outlaw

[keen belfry]

just do seat for haste

will take a bit tho

but just craft one this week

u have uncapped crests now

send crafts if not myth track

[outer meteor]

i wonder if the pit neck

at myth

sims better than salad at hero

cuz i dont have the salad one

[keen belfry]

it for sure does

[outer meteor]

my guild is perma extending

crown

i killed salad twice

[keen belfry]

same lil bro

[outer meteor]

XDD

[keen belfry]

the pit neck is as good

its no diff

it has more crit so change ur gems to haste or whatever its same

[outer meteor]

holy im excited now

i thought i was cooked

[keen belfry]

yes this was big power week for us low end raiders

i legit gain like 3-4 ilvls and like 3-4% dmg if not more

[hardy thicket]

means I can send sparks freely as well

my rogue is going places

[steel shadow]

be honest have u guys ever wiped your raid on purpose cause you low rolled 1 too many times

[keen belfry]

no

have i made a comment as a raid lead that was "u guys should play bad this pull"

yes

but not wiped the raid

[hardy thicket]

ive died to something fucking awful and hoped the raid wipes

does that count

[steel shadow]

whoops i accidentally forgot how dissonance works

[keen belfry]

hoping is good

[hardy thicket]

I died three times to the same fucking thing on recleras on vora I wanted to scream at the screen

fool me once... etc

[proven ocean]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[glass mortar]

return of the mouse

[steel shadow]

if u start "Free Bird" right when you kill the first set of belo'rens in a heroic group the guitar solo should start right about when egg phase happens

[proven ocean]

??

wait

i should name myself as a movie title

Ross Return of the Mouse

like

spider man: far away from high logs

Awang: Far away from High Logs

@vivid vessel

thoughts

[deep sequoia]

they uncapped crests this week right?

[keen belfry]

dude...

[outer meteor]

awang

i just realized

i have to farm

420 crests

man...

[keen belfry]

yeah us uck

did u int really hard

[outer meteor]

im just gonna get it natty

no way im doing 20 12s

i dont think i inted that hard

wasted like 80 crests total

[timid portal]

fizz you can speedrun heroic raid

and exchange hero crests for myth also

[gleaming reef]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

maybe u dont have alt

and alts r op

for saving

[steel shadow]

it is probably genuinely faster to slam t5 rituals and convert hero to myth

maybe like 160 hero an hour? 180 if you're insano blast?

[worldly zephyr]

Man I kinda hate how easy it is to get bis myth track gear. It used to require some time and effort. Maybe even a little skill.

Now it’s handed to players like candy. The entire games been dumbed down and made more casual friendly over the last couple years and honestly, I hate it.

[vagrant saddle]

game's gone casual

[gaunt phoenix]

I liked the old old bonus rolls

[strange kelp]

The ones that gave you gold?

And you got mad?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[glass mortar]

u got a ton of them tho

[soft abyss]

I mean the game has gone away from you need gear for content (or it even never was)

gear has nothing to do at the moment , unless you are playing for world first keys or something

[jolly geyser]

the fuck

[haughty wigeon]

the only thing i dislike

is that heroic raiding is kinda pointless

cause keys were so much easier to grind heroic items from

and frankly theres no cantrips you want from raids that a mythic level key item doesnt rival already

im suggesting we have shit like sylv dagger again btw

[radiant wyvern]

hero drops and myth track vault starting at +16

[strange kelp]

Good, let heroic just be for alts. Like we don't need 4 raid difficulties and every one to have relevance

[outer meteor]

that has to be it

[haughty wigeon]

thats so dumb

you know that only like 15% or less of the games popular gets atoc right?

its not really that casual of content

meanwhile keys are so easy rn that people who have no business being in 10s are doing 14s

[strange kelp]

Yeah and 50% don't even do anything but pet battles and tmog

It's not surprising it's only 15%

[jolly geyser]

most here posting are small %

[gaunt phoenix]

there's def a lot of heroic guilds that very quickly outgear the progression and the only reason to finish it is for funsies

which i mean it kinda always was like that

but i agree H raid becomes obsolete very quickly

[golden stump]

Yo this outlaw rotation is something else. I'm coming over from aug and bruh...What are we even doing

[hardy thicket]

aug ouch

[soft abyss]

like 30% have aotc and 60 % have a 10 timed

[jolly geyser]

quite a jump from aug

[hardy thicket]

thats a rough transition

[cinder relic]

a LOT!

[golden stump]

Aug is like "If ebon might is down, get it up"

Outlaw is a spreadsheet of if, then scenarios lmao

[strange kelp]

Aug to outlaw is certainly a transition

[haughty wigeon]

idk man

it just feels like heroic got obsolete alot faster this expansion than other ones

[jolly geyser]

dont say

[glass mortar]

i mean i feel like in previous seasons herioc is only ever relevant if theres some turbo op cantrips

[cinder relic]

I think broadly speaking the game is a bit undertuned this tier

[glass mortar]

also the new tier system is stronger then its ever been

so people dont really need it for tier after week 2 either

its probably the weakest its ever been, i dont know if i see that as a problem tho. if ur the type to be progging herioc raid u probably arent usually timing 10s easily enough to be decked out in full myth gear

that being said, m+ is turbo undertuned this season for sure

maybe whole game like guy said ye

like me and my rat smash our brains into keys first couple weeks for memes friends were doing +14s week 1 in 260 ilvl ?????

