outlaw

[glass mortar]

also we nerfed how much bte needs crit but it still really needs crit

feel like id rather they just give us a crit damage amp on it somehow

over this whenever it doesnt crit it does pp damage thing

make it a normal nuke and gives us 240% crit damage on finishers or something

[fathom bramble]

and zero in is weird because it is just giving more crit for having crit

so it just loses value super fast

[glass mortar]

Critical hits with melee attacks refund energy and critical hits with gun attacks do 240% damage

ye zero in is abit weird because its crit scaling with a softcap

[warped flint]

is there a big difference if we don't run cloud cover in m+? having a hard time seeing ground effects

[glass mortar]

i mean thats how we were before i guess

they just added haste scaling to it

trickster might be worse then fatebound if ur not running CC

[gaunt phoenix]

cloud cover is like 5%? ahead of scruples

[glass mortar]

could just sim the alternative tho

[gaunt phoenix]

at that point just go fatebound

[glass mortar]

^

if cloud cover bothers u tho

pop it away from the stuff ur fighting

u dont need to touch it

it refreshes itself when it ends

i just run away from the cloud

[warped flint]

but if you pop it away from enemies doesn't it make it pointless?

[glass mortar]

no

the buff is on u

not in the cloud

[gaunt phoenix]

it's bugged

the cloud buff refreshes on you whether you are in the cloud or not

[glass mortar]

^ when it despawns

so u always get maximum duration

[vivid vessel]

thats how you do it

[glass mortar]

EARNED

not even majority jackpot???

nice rng bozo

[vivid vessel]

thgouhts

[glass mortar]

probably not playing sleight

[vivid vessel]

weran

this spec is so rng

so cringe

[glass mortar]

xdddddddddd

[vivid vessel]

i get tilted every week

doing reclear

i either do r1 or r20000

[glass mortar]

ur just shit sometimes ok

player rng issue surely

ur not supposed to login when u have the bad seed

[jolly geyser]

tompelvis

[warped flint]

ohh gotcha ty all

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar blue parsed on saladar

doing 146k st into 120k st on a boss with damage amp

i guess thats normal rng

acutally need to check

[olive talon]

Is it better to hold BtE for AR, AR for BtE, or neither and just AR -> dispatch if that's what's up

[gaunt phoenix]

you are supposed to hold BtE for AR if AR cd is under ~30s, but it's a bit bugged so the gain is minimal

[gaunt phoenix]

holding AR for BtE is generally not a thing but if AR is 1 finisher ahead then it's fine

[jolly geyser]

you listen to elvis a lot?

[vivid vessel]

huge bell

uh

sometimes

[jolly geyser]

so its not unusual

[vivid vessel]

i like a few songs

[keen belfry]

i have never felt so out of control of my dmg

playing any spec ever

[vivid vessel]

ye

[jolly geyser]

try legion outlaw

[keen belfry]

yes but game sucked back then

was the wild wild west

[jolly geyser]

nah, no idea about law in legion I was sinning

loved the poison bomb rng,not

[keen belfry]

i wonder if we will love +1 ttierset and just make RTB completely no thought, i think we would?

id prefer that over this 100p

[fathom bramble]

legion outlaw was more damage variance for sure but somehow felt more fair than this

at least you had the agency to try and recover

even if you just got unlucky forever

occasionally

[jolly geyser]

I lied I was outlaw for 1 tier, I switched to sin in nighthold. Just remembered

[fathom bramble]

sim from legion

[jolly geyser]

5 roll in legion was special

got it on bear boss kill

Ursoc

[fathom bramble]

somehow 20% waiting time at 65 apm

[jolly geyser]

nice trinket from that

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps an upward skew from highrolling tends to feel more fair

if you are not balanced around it

[rich basin]

was watching zac's stream

I assume this doesn't mean he casted pistol shot thrice

right? is just the proc

[craggy barn]

just the proc

[gaunt phoenix]

yea, it is automatically casted 2 more times

[rich basin]

and we get that upgraded version of dispatch

coup de grace, nothing changes in rotation?

we just cast it whenever we cast it?

weird

[gaunt phoenix]

that is also automatic yes

[rich basin]

not what i meant

something procced -> consume the proc thingy

wouldn't you want that to happen?

or bte is still higher

it's just weird if you know how killing machine dk mechanic works

[craggy barn]

bte is always higher prio

[rich basin]

whenever something procs, u insta consume it

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, coup de grace is still lower priority than bte and killing spree

[rich basin]

thanks

anyway, so far

this class is insanely fun

[gaunt phoenix]

otherwise you lose like 15 seconds of cooldown reduction on bte or ks

[rich basin]

and really "flowy" if it makes sense

[jolly geyser]

when its good its goood

[rich basin]

OHHHHHHH THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT

you want to reduce as many cds as possible

[frail veldt]

yarp

[kind otter]

is there any apm data for midnight?

[frail veldt]

Should be at simulationcraft.org

I think dh is wrong though

It counts picking up a soul as an action

[fathom bramble]

evoker is also autocasting their movement skill

which doesn't seem quite right to me

when it does 0 damage

[frail veldt]

And it's still at the bottom?

[fathom bramble]

yes

[frail veldt]

So it's even lower apm than it shows?

