Nessa
#outlaw
buoyant stratus
vivid vessel
that plays with keyboard
ye
she was using tab target only
and i didnt know
that tab target was prio for casting mobs
and then i found out you could do these clear target target macro
to do tab target
which is pretty cool
ashen birch
dont you have to have no target first? otherwise its janky if you are on a prio mob then tab?
i feel like thats always been hit or miss
final pagoda
I guess u never target the caster?
I dont remember from your vod
so u basically have either kick on target or macro to clear+tab+kick ?
buoyant stratus
U just need a seperate bind
final pagoda
no focus kick ?
vivid vessel
this kciks the focus
if you have a focus
otherwise it does tab target
ideally i would want a separate bind
but
i have too many already
cause i have target/mouseover and then a focus/tab target
for every button
kick, blind, gouge, kidney
and shiv
final pagoda
just changed my macros
formal thunder
anyone know what causes the small puddles to spawn on the beam boss in Nexus Point? Is it on a timer? is it when you break lines? do more puddles drop when there's more lines?
final pagoda
if I break my key is ur fault zac
honest jetty
why would we play thief vers instead of flickering steel?
gaunt phoenix
its more dmg in theory, and dmg reduction
frail veldt
ideally i would want a separate bind
lol yeah I have all 3 but only for kick
I need to do that for kidney
and gouge
gaunt phoenix
but for trickster it's small enough that flickering steel is a compromise for better rng
honest jetty
idk was hitting dummy for a bit and felt luck of energy
vivid vessel
I need to do that for kidney
i think its a bit more finnicky for these
my theory is that you need to press them with gcd ready
cause if you spam
maybe you spam tab target ?
while gcd not ready
idk
i have never tested this
but i try to not spam the macro
with stuns
gaunt phoenix
idk was hitting dummy for a bit and felt luck of energy
you do lose energy
but the moments you have energy and good rolls are more dmg
flickering steel is like
5% of your total energy?
It's not completely keeping you afloat
it just helps you have less low moments
But the high moments are worse
but that's the compromise
honest jetty
It's not completely keeping you afloat
is that a reason ppl play guidon? and having better burst window
sullen walrus
why would we play thief vers instead of flickering steel?
ooo
sullen walrus
is that a reason ppl play guidon? and having better burst window
rubber rubber
gaunt phoenix
i think zac uses guidon cause he literally doesnt have plume
sullen walrus
idk was hitting dummy for a bit and felt luck of energy
how much haste do u have?
gaunt phoenix
Did you have to ping him 3 times?
honest jetty
how much haste do u have?
27% with flask
sullen walrus
Did you have to ping him 3 times?
it's my friend, i know him 🙂
sullen walrus
27% with flask
pm
jolly geyser
hmm
jolly geyser
surely
summer nimbus
The macro has existed for a while i think. i used the macro back in shadowlands when i was playing dk
vivid vessel
it has
round stump
vivid vessel
no one used it tho
summer nimbus
Its just annoying cuz u have to have more kick buttons keybound
Also a bit finicky with melee kicks
lone kite
do we still wanna play around flawless stacks or does it not matter that much anymore ?
gaunt phoenix
Doesnt matter
arctic hollow
!log
gaunt phoenix
@snow vessel is that you with r1 vorasius
snow vessel
Ye
gaunt phoenix
snow vessel
I think I have R1 lightblind vanguard too
round granite
I think I have R1 lightblind vanguard too
So good 👍
snow vessel
PoV you get 80% uptime of jackpot and triple buff 
vivid vessel
@snow vessel
snow vessel
I think I've done pretty well coming back to rogue for the first time in ages
gaunt phoenix
Your vorasius rolls were not that strange
gaunt phoenix
nice
vivid vessel
i managed to run out of energy with jackpot
vivid vessel
snow vessel
and I am just absolutely poverty moding
keen belfry
really well designed spec
vivid vessel
awang you think i ever outdamage zacrebleu with tomelvis
snow vessel
And ofc we killed
tulip warren
When starting to do 18/19 keys how much do I shoot myself in the foot going fatebound?
hasty warren
hi pitates
jolly geyser
the ronkussy the dmger
hasty warren
bruh
gaunt phoenix
I do like keys with 29% haste or w.e now
hasty warren
i'm tired zac sey
gaunt phoenix
haste believer
hasty warren
it's too hot
hasty warren
30°C in Normandie
vivid vessel
I do like keys with 29% haste or w.e now
you back to trickster ?
gaunt phoenix
yea
hasty warren
what the hell
rough oriole
🤨
ashen birch
I find adult diapers help with that
paper grove
You guysmacro your potion to anything?
paper grove
Didnt think so
keen belfry
np
next frigate
If I only care about unseen blade is it bad to use killing spree at low combo points
ashen birch
what would be the easiest way for this macro to get a [mod:alt] that just Kidneys my current target? if im not pressing alt then it just does the regular macro?
#showtooltip Kidney Shot
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kidney Shot
/targetlasttarget
/startattack
gritty hamlet
Permanent tricks should honestly just be a rogue default.