it didnt even feel hard on anyone but the tank

never played a season like that before

[soft abyss]

It is literally the first time Aotc is that hard

[cinder relic]

Ofc, the changes to the game across the board are 1 part, but remember when mythic gear was suppose to be "more expensive" per upgrade track

and then they just got rid of it

thats probs part of what makes it on the easiest end

[soft abyss]

I mean we compare also this season where m+ is extremely free

[haughty wigeon]

that adds to it tbh

this is probably the easiest season in the games history i think

[strange kelp]

I mean I think mob hp value and dmg is relatively similar to older seasons but keys are far less chaotic and a single person can carry interrupts in medium level keys. I think the bolt slop change just showed how much cc was gate keeping people

[soft abyss]

CE guilds barely have aotc this season xd

[glass mortar]

i dont feel that way at all

[soft abyss]

We took aotc last week

[glass mortar]

week 1 we were 3 chesting 10s like it was a joke

none of us even knew mechanics

easily the most undertuned m+ season ive played since legion

i mean to be clear

i was playing with good players

mythic raiders

[strange kelp]

I mean we were timing 10s week one every season of TWW except s1

[glass mortar]

we were just playing blind in no gear

[jolly geyser]

I have lura aotc 2 weeks ago, im good?

[glass mortar]

and laughably easily 3 chesting keys, or 2 chesting keys while full wiping on bosses

[strange kelp]

Like I do think keys are easier, no argument there

But I don't think it's just a mobs hit less or have less hp thing

[wind pond]

is there a way to sim dungeon slice longer than 6 min? trying to figure out what trinkets to use between hc Solarflare, myth heart of wind and myth guidon but the 6 min sim barely even runs out of tea

so hard to judge how much to value haste trinkets

like guidon + heart of wind

[strange kelp]

You just don't see the "no one kicked and I got triple bolted" deaths this season

[soft abyss]

the issue this season is that damage is overtuned

[soft abyss]

you can run dungeonroute

but dslice is ok for getting results

[strange kelp]

Well we also had one extra week of normal before season started this xpac didn't we?

[soft abyss]

or untalent tea , easy fix

[random stirrup]

our priory 12 in tww2 was world 2nd for like a full 24hrs

[strange kelp]

Didn't they release it earlier but loot cap it last time

[wind pond]

idk if this makes a more unrealistic scenario than a 6 min slice but I'll try

[strange kelp]

Priory was absolutely an example of what I mean by kick change

[wind pond]

or I'll just run heart and guidon and surely I pick up gaze in vault or bonusroll

surely it's not the last item from m dreamrift on a 3rd character

[hollow wharf]

Hi guys i dont have time rn to scroll the whole cord, i m zero ilvl which dung should i reroll loot into ?

thanks for the help

[wind pond]

pit

6 times

[hollow wharf]

thanks mate

[wind pond]

can also lootspec assa for an offhand dagger there

idk if you'd want to roll it though

it's probably fine

or just craft one

[hollow wharf]

okok

[wind pond]

next week you have more bonus rolls than you can reasonably spend though so

[stark star]

if i have 2 bonus rolls left on my fresh geared rogue, and sitting on 2x champ trinkets. should i go for gaze which has a 1/4 to give me trinket, but on SR i have 1/3 of getting good trinket

[steady cliff]

guys as wowanalyzer isnt supporting outlaw how can i actually check why is my damage so dogshit?

[hollow wharf]

Evoker discord would say you have to cast more

[wind pond]

ask nicely in here for a log review

[steady cliff]

i'm legit ashamed to post it, even if it's my 6th alt, but i'm just ABYSMAL 🥲

[wind pond]

is it a key

[steady cliff]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/167WAFbzqGxHBcK8?fight=54&type=damage-done but if anyone would be so kind to give it a look (ignore gear, digned 90 this reset)

[steady cliff]

im dog on keys aswell, but maybe raid is easier

[wind pond]

common problems from just looking in here is sending finishers at 5 cp

and absolutely butchering your opener (me)

[steady cliff]

i dont even know what the opener is hehehehehe

[steady cliff]

is 5cp finisher a bad thing?

[wind pond]

if you're trickster

if you're fatebound I have no idea

[inland acorn]

#outlaw-faq

[inland acorn]

fatebound can dispatch at 5, bte 6+

[steady cliff]

thanks boys ❤️

[errant terrace]

is anyone using bonus rolls for l'ura ring?

[wind pond]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=12 Adrenaline Rush, Killing Spree, Preparation, Adrenaline Rush, Slice and Dice

here's your pre-key countdown ritual

unsure if it applies to fatebound

slice and dice in the bubble

not the countdown

[inland acorn]

It doesn't, because you don't KS

So fatebound pre-key is just press Adrenaline

and then SND in bubble

[wind pond]

don't they get superchargers

from adr prep adr

[inland acorn]

you can only carry 2 charges

[wind pond]

are the rest cosmetic

[inland acorn]

rest are reset

[thorny zinc]

it resets to 2 on key start

[inland acorn]

just like you lose cps when bubble drops

[upper hawk]

what's the point of prep pre key?