LOOOOL

[fathom bramble]

maybe only one of the 2 setups does it though I don't recall

[frail veldt]

Bro does that spec even press buttons

30apm is wild

[glass mortar]

scalecommander

just has insane uptime on hover

it gets refunds from breath and u breath a fair amount

i think its in their aple to dump charges before breathing

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[glass mortar]

apl padding for 30 apm spec goes crazy

[fathom bramble]

it's adding like 5 apm

[glass mortar]

its a very pretty 30 apm spec tho

[frail veldt]

Bahahaha

Hey remember

When blizz made you type advanced

[fathom bramble]

I guess that's how far ahead scalecommander is

in apm

[frail veldt]

Before making an evoker

[fathom bramble]

54% of the fight duration spent in disintegrate 🤔

seems fine

[frail veldt]

And we complain about ks

[glass mortar]

peak fantasy for a 30 apm spec ngl

[vivid vessel]

they chose to play that tho mewo

lol

the chose a caster

[glass mortar]

infinite death beam

[vivid vessel]

and then they chose the slowest caster

[glass mortar]

its for that certain type o player

[frail veldt]

Hey what if someone chose outlaw to channel a gun spray for 3.5 seconds

[fathom bramble]

maybe we should add sprint to our apl since it's up so much you might as well press it

thoughts ?

[vapid sundial]

true

[frail veldt]

Truuu

Evasion too

Also

Vial every KS

Prob won't hurt DPS

[jolly geyser]

haste should make sprint faster

the fuckin flash ovah here

[frail veldt]

I don't like that you go airborn if your move speed goes too high

Like if you walk over any amount of elevation

Def killed me a few times

[deep sequoia]

I vial/feint during ks usually lol

[frail veldt]

I don't feint I gotta save that shit

Def have to be way smarter about our defensives than ever before

[deep sequoia]

Usually during big pulls I send that shit on cd

Like skyreach first pull

Send that shit unless there’s nothing happening

Blade dance/ dread screech 1 shot me in a 19 and I never let feint fall off again during that pull lol

[frail veldt]

Yeah I save it for screech

Gotta track them casts dog

If you just press it on CD you won't have it by the end

[deep sequoia]

I usually hold evasion for when the wind elementals die

Those shits fuck

[vivid vessel]

but you cant have 100% uptime on feint tho

[deep sequoia]

You can if you truly believe

I miss float like a butterfly so much

That shit was so op

[glass mortar]

so op that outlaw least played melee spec in game like 80% of seasons

we had that back when we had 20% versa minimum every season man

its crazy how much we lost at once

[surreal flower]

Remember the vid from black rook hold of the outlaw rogue soaking the charge on the giant boss with evasion like 4 times in a row

[frail veldt]

You could do it for the whole boss

If you had decent enough rng

And didn't mess up your rotation at all

[zinc briar]

guys we are bad in crown, beloren etc..

we are bad in everything

[frail veldt]

Our cdr back then was insane

[zinc briar]

im tired of this..

[frail veldt]

Outlaws pretty decent right now

[zinc briar]

pretty decent = worst dps

[pastel sierra]

With you on the keys that might be true

[jolly geyser]

plastik one of the guys that dies 10sec in the key and blames tank

[frail veldt]

Maybe him skill issue

[rich basin]

i went through the faq list for outlaw

one thing i missed, any macros? i assume there are none as everything is gcd and conditioned

[gaunt phoenix]

No dps macros really

[ashen birch]

Wait, can you use evasion to dogs that are crap they drop on death?

[bright lodge]

You can macro /startattack before bte so it would auto acquire next target if crackshot/apex

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah, and pistol shot. Neither of them auto target

[rich basin]

Can you expand on that? i dont get it

[gaunt phoenix]

in keys, when your target dies, normally your next attack will auto target something

Bte and pistol shot wont do this though

[long barn]

Anyone know if Mimmic not showing Feint is blizz restriction

[rich basin]

ah dope

[cedar kernel]

how does the new wa looks like brothers, does it has thin border and beautiful?

[frail veldt]

wym

new wa visually has the same settings as before

its just a fork to support the new api

zacs UI looks almost identical to what it was in TWW

[deft jackal]

thats the best dungeon to use our rolls on?

[deep sequoia]

No it’s magic damage

They do aoe damage when they die

And they usually die around the same time

[deep sequoia]

Pit of saron by far

[cedar kernel]

how does it looks like, do we still make it looks like this my brother mewo

just the ui, not the function

[frail veldt]

Yep

[cedar kernel]

hmm okay

[frail veldt]

Go watch zacs stream

[cedar kernel]

i will, ty brother

[earnest sphinx]

i am getting much more invites as outlaw than sub

i am not timing anything though

[ancient veldt]

so after the bubble goes down right, tricks tank,RtB, then what

im so fucking shit i just started i WANT TO LEARN THIS

[vivid vessel]

then you read the faq i think

#outlaw-faq

its quite good

[last cape]

read the faq until you can recite it from memory

[frail veldt]

you shouldnt have expected to haha

[last cape]

bro ima lose all my mechanics next semester

im taking control system, thermal fluids, and heat transfer in one semester

[frail veldt]

whats that mean

[last cape]

[frail veldt]

controls is my favorite subject

[last cape]

i won’t even have time to play

[frail veldt]

that and kalman filters

[last cape]

i’ll hit you up when i need help then

xd

[frail veldt]

yeah bro I quit wow for all of college

[last cape]

might be the method

i only got like

this last year

[robust blade]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[earnest sphinx]

first outlaw key timed !!

[wintry solar]

Game still bad?