I got grumpy in a key I was tanking when two hunters never MD'd me and were face tanking
vivid vessel
what would be the easiest way for this macro to get a [mod:alt] that just Kidney...
Bind kidney to alt thing
Lol
ashen birch
cant you do a line thats like /cast target Kidney Shot [mod:alt] as the line at the beginning or something instead of having it take up a separate spot on your bars?
tulip warren
Is there a way to see if I do anything major wrong in this key?
Sometimes I feel like I'm lacking behind on the dmg, but dont really know if its a me problem or anything else
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fFtMrwJ1nDvVxcjb?fight=last
gaunt phoenix
on the first pull
you used bte before adrenaline rush
if ur going to delay adrenaline rush until the tank gathers, you should just killing spree
you still want to have bte available for supercharger and menacing rush
that first adrenaline rush nearly had no bte casts in it at all
you should also use preparation as soon as the first bte stops resetting
so that you can continue to bte
but you still hold AR until the first one expires ofc
tulip warren
Thats actually some huge tips ty 🙂
gaunt phoenix
i think you are skipping opportunity procs a bit
it's hard to see overall but there is a moment you had 3 opportunity and 1 combo point, but then used sinister strike twice
the builder priority is:
blade flurry (aoe)
pistol shot (6 opportunity)
pistol shot (3 opportunity and at 1-3 CPs)
sinister strike
so 3 opportunity is still priority over sinister strike, if you are at low cps
u also have a handful of finishers at 5 combo points
as trickster you dont finish at 5 with bte/dispatch
you can killing spree at 5 though
that means when bte resets, it often puts you at 5, but you should still use a builder before the next bte
it's not just about the dmg of bte, it's the dmg buff that bte gives you, is longer per cps
so if you bte at 5 you are missing a fairly significant dmg buff uptime
tulip warren
You are fucking life safer, thanks so much for helping me out here ❤️
gaunt phoenix
but still you did good cuz you only fell to stage 1 rtb three times
generally playing well correlates to not falling to stage 1 unless you just get rng fucked
tulip warren
Ye, I guess I got rng fucked at some point there but also my own mistake 🙂
normal violet
Solo gave me these same exact tips and I'll just point out that it has literally skyrocketed my dmg in keys and in raid
tulip warren
Gotta jump into another key now then 🙂
gaunt phoenix
this is just nitpicky but should remove ambush keybind
ambush is always worse than ss/ps
dull geyser
bros im dying so much in these 20s, someone give me like, 5 life tips to not die plz
ashen birch
These macros that Zac was helping me with has helped me not die as much…I was tabbing around or trying to remove my focus and tab and shit before. It was scuffed
Let’s you focus more on the environment and your rotation. The focus macros help if your in a coordinated group or there’s only one caster
gusty pagoda
Is it me or are prot pally players dogshit 99% of the time in m+
ember lagoon
We just had a pally rip our key on second to last boss Caverns
Just kept running around with the follower add till it everntually landeed on a DPS then him and wiped us
gusty pagoda
That definitely sounds like a prot pally
Mine constantly made first boss in MT channel while in the middle of a pool
And he pulled the entire gauntlet before 2nd boss in 1 pull before proceeding to run around like a headless chicken and die
hasty warren
in my own piss
fill a bottle and send it to me
gaunt phoenix
storm kindle
How do you guys Sim ur character? which ones do you use to see diffrent outcomes?
Patchwerk/hectic add cleave/dungeonslice?
vivid vessel
it takes time + death
to match blizzard timer
gaunt phoenix
bf KS diuspatch AR BTE BTE BTE BTE
Br
outer gale
does the "so tricky" talent that makes TotT really make it an hour? like basically perma agro dump on tank?
outer gale
thats..... insane.
jaunty notch
thats..... insane.
my favorite thing about it is when your tank dies on trash and all the mobs start running to wherever they respawn because they insta release, it's a 10/10 experience
warped spruce
!addon
fluid vortex
havent grabbed this week vault, do i go for mace here or would npx reroll be better statwise
its haste mastery
reef forge
havent grabbed this week vault, do i go for mace here or would npx reroll be bet...
Noobstink
craggy barn
craft a mh
fluid vortex
i mean i was honestly just gonna play sub until i got the weapon fro mreroll
craggy barn
unless u need other things from npx
fluid vortex
ah alright then nah i dont think i need
craggy barn
crests are unlimited now
fluid vortex
i just need to craft legs sword and boots then
craggy barn
if u want to play outlaw, craft a sword, otherwise do whatever
final pagoda
is this still meta?
i.e. optimizing cloud cover uptime?
and losing supercharged BtE?
craggy barn
supercharged bte isnt that big bc of pinned bug
i usually wait for BTE for second AR
stuck patrol
i.e. optimizing cloud cover uptime?