[inland acorn]

if you ADR ks, you have 1 sc only

so ADR --> KS --> Prep --> ADR gives you 2 sc at the start of the key

minor min-max

[upper hawk]

gotcha

[blissful kettle]

what was the website for simming called

[wind pond]

raidbots

[inland acorn]

Raidbots.com

[blissful kettle]

thank you

[upper hawk]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[steady cliff]

Spent only on 7cp.
Still a dog: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/167WAFbzqGxHBcK8?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1655

Do i just abandon my rogue or what

[inland acorn]

you don't force 7cp

you can finish at 6

[steady cliff]

do you see anything in the log that shouts bigbigbigloser?

[steady cliff]

(apart from my dps :)))

[inland acorn]

yeah

[upper hawk]

the opener is not ideal

or deal

[wind pond]

no, outlaw is fun

[steady cliff]

the opener wont make me go from 78k to 100k overal, or will it?

[wind pond]

went from 24 log first averzian kill to 98 on 2nd

[upper hawk]

no. but it doesn't hurt, right potions are up, lust is probably up

yoru first sc finishers are not bte

not forcing 7cp will help too. you wasted a lot of cp if you did htat

[inland acorn]

your casts seem low

especially pistol shot

[steady cliff]

i only pistol with opportuniy

[inland acorn]

what is your haste ?

[steady cliff]

726

[inland acorn]

%

[steady cliff]

(with flask)

21.2%

[inland acorn]

you're prioritizing KS over BtE which is wrong

[thorny zinc]

are you pressing ar with ar up already? idk how much that matters but we have the same casts but I have 6% more uptime

[inland acorn]

check fight time length

maybe your is shorter

[thorny zinc]

yea true u right

[steady cliff]

Its a tuesday night pug, only shitters left

[inland acorn]

You're not holding BtE when ADR is about to come off cooldown

Are you

Holding ADR to align with guidon trinket ?

[steady cliff]

No

Never

[inland acorn]

Ok, so just lucky it aligned like 2-3 times

[steady cliff]

They are macroed

[inland acorn]

The only 2 things I see is
-wrong KS/BtE priority
-Sending BtE when ADR is less than ~30s away

Idk, reading outlaw logs is hurting my brain

[fading igloo]

Macroing much of anything onto Adrenaline is giga awkward but the entire log just doesn't do any of the basics right, it's like scuffed the moment you go into opener

read FAQ before you have people look at logs imo, it's a hot mess from the moment you go into the fight lol, give yourself like a week or 2 with the basics if you just hit 90 on this xd

[steady cliff]

Fair point!

[inland acorn]

Also forcing 7cps, when you could finish at 6

and opener like guy said

but ye, get through holy bible #outlaw-faq

[steady cliff]

Thanks for your effort guys, especially @inland acorn

[inland acorn]

specifically rotation part

[steady cliff]

I’ll be back with r1 logs soonTM

[inland acorn]

Also if you decide after couple days, that you still need help, highly recommend just recording yourself hitting dummy for like ~1-2 mins, with some GCD history on screen (details has plugin for example). That's easiest way to spot mistakes

[steady cliff]

Appreciate you man!

[cinder relic]

!ban @frank beacon

[maiden beacon]

how diff is fatebound compared to trickster, when it comes to rotation?

[main radish]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden beacon]

with dancing steal we can hit up to 9 targets in tot?

[keen belfry]

8

[quaint mauve]

awang

[maiden beacon]

oh

right

[vast mauve]

is focusing lens worth it as 2nd embelishment for m+´if i do not have socket in head + belt?

[mystic osprey]

question for you outlaws, if youre at your stat target, should we be putting any extra stats we get into vers? or what

[keen belfry]

sim will tell u to get some vers after u are giga haste and crit

but idk, get a fuck ton of crit and then more haste than u think u need

[lean flax]

yeah trickster tends to feel better for me at least with around 25-26% haste in dungeons

[mystic osprey]

yeah im at 26% haste 35.6 crit

[keen belfry]

yeah ignore vers get some more crit

my sim tells me swap to vers gems but im ignoring it

1250 crit 1k haste

[buoyant cosmos]

lousy clanker

[steel shadow]

came second place on gaze to a guy with a no no word in his name so i reported him solely out of spite :^)

[frail veldt]

lolol

[foggy cove]

well thats nice

[glass mortar]

might be the rudest vault i have ever seen posted in here

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

only 279 ilvl

low !

[toxic galleon]

chat is it fine to use fist weapon as main hand

[glass mortar]

ye

[toxic galleon]

oki ty

[glass mortar]

[desert tendon]

@wintry solar 👀

[wintry solar]

It recently became decomped

Hoping for rom hacks to start dropping soon

[halcyon garden]

!addons

what is the command for melee qol addons or smthing

[buoyant stratus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[buoyant stratus]

Dis badboi?

[stuck magnet]

Does anyone have Lights Guidon simmming strangely high for them?

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel bro.

[vivid vessel]

@quaint mauve bro.

[quaint mauve]

he has an important announcement

[nocturne shuttle]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

i also finally upgraded my hero rings

[near osprey]

whats yalls sims for single target?

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly

big cat this one !

[near rock]

133k

[near osprey]

i see hella ppl running mastery pieces, it just be simming better?

