outlaw

[buoyant stratus]

I said, "why would i enchant this when a better one could be in vault next week" ahhaha

[lime lake]

The other way to look at it is they get the push experience with way fewer homework keys to get there

[random stirrup]

you know i say enchants used to be expensive but im kinda so broke this tier i may possibly be skipping enchanting champ track pieces

when i expect to replace them quickly

[hardy thicket]

Its just like if people demand enchants and gems for a 12 then their level of gameplay in WoW is pretty beginnerish. But I think from their perspective its not unreasonable to ask for.

[random stirrup]

If I suggested it ever was then that was my mistake, I agree that there are levels of play at which that is necessary

[obtuse schooner]

hi any have addon
who make sound if have 6/7 cp 🙂 ? thanks

[gusty pagoda]

it was my key

[jaunty notch]

no one said you have to have top tier enchants, but its just lazy to not imo, you can make enough gold in an hour or less just doing simple WQ and weekly chests for multiple enchants lol

[hardy thicket]

Ok then disregard everything I said

[random stirrup]

would personally rather watch paint dry than do world quests

[gusty pagoda]

I don't think the wq think is true tho? Early season they were like 50k

[random stirrup]

or just do keys to get the piece i care about enchanting faster

[jaunty notch]

i make like 100k a week doing weeklies lol

[gusty pagoda]

easily +3'ed the key without enchants btw who would have imagined

[jaunty notch]

(across 4 characters xD)

[misty briar]

tbh enchants and gems should be on champion-hero-mythic items. I even use cheap flasks for +12s at 285-290 ilvl

[gusty pagoda]

I'm permantly poor and have to buy wow tokens every few months

I'm also 99% sure that blizzard makes the game more expensive on purpose to sell more tokens. Repair prices are through the roof

[jaunty notch]

i agree that repairs are insane this expansion lol

[regal saffron]

trickster for m+ right?

[gentle fog]

is there a way to hide smoke bomb from adrenaline

nvm i found it its particle density mine was on ultra lol

[misty briar]

My plan for midnight was to have 10x lvl70 alts with minimal jewelcrafting and I still make gems with concentration on them. Just buy mats on main and put them in warbound bank. Craft blue gems and then sell them. At the start of expansion I was at 400k, now I am 1,3M 🤷‍♂️ it aint much but it worked out

[keen belfry]

Thoughts?

[random stirrup]

awang is this a guardian druid alt

[round granite]

3 times is great well done

[random stirrup]

I was going to do many alch alts but then midnight levelling was miserable

so I gave up

[misty briar]

It worked best at start, but there have been couple weeks when it aint profitable. Now it is again like 400g per gem and one character can make two gems when I log through them

[keen belfry]

I have no alts I only ever play outlaw rogue

[random stirrup]

[jaunty notch]

This is the way, just grind out gold for 1 expansion you basically have "generational wealth" if you play smart, I'm still riding on the millions I made back in legion lol

[misty briar]

In tww it was making tailoring bolts at start 😂

[jaunty notch]

Yep, I just did the DFC cloth farm here and there and sold the raw cloth for like 100k per hour

[round granite]

too complicated for me i am lazy i just do the tokens stuff

[gusty pagoda]

ye same, I'm grinding all day at work so cba grinding while playing videogames after

[split sonnet]

Hey ! Lifetime rogue here , back from 5 years off . Can we discuss the current rotation priorities for assassin? I been mostly sub and need to do more damage in keys 😉

Wrong channel skeu

Sorry

[round granite]

https://giphy.com/gifs/excited-yes-nicolas-cage-RrVzUOXldFe8M

[modern shoal]

Common question chat: if I prep with AR still up should I hold BTE until I press AR again or just send it

[gaunt phoenix]

just send

[keen belfry]

solo sometimes this crown trinket does dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

it do

[flat stratus]

Thansk for all your guys help last night, my damage went up 20-40k overall in dungs. This class disc is goated

[hardy thicket]

It do be the best spec discord

You have helpful guys here not calling you out for questions. Add to that excellent TC:ing

[keen belfry]

THIS IS THE BEST CLASS DISCORD

caps

[hardy thicket]

Any other class discord I go into when I flex a new main for raid im like fuck

[unkempt iris]

Being the class that usually gets the shit of the stick has led our community to be great tbh

[round granite]

If we speak about that then what would you guys suggest for a healer with dps off?

Shaman or druid or evoker?

[tepid leaf]

Druid

[modern shoal]

I’m a healer turned Aug. Aug is solid healer alt

[hardy thicket]

Aug kinda chill but pres kinda hard

Shaman u can elemental and enhance

Kinda noice

Dev is kinda chill as well I guess

[unkempt iris]

Evoker is so funny because pres is so polarizing and nuanced and then dev and aug are like braindead in terms of good performance

[hardy thicket]

Ive played ranged dps twice as main. Once as aug in DF when they were broken AF and this tier as devourer DH and man. Devourer DH is 100x harder than being an aug.

[round granite]

Priest and pala not really thinking about it season 2 i think i will put rogue to alt.

Evoker i can play aug or preservation right?

[hardy thicket]

Or dev

But aug is like iuno. Aug is not really a dps. Support class that is more forgiving than actually being a dps imo

[round granite]

I like the support aspect

To be honest

[hardy thicket]

I had a lot of fun on aug too. Its not a boring spec to me. At least not in m+

[modern shoal]

Aug much less a support class now. Really just do your rotation very well and you’ll probs have most dmg in the key

Class is rediculous

It is very ez tho. Picked up Aug in a few days. Week 2 of outlaw and still very ass

[formal thunder]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen island]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[spare vessel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MvwRhz39yZnmq12r?fight=last&type=damage-done&graphperf=2
Chat what am i doing wrong

We are cooked

FYI completely new to outlaw

[final pagoda]

anyone has any idea what happened here?

[somber fractal]

kidna same wioth mugzy bombs

they lag behind a bit

their in game profils isnt always where it shud be if that makes sense

[final pagoda]

I see

• my 160ms doesnt help here

whats the easiest way to manage adds in this boss?

[steel shadow]

i need someone to spell out the math for me cos i cant wrap my head around it

how come pulling around the 8 target cap makes outlaw better
cause logically speaking you'd be kneecapping your uncapped classes by limiting the pull count so wouldn't it just average out to the same?
like if you do the AA first pull as 3 pulls instead of 1 to work around the outlaw, the overall time to clear it all is more, no?
i simply do not understand

[frail veldt]

It's not all or nothing usually

Even in outlaw groups they will pull more than 8

But also there are other specs that don't gain insane amounts of DPS at uncapped pulls as well

But yeah routing will be different for a full physical comp compared to like an Aug uhdk devdh comp

But it's not like any comp with an outlaw only ever pulls 8 mobs at a time

[final pagoda]

is all outlaw dmg softcapped at 8?

[glass mortar]

No most of it is hardcapped at 8

🙂

A small portion is softcapped at 8

[final pagoda]

what is softcapped at 8?

