outlaw

[frail veldt]

Lolol

We all have our favorite chores ig

[grim spear]

Exactly, so I might as well go full extreme: just delete the Heroic track altogether.
After all, the Heroic track only enables split runs and M+ grinding
both of which are absolutely awful.

[random stirrup]

gear farming is a blast for the first 50 or so keys of week1

and then m+ is not fun unless pushing

[frail veldt]

50 keys zzzzzzz

[frail veldt]

I mean that's a big change for a specific subset of the playerbase

[gusty pagoda]

So m+ would drop mythic track then above a certain key level or what?

[frail veldt]

Would hof guilds rather have the hof race just scale ilvl so gearing didn't matter as much?

@cinder relic

If the race was only prog would it be more or less fun

[grim spear]

Mythic gear is already time-gated on a weekly basis through Voidcore and Vault anyway

[vivid vessel]

And then you would do the same in normal dungeon

Or m0

Which you actually do anyway

[grim spear]

Just let that system work the same way as raiding's expected value

it's already functionally identical

[random stirrup]

[grim spear]

At least it's not as grindy as M+

since M+ has no lockout and the drop rate is abysmally low

it's just pure suffering

[gusty pagoda]

Just make m+ drop a currency that people can use to buy gear

Same for raid

[frail veldt]

Well you don't have to grind really for m+

Cuz the race ends at the end of the season

[grim spear]

but hof is not

[frail veldt]

Oh you're saying grinding keys for raid

[grim spear]

so it's only raider's pain

[frail veldt]

I thought you were saying m+ mains have to grind

[gusty pagoda]

M+ players don't want to raid for gear and raid players don't want to do m+ for gear

[random stirrup]

the good old days of the last good push week being 12 weeks before the end of the season

into 11 straight weeks of fort bolster

[gusty pagoda]

How could Blizzard possibly solve this extremely complex issue

[grim spear]

Honestly, aside from the M+ grind, the rest of the gearing systems work pretty well

pre-season, delves, they're all fine.

M+'s loot system is just so archaic that it feels completely out of place.

[gusty pagoda]

What if they just keep bonus rolls as a permanent system

[vivid vessel]

i dont understand this quest, do i need to find paladins or arms warriors?

[grim spear]

Delve's design is great
it has a lockout cap, solid loot per time spent, and a token system as a safety net if your RNG is bad

M+
just kicks you out the door and leaves you at the mercy of luck.

[vivid vessel]

ye bro delve system is great because it doesnt give you any of your bis gear lmao

if you had to get a bis trinket from there you would kill yourself

[grim spear]

m+ neither

[random stirrup]

shadow dagger in tww1

good times

whatever the name was

[grim spear]

I mean, most of the time the gear you farm from M+ is just transitional catchup gear, same as Delve.
In that case, farming Delve is way more comfortable than grinding M+.

BIS is a separate matter

M+ does an okay job when it comes to providing Mythic track gear.

[gusty pagoda]

I mean currently m+ gearing is amazing, just spend bonus rolls in POS for like 6 good mythic track items

No rng involvdd

[random stirrup]

and then just farm the 240-300 myth crests required to upgrade them all

[modern shoal]

Question chat. Is it ever worth it to hold AR and roll the bones for the proc? I find myself letting the rtb drop for 2-5 seconds if AR is coming up to consume the buff instead of just sending the natty roll

[quiet root]

idk if it's worth but if i have opp stacks or BF to build i'll let rtb drop in those situations

building with ss without rtb up is too painful so i'll just pray not to roll 1

[modern shoal]

Thats exactly what I was running into

I just roll so many damn ones

[cinder relic]

Absolutely not

[gusty pagoda]

I'm currently in this process but I play m+ anyway so ill get it sooner or later

[frail veldt]

not saying to remove gearing, you could still do all the splits/gearing you want it just wouldnt impact your efficacy in prog

also follow-up question then, if you enjoy so much of the non prog parts of raiding, would you want more of them? Like if they removed mythic lockouts so you could do splits of mythic and they had higher crest caps/no cap

[rich basin]

oh boy

i come with some autistic shit

[nova blaze]

yo if i have a focus target, does anyone know how to set a marker next to its healthbar ?

[rich basin]

wtf is a queue window

some friend told me that i would need to have this value
/dump getCVar("SpellQueueWindow") as 200

[frail veldt]

the spell queue window is a buffer used by the game which will store your client side input to be sent exactly upon the gcd expiring on the server side

the buffer size is the window

[rich basin]

do i need that xD?

[frail veldt]

if you dont want every gcd to be delayed by your ms

you would lose a lot of dps if you set the buffer to 0

the default window size is 400 I believe

also for clarity the buffer is "one spell"

[rich basin]

he recommended 200 + ping

so about 250~

[frail veldt]

200+ping is good yeah

[rich basin]

is that a fair assesment?

[frail veldt]

thats what I would recommend too

I would never go lower than 100 + ping

most people who run below that either have to button mash like crazy or are definitely delaying their gcds

[rich basin]

Thanks, what would be the difference i see when playing?

just that everything is "sharper"

and if i misspress i can cancel it?

[frail veldt]

yes it will always take the last button you press

unless you press it within your latency window

[rich basin]

hmmm

will give it a try

[frail veldt]

well what was it before

was it default?

[rich basin]

yes

[frail veldt]

400?

[rich basin]

400

[frail veldt]

yeah then your inputs might feel less sticky

[rich basin]

that's decent

had sometimes something proc after i missinputed

will see

[frail veldt]

with a very high queue window sometimes it will hold a button for a long time and if you dont replace it then you might get some missed inputs

[rich basin]

i can always set it back if i am dog 💩

[frozen quest]

every value is different for every user u cant copy values

read and understand it https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-queue-window

[dull geyser]

anyone willing to do a vod review for some $? lol sorry i keep asking but need some real feedback

[frail veldt]

@keen belfry have you ever had this issue? this xpac ive noticed the response back from my gcd is SUPER delayed, like its almost halfway into the gcd before I see my cps change. I got your bar to see if it would reduce delay but seems exactly the same as default

like im just trying to play around it but I dont remember it ever being this bad

watching streams people seem to see their cps change like less than 1/4 into the gcd and sometimes mine is like almost 3/4s

for reference I have 50ms rn and its just as bad in dungeons as on dummies in the capital

[frozen quest]

the input can delay if server is heavy lasted

[lusty grove]

guys my RtB buffs is often disappearing from my ui buffs anyone knows how to fix it ?

[frail veldt]

wat

[glass mortar]

#outlaw message

[buoyant stratus]

Silvermoon can be pretty laggy, but ye theres some gcd delay this xpac, especially with sinister stirke

[frail veldt]

but watching streams other people dont have it

my delay is just as bad in dungeons too

[cinder relic]

I think it's mostly fine as is, other than splits

One of the downsides of the raids being so split, is it makes splitting better

Which I don't like

But I do like how we extended on beloren, killed lura, and then went back and killed voidspire

[buoyant stratus]

My guild didnt take me seriously when i said "okay lets go paladins alleria???" After we killed lura madge

[lusty grove]

Oh ty mb

[trail sparrow]

I asked this before but still not sure, is there a fix rule for bte usage when u get a reset ? pressing them back to back ? filling up cp to full before sending next ? sending blade rush in between bte's ?

