assassination

[balmy condor]

well

not really a bet

meme in off topic

my name before was cum

but then I was freed

[bleak sky]

"freed"

[strange python]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh

[balmy condor]

yeah this might actually be worse

[royal lantern]

would you prefer thistle tea as a name?

[slow mortar]

does kingsbane get buffed by zoldyck?

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

it should, but on alpha right now things are still not fully implemented

[slow mortar]

👍 wording made me think that kingsbane is your weapon's poison, not your poison

[vestal wren]

argonizing poison was the big thing in legion

but got (for the better) removed

[balmy condor]

Weapon poisons are specifically reserved for the 60 minute poison buffs

Deadly poison, amp poison, instant poison, etc

[subtle tundra]

man i want to craft essence of bloodfang but i dont know how next patch's dungeons are

i think they will be low target count, right?

[balmy condor]

You want to craft what

[subtle tundra]

this

[vast loom]

isnt that just shitty doomblade?

[balmy condor]

But why

[lilac haven]

why tho

[balmy condor]

It’s actually so trash

[subtle tundra]

cool

but

im trying to reinvent the meta

ok

???

[balmy condor]

Aight have fun with that

[vast loom]

💩

[subtle tundra]

you dont even know what youre missing out on smh

by being so simple minded

just cause its bad it doesnt mean its bad

🤨

[lucid birch]

The pinnacle of class discords

[bleak sky]

I love you varas

[subtle tundra]

how do i see all combinations from a sim

[vestal wren]

you download the json

[subtle tundra]

the full json is random words

[vestal wren]

and then look at it in a text editor

[subtle tundra]

notepad

[vast loom]

notepad++

[vestal wren]

not sure if its formated well

[vast loom]

i just use VSCode tho

[vestal wren]

i remember raidbots had everything in one line

vscode has a code formater

so it might be better if thats the case

[subtle tundra]

also, WRONG. this works with fok(thats my whole theory)

does it work with sbs?

[bleak sky]

Craft and test

[vast loom]

i was looking through old legion stuff this seems like its a neat AoE talent we could get

[balmy condor]

it does work with fok

and it's still trash

[subtle tundra]

22.3k dps overall in a dos, i wonder how much i could've done if i played bloodfang...

[spice spire]

23.1… damn

Don’t let them keep you down varas

[gusty mirage]

give it a go

[subtle tundra]

I DONT HAVE IT

@balmy condor does bloodfang work with sbs

please

[balmy condor]

I think so

[marble hemlock]

It was very powerful, but it's also a boring ability, because it just pushes more damage into FoK, a builder.

[balmy condor]

22.3k overall in a dos, with bloodfang probably like 19

[marble hemlock]

We don't want damage tied to our builders, because it limits our DPS potential quite heavily

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

cap. dont make me craft bloodfang

[viscid spear]

🧢

[balmy condor]

Laughs in echoing blades

[vast loom]

maybe make it work off of CT?

[marble hemlock]

It'd just shift the issue. The problem is basically that you don't want the majority of your AoE prowess to be tied to a single ability, because you will always end up either spamming it as much as possible, which is unenjoyable, or being "cast once and forget about it" one if it's not tuned to be powerful enough.

[main solar]

what if it was remaining rupture damage? Shift some of the focus towards your bleed finisher

and dumping CP more into ruptures as it'd expire faster

hear me out, you could call it.... "Exsanguinate"

[dark token]

aoe combos or aoe cooldowns are much more satisfying than sub style black powder spam

[balmy condor]

Day 600 of asking for subtlety multistrike from wod to replace exsang

[manic walrus]

When trying to learn your rotation is it optimal to copy my sims rotations?

[balmy condor]

Never

You should learn why you’re pressing buttons

Not blindly copying the logic of a robot

[manic walrus]

The robots better than me 😦

[dark token]

using the bot and analyzing scenarios can be helpful tho

[manic walrus]

Ima finally put my foot down and learn sin rogue so i have 3 options for fated

[dark token]

like seeing how it syncs cooldown usage, or specific scenarios like "oh the sim stacks 5 chi before casting bonedust brew"

like reading the guide is good but seeing sim action list can help with seeing the guide "in practice", similar to reading a good log

[balmy condor]

Idk if I would recommend someone learning a spec to try and parse an action list

That seems a little extreme

[vestal wren]

it would fit tbh

but also multistrike

[main solar]

Is that bad though? They pretty much moved all of sub's bleed stuff into assassination in legion during the class identity revamp. In all seriousness though, our core AoE gameplay is basically multi bleeding. I'm just trying to think of ways to make it feel better once you already have all your bleeds up that isn't just 1 button spam that doesn't synergize with anything

[dark token]

the vanish power from torghast

[balmy condor]

Yeah it would have to be reworked for crit or something idk

[vestal wren]

could see it with crit

but would make crit even more overloaded of a stat

[pallid bough]

@balmy condor yo do you have a s4 spreadsheet?

[vast loom]

I think a CD button that like made your bleeds explode around their target for a duration or something

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[pallid bough]

Idk the discord cmd

Oh it’s all included in fuu?

[balmy condor]

Nope, fuu’s taking care of all 3 specs

[vestal wren]

yes

[dark token]

what about a button you could press and your next rupture and garrote apply AOE

[pallid bough]

Amen bless Fuu

[main solar]

mastery maybe? it revolves around bleeds afterall

[vast loom]

my god never seen that before

[main solar]

nvm, saw the trigger off multistrike

[marble hemlock]

I mean, you could just have an effect that makes bleeds deal more damage if theyre extended without falling off

so refreshing them before they fall off has higher value, as even a 0.5sec downtime would reset the buff

[dark token]

kinda wish our bleeds worked like ironfur stacks now

[vast loom]

just make our bleeds ignite ezclap

[marble hemlock]

yeah either ignite, or have crimson tempest remove your bleeds and bake them into the CT dot to boost its damage, and then you have to rebleed again which would give you a nice rotation of ramping and finishing your bleeds

assa aoe is insanely fun already

[meager granite]

And refund energy to reapply bleeds else... This aint gonna be fun

[vast loom]

yeah i just think multi dotting as sin feels a lot worse than it does on other dot specs 1 cuz were melee and 2 cuz they are a cd/finisher

[marble hemlock]

the only thing that sucks about it, is that at some point you sustain energy and all bleeds are rolling and youre swimming in energy and cp and you have nothing you can do with it. theres no "finish" to your ramp

[dark token]

this plus spending some on envenom for SND

[marble hemlock]

to me thats what makes it so much more enjoyable. what fun is there in casting dots, tabbing, casting dots, tabbing, casting dots, tabbing etc. from a 30y distance

[main solar]

Crimson Tempest consuming something doesn't sound too bad. It just feels really boring that its just another dot and being bad gameplay to press it again when targets already have the CT bleed up.

