t that cause your main hand enchant to proc more over the course of a fight? Taking this a bit away from assa, focusing on 1h dmg abilities (this is going into sub territory)

[balmy condor]

What

No

They proc like 4 times a minute

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Why does anything you do matter

It’s still 4 times a minute

Slow offhand fast offhand mut ambush garrote rupture dispatch blade flurry

[kind turtle]

So it’s just based on time in combat?

[balmy condor]

All irrelevant

Abilities PROC the effect

But the effect itself has a proc rate and that proc rate does not change

You can’t force the proc rate to be higher or lower than itself

[kind turtle]

Do 1h abilities only proc the main hand enchant

[balmy condor]

probably yeah

[kind turtle]

Like shadowstrike

[balmy condor]

but you're auto attacking with your offhand at the same time so what's it matter

[warm parcel]

this is what most procs look like

[kind turtle]

Are you not autoing with your main hand while using 1h abilities?

[warm parcel]

this means it will on average always proc 3 times per minute

no matter what you do

[balmy condor]

of course you are

[warm parcel]

sometimes you get lucky and get 6

[balmy condor]

you're always auto-attacking

[warm parcel]

sometimes unlucky

[balmy condor]

with both hands

[kind turtle]

Ok so if you’re autoing equally with both weps, AND spamming 1h main-hand dmg abilities, wouldn’t that mean there’s more things happening to proc your main hand enchant?

[warm parcel]

`

[balmy condor]

respectfully, I feel like I'm talking to a wall and I'm quickly running out of ways to try and explain that 3 procs a minute is 3 procs a minute

[warm parcel]

if it reads 3 times a minute

it is 3 times a minute

no matter if you dance around and whatever

[kind turtle]

Well I feel like you’re just writing off everything I’m asking by saying irrelevant without actually explaining yourself

[balmy condor]

you can hit A QUADRILLION TIMES A SECOND with your main hand

[kind turtle]

But I’ll take your word

[balmy condor]

it's still 3 procs a minute

there's an internal coolown

idk how else to explain this

[balmy condor]

if I told you that I'll give you a dollar once a minute for every time you roll a 6 on a dice

and you roll a million 6's

you're still only getting one dollar a minute yes?

[warm parcel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/fiisax/rppm_explained/

if you actually care

[balmy condor]

you can roll 15 dice at a time

or only one dice over and over

but no matter what you do

it's still 1 dollar a minute

[outer kernel]

guys how is the combo ring from mechagon with haste?

[balmy condor]

it's bis

[outer kernel]

it is Bis?

[spice spire]

Best in slot, yes

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[nimble tartan]

proc this

[harsh anchor]

Is there a tooltip error in simc for a 288 overclocking bit band? It states 86 haste but in-game it's 104

[balmy condor]

can you link the sim

all the tooltips are generated from wowhead so it's most likely an error there

[harsh anchor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tUqhS9o53a8yxyLk7ofvit

[balmy condor]

yeah that looks to be a wowhead error

[royal cliff]

Hey squad, how sadge is sin feeling in keys atm? I'm thinkin of swappin mains to rogue from warrior but sub is boring af and i hate outlaw

wouldnt be looking to do a hell of a lot more than ksm prob tbh

[spice spire]

Ksm it’s more than fine

[royal cliff]

I may just sub for keys and raid with sin idk, I dont really LOVE any of the specs outside of raid

[subtle tundra]

just play whatever mate!

having fun is the top priority unless you tryhard

[royal cliff]

i know i know and i wish i could embrace that more but i will always be a 'play what's best' person and i know it lol

[subtle tundra]

if you like the assa playstyle, then just play it

i mean... if you're only doing 15s...

[royal cliff]

esp since i can do 20+ with my warrior and thats easy

yeah i know but like also i want to dumpster my friends which i wont do with sin

its a rub

[subtle tundra]

if they are survival/destro and they are half decent you wont on outlaw either

[royal cliff]

the only destro is dogshit so its fine

[pseudo hamlet]

Consdiering that I saw Assa rogues doing ~17-18+ keys this week, I am pretty sure it will be viable this season up to +20(even higher).

[spice spire]

20s aren’t even that bad tbh.

Pretty sure varas did 29s last season (I’m not 100% sure what his damage looked like) but he did time and complete

And it looks to be about the same this season

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, assa is fine. Just feels less rewarding compared to other two specs.

[limber lion]

assa bis

[pseudo hamlet]

(well, not only feels )

[distant mesa]

what would be the hardest thing to switch from NcL to Venthyr?