[leaden sonnet]

Some specs are just randomly allowed to not be softcapped

And then they do infinite damage in aoe

[frail veldt]

Blade rush

That's it

[quaint mauve]

yeah like that one op dps spec

[glass mortar]

why would kneecapping ur other classes make outlaw worse

[quaint mauve]

guardian druid

[glass mortar]

logically speaking of course pulling closer to outlaws target cap makes it better... it performs better then most classes at that amount because most of them scale past it

maybe i missed the main point of the question tho cause i dont really understand it

[quaint mauve]

you don’t pull 8 mobs at a time for outlaw bc you have 2 other dps

i mean

that’s basically it

[leaden sonnet]

Also fwiw the softcap actually matters a lot. If you are uncapped at 20 targets you will do 150% more damage than you would on 8 targets, if you are softcapped that number is 58% instead

[glass mortar]

oh yea i mean softcap is a massive deal over uncap

softcap is still a big improvement from hardcap tho

[leaden sonnet]

In most cases if they made outlaw softcapped at 5 instead of hardcapped at 8 it would be a downgrade

Its only a gain at like 13+ targets

[glass mortar]

yea they should softcap at 8

😠

[mystic osprey]

Just uncap them 😤😎

[gusty pagoda]

what spec is actually best at mass aoe now? Used to be destro but not since midnight changes

[mystic osprey]

Affliction 12.0.7 ?

[leaden sonnet]

Think its spriests, but i could be wrong

[gusty pagoda]

if stuff lives long enough for them to apply psychic link to every mob then yeah I guess that would make sense

[glass mortar]

time for someone to grab all the specs apls and sim them on 20 targets

im sure their apls are robust enough to handle that

ours sure is

very robust apl

nothing to do with the fact that the target count is basically irrelevant

[steel shadow]

opportunity cost i guess
the struggle im having is seeing the entire team as a unit and each section or pull as just a part of a bigger job and i dont see how propping up one at the cost of others results in the capped class bringing more value

[glass mortar]

do people say it does

i dont think outlaws comps and pulling around outlaw is better then a comp with more uncapped classes or non phys

thats probably why u dont really ever see outlaw in mdi no?

but thats just a math equation. If outlaw is tuned high enough to slam 8 targets so hard it can make up for that

[steel shadow]

i saw both wox and shindig play outlaw in mdi

[glass mortar]

ye this mdi was cute, i dont think it was better then the good comps tho

but its tuned well now

like s3 df you could play double or triple outlaw

and compete for top world keys

but it was never the "meta" regardless

so i dont think people considered it better

its inflexible and requires weird routes but the numbers can be tuned high enough that its within a stones throw of really good uncapped classes

[formal thunder]

with 20 dummies all stacked neatly, is there a damage difference between softcap and hardcap?

[glass mortar]

yes

[formal thunder]

how is damage for softcap calculated?

[glass mortar]

.

[formal thunder]

I always assumed it's just 100%*softcap/target count

[glass mortar]

complicated math formula

no

that would be a hardcap wouldnt it? thats just splitting damage

maybe im too tired to do math

[formal thunder]

Yea, basically

[glass mortar]

softcap means u scale linearly to X targets then after that u scale but diminishing

9th target adds 12% damage, 10th adds 8% etc

(these are made up)

[formal thunder]

ah

[random stirrup]

spriest, boomie for sure

[formal thunder]

so we getting shafted harder than I thought

[glass mortar]

hardcap can technically mean 2 things

[formal thunder]

[glass mortar]

99% of aoe effects in the game hardcap at 20

even if they dont say they do

meaning at 21 targets u do identical damage as 20 but split over 21

or it can be like our hardcap

where BF just never hits more then 7 guys

[random stirrup]

unholy has a decent amount of true uncap spells too

[steel shadow]

is this a situation where its like a picture of that futuristic city and its captioned "the world if blizzard stopped insisting on target capping some specs"

it feels disgusting to go from quadratic uncapped scaling to 8 target hardcap

[glass mortar]

i mean it could be ok if like, the uncapped classes did way lower damage in the capped classes target count range

and the capped/softcapped classes hardsmacked in those

but thats not really a general rule they follow

its just up to the tuning dartboard

and if ur hardcapped ur much less likely to be overtuned because honestly its just easier to tune u

🤷

[steel shadow]

unholy wins at any and all target counts but i guess its ok because its the new shiny rework?

[slow granite]

do u guys think they will ever make rogues moke appealing for pugs?

[glass mortar]

not with whoever is currently designing it and thats as toxic as i'll get

reminder we had to rage and cry to get our singular, extremely limited and long cooldown aoe stop back

that they gave us 1.5 expacs ago

[steel shadow]

just convince them that having 1 mindnumb on either side of chimaerus is a huge boon

works every time

[craggy barn]

its literally just a tuning question

if rogue is over tuned they will be accepted

[slow granite]

i meant for plus but ty hahah
i didnt have work today so i was able to play a lot..but in 10h or such i only got accepted into like 4 keys xd

[glass mortar]

well i assumed they meant rogues as a class, not individual specs

ur rarely gunna get a class overtuned

[steel shadow]

make friends with tanks

[glass mortar]

if u want a class to be wanted in general for pugs ur looking at the utility toolkit

rogue easily has one of the worst if not the worst in the entire game so

[slow granite]

i am friend with a tank but yea, im waiting on him for my last 18key for resi

dude decided that he was tired this evening

idk what that means tbf

[steel shadow]

ive been tired since i turned 11

[slow granite]

yea that's the thing

[steel shadow]

it hasnt stopped

[glass mortar]

like as an outlaw i always want a monk in my dungeon

[slow granite]

why tf shouldnt they "fix" this

[glass mortar]

the class is desirable

why

[slow granite]

he plays monk yea

[glass mortar]

im not even thinking of tuning

its possible all 3 specs r so undertuned u skip it but thats gunna be absurdly rare

u want it because of its buff

the class is desirable

thats how i was thinking

[craggy barn]

rogue would need a fundamental rework to be in that state

where tuning isnt a question

[slow granite]

we have pretty much no buff...i dont know but i dont feel like 3.6% dmg reducion works

[glass mortar]

tuning is always in question to be clear

[wintry solar]

I honestly thought they'd prune utility like they did every other time they did class wide pruning.

[slow granite]

no cr, no bl

[glass mortar]

idd with that

[ancient veldt]

bro this motherfucking class is HARD

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[glass mortar]

but utility toolkit is more important for "class" desirability imo

[slow granite]

no hard aoe ccs

[glass mortar]

ur utility can bring things that make u wanted even if ur mid

[slow granite]

no usefull buff

[glass mortar]

rogues toolkit has none of this

[steel shadow]

uncap uncap uncap

also give DKs a 2% haste buff and as recompense give rogue a death grip analogue like a scorpion get over here in their class tree

put smokebomb in the class tree and make allies in it immune to targeted bolts cast from outside it

[slow granite]

yea, that makes me wonder..as a kinda new player, why rogues doesnt receive anything

the dragons have more, even if less played

[glass mortar]

idk if we'd need a total rework maybe just make our raid buff less of a joke in dungeons and give us some real utility instead of constantly trying to reduce it and take it away

[slow granite]

more recent, for sure

[glass mortar]

i get the game has utility bloat but rogue is so far down the spectrum of that not being a problem

its kinda a joke any of our utility gets pruned

[steel shadow]

im a new rogue but imo it feels like rogues got hit the hardest with the change to stops

besides vdh

[craggy barn]

we did get aoe blind removed for a patch pepw

[glass mortar]

that was crazy ngl

[slow granite]

do they think that shroud is an utiliy for the class?

