assassination

[balmy condor]

they aren't good questions

[limber lion]

Yeah I shave my beard voluntarily

[balmy condor]

but they are questions none the less

[limber lion]

that's why I don't have a beard

not because I can't grow it

[nova flax]

Shuddup baldy

[balmy condor]

yeah sure we all believe you

finnish beard genes right

[nova flax]

Europeans are all bald everyone knows this

[balmy condor]

very famous

[nova flax]

Look at preach

[limber lion]

Europeans

Preach

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

I mean americans are european if you back enough

[limber lion]

Rocking 7 pubic hair follicles on a good day

on my face that is.

[balmy condor]

lucky number

[royal lantern]

we all are apes if you go back enough

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[vestal wren]

highest american ancestry is german iirc

[balmy condor]

so you're saying furries are actually the most natural

[whole wadi]

google agrees with you

[viscid spear]

We are all single-cell organisms if you go back far enough.

🦠

[balmy condor]

florida biggest german influence

huh.

[viscid spear]

Closest US state to Argentina, plus it's sorta shaped like it

[balmy condor]

also weird how france doesn't even make the list

I would've thought some random state near canada

would've gotten some french over the years

[limber lion]

Japanese > French

[whole wadi]

they all fled the us after realising they might win the civil war

[royal lantern]

there are anthro cave paintings

we always existed

[whole wadi]

goddamn i hope kyrian wont be bis like ever, animacharges can go someplace special and stay there

[limber lion]

Increase Indiscriminate Carnage's range

[limber lion]

No worries there buddy.

[whole wadi]

especially after they nerfed the target cap

[ebon notch]

7? You a grower for sure

[limber lion]

I legit look 17 years old

but I'm 26

well I'll be laughing when I'm 50 looking like 30

[whole wadi]

more plates more dates

[ebon notch]

Better than growing out your beard and getting "randomly" searched every time you fly

I have to go baby faced through that scanner or I'm seen as a flight risk

[gusty mirage]

speak for yourself

[ebon notch]

Head pics 👀

[gusty mirage]

you know what I look like lol

[ebon notch]

Wait do I

[gusty mirage]

yes?

or are you a weirdo like seli who disables pfp

[oak sky]

:oxiPain:

[ebon notch]

You're looking rather 2d in your pfp rn

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Nice

[gusty mirage]

here

I got a good one for you

[oak sky]

Mr. Oxi is from that part of the world which means he unlocked the infinite hair hack

[gusty mirage]

so's daps

[ebon notch]

Yeah it's what part of the body it grows on ya feel

[gusty mirage]

fuckin everywhere bro

wdym

[ebon notch]

Hahahahaha

[viscid spear]

Dude looks like a walking Brillo pad

[oak sky]

I unlocked the 50% hair hack

Havent gone infinite yet

[ebon notch]

I'm still getting hair in new places btw

I'm almost 26

How

Is puberty not over or what

[oak sky]

I'm gonna be hairy

Its just a fact

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage here's a classic from JPCs chat https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/752496937609199708/975879333942014022/unknown.png

[gusty mirage]

why's everyone bullying james

wtf

also "are you wear hat cuz bald?"

[oak sky]

Poor guys catching strays

[viscid spear]

That when hair grow not head so hide hat

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

But if long of hair need brush back so hat head fit

[primal zinc]

can some1 explain me how does unity works?

[gusty mirage]

so it swaps to obedience/resounding clarity/deathspike/toxic onslaught depending on what covenant you are

[primal zinc]

im venthyr

[gusty mirage]

so you'd get the obedience legendary effect

unity was their way of allowing us to use 2 legendaries, with one of those always being your covenant ability legendary

[primal zinc]

let me check where obedience is

[gusty mirage]

obedience gives you versatility and CDR on flagellation on top of the haste buff it normally gives you

[primal zinc]

so after i use flag

i get a buff called obedience and increases the haste depending on the CP i use?

[balmy condor]

no

that's flag

baseline

[primal zinc]

yes

[balmy condor]

^ that's obedience

[limber lion]

You get this effect from Unity.

[primal zinc]

oh

cos it doesnt show anything on wowhead

xD

[balmy condor]

wdym

cev just screenshotted wowhead

[primal zinc]

i mean im on legte calculator

[balmy condor]

it's right there

but you can't equip obedience anymore

so kinda pointless

you're required to equip unity

[limber lion]

That's an interestingly useless tool.

[primal zinc]

so what benefits for unity?

[balmy condor]

unity gives you the effect of obedience

but if you swap covenants, it also gives you the effect of that covenant legendary

it's obedience but it swaps with you

[limber lion]

Wearing Unity allows you to use a second legendary on top of it.

[balmy condor]

you know it!

[primal zinc]

so if i go to the top of torghast what should i select?

OH

so u use unity to unlock obedience

[limber lion]

You do the ZM campaign to unlock a free Unity belt that you can use

Or you rep grind to get the recipe which you can then craft on anything

[primal zinc]

or anyway a 2nd leggo

[balmy condor]

unity is the only legendary that you can equip alongside another legendary

every other legendary is unique-equipped

[primal zinc]

oh ok

and why u cant have obedience anymore?

[balmy condor]

because that's unique-equipped with every other legendary

[limber lion]

Unity IS Obedience

[primal zinc]

so that mean no more 2 leggos?

[limber lion]

my guy

please.

.........