[spice spire]

Timing your CDs correctly (mfd, flag, vanish and vendetta)

Is the hardest thing

Rest is pretty much the same

[distant mesa]

so MfD instead of DS and MA instead of Sub talents?

[spice spire]

Yes

[violet jackal]

yes

[spice spire]

And the opener is in the FAQ along with mfd logic iirc

[grizzled jay]

Don't you just full send

[violet jackal]

uh yes but very very systemically

#assassination-faq

[spice spire]

You’re holding some for a light duration. For pure optimal play that is - but you can just full send and be fine. Making sure you mfd for every flag is top importance tho

[grizzled jay]

I meant necro/nf not venth

[distant mesa]

as Necro ( I play Bonesmith) so I hold SBS for the window

[violet jackal]

Marileth I bonespike after every shiv and after vanish

[distant mesa]

^

[spice spire]

Heirmir is opener > gemstones > don’t overcap. Still some thought, but less

[violet jackal]

Dragonflight is going to be a wild time when the covenants are gone and we are all unified

[distant mesa]

and the Naj vs theo is the tea buff?

[limber lion]

Nah, Nadja is just better overall. Theotar's Umbrella is very inconsistent and requires maximum uptime from Umbrella to get the full value out of the soulbind.

[spice spire]

Movement also comes into play.
In sofo, you lost a lot of umbrella uptime, so there it was nadjia pretty universally.

If you get a bad theo tea it’s pretty rough

[distant mesa]

M+ Venthyr still uses Sub talent according to FAQ how does that feel?

[limber lion]

Feels good

[violet jackal]

It doesn't feel one just does

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion hi ur cute

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage hi ur hot

[gusty mirage]

says the guy with the chiseled jaw and the professional music skills

[subtle tundra]

noooooooooooo we got to the geometry boss

noooooooooooooooooooooo

[limber lion]

I got the mechanic twice on it :DD

[subtle tundra]

xd

i did 20k dps on hungering

felt good!

[distant mesa]

how often does a 30 stack happen...

my god that was fast as fuck

[limber lion]

Nice, how about Huntsman?

I went pretty sicko mode on Huntsman

[subtle tundra]

we did bl on 1.5 min

:/

cringe asf strat

22.2k

[limber lion]

we lusted 1:08

but yehh

nice not bad

the raid so far is pretty fun, except I've been on the bench waiting for the guild to kill Artificer for 30 minutes now

[subtle tundra]

the soak affix is lovely

go brrr

[limber lion]

yeh, it's pretty cringe whenever the dispell happens in range though

:(

[jaunty crystal]

ye if you're pumping vendetta and the soak is out in ranged it feels so bad.

[hybrid vale]

Does anyone have like a table of sorts that shows how the conversion of mastery for assa relative to the stat DR

since it's not like the other stats

[drifting cloud]

as assa? unethical m+ gaming warlords

[subtle tundra]

ofc as assa

no externals gaming

[drifting cloud]

you have to roll up to the raid with less than 282 ilvl

its in the rules

[balmy condor]

It’s based on mastery points instead of %, with 1 mastery point giving 1.7% and the DR functioning the same way, 30-39%, 39-47, 47-54, 54-66

@hybrid vale

[burnt latch]

Dont lie to the community

[balmy condor]

So first cutoff at 51, then 66, then 80% mastery from gear

And if you have more than that you’ve got some issues and I suggest therapy

Would be like 110% mastery on character sheet

[hybrid vale]

ok that makes sense

now to do that for my other specs as i thinnk ill be approaching stat drs soon on them

[balmy condor]

I think sin starts with like 36? %

So you have to calc after that

[violet jackal]

110% mastery bleed ticks

[ebon notch]

sry i got hit by an anchor and they had to take me to hospital

[limber lion]

fuck.

[strange python]

I got the mechanic at the end and one of the others was in pod. Rip me

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[warm parcel]

one narnia be like

[limber lion]

Gamer

[ebon notch]

he's too stacked to be left alive

get him

[warm parcel]

dude assa feels so bad on sludge now

[limber lion]

?????

[warm parcel]

applying bleeds

[limber lion]

It's legit the perfect spec for it

[warm parcel]

has never felt more wrong

[distant mesa]

what I be able to do a combatlog of a training dummy to see issues in core rotation

[limber lion]

Perfect 1 min timers

legit one of the best specs in the entire game on Sludge

[warm parcel]

sludge is for pumping big directs

not this bleed shenanigans

[subtle tundra]

you know what vendetta does?

and what shiv does

[warm parcel]

yeh

[subtle tundra]

and what flag does

[warm parcel]

improves the bleeds you spam

[brazen zodiac]

uh

[subtle tundra]

youre baked!