[vestal wren]

make rupture cost get higher with every additional tagret you apply it to

(i am joking)

[marble hemlock]

thatd work (would also have to deal more damage tho)

[main solar]

Something that gives Assassination a bit of AoE burst

[vestal wren]

the damage aspect sounds fun tbh

[marble hemlock]

id just like there to be an "end" to the ramp at which point it starts over again. veinripper/ct/exsang combo, basically

[dark token]

half VW effect and give 1% crit per bleed in addition

[meager granite]

[subtle tundra]

i mean, assa aoe is basically a ramp without the ramp part lmao

(currently)

[marble hemlock]

but again, just veinripper would already be enough

build bleeds, consume for big statgain+burst damage, rebuild bleeds, repeat

[vast loom]

would a CD that makes our next X finishers cast as if we had full CP i feel like that used to exist

[dark token]

the best button to use for that would be vanish, so i still advocate for the torghast vanish power to be in the tree

[marble hemlock]

assa on aoe already doesnt know what to do with the resources it generates

[vast loom]

the vanish power is cool

[balmy condor]

yeah that's ER

[marble hemlock]

it needs a solution to spend them, not a way to build more

[dark token]

spread giga bleeds, vanish to consume them for giga agility -> garrote3x and go again

[marble hemlock]

no, the best button for that would be to make it exsanguinate

[main solar]

I agree that AoE feels like it needs a pay off that isnt just passively buffed damage that you don't really notice

[dark token]

blizzard seems adverse to reworking that talent for some reason

[subtle tundra]

i have not once used that power from torghast lol

[vast loom]

kinda? i was just thinking being able to tab rupture everything seems pog

[dark token]

probably cause a lot of the sin community inexplicably loves it

[balmy condor]

another fried take from varaas

[marble hemlock]

typical exsanguination is quite literally the process of opening someones veins to drain them of their blood. so combining vein ripper with exsang, and thus giving it its own CD button instead of being linked to vanish, would already work

[subtle tundra]

bloodfang

[strange python]

oh god i was looking at the wotlk talents just reminiscing

Hunger for Blood

lolol

[marble hemlock]

remove exsang, make it veinripper. thanks.

[dark token]

i agree its not great to have a pseudo utility/dps cooldown button, it would be great if vanish is seperate from damage but that very rarely happens

see: past tier sets, effects like count the odds, subterfuge, master assassin, etc

[main solar]

Stop tying so much to vanish imo

[subtle tundra]

extremely good point

leave vanish as a utility/small dps increase

but that wont be the case most likely in next expac

[marble hemlock]

vanish as utility is fine, which is where its at right now

[main solar]

its also just ridiculous if vanish is the starting point for like 20 different gameplay mechanics on the cooldown that it has.

[vestal wren]

is vanish that low impact on sin rn?

it seemed to me that it only is for sub

[marble hemlock]

yes

always has been, quite frankly

[dark token]

i mean you still use it in m+ with subterfuge dont you, but its not big

[marble hemlock]

it was only good in SoD cause MA+frostshards, and its good now cause MA+flag stacks

[marble hemlock]

i wouldnt

the damage gain of getting restealths or using vanish is incredibly small

[vestal wren]

could see it in m+

[marble hemlock]

even with SS it was barely worth

cause it came at the cost of not casting more EB foks

so vanish was mostly a prio damage spell

to get extra SS garrotes on high hp targets

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mLZ7sdb8wJ3uKWzQnmfxJB

seems rly low

i wonder how it is for sub

[dark token]

the other cool torghast power i will miss was unceasing chain link but it might be kinda hard to work into any rogue tree

in nerfed form you wouldnt notice it much because it wouldnt affect rotation, but in unnerfed form (enough where you change your rotation) it would be too strong

[manic walrus]

does unity still bug when you switch its gear spot?

[balmy condor]

yes

[manic walrus]

greaaaaat.

[strange python]

do rogues still have Deadly Brew?

[balmy condor]

it's a sub talent in 10.0

[strange python]

wtf

[balmy condor]

unless you mean the wrath talent

which is like when you apply your lethal you apply your non-lethal or whatever?

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZhmNzFKEiUyad7PiYNcM8

sub confirmed also low vanish impact

[strange python]

yes that

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah that doesn't exist

[strange python]

it needs to exist again

[balmy condor]

not really

[strange python]

it was an assassination talent

[main solar]

The crippling poison on deadly proc? that was a pvp talent a bit ago and got removed cause OP

[royal lantern]

why

[strange python]

because why not

[balmy condor]

because it does 0

you already have 100% uptime on all poisons

[royal lantern]

when assa allready has a high poison application chance

and envenom allready does it

[strange python]

o

[royal lantern]

why add a dead talent that does nothing then

[strange python]

alright carry on then

[balmy condor]

in 10.0 you have a 50% application rate baseline

80% with envenom

[royal lantern]

you only dont have a 100%poison uptime

when there is a mechanic that is forcing everyone away for 20+seconds lol

[marble hemlock]

remember when shiv was an ability that hit with your offhand and applied the poison you had applies to it, that had its energy cost lowered if it was a faster OH, and so you played a high attackspeed low ilvl weapon and spammed shiv because the poison did more damage than your regular builders?