Because they reduced cloud cover duration, I'd imagine it doesn't really matter
But I don't know the numbers
final pagoda
Because they reduced cloud cover duration, I'd imagine it doesn't really matter
yep exactly
that 2% gain was before cloud cover nerf
stuck patrol
@gaunt phoenix what u think?
gaunt phoenix
yeah, the 2% is from supercharger. but it's bugged, so it's not 2%
final pagoda
what I am trying to understand if I should keep BtE for 2nd AR post-prep
after cloud nerf
frail veldt
what I am trying to understand if I should keep BtE for 2nd AR post-prep
You don't want to sit on a bte DURING adr
So when you prep
You send that new bte if you're still in adr
restive charm
does outlaw play much different from tww? beside crackshot windows ofc^^
frail veldt
Rtb is also significantly changed
restive charm
ah right its like one buff with 4 tiers or something?
final pagoda
You send that new bte if you're still in adr
then I will miss 2x supercharged BTE
frail veldt
then I will miss 2x supercharged BTE
You would delay your 2nd adr
For when bte is ready again
That's what the rule indicates
The alternative is sitting on bte during adr and wasting multiple btes
earnest sphinx
@vivid vessel wthelly tech?
earnest sphinx
stocks high
dull geyser
anyone do vod/log review for $? lol really want someone to help if possible’
vagrant saddle
u can do a log review for free but i guess no one would complain if u paid them on top of it
pure folio
anyone do vod/log review for $? lol really want someone to help if possible’
Do !log
wide shore
anyone know if combo points are client or server side? I play on 200+ ping and wonder how much it affects my gcds
dull geyser
!log
torpid fiber
anyone know if combo points are client or server side? I play on 200+ ping and w...
The answer is that historically stuff was all client side, but in recent expacs due to presumably sloppy coding some procs have been server side at times. You should still have an order guarantee, so it's just going to be lag feeling bad
rapid mica
Using BTE on huge enemies with lag feels so bad, waiting a GCD and then some to see if Ace procced or knowing Gravedigger will proc but not being able to use it till the game registers it proccing.
cunning current
I got the main hand from nx, but sims tell me to still use crafted one over that, do I just follow the sim?
hallow spoke
I got the main hand from nx, but sims tell me to still use crafted one over that...
does ur crafted have embelishment?
cunning current
ahhh that's it
vital grotto
whats the command of everything in dungeons that works with evasion/feint?
nova sinew
!def
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vital grotto
ty
shell fossil
okay but what if recuperate reset premeditation
and other spells marked to not cool on death
and they just ban it while keys are active
🥪
cinder relic
!ban @robust tiger
jolly geyser
I like ret,dont throw me in jail
carmine pine
Ok cloud cover is really starting to piss me off bricked windrunner 21 because I literally can't see shit
Why does it have to be this way
jolly geyser
yes
near tiger
Been thinking about swapping from Sub to Outlaw tbh.
Feels like in higher keys you mostly see Outlaw rogues anyway, and we’re slowly getting into that range too.
Just kinda scared of having to completely regear/change stats since the stat prio is so different... what do you think?
pliant orbit
Play what you want
There's probably a discussion to be had that would end with Outlaw being slightly better
It will just take some time to get all the crit/haste you need
Personally I didn't think it was too bad, but I also had a lot of items for assa, and assa/outlaw share a lot of gear
near tiger
Yeah so gathering a second gear set is my way to go i guess
rain rover
have you ever been able to play outlaw with two daggers?
pliant orbit
You cannot, no
ANd also haven't been able to
Before it was called Outlaw you could, but was very sub optimal because you wanted phat slow main hand
pliant orbit
Yeah so gathering a second gear set is my way to go i guess
Personally I would only do it if I felt like outlaw was fun to play
chilly dagger
in nexus what can you press to disable the beams first pull without manually clicking the box in the popup?
random stirrup
there are addons that auto click the popup box
frosty python
18 seat from just now
What do you think is missing from making your total damage higher in the key?
shell fossil
not enough time in 8 target
ret is uncapped so
you end up with smaller stuff dead fast and lieutenants
getting prio'd down etc
honestly just tried surv hunter/arms in 18 magisters and same thing was happening
i think 2nd half of that dungeon is outlawland though so idk
perfect example the first pyromancer pull
books die fast and you're left doing st on mancer til it drops
craggy barn
crazy ur just wathcing them like that
tiny stag
sim is telling me to craft darkmoon dominion hunt trinket is it actually worth? i dont even have hunt on weapons
normal hawk
It’s a shit trinket that takes 2 embellishments
buoyant stratus
Spotted this one
jolly geyser
bro posting himself
high vector
if bte resets do i wanna insta use it?
blissful idol
if bte resets do i wanna insta use it?
if u at 5 cp u wanna build first if at 6 yes u send
high vector
thanks
mossy quiver
!FUU
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
cedar bone
What does the purple X mean ?
placid vapor
What does the purple X mean ?
not in melee range
dull burrow
On a fresh outlaw what dungeon would be the best to roll? If i send 2 in DR, is it just PIT?
shell fossil
main hand from nexus point and rings are value
the only lemon is omission of light which slots into other specs ez
livid sand
What are those swords? 😮
shell fossil
pit has bis offhand bis neck and bis ring
dull burrow
Yeah Iguess, I have 8 rolls right so pray for some luck one time
cedar bone
not in melee range
How to get it
fair topaz
Does it matter what lootspec i'm in for chimaerus? I bonusrolled twice as outlaw. Will I have the 50:50 only as outlaw now or as assa lootspec aswell?
polar niche
Keep rolling as outlaw
clever wasp
Spotted this one
rare find
cerulean portal
aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk aug devo udk
last cape
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-spyZPGZ4y5diilAnap5nEybU7fWY5nFUN...
or
just use wildu tools
or naowhqol
clever wasp
wildutools is awesome, also that quest tracker waypoint should be baseline in wow lol
pure folio
On a fresh outlaw what dungeon would be the best to roll? If i send 2 in DR, is ...