[balmy condor]

unity is your second lego

[primal zinc]

@limber lionim sorry i just returned to wow after a long break ❤️

[balmy condor]

you have 2 legendaries you can equip. One of them must be unity. The other is a choice between all the other legendaries

[vestal wren]

unity + <your choice>, for assassination it will be mostly dustwalkers

for outlaw it will be <greenskin or blunderbuss> + unity

for subtlety it will be <akaaris or finality> + unity

[limber lion]

It's okay, just make sure to read what's being said.

[primal zinc]

i dont care about mindless speccs

[limber lion]

We try to help, but you don't read what we say

[vestal wren]

haha, well whatever spec you like the most

[primal zinc]

i just dont understand crafting unity gives u obedience thats all cos atm im on wowhead and there are 2 different icon/names for it

kinda confused

[limber lion]

Unity is Obedience

again

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/unlocking-double-legendaries-shadowlands-patch-9-2

[vestal wren]

unity basically has a effect based on your covenant

[primal zinc]

but...

http://prntscr.com/tuDfP5fm5hnX

[vestal wren]

and given that the legendary was introduced as a replecement for the covenant specific legendary powers

[limber lion]

Yes

you use Unity

not Obedience

Obedience was a legendary we used in 9.1

but we don't use it anymore

[vestal wren]

you also have the individual powers too

[limber lion]

because we HAVE TO use Unity

and UNITY IS Obedience

The Obedience legendary is dead

and you don't make it

or craft it

or anything

you make a unity

and use it

because like we said

unity

is

obedience

[primal zinc]

o

k

now

[limber lion]

it automatically changes

[primal zinc]

i

[limber lion]

between all covenants

[primal zinc]

got

[limber lion]

depending on which covenant you are

[primal zinc]

it

[limber lion]

venth is obe

you change to necro

and then your unity

poof

changes automatically

to deathspike

then you switch to venthyr

and it automatically changes

to obedience

[copper hazel]

i feel like im reading text messages from my mum

[limber lion]

poof

[primal zinc]

poof

obedience

im gonna rename my rogue

to either unity or obedience

anyways

and i guess the best simed leggo is the vendetta right?

[limber lion]

yes

unity + duskwalkers

[primal zinc]

does mutilate bleed works with the set bonus tho?

i mean the leggo

doomblade

[limber lion]

yes

but it's bad

so we don't use it

[balmy condor]

doomblade also wouldn't really gain any damage from the tier set

it already is a rolling dot

so compressing it does very little

[primal zinc]

cos u spam mutilate

ye

[balmy condor]

yes but it's a rolling dot

regardless of mutilate spam

[limber lion]

it works like ignite

compound mechanics

[balmy condor]

you don't ever lose damage on it

it just compounds itself, instead of overriding

[primal zinc]

neither gain much

[balmy condor]

it would gain much more if it overwrote

cause you would be constantly clipping the bleed

[primal zinc]

ive been watching some vis the other day of rogues m+ and raids and i was wondering why vendetta has 1.40 cd or 1.30

[balmy condor]

duskwalkers

and it's 1 min

[primal zinc]

ye ye

[limber lion]

lol

[primal zinc]

what?

waht u mean 1 min?

[limber lion]

vendetta is under 1 minute

with duskwalkers

[balmy condor]

the cooldown on vendetta with dusk

is 1 min

roughly

[primal zinc]

oh

i thought it was 1 min

cos i remember it was 2 min cd

[limber lion]

????????

[balmy condor]

yes

[copper hazel]

it is 2 mins

[balmy condor]

it is a 2 min cooldown

[copper hazel]

it gives DR

CDR

[balmy condor]

the legendary reduces it to 1 min

[primal zinc]

ye ye

[limber lion]

where did you get 1.40 or 1.30 from then

if you knew it was 2mins

[vernal adder]

[copper hazel]

baddie rogues

[limber lion]

or 1min

[primal zinc]

said i was watching a vid

of other baddie rogues

[limber lion]

yeah so you were watching a video

of someone not playing Duskwalkers

because the cooldown of Vendetta is 2 minutes

and it lasts for 20 seconds

so once it ends

it has a 1min 40s cooldown

[primal zinc]

maybe

xD

there was some 32s

but i guess they were crappy

[balmy condor]

I'm lost

[primal zinc]

1 min 32s

[copper hazel]

that would be omega bad play

like, they died play

[balmy condor]

yeh

[red tinsel]

Tbh I don't even feel like going all the way the tree to get Tea, I'd rather get both Vigor and Deeper

[primal zinc]

agreed

[red tinsel]

Good, yeah, fun? Not so much tbh

[primal zinc]

any worthy ssin u guys suggest watching play?

[limber lion]

depends what content you wanna watch

[primal zinc]

except me in 2 weeks

😛

m+/raid

mostly m+

raid is too easy for me

[limber lion]

too easy

[copper hazel]

damn

[limber lion]

[primal zinc]

kidding lol

[copper hazel]

got ourselves a bad ass over hereeeee

if its lfr raid, it makes sense i guess

[primal zinc]

no no i was joking

i like m+ and raiding

got any1 in mind?

[copper hazel]

im not sure many people stream as sin much

seli maybe

[primal zinc]

i will follow subscribe and donate 500

(and now all of sudden i get spammed with links)

[limber lion]

I'll be streaming the raids next season probably

on Wednesdays

[copper hazel]

Whispyr if hes not writing up to deadlines 😄

[limber lion]

for m+ Varas does some streams, but that's about it

[gusty mirage]

[copper hazel]

yeh that was a big maybe 😄

[ebon notch]

????

[limber lion]

Yeah Seli hasn't done a single dungeon in like a year

[gusty mirage]

I can't remember the last time seli streamed

[ebon notch]

really?