[civic bison]

Hello, new here, anyone know an addon who can show combo points above the current target frame?

[cinder relic]

Vaporize them

[cinder relic]

You build

And yeah press br if it's up

[trail sparrow]

ty

[floral rose]

we are still adrenaline rush, killing spree, snd, then prep before countdown in dungs?

[cinder relic]

U can ignore KS, you just want bte on and AR on cd

And blade rush too

[floral rose]

i thought we did it for the 2 free unseen blades?

but i dont see them on my cdm

[pure folio]

Adr ks prep adr before key goes in. SnD in bubble countdown

[floral rose]

wheni do it like that i lose my combo point for snd so should i just do it all in the bubble before

[pure folio]

No

You do it like I said

You’re waiting too long to snd

Do it at like 5s~ before bubble drops

[thorny zinc]

y send prep + adr again

[pure folio]

Supercharger

[thorny zinc]

o ya

[soft musk]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[granite quarry]

Hello Guys,
I'm losing my mind recently in keys,
I run with 20% haste (25% with flask) and I'm running sometimes really low on energy and can't recover easy
It's look so much painful and idk why, when I'm looking to streamers pov, they dont get this issue.
I'm here sometime with no energy waiting like an idiot to sinister strike and all my cycle got ruined (AR, RTB, ...) It feel so horrible
Do you guys know where it can be ? I'm never in r1 RTB so it cant be my Rtb management

[thorny zinc]

well does it matter though? key start will set u to 2 and if u snd in bubble itll go to 1 anyways right?

[floral rose]

whats the different if i do it before the key goes in and when bubble countdown im still getting it before the key starts?

snd dont use supercharge

[thorny zinc]

oh yea

I gotta stop trying to think when I wake up

[floral rose]

lmao

[pure folio]

ks spends one, so if you don’t prep adr you’d only save one. Snd doesn’t use supercharge

[pure folio]

You’re either doing your rotation priority wrong or not enough haste. Or both

[frail veldt]

rotational issues most likely

25% haste should be plenty

[pure folio]

^

[frail veldt]

there will be some times where you run out still

but it shouldnt be too often

post some videos or logs and people can watch to see if youre making mistakes

[granite quarry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N4v1mQ3zqc9rJBXW?fight=last&type=summary

[timid portal]

bonus roll on alleria

no weapon D:

[granite quarry]

Here's a log of a key this morning, idk what can I do wrong in my rotation

My problem came in higher keys when I mostly need to press Feint a lot

[vivid vessel]

waht am i looking at

[keen belfry]

ye i dont get ur question cuh

[craggy barn]

get a gcd tracker so we can see

[rugged wigeon]

and don't hit dummies in silvermoon, go to stormwind or whatever

[granite quarry]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mMzSsdv6CLJ4Poikc?invite=cr-MSxxRDcsMjI2MDgyMTQy&v=110

Short cut of a key, the issue came at 1:00 but I make it longer so you can see what I've done before getting this
It happens atleast 1/2 time per key

Sry for the sound. Mute it

[normal quail]

yo has anyone got the neat kick macro? where it auto kicks the ongoing cast and retargets prio target?

[frail veldt]

notice how long after my button presses I gain cps/spend the cps

like how far into my gcd

like for you its barely like 1/5 into your gcd

for me its like halfway through is when the cps update

its like all my abilities take half a gcd to register

[random stirrup]

the gcd circle thing isn't accurate

[frail veldt]

im looking at the gcd circle for both me and zac though

also I have the gcd timer on the abilities too

thats the built in one

[earnest sphinx]

we are moving upwards

[frail veldt]

like notice how far through my gcd the cursor and arcui gcd is before the details registers the hit

the details tracker being at the bottom right

[gaunt phoenix]

/stopmacro [@focus, harm]
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kick
/targetlasttarget

Kicks focus target if you have one
If not, then tab targets and kicks, which prioritizes casters

[frail veldt]

zacs details plugin updates like <1/4 of the way through the cursor gcd

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf is that animation

[frail veldt]

which one?

[gaunt phoenix]

The circle of gore

[frail veldt]

oh lol idk

some hunter near me or semething

[timid portal]

is there some way for us to deal shadow dmg?

[frail veldt]

cosmic damage

as fatebound

[round spindle]

Whoa that tab target kick works in a macro? I would have never imagined.

[normal quail]

many thanks @gaunt phoenix

[fluid meadow]

@frail veldt which one do u have ingame? button press or release to send abilities?

[frail veldt]

press

its gotta be something to do with like server cuz my button is getting pressed just fine

which is why my gcd starts

but I dont see the ability hit and update until over halfway through my gcd

sometimes even longer

[frail veldt]

even watching his clip you can see the time from when his cdm gcd starts to when the ability appears in the details tracker and his cps update is like 150ms

like 1/5 a gcd

[half bear]

Wsg guys, any tips yall could hand me out about Outlaw? I been playing Sub and Sin most of the time, doing overall of 160-170k on M+s but as Outlaw im doing 70k

Im trying to figure out what am I missing

[quiet root]

read the faq in here and practice a lot

[earnest sphinx]

not sure who told this to me but press more buttons

after 3 weeks of pressing more buttons i can actually do my rotation without puking on my keyboard (sometimes)

[granite quarry]

What ? We are not speaking about the same problem

[earnest sphinx]

@vivid vessel brothermanbossman

can u send ur range indicator the x

[frail veldt]

different problem

just using yours as reference

[earnest sphinx]

mine doesnt change colors depending on if i am in range or not

[granite quarry]

Oh ok nvm

[inland acorn]

it's weakaura

[earnest sphinx]

can i get the sauce

[inland acorn]

https://wago.io/SJFQ-X0Fr
https://wago.io/TjfDQwu_K

Its in one of those, I don't remember which one

Think it should be in general interface

[ebon flicker]

Hii i have a question from a noob. It is normal that i run out of energy on some points of the keys and feels miserable for the rest of the boss/pull??

[inland acorn]

yes, it can happen sometimes. You can mitigate it a lot with proper play and by having decent haste

But sometimes game will just shaft you anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

that's outlaw baby

[rancid onyx]

Can somone help me?
Is it worth to craft the full crit helmet?

(https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear)

[inland acorn]

Yes that is indeed site used to sim gear

[rancid onyx]

I pressed enter too fast xD

[inland acorn]

It still links to just site, not sim just fyi

[rancid onyx]

Oh shit to i need to link the simc?

[inland acorn]

Well, you want to know if full crit helm is good

Did you sim it using raidbots ?