[near rock]

nah

[unborn knot]

do we need a dagger in the offhand or is double sword fine? I have sword in vault but crafted sword already and don't have a myth dagger

[vivid vessel]

ye dagger off hand even very low ilvl will prolly win

like hc vs mthic

prolly wins

you have uncapped crest this reset btw

[craggy barn]

craft dagger not a bad idea either

[hot mauve]

can somone point me in the right direction for macros

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw doesnt really have dps macros

[craggy barn]

zac

for guidon are u just sending it on cd

i magine u are right

[vivid vessel]

y

[craggy barn]

im in the same boat as u rn with trinkets

[keen belfry]

anyone seen the issue with the umbral core not goin gup past 0%

[errant terrace]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[craggy barn]

i can finally stop pugging mythic

[rough oriole]

youre not trying to line it up with ADR/

[vivid vessel]

no

[craggy barn]

the haste is good no matter when u use it

zac raid bots wants me to use crit flask in raid with this lol

[ember rock]

is guidion good i thought it was mid

[worldly zephyr]

to parse on myth salad bar does one save prep for the first dmg amp

[dim parrot]

Probs same as solar flare mythic / heroic plume depending on gear

[vivid vessel]

solar mythic should be way better

mythic guidon kinda similar to hc flaer

[tribal cosmos]

CRESTS ARE UNCAPED

TIME TO CHARGE

[ember rock]

well i have myth prism so guess im chillin

[dim parrot]

I lost my rolls for solar mythic already this week

[ember rock]

yea i got prism forst try like 2 weeks ago

[dim parrot]

Fuck u

[ember rock]

but took me 4 tried for gaze so

[dim parrot]

Jk

[tribal cosmos]

they havent uncapped void cores ?

poop game

[dim parrot]

Gaze and prism is good

I rolled pit as outlaw this whole time if I switch to assa does it reset loot table

[ember rock]

i have myth prism gaze box and guidon now

[vivid vessel]

ye

[ember rock]

can play anything 🤓

[dim parrot]

That’s what I heard

Damn

[tribal cosmos]

yor

cooked

[dim parrot]

I think krick with swap embell was like 0.5% for me

[ember rock]

have there been any 21-22s timed as fatebound

[craggy barn]

lol

seat trinket better than prism for me i guess LOL

[ember rock]

bro that one and the hook is fully bait xdd

[craggy barn]

yea

[ember rock]

theres just no way

[dim parrot]

Is that ST or slice

[vivid vessel]

idk what this trinket is even

[craggy barn]

slice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xj1muve9SCN9yx12hAMc1S

[dim parrot]

Wtf

[ember rock]

its just an aoe damage proc trinket from seat right

[craggy barn]

on use

lol

[ember rock]

oh on use

[craggy barn]

the only actual trinket id go for is belo

i used my rerolls on guidon this week so i can finally play sub without being cringe

[ember rock]

is myth belo puggable

[craggy barn]

no

[ember rock]

xd

[craggy barn]

hero plume is still better

than myth guidon

[dim parrot]

Yeh but ilvl for invs

[dim parrot]

Is more important

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[ember rock]

but myth prism is better than hero plume?

[dim parrot]

No

Not for me

[craggy barn]

doing aquick slice sim

[dim parrot]

Kinda respect undead

I’d eat the dps loss if the stealth animation was still cool

[tribal cosmos]

dwarves only

https://klipy.com/gifs/hobbit-thor--k01KS1J0P2AYEB09BSE6WX22A5P

[craggy barn]

1% dps loss to be undead

1.1%*

[dim parrot]

Yeah but the stealth animation used to be better too

Belf female has good one still

[craggy barn]

hero belo vs myth prism

[vivid vessel]

if i dont get belo trinket in vault

i crash out !

[craggy barn]

crash out!

[dim parrot]

Yeh then I gap u lil bro

Don’t cry

[wintry solar]

How about we crash in?

[ember rock]

are u not home why have u not checked yet

[vivid vessel]

im eu lil gup

[dim parrot]

I don’t remember last time I do 90k on crawth

[buoyant stratus]

we are so powerful

[ember rock]

what day does eu reset

[buoyant stratus]

Raid saves me

[ember rock]

wtf

[dim parrot]

U have plume myth yet

[buoyant stratus]

nope

gonna find out

in about 5ish minutes?

[craggy barn]

how 291 wtf

my crafted mh is holding me back!

[vivid vessel]

crafted main hand

[craggy barn]

zac

every time i sim for a weapon

crafted is better

[vivid vessel]

main hand you mean ?

[craggy barn]

ye

[vivid vessel]

that cant be

you sim bad

noob at simming

[craggy barn]

every time i find one in vault

mh is better

crafted

i had salad bar mh in vault and crafted was better (even moving embel)

[vivid vessel]

well you need a good stated one

[vivid vessel]

that surprise me a bit

[craggy barn]

i had the only good mplus one

[vivid vessel]

but not that much

[craggy barn]

last week

and cfrafted was better

[dim parrot]

Even with cape embell instead?