[keen belfry]

get guidon and 27% haste feels better

if u ignore rtb

[wintry solar]

On vacation and haven't thought of WoW once. Secret tech unlocked

[keen cedar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tgyp27bdG9DKZ8NW?fight=1&type=damage-done Yo boyz, is there any1 who can help me, I have a feeling I am doing less dmg than I should my log on this one is 65, and dng was pretty smooth

[dull geyser]

can somone do a vod review for money?

been trying to get someone to help me but no luck

[fair iron]

so do we actually swap talents/poisons for mt?

swapped poisons but not talents for my 20 and seemed unnoticeable but maybe i’m cooked

rip details

[pure folio]

Send link

[trim harbor]

Wym ignore rtb

[wild bobcat]

when send guidon? just on CD?

[fair iron]

rtb still feels bad, just not energy

[trim harbor]

I macroed it to ar

And if they dont alight pop it manually

[half bear]

Wsgggg, so im tryna learn this spec to feel like a true rogue master

Where can I find a good rotation guide?

[gaunt phoenix]

my #outlaw-faq !

[hardy vault]

Wait did I just read use guidon

In outlaw chat

Is energy really this bad?

[fair iron]

feels go hard

[frail veldt]

Ye

[buoyant stratus]

It aint bad

Feathers better but not evwryone is loot blessed

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix got plume

Saved no more guidon questions now

[gaunt phoenix]

guidon secret tech for energy and zero in procs for burst

[earnest sphinx]

Still no head though

[vivid vessel]

i mean the crafted head isnt bad

[earnest sphinx]

so no head

Cool lil glasses though

[vapid sundial]

tinder is good for that

[dull geyser]

sent to you

[lapis meadow]

uh has anyone else noticed their RTB falling off when you get sent downstairs on L'ura?

hit a jackpot, KiR, sent downstairs and its gone

[vivid vessel]

^

[lapis meadow]

thx

[steel shadow]

outlaw rogues

show me your drip.

[craggy barn]

u sure

[sturdy hamlet]

What poison do you guys like to apply normally

[gritty hamlet]

so in keys one of a kind is supposed to be rare?

oh, weird, the delve build doesn't have sleight of hand lol.

[craggy barn]

instant as our lethal in most cases
atrophic as our nonlethal in most cases

[stuck sparrow]

90% of the time people are just going to post thunderfury

or MT rapiers

[craggy barn]

whats the 10%

[stuck sparrow]

with the occasional pvp andy who posts the tbc sword

with some obnoxious enchant

[craggy barn]

have u seen this tho

[stuck sparrow]

that doesnt fit the rest of the mog

idk bro im just a farmer rn

with my shovel and gardening tool

[craggy barn]

i have a scarecrow mog like that

[stuck sparrow]

pvp and nostalgia andys are the worst

they try to force tabards and illusions into mogs

that dont work at all

[craggy barn]

ive got this one

[stuck sparrow]

i forgot what the choppers are

actually pretty cool for not fullsetting

undead legs kind of hide if your pants fit though

[keen belfry]

Yes

[craggy barn]

heres my deathstalker mog

[stuck sparrow]

guidon on outlaw?

WHAT THE HELLY

[craggy barn]

yea myth guidon is ok

better than most hero trinkets

[stuck sparrow]

isnt it worse than solareflare

[craggy barn]

its slightly worse than myth solar flare

its an ok option if u dont have hero/myth plume

[stuck sparrow]

didnt even notice harvest golem stuff was same color as the coat

good catch

[craggy barn]

yuh

very good combo for undead

imo

bone undead

skinless undead*

[stuck sparrow]

idk about other races

harvest golem actually one of their better cosmetic sets

[craggy barn]

the mask is so scuffed for so many races

[stuck sparrow]

its fine on the good races

(im aware this sentence sounds crazy out of context)

[gritty hamlet]

I like using one of our TWW sets with ghostblades, so nice we can use that on outlaw now

I'd post it but "full set" 😄

[stuck sparrow]

modified plunderstorm set+MT rapiers

[velvet tundra]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VfzGQTJbCmakq6Hx

wtf am i doing wrong? seems so imple but idk where im messing up

[gritty hamlet]

my current set is just one of the civilian sets in void elf colors cause I'm a basic b

[stuck sparrow]

Not changing your mog 4-5x in a given day.

Shame

[gritty hamlet]

Haha, I should change it more often but I just like being thematic for midnight

posted it in #transmog but it's another "full set"

[stuck sparrow]

male velf

[gritty hamlet]

Hey, at least I'm a proud velf unlike the high elf fans

I like the shadowblade fantasy

[stuck sparrow]

its more of

emphasis on MALE

[gritty hamlet]

I've tried so hard to have a feminine elf in the past and I just struggle with them being tiny and their poor scoliosis spines

[stuck sparrow]

the spine is straight

[gritty hamlet]

then whatever the hell is wrong with their hips

I already get annoyed enough that male blood elf helms constantly clip into their chests

[stuck sparrow]

Looks fine to me?

[dull geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z1tLQ2YHxngrWChk?fight=41&type=damage-done

can someone take a look at this 20MC and tell me what im doing wrong? im still missing out on some dmg and need help lol

[ornate ledge]

guys is the a BtE / dispatch macro that prio BtE over the other on finishers?

[river wing]

no

you just gotta do it manually

[ornate ledge]

aight cheers

[frail veldt]

anyone have the beams on kasreth in nxp do full damage even if you have the arrow?

fun bug ig?