[subtle tundra]

ofc i dont i didnt play in classic

[main solar]

Not that I'd want ANOTHER button to constantly press in the rotation, but thoughts on hemo and making it interesting somehow?

[strange python]

how do you like the standard rogue talents in dragonflight?

[main solar]

Its been beat to death, but talents themselves are good save for a couple things, the pathing and rigidity could use some work.

[meager granite]

Has anyone teste on alpha if exsang is reduicing deathmark's bleed which means the 15 sec where the bleeds are duplicated becomes 7,5 sec ?
Btw i like seli's take on changing exsang to veinripper effect (only if it applies only to gar, rupt and maybe ct)

[cerulean junco]

Deathmark is not working properly atm

[main solar]

there's a lot that doesnt work atm wont be able to really test much till atleast tomorrow's build

[manic walrus]

sin uses shadow core oil right?

[main solar]

pretty sure its sharpening stones, but its close

[limber lion]

Sin has never used anything else but sharpeninh stones and agi pots.

[frosty bridge]

but shadowcore oil and phantom fire add to frost set crit pool!

[gusty mirage]

you needed to high roll phantom fire for it to be any good

vs agility which buffs all your other damage

and is more consistent

[loud hearth]

Hi guys, looking for advice on Assassination burst window:

What is the correct option in this scenario: Burst Window, 5CPs, 6s Vendetta left, after 1st Rupture refresh (8s left) and 2nd CT refresh (4s left) (hope UI is readable).

• 1. If I envenom, my CT will expire but I will be forced to refresh Rupture + Garrote during the end of Vendetta instead of CT (basically missing CT for the last 5-6s of Vendetta).
• 2. If I CT immediately, I waste uptime on CT (it is not in pandemic yet).
• 3. If I hold for CT pandemic, I will cap energy and waste time of Vendetta + Flag buff window.

What do people normally do here? Envenom and just let CT drop (or pray you get 4 CP crit on Mut twice in a row to CT and Rup back to back inside last secs of Vendetta?).

[distant mesa]

I know i'm not venthyr but is CT the least important to have refreshed for vendetta?

if you are

[loud hearth]

I know, but it's basically what is more worth between an Envenom (but drop CT) or "wasting" 2s of over-pandemic CT (over an envenom) to not cap energy

[distant mesa]

I dont wanna spread miss-Info, but if its the least important I'd Enven and refresh Rupt/Garrote

[harsh anchor]

I personally would envenom into a rupture gar and slap a ct on and if it's in ven window, cool, if not, cool.

[distant mesa]

thats what I'd do. dont know if thats right tho

but thats also just from reading what the prio list shows to do

[cerulean nest]

this is right

dropping CT during ven is the lowest priority

refreshing*

[loud hearth]

Okay, so let CT drop to not cap energy.
So does this happen to everyone else as well? It feels like a very repeatable scenario to me (especially noticeable on jailer opener where I lose 0.5 - 1 GCDs on the gateway after cloak).
I will 100% drop CT if I envenom there if I don't get back-to-back 4CP Muts after that env

[violet jackal]

the answer is 1

[cerulean nest]

refreshing garrote and rupture in the last few seconds of vendetta is so much more important than anything else, so as long as thats happening, if you waste one global/drop CT its still the right thing

[limber lion]

Envenom Mutilate Mutilate Rupture Garrote

Only press CT if it's in pandemic. During Vendetta/Shiv do not stall at all. If your CT is not in pandemic, even if it's 3s instead of 2s, you would use Envenom.

You never stop casting abilities during Vendetta, you spam your buttons as much as possible

you're pretty much gcd capped during it.

Grats! What is that?

[loud hearth]

@limber lion Thanks for detailed reply

[fleet anchor]

Rank 1 healing 😄

[limber lion]

np homie

[limber lion]

massive gaming

I'm a menace

[brazen zodiac]

looks good to me

epic stuff cev

[fleet anchor]

Cev sucks at healing

Needs more Leeching Poison in his life

[grim tangle]

lmao you're garbage

[limber lion]

epic would mean purple and I'm not seeing much purple

[limber lion]

it's true

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[grizzled jay]

menace deez nuts Cev

[limber lion]

any day

[jaunty crystal]

I got 5 r1 healing logs, AMA

[brazen zodiac]

green a pretty color tho

!!

[limber lion]

sheesh

you guys are crazy

[fleet anchor]

My healing parses bro

[jaunty crystal]

rank 3 in CN. You've fallen off.

[manic walrus]

should we use shiv off cd

[distant mesa]

hold shiv if Vendetta has 12s or less

otherwise blow iit

[manic walrus]

i popped shiv when vendetta was at 38 seconds and vendetta came off while shiv stil had 7 seconds left, do i hold vendetta at that point or just send?

[distant mesa]

ummm.... idk that one

[vestal wren]

making your guilds healer mains sweat

[distant mesa]

but I'd hold that too

just line em both up

if its close

dont wanna spread the miss-info, someone help me if thats wrong

[manic walrus]

in the vendetta window you kinda just keep pressing bleeds instead of envenoms right? or do we try to get envenoms in there for buff

[grizzled jay]

Best thing to do is to look at the timeline of some top logs to see what they generally do

Or look at the APL

[jaunty crystal]

you'll generally only press it 1-2 times. Depends on a few factors though.

as tmb said check out some logs and/or the APL

[vast loom]

theres 2 reasons to press envenom, you need to get Slice duration up, or no other bleeds are in pandemic/off

[limber lion]

No you send Vendetta.

Daily reminder that Vendetta lasts for 20s and Shiv lasts for 9s

It does not matter whether you use Shiv in the beginning of Vendetta, in the middle of it or the last 9s of it.

[balmy condor]

Wrong, just send

Always send

[distant mesa]

thats why I said help me if I was wrong

thanks

[balmy condor]

No

Problem

[limber lion]

You just follow normal bleed pandemic rules.