[limber lion]

ya

[ebon notch]

SHESH

[limber lion]

if computer doesn't explode

that's the only thing

[copper hazel]

damn selis washed

[fleet whale]

There aren’t many PvE rogue streamers in general

[gusty mirage]

Cev's going to steal my 5 viewers

[ebon notch]

we can optimise settings if you want

[limber lion]

my biggest issue in SoD was the fps issues, but I haven't had any in a long time

[gusty mirage]

oh sweet child

this man plays on a toaster

[limber lion]

but we'll see what happens when we get there again

[fleet whale]

Just upgrade your PC, pc parts are dropping

[copper hazel]

the sylvanas openers when it was dropping fps was hell on earth

[ebon notch]

his specs arent that bad

its just the CPU im pretty sure

[primal zinc]

WTF????????????????

With the 4 piece, it's important to cast bleeds before Vendetta drops off. The conditions for this requires 3 or less seconds remaining on Vendetta. From there:
If Rupture has 8 seconds or less remaining, refresh it.
If Garrote has 7 seconds of less remaining, refresh it.

snapshot is back?

[limber lion]

Yes

[balmy condor]

yes

[gusty mirage]

never forget the random 10s of just FPS drop on pull

[primal zinc]

❤️

[limber lion]

Yeh, could use a better CPU and a motherboard as well

[ebon notch]

blizzard: "turns out that loading the entire fight on pull was detrimental to performance"

[limber lion]

My cpu is honestly decent

but WoW is a dumb game

[copper hazel]

id tell my raid leader im just going to stand there and wait and then shadowstep when it stops dropping frames lol

[limber lion]

could play it with a potato gpu if you have a godlike cpu

[gusty mirage]

considering that wow is very cpu heavy this is a great guess

[ebon notch]

swap off elvui

[limber lion]

nope

[gusty mirage]

based

[limber lion]

I'll give the Dragonflight UI a go

[balmy condor]

@ebon notch I think your computer could use a new user

[gusty mirage]

GOT EM

[limber lion]

but eh

[ebon notch]

what

[karmic cradle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

he's saying the person using your computer needs to be replaced

[balmy condor]

no no, he's making my point for me

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

😦

[fleet whale]

You still need a decent ish GPU for WoW. Like even if you have i9 12900k, you won’t be able to play in high settings if your using like a 950 gpu

[vast loom]

PEBCAC (“problem exists between chair and computer”)

[limber lion]

Yeah I think my 2070 Super will suffice

[gusty mirage]

where am5 socket?

[limber lion]

even my processor should be good enough

fucking

amd ryzen 5 3600 6-core 4200 MhZ

??

[balmy condor]

3090 TI founders super edition waterblock overclock undervolt underpants honey nut cheerio gpu

or bad

[gusty mirage]

seems fine

not sure why you run into such bad issues streaming, gotta be an obs setting

[fleet whale]

Apparently the rumored 4090 may draw 800 watts of power alone lol

[gusty mirage]

if I can manage on a 7th gen i7 you should be perfectly fine

[limber lion]

nono it's not even streaming

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I used to have super duper bad problems with fps in WoW alone

without even opening up my stream

[gusty mirage]

ngl

[limber lion]

but streaming just killed it

[gusty mirage]

might have something hogging cpu in the background

[balmy condor]

skill diff, unlucky

[limber lion]

fucking 12 fps on Remnant

[ebon notch]

its all the bitcoin mining

[fleet whale]

Close down chrome

Hogs up ram

[gusty mirage]

I was running into huge performance issues and it was some fuckin piece of shit asus software

[limber lion]

I had some issues with ram previously

which was interesting

[gusty mirage]

just hogging 40% of my cpu

[ebon notch]

i wonder if i go 64 gigs of ram

[copper hazel]

chrome is a bad one for ram for sure

[gusty mirage]

I don't even remember what the program was

[balmy condor]

my laptop runs alpha at 80fps with.............. NINETY CHROME TABS

[limber lion]

like this is my current state with nothing else but chrome and discord on

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

keep yourself safe

[limber lion]

mega chilling

[limber lion]

an actual fucking menace

[ebon notch]

i dont think thats number of tabs

[gusty mirage]

ye something's.... odd

[copper hazel]

wtf is this witchcraft

[ebon notch]

firefox says 11 rn but i only have 8 tabs open

[fleet whale]

You think 256gigs of ram is enough for wow?

[balmy condor]

any guide writers in chat

[limber lion]

nope

:)

[gusty mirage]

I don't think 1TB of ram is enough for Mr. 91 tabs

[ebon notch]

i think your extensions and shit count towards processes

[copper hazel]

all of your drafts that you need to keep updating whispyr

[balmy condor]

do you want me to count daps

[fleet whale]

And whisp are those wowhead tabs all the talent builds you are making?

[balmy condor]

I'll count

[balmy condor]

some talent builds, some draft guides, a lot of lookups for trinkets/spells

[ebon notch]

yes pls

for science

[gusty mirage]

have you considered new windows to better organize that disaster?