[warm parcel]

meanwhile moonkin chillin 200k moons

[brazen zodiac]

play boomkin

ez

[warm parcel]

I just want my envenoms back

miss me with ct on st

[brazen zodiac]

uh

[strange python]

@limber lion are you doing flag ~1 sec before charge so you don't use a global on it when it hits?

[subtle tundra]

flag global is big dmg

[strange python]

I was doing flag>rupture>mfd>CT during the charge cause of range, then vendetta and shiv on pillar

[vast loom]

Envenom enjoyer. Bleed enjoyer

just play sub or outlaw if you want big finisshers

[warm parcel]

ye 15k dispatch

biggest of dams

[violet jackal]

you could try feral

[vast loom]

is there a way to see max hit on WCL?

[warm parcel]

we cool KB is back in dragon

so no need for none of this bleed misery

you could maybe export your logs

and use excel magic

[violet jackal]

hover over the bar

[vast loom]

ah

big 41k dispatchs

[warm parcel]

[vast loom]

huh envenom do be hitting

[subtle tundra]

people are doing something wrong on xymox

wtf

[violet jackal]

that's on sludgefist

necrolord by the way

[vast loom]

has cev killed sludgefist yet

[spice spire]

He’s private logging idk

[vast loom]

[vast loom]

its a 4fun season tho

[spice spire]

Back to the log watching arc

[violet jackal]

the guild i'm running with private logs fated heroic logs

[subtle tundra]

do people not know to hold cds for dmg increase?

[limber lion]

No, I play Night Fae

[vast loom]

[limber lion]

:)

[vast loom]

nightfae iss the only one i dont have leveled lol

[strange python]

Interesting. On sludge or all the raid content

[vast loom]

250k dmg per sepssis

[limber lion]

Here's a Venthyr version

[vast loom]

thats big

[limber lion]

Just Sludge

[subtle tundra]

but what dps is that

[strange python]

Sepsis every pillar?

[limber lion]

A lot.

[limber lion]

Every other

[strange python]

God I haven't played far since 9.2 ptr

Fae

[subtle tundra]

isnt it better do pull-2-4?

than 1-3

[vast loom]

Cev out here using secret hidden night fae tech

[subtle tundra]

and do you vendetta on pull?

[strange python]

Is it just slam sepsis with vendetta and shiv? I remember fae being straight forward but I don't know if there's any sludgefist slamming

[strange python]

I couldn't get vend back when I tried this

[subtle tundra]

Penis

[limber lion]

Rather than use the Affix that gives you 40% more damage during first pillar?

Nah don't think so

You send everything on first pillar with lust and the affix

[subtle tundra]

Ok i didn't know about atfix

[warm parcel]

but arent those hc logs

[limber lion]

yeh

I mean, doesn't matter

[warm parcel]

your dmg breakdown gona look diff

[limber lion]

Yes

[violet jackal]

what's the difference still 4 pillars on mythic

[limber lion]

?

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes, on Sludge sync Vend/Shiv/Sepsis 1/3 and Vend/Shiv on pull1234

[strange python]

You vendettad on pull and had it back for first pillar? Do you just immediately slam it? It was 5 seconds off CD when I did that, and imagine that I'd get less cdr without flag

[limber lion]

Oh well, we're just about to kill Council so I'll let you know what it'll look like

[vast loom]

big

[strange python]

I'm out on council and slg thank fuck

[limber lion]

Yes, immediately send

I'm talking

Mutilate - Slice - Vendetta

[violet jackal]

first GCD

[strange python]

Hmm

Now I'm curious to try sepsis tech

[violet jackal]

Just think about the echoing repimand nightslaker potential htough on sludgefist

[strange python]

I remember it being super easy on ptr but could be wrong. Dreamweaver?

[limber lion]

Yeh, I tried Field of Blossoms with different multipliers

meaning different uptime on it

[strange python]

God I lost so many rank 1s last night to sloppy raid deaths.

[limber lion]

and it outperformed Niya everytime, even at like 40% uptime

which is like 7 seconds or something

[strange python]

Yeah, gotta imagine field on pillar with vend is giga

[limber lion]

pillar lasts for 12s, so you'll get 11s at least everytime

very pog opener

[strange python]

I'm so salty about my lost rank 1s. We 6 minute killed shriek, had half the raid dead on innerva and artificer and I had to compensate for mechanics.