[pliant heath]

you have the arrow during the cast too, but you dont have the real debuff until the cast completes

prob went in too early

[frail veldt]

I was waiting quite a while cuz I was holding for two beams

maybe he like reapplied at the moment I jumped in? idk

[pliant heath]

if you let the beam spawn on you, im p sure that kills you too

[frail veldt]

nah I grappled onto it

[hardy thicket]

You need to have the circle thing spawn around you before you can break. I've grappled in like 0,1s too early only to get insta one shot

I watched back the VOD and the circle spawned on me like 0,1s too late when I just landed in the beams

[exotic zealot]

is there a graphics setting I can change so I dont have to see the smoke cloud from AR?

[frail veldt]

nope

can lower particle density

but just something we have to learn to see through

[exotic zealot]

alright ty

[rich basin]

is solo here :D?

[gaunt phoenix]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-lick-flip--k01KQ7YSPQ64T0N7E3YBJKP9ZSX

[rich basin]

the thing u said about PS and BTE is not entirely true

i have this on

and it works normally

[gaunt phoenix]

Ok

[rich basin]

no need for /startattack

[gaunt phoenix]

The more you know

[rich basin]

sometimes, after i bte with 7 cps, i get refunded 6 instead of 5

am i missing smth?

[gaunt phoenix]

The ruthlessness passive can overflow

[rich basin]

in that case, i can chain bte -> bte -> bte, correct?

[gaunt phoenix]

At 7cp it is 140% chance

[rich basin]

or for simplicity sake i should always ps/ss inbetween

[gaunt phoenix]

So 40% to get another cp

You just bte again yes

[river wing]

you can chain bte as long as you end up with 6

[rich basin]

dope dope

ty

[slow granite]

What's the /startattack thing about?

I might have missed something

[rich basin]

.

read it here

[vast mauve]

does anyone know if KUI nameplates works in midnight?

looking for that old jpc profile

[inland acorn]

Jpc profile

[vast mauve]

i mean, his old nameplates looked cool af

so why not

[inland acorn]

I dont think kui has been updated for midnight

[vast mauve]

dang

[inland acorn]

Maybe there's fork somewhere but i didnt hear anything about it

[vast mauve]

fork?

[inland acorn]

Copy of kui on github that someone maybe maintains

[vast mauve]

ah

im gonna investigate after this key

[inland acorn]

But i doubt, i didn't hear anyone finding anything

[vast mauve]

prayge

[normal hawk]

Yo maerik

do you know if u need to be raid lead to use the lura runes buttons?

in nsrt

[frozen quest]

love my stats now buffed with flask

[deep sequoia]

Holy bis

Gimme that helmet

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[deep sequoia]

Greetings

[frozen quest]

seat bonus roll 😄

[inland acorn]

There should be note under it in nsrt explaining

Think it needs to be tank as raid lead + 2 healers with assist

[normal hawk]

Yea says mythic

didnt know if that was for heroic as well

[inland acorn]

for heroic, i'm not sure

Probably best if person clicking macros has raidlead, just to be safe. We have not been to hc lura for like almost 2 months now

[craggy sentinel]

hey, I have 22.45%haste and 37% crit, I should use haste flask or crit ?

[inland acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[quiet root]

yeah sim yourself but it's gonna turn out to be haste

[craggy sentinel]

its always saying thet crit flask is better but should not I have 25% haste ?

also sim is saying that crafted weapon is better than myth weapon while everywhere is said that Myth weapon is better 😄

I dont know already what to trust

[gaunt phoenix]

You don't need 25% exactly but it is more comfortable

[mighty pivot]

is the crafted weapon embellished?

[craggy sentinel]

yes, I am simming with embellished weapon, ring, boots, and myth weapon

[loud moat]

If you've got the Myth weapon active over the crafted embellished one, do you have both embellishment slots active elsewhere?

[wide shore]

try simming embellished weapon, boots with arcano, another crafted piece with arcano, and myth weapon. Also may depend which myth weapon

[earnest sphinx]

R yall using the TBC sharpening stone on offhand?

[surreal latch]

Isn't it on main hand that it matters ?

Isn't OH only for stats and not damage ?

[earnest sphinx]

Not sure thats why i am asking

[pastel sierra]

Only MH

[river wing]

wait, what
are people using adamantite sharpening stone?...I mean it's 4 weapon damage, innit, it's like 3 item levels probably...

lmao so it is
huh

[gaunt phoenix]

Infinite dmg hack

[surreal latch]

yeah it's worth it if you already have enough haste/crit

[river wing]

well I figure I do, 43% crit unbuffed with FB, and like 24% haste also
might try it lol

[earnest sphinx]

👍

[formal thunder]

how do I sim the Adamantite Sharpening Stone?

[trail sparrow]

!bte

[arctic hollow]

Fuck the sharpening stone doesnt work on fist weapon

[burnt dragon]

weightstone?

[arctic hollow]

of course i'm dumb

Now do we buy a huge stock or is it gonna be fixed

[river wing]

I expect it will be autofixed by S2 providing weapons over 320 ilvl

until then, IDK

[arctic hollow]

makes sense, thanks

[earnest sphinx]

its been a thing for a bit now

[daring venture]

Hey guys, just to be sure in MM+ should we play Sleight of Hand ?