[vivid vessel]

hte one from saladar isnt that bad stats tho

[craggy barn]

i dont have a rafted cape

[vivid vessel]

maybe you are bad at simming tho lil bro

show sim

[dim parrot]

I think cape embell would aim higher

[tribal cosmos]

yo

how bad are the crafted trinketds

trinkets

[craggy barn]

it probably would be, but i had a wrist with socket in vault

and that was just better

[tribal cosmos]

darkmoon dominion is actually crazy ngl

[dim parrot]

Oh you already have bunch of crafts

Boots and belt

[craggy barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1feEr2Drtgi6RAkA2gqFnX

yea boots and belt

[tribal cosmos]

alchemist stone is just a worse gaze

[vivid vessel]

idont like this sim

too much shit in it

[craggy barn]

yea its a lot

cuz i had to check moving embel

and other upgrades

weapon might be good now after all my gear changes

but last 2 weeks it wasnt

[dim parrot]

Can’t u just compare current gear

To MH and embell on boots

[craggy barn]

yea im doing another one rn

its probably good now but i have no rerolls

atm

and i didnt get to kill salad bar

bc scuffed pug raid

[vivid vessel]

weird !

maybe weapon embel is good idk

i havent really simmed

removing my weap embel

yet

[craggy barn]

i guess ic ould also sim just shifting to dagger embel

since i have one for sub/sin

[vivid vessel]

i need to wait 2 h for vault zomb

will you wait with em

[craggy barn]

sure

im not doing shit rn

cant reclear anymore

[vivid vessel]

ok we wait

[craggy barn]

pug 19s take forever to find

[dim parrot]

Is eu down or u streaming Zac

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

its not down but its 4am

people asleep

eu doesnt get maintainance

we have a server restart at 3am

[craggy barn]

zac how far are u from resil 22

[vivid vessel]

that last like 20 min or so idk

[ember rock]

bro its 7pm wtf u talkbout

[vivid vessel]

i have resi 22

[craggy barn]

then 23

[vivid vessel]

0 23

but like idk

[craggy barn]

oof

[vivid vessel]

if we play a bit this reset

we can time many many 23

its kidna free now with the gear

[craggy barn]

yea

bro i was only able to time 1 19 last week

[vivid vessel]

and we have some of the best timer on every key everytime we time a 22

[craggy barn]

kinda pissed

[vivid vessel]

its just

not a 23

so

[craggy barn]

barely any groups in NA

and they suck sometimes

[vivid vessel]

im actually surprised

we did 22 seat earlier

with like

[dim parrot]

They do suck sometimes

[vivid vessel]

pug warrior basically

[craggy barn]

and my mplus tank is fcking in forsa jail

[dim parrot]

Lolll

[vivid vessel]

and it was r2 timer

i want faro to be back

[craggy barn]

the pug warrior that uve been running with the past week?

[vivid vessel]

no

not shai

shai wasnt here

[craggy barn]

ah

[craggy barn]

holy

did he do well

[dim parrot]

I don’t like critic

Cuz I only play 19-20

But shai die a lot

Lol

Maybe I just watch wrong keys

[craggy barn]

murtaz died a lot when he came back

[vivid vessel]

ye it was fine

but like he had not really timed any 22 before

[dim parrot]

Zac

[vivid vessel]

idk kinda cool

[craggy barn]

yall just yoinked him from lfg

[vivid vessel]

weird week with gear increase

[craggy barn]

and he timed a 22

ez

[vivid vessel]

suddently keys are like

[dim parrot]

We overtime 21 NXP by 23 seconds cuz last boss reset

At 80%

[vivid vessel]

3 min gained on every key

so every key we did

are worth nothing

like keys from last week

[dim parrot]

The shadowguards at entrance by stairs were running back over bridge

[craggy barn]

it will be even better with .7 zac

[vivid vessel]

m+ is really weird with all these mid season things

[craggy barn]

so much more 298 gear

is gonna exist

[vivid vessel]

its annoying

honestly

like you get a mini reset every 3 week

[craggy barn]

ok finally

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2QuiHpPwkX7RmqnWu9i1Fc

weapon finally the play

too bad i dont have rerolls rn

[pallid oyster]

i haven't gotten krick's and the cape from pit of saron yet but the roll says i should only get cape, has anyone run into this issue?

[unborn knot]

outlaw loot spec?

[pallid oyster]

yeah

[unborn knot]

need sin/sub

[pallid oyster]

can i not get dagger as outlaw lootspec?

[unborn knot]

for dagger

[pallid oyster]

oh

unlucky

i heard if you change your loot spec you have to repeat everything, is that true?

[unborn knot]

I also heard the same, but not tested myself

[pallid oyster]

ill try another pit and report lol

[keen belfry]

okay i gained 3 ilvls

[dim parrot]

Dude lmk cuz I have to do this too

[keen belfry]

im back to bneing geared

[dim parrot]

Or I just don’t get kricks

U have myth gaze Awang

[keen belfry]

yuh took 10 tokens

[dim parrot]

Lolol

[dim parrot]

F

[ember rock]

felt

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

Loot poll for your roll is specific to a loot spec

[rancid silo]

First roll on lura and it happened life is good

[dim parrot]

Why mastery

[vivid vessel]

just change loot spec and mouse over the roll thing

you will see

[rancid silo]

i multi spec so im not too worried about perfect stats

[vivid vessel]

cant believe noobs like you caught up to my ilvl now

blizzard catters to casuals ..

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

crit mastery gems

[rancid silo]

😭

im just a sin player role playing

[gaunt phoenix]

[rancid silo]

I dont have any other rings besides this one and crafted

[dim parrot]

I’m on nightshift

But I just wanna go home and play my outlaw rogue

Someone stream in like 30 mins

Awang

[buoyant stratus]

next week XD

[dim parrot]

Damn

[pallid moss]

Is there any specific channel to ask for log reviews? I’m trying to pickup up outlaw and have to be doing something drastically wrong. Ran back to back 14s with the same group and dungeon and pulled ~160k dps on sub and 100k on outlaw 😭 anyone willing to take a look and help a guy out?