[balmy condor]

it's 91

[balmy condor]

that's the fun part, I do have new windows

one for each draft

[gusty mirage]

[copper hazel]

just finish the draftsss

[balmy condor]

I did

it's all turned in

[copper hazel]

oh sweet

[balmy condor]

due date was yesterday

[copper hazel]

nice 👍

[balmy condor]

I just haven't closed out yet

[copper hazel]

im looking forward to Realz reading it and using his lil red pen to make adjustments after changes in the next build

[ebon notch]

thats dedication

[balmy condor]

I'm looking forward to Realz reading it and going "he already complained all of this and I said probably not"

we do a little

[copper hazel]

did you manage to find complaints in the end

[balmy condor]

oh plenty

I looked deep within my soul

(it's all anger)

[copper hazel]

[balmy condor]

(I'm like the hulk except I'm just fat)

[gusty mirage]

you're not even fat

[balmy condor]

I'm by definition 5 pounds overweight

[gusty mirage]

if you're fat I'm morbidly obese

checkmate

[balmy condor]

for the last 15 years my grandma keeps telling me to eat more

[gusty mirage]

listen to gam gam she's right

[balmy condor]

this year I show up and she goes "wow you're fucking fat"

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[balmy condor]

and then she pulled my dad aside about her being concerned for my health with how fat I am and how it can lead to heart problems and diabetes

because I am 2 whole fucking kilograms above a normal weight

unreal

[marble hemlock]

lmao

[balmy condor]

literally before she said hi

she goes "you grew in the wrong direction"

[copper hazel]

grandmas are harsh man, they dont give a fuck. Straight up give it out both barrels, no holding back

[fleet whale]

Say you gained that weight in muscle

There you go, problem solved

[balmy condor]

yeah and then she looks at my belly

and then what

[fleet whale]

Say genetics

[marble hemlock]

psure she can still see

[copper hazel]

power belly

literal strongman thing

they got huggeeee bellies but its all power and muscle

[gusty mirage]

hi seli

[sick aspen]

yeah man, just go pull a truck for her

[balmy condor]

sorry grandma it's called a dad bod, all the women love it these days, you have no bitches

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn't be surprised if you said that to her

[marble hemlock]

id be careful about that last one

thats how you get your granny to tell you about her sexual exploits

[balmy condor]

no that's how I get her to shit on my dad

[gusty mirage]

poor Papaspyr

[balmy condor]

she often goes "I only have one son, and look what he does"

[ebon notch]

guys i have a slightly off topic question sry to disturb

what are the pandemic timers during vendetta

[gusty mirage]

as we talk about whispyr's family members

[balmy condor]

check faq, L bozo

[gusty mirage]

got em

[marble hemlock]

half of the timers they are outside of vendetta

[gusty mirage]

god

[oak sky]

3.6 and 2.7 or something

[gusty mirage]

I was going to hit him with "take the normal ones and halve them"

[ebon notch]

[gusty mirage]

are we just assholes?

nice new name @ebon notch

[balmy condor]

this channel is OT because I've actually ascended all the resources into the pins and faq

there is no conversation required anymore

[ebon notch]

how did you answer this question so quickly

[balmy condor]

this channel does not need to exist

[ebon notch]

ive been saying this for months

we still got the 1984 post from oxi

this spec is solved

[gusty mirage]

it's still relevant

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

I'm a loser

[gusty mirage]

if someone's asking a question

you answer it

[ebon notch]

cope

[subtle tundra]

[ebon notch]

sorry yes i agree

pls dont ban

[marble hemlock]

Hi, I don't know English so I'm writing through a translator. Thanks to your stream, I realized that the robber in liquidation is very strong in the keys. I probably shouldn't have become a cuthroat Highwayman. I'll try to play s4 robber in the branch liquidation.

[fleet whale]

Will exsanguinate get a new icon?

[oak sky]

I'm playing robber in liquidation

[gusty mirage]

I made that post because someone was asking a question, and people ignored the fuck out of him AND drowned it out with shit posting

[balmy condor]

no why would it

[gusty mirage]

so the passive aggressive "gotchas" from the regulars are starting to get old

🙂

[fleet whale]

Cause it’s an ugly icon

[copper hazel]

maybe like a do not use icon with a red line through it

[balmy condor]

or maybe like

[gusty mirage]

also if my "1984 post" bothers you so much @ebon notch try complaining to one of the shadowblades instead of bitching about it publicly

[balmy condor]

what

no

don't send him to me

I don't want him

[gusty mirage]

try zine out

it'll work out wonderfully for you

I promise

[fleet whale]

Is zine still around

[gusty mirage]

define still around

[balmy condor]

@rigid mango are you still around

if you hear me

show me a sign

[copper hazel]

does DnD block @s

[fleet whale]

What

Oh nvm

[balmy condor]

it blocks the sound

[fleet whale]

I thought DND meant death and decay lol

[copper hazel]

[fleet whale]

But yeah I think if you used Death and Decay on someone’s house they prolly won’t disturb you anymore

[ebon notch]

it doesnt bother me sir i was memeing

im sorry 😦

[rigid mango]

Paused my set for this

[gusty mirage]

hi ur cute

[vast loom]

saw someone paint their own version of a tree so i decided to do it too 🙂

[grizzled jay]

Hello

[supple topaz]

Use this acronym daily for work. Especially in details visible to customer.

[viscid spear]

Sir I use a standing desk

[balmy condor]

Idk if I like this

The cttc moving and connectors are fine

But all 3 capstones one choice is weird

[vast loom]

we already can only pick 1

[balmy condor]

You can pick KB and Carnage

[vast loom]

unless its KB and IC which i feel is hella niche

[balmy condor]

Idk how niche that really is

You get zoldyck and good single target burst

Sounds good to me

Well rounded build for aoe and single target

Probably the least niche thing imaginable

[marble hemlock]

think people overvalue double poisons a bit

its nice but like

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so

[marble hemlock]

what does that extra energy translate into

[balmy condor]

If anything it’s undervalued

[marble hemlock]

and the extra dam can easily be tuned to be competitive to KB raw dam

glad were on the same page whispyr

[balmy condor]

Instant poison was doing 12% dps seli are you high

That’s without the extra energy

Just raw damage

Plus lethal dose which isn’t implemented

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JdTUg/dd28b9c6cb.png

[balmy condor]