[craggy barn]

omega crazy

[glass mortar]

shroud was reasonable utility at a point

i remember seasons where lots of people wanted to shroud skip

[craggy barn]

theyve giga nerfed shrouds usefulness

[glass mortar]

like 8 years ago

yea

[craggy barn]

with dungeon design

[glass mortar]

and utility creep has made it just worse then like, mages aoe stealth and priests mind soothe

[craggy barn]

and utility pots and racials existing

[glass mortar]

love when my class that has close to zero utility has its unique utility shared across other classes

[craggy barn]

priest mind soothe is so much more powerful than shroud its crazy

[glass mortar]

still waiting for them to give someone else healthstones and lock gate

🙂

[slow granite]

do we need Zac to tell them this kind of stuff for them to even remotely considering the problems?
or did the top rogues already tried with no result?

or maybe its a noob problem and they are fine with it, idk

(me = noob)

[glass mortar]

i think u think its a problem

i dont think they do tho

i dont think they care at all

most of the playerbase this doesnt really impact

[slow granite]

yea exactly, it could be!

[craggy barn]

mplus utility is not that much of a big deal

[glass mortar]

i also think its a problem btw not defending them

[craggy barn]

when the tuning goals generally land around +10-12

as long as a class can do those keys, its not a big deal at all

[slow granite]

i am getting fed up of seeing only dps in queue in keys being uh, devourer and demo

[steel shadow]

idk i dont see why shit like grip or demonic gateway need to be class specific when blizzard made the decision years ago to give bloodlust to mages and then hunters and then evokers

if warlocks and dks had an actual raid buff you could give out that utility in the same way as lust and have much better diversity

[craggy barn]

rogue should have health stones in pve

[glass mortar]

we should

remember the pvp talent

[craggy barn]

yea

[glass mortar]

we got to hand out crimson vials

[craggy barn]

exactly

[glass mortar]

let me share my special pot with the homies hello

[craggy barn]

we have a talent that cares about health stones too!

100% should give us health stones to give out

crimson vials is 100% flavorful to kit out our groups

0 fantasy risk there

[steel shadow]

when i hit that estus to help my healers out

[glass mortar]

wait

zomb

i figured it out

[craggy barn]

ya?

[glass mortar]

rogue now has healthstones for the raid in the form of crimson vials

but its just like the pvp talent

u need to make each one and trade it to everyone

[craggy barn]

LOL

[glass mortar]

rogue is only allowed to have utility if its cursed

[craggy barn]

holy

huge

[steel shadow]

would u rather crimson vial healthstones or scorpion get over here death grip

[craggy barn]

crimson vial

[glass mortar]

vial i think

matches more since its already part of all rogues kit

[craggy barn]

get over here is a bigger fantasy risk

[glass mortar]

canocinically we are just drinking a special health pot

why cant i share it with my friends?

[wintry solar]

Too many DKs have that /say macro

[glass mortar]

my greed is truly sickening

[craggy barn]

pulling an enemy in is very much not rogue

[steel shadow]

i think if you have healthstones you still get sat for a warlock like most of the time

theyre tankier, ranged, more utility, better damage profile(s)

[craggy barn]

it wont fit for sub or sin at all

[steel shadow]

wym scorpion is an assassination rogue

[craggy barn]

not a wow rogue fantasy at all

[wintry solar]

He's a monk

[steel shadow]

in that one mk game where you had like 4 stances and weapons didnt he have dual short katanas or something

idk that was 20 years ago

[craggy barn]

monks can dual wield

[glass mortar]

which has always been very funny because idk if theyve ever had an attack animation that used the oh weapon

u can make jab (now tigers palm) use ur MH

only time u ever get dw weapon animations is with fist weapons tho

[steel shadow]

idk
muti's hero talent starts with flavor text thats like "nothing can save your target from you" which is already weird cause most hero talents dont do that

you could make a case that having a rope dart pull is like "you cant escape" and fits their theme

[quaint mauve]

i just want

[steel shadow]

sub idk whats going on with sub theyre doing uzumaki barage or smth

[quaint mauve]

vial to cleanse things

:)

[steel shadow]

rogues class fantasy is all over the place

[cyan apex]

When i hit ace up your sleve you should I Sinister Strike before using the reset?

[craggy barn]

idk a pull mechanic only makes sense if we had a tank spec

bringing back a nerfed smoke bomb + shared vial would be huge tho

[cyan apex]

It feels so satisfying just hitting it 4 times in a row

[craggy barn]

if u are not at 6 on the reset, yes

[cyan apex]

dam

[craggy barn]

if u reset and u are at 5, u build

[cyan apex]

can we buff ace up your sleeve to gain 5 points instead

[craggy barn]

shrug, its not like it matters

its not a time sensative thing anymore

[glass mortar]

i mean it does matter because in one case everytime ace procs i get to slam my gun

and in the other im just pressing spender builder spender again

which is like 80% of my rotation

i want to spam my spender

sometimes

[cyan apex]

Exactly

[craggy barn]

theyd 100% lower the proc chance if they increased the reset gain

[cyan apex]

Slamming it feels great

[glass mortar]

thatd be fine with me

they would have no reason to really other then hating us

but i still prefer how ace felt last expac to how it feels now with the buffed chance

🤷

[craggy barn]

idk i like pressing different buttons

and not spamming the same thing over and over and over and over again

[glass mortar]

i like changing flow

[deep sequoia]

I miss crack shot so much man

[glass mortar]

mhm

[wintry solar]

What I don't miss is uhuh

Good riddance

[glass mortar]

Also fair

I miss bf maintaining between packs but I wouldn't want the vanish crackshot perma ar back

People always tie it all together unfortunatly

[agile orchid]

I love it when KiR is just a passive ability

because you low roll the entire dungeon

just finished a run where I used KiR like 3 times the entire run because I simply couldn't roll higher than 2

[vivid vessel]

cant believe arms keeps getting buffed

every week

[gray summit]

No up

[wintry solar]

Yeah that's fine

[fair charm]

I uploaded my m33kaura that shows targets in Blade Flurry range and if your current target is within melee range. I find it really helps a lot in M+ amongst the messy nameplates

https://wago.io/OlOLwpRuW

[split swallow]

guys if my tricks endless why ppls still using it?