[nova flax]

Parses

[limber lion]

imagine even playing in season 4

imagine even playing

imagine living

[nova flax]

Imagine

[strange python]

Tbh I would rather my guild do jailer for mounts than do s4. Would also rather we do skips then go backwards

Everyone wants sire loot, no one cares about council

[limber lion]

i̴̾̚m̶̒͐a̵̅̿ḡ̸̛i̴̔́n̴̓̂ẻ̷̊

[subtle tundra]

honestly

[nova flax]

We went to jailer last night after mythic council and uh

[subtle tundra]

the only problem with this season

will be that in 3 weeks

cn will be a total joke

like

normal level

[nova flax]

Wiped at 6% cuz out monk popped the chain trinket and spun the boss around as he used meteor cleave

[limber lion]

Maybe yeh

[strange python]

Lmao

[subtle tundra]

everyone will be 300 ilvl

[limber lion]

you're not 300 yet?

smgh

pick up the pace

[subtle tundra]

yea im a pisser

[nova flax]

I think thats perfectly fine tbh. This isnt really meant to be a reprog tier

[subtle tundra]

smh

[limber lion]

not sure if anyone is

[nova flax]

More like a ‘go back and have fun’ tier

[limber lion]

probably not

hopefully not

[subtle tundra]

will get boring asf

[nova flax]

Then dont play ?

[warm parcel]

ye you know as boss doesnt die in 5 seconds after pull

[subtle tundra]

sure bro dont play

[nova flax]

I think the keys are pretty fun

[subtle tundra]

thanks!

[warm parcel]

mythic sludge still takes all charges

[nova flax]

So ima enjoy it

[warm parcel]

hc doesnt

[limber lion]

?

we had 3 pillars

idk

it'll be the exact same amount of casts

[nova flax]

Our tank broke 2 pillars with a stomp

[limber lion]

unless the boss goes to the wall

[warm parcel]

3 pillars vs 4 and wall

thats 2 more mins

[vast loom]

i doubt they get wall, with current knowledge and gear

[warm parcel]

your average guild for sure will

[vast loom]

i didnt say everyone wouldnt i said they as in Cev's guild

guilds who are getting to sludge day2 arnt exactly avg

[warm parcel]

the bosses before sludge do nothing

its only sludge and sire that have anything rn

even slg is fairly easy

[vast loom]

theres 38 publicly logged kills of mythic sludge atm

thats def not "avg"

[subtle tundra]

need a mommy

sorry wrong chat

[vast loom]

theres 740 for shriek

[warm parcel]

ye exactly

sludge is the first boss that will take some time

so most if not all are wall kills for average guilds

unless we look after a month of 311 gear

[vast loom]

theres not even 100 that killed council publicly

maybe your Avg HoF guild

[distant mesa]

so I've done a couple openers, but after that nothing seems to line up on that training dummy lol (trying venthyr lol

[drifting cloud]

theres 140, its day2 of the raid theres been 20 kills in the last 90min its going to go up fast

[distant mesa]

Importance in Abilities with Venthyr refreshing is Rupt>Garr>CT>Enven yeah? (from what I read)

[vast loom]

For the end or in general

[distant mesa]

in general

I got the ending Vendetta playstyle from playing too much Necro lol

[vast loom]

I believe if snd is gonna fall off envenom is top prio, then 100% uptime on both gar and rupture then CT for the filler CPs unless its not in pandemic

Its same as not in vend its just faster

So you don't have as much filler finishers

[subtle tundra]

COMPLETE AND UTTER POG!

[distant mesa]

funny enough, I always went PB talent in Necro because of the mastery% I had

[vast loom]

Do you have correct pandemic WAs for vend?

That made the logic a lot easier for me

[kindred rapids]

SLG isn't easy lol

[distant mesa]

Yeah, I should have it

Use Atrocities lol

[vast loom]

Ah big

[subtle tundra]

@limber lion wouldnt niya be better for sludge since its more burst?

[warm parcel]

blossom is haste on demand too

if thats what youre comparing it to

[limber lion]

No, Dreamweaver still better

Too strong

[kindred rapids]

why nf though?

[subtle tundra]

🧀

[strange python]

I assume sepsis just slams pillars. Nf is already really close to Venth for ST

[kindred rapids]

yeah but you only get it every other though right?

having flag every pillar feels pretty good

[balmy condor]

yeah but sepsis ever other is better

[kindred rapids]

dang

[strange python]

My guess is that flag and vend overhangs are too long lasting to fully benefit from pillar times.