[balmy condor]

Vend sync to flag, shiv sync to nothing, whenever flag and vend are up together, you follow the picture in the faq, maintain rupture over CT, envenom as a filler or to maintain slice and dice, maintain garrote

Congrats you have now played Assassination rogue in 9.2

[limber lion]

If only

[grizzled jay]

What if I let SnD fall off and just use MfD for it

[limber lion]

No

[grizzled jay]

[balmy condor]

I guess I didn’t mention to mfd between vends

[burnt latch]

I play the envenom build so i dont ever press rupture its good

[balmy condor]

Stay in LFR where you belong

[violet jackal]

[burnt latch]

R u sayin my content of choice doesnt matter

[balmy condor]

LFR is for dom shard drops

[burnt latch]

Not everyone has time for top end raiding like u guys 😦

Proggin lfr is nice for my schedule

[balmy condor]

30 min once a week?

[viscid spear]

Bro we're dps, it takes 45min just for one wing queue to pop

[violet jackal]

looks like you got time for some high end raiding

[burnt latch]

2 hours on fridays, sometimes i play more on weekends

[burnt latch]

Thats not me

[gusty mirage]

smh

[burnt latch]

multispeak freak-a-zoid healing god

[ebon notch]

officially recognised nocco substitute

dont forget

[gusty mirage]

I like your golf cart

[burnt latch]

true, sometimes when the kids go to bed early i help my friends

[burnt latch]

thank u sir its brand new

SHEEEEEESH

[ebon notch]

whats your raiding schedule next season

did they say

[burnt latch]

any R1 healers

[burnt latch]

they said we will be raiding a lot today but i dont know if it was a meme or not

[ebon notch]

today?

[burnt latch]

no official announcement yet

ye like on voice today

[ebon notch]

ooo

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/monka-steer-pepe-pepe-the-frog-gif-19881925

omw to rank 1 assa rogue

(just depleted a 26 mists)

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[burnt latch]

good luck Varas @subtle tundra i hope u have a great time doing that Varas

[brazen zodiac]

wouldn't deplete if sub

jk hf varas

glgl

[subtle tundra]

factually wrong

[brazen zodiac]

xdd

[subtle tundra]

could've been god himself and it would've been a deplete

[brazen zodiac]

lmfaoo

god wouldn't have let it get that far thi

tho

miss a kick? to hell!

[burnt latch]

ill help u time key

i do the big damages

[burnt latch]

god damn

thats some unethical leeching poison gameplay

i respect it

[jaunty crystal]

naw nothing unethical. Dont even have that much leech. I probably just get hit too often and use crimson vial a lot 😛

[burnt latch]

based

[subtle tundra]

bro i should've made a warlock and be rank 1 affli

what the fuck

[frosty bridge]

Lul

[ebon notch]

easy rank 1

[jaunty crystal]

damn lol.

[burnt latch]

SHHHHEEEESH

[gusty mirage]

my only r1 ever

and its a healing parse

[ebon notch]

brotherman

can we get you a r1 this season?

let me help you

[gusty mirage]

you mean the one that ends tonight?

after I already full cleared?

and your boy cev getting fed externals?

[ebon notch]

nono next season

[gusty mirage]

no

[burnt latch]

@limber lion

[ebon notch]

he had to

[gusty mirage]

cause I don't care about next season

[burnt latch]

comments

[ebon notch]

he had to prove how broken they were

[ebon notch]

cmon one rank 1

[gusty mirage]

no he didn't

[ebon notch]

then you retire

[ebon notch]

why not

[gusty mirage]

because it was already known

lmao

what

[echo geyser]

i thought cev hated PI

[ebon notch]

now its known more

[ebon notch]

they roll it out to 2 people every week

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

in nocco

so he got chosen on that week

and then he sent it

he didnt request

[gusty mirage]

Cev was already smoking me before then

and you expect me to compete with him + externals?

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

you can do it

anyone can

it just takes more luck

and patience

[gusty mirage]

yeah I don't care enough about parses for that

for what

to post it around here so you guys can make me feel better that after 17 years I'm still playing this shit game?

[ebon notch]

whats wrong about feeling good

everyone deserves to feel nice

[gusty mirage]

because it's tied to something that's irrelevant in the grand scheme of life

[ebon notch]

yes but so is everything outside of eating and breathing and sleeping

[burnt latch]

we getting deep rn

[gusty mirage]

wrong

[burnt latch]

gandhi shit

[gusty mirage]

the stuff I do every day before I log in to this terrible game matters

[ebon notch]

if you dont do those things you die my guy

[gusty mirage]

the only thing wow has brought me are people I can call good friends

and even then, if I quit tomorrow, I'd still be friends with them

[ebon notch]

thats a bountiful gift

[gusty mirage]

parses are whatever

idc

[ebon notch]

people spend their whole life trying to make friends

[burnt latch]

who is that

[gusty mirage]

whether I get an 80 or a 100

[ebon notch]

and struggle greatly

[jaunty crystal]

I'd care about parsing if I ever found a guild that doesn't stop full clearing when they unlock the skip 😛

[ebon notch]

spiderman

[burnt latch]

who tf is spiderman

[gusty mirage]

rhymes with Reverion

[burnt latch]

why is it anonymous

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

its batman

[grim tangle]

he doesn't want people to see all his PIs

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

ur gonna summon him

[burnt latch]

@limber lion whats going on here

[subtle tundra]

nocco LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[burnt latch]

i drank a nocco today

[jaunty crystal]

yea I was sad when he hid his rankings 😦

[gusty mirage]

quiet monk main

abandoned us for greener pastures

[subtle tundra]

tomorrow is the last day you can call me that

[gusty mirage]

left us dealing with daps all by ourselves

[ebon notch]

wtgf

dfsaf

[subtle tundra]

also, whats with this log watching?!?!

stalker

[ebon notch]

bro who didnt logwatch cev

[gusty mirage]

I didn't

you guys brought it up to me

I don't log watch anyone lol

[subtle tundra]

i never look at logs

[burnt latch]

my curiosity peaked when i found out theres a mystery man

[ebon notch]

apart from you oxi

[gusty mirage]

if I have a question I just ask the man directly

[subtle tundra]

maybe i should look at logs...