Sure

But then your statement is equally stupid

[marble hemlock]

obviously its gonna be big

[vast loom]

Idk i just felt like with the current tree we just rush it down to a capstone, even if we dont want the things between, the choice of KB is a 8 point choice, yes we get extra stuff but not all of it is shit we necessarily wanted

[marble hemlock]

but im guessing so will KB

[balmy condor]

KB would have to be stronger than any covenant ability for any rogue spec in any shadowlands patch ever was

Kingsbane will get buffed and pumped for sure

But that’s high hopes man

Didn’t even do that much in legion

But yeah idk

Kingsbane and carnage together

[strange python]

the spec was very different in legion though

[balmy condor]

Sounds good for m+

[strange python]

didnt have deathmark or anything

[marble hemlock]

that shouldnt be too hard

considering all our cov abilities suck major dick

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

im just worried double poisons might be too mandatory

why even have carnage/kb at that point

but yeah

you get my point

[balmy condor]

You literally just said people overvalue it

[marble hemlock]

fuck exsanguinate

[strange python]

ideally youd be able to spec into two capstones to solve that issue

[rigid mango]

Mfw when oxi ping

[marble hemlock]

ill stand by it just to see if i was on the right side of history

double poison overrated

[balmy condor]

Seli can you pick a side

People say it’s too strong
Worried it’s mandatory
I’m gonna stand by it, overrated

[marble hemlock]

yeah

its good but still overrated

[balmy condor]

Is that why no one has been talking about it

[marble hemlock]

those 3 statements arent mutually exclusive

:^)

[balmy condor]

And everyone’s focusing on kingsbane and carnage

Because double poisons is overrated

[vast loom]

cuz the idea of KB is actaully fun instead of just a passive dmg increase capstone. But maybe KB is just fun as an idea

and the energy/synergy of DTB is fun

in actual gameplay

[marble hemlock]

stop making sense whispyr

it doesnt suit you

[balmy condor]

[fleet whale]

I call this build "the too many keybinds" build
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/BPFVERBERWCJUEQSJAMVSoERVShBUHBBA

[vast loom]

I think the main issue with KB + IC is that you essentially make 2 choices

on the tree

where does my 1 extra point go in the middle

and do i take EP or CTTC

my version you can do a dashing + zold + IC build

or a no Dashing DTB

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait for “does dance ER sepsis kingsbane blindside sim properly? It used a shiv charge during dance, ambush is better there no?”

[fleet anchor]

12% from IP sounds high.

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

It didn't look like IP was added to Mastery yet? Unless that got hotfixed in this week

[strange python]

imagine an exsang

but for poisons

[balmy condor]

It might’ve

Idk

It’s also 12% compared to like

Nothing else doing damage

[fleet anchor]

Name             : Deadly Poison (id=2818) [Spell Family (8)] 
Class            : Rogue
School           : Nature
Spell Type       : Melee
Range            : 100 yards
Duration         : 12 seconds
Affecting spells : Venomous Totem (23726 effect#2), Master of Subtlety (31665 effects: #1, #2), Envenom (32645 effect#3), Mastery: Potent Assassin (76803 effects: #1, #2), Subtlety Rogue (137035 effects: #1, #2), Outlaw Rogue (137036 effects: #1, #2), Assassination Rogue (137037 effects: #1, #2), Shadow Dance (185313 effects: #4, #5), Ruthless Precision (193357 effect#1), Elaborate Planning (193641 effects: #1, #2), Master Poisoner (196864 effects: #1, #2), Symbols of Death (212283 effects: #1, #2), Toxic Blade (245389 effect#1), Master Assassin (256735 effect#1), Shiv (319504 effect#1), Master Assassin's Mark (340094 effect#1), Deathly Shadows (341202 effects: #1, #2), Lethal Poisons (341539 effect#1), Deathly Shadows (350964 effects: #1, #2), Grudge Match (364668 effect#1), Virulent Poisons (381543 effects: #1, #2), Improved Poisons (381624 effect#1), Cold Blood (382245 effect#1), Dark Brew (382504 effect#1)

Name             : Instant Poison (id=315585) [Spell Family (8)] 
Class            : Rogue
School           : Nature
Spell Type       : Melee
Range            : 100 yards
Affecting spells : Master of Subtlety (31665 effects: #1, #2), Subtlety Rogue (137035 effects: #1, #2), Outlaw Rogue (137036 effects: #1, #2), Assassination Rogue (137037 effects: #1, #2), Shadow Dance (185313 effects: #4, #5), Ruthless Precision (193357 effect#1), Elaborate Planning (193641 effects: #1, #2), Symbols of Death (212283 effects: #1, #2), Master Assassin (256735 effect#1), Master Assassin's Mark (340094 effect#1), Deathly Shadows (341202 effects: #1, #2), Deathly Shadows (350964 effects: #1, #2), Cold Blood (382245 effect#1), Dark Brew (382504 effect#1)

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk then

[fleet whale]

it will prolly be put in the mastery eventually

[fleet anchor]

Not even affected by Shiv atm lol

[balmy condor]

I can go back through my logs later

[fleet whale]

those seem like oversights

[balmy condor]

But it was cranking

[fleet anchor]

I mean I think they are oversights for sure with the swap over to IP being available without being replaced

Just not quite sure how it gets to 12% without it

I assumed if it was that high it was due to being buffed up by Mastery/Shiv

Unless Assassination just does negative damage now

Which is possible

[balmy condor]

When you get a poison it doesn’t add it to the spellbook dropdown list either

[fleet whale]

SL launch all over again

[balmy condor]

That’s the biggest mistake

They get added as standalone buttons

[fleet whale]

DTB may make mastery king again

[balmy condor]

There’s a couple things that seemed fishy damage wise

Fok was my highest damage in dungeons by like a very large amount

[fleet anchor]

Ok, I'm imagining a button that doesn't do anything for poisons at all. Now what? 😄

[balmy condor]

I ended some dungeons with upwards of 25% fok damage

[fleet whale]

FoK dealing damage is a good change

[fleet anchor]

I don't think FoK coefficient was buffed though was it?