Every item from pos is useable
granite phoenix
hey , quick question. im new to outlaw and trying to get into it and keep finding conflicting information on when to use KiR. Rotation "guides" state it should be used at stage 3 or higher while checking the cooldown section of those guides states it should be used at stage 2 and higher, which one is correct and if its the first one do i just hold KiR until I hit a stage 3 roll ?
glass mortar
both
but stage 3 at all times generally is what the apl and gamba lords do
3 or higher anyway
granite phoenix
thanks man :D was just about to ask where you had that info from until i remembered that we actually have faq's on this server
granite phoenix
ty again!
glass mortar
ancient veldt
Ok guys nobody told me outlaw would be as fun as it is. From the challenge of learning the spec to the high apm this shit is fun
pure folio
hey , quick question. im new to outlaw and trying to get into it and keep findin...
Kir at stage 3, but if you won’t have LD for like 1:30> then it’s okay to kir at stage 2
granite phoenix
LD being loaded dice ?
pure folio
Yes
cedar kernel
how does the outlaw tiers rn?
sacred rune
craggy barn
rogue is decently positioned
overall
compared to how it was at the beginning of the tier
outlaw in raid is whatever, its a melee spec. not really troll to play
seems pretty decent on lura from whats been said about that fight and outlaw in it
mplus outlaw isnt super troll even outside phys comp
foggy stump
Still no hotfix for the bug in the pins?
cedar kernel
but my friend said we have energy issue rn?
craggy barn
we do
craggy barn
energy in keys is kind of a mess. you want more haste than u think (around 24-28% seems to be a good balance)
but it feels rough when u have no tea charges
esp when u have to press feint
and vial
craggy barn
rest well my friend
lean flax
Petition to remove energy from outlaw
cedar kernel
energy is our special things i think, but energy issue for outlaw rn makes it looks like the same compare to sub and sin
lean flax
Energy is never fun to play around for outlaw
craggy barn
outlaw just gets fucked
cedar kernel
position switched
craggy barn
outlaw is less tanky than sub
lean flax
Outlaw being resource limited makes pretty much 0 sense
craggy barn
and has more energy issues than sub
same feint usages and u are dead
of energy
with law
sub ur fine
craggy barn
part of the energy shit is the flurry energy increase with the talent
pure folio
It’s our spec intern’s first day, be nice guys
lean flax
Yeah the flurry energy increase is complete nonsense
cedar kernel
we still not unlock target cap yet?
craggy barn
no
cedar kernel
i will wait
craggy barn
it wont change
cedar kernel
prayge for law
lean flax
It could, but it would mean essentially a complete rework of the spec
craggy barn
shrug
could honestly be the same gameplay but everythign just generates threat, and tricks is reverse
and uncap because targte capped tank is LOL
bf uncap provides parry chance and dr
bte buff inc crit nerfed, adds dr
etc etc
could actually just be the same buttons
rough oriole
when you swap to sub for last boss seat is raider.io always going to clock it as a sub key?
rough oriole
craggy barn
i havent really done that tho this season
craggy barn
shrug
spec swap is weird so
raider io wont clock it
bc instance leave makes things weird
lean flax
How are you spec swapping mid key?
lean flax
Ah I didn't know it did that
craggy barn
the leave timer is like 30 seconds
and spec swap is like 2.5
very useful for last boss since its pure st
only worth for high keys
lean flax
I kinda hate you can do that tbh
lean flax
Annoying optimizations like that make the game so unfun
The gear overlap feels bad on sub so I haven't bothered trying it this season
Going from law to sub
craggy barn
shrug i spec swap and i dont have much overlap issues
lean flax
Just end up with too much crit and not nearly enough mastery
Also sub playing DS on st is 🤮
pure folio
Just end up with too much crit and not nearly enough mastery
Crit is equal or better for sub in pure st tho?
Mastery is only somewhat better in big aoe for sub
If ur swapping for a st boss it shouldn’t matter
craggy barn
ds wanting that much haste is insane LOL
lean flax
Crit is better for st?