[kindred rapids]

there's no NF logs at all

[strange python]

Whereas the entire value of sepsis slams during

There's just not many sludge logs

[kindred rapids]

will be interesting to see

[jaunty crystal]

not a lot of sludge logs and people are just playing s3 builds

either due to laziness or not knowing

or not caring

[kindred rapids]

guilty lol

[harsh anchor]

wdym s3 builds

[violet jackal]

There no way to know if the man discovered and kept the secret to these chambers

also private logging makes it more hidden

[subtle tundra]

how tf you getting vendetta off cd on sludge before first

[jaunty crystal]

people are just playing whatever they played in s3 instead of trying new stuff.

[violet jackal]

Lets be real only 10 rogues actually crunch numbers the rest of the them sitting with popcorn for the information to be shared

[kindred rapids]

surprised by how good outlaw looks on sludgefist

[jaunty crystal]

outlaw probably owns if you get all the BB procs

[kindred rapids]

would expect it's damage profile to be less well suited

[royal lantern]

sounds like all classes every

just with less then 10 players lmao

[violet jackal]

probably I can only speak for this class

[limber lion]

I'll give you some juicy NF screenies soon

[kindred rapids]

nice

logs please?

[violet jackal]

how many seconds into the fight do i trigger first sparkle wings? 🤔

[jaunty crystal]

I think cev private logs unless he changed guilds

[kindred rapids]

I know lol

[jaunty crystal]

oh you're asking for unlisted I guess 😛

[ebon notch]

im fighting for them to be public

we will see when raid ends

[strange python]

Colour usually public logs later, but idk if he's still in colour

[ebon notch]

nah he with me i kidnapped him

i bribed him with energy drinks

[kindred rapids]

I gotta say NF also sounds way easier than trying to get flag right

w/ the pillar timings

[subtle tundra]

but how tf

do you get

first vendetta

[balmy condor]

you don't

you hold

[jaunty crystal]

oh is he JPC's replacement in NOCCO

[subtle tundra]

then cev lied?!?!

[ebon notch]

its his 2nd global

he does garrote > vend

[subtle tundra]

i do the same

[ebon notch]

then dont suck bro idk what to tell you

send more energy

buy fae off priests

[balmy condor]

oh shit

did he find a way

[strange python]

He was saying he had it back whisp

[balmy condor]

last I heard he was holding everything for first pillar

banger

[ebon notch]

he seems to be sending on pull ye

[subtle tundra]

literally tried it 😦

and it dont work

im on the boss now

[ebon notch]

are you casting while moving away from the boss

to minmax uptime

[subtle tundra]

yes

[strange python]

On our first pull I full sent on pull and I was ~10 seconds off of first pillar vend, I'm sure I could've been more efficient with energy and also sent it two globals faster.

[subtle tundra]

0 max energy

[ebon notch]

🤷‍♂️

[oak sky]

Mine almost lined up

Idr which global i sent it tho

(Heroic)

[strange python]

Still MfD and MA for fae?

Or is it subter deeper

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Failed first pillar unfortunately

but still did decent

[strange python]

Also I need to dump 10k flux for a fucking 278 sepsis cond?!

[spice spire]

Can’t you kill fated sire for it? (Legitimate question)

[strange python]

Dunno. I did sire heroic as Venth and will be doing normal this weekend

[strange python]

Subter and deeper or ma and mfd

[distant mesa]

I noticed that when I spent 10k flux in NEcro

[jaunty crystal]

wish my guild would raid 3 days this week. We only got two pulls on sludge 😦

[limber lion]

MA DS or MA DS

[distant mesa]

Lash isnt 278

[vast loom]

You also have 3 weeks to get 10k

[limber lion]

I played MFD, I'm not a big fan of DS

[strange python]

I'm pulling sludge in an hour

[strange python]

CT or pb?

[limber lion]

ct

[strange python]

Hmm. I'm curious about vigor

You vendettad on pull and got it back ?

[oak sky]

Im not sure if my guild is doing council today or just going to sludge 🤔

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

So sludge hits pillar, you've got bleeds up, then you sepsis>shiv>vend?

[distant mesa]

500k sepsis hit

wow

[pearl mauve]

Is there a bug on Iron Docks for sin rogues? got oneshot by shit abilitys and regen was stupid slow. Was after healer on overall with full mythic gear from SotFO. No idea what it was?

[limber lion]

Pretty much.

[limber lion]

Have you checked your armor?

[oak sky]

Did you have poisons applied

[limber lion]

Might want to repair your armor