[torpid fiber]

Shoutouts blade flurry target count trackers, literally the single easiest way to improve outlaw dps in keys

whenever I see someone on reddit asking how to improve their dps as outlaw in keys i just tell them "position better for blade flurry" bc that's so often the problem 🙂‍↕️

[final pagoda]

is it really so common?

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[final pagoda]

I dont understand how hard it can be to stay within bf range lmao

never understood how to use these kinds of was

[fathom bramble]

some people are coming from classes that have more cones I think

[frail veldt]

theres a lot of shit on the ground

[torpid fiber]

A lot of people default to positioning on the edge of a pack as melee rather than the middle, because it's way easier to play on the edge

[fathom bramble]

or classes that just have a giant aoe on their melee skills

[frail veldt]

like

a lot

8 yards isnt very big

you have to be up in their asses

[final pagoda]

ill record one m+ with that WA to see how many times im out of range

skeptic

[frail veldt]

people arent used to it

[fathom bramble]

BF is one of the smallest melee aoe skills in the game

if not simply the smallest

[frail veldt]

yep

and

you need to monitor it

constantly

[fathom bramble]

probably tied for smallest with other 8yrders

[frail veldt]

there isnt like a moment where you can step out

and not lose dps

youre always losing it

if you arent in range

[torpid fiber]

playing in the middle also means you have to deal with stupid facing shit (blizzard pls add auto-turn)

[frail veldt]

truuuuu

ive noticed

for some reason

this xpac

the tab functionality

doesnt prioritize mobs close to me

or in front of me

idk why

it feels like they adjusted it somewhat

[torpid fiber]

Ff14 has auto turn and it's so fucking nice for melee

[fathom bramble]

it has some extra weird stuff for trying to target mobs it thinks you want to targeet

instead of just positioning

[frail veldt]

yeah but it felt different

this xpac

than before

[fathom bramble]

like tabbing onto a kick or something

[frail veldt]

sometimes I press tab

and it targets some mob

20 yards away from me

even though I Just started the pack

like

[fathom bramble]

oh lol

[frail veldt]

whai

[fathom bramble]

I haven't observed that behavior idk

bad rng

[frail veldt]

its supposed to prio in range first

ill try to capture a recording of it

cuz its def been weird

[torpid fiber]

My theory is that they saw the autokick macro and decided to break it by making an rng chance to just do some bullshit (/half joke)

[stone cradle]

tab targeting definitely changed for the worse this expansion

they did something

[frail veldt]

SOMETHING

[fathom bramble]

I'm starting to wonder if I would be better off just using action targetting

[frail veldt]

but fr I swear im not crazy

[fathom bramble]

nothing matters just hit something random

[pastel sierra]

muscle memory from playing not trickster and to never get caught without it

[fathom bramble]

when nothing matters*

[torpid fiber]

I genuinely think blizzard just doesn't have anyone who both plays a spec that auto-turn would help who has also played ff14 to consider that it could be a thing that exists, bc it seems so obvious and idk if you'll see anyone actually meaningfully argue that not dropping a gcd when the mob random decides to fidget and moves behind you is a good skill check for like 5 specs total in the game

I get why they wouldn't want to add the ff14 feature where you can press S and turn to face backwards and go at full speed, but "if you're not facing your target you turn to face them for your ability" is like. Not that.

[steel shadow]

cant lie, xiv cant stop winning

alts get the exact ilvl of your main
you can now consolidate your 1-2-3's into a single button without using cheater addons
cat girls

[pastel sierra]

now if only they made BLM cool again

[torpid fiber]

I think ff14 has good ideas but the rotations themselves are soooo boring to me

So many buttons that do nothing but damage, I need resources to change idc about how much damage my button does when I press it.

[steel shadow]

have u seen the 24 button nin opener

[torpid fiber]

no

[steel shadow]

i think the consolidation of filler spells sort of fixes this feeling
instead of slice -> waxing slice -> whatever the third one was for reaper
u just press 1 as a filler like every wow class

[torpid fiber]

Although tbf i don't play ff14 endgame and I understand that there is interesting stuff there, I just feel empty inside whenever I play a dps and the skill check in the rotation feels like it consists of pressing my ogcds that do nothing as soon as they come up without clipping a gcd instead of pressing the right gcds

[pastel sierra]

transpose BLM lines

[gaunt phoenix]

at what point does it stop becoming an opener

[torpid fiber]

Tbh my issue is with stuff like rdm's 4 ogcds that do damage or bard's 3 ogcds that do damage (although they're a bit better bc they sometimes have kit interactions)

[fathom bramble]

surely there isn't actually a 24 button opener that is thee same thing everytime

that's a hilariously bad design failure

[steel shadow]

its been a long time since i played but the giant orb of death whatever its called that you throw at the end of REAPER FORM as a reaper is the single most cathartic button in any mmo ever

[pastel sierra]

no that's literally part of the game

[fathom bramble]

unlucky

[torpid fiber]

there's ff14 jobs with literally 0 rng in them

[pastel sierra]

it's VERY consistent fight design

which is fun for a while

but i stopped bc it got boring

and now i miss it

[steel shadow]

well for those who arent aware the reason nins opener is particularly bad is because you have like 3 invoker-esque element buttons and need to press them to turn your other button into the ninjutsu you want to cast

[torpid fiber]

I mostly play AST when I play 14 although I'm not at endgame so AST probably gets more boring there when all the ogcds are planned instead of having to use them on the fly

[pastel sierra]

and the input delay in FF makes that so fucking bad

[steel shadow]

xivalexander

dont tell anyone you use it

shhh\

[torpid fiber]

The nin gimmick is fun imo but then you realise that you're just doing the same thing every time and there's no decision making was my experience

[pastel sierra]

i think the decision making part in FFXIV is when you actually get 7 ppl together that want to figure the fights out as a group without looking at a guide

[torpid fiber]

I get why some ppl like ff14 rotations but it's so hard for me to play most dps specs with outlaw brain

[pastel sierra]

when you play with guides it's just learning the dance

[torpid fiber]

Ye ff14 is more fight solving oriented than rotation skill ceiling

[pastel sierra]

obv depending on how much pain you want I REALLY wouldnt recommend it for Ultimates but in Savage it's really fun

[steel shadow]

the hardest part about playing 14 for me is finding 7 people to raid with because, paradoxically, i have a prejudice against anyone who plays xiv and sat through the 600 hours of mandatory quests and assume theyre all sweaty weebs that have personal sonic the hedgehog OCs

[torpid fiber]

I gotta play more multiplayer rabbit and steel sometime

[pastel sierra]

hardest part for me rn is getting to max level cause DT is so fucking ass

[torpid fiber]

ff14 for me is the "dress up my cute catgirl" game so like. I understand why you have that bias.

[pastel sierra]

the questing in that game in general

[wintry solar]

It has loli race. Delete it from existence

[steel shadow]

ive heard that if you like the story and dont think about it as a comparison to wow until you hit max level its good

[torpid fiber]

I've only played up through shadowbringers levelling msq but one thing I always bring up when comparing wow and 14 is that the 14 open world feels so static and lifeless compared to wow.