The wowhead makes no mention of it
Wowhead has mastery and haste much higher prio than crit
craggy barn
old data had crit being just as good as mastery in pure st situations
idk how much things have changed now
but its diff with ds sub since that just wants so much haste
lean flax
I think that's true for trickster, but they've been playing DS in ST even before the upcoming buffs
Regardless, it's super telling that pretty much everyone hates playing DS
Those hero talents seriously need a rework
It's barely tolerable in ST and extremely unfun in AoE
craggy barn
yea
very annoying implementation
the new extra button is such a bandaid
mfd but cringe is funny
earnest sphinx
i have like 500 mastery
is that very bad
just recrafted some gear on main
can still change boots ig
i also have mastery gems i noticed
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
earnest sphinx
i only want to play law in keys though
craggy barn
u can play with 22%
but ud still want a bit more haste
for energy
sims trend towards 24-25%, but going up to 28% is fine
but its not the end of the world not being at those numbers
carmine mountain
22% with haste flask?
craggy barn
thats what teekoh said
carmine mountain
geez yeah thats way too low
craggy barn
well, a new rign AND flask
static geyser
If I dont plan to get a mythic Gaze, should I use voidcores on both of my crafted weapons?
carmine mountain
hero trinkets gaze plus umbral are still going to be your BiS if you dont raid mythic
yeah i love that void cores are infinite xD same as crest now
earnest sphinx
is better now ig
earnest sphinx
(i will be comming back with results)
fluid meadow
after 40 min quesim 
dusk path
earnest sphinx
does anyone have an idea why my healthbar bounces around in combat
when i swap to outlaw from sub
(only on my main rogue for some odd reason)
trim harbor
does anyone have an idea why my healthbar bounces around in combat
Ye sub has a talent called fade to nothing thats gives you 10%DR whenever you enter dance vanish or stealth
You basicly have 10%DR 40% of the dungeon
earnest sphinx
i meant like
my healthbar is literally
moving up and down
in combat
like up and down here
trim harbor
Ye no clue abt that one
signal mulch
got a quick question. do i have to cast flurry before pressing blade rush all the time ?
to get that 100% dmg increase
glass mortar
you dont cast BF on single target
and in aoe it should already be maintained
but sure going into an aoe situations if BF and BR were ready and BF was not up (the buff) you'd cast it first
signal mulch
ok ty
frank moth
after 40 min quesim <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
It’s nice to at least get a reason, rather than just being removed which happens, too :/
golden stump
Do we not have any big macho studs to work on wowanalyzer?
reef forge
does anyone have the grapple macro?
gaunt phoenix
/cast [@cursor] grappling hook
reef forge
ty
rich basin
what poison should i use? don't see it on wowhead
glass mortar
instant
unless theres ever relevant healing happening in a fight then u can swap to wound before the fight
atrophic for party damage or raid, numbing for tank damage/dungeons
u can run atrophic in dungeons but alot run numbing
gaunt phoenix
nice
glass mortar
gaunt phoenix
and yes it is instant/sometimes wound, and then atrophic/numbing
numbing is unironically like 15% dmg reduction to your tank
glass mortar
its alot
gaunt phoenix
it's kinda goated when it matters
glass mortar
also slows down casters casts to make it easier to kick them
so its not terrible for party damage either
it should be more tbh
😠
the other classes with auto slows are just better then numbing its dum
80% auto and cast speed reduction or bust
rich basin
is there a good yt video that shows how to play this?
read the wowhead guide but i wanna see soem in action too
more like, a youtuber that most people consider good
gaunt phoenix
there's not really a youtuber from here
rich basin
not here necessarily
rich basin
just someone to watch to get better
glass mortar
the FaQ in here is quite good
rich basin
yeah i assumed
glass mortar
i mean zac streams and posts his keys
rich basin
that discord would be my best try
glass mortar
but it can be kinda hard to track what hes casting
rich basin
and videos of +22-23s on outlaw
gaunt phoenix
zac (tomelvis) streams keys with gcd history
gaunt phoenix
what possessed you to do that?
rich basin
gameplay is fun
gaunt phoenix
true
rich basin
i started playing last season
cinder relic
Love that
rich basin
i wanted since then to play outlaw rogue but some people
told me that i shouldn't as it's very hard and you need a ton of addons
didn't know what those were
glass mortar
unfortunate last season was one of the worst outlaw seasons in a long time
rich basin
so a good friend told me to pick up dk
rich basin
and this season i am mostly done with raiding
and i wanna push keys with something new
frail veldt
gameplay is fun
real chad right here
gaunt phoenix
where is zac's rtb buff
cedar kernel
!wa
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Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
frail veldt
where is zac's rtb buff
it hasnt been working for me for some reason
cedar kernel
wait no more zacs rtb buff?
gaunt phoenix
bac
cedar kernel
u know me i am always here solo ❤️
gaunt phoenix
hm
gaunt phoenix
come back bac...
rich basin
name checks out
cedar kernel
i wish i could but i lost my passion to the game, not the balance issue
i still would love to learn outlaw rotation but i dont know the thing what i want to play
gaunt phoenix
once you start playing wow you're supposed to play forever
gaunt phoenix
one does not simply lose interest
cedar kernel
i think i might understand why ram give up the game, but it has a little diff to me
frail veldt
one does not simply lose interest
didnt you quit for a season lol
gaunt phoenix
i don't know what you're talking about
cedar kernel
rich basin
can i ask a dumb question?