[river wing]

it's personal pref node choice over Acro
but I'd say the consistency is way worth losing current Acro

it's like -300-400 DPS in exchange for not being fucked by 1s so often

[daring venture]

damn

it's weird to play without acro ngl

[vivid vessel]

acro is just attack speed wdym

nvm

its auto attack damage

doesnt even do anything

[daring venture]

ohhhh I mixed up Acrobatic Strikes with Deft Maneuvers

mb

same icon tho

[vivid vessel]

blizzard likes reusing icons 10 times in a trree

[daring venture]

fr

[vivid vessel]

banger alert

[gaunt palm]

leak the number

[formal knot]

4

[vivid vessel]

well there is no number

im simming a random droute

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sQTCcsMRVPGx4voJrRATT6

[gaunt palm]

higher number = better

[vivid vessel]

well ye but

higher than what

[gaunt palm]

than lower numbers

im trolling sry

[frozen quest]

what AA dungeonbuff do we take ? versa?

[river wing]

crit or haste

prob crit

[frozen quest]

with 43 crit and 25 haste

[river wing]

p sure crit is still king tbh

[soft abyss]

vers could be good too

3%vers is more than 3%crit and haste

But we have no way of knowing

for Assa that wants too much haste vers is a bit better cause it gives some tankiness too

[buoyant stratus]

I think u just take versa so manavoid doesnt kill u ngl

Versa also scales the hardest due to the raw value of 3% versa compared to its rating

And if youre 43 crit 25 haste already then youre in the threshold where sims start liking versa/mast more

[soft abyss]

how do you you survive the mana void like really ? I needed to be 100% and feinted to be living it with like 5-10%

[vivid vessel]

whats mana void

the trash or the boss one

[soft abyss]

I thought boss one

I have really big problems at 19's

how are you doing 22

Although I am playing assa

[vivid vessel]

what i do is feint + vial for the normal ones

well we have the same defs

[earnest sphinx]

vial best def ingame 💯

[soft abyss]

trickster isn't a bit better?

[vivid vessel]

and then i do feint + evasion for the overlaps

or just cloak late

for the overlap

trickster is 5% dr

[buoyant stratus]

Trash

[vivid vessel]

but fatebound has the other thing that makes you dodge damage

[buoyant stratus]

Manabomb is vex

[vivid vessel]

trickster prolly a bit better

but like ye

[buoyant stratus]

Manavoid + foragers

[vivid vessel]

idk i dont have issue on this boss

[buoyant stratus]

[vivid vessel]

for trash i just feint + vial, or feint + evasion, or cloak

[buoyant stratus]

Ye vex is insanely chill

[vivid vessel]

if we have foragers on boss we have only 1 at a time now

and i kidney it when i feel unsafe

[buoyant stratus]

Thats what ive been saying man

Play a battle axe instead idk

Demons wanna play 4 and burst them dowb

Like bro someone is gonna die

[unborn turtle]

Just live 4head

[vivid vessel]

we do this @buoyant stratus

one axe + one forager into one axe + forager

[buoyant stratus]

Yeee thats pretty lit

Have u tried vex first?

[vivid vessel]

no

[buoyant stratus]

Instead of crawth first

I swear that shit is insanely fast

[vivid vessel]

idk

why

i dont see how its different

[buoyant stratus]

U cut a pull

[vivid vessel]

do you

[buoyant stratus]

Im not at pc but ill link a route

Later

[random stirrup]

does your tank just die if you attempt the triple pull at vex as phys?

[vivid vessel]

idk

we dont have enough stops

not in voice

waht are we gonna do

[random stirrup]

there's the tech where u put all the channels on same cd no

sync them into monksea sweep as all 4 go off

[gaunt palm]

We tried this, and it allows to pull small worms on the miniboss too for funnel, pretty nice

[vivid vessel]

and then you take a worm jump when you are soaking the aoe

[gaunt palm]

Well you dont soak aoe then hehe

There is a spot where u can LOS very easily on the pillars so np

[vivid vessel]

sounds like you are losing time then gg

idk

[buoyant stratus]

Somethin like that

[vivid vessel]

i dont like academy

[vivid vessel]

well this particular route looks very bad

[rough oriole]

ah speaking of AA

any tips for the first big pull?

[vivid vessel]

idk i like our route cause we skip rp on overgrown boss

[buoyant stratus]

If ur tank positions on wall properly u lose maybe 1 global a circle which is made up for with arms funnel anyway

[gaunt palm]

This is our cook

[vivid vessel]

ye this is way better

[gaunt palm]

but my tank doesnt wanna do it

he likes to press W more

[vivid vessel]

but you do overgrown trash in 2 pulls ?

or

[gaunt palm]

well

chain kinda

[buoyant stratus]

Ye idk if lashers without lust is doable for monk

Ik bear can do

[gaunt palm]

we didnt decide what we would do on 23

cus our tank is NightElf

hehe

[random stirrup]

roll jackpot

[vivid vessel]

but idk tho cause like

how do you do big pull with brew

he already cant do at start of key

with lust and all cds

you are coming out of crawth

he is dying on crawth

[vapid aspen]

Hi, is there an addon telling you how many target you currently hit with your BF ?

[vivid vessel]

i hate academy

its such a bad dungeon

every mob is bad

[gaunt palm]

I gues you have to pull 2 at a time and prio.. no other way.