In wow there's just stuff going on, in 14 everything is the same

[steel shadow]

i wouldnt know i hit esc->skip cutscene at record speeds

[pastel sierra]

there's some fun grinds in FF but the story being a slog is something they gotta figure out

[steel shadow]

i dont even like doing the 6-8 hours of campaigns in wow each xpac

ive quit 3 different xpacs on launch just cause i dont want to quest

[torpid fiber]

Tbh I think the story being how it is is probably good for the game in terms of income.

I know a ton of people who got into 14 because they could treat it as a 400h singleplayer game

[pastel sierra]

it's all just "go here" > "talk to this guy" > "kill one mob" >"go somewhere else" > "talk to this guy" >"collect 4 things" > "run across half the map again" etc

[steel shadow]

but the narrative weight

something about emet selch

[pastel sierra]

i loved SHB story

but it was not something I'd replay

[steel shadow]

i dont even know who he is

but the hades boss theme goes insane

[pastel sierra]

I'll watch others replay it but i do not want to suffer trough that questing again

i got the triple triad mount and I'm -5 on big fish up until Endwalker

MSQ questing is like -2 on a 1-10 scale for me

and if story itself is not good it's like sitting through 8hr lectures about things you REALLY couldnt care less about

[steel shadow]

the irony isnt lost on me of being too impatient to pay attention to xiv stories while being so invested in kingdom hearts that its my discord pfp

[stuck patrol]

Are we already at the point of the expansion where outlaw channel is talking about FF14?

[pastel sierra]

I'm in a 3h raiding guild what else u want me to do

PoE2 is still a whole week away

[glass mortar]

the thing about ff14 is

like no specs have procs

most of the variance in the game is like crit and the other not crit crit stat

so some peoples "opener sequenceS" before u get to ur basic rotation just last forever

because u can sequence out all the way to a minute

i think sam used to have like a 50 button sequence

last time i played only monks had a proc u react to in the whole game

blm does sometimes

maybe more do now

[craggy barn]

sam and summoner had insane sequences

[pastel sierra]

imagine if you high roll a crit and then u pass another roll so it just also does double dmg really good design we love crit and crit2

[glass mortar]

yea sams sequence was insane

never really got into it

i played ninja, then reaper which i vibed just because it had banger visuals and a really fun mini defensive

defensive gameplay in that game as dps role is so boring

most of them just have the generic job defensives which are very barebones

[pastel sierra]

defensive gameplay in that game sucks

[glass mortar]

reaper had a 30s decent sized shield and if u fully consumed it u put a hot on ur whole party

its kinda shit now but on release it was actually huge

me and a my paladin friend did no healer job queues

reaper also had a forward telepor that u could reverse like arcane mage shimmer

very funny movement

i tried viper or w/e from the new expac and it was meh

fun visuals but the rotation was very droll

i mean every melee rotation i ever played in that game was drole compared to wow

ninjitsu was cute for a bit but the game just doesnt have enough procs/reactive gameplay

[glass mortar]

even as tanks

its kinda crazy how well wow does tanks

[pastel sierra]

some tanks

lets not get ahead of ourselves

[glass mortar]

tanking in ff14 was like ur passive DR does everything and u press one of ur 8 defensive buttons (on higher difficulties overlap 2-3) for each tankbuster

meh

dark knight was alright

still barebones compared to wow tanks tho

gnb was like nothing u just did ur dps rotation the whole fight and used 3 DRs whenever a boss mechanic happened

ive heard they are changing up a ton of stuff in the new expac tho

[pastel sierra]

yeah very hopeful

i wanna do schizo blind prog again

[fathom bramble]

that sounds dreadful

guess it's just not for me

[glass mortar]

tbf last i played was start of this expansion

[keen belfry]

i wish they buffed fatebound

[fathom bramble]

but that sounds like it goes against any reasonable goal when designing the combat in your game

[glass mortar]

and i heard they r changing up alot of stuff

so who knows where itll end up

yea i agree

combat just felt less engaging like

managing ur personal defensives for bosses

storing up resources or reacting to procs

[hardy vault]

Blizz rly wants outlaw to press KS

[glass mortar]

never tried monk but my friend told me if i wanted a proc i should play it so maybe its good.

[pastel sierra]

for me on BLM it was super satisfying to have a rotation down to the point where i literally could write down a list of my casts for most of it

for a specific fight

[glass mortar]

BLM still had decent optimization around movement

because it had so many tools to outplay movement mechanics

but u had to preplan them

that was a huge part of its skillcap

fun rotation tho ye

i played BLM for a season

[pastel sierra]

slide casting too

that shit is so nice

once u either have a good indicator for it(not legal) or consistent ping so you know when to start moving

[torpid fiber]

Slidecasting rocks i wish it wasn't rng tho

[pastel sierra]

it's not

[torpid fiber]

it feels like it is when I get cancelled at .34 sometimes and move at .5 other times

[pastel sierra]

yeah you have to figure out the maximum amount where you can ALWAYS clip

then it's so nice

[torpid fiber]

Yeah I just wish they standardised it to be like always 0.5s for everyone

[pastel sierra]

i remember doing certain mechanics just with slides

[torpid fiber]

But i agree that it's a goated mechanic, it's like trying to hit a rhythm game note after every cast

[pastel sierra]

they did by just putting a lot of cast times down to 1.5s

[pastel sierra]

i think that's what ruining casters in WoW for me

no sliding

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

Same way outlaw means I can't play melee in 14, slidecasting makes it hard to play casters in wow

[pastel sierra]

it really is a shame cause i wanna push myself with that FF fight design again but without a class i want to play it's just not even worth to get through story

[torpid fiber]

Real talk btw: ff14 casual player UIs are literally hazardous to ur brain to look at

Never ask your friend who plays 14 casually what their UI or keybinds look like unless you want to feel like screaming

[pastel sierra]

and there's nothing like that in WoW

wait lemme get mine

[torpid fiber]

My 14 UI is pretty chill imo (this is from a few months back)

(I play on a razer tartarus pro, so the binds look fucky)

[fickle mantle]

oh i see 14, i kinda wish we had something like combo,(proably talked about allready) i like the layering

[torpid fiber]

One friend uses default bars and binds and when I asked her how the fuck she presses buttons about 6 she said she just clicks on them. Hybrid bind/click like wtf.

Another friend plays BLM and her binds are saneish on the surface, stuff like fire buttons all being on 1+modifiers, ice on 2+modifiers, etc.