[dim parrot]

Charr do u have team or u pug

Or just network from high io lots

[pure folio]

do !log

it will open a thread where u post ur log

[pallid moss]

!log

[buoyant stratus]

team cant play so pure mercenary life rn

also mogged surely wont be beaten tommorow by mr elvis

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly

what is this

[buoyant stratus]

beloran

[vivid vessel]

ah gege

[buoyant stratus]

we held dps too

smodge

[vivid vessel]

ye

i think beloren

idk

[buoyant stratus]

meme fight

[vivid vessel]

i dont see how to log on it

[buoyant stratus]

haha

[vivid vessel]

i think imma do less dps every week

[buoyant stratus]

I think when people start doing

fast kill strat

[vivid vessel]

we hold dps for 1 mmin so like

[vivid vessel]

you go back sub ye

one phase

[buoyant stratus]

nah ive seen like

push at 1:30

and insta push second bird

type shi

[vivid vessel]

we insta push second bird anywya i thin

you dont ?

[buoyant stratus]

ye

now we do

[vivid vessel]

but like

first

if you push at 1min30

people dont have cds tho

[buoyant stratus]

maybe first egg can be 1 banged

[vivid vessel]

so dik

[buoyant stratus]

udj yet

[vivid vessel]

i think a one egg strat is close

i think its already possible

if you optimise comp

for it

[buoyant stratus]

yeah

sub yucky tho

just gotta convince RL

[buoyant stratus]

to 2 phase

[vivid vessel]

1min30 phase

this guild

[buoyant stratus]

pog

[vivid vessel]

well

they stopped dps

in p2

nvm maybe not

eh idk

i thihnk they did

for a lil bit

[pallid oyster]

i bring good news

[vivid vessel]

oh that must be new

it wasnt like that last week

interesting

[pallid oyster]

yeah very fortunate lol

[vivid vessel]

i think im on the same boat actually

i might wanna roll it as assa in the future

but i rolled as law early on

[outer meteor]

guys do we think i win

the 1/9 on seat bonus roll

for helmet

[vivid vessel]

\

[gentle wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-dance-hakari-kinji-hakari-jjk-hakari-jjk-dance-gif-5087158465488164326

try

[outer meteor]

i mean i dont think theres anything else to use bonus roll on

for me at least

[pure folio]

what kind of outlaw would you be if you didnt gamble

[unique fulcrum]

EU vault up yet?

[vivid vessel]

30min

[random stirrup]

i pray for plume for you

[pallid oyster]

!guidon

[craggy barn]

not a thing in this chat

if ur wondering why tomelvis uses it

its because his other trinkets suck

[cerulean portal]

Rly no crests cap

[cerulean portal]

Did u get it? 😁

[dim parrot]

Zac I watch ur seat do you send CC on riftstalkers ever?

[vivid vessel]

bro

!

im so mad

[vivid vessel]

no just to cancel the channel

why would i cc the m

[cerulean portal]

its time for me to be mad

[dim parrot]

Idk dangerous mob maybe kidney

[vivid vessel]

when

why

for what reason

what does the kidney do

[dim parrot]

Stop bleed?

[vivid vessel]

ye but at the end of the kindye

he will still jump

and bleed you

so whats the point

[dim parrot]

Hm ok

[vivid vessel]

also they jump even when cced

[dim parrot]

No plume is lame

It’s cuz u didn’t roll as law

Do u get guarantee plume with roll this week

[vivid vessel]

nop

50/50

also my raid is sunday

so its basically next week

[cerulean portal]

i got trash loot

no weapons, no trinkets

[vivid vessel]

gege

[craggy barn]

zac is ur vault up

[vivid vessel]

ye

i got scammed again

[craggy barn]

L

[cerulean portal]

should i try to get pit dagger?

no main hand myth

[cinder relic]

LOLOLOL

[vivid vessel]

guy

even after crest increase

you are prolly still stcuk

at 285 ilvl

dont laugh at me

[vivid vessel]

ye

loser ilvl

[cinder relic]

Projection

[vivid vessel]

i was thjis ilvl 3 weeks ago

[cinder relic]

Hold on

[vivid vessel]

not 291 = bad

[random stirrup]

my 14th alt hit this last week lil bro

[vivid vessel]

right

[cerulean portal]

@vivid vessel tell me

[vivid vessel]

no

[cerulean portal]

i have 3 voidcores

dunno what to do

still no gaze

[vivid vessel]

not having gaze at this point

is legit

you deserve to not have it

you should not have it

you dont deserve it

[cerulean portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[final pagoda]

do u cast light company w/ AR or just whenever off cd?