But atleast this way, you dont insta deplete your 23 doing the normal route

[pure folio]

That pull is hell for brew

[vivid vessel]

ye

[gaunt palm]

The main issue is that so much dmg is lost to small fuckers in first pull. I was trying to cook with cripppling poison/shaman root on smallies, and then kite away to have the lashers+skitters alone. The faster the lashers die, the safer for tank, and the faster the boss RP starts

[vivid vessel]

ye but

tank told me he might actually be squishier that way

cause he doesnt get meleed

and then he doesnt refresh cds

or whatever

[gaunt palm]

Ah

Sounds like a tank problem no?

trying to fix the timer here

(and my overall)

[vivid vessel]

sure but tank dies

then timer gg anywya

[pure folio]

Idk what key level Ur up to but I found in my 20/21 that not pulling either skitterflies makes it much easier

[vivid vessel]

well we do skip one

for funnel on bsos

[gaunt palm]

ye idk we havnt done a clean 22 yet, I suspect 23 will be endgame of this season

[vivid vessel]

we timed 22 and never went in academy again

[random stirrup]

Full 298 in .7

[gaunt palm]

is it actually tho?

[vivid vessel]

no but you get 2 more pieces

head and belt

rest is not usable

[gaunt palm]

ok good

would be lame with a too big .7 powerspike imo

[random stirrup]

I would not put it past them to just make it everything

[vivid vessel]

i dont think they will

seems like they wanted a more granular level up this time

we are also getting a new thing tho i think

i forgot

rings?

like another cringe

ring island thingy

did you guys know details doesnt work with pets of other people or whatever

i didnt

like dk details is higher on his own than on other people screen

so good !

[gaunt palm]

hmmm sounds like sandbagging to me

[vivid vessel]

maybe blizzard will fix their details for next expac

[gaunt palm]

There is also like a certain yd range difference thats worse now than previous right?

not that it rlly matters in keys

[vivid vessel]

i think its the same as before but not sure

tho its funny cause i swear they said it would be server side

and these things wouldnt happen anymore

guess they lied again

[gaunt palm]

Atleast im not paying blizzard for the game itself, for the ability to play the game every month, and for the ability to buy consumables to play the game, right?

[vivid vessel]

[inland acorn]

Dont forget expansions every ~2 years

[vivid vessel]

i dont think there is a game that cost as much as wow

also you need to buy race change

like you actually need to

[gaunt palm]

I think I probably spent more money on League skins back in the day tbh

and it was free

[vivid vessel]

and back in the days you needed to buy faction/server changes

[gaunt palm]

[vivid vessel]

ok but thats a choice

you can also buy things in wow

like transmog and shit

if you wnat

[gaunt palm]

ye true

[vivid vessel]

and housing

like they do it aswell

[inland acorn]

When stream from housing zac

[vivid vessel]

i dont have a house

well i have one to tp to it

cuase thats a dps gain

[gaunt palm]

Build a house with Zac stream

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt palm]

would go hard right after delving

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

i wanna play wow

[zinc briar]

are we viable in beloren?

[vivid vessel]

yes

beloren isnt about egg phase anymore

[zinc briar]

we win tanks there?

[vivid vessel]

the best damage profile on beloren

if you are progging it now

is bird/little egg damage

and p2 damage

if you are a guild progging rn you wanna phase boss as fast as possible in p2

[gaunt palm]

Some ppl even holding CDs for p2 dmg to push it faster

[vivid vessel]

to make it easier

ye

so i think outlaw is quite good ont it

we just get kinda fucked by p1 damge hold tho

but i guess its hwatever just go afk for a bit

[inland acorn]

Pool energy and tea

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt palm

show yours

[gaunt palm]

fully gemmed too EZ

[vivid vessel]

[inland acorn]

No +3 stam enchant on gloves

[gaunt palm]

Crafted wep?

[vivid vessel]

i mean

you dont have a socket on belt

lil bro

[gaunt palm]

Yes I do

[vivid vessel]

oh wait htats

i saw the other guy

ok listen

[inland acorn]

He doesnt have + 3 stam on gloves

[vivid vessel]

i have 5% leech

wait i swear i had more

where did it go

[gaunt palm]

I have speed

which is bis

faster to the pack

more dps

[sturdy hamlet]

Are these the thunder fury swords?

[inland acorn]

Just sprint bro

[gaunt palm]

yessir

[sturdy hamlet]

So clean

[vivid vessel]

am i missing an enchant

[sturdy hamlet]

New to game still hunting a cool sword tmog

[gaunt palm]

wdym?

[vivid vessel]

yesterday i had 9% leech

i have 5 now

how

[gaunt palm]

buff from MC?

[vivid vessel]

do you have more leech in raid or what

no

is there a raid buff that gives leech

[gaunt palm]

AH LOL

the talent

[vivid vessel]

ah

[thorn parrot]

Mystery solved

[vivid vessel]

nice

huge leecher

you have that lil bro?

[gaunt palm]

Is it your boots? Buying gold cap BOE's ? pff

[vivid vessel]

ye

[gaunt palm]

who is funding zac and can I get in on it?

[vivid vessel]

bought 2 boes boots

and 1 pant

needed to gear the alt aswell

[vivid vessel]

idk every tier we boost some keys

and we do raid boost

[sturdy hamlet]

Your guys trinkets

[vivid vessel]

ye

only noobs dont have plume

[gaunt palm]

Self made man I see

[blissful idol]

can i pug mythic bird? is that gonna happen ever?

[vivid vessel]

ye

i think

in a group that killed it

idk i htink the boss is easy rn

way easier than alleria

[blissful idol]

should be with so much gear right

[vivid vessel]

i think maybe the only issue would be orb soaks

cause you still assign people with imunes and shit to make it easier

specially out of intermission

[blissful idol]

should be some gamer groups on reset

[vivid vessel]

but hunters soaking lines also helps a lot

but otherwise

the rest

all ranges soaking circles

[blissful idol]

you don't 1 phase it right

[vivid vessel]

no

nuking p2

idk

its kidna easy

[sturdy hamlet]

Is plume better than the trinket from crown?