[rancid onyx]

y but what is a good sim atm

7 boss 1,30?

or 1 boss and 5 min

[inland acorn]

1t 5min for st
dslice for m+

[rancid onyx]

is Dslice valid?

[inland acorn]

Yes

[rancid onyx]

oh okay will try then thx

[rugged wigeon]

do you guys cancel tricks when the tank dies?

[inland acorn]

Why would you cancel tricks

[rugged wigeon]

mobs do funny things when you keep hitting the mobs

[inland acorn]

Chances are, that if your tank hit the floor

You're wiping anyway

[unkempt iris]

Not true, perma tricks keeps the pull alive and if it doesnt its funny asf

[rugged wigeon]

yeah that's the problem

or sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't

but usually when it is the problem the time loss is greater than the time gain for the times where it isn't the problem

if that makes sense

[inland acorn]

Are you pushing high keys ?

[rugged wigeon]

no

[inland acorn]

Then timer doesn't exist

[rugged wigeon]

or define high

[inland acorn]

You can have like 15 deaths in most dungeons

and still time it

High probably like 18 and above

[rugged wigeon]

nah i ain't pushing but it's still annoying af for the tank probably, and sometimes the mobs go on a journey and pull more shit

[timid portal]

sometimes people lag with cr

and you keep the pull alive with tricks

and tank might get the cr

[rugged wigeon]

i'll just leave it on then

[inland acorn]

Like I get your issue, but from my own experience of just doing weekly 10-12s

[earnest sphinx]

okay guys new problem

[inland acorn]

If tank hits floor and mobs do snap to him or do other weird shit

[earnest sphinx]

where do i locate my old weakauras

to delete them

[inland acorn]

Honestly i don't really care

[earnest sphinx]

i still have like a 1000 from last tier

[rugged wigeon]

bro

i deleted cache wtf and interface for the addon

now it's probably too late, but they should be in wtf

[inland acorn]

make sure you remove all weak aura folders from your addon folder beforehand

[earnest sphinx]

well well well

[inland acorn]

Or just delete them manually

[earnest sphinx]

yea but where are they

[inland acorn]

manually as in-game

[earnest sphinx]

ah

[inland acorn]

If you really have a bunch of old weakauras, then I'm sorry to say, that's on you for keeping probably some prehistoric stuff

[earnest sphinx]

yea i forgot about them after they died

[inland acorn]

I had like 6 packages to delete

Because i kept it clean from season to season

[rugged wigeon]

if they are all nicely packed and you didn't accidentally delete the group header to make them all single weakauras, it should be easy to delete them

[earnest sphinx]

i just deleted them all reloaded

[rugged wigeon]

otherwise just delete the wtf folder honestly

[earnest sphinx]

and they are still in

i might just have to delete the wtf folder ig

[inland acorn]

Ok

This will sound bad but

Are you using weakauras

Or fork of it called m33kauras

[earnest sphinx]

it is called m33kauras bro

[gaunt phoenix]

meakauras

[inland acorn]

meowauras

[earnest sphinx]

pretty sure i installed the right thing

i just have to change a few settings ig after deleting the wtf folder

like my audio and some binds

[rugged wigeon]

deleting wtf is nuclear option tbh

search for "weakauras" inside wtf folder maybe

delete everything that comes up

[earnest sphinx]

well i deleted it already but i kept a copy on my desktop

[rugged wigeon]

no clue if that works tho

[earnest sphinx]

cbaaa

nuke everything

go from 0

been having some ui issues anyways

time to dust out the folders

[inland acorn]

you know this will also nuke like

all your addon settings most likely

[earnest sphinx]

only thing it did change was my audio %

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1501612479481118860/1508569478328225903/Medal_aaoYNdIgKJ.gif

[earnest sphinx]

and my profile in cdm

[keen belfry]

wdoes this beam move

or frontal

[earnest sphinx]

ur just not yellow and boss racist

....

[keen belfry]

it even kills the yellow char!

[inland acorn]

that's on you bucko, for trusting Blizzard indicators

[earnest sphinx]

are you repping the yellow fr though son?

[keen belfry]

ium always yellow

[earnest sphinx]

i need pants that dont look like a week old banana peel

[random stirrup]

are you asking why this happened

or post for the meme

[hallow barn]

In the process of learning/gearing my outlaw rogue for m+. Just curious with the upcoming tuning if there is any change in which rogue spec is stronger in m+?

[keen belfry]

yes

y

[random stirrup]

the triangle explosion is based on where the beam goes direct into boss

if you're doing the wiggle tech

it changes the telegraph on the ground

to wherever the beam was pointing at the end

[inland acorn]

I don't think any changes with .7 tuning, they're mostly buffing deathstalker for ST, unless I don't remember notes fully

[random stirrup]

so if you gigawiggle and the beam goes mega far to a side

the indicator is like mega off where the triangle explosion actually happens

i watched one of our guild's groups do the biggest wiggle ever and the indicator completely lied and blew up all 5 of them

[gusty pagoda]

"run your own key" , meanwhile 30 mins later

[bold pond]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[inland acorn]

shithole of dungeon

[frail veldt]

hell nah

[gusty pagoda]

can't form group on 14, can't form group on 12

[frail veldt]

keep that pull going

[gusty pagoda]

can't get invites

what do

[frail veldt]

keep applying

or run your own key

[gusty pagoda]

I mean that's what I'm doing but no one applies to the 14 so I try it on 12 and still no applies

meanwhile I can't even get into a +10

[inland acorn]

I mean, that's basically weekly key

And nobody wants to do weekly key

In Maisara

That dungeon is

[gusty pagoda]

yeah so basically I can't play the game until reset and hope that I don't get another mc

[inland acorn]

I mean idk, I don't have much trouble getting into 10-12 for weekly

Are you undergeared ?

[gusty pagoda]

well I only geared rogue last week but I'm 276

your rio might be way higher I'm at 2902 rn

[inland acorn]

Yeah so probably you're just getting overlooked

In favour of people +280

[cinder relic]

I was 272 getting into 10-12 pugs on my monk this week

My main is like, 3k it's nothing fancy lol

[inland acorn]

My main is like 2.8k

I literally did 12s for achi and didnt bother at all woth m+

[fluid meadow]

meanwhile 3k io players lists 17-18 keys rn, nobody wants to go 12 or join to another dps and wait 30 mins for weekly key

[inland acorn]

As dps ?