nah

[ebon notch]

you dont know how to look at logs

[subtle tundra]

that cringe

[gusty mirage]

if you need a run down on how to perform slightly above mediocre, peek at mine

[jaunty crystal]

I get shy so I just look at his logs instaed

[violet jackal]

I've only looked at cev's logs once

[gusty mirage]

good "how-to" on how to not play optimally

[subtle tundra]

i usually say i dont know how to look at logs so i dont have to

[ebon notch]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

based

okay guys

hear me out

one of the dinars I spend on the fatescribe trinket

and I use it to murder our DH

every time on sludgefist

[burnt latch]

good plan

but

have u looked at cevs logs

[gray crest]

Not if he kills you first oxi

[burnt latch]

does he do that

[gusty mirage]

he can't

[woeful meteor]

No more Raiding on Sin pls 🙂

[bleak sky]

@ebon notch I'm BIG HYPED to play outlaw tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

are you tho

[burnt latch]

new here?

[subtle tundra]

cap

[bleak sky]

that cb aura with the lightning crackle is too good

[vestal wren]

sounds like something a rogue would do

[gusty mirage]

[gray crest]

To be fair, our dh does go out of his way to kill oxi on lords

[strange python]

Boys it's been real. See you all again in 10.0.

[bleak sky]

yes

what the fuck

[burnt latch]

Minalba : herb :

[jaunty crystal]

every dh terrors their melee friends

[burnt latch]

cute

[bleak sky]

let me add emotes to my name

[strange python]

We clown pirates for 12 weeks now

[gusty mirage]

let me help you out #outlaw <- click that

minalba doesn't know how to put emojis in his discord name

[burnt latch]

boys did u hear about the new hot boy on the block

[gusty mirage]

EVERYONE LAUGH AT HIM

HAHA

[ebon notch]

minalba finally msged me the other day like

"now i know why you were complaining about my procs"

[burnt latch]

n00b

[ebon notch]

mfer was losing like

5 procs a minute

[gusty mirage]

what

[ebon notch]

cause he wouldnt stop pressing sinister strike

so he saw my CB proc weakaura and realised his mistake

[burnt latch]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/ravencrest/Ragecieft hi guys new warrior here lf guild to raid the mystical raid and kill the biggset keys hmu

[ebon notch]

do u like energie drink

[burnt latch]

yes

best

[gusty mirage]

what

[ebon notch]

i have spot for u

[strange python]

I think Nexus sx is a good fit

[ebon notch]

join NOCOCO

[ebon notch]

what

[gusty mirage]

????

[jaunty crystal]

anvil needs a warrior

[ebon notch]

i dont udnerstand what you dont understnad

[burnt latch]

SOLD

[bleak sky]

cb procs -> pistol shot does big pew pew -> get more combo points

I was wasting all of those procs

ALL of those procs

[gusty mirage]

I don't understand what would possess you to think any of us asked

[bleak sky]

no wonder my damage was complete shit

[ebon notch]

ur mean

[burnt latch]

a lot of hostility in the air tonight

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[strange python]

Oxi you're not supposed to be tOXIc now that you're green

[bleak sky]

smh oxi jealous of my outlaw coach

[burnt latch]

i sell coach 2 years old little stain ok if u wash

[ebon notch]

i was even able to coach some sub today

only 50% of what i said was wrong

[bleak sky]

[ebon notch]

thats cursed

wtf

[burnt latch]

[spice spire]

[unreal crane]

can someone direct me to a good weakaura package for assassination?

[strange python]

Just browse wago for one you like, it's a lot of personal preference, so hard to say what will work for your eyes and brain

But most of us use the ceverion vendetta bleeds, which should also show up on wago, on top of a more general pack

[viscid spear]

[violet jackal]

Should probably be a command by now, that like the 12 time this week

[viscid spear]

Quite a bit of people wanting to try Sin for this last hurrah I guess

[unreal crane]

I was surprised it wasnt already listed somewhere

[gusty mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty mirage]

nab afenar's

it's finally updated to reflect the 4pc overhang as well

wait let me double check

no I lied

just use cev's rupture and garrote ones for afenar:
https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

[pure moth]

I tried dragging cevs to align with afenars wa. Now its just off to the side and doesnt look right. I wish there was an updated wa string

[copper hazel]

adjust it in the WA menu? with the X Y axis numbers?

so they all match

and size too

[oak sky]

@bleak sky BRO CHECK WOWHEAD LMAO

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

Realz certified NON OPP

So even if brand comes back it might not be that dogshit

[fleet whale]

Realz is a real one

Devs seem to be listening more during this DF alpha/beta

[oak sky]

Until.....

[balmy condor]

please move havoc conversation out of #vengeance

weird, that didn't hyperlink either

[oak sky]

It was important

[fleet whale]

Wow your name is still exsanguinate

[bleak sky]

ok mr exsanguinate (ex-cum)

[oak sky]

Minalba really needed to see that blue post

[balmy condor]

ping him in wow gen then

idk

or off topic

[oak sky]

I dont use wow gen

[balmy condor]

or dms

or literally anywhere else

[velvet bridge]

casual exsanguinate dance enjoyer

[oak sky]

It definitely shouldve been off topic but whats done is done

[dawn kelp]

Do we refresh CT during shiv windows?