[vivid vessel]

ye way better

[blissful idol]

yeah i'd like mythic feather

[vivid vessel]

that trinket is st only

[blissful idol]

got heroic only

[sturdy hamlet]

Okay gotcha

So ideal I’m guessing is gaze and plume

[blissful idol]

yes

[sacred rune]

you overestimate peoples ability to match colors

[vivid vessel]

well

im not saying it would be free to pug

but i think its a pugable boss by the end of the tier

[sacred rune]

i am just saying

[vivid vessel]

with a group that kileld it

[sacred rune]

i was surprised how many players in our guild did fail at

"stand in dark with dark debuff, stand in light with light debuff"

tho aleria also has a lot of fail potential

[blissful idol]

Would be a nice upgrade if I can get my hands on it

I don’t like raiding that much

I mean I would but my last guild had no loot council

So I left that shit

[frozen quest]

still sitting on hc legs need mythic xd

[novel birch]

Look mom, no Aug

[grim spear]

With the 10% buff, the new 12.0.7 codex, and higher ilvls, 2 healer group should be able to kill the egg in one turn

[gusty pagoda]

are pugs just unable to kill beloren? Think I just wasted 3 hours wiping on it over several groups

why does every good trinket need to come from raid it's such dog content

[nimble wasp]

ey mates, i want to try play outlaw, some tips for play it?

something basic to know?

[grim spear]

Because M+ has way more to offer, raid loot has practically been stripped bare at this point.

M+ occupies an absurdly oversized niche in the loot system, and it's completely unnecessary.

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think the share between m+ loot and raid loot is fine

m+ is like

you can gear up but it will all be kinda rng dogshit you wear

suboptimal pieces or trinkets

while raid is more targeted

if you raid you will have actual bis in every slot

[grim spear]

M+ drops way too much heroic gear, making the first week of every season a massive grind

[vivid vessel]

sure but

i thik heroic shouldnt have a lockout

[grim spear]

tbh, they could just remove one upgrade track entirely

[vivid vessel]

so you can do the same in hc without having to do splits

[grim spear]

farming gear through M+ is just pure torture

[vivid vessel]

because rn

m+ gearing is basically heroic gearing if you are liquid and do splits

like the only way normal humans dont have to do 20 splits week one

[grim spear]

[vivid vessel]

is cause m+ gear exist

otherwise you would be 50 ilvl under liquid week 1

i think heroic shouldnt have a lockout

so you can just farm bis gear in heroic

and you dont need to do splits anymore

[grim spear]

tbh there's no need for a Heroic track at all. Just remove one difficulty and go straight to Mythic raiding.

[vivid vessel]

just do heroic with main comp 3/4 times first week

[vivid vessel]

i mean thats not true tho

you need it to gear up and most heroic is still a difficulty curve for a lot of people

[grim spear]

I just don't think this gear curve needs to exist.

[vivid vessel]

idk its wow

if it was up to me there would be no gear at all

but its still wow

its a game about gearing up

[grim spear]

Start with the Veteran and Champion gear from pre-season and just raid directly.
Remove Heroic drops entirely, reduce Mythic gear to the current Heroic level and scale the difficulty down accordingly

[vivid vessel]

and killing bosses

[vivid vessel]

bust most people cant even do mythic

what are you on about

[grim spear]

M+ shouldn't need to drop loot either. Just give out gear through Voidcore and Vault based on time spent.

I honestly don't get the point of grinding a whole set of temporary gear in the first few days, and I don't get the point of watching RWF streamers do split runs either.

[vivid vessel]

but

most people

dont ever do mythic

they pug heroic

then they might pug mythic first 3

if they are determined

[sturdy hamlet]

me rn ^ lol

[grim spear]

That's fine too, right? We've got Voidcore and the Vault handing out gear on a weekly basis anyway

[vivid vessel]

bro but

they need to kill bnosses

lol

these people cant do mythic

you cant just remove heroic

[grim spear]

m+10 vault

so easy rn

[vivid vessel]

bro forget gear lol

[gusty pagoda]

I just hate being forced to raid to get good trinkets

[vivid vessel]

you need content

for noobs

its heroic

[grim spear]

m0

[vivid vessel]

they get to do the content

[grim spear]

normal

should do the thing

[gusty pagoda]

I dont mind getting a quick dreamrift kill but wasting multiple hours on content I hate feels bad

[vivid vessel]

but there is a huge difference between normal and mythic

[gusty pagoda]

Id rather play league of legends than raid in wow ngl

[grim spear]

m+ for grinding feels so shit

[vivid vessel]

ye heroic shouldnt have a lockout

:D

[cinder relic]

I love checking in on here sometimes

Remove heroic

[vivid vessel]

removing heroic is mega stuppid

but i think heroic and lower having a lockout is stupid because its bypassed by splits

[gusty pagoda]

Why cant like +17-18 or something give a token that u can use to claim raid trinkets or shit like that

[vivid vessel]

and m+ doesnt have a lockout

while giving same ilvl

so

should not be any heroic lockout

[cinder relic]

I think the alternative playstyle would be ass idk

I'd rather not pug 10 chimerus

[vivid vessel]

you do splits anyway

[gusty pagoda]

Just remove raids

[vivid vessel]

would you not rather do 3/4 heroic raid week 1

with your main char

instead of doing 3/4 heroic raid week 1

but on random chars

[grim spear]

There are way too many tracks rn

[vivid vessel]

that get no gear

cause its splitted

lol

[grim spear]

To me, the most pointless thing is grinding gear through M+ , it's the most painful part of every season.

i mean

every season

[gusty pagoda]

Crazy idea but maybe don't force m+ players to raid and vice versa

We dont force raiders to pvp for bis either

[arctic hollow]

We dont anymore

[grim spear]

M+ players don't need to do raid, tbh

[gusty pagoda]

M+ doesnt have good trinkets for pretty much any class

[soft abyss]

huh ? trinkets are fine

you lose like what ? 1%?