[vivid vessel]

run your own key is fake

it doesnt work

[gusty pagoda]

yeah idk I got 2 13's timed on rogue and I haven't managed to get invited to a +10 once

[vivid vessel]

you need to be a tank

[gusty pagoda]

even on my 275 mistweaver I get no applies to +14

[vivid vessel]

people saying to run your own keys dont play wow

[gusty pagoda]

very true i need to respec brew for invites

so fucking true

[cedar bone]

bro idk how to do a good log man

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Rcw9JKGa2FbmrqNW?fight=last

43??? i felt like pumping xd

[inland acorn]

Its not fake

If your key is skyreach 12

Insta 100 applications for quick weekly

[earnest sphinx]

does a weakaura exist for smokebomb

besides turning particle density to 0

[inland acorn]

No

[earnest sphinx]

found a reminder to toggle particle density though

[cinder relic]

Yes

As ww

[inland acorn]

Then roberto is just unlucky

Gg

[keen belfry]

It works until 22s

[outer meteor]

i had that same thing happen tome

on a 22

so dumb

2 people died to it

[keen belfry]

Basically LFG never wants to do the highest keys they do -1 or -2

[random stirrup]

its funny to see tho

[frail veldt]

ngl

do you like

just walk out

cuz I swear that shit is impossible to tell where it is

[high vector]

Surely i only deal shit dmg cuz im 250 ilvl right

[gusty pagoda]

my luck has turned

I managed to form a group for +12 caverns and I almost beat a 3.7k rio havoc dh because I got so many jackpot rolls

[high vector]

Question the prio shows to use keep it rolling if stage 3 or higher the cd management says use at 2 and higher

What's the right way

[gaunt phoenix]

you kir at 3

but you CAN kir at 2 if you're about to dry roll

which is in optimization part of faq

[earnest sphinx]

Quick prayer to allah and dry roll p

[craggy barn]

just natty roll jackpots

[formal thunder]

aw

this was 33 minutes of Seat

I didn't roll anything but 1s and 2s on final boss

[static crescent]

hmm, does the evasion and feint talents DR stack if u use evasion+feint?

[radiant wyvern]

the warrior had truesight, he knew what was up

[random stirrup]

i stare at the beams as they are about to end

if you know the beam being wiggled can screw the telegraph u can kinda figure it out

or just walk way out

[frail veldt]

Oooh the cone is based on the beam source locations?

[vivid vessel]

no but

you dont need to do that

the cones are supposed to aim mid

if they arent aiming mid

its bugged

and you can draw the shape in your head

[random stirrup]

ye its supposed to aim mid

[vivid vessel]

like idk

[random stirrup]

but if youre doing the wiggle it will aim where you wiggle it to when it ends

[vivid vessel]

its so obvious to me when i look at it

[frail veldt]

Aaaah gotcha

[random stirrup]

well the animation will

[frail veldt]

So if they're like not centered

[random stirrup]

but the blow up is still aiming mid

[frail veldt]

It's bugged

Makes sense

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

They extend so much further than I expect a lot of the time

Is there always a safe spot?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

Or do you have to move out sometimes

Hmm

[granite phoenix]

can anyone explain why using killing spree is worth it if im just going to be cancelling it ?

nvm its because of flawless form and being able to proc unseen blade again isnt it =

[split swallow]

guys idk why but i feel like my buttons used with delay or idk how to explain, very slow. 22% haste

maybe i should change spell q?

[craggy barn]

if when u press a button and it takes a bit for it to actually go off, its usually just because of lag

[ember spear]

hey gang. progging on Lightblinded Vanguard mythic. generally play as sub but seems like outlaw does best on this fight. any pointers?

[keen belfry]

unseen blades good

[snow hill]

Had our first crack at it last night as a guild. 28 wipes to 73%.
I'm a bin tier casual but what I found was the biggest difference was sticking to whatever the three of them your hitting like glue, lining up your ADR/BTE dumps so that it's not wasted when you need to move for execution sentences.

Meanwhile, our Sub Rogue was just shadow step zugging without a care in the world. Lol.

[split swallow]

ye, sounds like that, mostly thats feel on bte

[formal thunder]

seat is gonna break me man

i'e reached final boss a grand total of 1 time

we were 1 min overtime, and I am certain it was becaause I was rolling like shit the entire dungeon

[ember spear]

yeah i tried both. sub really can focus on boss mechanics for that fight. considering its prog i think ill just stick to what i know best

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1401910605388189766/noway.gif

[last cape]

was this in the same dungeon where economics beat you in dps.

[ashen birch]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7vFp8dqjY49BRTZD?fight=8&type=damage-done
does someone mind taking a look at this log and seeing if I'm making some consistent mistakes? Still getting used to the spec, so it's just a 10 to practice the rotation

[steel shadow]

im gonna hazard a guess that unless it was 21 or 22 the key was not decided by the low rolls

[steel shadow]

this is propaganda
run your own key is much faster than sitting in lfg hell and even if they were exactly the same speed 1 of them requires waiting for your client to flash and clicking accept and the other one requires repeatedly clicking things you're overqualified for and then malding that you got declined and they took an aug over you

run your own key protects your peace and only stops being meta at the level where you actually need to play in a group / the amount of people "pugging" is so small its not even really pugging

mi manifesto

[hallow spoke]

idk about protecting ur peace. spending hours pushing from ur resi to a key that gets insta bricked cos tank eat a stun is pretty killer

[frail veldt]

yeah was gona say

failing someone elses key is a lot easier lol

[fluid meadow]

yeah big gaming, do lower keys or sit&wait for an hour for a deplete

[nocturne wren]

guys is this TOO much crit?

[pulsar ether]

Is there a Discord command for the dagger OH vs slow weapon explanation?

[jolly geyser]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[jolly geyser]

Think its more than 1%

[gaunt phoenix]

it is like 1% dmg

but that is also technically like 30 ilvls on dagger

cuz that's what it takes to be 1%

[jolly geyser]

Damn %s

[pulsar ether]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[river wren]

Hello guys I'm still searching the answer but... Someone know how to set up graphic parameter in order to see AOE in the cloud effect from AR ?

[storm cave]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-one-with-the-force-force-is-with-me-star-wars-gif-18534817

[gaunt phoenix]

Just particle density reduces cloud

[river wren]

Ok I set this to minimum but I've not the same results that some streamer^^. Thanks a lot mate !

[trim harbor]

What are the cons of turning it down

[river wren]

Better gif ever to represent the feeling when you use AR

[tulip isle]

hello, i just want to start gear my 250 rogue, and i wanna play outlaw, i have 12 bonus rolls, where to send them ?

[trim harbor]

Pit

Bis ring bis neck big offhand big wrist from m+

[normal hawk]

M10 min though right

Or 9?

[trim harbor]

10

[stuck sparrow]

shouldnt you go for crafted bracers atp

pretty sure bracers have less stat than belt

[trim harbor]

You can craft boots

They have the same stats no

[stuck sparrow]

boots are same as belt

[trim harbor]

Bracers belt and boots

[stuck sparrow]

i thought

unless its changed since tww i could have sworn bracers shares with cloak

for lowest

[trim harbor]

Well than just crat cloak no

Craft

[stuck sparrow]

why not bracers

[trim harbor]

Why not cloak if you can get bis stated bracers from a dungeon that gives 3 more bis items

Crit haste galore belt neck ring wrist offhand

[stuck sparrow]

either can work probably

though i'd take salad's neck over pit

[trim harbor]

Well its an alt for him so everything works

[stuck sparrow]

could also make boots since very few good boots

unless blud's made of money

to cop crit haste boe

[trim harbor]

The boe alt

[stuck sparrow]

i mean

i got guildies who do that

[trim harbor]

I play pit neck cuz i play vora ring

Need da haste

[trim harbor]

Wild

Im scrapping for fcking repairs

[stuck sparrow]

thats why you raid and do sales

im using the good npx ring and pit ring

[gleaming reef]

They still haven’t fixed our gravedigger bug 🙁

[trim harbor]

what sales we are 4/9M.