Except she refuses to move buttons after she places them, so she still has fire 1 on 1 and fire 4 is on alt+1

[pastel sierra]

widescreen but basically the same as my WoW one

[torpid fiber]

Yeah that makes sense

Mine is also similar to my wow setup, I just have a hotbar showing cooldowns instead of what I used to use WAs for

[pastel sierra]

i also found out they broke my emote macros at some point

the backflip >dedge one doesnt work anymore i think

[torpid fiber]

don't get me started on ff14 macros. Not being able to spell queue them is so evil

[pastel sierra]

yeahhhh

esp for dumb shit like 1>2 AoE combo

[torpid fiber]

I play ast. My Earthly Star at cursor macro has the line to do it 12 times because it runs one line per frame so by having it 12 times you have a 12f window to not clip

[torpid fiber]

YEP

No party frame mouse over functionality also annoys me as ast bc of the ast burst window having dense target swap moments

[pastel sierra]

i just had @partmember macros for the few things i needed

cause you can control which class goes where

like exactly

[torpid fiber]

Idk if those work as well for AST bc your dps buffs are on the same button

[pastel sierra]

i mean

press 1 to give to dps 1

press 2 to give to dps 2

and both use the same ability

[somber elbow]

Hello, trying to get good with outlaw and im struggling with one scenario im often in.

If im in aoe and i have 6-7 combo points, and my blade flurry buff is down, should i cast blade flurry and overcap combo points or should i spend the combo points then cast blade flurry. Ty in advance :)

[fathom bramble]

almost certainly BF first

casting a finisher without BF active is like making it do like 50-70% less damage in aoe

alongside the missing auto attack cleave during the BF downtime

but this is a situation that should be extremely rare with proper play

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe blade flurry is a combo point generator

[keen belfry]

Says you

[gaunt phoenix]

so if you are pressing it to refresh the buff you probably missed a cast as a builder

[light dune]

do you hold AR/bte for damage amp on 2nd nexus point boss?

[craggy barn]

i send at the beginning

and then hold 2nd ar and prep

actually

i send 2nd ar

and prep for dam amp

since the whole dam amp doesnt cover double ar

[dim parrot]

Wait what did they just buff feral by 4% next reset

[vivid vessel]

they buffed arms also

for like

the 5th week in a row

[dim parrot]

Is that weird

I’m confused at tuning this late in season

[vivid vessel]

idk i think 3 weeks ago arms was already the best spec in the game prolly

idk what it is now

thanos

with a bazooka

and like

tanks

on its shoulder

and lazer eyes

[dim parrot]

Tanks in pugs are bad at playing around arms

Then arms does 50k ST

[vivid vessel]

well sure

but i mean idk

[dim parrot]

So they prolly don’t see much

Like blizz

For overperformanxe

[vivid vessel]

idk i will alwyas think they should tune for the high end

because it trickles down anywya

and because anyone can do weeklies no matter how bad your spec is

[dim parrot]

That try

True

Hmm idk if this good or bad for outlaw

[fathom bramble]

also if the top end is actually balanced it helps perception a lot

[dim parrot]

Good for phys comp passing keys

[pure folio]

It has to be more than 5 at this point surely

[fathom bramble]

even if the bottom end isn't actually balanced

[dim parrot]

Bad for me gapping them

[vivid vessel]

ye

[pure folio]

The warrior in my m+ team every patch goes “yeah we needed it”

[vivid vessel]

i mean

you can argue they have bad st

when no funnel

but then they have infinite aoe

and they do 130k st with funnel

[fathom bramble]

maybe nerf their funnel and move the damage to normal then

[vivid vessel]

so idk

ye

[fathom bramble]

instead of just buffing over and over

[vivid vessel]

[pure folio]

Sure but they do a billion aoe, and you can pull funnel on almost every boss

[pure folio]

Honestly yes

Bc bosses where you can’t pull funnel and they run colossus it’s so punishing

Actual tank damage

[vivid vessel]

boss damage of a few keys i did today

[pure folio]

Wait what

Even in wrs???

[vivid vessel]

we have funnel on every boss in spire

might be the most funnel we do

[pure folio]

How do you get funnel into last

[vivid vessel]

• thee is a 2 target boss

[pure folio]

I felt like MC was the highest funnel

[vivid vessel]

snap mobs

[vivid vessel]

i guess it would be pit

maybe

i mena idk

arms is kinda disgusting if you play around it

[pure folio]

Yeah I’m tanning this season and literally all my routes are for arms

Bc he cries otherwise

Tanking*

Understandably so though, they’re useless without it

[pure folio]

Does your warrior play slayer in AA?

[vivid vessel]

i think so but we are not sure

[fathom bramble]

this is why I think that the most 'funnel' that should be allowed is just doing 100% of your normal ST to 1 dude

while cleaving/aoeing

even when outlaw had like 115% of ST while funneling we got pulled around

and idk

it's just cringe

[vivid vessel]

idk i enjoy doing these kind of things in keys

its what makes it interesting

but it also feels unfair

[fathom bramble]

I think it's more interesting to pull the pack to save time and kill it

not pull the pack to stop aoeing so someone can funnel

[vivid vessel]

true i mena

i cancel bf so much

but also outlaw cant even bf

so

whatever

if i had to cleave these packs on boss

i would kill myself

would still not do it

[fathom bramble]

yeah would be nice if BF wasn't a massive energy drain

[strange kelp]

It also creates really weird expectations, like you play in a coordinated group with funnel and arms is the best and you pug key and have an arms war barely beating tanks

[fathom bramble]

with tea being the way it is we should if anything spend less energy in aoe

since dungeons are long and that is where most aoe in the game is..

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

outlaw not being able to free cleave

when its been its thing

forever

is very funny

[fathom bramble]

yeah since legion it has been basically free

even legion when it still had a small penalty(-6%/10% enery regen) I think it was less than our st penalty for pressing BF is right now

[old gull]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[soft musk]

does grand melee only affect the dmg from the initial hit from pressing blade flurry or does it affect while its active aswell?

[craggy barn]

it affects the passive cleave

[fathom bramble]

only applies to the passive cleave

[paper grove]

The damage being all over the place is normal right?

Like via roll the bones luck and m+ comp

[vivid vessel]

ye outlaw does between 400k to 1mil aoe

all is good

[frail veldt]

Very compelling

Something something but we're the gamba spec!

[paper grove]

I just felt like I was bad at it, which to be fair I might be, but one run im doing great, next run it just feels so bad

[lapis meadow]

parsed a fuckin 3 cause i died to save the pull, was rewarded with birb trinket

[river wing]

if the tank doesn't pull around you
it's just RANDOM BULLSHIT GO every time

[steel shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[deep sequoia]

Very balanced with zero variance

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel im almost like

geared properly for outlaw

you ready to be gapped?

[tranquil tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uvNxCaxDfTfY6sGerTSsX3

Is Undreamt God really better than Solarflare?

[gaunt phoenix]

for single target, mythic vs hero yeah

by a whole 0.3%

[lapis meadow]

That's just being carried by the main stat diffy

If they were the same ilvl prism would be ahead

[tranquil tartan]

For M+ should I stick with Undreamt?

[dim parrot]

Did u sim dungeon slice

That’ll tell u

[gaunt phoenix]

undreamt probably loses

[tired junco]

Hello guys i have a question, when my BtE reset and give me 5 combo points is better cast another BtE or build with sinister to 6-7 point and use new BtE?

[sullen walrus]

sinister

[sullen walrus]

@gaunt phoenix

[craggy barn]

build

normal build rules

u want to be at 6+ for BTE always

[tranquil tartan]

Isn't dungeon slice terrible? I have to do the dungeon sim with keystone guru route, etc.