[gusty pagoda]

Was this ever the case? I know about forcing pvp'ers to pve but not the other way around

[vivid vessel]

yes

in shadowland i was pvping every season

[gusty pagoda]

Heroic feather is apparently better than mythic prism so

[vivid vessel]

also in df i remember

even in tww

[gusty pagoda]

What dropped from pvp then?

[vivid vessel]

but i think that was more about degenerate behavior

in tww

[grim spear]

You don't actually need those optional stuff, but raid players are genuinely forced to run a ton of M+ early every season.

[vivid vessel]

some of your bis if you were vers wearer

and i think pvp trinket

was bis for a few specs

i rmemeber winwalker monk

[gusty pagoda]

Ye thats cringe

[vivid vessel]

with the covenant ability

was 1min spec

[gusty pagoda]

But they removed that

[vivid vessel]

and you wanted the trinket

[soft abyss]

but who cares about 1% dmg

also assa loses more than 1% if he doesn't get box

so raiders lose more than m+

[gusty pagoda]

If 1% doesnt matter then why even enchant shit etc

[vivid vessel]

i mean raiders are forced to m+ and vice versa

[arctic hollow]

Heroic feather is just about on par with myth prism and myth feather is .7 ahead

[soft abyss]

I agree, you don't need those things

you are doing them cause you want to play the game

nothing is forced upon you

[arctic hollow]

About the power of a bonus socket

[gusty pagoda]

Im just going to gaslight myself into believing raid trinkets don't exist

So what would you run with prism then? The WRS trinket?

[sturdy hamlet]

SAME

[grim spear]

You're not missing out on that little bit of damage anyway.

If it were something like Spymaster's Web I could understand, but this season?

[cinder relic]

Pvp used to be a part of pve gearing for awhile yeah

[gusty pagoda]

Personally I would prefer pvping for trinkets over raid but I understand most people wouldn't

[soft abyss]

I mean one is pve and one is pvp

and you are doing pve and pve

which is normally better than doing pve and pvp content for pve items

[frail veldt]

Nah that's very subjective

Raiding is pretty tough for a lot of people cuz it's a huge huge time commitment

Both m+ and pvp are very flexible content

[soft abyss]

yes but they are different content

If I like pve content it is better to have to do pve content than do pvp content

[grim spear]

raid is a huge, huge time commitment, so it needs unique content to draw people in.

[soft abyss]

also pvp at the moment has a very small % of people

I mean depends what you mean raid. Because heroic is puggable from week 2

You don't need to do mythic raiding for m+

[grim spear]

For raiding in its current state, the so called "unique rewards" are nothing more than trinkets with a measly 0.x% performance gain

[soft abyss]

especially when you are comparing heroic and myth trinkets

the gain is minimal

[grim spear]

And then M+ players think raiders shouldn't even have that.

Meanwhile, raiders are still forced to grind M+ for gear every single season

It really is painful

[frail veldt]

I just don't agree with that sentiment lol

I know lots of people who do m+ and pvp

[grim spear]

early season gear pressure is brutal. Trying to squeeze out a few extra ilvls before raid, I have to take leave from work every time just to keep up.

[frail veldt]

Heroic raid yeah is free

But I mean mythic

You can def pug stuff like Chim, this season is a lot better overall cuz of the split up raid

[frail veldt]

"forced"

[grim spear]

Honestly, having this many gear tracks and such a bloated upgrade path is completely unnecessary. It only exists to accommodate the fact that M+ is structured in tiers.

[frail veldt]

Outside of hof I think people are the ones forcing themselves

[frail veldt]

I think blizz likes people having to progress gear for so long

Probably keeps up player numbers

[grim spear]

That's the Myth track's job

the other tracks can't do that anyway

rn is just about getting gear handed out on a weekly basis

there's very little variety to it.

raiding or not

[gusty pagoda]

Also a big part of why I personally hate raiding is group loot

If you pug it's a nightmare

[random stirrup]

this does make raiding on tuesday really cringe

[vivid vessel]

m+ commitment is nothing compared to raid

[random stirrup]

its a lot better once you can convert up hero crests but even then

my fav is the extendo maintenance on a big new borrowed power patch into servers coming up 30mins before our raid time so its impossible to get the new stuff before it

[grim spear]

But it's exhausting and boring too

[frail veldt]

Raid just feels like a long list of chores

[grim spear]

low drop rates and way too much RNG, which is just incredibly frustrating.

[frail veldt]

Before you get to have any fun

[cinder relic]

The chores are the fun part. Splits are bad tho

[frail veldt]

I thought prog was the fun part

Splits are the chores

That's what I'm talking about

[cinder relic]

It's all fun

Splits are bad

[frail veldt]

Well splits are what I'm referring to

As chores

[cinder relic]

But 90% of the playerbase doesn't interface with splits

[random stirrup]

Splits are more fun than crest farming or voidshard farming

I dont mind splits