[gleaming reef]

There is a crit haste BoE boots??

[trim harbor]

Havent rolled in npx i just haste pot for 25% haste

[stuck sparrow]

they're random statted

[gleaming reef]

Oh

[stuck sparrow]

leather boes cost the most though

since most classes on leather are fotm

its just rogue is the ugly duckling

[trim harbor]

Rogue blasts dont diss us like that

[stuck sparrow]

we blast because average pug has their monitor turned off

unless its bg blitz

then i get 3 rogues on both teams

out of 8 players per team

at 2.7 mmr

[trim harbor]

Idk bout that im not the greatest rogue but in 20 n 21 u kinda need eyes

[stuck sparrow]

i've seen some players

namely dk

pvp is a strange game mode

class is actually good

gonna get my 2.4 title and stop though

[trim harbor]

I dont really play pvp ngl most im doing is 1850

1950 for enchant or sum

[stuck sparrow]

its 1950 for the diarrhea enchant

[trim harbor]

Ye but ill do it later in the season

[stuck sparrow]

2.3 for tabard

[trim harbor]

M+ ubergoated

[stuck sparrow]

real ugly this season

ngl i was already bored of m+ this season

week 2

[trim harbor]

Isnt this season’s enchant the balls one

[stuck sparrow]

its very bright yes

galaxy

but the tabard is asscheeks

[trim harbor]

Bruh the best tabards are from trading post no

[trim harbor]

If you like pushing its fun if you dont its miserable

[stuck sparrow]

well those are tcg

as the best

trading post had 2 good tabards, the chainmail ones

[trim harbor]

It had some plain one as well no

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah those are ugly

[trim harbor]

Midnights tabard sometimes like that

[trim harbor]

Well to that i can say nuh uh

[stuck sparrow]

midnight tabard vs tabard of the void

[trim harbor]

Bruh the left one is much more versatile

[stuck sparrow]

[normal hawk]

No opinions in here

[stuck sparrow]

Chainmail tabards from trading post

are insanely goated though

[trim harbor]

Ye but they are never bringing them back it seems

Didnt bring them back since idk when

[stuck sparrow]

Unlucky if you didnt buy them

[trim harbor]

I didnt even play the game when they dropped

[stuck sparrow]

i always try to buy versatile pieces that go on the post

in the offchance i want to use them

the real questionable choice is how i've bought most of the prowler hoods, and proceed to never mog them

the ones with the mask

That and the shoulder capes+gala gloves

[trim harbor]

Those are cool ngl

[stuck sparrow]

I have those things in like every color

[trim harbor]

Im missing a lot of them last one i got is the brown ser from dress to impress minigameripoff

[stuck sparrow]

I'd like them alot more but blizzard refuses to make hair physics work with helmets in this game.

[thin fiber]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[trim harbor]

Be the ears poke out of them

[stuck sparrow]

Yes

this is why i play short ears

on my hot topic elf

[burnt tangle]

just use cursed vision of sargeras on every leather class

[stuck sparrow]

i use it sometimes mostly to hide the fact

i got darkfallen red eyes

if they clash with the mog

barber shop change with mog when?

like my main mog, its absolutely peak to be a vampire elf

[steel shadow]

people are bad no matter what

i take homework keys over lfg hell 10/10 times

[hardy thicket]

If people were more interested in actually getting better at keys than trying to time a key level they have barely touched this would be a non issue. I'm currently trying to reframe it like that personally

Like is it a waste of time to push a resi you have already timed only to brick it once it goes past resilient? Doesnt have to be. Plenty of room to analyze and improve there.

99% of LFG expect to one shot every key they start. Its ridiculous really

[trim harbor]

Ye that works until u need 2 specific keys for your next resi

[craggy barn]

when im bored and LFG is dead at my push key level i just swap specs and do lower keys as homework

to also push my spec scores up

[split swallow]

Guys can I get some tips and rules, I feels like I was to much in situations when I don’t have adr and roll. My opinion I should reset it on mobs when tank gathering and when he finish I usually have cds?

[gaunt palm]

It's generally a very good idea to hit mobs as soon as tank has pulled, to gain cdr. If its a prio mob, I will even send my CDs on it before the gathering is complete.

Sometimes I will send a natty roll to fish while gathering, and then usually will have a LD roll ready for pull anyway

[olive talon]

I don't reroll on 2 even with buff, and will reroll before AR if I have a loaded dice available. Prevents a lot of the dry rolls

Only exception is if I'm about to prep, then yeah can reroll, AR, and then hold the new loaded dice

[gaunt palm]

You probably should reroll if KIR is rdy or within 15s to come back up.

If you hold untill you cast next AR, and you get jackpot, and use kir, then you have 60s jackpot running, and a 45s loaded dice, that will then run out.

[olive talon]

it lowers the highs and covers the lows, typically. Hate to KiR a 2 because my next AR is 1:50 away

[granite quarry]

But if you dont do it and gamble and get a 1, its kinda ff

[gaunt palm]

I wasn't talking about KIRing 2s, its about not wasting LD, like it sounds like you do if you dont reroll

If you wait rerolling untill next AR use, you may waste a LD like my example above

[river wing]

tbh 1:50 is enough to get it down with a normal 2

at least if you have uptime

[high vector]

Devourer destroyed me first time playing outlaw and my fingers have gotten so slow from Devourer

How hard is it to learn outlaw i started like 2 days ago and so far I think im doing somewhat okay tho my dh is turbo shit but I hope thats cuz im like 250 I lvl

[sand dagger]

Is it still 5CP for dispatch as Trickster?

[gaunt palm]

Finishers at +6 as trickster, except KS which is 5+

[sand dagger]

tyty

[near osprey]

yo what is yalls base crit and haste % without any buffs at all?

[hollow sonnet]

hey, just getting into outlaw. do you ever use ambush between pulls? or no need to invis and just sinister strike is fine?