[worn temple]

wait you can sim a route?

or am I high and didn't understand what you meant.

[craggy barn]

u can sim a route, u need a route string to do it

[tranquil tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8HLvSChZwirCZowM3tiRBo

[frail veldt]

our dungeon slice is pretty accurate

in terms of selecting the correct gear/talents/etc

[craggy barn]

its like good enough 99% of the time

i use route sims specifically to make sure my haste value is gonna be good
because dslice is too short

and doesnt capture tea downtime

[frail veldt]

also TIL tentacle pool turns invisible if someone dies during the suck

very fun

farming crests has been an experience

theres always an alt

doing like 60k dps overall

[blissful hinge]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[cerulean portal]

i thought u r high key player

no shade

[frail veldt]

youve never farmed crests?

[cerulean portal]

no

not in keys

[frail veldt]

LOL dont tell me youre farming delves

[cerulean portal]

no i do meme content

[frail veldt]

for myth crests?

[topaz fox]

hi, we still do not ened to stand in cloud cover at all right? it automatically applies itself?

[cerulean portal]

so i had like 500 +champion crests so i converted em

[frail veldt]

oh yeah I have a job

[cerulean portal]

no need to stay in cloud

[topaz fox]

tqvm!

[wild bobcat]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[cerulean portal]

trash dk's

[nova sinew]

Outlaw can beat Dk in many situations

[craggy barn]

u also have to remember that dk damage on YOUR meters isnt accurate

sometimes i see myself beating dks and then i look at the actual log and im below them by like 10k

[cerulean portal]

wat

[craggy barn]

some of their damage isnt properly shown for other people

[cerulean portal]

damn i suck

[ivory ember]

it smell fishy, u should show us total damage have been done in the key, otherwise i can call it 40 sec encounter also

[cerulean portal]

oh

i will next time

[faint pendant]

feral buffed by 4%

[ivory ember]

im sure u can:) try hard

[cerulean portal]

link

cant find

thats what my priest needed

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-may-26-2308880

[split swallow]

guys my tricks talent doesnt work , i still drop it after 30sec

maybe problem i make macro on auto tank when i was without talent?

[reef forge]

are you pressing it and then hitting mobs straight away?

when you first press it, it lasts for 30s and you need to hit an enemy within that 30s to activate the 1hour

[split swallow]

ah ty

[ember lagoon]

Feel like Outlaw is really fun, but I am absolutely sucking in Single Target during M+

[quaint mauve]

roll better bru

[ember lagoon]

I would say my rolls are bellow avg, made me reconsider going to vegas at any stage

But also I seem to get very few BtE refreshes... Wox gets 5 in a row all the time and im hanging out with 1 here and there

[quiet root]

lining up supercharger with bte helps

otherwise your luck is probably normal

[gaunt palm]

It might be your seed. Try relogging 🎰

[quiet root]

i doubt it's possible for you to be consistently unlucky in the long term

[gaunt palm]

When you hit a lucky seed, never log out again

[quiet root]

true actually

[ember lagoon]

So Adrenaline Rush + BtE comes off CD, but I am already at 6 CP.

Do I Dispatch > AR > BtE

Or just AR > BtE?

[gaunt palm]

Dispatch first

[quiet root]

there's also a school of thought that says you should hit dummies until you get a super unlucky streak, and THEN go into a key because you have to get lucky at that point

[ember lagoon]

Okay good, thats what Id been doing

[ember lagoon]

Hahahaha! I like that

[gaunt palm]

Yes there are many gamba strategies. This sounds good. Dont get it twisted tho 🌀

[ember lagoon]

I main Resto Sham, so going from the APM of my grandad to a Prime GM Zerg Player is rough

[quiet root]

at least it's not tww outlaw apm

(i miss it though)

[dusty magnet]

the worst is when u 2 buff like 10 times in a row

[trim harbor]

Try to focus on playing loaded dice better

[fair laurel]

when BtE is resetting and it goes to 5 combo points, do you send it or get it back to 7 CP and then fire

[cerulean portal]

ss then bte

[tulip fjord]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[cerulean portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cuteness-bored-what-you-doin-i-have-nothing-to-do-black-and-white-gif-15643233

[ember lagoon]

How would I do that? I was under the impresssion it was

S1 - Roll as soon as allows
S2 - Roll Early if Loaded Dice
S3/4 - Never roll early

But perhaps this is what ive been missing

[plain shuttle]

Is simming Dslice as outlaw wrong ?

[trim harbor]

Sometimes you roll a two and you have a loaded dice with 1:45 on your ar

So you just ride out stage 2 and roll when it falls off

Or when loaded dice buff is close to expiring

[ember lagoon]

Because its not worth risking rolling crap again? but it is worth holding till you need to roll again to at least garuntee anotheer S2 minimum?

[trim harbor]

Ye kinda playing it safe

[ember lagoon]

I see, okay good to know I will try keep that in mind! feel like my bandwidth is at max learning this spec so I just taking notes on these things and ticking them off once I get something

[trim harbor]

As long as the key is timed its progress

[ember lagoon]

Do you find your overall DPS is lower in lower keys>?

[trim harbor]

Ye its just like that mobs die quicker less cleave less cdr

There are so many factors for dps being high or low just focus on timing the key

[lapis meadow]

Don't focus on your dps yet. Focus on building your muscle memory and not building bad habits you have to break later. DPS will come with mastery of the spec.

[inland acorn]

No dslice is good

[plain shuttle]

I have a high amount of mast (600-700) bc i'm playing sub sually but when i seem stuffs with more crit/haste or verse instaed of mastery it seems lower :/

[inland acorn]

Difference in ilvl maybe ?

[unkempt dew]

No outlaw buff or bug fix?

[slow granite]

bugs? what bugs?

[jolly geyser]

🐛

[vapid sundial]

!bug

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[sleek cedar]

is there any command for wich poision for what keys?
like Instant/Wound and Atrophic/Numbing ?

[unique zealot]

hey guy outlaw got nerf?

[jolly geyser]

ye 50%

no nerfs

[unique zealot]

wait a second

50% no nerf?

im little confused

[jolly geyser]

Just a lil sarcasm, no nerfs to worry about

[deep tide]

So, the old RtB WA had a built in reminder for when RTB Expired, do we have something similar for a sound queue of when it expires?

[inland acorn]

You can set sound in cdm

[reef forge]

can they just remove blade rush dash now?

[copper radish]

is it possible to get an amulet with two sockets?? thought that wasnt a thing this xpack

delve quest gave me a champ neck with 2 sockets lol

[mighty pivot]

last boss jewelry comes with 2 sockets. You got that one from the box

[copper radish]

got it. never realized they had an extra one

[unique zealot]

guys my dps why not showing

i have combat logger addons

[frozen quest]

Have the same issue sometimes I think it’s Not Live logging

Cause I don’t do that either

[unique zealot]

so what we need to do

bcz i want the check it

[frozen quest]

Live log

Not Upload the log

If u Check lmk

[unique zealot]

wdym

[stuck radish]

Hey guys can someone explain why AR at 1-2 CPs ?