[nova sinew]

On a bad note the bonus rolls haven’t been very good these last weeks

On a good note I have 3 chars with a 100% chance of their bis trinket on bonus roll next week

[vivid vessel]

ok im crafting engineer head

[nova sinew]

Are you giving up on Lura head

[vivid vessel]

no but im clearing sunday

its too far

[nova sinew]

Or just have extra sparks

[vivid vessel]

idc about sparks i have infinite

mostly annoying for sockets tho

but

im not gonna wait sunday for reclear

cba

if i get lura head

i will keep it for a bit till new socket

[nova sinew]

Zac how much haste are you aiming for

With thief’s vers

[vivid vessel]

like 25 or so dik

[nova sinew]

I’m at 25 rn Idk what I do when I hit Lura ring

Might have to be fks neck

[vivid vessel]

lura ring

[dawn tundra]

Feelin' pretty good about Outlaw right now. Will say that I'm struggling a bit around big AoE stuff, but I feel like I'm doing pretty good damage on the meters.

[cinder relic]

Spec cranks rn

[dawn tundra]

Legit got a Myth Track ring today from my Vault and did some lower tier raiding to get crests.

I'm still holding out hope for the Arator sword, as that's AESTHETICS~ but right now I'm in no real rush. 2424 M+ rating.

[keen belfry]

8k to craft we have to ban him

[frail veldt]

8k bruh

mass report

[nova sinew]

Wang don’t tell me you’re poor

[keen belfry]

i have 2mil nbd

[nova sinew]

I tip my officer that much for when he summons me to raid

[keen belfry]

its the principle

8k to craft boots?

[nova sinew]

Quality comes at a price wang…

[dim parrot]

Hahahah

[nova sinew]

Ur gonna get subpar boots if you keep being stingy

[dim parrot]

No thanks fuck you

[final pagoda]

when do you use that light trinket? 🙏

on CD/AR/etc

[vivid vessel]

on cd

[final pagoda]

that's it? no other guidance?

just off cd no matter TTK etc

[vivid vessel]

i mean

yes if mob is gonna die

dont use it ?

[final pagoda]

fine to use during ar?

[dim parrot]

No thanks fuck you is so funny hahaha

[keen belfry]

i be yellin at ppl

[frail veldt]

isnt that an on use haste trinket?

whai

can you swap it?

[vivid vessel]

you guys need to stfu

[frail veldt]

idgi

[vivid vessel]

i dont have better trinkets ?

can we stop trolling

[frail veldt]

theres no way an on use haste trinket is better

[vivid vessel]

i sim my gear

get owned

[frail veldt]

weirdge

dont believe you

[cinder relic]

Hey zac I noticed you don't have bis on. Is there a reason you are so stupid and don't have bis already? @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

ye my bad i chose to not equip the bis items

[keen belfry]

mewo my guidon is my 2nd best trinket too

do u believe me now

[vivid vessel]

i have tech

non bis items are actually better

[frail veldt]

sounds fake

[vivid vessel]

anyone that ask about my guidon is braindead btw

thats my take

sim your gear

figure it out

its all fake

[frail veldt]

thats your take about anyone who asks questions

[vivid vessel]

yes it is

[warped spruce]

what is a guidon? or, who is guidon?

[frail veldt]

if I had that trinket on youd def go "show sim"

[random stirrup]

Hi Zac. I saw you play house of cards in war within, a mastery on use. I am wondering why you are not playing Vaelgor’s Final Stare now? It may have intellect on it but if mastery was so good before I think you should play it right?

[frail veldt]

true

did you even sim it

[random stirrup]

It doesn’t work in top gear, you have to manually add it in advanced! I did this so Tompelvis must surely have also seen the results..

[cerulean portal]

i just helped a rogue with bis trinket

karmaPLS

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wind pond]

does applying to groups show your bag ilvl or equipped ilvl

[languid kestrel]

Bag ilvl

[sterile tusk]

what are the chances for each roll in rtb

[tulip hazel]

If you do outlaw 6/6, it resets then you’re back to 0/7 for dagger.
How do I know? I just got ripped

[vast mauve]

Do i take legs or offhand? i have crafted offhand and hero legs

[wind pond]

sim but would assume it's legs

[vast mauve]

agree, but thinkin bout bonus rolling in pit before taking any

[tiny onyx]

its not true

just change your loot spec to sin or sub and youll be guarenteed it

i did it earlier today

[wind pond]

how do you know it's guaranteed

based on your n=1

[tiny onyx]

because all specs share the same item pool besides that dagger for outlaw, when you bonus roll you remove the item from the pool - you're not generating a whole new batch of items

[wind pond]

the pool intentionally resets once you've gotten every item

[hardy thicket]

I got Gaze in vault. Kinda pog I guess but I was already 6/8 coins committed to getting it. Still a W ig?

[wind pond]

as in if you've rolled as outlaw 6 times

idk how it actually works since there's 2 of you saying 2 different things but it would make sense the way he said based on how blizzard said it works

as in rolling 6 times as outlaw = you've completed the entire loot table, reset

[tiny onyx]

idc about the other guy, I'm telling you what blizzard said and what actually happened to me. I had all 6/6 items as outlaw and loot spec'd to sub and ran POS again and got the dagger

[tulip hazel]

Explain this picture

[tiny onyx]

its an item pool of everything all ur class's specs can use and the only difference in POS is the dagger

[wind pond]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying

[tiny onyx]

idk what im looking at

[wind pond]

he rolled an item he already has because he rolled 6 times as outlaw already

because it checks for completion after your roll and marks it complete

not before you actually use your roll

so basically it depends if you used your 6th roll as outlaw you're cooked

[tulip hazel]

^ this. I am cooked

I guess I got 6 pieces out of the dungeon at least. Will forever use the crafted dagger though

[tiny onyx]