[river wing]

ss > ambush

ambush doesn't generate opp procs without HO

which you don't take

there is no reason to press ambush, ever

[hollow sonnet]

nice ok thank you

[unique zealot]

hey guys warcraft logs are stuck ?

doesnt update

[errant fractal]

finally have crests to blow on my m+ (outlaw) set and I check what embelishments etc. to craft, every player is rocking something completely different

[placid vapor]

31% crit and 26% haste i think

no plume, i don't have it, i have skyreach crit trinket

[near osprey]

ok since im 288 like bis im 33% crit and 23% haste and i dont have plume either

i cant find any better sims that make a difference other then plume

[placid vapor]

i'm lower, 282 i still have crafted main hand and heroic krik's dagger both voidforged

[near osprey]

im currently 128k st

on sims

highest iseen is 133k

[placid vapor]

better sims for me is main hand Nexus point and myth crit ring from nexus aswell

rolled the haste mastery one 💀

[near osprey]

rip

[hardy thicket]

Difference is negliable and variance is likely also dependant on if you have a crafted MH or OH or rock 298 weapons. So I wouldnt stress about it. Put hunt on a crafted weapon if you have one and arcanoweave on an armor piece.

If you rock two 298 weapons likely just double arcanoweave I guess?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[sleek abyss]

Hey guys, i want to sim my outlaw for m+, but i do have no clue how to do it good, anyone can help me plz ?

[gaunt phoenix]

dungeonslice is fine

but it does undervalue haste a little bit

because it is 6 minutes

so thistle tea doesnt have time to run out bad

there is no solution to this other than run your own DungeonRoute sim

which i dont really have a guide on how to do that

[errant fractal]

Yeah I mean I have a max ilvl dagger to put in offhand but it has mastery on it, tho my current crafted hunt dagger is same so idfk lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i would like to for next tier

[sleek abyss]

Thanks a lot mate !

[fervent garden]

4 hour maintenance. jeeeeeesus.

[ashen birch]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7vFp8dqjY49BRTZD?fight=8&type=damage-done

does someone mind taking a look at this log and seeing if I'm making some consistent mistakes? Still getting used to the spec, so it's just a 10 to practice the rotation

[blissful idol]

@vivid vessel any idea how much title will be at the end of the season

[wary lodge]

Guys, some weeks ago I saw a spreadsheet or excel simulations for how much % damage every spec gains for every class buff (Skyfury, BattleShout, Arcane Int....) in both ST and aor or dungeon slice...

But now I cannot manage to find it, maybe I saw it in a Discord or smth...

Anyone knows that spreadsheet or can share it?

[inland acorn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wary lodge]

Thank you, I know that one, but I meant one including all specs, not only rogue simulatioms

[inland acorn]

Oh idk about that one

[gusty pagoda]

Dungeonslice should be simmed without buffs right?

Unless you play with a certain group that always provides the same buffs

[vivid vessel]

A few points above the io you will reach noob

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, just lust + your buffs

[fresh acorn]

My guess is title is gonna be like half 22s

[blissful idol]

I will go down fighting

[gusty pagoda]

What's the reasoning for simming with lust? I always interpreted dungeon slice as being the thrash fights in m+ and you won't have lust for the majority of those so I've been simming without lust so far

[glass mortar]

i mean

the output from dslice is just a calculator for your gear

[cinder relic]

Dslice is a boss, and then trash

[glass mortar]

the buffs only matter insofar as they might change your recommended stats

[cinder relic]

It lusts the boss

[glass mortar]

i dont think lust will tho

[gusty pagoda]

Okay so no need to sim slice with or without lust then

[vivid vessel]

also the meta for the past 3 expac has been to lust on cd

on trash aswell

[glass mortar]

doesnt really matter

i mean i dont turn off any of my raid buffs when i sim dslice

[gusty pagoda]

Maybe for rings and gems idk

[glass mortar]

idk which ones could impact ur stats tho

shaman buff maybe

[gusty pagoda]

Do u sim ST as well for m+?

[glass mortar]

no not rlly

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe slice without lust helps make up for overvalued haste

[gusty pagoda]

Because technically slice takes that into account

Guess Ill just run both and compare

[gaunt phoenix]

you should really just pluck a random dungeonroute and sim it

https://wago.io/LTwpBiuz_

it's also significantly faster to run than dslice

dungeonroute has its own quirks but it doesnt matter for outlaw

whatever wins for 1 route is gonna win for them all

You export a route and stick it into expert mode > footer in raidbots

you run it as patchwerk but it is overwritten to this route

[earnest sphinx]

[gaunt phoenix]

gaming

[eternal hound]

Dumb question

how much do we gain from skyfury?

[vivid vessel]

5/6

[frail veldt]

67

[gusty pagoda]

So I just pick a random dungeon and always sim that one

[vivid vessel]

pick spire or skyreach

every other dungeon has weird things like damage amps or whatever

(which wont be in simc so the boss will have way too much health)

[gusty pagoda]

Alr ty

[gaunt phoenix]

i like spire for the cleave boss

[vivid vessel]

ye same

[gaunt phoenix]

so cleave is evaluated somewhere

[formal thunder]

if that's the case, anyone got a route to share I can plug into raidbots?

[steel shadow]

does anyone have a good exboss profile with english tts

[gaunt phoenix]

sure

set bloodlust somewhere

[gusty pagoda]

Speaking of cleave

Is outlaw kinda bad at 2T cleave or is that just a skill issue from my end

[glass mortar]

its bad

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is not great at cleave

[gusty pagoda]

Thank god cuz frost mages destroy me on ick & crick

[glass mortar]

bf is expensive to maintain now

and the cleave % just went down significantly

its something like a 28% gain to have a second target rn?

last expac it could be as high as a 110% gain

[gusty pagoda]

Yeah I notice running out of energy sometimes when trying to maintain BF on 2T

[glass mortar]

was like a 90% gain on average

they deleted our low target cleave

[gusty pagoda]

But why

[glass mortar]

it makes law more interesting that it is target capped and also bad at low target counts idk

[lavish shoal]

Outlaw is so interesting

[vivid vessel]

cant be good at everything bro ..

[glass mortar]

so true

[gusty pagoda]

How about being good in ST, uncapped aoe and bad on low target cleave

[sick dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

[rustic nimbus]

combat rogue mogging outlaw in the great 2026

[light mountain]

cant be good at everything and also cant be good at anything 🙏

[vivid vessel]

at least we are tuned decently this tier

could have been a disaster

[light mountain]

well

tuned decently like halfway into the tier

fb was miserable

[vivid vessel]

well it only took like 20% aura buff

[light mountain]

and a minor sabbatical to prevent an overnerf

[frail veldt]

whats outlaw good at

[magic shuttle]

consistent damage (when it's tuned well)

[frail veldt]

other than low rolling

[gusty pagoda]

And still my masochist ass dropped unholy to go play outlaw

How one plays that spec without falling asleep is a mystery to me

[glass mortar]

LOL IS THIS REAL

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871188656357015623/1508875484023488603/image.png?ex=6a17214c&is=6a15cfcc&hm=d54b64f5cc4f11139f1ff2750a2e89a7038fda3f8d4709cc8ca012f62d1d7704&

[frail veldt]

bruv

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its just the typical

patch changes nothing

breaks half the game

[frail veldt]

very sus

they need a review bot or something

[stuck sparrow]

combat hasn't existed for 10 years blud

[frail veldt]

idk what their MRs are like

thats just wild

[stuck sparrow]

Why do uncs always mention combat

fr

[glass mortar]

could you imagine if we just logged in on a tuesday and were generating -10 energy/s

[stuck sparrow]

"yes i enjoy pressing sinister strike 10x then my snake buff goes red"

[glass mortar]

how do u even break this

did arcane have any changes today

[frail veldt]

hey never say never

[vivid vessel]

i can actually since our energy get nerfed every tier

[glass mortar]

so true

zac do i drink water for lunch like a good healthy adult or get a coffee

[frail veldt]

imagine if we slowly lose energy when out of combat

and we can only gain it back by hitting stuff

[frail veldt]

since when is coffee not healthy with lunch

[gaunt phoenix]

neither

[glass mortar]

!!!!