[oak sky]

Yes

[grizzled jay]

you always maintain CT unless Rup is in Pandemic

[cinder scaffold]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[fading wigeon]

Who else is getting excited about 1 min vendetta on sludge tomorrow

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[oak sky]

Surely it will line up

[bleak sky]

it will

[fading wigeon]

Lol

It has to

Plz

[faint harness]

its not going to

unless you get fairies

[oak sky]

More importantly flag won't line up

[vast loom]

could that fight be a differnt build angle? for better lineups

[faint harness]

i think its definitely awkward

cus of the 50 second timings

ehh actually

you just hold on pull

so you hold both flag and vendetta on pull

and then i think it lines up

its 00:56-02:05-03:14

dont think you get a 4th

[vast loom]

i think cev said vend on pull

and it should line up

[faint harness]

can you get it below 1 min cd

[grizzled jay]

just get faeries

[faint harness]

like 56 second timer

[grizzled jay]

lol

[faint harness]

ye but what about flag then

do you just not play it

[grizzled jay]

fuck flag all my homies hate flag

go sepsis on that boss

[faint harness]

1:30 timer?

sounds awful

[grizzled jay]

ER :)

[faint harness]

[grizzled jay]

the animacharge lasts long enough they will be there durig 1m window after you rip it on cd

[faint harness]

just play the best soulbind i guess

[grizzled jay]

juiced Envs

[faint harness]

sounds awful

ER is a not a bursty covenant

some misconception about what the 7 cp finishers actually give you

maybe just send natty vendetta on pull

and flag the rest

[fading wigeon]

Damn that sucka. Guess I'll play sub :(

[faint harness]

sub has 0 burst

ur better off just playing whatever

even outlaw

[fading wigeon]

Ah ok

Thank you

[faint harness]

but idk, maybe cev has found tech to line up vendetta on cd

that doesnt require fairies

[fading wigeon]

Are you playing outlaw push?

[faint harness]

nah prob sub

but thats cus i playd sub on this when nathria was relevant

so already know the timings in my head

IF you can actually vendetta on cd, assa could be tempting for a speed rank

[grizzled jay]

i'll be Sin

[faint harness]

but like

you have around what, 50 seconds

to get it back in time

unless ur literal first gcd of the fight is vendetta

[grizzled jay]

MfD Rup Ven Mut Garr SnD

[gray horizon]

can i cloak off jailer MC?

or nah

[spice spire]

No

[gray horizon]

ok. saw a sham just not get it so wondered if it worked

but didnt want to have cloak up in case they need to kill me

lol

[spice spire]

Are you talking about the los?

[gray horizon]

no the rune MC

i know you can cloak the los

[spice spire]

Ye nah not the rune

[strange python]

you probably want to hold cloak for when you need it rather than burning it "in case of mc"

just don't get mc'd

burn BLIND "in case of MC"

[fading wigeon]

ah ok fair

I played aff back when CN was relevant, so trying to figure it out lol

man aff was so perfect then

[strange trail]

So I never raided in castle or SOD. Is there a guide or anything that goes over what talents, covenants you need for the bosses in those raids?

[oak sky]

Its pretty much same as now

[strange trail]

I mean idk the bosses at all. So idk when to switch to another covenant, talent, soulbind etc

Like if one boss has more aoe, and one is more ST

[fading wigeon]

check the pins, whispyr has some tips

[fading wigeon]

basically everything is the same as now

[violet jackal]

Guides are on youtube and wowhead you should be able to discern which are aoe fights and which are single target from them

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/823745790181900328/1003864395677442098/unknown.png

Cut it very close but we got there

[strange python]

Gz ninjapandaX

[balmy condor]

Gz

[balmy condor]

There’s a raid tips page being added to the wowhead guides for the old raids as well

But like the others have said, it’s basically just venthyr forever

There might be like one or two necro fights

But in general should be fine going venth start to finish

[brave gyro]

Gz dud! Always a nice feeling

[manic walrus]

You can cloak the first mc and you wont get circles or lines

[limber lion]

I had a bit of a breakdown few months back and decided to hide my wcl

[limber lion]

Yeah, you have to hold the first Vendetta/Flag, but if you send them on the pillar you should have em both for wvery pillar. Sludge charges once every 69 seconds which is plenty for Vendetta to come back up.

Flag is a bit scarier, but you could do a thing where you send Flag slightly before the first pillar and then move it closer and closer with every cast.

I highly doubt we'll get a 4th pillar but our rl omega disagrees. We'll see today, gon be interesting to see.

[obtuse robin]

looks like cev is back

[limber lion]

Sup

[obtuse robin]

cev any tech for vendetta on every pillar on sludge?

pretty plz

[limber lion]

Yes

Press it on the first pillar

Then you will have it for every pillar :)

[vestal wren]

it should line up naturally after first one

[obtuse robin]

hold for pillar

niiceee

[limber lion]

Pillars are 69s apart

Vendetta charges in like 55-58s

You got plenty of extra time to spare

You can yolo send Vendetta on pull as well, but that's a bit monkas

[jade abyss]

Pog

[limber lion]

Just drag it around and move it to the position you want? It's not thay difficult

Place it inside the Afenar pack and then copy the x/y positions from your old garrote/rupture weakauras to the new one

[limber lion]

Yeah they just give PI out to random people, no questions asked. Getting PI just made me hate it even more. I have bad gear, I play like a monkey and don't sigil/pot on pull and still parse well. It's so dumb.

What's the point blozord

[balmy condor]

Community issue

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

baseddd

[night delta]

Unpopular opinion : PI should just become the Bloodlust/Heroism of priest

no more favouritism

[limber lion]

I don't think essentially removing PI from the game is an unpopular opinion :p

[vestal wren]

a lot of ppl wouldn't mind of getting rid of externals

[steel ridge]

Yeah get rid of them

[frank axle]

does this also count during vendetta + shiv? env>ct?

[misty holly]

I think PI is a lot of fun. It's fun to give someone a little boost, it's fun to get it. It's just one more ability to use to help kill bosses.

The game shouldnt revolve around making parsing fair.

Parsing wasn't even a thing most people cared about for the first 5-10 years or wow.

[limber lion]

Yeah that is slightly outdated.

We maintain CT always

[balmy condor]

Good catch

[frank axle]

ok thanks

[limber lion]

@balmy condor have fun writing the entire FAQ again in Dragonflight

[balmy condor]

Well I already had a “with tier” sentence afterwords

But I just got rid of the non-tier stuff

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Tiers didn't also last for 8 months, where you're on farm for 5 months straight

Gets a bit stale

That's the time when you try to get better at your spec and improving, and logs/wcl are great tools for that, including parses.

Chasing higher parses gives a lot of people something to do during downtime, where farm would otherwise be super boring.