So FoK dealing damage probably means nothing else is

[balmy condor]

No it’s just the damage tuning is all over the place from what I could tell

Like taking all the garrote nodes made it look more like shrouded bfa numbers

[fleet anchor]

FoK being high damage is probably a bad sign 😄

[balmy condor]

But then fok right there #2

[fleet anchor]

I'm going to start digging into this tonight or tomorrow in terms of the full spell data picture

[balmy condor]

Look on the bright side, hidden blades dead

[fleet anchor]

I suspect there are some Rank 2s that may be "missing" lacking being merged in that are important

Many classes having that issue atm

[balmy condor]

Oh there definitely are

[fleet whale]

I'm gonna miss stealth poisons
by far the most impactful perk in SL

[fleet anchor]

Also quite possible stuff is just broken because alpha things but I can't test myself yet so oh well

I'm just assuming most everything is broken atm just because it's so early 😄

[balmy condor]

Heal evoker does top damage in dungeons atm

[fleet anchor]

Also a fair amount of NYI marked stuff so

[balmy condor]

They just stack up their breath thing and then one shot a pack

And then repeat 3 min later

[fleet anchor]

Just go improved Ambush and get your 100 CP Ambush!

ez

[balmy condor]

That already got fixed

[fleet whale]

Early MoP Mistweaver Monk vibes

[fleet anchor]

RIP

[strange python]

btw why are there no nodes on the tree enhancing crimson tempest when sub has several enhancing shuriken storm as an aoe combined with black powder?

[gusty mirage]

shuriken storm isn't a finisher

[fleet whale]

I guess sub does have Deeper daggers and finality though
both which buff Black Powder
At the same time, sub doesn't have a talent that buffs Secret tech

[strange python]

sorry, re-phrased

[vast loom]

we have things that passivly buff CT

[rotund oak]

Assa main for s4

[vast loom]

like lethal dose

[rotund oak]

calling it 4 days b4 the storm

:3

[strange python]

Referring to nodes like this.

[vast loom]

we have stuff that buffs FoK

[fleet anchor]

I mean the value in Silent Storm is mostly in FW uptime is it not?

[fleet whale]

does SnD increase energy regen for sin again in DF? The perk is listed in wowhead

[marble hemlock]

yes koji

[earnest remnant]

yes

[timid cloud]

What’d I miss, lads?

[marble hemlock]

someone who asked. theyre gone now. sorry.

[ebon notch]

wtf seli

harsh

[timid cloud]

SBS is dead, Seli, no amount of evil you bring into this world will save you.

It’s time to heal, start now.

[gusty mirage]

wdym SBS is back

[vast loom]

SBS might be back for ST too

[timid cloud]

I’m gonna get gaslit into SBS. No no no no no….

[gusty mirage]

get gaslit buddy

[marble hemlock]

am i the idiot or are people constantly misusing the term "gaslighting"

[vast loom]

nah thats what happens with any word that no one really knows the meaning of

[gusty mirage]

both because you're assuming they understand what gaslighting means

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[subtle tundra]

SBS

[vast loom]

were not gaslighting you, you are just crazy

[timid cloud]

I mean, that’s the Rogue normal….

I digress though, nothing interesting changed in the new alpha builds? I’ve not been in here as much since everyone is playing TC & I get bored of doing it, personally.

[cerulean nest]

those sub-10 min ruby pools runs though

so nice

[velvet ridge]

If they haven't fixed rogue numbers yet, is it to late, should I just delete my rogue on live since its pointless

[cerulean nest]

?

[marble hemlock]

[timid cloud]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

Now that’s a fried take.

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[vast loom]

brb deleting my rogue

kb hits as hard as an auto attack

[timid cloud]

Me when KB gets parried & I want to sudoku.

[bleak sky]

yes

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

bless up

[bleak sky]

if by alpha version 3 the numbers haven't been cranked up to 300%, you can delete your rogue.

[gusty mirage]

you look really happy in your pfp

[bleak sky]

thanks oxi

[oak sky]

:/

[gusty mirage]

whats wrong

[oak sky]

Thats minalbqs expression

If i had a reason to have that expression it would be guildering

[subtle tundra]

🛐

geesus christ yo stupid

[vestal wren]

isn't

just tested it

[balmy condor]

97 overenergized

[vestal wren]

yes

100 from talent + 2 from strike

[balmy condor]

Maybe I didn’t have the talent

But I could’ve sworn I did

[vestal wren]

leads to "fun" gameplay

[vast loom]

Wait you swap rupture and evis when stealthed and not stealthed

That would fuck me up so hard

[vestal wren]

oh

didn't notice

haha

only set up my bars quickly, its the 3rd char i chreated on alpha

[vast loom]

That makes sense

[vestal wren]

initially had a tauren, then wanted to check out how a lightforged looks on rogue, atm on void elf

[balmy condor]

Yeah this 100% wasn’t happening to me in my keys

Must’ve not taken it

[twilit hollow]

moongoat rogue

[gusty mirage]

good man

tauren rogue supremacy

[vestal wren]

idk if i switch to tauren

[twilit hollow]

more mass for the ambush

[vast loom]

I'm missing my belf racial on sin opener

I just have to wait

Its so sad

[gusty mirage]

tauren rogue is just hilarious to me

[vestal wren]

idk, lightforged has something to it

just the absurdity of emanating light when stealthing

[vast loom]

Female goat is where its at

[storm onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

also, how my gf named her evoker after she found out that you can add fins on almost all customization options:

[vast loom]

Mighty morefin power ranger?