[glass mortar]

not as healthy as water

[gaunt phoenix]

there's water in it

so

[frail veldt]

coffee is 99% water

[gaunt phoenix]

checkmate

[frail veldt]

yeah

[gusty pagoda]

Beer also has water in it so might as well just get drunk

[glass mortar]

true, dunkalatte it is

[gusty pagoda]

Get that irish coffee, no one can tell

[livid pewter]

@gaunt phoenix can u explain me why its an 0.2% upgrade just by swapping mainstat gem from bracers into head piece lmao ?

[frail veldt]

prob should link full sim

the answer will be in there somewhere

[livid pewter]

na its not, its always - sim wants to have mainstat gem in the fkin head piece and i still have no clue why

[gaunt phoenix]

link it

[leaden sonnet]

Thats just where the sim puts it, because its slot 1

[livid pewter]

its not worth checking, just some crazy stuff
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/piug5ScM5yqQvXF7HMC5y2

[livid pewter]

might be the answer actually

[gaunt phoenix]

it does stick it in head on purpose

just to pick a slot

[frail veldt]

hmm

[gaunt phoenix]

but the reason it is 0.2% is probably just error precision

[frail veldt]

yeah why is it 0.2%

sus

[gaunt phoenix]

you have 0.1% error so 0.2% is within margin

[cerulean portal]

guys

do we swap assa tomorrow?

i mean reroll

[livid pewter]

whatever that means i trust you ❤️ haha, im just wondering about that since there is no diff at all

[glass mortar]

the numbers in blue

[livid pewter]

but 0.2% is maybe not worth checking at all

[gaunt phoenix]

when you run a sim, it is an average of many pulls, the final number could be +/- 0.1% of what the real average is

cuz you cant run 50 billion pulls without exploding the server

it's a statistical thing

cant get a perfect average

[livid pewter]

y i got it thanks ❤️

[craggy barn]

why would we swap

[deep tide]

AI Slop Aigentic bullshit.

[frail veldt]

nah ngl ai would do a lot better job

[deep tide]

Idk how AI modules work essentially with codebases like this.

[frail veldt]

wdym

[deep tide]

Well, there are interdependent pieces I don't think the context is like mono-repo'd.

[frail veldt]

yeah even then something like cursor review bot should have an understanding of the projects even in a polyrepo

[deep tide]

And there are different services, and stuff I'm sure they build skills for and stuff as it is. Just, I feel like for a game like WoW in particular, it'd be a disgustingly hard to manage the mesh of services.

[frail veldt]

and should 1000% flag a change like this

I think the dev team is underresourced

[cerulean portal]

idk they got buffs?:))

[frail veldt]

and always rushing to merge stuff in late

[deep tide]

Probably, I think there's like one monkey with cymbal's working on each class.

I'm sure each class has to be it's own like polyrepo right.

[frail veldt]

I would love to learn what it looks like on the inside

[deep tide]

Yeah, that part is kinda' interesting.

[frail veldt]

that would be pretty egregious

to split it up that much

[cerulean portal]

have u seen wowkeystonetrust?

wats dis

[frail veldt]

even companies like google use one giant monorepo lol

[deep tide]

Well, Borg was a mono-repo for a minute.

[frail veldt]

the devops headache of polyrepo is not worth it

if you want to move reasonably fast with updates

which blizz does a lot of

but thats my biased take as someone who has had to live in awful polyrepo environments

[deep tide]

I currently live in one.

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems like arcane has bonus mana regen at level 10 when the specialization is unlocked, and this slowly decreases per level until 30

for whatever reason the decrease per level continued to max

eventually going negative

[frail veldt]

ours is improving slowly but for a while we had like 6 projects and every MR touched all 6 and they all had their own set of approvals

but yeah idk what blizz has

who knows

someone become an insider

[deep tide]

That guy who got cancelled.

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel when are you applying to blizz

[deep tide]

Who was lying about him not talking about him working at blizzard / gloating to claim to work at blizzard.

[frail veldt]

pirate software?

[deep tide]

Yeah, that guy.

[vivid vessel]

never bro it sounds like the worst company to work for

[frail veldt]

LOL

nah you can fix it

[deep tide]

American companies can't be fixed unfortunately.

We need to burn them all to the ground.

Start from scratch.

[formal thunder]

at this point I'd let PirateSoftware be the rogue dev, just so we have one

[frail veldt]

nah

that dudes a goob

[cerulean portal]

thats why ppl leaving

[formal thunder]

yea, but at least there'd be someone to track down and kidnap

[deep tide]

Dear FBI agent, he wasn't serious.

[formal thunder]

I amn't

[high vector]

so uh in aa do i just cry

[deep tide]

Uh, ya'll know how there's the m33kaura currently for the Bladeflurry Reminder? Do you know if we can setup something similar for RTB, to remind us to roll? I know there's a soundpack reminder with CDM but.. I keep hearing the sound, getting distracted, and then not pressing the button.

[deep tide]

Depends on where it's pulled from to begin, but kinda'.

That first pull with the skitters depends a lot on your group, and your tank.. Well, and you stacking with the rest of them.

But, sometimes your uptime will get griefed because of bad green circles.

[gaunt phoenix]

idk what that meakaura is doing, if it is making a fake 13s buff that counts down when bf is activated, then it can do the same thing to rtb, though you have to add +30 when KIR is pressed

i don't think it can respond to your actual RTB stage

[deep tide]

I'll have to check.. I'm not sure if it's waiting 13 seconds or whatever.

[frail veldt]

You should be able to do that yeah

not sure if one is already created or not though

most people just track it visually

[tranquil tartan]

Should I send my bonus rolls in Seat (BiS Helmet + Mythic Chest/Gloves for Tier) or Skyreach (Mythic Chest + Trinket). Says the trinket is only 0.2% but that's without pushing it from 289 -> 298.

EDIT: Helmet technically isn't BiS, but I'm not killing Mythic Lura anytime soon lol.