It's literally one or two abilities that ruin the parsing experience, surely you can come up with something else in place of it if you really need the experience of buffing someone up.

Priests aren't exactly jumping in their bootd whenever they get 10 whispers in a raid asking for a PI or feel that impactful when you just press the button when your weak aura tells you to press it

We have had a lot of newer Assassination players looking at logs of people getting PI's who play the spec very poorly, but because they're at the top of WCL they assume they're the creme de la creme, then they copy what they're doing and end up handicapping themselves further.

[echo geyser]

[limber lion]

Very few people actually boot up class discords and come here to ask questions, read pins or the faq, but a lot of people go to WCL to copy what the top players are using and doing

Like Peen in Castle Nathria who was violating several rotational rules, and then we had someone asking about his rotation multiple times a week - and those are only the people who actually came here to ask about it.

[echo geyser]

[misty holly]

Actually I would be totally cool with abilities that could easily be filtered in WCL. Like a buff that gives you 100 holy damage per hit for 30 seconds.

All the benefit of helping out and WCL could attribute it to the priest if they want

[limber lion]

Absolutely. Nothing wrong in the concept of buffing others, just the way it works now isn't great.

[vestal wren]

ranking without a way to separate externals makes it harder for people

But Wcl plans to have separated ratings for externals for mythic

[oak sky]

@vestal wren

[jade abyss]

In my opinion PI would be better when its a normal dmg buff like idk 15% dmg and not haste or something.

[uneven summit]

Fuus sheet looks pretty neck to neck on speccs in regards to raids in S4? or am i reading it wrong 🙂

[vestal wren]

yes

assassination might be a bit more behind in dungeons, but for raiding all 3 seem rly good

[mystic gate]

sub would be better then assa in a pure st fight with sylv dagger right ?

[frank axle]

sub and outlaw ld be better on ST with bis gear

[subtle tundra]

except assa is lower variance

and almost the same dps

[vestal wren]

probably not, given that the sims are with deeper dagger working on eon

both should be about on par

(patch nodes indicate that it might not work on eon anymore)

[silent parcel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fading wigeon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[fading wigeon]

Cev do you do this right before he charges or wait until he hits the pillar?

[mystic gate]

thats for the better i suppose

[limber lion]

Right before the charge or during it, but that's super minmaxy. Doesn't matter too too much, just ensures that the bleeds/poisons benefit from the Vendetta the very first tick Sludge hits the pillar while you're still running.

Might take 1-2s to get to the pillar depending on your positioning, team mate and where the soak lands. Sometimes the soaks are super troll and appear slightly out of Sludge's hitbox, but that shouldn't happen too often.

[fading wigeon]

Thanks so much cev

[pulsar apex]

Ello. Am I right from my understanding of this page: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities. That the only time I would use Ambush would be if I had <=3 CP and stealthed from vanish and am master assassin?

[gusty mirage]

What covenant are you playing?

If you’re playing venthyr you never use ambush

[pulsar apex]

just what i needed. cheers

[strange python]

some of these class discords absolutely suck dick

this one is great tho

they got dumb rules about dragonflight discussions in regular spec channels

[violet jackal]

Some people don't want to be spoiled

It also prevents confusions on current rotation / class information vs future information

[strange python]

i dont think there's much confusion

just read

words are difficult i guess

[icy agate]

places with like 4+ channels per spec 🥲

[royal lantern]

eh

class discussions are fine

story/raid stuff? nope, do a spoiler tag then

but if you dont wanna get spoiled about class changes(?????), maybe dont visit a place where people will talk about those changes

[icy agate]

talking about story in a class discord

[gusty mirage]

wow has a story?

[royal lantern]

the average wow player cant read, there is nothing to talk about anyway

[icy agate]

yes its "i was only trying to prepare you for me^2"

[gusty mirage]

[icy agate]

if galakrond tells us that he is trying to take over to protect us from || something || i'm going to do absolutely nothing

[royal lantern]

dude

spoiler tags pls

🙂

no need to be a dick about it

[ebon notch]

@vestal wren

do we really only gain 400 dps

in dslice as assa

venthyr

[vestal wren]

haha yes

its like ... nothing

i did check s3 sims too, and sin is fairly close to single target output in slice

sub/outlaw gain way more

[ebon notch]

you mean s3 to s4?

[vestal wren]

season 3

also only small gains from single target -> slice

[pulsar apex]

where can i find that sheet again?

im searching pins

found it

[vast loom]

yeah just !fuu

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[pulsar apex]

tyty

hmm so from my understanding NF is 3.79% behind Ven in S4

in ST

[vestal wren]

3.3%

so probably still a nice choice

[pulsar apex]

ah yes

with it being that close

and me only doing heroics. i think borders into what-do-i-find-more-fun territory.

[upper portal]

Are these Sims with double EON?

[vast loom]

i believe so

[limber lion]

Yes

[pulsar apex]

how am i using sepsis? with Ven every minute?

[limber lion]

Sepsis has 90s cd

So no

You press everything but Shiv on CD

Line Shiv with Sepsis/Vend

[pulsar apex]

ohhh Unity doesnt work like that for sepsis

[limber lion]

No, that's obedience

Toxic Onslaught is completely different

Vend Sepsis Shiv
Shiv
Vend Shiv
Sepsis Shiv
Vend Shiv
Shiv
Vend Sepsis Shiv

This is what your cds look like

Every 30s

[pulsar apex]

right

ty

[pulsar apex]

oh and as NF Ambush is back on right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[pulsar apex]

ok im seeing that pattern of CDs

on dummy

is the order you wrote the order im blowing them btw?

ie

Vend Sep Shiv

Vend before Sep before Shiv

[limber lion]

No just means when you use em

[pulsar apex]

k

[limber lion]

You use em together but the order doesn't matter

Sepsis before shiv is optimal

But that's about it

[pulsar apex]

great.

hmm i see when sepis "flourishes" i cant spend that on a "suberfuged" garrote

so im just rolling an Ambush in?

ty for all the help btw

[limber lion]

Yes you just ambush

[pulsar apex]

ok one last thing. promise.

when using vanish

i seem to have mushed my free sepsis ambush into my vanish ambushes

that feels bad

do i need to finish my subterfuged ambushes up before the sepis one pops?

oh wait i can do it after

i just need practice

sorry ramblings of a mad man

hmm i have no Septic Shock when switching

[brazen zodiac]

epic s4

[thorn fjord]

We failed S3 =(... We werent able to kill Jailer last night

Got him to 7% 3 times

feelsbadman

Oh nice Cev is green again!