glass mortar
always
gaunt phoenix
i think bfa was the last xpac i actually saw all the way through
rich basin
and why some override, others dont
cedar kernel
no numbing for u i think
gaunt phoenix
you have a Lethal poison and a Nonlethal poison
glass mortar
mouseover the atrophic talent in the class tree
gaunt phoenix
lethal is instant, wound
nonlethal is atrophic, crippling, numbing
rich basin
so for general purpose and to keep it simple stupid, instant + numbing
gaunt phoenix
yes
glass mortar
or instant + atro yea
rich basin
which is better for m+? generally
glass mortar
numbing id say
gaunt phoenix
99% of the time you are instant poison, just some cases you can literally swap in the middle of the key to wound poison for certain mobs that heal themselves
cedar kernel
cedar kernel
do we get br in rotation rn?
gaunt phoenix
yea
cedar kernel
uncapped?
gaunt phoenix
softcapped
glass mortar
they softcapped it
cedar kernel
any gif?
glass mortar
pretty sure before it was just this
ud do a swirl still
and ur weapons would glow a lil yellow
cedar kernel
glass mortar
big glow up
love brs new animation
wish we got to see it more (2 charges when)
😠
cedar kernel
well 2 charges is helpful for energy issues
fluid meadow
okay we have samira ult and renekton skill too eta gg
rich basin
and one more thing i will stop with the noob questions for today xD
I saw in the prio list/rotation, everything is "Cast X if at 6 points or above"
the point that it makes, is that it's not worth to cast a builder (generally gives 2 points, but u have max 7)
then just send it on 6, correct?
glass mortar
it means if ur builder does not put you at 6 or7 then u press another builder yea
following ur builder priority
might be an SS or a PS
insert 67 gif
rich basin
the only thing that i will need insanely hard to learn
is to track cds that are "moving"
3 min cd my ass xD
gaunt phoenix
dan thrasher can get it
glass mortar
yup outlaw doesnt have real cds and they are all dynamic based on procs and rolls
so u gotta keep a close eye on them
AR could be as low as a 25s cd or as long as a 50s. thats part of the fun of law
glass mortar
dan thrasher can get it
rich basin
and "cut killing spree if you overcap on energy" seems weird, i never overcap (maybe yet? still doing shit rotation)
glass mortar
its mostly for the opener or using it in AR
you arent gunna overcap during it super often outside those situations
gaunt phoenix
in the opener with bloodlust you generally do overcap energy during ks animation
rich basin
but besides that, full send duration, right?
glass mortar
as long as u arent capped on energy yup
sometimes it might happen just cause ur riding on good rng
gaunt phoenix
yes, but some ppl cancel ks anyway
when you hit 6-7 cps
cuz people dont like ks
it's stinky channel
rich basin
AND FINAL QUESTION XD
I saw that in big packs, you can just recast bf just to get 7 combo points, even if you have still some duration left, is that worth?
opaque scarab
I BF on low combo points in aoe as it generates due to ddfeft maneuvers
rich basin
ye will do
glass mortar
its written by solo and very good, wowhead guide is also good
rich basin
did read mostly wowhead and wanted to do some experimentation early
glass mortar
but sometimes its easier to follow the discord format
gaunt phoenix
i should just cut the ambush
rich basin
aight, thank you fellas
cedar kernel
the rotation is quite simple rn compare to before
but adr is become shorter like SL
stark star
yo, i have 2 bonus rolls left and was wondering where to use them? ive already tried chimerus mythic, and i have 1 item left in PoS (wrists) and my question is should i go for my last item in PoS, and/or should i go for another dungeon to try and get head/shoulders instead?
or i can craft head, bonus roll PoS for wrists and go into a random dungeon like SR to try and get shoulders/trinket. would like to get some other thoughts if possible :D
and this is my gear
keen belfry
Maisara has good helm, weapon, shoulders
Skyreach has shoulders and trinket
You can also craft a helm
gaunt phoenix
sometimes i feel like something is wrong with energy in cleave
vagrant saddle
it feels shit when u cant bf into finisher, if there are enough targets it feels fine
glass mortar
sometimes i feel like something is wrong with energy in cleave
is it like literally just FF nerf + BF energy nerf cause like
i know they nerfed BF energy cost
glass mortar
ye maybe it dont work at all
cedar kernel
CLASSIC
glass mortar
all i know is it doesnt feel like 40 energy cost on BF should make it just drain ur energy in any aoe
i press sometimes and i come out at 0 energy
how that possible on 7 targets
this button use to like reload ur bar
50 net energy sometimes at target cap
fathom bramble
use to be 6 energy average per target and now it's 2
and obviously it also costs another 30
70 energy difference from how it use to be
glass mortar
so wild
they actually went "hmm outlaw has too much energy in aoe, they probably dont like that lets make it feel worse then st"
sorry u were having too much fun with deft 😠
fathom bramble
or no that's not quite right
glass mortar
i wonder if br can still proc mg on targets past softcap?