[frail veldt]

prob compare the helm to just crafted helm

it might not be better than correctly statted crafted

[tranquil tartan]

It's the same stats I'd craft, so basically just 4 ilvls. Forgot to include that. I can craft helmet in like 1-2 more dungeons

Was leaning towards Skyreach because I can craft helmet and there is a chance I just get chest/gloves from either vault or pugging m chim/vorasius

[frail veldt]

I think theres a bis helm coming in the 0.7 patch too iirc

from the boss

well crit/haste

so prob bis

[tranquil tartan]

Oh dope, didn't know that. My rogue is like a week old haha

[frail veldt]

also

skyreach looks like it has a lot less items to get through

is seats loot table really that massive?

[midnight granite]

Yes

[low glade]

yeah it's enormous

[frail veldt]

yeah ngl

fuck that

[tranquil tartan]

That's with Catalyst items, but yes

[midnight granite]

Just loot it

[tranquil tartan]

It's like 10-12 items lol

[rancid silo]

crafting a helm similar to that is easier than trying to get a trinket

so I would roll SR

[twilit axle]

It really is that massive.

It is pretty much an entire leather set + 2 rings, trinket, and MH weapon if you've been rolling as outlaw.

[tranquil tartan]

That's what I was thinking too, haha

[twilit axle]

11 items

[uncut ginkgo]

champ plume or hero ranger insignia?

[tranquil tartan]

Craft Helmet and hope I get chest/gloves from either raid pugs or in vault to cata

[frail veldt]

sim

[rancid silo]

without lookin at sims prob plume

[uncut ginkgo]

sims its like less than 1ish%

between the 2

[rancid silo]

Plume is easier since no thinking.

[uncut ginkgo]

thats true

[high vector]

that made me wanted to cry

softcap blade flurry when

but i also feel like being 258 doesnt help me either need me more ilvl

[rancid silo]

Are we running dagger in OH cause if poisons application

[burnt dragon]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[wild rivet]

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[steel shadow]

no feather, guidon or prism?

[tranquil tartan]

Couple questions for m+ rotation.

I assume if BF is falling off I want to use it regardless of how many CPs I have at the time? (like even if I have 5-6 CP and it's about to fall off I should press it?)

I also have a couple times a dungeon where Adrenaline Rush comes off cooldown right as I get 6+ CP to spend BTE. Do I want to Adrenaline Rush to gain 0-1 CP to have it active during BTE, or do I want to spend my BTE then use Adrenaline Rush?

[glass mortar]

if BF falls off u refresh it top prio in aoe

regardless of cp gen yes

if ar comes off cd and u are full or close to full just finish with a dispatch then AR then bte

its ok

[quiet root]

yes always have BF up, but ideally you have the foresight to avoid situations like that

press dispatch first, then AR BTE

[tranquil tartan]

Ahh, dispatch. Makes sense.

So same questionif I'm in BTE reset. I've gotten like 4 resets before and after the first 2 casts AR came up.

Firstly, should I have hold BTE for X seconds if AR is coming up soon or should I just like spend BTE and do like:

BTE>BTE Reset>(AR Comes Up)>Dispatch>BTE Reset>etc.

[gaunt phoenix]

you are supposed to hold BtE if AR is within 30s cooldown but supercharged bte is bugged so it is very minimal to care about it

[quiet root]

hold BTE if AR is coming up soon in general, but if you somehow end up with AR coming up in the middle of your BTE chain, you should still dispatch AR BTE yes

but yeah if they never end up fixing the bug it doesn't matter i guess 🙂

[icy niche]

!misdirect

[tranquil tartan]

Awesome thanks. Just a general question. If I (accidently) spend BTE at 5 CP instead of 6+, how big of a DPS loss is it each time?

[gaunt phoenix]

can't really evaluate "each time"

if you were to permanently decide to bte at 5 if you land at 5, then it's like -2% dps

over an encounter

[viscid scaffold]

secondary arent that important this season around right? this should be somewhat fine to run with right?

[gaunt phoenix]

crit is important

we like crit

[tranquil tartan]

gotcha, I probably still do it like 2-4 times a dungeon. just curious how bad it was hurting me

[gaunt phoenix]

most people have like 30-35%? raw crit

before plume

[viscid scaffold]

damn

oh actualy almost doable with just rings

[safe pasture]

has anyone been able to make a semi functional ambush build or still no

like old hidden op type sheet

[gaunt phoenix]

nah

[safe pasture]

sadge

[gaunt phoenix]

need to much

2 points in summarily to connect to HO

[rancid silo]

How come even at like 40~ crit Vers is valued so low in sims?

Is crit just that strong

rather that much stronger than vers

[minor pumice]

should it be stronger until we get DRs?

[dull burrow]

what is the best way to sim aoe for outlaw? 6 target 40 second and maybe a 8 target 1m?

Or is dungeon slice good for outlaw?

[inland acorn]

!tricks

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[craggy barn]

not massive enough

[inland acorn]

Dslice is good, but it might slighlty undervalue haste

[dull burrow]

Thanks, will do a few different once then to make sure

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't necessarily have that impression?

i have 33% raw crit, which is 41% with full plume

recrafting my ring to haste vers is -0.4% dps

[rancid silo]

Im at 42% crit when I sim a recraft for my engineering helm crit is .3% better. Currently I have it on vers

[gaunt phoenix]

a whole 0.3% you say

[rancid silo]

I thought since im at negative vers with a total of like 3% it would value it more...

[rocky kiln]

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[pearl river]

hello i am outlaw reroller to be, i have all my bonus rolls available, for the maximum juice in ilvl and gains, which dungeons are going to be the best value, or for general ilvl rocket launch

[inland acorn]

Pit is bis

[rancid silo]

Pit of sock on

[pearl river]

sock on deez?

[safe pasture]

i think they say vers as a whole is just 1/2 a stat rn across the board

[inland acorn]

Pretty much almsot everything in pit is perfect for outlaw, including dagger OH

[pearl river]

nice ill be visiting the pit on saron

[inland acorn]

Just make sure your loot spec is set to sub/assassination

Outlaw can't loot daggers

[gaunt phoenix]

and dont change it back even after you get the dagger

[rancid silo]

The reset is crazy

[stuck sparrow]

wait do you not go hunt offhand

[gaunt phoenix]

ideally, no

[inland acorn]

Ideally you want 298 weapons

[gaunt phoenix]

298 weapons and 2 rando leather items with arcanoweave is bis

[inland acorn]

Its just that getting 298 with decent stats is a bit of pain, especially MH

[gaunt phoenix]

But crafted weapons is like -0.4%

[stuck sparrow]

salhadaar fist is fine

[inland acorn]

Yes

[stuck sparrow]

or the crown one

[inland acorn]

Nexus point one is also fine

[stuck sparrow]

plume in vault ig we take

[inland acorn]

No don't take it

Give it to me

[ancient cobalt]

omg chatt

thas a good helmet for da law

[tranquil tartan]

good trinket too

[inland acorn]

Trinket is easier to get with bonus roll vs helmet from seat that has billion pieces in loot pool

[ancient cobalt]

i took a socket boys

[inland acorn]

Smart

[tranquil tartan]

Anyone know what the exact value to get 25% haste is?

[inland acorn]

uh

[gaunt phoenix]

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