[frozen quest]

You use a Programm like raider io/warcraftlogs to log while u play

[quaint sable]

AR gives 7 CP when u press it

so its to not waste combo points

[unique zealot]

like this?

[stuck radish]

oh ok thanks

[frozen quest]

Yes

[unique zealot]

okay so should be work now

ty mate

[frozen quest]

Let me know After u run 1

[unique zealot]

trying to find team for +15 xd

[kindred nacelle]

is there any addon that will tell us when we have a snare like the chains at the beginning of seat etc?

[gritty hamlet]

did this expac fix Outlaw's scaling or do weapon procs still matter too much?

[river olive]

Hey guys, I am thinking switching from Assa to Outlaw, but I have never played Outlaw. Is it way harder to play than assa?

[jolly geyser]

its def a spec you gotta get used to,cant really just jump in I would say

[gritty hamlet]

it's a pity the Torment's Duality set can only be champ/hero

[buoyant cosmos]

Try hitting the AOE dummies after reading the faq and see if you like the pace

[pure folio]

Yes

[unique zealot]

working now

[plush comet]

do you ever swap to wound poison in MGT?

[pure folio]

Voidcallers

[novel birch]

Big pumps out here

[verbal vortex]

i need a domiemommy

[cerulean portal]

[vapid sundial]

now take away the aug

and what are you left with

[rigid junco]

The hardest thing for me is adjusting to APM and reactivity. Assa is so set and forget that you can basically ignore your CDM outside of defensives and your two majors. You’ll need time to get used to watching your UI AND enemy nameplates. I haven’t played OL since DF and now I remember why.

[buoyant cosmos]

The group simp using that name is wild

[plush comet]

ye for me it was getting the flow and reacting properly and paying attention to cd's cause they come off real fast with finishers... and keeping another eye on Roll the Bones

its quite overwhelming at start but im getting the hang of it, only thing feels crap is rolling 1 and 2 repeatedly when you wanna do dmg 😄

[buoyant cosmos]

Don't forget the first half of Caverns as well

[plush comet]

its too easy to mess up as Outlaw tbh... i do wrong finisher or waste CP's constantly... fuck

[plush comet]

why?

[buoyant cosmos]

No one is perfect

[buoyant cosmos]

Berserkers

[plush comet]

oh

[buoyant cosmos]

You can drop the sprint talent and get the extra 2 applications of wound talent if you want

The extra point might not matter until bigger keys though, depending on your other dps

[plush comet]

you mean featherfoot?

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't remember the name. It's 30% more move speed and CDR on sprint

Iirc

[plush comet]

4 sec more on spring y

sprint

k ty good to know

[buoyant cosmos]

Np

[high vector]

i guess its a bug that hookshot goes on cd and just doesnt move you at all

[jolly geyser]

hook and random cds,my fav. I rather go underneath the world and not dc

[warped spruce]

is raidbots correct when it it says that a 295 dagger/crafted is >>> than Krick's 298 Dagger dmg wise?

[novel birch]

Same position but lower numbers 😎

[vapid sundial]

ARE YOU SURE
the aug may be top

[frail veldt]

link your sim but potentially yes

does that crafted dagger have an embellishment on it?

does it have the same enchant in the sim

[warped spruce]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a6WnbHDpxYenFp8cF1gLqs

[frail veldt]

yeah youre comparing it to a dagger with an embelishment

[warped spruce]

i see i see, thank you

[frail veldt]

if you want to sim kricks properly youll want to add some other item that has like arcanoweave

[cerulean portal]

do i look outlaw?

have u seen next patch tmogs?

[surreal latch]

What are the best dungeons to bonus roll on ? NPX i guess ?

POS too

[pure folio]

POS

[frail veldt]

@keen belfry when pulling like warriors in maisara for funnel is it actually more funnel damage for outlaw to press bladeflurry

or is the cps not worth the energy

like at what target count is bladeflurry cp worth the energy in terms of prio damage

[vivid vessel]

5 targets

[frail veldt]

oh wow

[vivid vessel]

what

[frail veldt]

like there needs to be 4 extra mobs around for pressing bf to be worth it

for prio

[vivid vessel]

i mean

otherwise ss generate the same amount of cp anywya

[frail veldt]

or does that not include losing KS damage in both scenarios

yeah fair

[vivid vessel]

idk

[frail veldt]

good point

[vivid vessel]

i mean i havent actualyl checked but

maybe 4 target at 2 cp

but like you for sure wont bf on 3

[fair charm]

I could have sworn the FAQ said to send BF on 3+ targets, whereas with 2 you only refresh when it's about to wear off

[frail veldt]

it does

were talking about prio

not overall dps

like if you had target dummies next to you and youre trying to kill a boss

so the damage to the dummies is irrelevant

at what point do you bladeflurry to kill boss faster

[ashen birch]

@vivid vessel I was watching your MT vid and saw you are kicking, kidney shotting and gouging mobs you aren't focusing, targeting or mousing over. Is that a macro or how are you doing that?

[livid pewter]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever wasp]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[vivid vessel]

/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kidney Shot
/targetlasttarget```

[ashen birch]

ahh nice

[gaunt phoenix]

it clears your target and tab-targets

which prioritizes casters

Ofc tab target can troll you but it is more or less directed where you are facing

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe /startattack after this

[vivid vessel]

you start attack when you press spells so idk

[ashen birch]

Basically the same as Naowh's Macro, but without the focus option in front and his seems a little clunkier?
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Kick
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Kick
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack

[vivid vessel]

thats the one i use

with focus

[ashen birch]

sic

[vivid vessel]

also i cant prove it but he stole it from me

well i dont have focus target and shit tho idk why you would do that its useless

clear target and targest last target does it

[final pagoda]

so this macro depends 100% on tab-target logic, no?

[vivid vessel]

yes

its a tab target

[final pagoda]

wow I was very skeptic on tab target logic after this season

[vivid vessel]

/stopmacro [@focus, harm]
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kick
/targetlasttarget

[final pagoda]

I fucked up so many kicks w/ tab

[ashen birch]

yeah the /focus target halfway through then the /target focus /clear focus don't make sense?

[vivid vessel]

its worse in midnight

[final pagoda]

not sure how you can rely on it so much

[vivid vessel]

yes

get the one i sent

[buoyant stratus]

We love tab targetting

[vivid vessel]

if you wanna have focus in the same macro

[keen belfry]

I’ve wondered about pressing bf for tier at lower if tier not up

[ashen birch]

like, maybe he added some fluff in there to not copy you?

[final pagoda]

/stopmacro [@focus, harm] whats this for?

[vivid vessel]

i mean its just a macro

but i swear no one was using it

i started in s2 tww cause of

wahts her name

[final pagoda]

also what if ur targetting already the caster?

[vivid vessel]

the outlaw streamer