[timid cloud]

Dragon Ranger*

[vestal wren]

i might make my one purple and call it spyro (nvm that name is already claimed)

[timid cloud]

LOL

[royal lantern]

it was allready claimed on all servers probably like 2min after we saw dracthyr for the first time

[vestal wren]

[oak sky]

Pepespit non elf race

[royal lantern]

elf players in RPG's are the most generic fuckheads in the world

more generic then humans, ngl

[oak sky]

And?

[royal lantern]

if i want to be a generic loser, i look into a mirror irl

[oak sky]

A lot of the other races just look shit

[royal lantern]

its wow

[oak sky]

Yeah

They look shit

By wows standards

Anyways its not like i only play elf races i just primarily play elf races

[vestal wren]

majority is elf/human or similar

[royal lantern]

true chads play zandalari

[vestal wren]

that is from 2020, but shows what is played fairly well

[royal lantern]

til: vulpera is more popular then undead/goblin/orc for some classes

lmao

for such a new race thats actually insane

[balmy condor]

Furries

[royal lantern]

im sorry, im will go dragon rogue the second its avaible

[vestal wren]

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

orc is fairly popular on that statistic

[royal lantern]

yeha, ofc

horde is belf>orc for like forever now

especially for classes that cant be belf like shaman

[viscid spear]

Try Spyrosubway

[timid cloud]

Love me the fat Spyro.

I’m so full from buff food, yum!

[viscid spear]

Never actually thought about a name for my Evoker that I will never actually seriously use.

[royal lantern]

just be like 70%of wow players out there

and use the very creative characternameclass

[balmy condor]

[cerulean nest]

i made a mechagnome monk the other day just to casually level. that thing is so tiny on the screen its hilarious

[viscid spear]

[drifting light]

Forsaken gang forever, even after they butchered the lore and sylvanas this hard

[royal lantern]

mechagnomes should do +1dmg with monk kicks

metal legs and stuff

[balmy condor]

Mechagnome monk, the peak of role play

Half robot learns how to be zen

[cerulean nest]

actual robot experiment that studies spirituality

[royal lantern]

if a walking corpse can learn to be zen

a half robot can do it aswell

[grizzled jay]

@balmy condor did you see my ER DTB juiced Env build

[cerulean nest]

i still dont really get what their racial does, the distract foes thing

[royal lantern]

its a aggro drop that does some dmg

mirror immages, but without the DR

[timid cloud]

New mecha gnome rogue called Diaperbussy

[cerulean nest]

stop

[royal lantern]

[cerulean nest]

might literally unbind this lol

[royal lantern]

its utility, nothing else

[cerulean nest]

utility in solo/leveling content specifically

[royal lantern]

but yeha, kinda pointless on rogue/hunter cus you can give threat somone else anyway

[balmy condor]

That sounds terrible

[oak sky]

My theorycraft says we play carnage in single target

Disprove it

[fleet whale]

my theorycraft that no Seal fate in ST may actually be a ST dps gain

[gusty mirage]

[fleet whale]

because CP generation will be predictable

[royal lantern]

my feelcraft is that ER will be BiS cus of longer rupture timers

[gusty mirage]

alright, that's enough RH for me for the summer

see yall in september

[balmy condor]

My feelcraft says this channel is fucked

[royal lantern]

you really leave whispr alone in this insanity?

[verbal mantle]

[fleet whale]

my feelscraft also says that exsanguinate is gonna be good due to deathmark

[royal lantern]

ofc it is

exsang makes bleed tick 2x more often

so its 4x more often with deathmark

[subtle tundra]

exsang more like exspoop

[oak sky]

Zamn! My deathmark goes away twice as fast and does the same damage

[vast loom]

Yeah if it didnt speed up deathmark itself

maybe it would be good

[fleet whale]

the idea though is that it would make assassin damage more front loaded

could be good in prio target situations

[fleet whale]

just imagine it for Il'gynoth in NYA

(and btw, if you haven't noticed, my exsang comments are just veiled shitposts)

[balmy condor]

All exsang comments are veiled shitposts

[royal lantern]

dont fight it

soon you will understand the greatness of exsang

[fleet whale]

I feel like a majority of the people who liked exsang left this sub long ago

like, when SL pre-patch launched

[royal lantern]

people LIKED exsang?

[limber lion]

We still do.

:)

[royal lantern]

i said people

[fleet whale]

i mean do you not remember this channel back in NYA

[royal lantern]

not whatever you are cev

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

[royal lantern]

WHISPER LIKES EXSANG

[balmy condor]

No, the malding white guy is cev

[balmy condor]

I’m like 80% convinced that people enjoy seeing big number good rather than the actual way to it

[fleet whale]

I mean yeah

like I know people are hyped up about sins' talent tree for DF and stuff but like

[balmy condor]

If exsang made us do insane burst people would be in here singing it’s praises

[fleet whale]

if sin does dog damage in DF launch, people will say that our tree is terrible etc

[balmy condor]

Best talent so great

[fleet whale]

if sin does great damage in DF

our talent tree will be the best in the game

[oak sky]

Its an actual fact that people only care about tuning

[royal lantern]

"a class is overtuned during alpha beta"

WTF BEST GAMEPLAY EVER

BLIZZARD MADE X INSANE, ITS SOOOOO GREAT

[empty copper]

how do you guys feel about shadowdance being in the general tree?