fathom bramble
it's 1.8 and 0.6 per target
fathom bramble
I mean it's a 30% chance to have a 25% chance to generate 8 energy
it's basically nothing
gaunt phoenix
huge
gaunt phoenix
cursory glance at logs, FF proc rate doesnt seem bugged
fathom bramble
20 targets is 12 energy return
glass mortar
one of the worst possible ways u could nerf energy budget
sorry, nerfing its chance
vivid vessel
sometimes i feel like something is wrong with energy in cleave
me when i get to 3rd pack in the instance and for some reason im out of tea and energy
glass mortar
should literally just be 100% chance flat energy per attack
budget it appropriatly
there is no benifit to rng in it
what r u gunna react to ur energy bar by doing, not pressing buttons cause u cant?
gaunt phoenix
me when i get to 3rd pack in the instance and for some reason im out of tea and ...
i mean cleave cleave
me when im fine on energy for all of caverns except the first boss
vivid vessel
ah
ye
well idk
sometimes i feel like its not even worth to bf
but all good
normal spec
frail veldt
thats how I feel on the duo boss in windrunner spire
vivid vessel
ye idk this boss is unplayable
i think its cause you are coming out of 2 packs
taht are 3/4 targets
so you are always at 0 tea
frail veldt
yeah guaranteed no tea
fathom bramble
even before it's not like BF refunded that much energy
it was just a cheap global
so you generated energy during that 1 cheap global from normal sources + a bit of bonus
gaunt phoenix
i wish raw energy regen was logged
radiant wyvern
swapped off myth guidon w crit flask to hero plume w haste flask because it simmed quite a bit better, the guidon did feel a little bit better to play
im at 27% haste, with no guidon i think under 28% just doesnt feel awesome
trail sparrow
bros how do you play this spec consistently
when u get shit rolls into shit rolls into shit
glass mortar
gotta take the highs with the lows
the gap between em def feels higher and more out of ur control then ever rn but for all the low rolls u will have spent longer high rolling and ur damage on average will be good
summer pivot
or the lows with the lows 
glass mortar
on any fight where ur in 2 roll prison i just accept im in passanger seat
u will not be on the meter
but its ok
its out of ur hands
trail sparrow
so close to spreading bleeds and going brain afk
gaunt phoenix
i mean i kir 2 a few times and it doesnt seem the end of the world
glass mortar
no i mean u get to play the whole time
radiant wyvern
bros how do you play this spec consistently
when i get bad rolls i whine in vc the entire time and when i get good rolls i act like im just better than everyone 
glass mortar
ur damage is just
aggresivly mid
and u cant really outplay it
its not bad anymore
mid roll was so shit at the start of the season
trail sparrow
when i get bad rolls i whine in vc the entire time and when i get good rolls i a...
that was my tactic aswell, but my premades bullies me now
glass mortar
but fatebound had less variance
trail sparrow
gotta try that maybe
radiant wyvern
i mean i kir 2 a few times and it doesnt seem the end of the world
as long as youre not perma stuck on 2 for like 5 rolls, and dont have any deaths, i feel like you can stay ahead of having a loaded dice banked to never have to kir a 2
glass mortar
ye then u have the pull where ur first 3 rolls are all 2 or under and it all falls apart
but its rare
its just
awful 
when it happens
radiant wyvern
i try to get an extra roll in on openers before using up all the adr/prep
if im rolling 2 at the start
frail veldt
ye then u have the pull where ur first 3 rolls are all 2 or under and it all fal...
hate this
frail veldt
it would be boring but less toxic
radiant wyvern
ye
trail sparrow
I already do all min max shit
trail sparrow
pre ar before key start etc, bank loaded's
frail veldt
just kir on cd prob lol
glass mortar
i mean ud probably still have the fishing rule
frail veldt
yeah
glass mortar
because with LD the minimum u could kir is a 3
might as well go for jackpot
it would just remove the times u sit on kir for 3 minutes
realizing uve lost it to sunk cost
and ur never gunna kir again
fathom bramble
just kir on cd prob lol
giving a plus 1 to the buff and not simply extending it would mean casting kir on a buff at a higher duration is better
I imagine you would get a lot of situations where you would rather extend next roll
instead of extending a 8 second 2 buff
for example
radiant wyvern
the spec definitely feels like its made to be played with 3 buff
trail sparrow
it often feels to risky rolling instead of kir a 2 roll without loaded
radiant wyvern
like 1 is just not a functional spec, 2 it becomes playable but it's untenable at best
glass mortar
2 lasts as long as ur getting good procs
frail veldt
giving a plus 1 to the buff and not simply extending it would mean casting kir o...
oh yeah I was assuming it would extend and buff
trail sparrow
you roll into a 1 roll, sit on kir and hope for a better roll after like 20 sec or get ar up
fathom bramble
even with extend and buff you would rather pickup 60 seconds of a 3 buff instead of 38
radiant wyvern
3 ss in a row no opp proc on a 2 buff and ur shit is cooked man
frail veldt
even with extend and buff you would rather pickup 60 seconds of a 3 buff instead...
yeah prob end up holding for next LD
fathom bramble
wonder why we have never gotten bad luck mitigation on SS
common pain point and feedback since legion
radiant wyvern
wonder why we have never gotten bad luck mitigation on SS
cause we can just stack on more rng with our other ablities instead : )
glass mortar
i just assume at this point its intended that outlaw gameplay can grind to a halt with no fault from the player
i dont think it should be that way
radiant wyvern
it's outlaw, i like the high/low rolling aspect, but both ends are way too extreme
glass mortar
but they think thats healthy variance
it is what it is
variance only went up this expac, fatebound was basically the same, a tiny bit higher, and trickster is waaaay higher
radiant wyvern
are we higher variance than ele sham?