[copper hazel]

[leaden hornet]

I don't get the FAQs rotation gif. It says flagellation into rupture into crimson thempest

You won't have CPs after rupture for tempest?

[thorn fjord]

MFD to CT

Flag rupture mfd CT

[leaden hornet]

Ahh at bottom kk

This is presuming slice is up and 5 cps going into the flaggelation

[balmy condor]

The second row is off gcd spells

Correct

[leaden hornet]

Thnx

[balmy condor]

If you’re doing a full opener you’d want to mut snd mut gar

[leaden hornet]

Would that gar at the end

Catch the 80%

Wouldn't gar sooner be safer

[balmy condor]

What

What 80% sorry

[leaden hornet]

The talent

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge?

[leaden hornet]

Increases it dmg by 80% from stealth right

[balmy condor]

We don’t run subterfuge

[thorn fjord]

Vamp boiz dont use Subterfuge

Necro boiz do

[leaden hornet]

Ahh kk

Master for the 50% crit then

Ok thnx

[thorn fjord]

yee

[leaden hornet]

What is purpose to vanish after the shiv to mutilate

I guess it means ambush

[violet hemlock]

Muta is better than ambush when playing master assass

[vast loom]

more CPs

from crits

after vanish you really want full uptime so you can Mut/finish/mut

and hopefully get 4 cp for each mut

[leaden hornet]

Ohh dam

Makes sense

Basically ignore ambush in raid

[violet hemlock]

Yeah we don't really ambush when using master assassin

[vast loom]

i dont have it bound on sin currently >.>

[violet hemlock]

U can think of some edge cases

But extremely edge cases

[grizzled jay]

Anything new in the alpha build

[vast loom]

nothing out yet

prob gonna be later cuz of s4 launcch

[grizzled jay]

kk

[foggy temple]

what's the best 30 talent to take for raiding?

[tacit leaf]

any other sin here forgets their poisons on target dummys then blames the game for venomous wounds not working?

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[wispy chasm]

Do we have max dps sims for sin yet?

[hollow river]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[wispy chasm]

ty boo ❤️

[hollow river]

Which row is that I forget

[foggy temple]

vigor, deeper or marked

[hollow river]

Mfd for Venthyr

And Crimson Tempest

[brazen zodiac]

deeper necro

[violet jackal]

@vestal wren what changed that every covenant uses crimson tempest in single target for season 4?

[steel ridge]

nothing, we used in Season 3 already

[kindred crescent]

for raid single target should i go CT or Poison bomb?

[violet jackal]

covenant?

[violet jackal]

3 covenant did not

[late needle]

is assassintion still going to be behind the other 2 rogue specs in M+?

[violet jackal]

yes

[late needle]

😦 sad face

[rugged brook]

sad indeed

[violet jackal]

If your goal isn't +25 and higher the difference is not relevant

[kindred crescent]

venthyt

[violet jackal]

crimson tempest then

[kindred crescent]

okay coolio ty

[subtle tundra]

Unfortunately outlaw will be better in any situation you'd play assa

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't play assa

[main solar]

You think there's a world we end up playing Necro most of this raid tier just because of all the fated affixes adding in some multi target elements?

[violet jackal]

I will be playing Necrolord all bosses because that my preference 🙂

[gusty mirage]

if you like necro play necro

it's a meme season

have fun with it

[thorny pond]

kyrian sin senpai?

[gusty mirage]

go for it

who the fuck cares lmao

these raids will be tuned so they get cleared in 1 week

[strange python]

were there any changes to assassination you wanted to see in dragonflight that aren't there?

[oak sky]

You talking about 1 week when actually you make my knees weak

[lucid birch]

WOAH

Talk to my rogue like that smh in a public channel

[oak sky]

All i want is to give oxi the love he deserves

[lucid birch]

True true

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Actually all i want is alpha

But i want this too

[gusty mirage]

same friend, same.

[strange python]

the return of kingsbane has me pumped af

[vestal wren]

the tier set

[violet jackal]

but the tier set was around in season 3 and some covenant were poison bomb in single target

[gusty mirage]

prior to the tier set they were a negligible dif in ST to begin with

so

[strange python]

how difficult is assassination to play right now?

[violet jackal]

1/10

[strange python]

im about to start one up

1/10 easy?

are demon hunters actually harder to play?

[violet jackal]

if 10 was super hard ready to quit the game delete my character hard

assassination is a 1

[obtuse robin]

def not a 1 with current tier tech

[gusty mirage]

no

[strange python]

how would you compare demon hunter and assassination rogue PvE difficulty?

[lucid birch]

Neither require literacy so

[strange python]

neat!

[violet jackal]

I was told havoc and Beast Mastery are 2 button rotations

[strange python]

demon hunter rotation is anti fun currently

[lucid birch]

If assassination is 1 then dh is -5 lol

[craggy oak]

not far wrong, however specs being simple is not a bad thing, some specs have to be easier than others, not everything can be hard

[lucid birch]

I wish it was!

[violet jackal]

yes lets all be min maxing shifting druids

[craggy oak]

but then the other argument is, specs, generally, are not as hard as they used to be back in the day

[lucid birch]

?

[strange python]

specs were never hard back in the day

[obtuse robin]

wot

[lucid birch]

Like classic one cast raid specs or

[strange python]

frost bolt

[craggy oak]

no then, let me clarify back in the day, i started in cata, my back in the day was not classic/bc which i think your reference point is

[strange python]

frost bolt

frost bolt

frost bolt

[lucid birch]

Lol

[copper hazel]

whats your point here

[strange python]

the point is

frost bolt