[royal lantern]

"the overtuned stuff gets adjusted"

[oak sky]

People will call curent sin degen but if we did 20k dps everyone would play it and be like omfg i love venthyr snapshotting

[royal lantern]

WTF HOW COULD THIS LEAVE BETA??????

[balmy condor]

Interesting but borderline op

[fleet whale]

venthyr snapshotting is soooo popular
that sin isn't even getting flag in DF lol
should tell you how the devs feel about Flag snapshotting

[oak sky]

There would be 0 snapshotting if sin got flag

[balmy condor]

Enter exsang

[oak sky]

[fleet whale]

or i guess how the devs feel about this current iteration of sin

[oak sky]

Thats not in my spellbook

[royal lantern]

i rather dont

[timid cloud]

Pass away, my friend.

[oak sky]

And we end up with sepsis anyway

[empty copper]

yeah im worried it will be mandatory in alot of builds, and if i wanted to play shadowdance id be sub

[fleet whale]

well, it's not like sepsis changes our gameplay in a negative way

it's a pretty inoffensive button

[balmy condor]

Luckily sin doesn’t do anything with it

[oak sky]

It was also never used

[balmy condor]

So no worries there

[fleet whale]

what i thought dance was good

[empty copper]

is it looking like just a dmg cd we play around during other cds or what?

[oak sky]

Like yeah sepsis does nothing but it also isnt memorable and wasnt really used either

[timid cloud]

It’s definitely a button to press in the game of World of Warcraft, that is true, that Sepsis one.

[balmy condor]

Ye

Probably hit an ambush or two

[timid cloud]

Outside of PvP, it’s like the most mediocre of the 4.

[fleet whale]

I am surprised that blizz gave all our covenant abilities back in some way

[spare geyser]

could somebody help me with a single Assass rogue rotation please im little confussed. ty in advanced

[empty copper]

i could do withour kyrian or venth lmao

[limber lion]

#assassination-faq

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

my brain

[bleak sky]

DO NOT DELETE IT

WEAK

[fleet whale]

my hot take, thistle tea will end up being taken in DF launch
It may changed in some way though to make that happen however

[timid cloud]

That is in fact, a take.

[bleak sky]

alright grandpa let's get you to bed

[oak sky]

Yeah its actually funny how we didnt really need any of our covenant buttons to come back but we got all of them while shit like shaman actually used all of them and got 1

[timid cloud]

I do not believe in the Tea.

[limber lion]

i also think that we will take talents that are good

:O

das crazy man

[fleet whale]

blizz could buff tea to make it good

[oak sky]

Never thought I wouldn see the day

[bleak sky]

blizz could nerf tea to make it worse

smilers

[oak sky]

Water is indeed wet

[limber lion]

we will take tea if it's good

we won't if it's bad

crazy stuff

[bleak sky]

blizz could also buff kingsbane to do 12k dps by itself

or delete it

[timid cloud]

BaCk In My DaY In ClASsic…TeA Was PART of The RotAtion!

[thorny pond]

Cool it can stay there unless it’s good

[oak sky]

Tea fills the dead globals dude

Oh wait thats bad

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

Tea is another keybind

NOOOO cant have another keybind

[thorny pond]

We have like 7. It’s ok

[oak sky]

I might DIE

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

I swear dude

I may actually morb (respectfully)

[timid cloud]

Yeah, just like Echoing Reprimand is 4 CP every X amount of time! GUARANTEED

[brave gyro]

I hope assa is competitive for M+, think something like this would be pretty fun to play

[bleak sky]

no alacrity

[brave gyro]

should be fine in M+, u get plenty of regen

u can drop vigor for 1 point in it i guess

[vast loom]

alacrity isnt for energy

its for haste

for our pumper dots

[oak sky]

Dump vigor

[bleak sky]

vigor yucky

[oak sky]

Vigor is garbage for aoe

[brave gyro]

👆

[steel ridge]

no subterfuge for m+?

[vast loom]

this is my idea for aoe tree

[bleak sky]

improved garrote

[brave gyro]

• shadow dance

[brave gyro]

you think its worth dropping all FoK nodes for ttb and zoyd?

[vast loom]

the 1 twist the knife point can kinda go wherever

[oak sky]

Good aoe but i would expect gouge atrophic and iron wire in actual keys

[steel ridge]

huh right, so subterfuge is basically a dead talent

[oak sky]

Fok sucks but pk isnt bad for the crit

[vast loom]

issue with PK

is it forces us to get CTTC

[steel ridge]

who would even use the damn subterfuge then

[oak sky]

Yeah

[vast loom]

idk if PK is worth 3 points

[oak sky]

Prob not

[vast loom]

subterfuge is for utility

that sin prob never takes

[oak sky]

But anyways flying daggers and pk could be number gooded into being taken

[vast loom]

true

[limber lion]

might be fine for pvp but that's it

[vast loom]

i just think zold has a bigger impact at actually killing things

since we already have letahlity and MA with dance

for FoK crits

and deadly precision

[brave gyro]

but no SBS in M+ feels sadge

[vast loom]

that is true

[oak sky]

You have to take doomblade

Sbs is a 2 point talent

[vast loom]

maybe this

only 20% zold

but no iron wire is scary

[brave gyro]

zoyd being 6 points tho :/

feels yucky

[vast loom]

yeah

thats part of the reason i made taht updated tree