radiant wyvern
and they're grinding the slot machine for like .06% ascendance proc
glass mortar
id prefer the latter even if i dont agree with it
pretty sure trickster outlaw is highest in game again? and its by like, a decent degree
it was like 6.1 and next closest was 5.5
fathom bramble
yeah unlike a normal variance spec or old outlaw you could keep playing and just hoping for the best
glass mortar
higher then outlaws beenin 2 expacs at least
fathom bramble
but lately bad rng makes the entire rotation grind to a halt
and we don't have like counterplay when we are out of energy
you just wait and press the exact same button later
glass mortar
being a no burst linear damage spec with high variance is kinda wack too ngl
trail sparrow
1 roll on a boss feels like a classic expansion
glass mortar
like u look at zacs damage over 2-3 pull
the variance
makes him look like a cd spec
but its just totally out of his control
radiant wyvern
outlaw having to play with tea is a design flaw imo
fathom bramble
imagine if a burst spec had this variance lol
glass mortar
might do 900k on first pull
random stirrup
i dont think these tell the whole story
glass mortar
might do 400k
frail veldt
i dont think these tell the whole story
well this is ST
random stirrup
oh ye
fathom bramble
you would only do damage for 18 seconds every 120 seconds and need to hit the good rng in that window
random stirrup
aoe is crazy
trail sparrow
we got roll rng, opportunity rng and bte rng
frail veldt
it was egregiously bad
trail sparrow
shits cooked
radiant wyvern
and it was like 20%
sim with like 10targets its like 50%
glass mortar
the trickster nerfs were at least aimed at its variance. nerfing the poop cloud stuff reduced its variance for sure
still a silly spec tho
frail veldt
sim with like 10targets its like 50%
yeah if the sim is <2 mins our variance is disgusting
still matrix
might just craft a helm..
frail veldt
pull over pull our swings are ridiculous
glass mortar
and i mean like its not like the variance makes us bad on average
we are strong
u usually end up ahead
its just funny
ur damage profile ends up like a burst spec but u cant control where the burst is happening
u might just have no energy on the most important pull of the dungeon for no real reason
radiant wyvern
i'd trade some of the high roll for less low roll though
fathom bramble
it's actually so funny on lura
glass mortar
5% chance
fathom bramble
you just occasionally do insane damage p1
thanks to things lining up with the adds randomly
radiant wyvern
becuase i want to be able to play the game when i low roll
glass mortar
i remember back when zacs top burst was like 730k opener
and i was 10 ilvls behind him
and i just randomly did a 703k opener on the wotlk dungeon
i was like ????
i played identical to how i play
every key i do
275 ilvl ok
radiant wyvern
ur just better 
fathom bramble
jackpot infinite bte resets idk
glass mortar
well not till i was 280+ ilvl
fathom bramble
yeah yeah
radiant wyvern
whats the highest stacks of bte buff youve gotten
radiant wyvern
i think it was 16 for me
fathom bramble
maybe more when I didn't notice
glass mortar
theres so many teeny little pieces to the variance its so funny
bte itself has like
ok it may refund its own cd
it might, on a low chance, do 25% damage
radiant wyvern
is it still bugged with supercharger
glass mortar
it gives u a stack of damage so that doubles up on its reset
oh but ALSO that stack can randomly double stacxk
so theres some rng on ur rng
frail veldt
the random DOUBLE STACK
radiant wyvern
cuase were missing so many extra resets we'd be getting, yeah?
glass mortar
AHAHAH
all of this design
to have zero impact in gameplay
it just
lil more rng on ur profile as a treat
frail veldt
but were the gamba spec
radiant wyvern
also if you reset bte into 6 combo points and dont have to build again >
frail veldt
gaunt phoenix
cant spot anything bugged with passive energy regen in game or sim
fathom bramble
when you look at the sim we just barely have enough energy
like overflow is incredibly low
so I think we expect even slightly bad rng or something going wrong to put you below what you can spend
glass mortar
i pref when its weighted in the other direction but what r u gunna do
fathom bramble
I'm convinced they should/could just delete the bte buff from the game
or revert it to a nonstacking buff
there is basically no interesting gameplay element here
fathom bramble
it's just making a proc that is fun and cool even more damage variance
glass mortar
i guess it never really had a point
occasionally punished u for weird things
but that was mostly cleaned up last expac
idk why they designed like 2 seperate rng buffs that have zero gameplay implications for bte
zero in
and all these bte stack nonsense
they do nothing
just increase profile variance
fathom bramble
I think zero in was probably an effort to make our stats less shit
which is like mostly fine
glass mortar
but they put a lot of design into it? like maybe even a majority of the changes we got going into this expac
ye i guess thats true
its more forgivable
radiant wyvern
they wanted to add extra shit but didnt want to effect the rotation because it's already one of the most complex remaining specs probably