I'm not sure about the grand scheme of the picture, like was he playing the dungeon as outlaw with sub loot spec, playing it as sub etc

i personally made the mistake of bonus rolling as outlaw and getting duplicate items and then today i changed my loot spec to sub and ran POS and got the dagger on my first roll

after being 6/6 already on outlaw

[wind pond]

there's a sub icon on his bonus loot

[tulip hazel]

You got lucky, 1/7 lucky

[wind pond]

wdym getting duplicate items

you just rolled 1/7

[tiny onyx]

yeah i see that, but idk how he used his rolls because if he's counting items before the voidcore fix

[tulip hazel]

I didn’t use any before Voidcore fix

[tiny onyx]

I never personally seen that list of items, i just rolled knowing what items I got

based on the dungeon journal

[soft abyss]

I will check guys in a bit

I will check if it shows only items that are left in the tooltip

I am getting declined for 10's unfortunately but got inved for an 18

[wind pond]

it just depends how blizzard implemented it and when the check is made, the logical thing would be to check if there are unrolled items for your current lootspec but it's blizzard we're talking about

[tulip hazel]

I gambled on it being a bug. It wasn’t :p

[vast mauve]

is focusing lens the go to embelish when i dont have crafted wep?

m+ situations only

[unkempt iris]

pretty sure

[vast mauve]

roger

swapping to that then

[frail veldt]

I think its arcanoweave

I would sim both

[magic pollen]

Is it worth to pickup Eye of Midnight HC ? Or do i rather craft a ring, what u guys think ?

[light mountain]

if ure full myth alr js sim sockets alongside

got same legs but socket was double dmg upgrade than it

[cerulean portal]

no way ppl will invite me in 20s

with this gear of mine

fking vault man

[river wing]

vault? at this point you could've robbed Pit blind and probably have been 80% through Seat's fuckhuge loot table which includes some BiS and a lot of catalyst pieces

how many voidcores do we have this reset, like 12 total if you didn't ever pick them from vault?

[cerulean portal]

my rogue is 2 weeks old

i have 3 voidcores left

2 for gaze

and reroll pit i guess

[river wing]

rookie mistake, should've made it during patch 1.0 for best vault results smh

but only if they would be a dwarf, due to Find Treasure interactions

[cerulean portal]

never thought i play rogue kek

[uncut stratus]

we switch over to thief's versa once at 24% haste or above, correct? For both m+ and raid? Seeing some builds on WCL and archon still with flickering steel, even if that person is already at 24-25% haste

[river wing]

flickering is still good
you are still never fully safe on energy

numbers-wise thief starts to come out ahead, but in long combat stretches like M+ or long raid fights, flickering adds up a lot for energy

[uncut stratus]

ill sim it both dslice and raid 1t, but from what i understood the general rule of thumb is if you're under 24% haste then take flickering steel, vice versa

[dull geyser]

bro someone tell me why i’m pooling for ADR..

so wack lost some haste with new trinkets and now i’m like pooling now ??

[uncut stratus]

i forgot, for dslice do we select shit like lust or nah

!simguide

[ornate heath]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[uncut stratus]

Interesting - in dslice with bloodlust buff only, thief's versa comes ahead by about 11k, 26% haste with flask

damn that's crazy, 1t raid with optimal raid buffs sim shows thief's versa for me as best AND crit clask, which brings me to 22% haste

[cerulean portal]

i dont wanna reroll on chim :<

rng pls

[uncut stratus]

read it and weep

[cerulean portal]

ah, wrong finger

[lean warren]

guys is there a way to lessen the effect of our smoke

causes me to fuck up sometimes

LOL

visual effects

[uncut stratus]

same actually, im at least glad it doesn't visualize on other peoples screens lol

[hardy thicket]

Set particle density to low

But be aware that it will have an effect on mechanic visability as well

[cerulean portal]

this helped me a lot

[rocky stratus]

I have a question... i looted today the umbral plume and put me in the 40% crit soft cap, should i recraft my embelishments to haste vers or change the flask... i dont rlly know

[lean warren]

damn no wonder i was getting screwed. my particle density was on ultra 😂

will try, thanks for the tips

if only they allowed us to customise the essential spell density stuff

wait maybe we can toggle it

macro it

to adr

[lean warren]

what are skills you have trouble seeing

or projs

with density 1

[gaunt palm]

Embrace the smoke, become one with the smoke

[wintry solar]

Calm down snoop dogg

[uncut stratus]

smoke is still bugged beneficially correct? Meaning you don't need to stay in it or step back into it?

[hardy thicket]

Yeah. Who knows if its a bug tho Lets just say its working as intended.

[worldly compass]

if the tank can't see our cloud then we shouldn't be forced to stand in it

[hardy thicket]

Some frontals and beneficial effects get less noticeable for me, I think the tornados in AA on 2nd boss gets kinda affected too they feel slightly less visable but that might be just my mind playing tricks on me. Spirit link gets kinda wacky from shaman. Some ground effects like on last boss in SR the fire on the ground is less clear etc.

[uncut stratus]

So I simmed 2t and 3t for dragons and paladins. For both, it wants me to take haste flask with Thief's Versatility.

on 1t it wants me to take crit flask instead with Thief's Versatility

Sound logically correct to anyone?

[rich basin]

I see some conflicts on bis gear and what not. Murlok io i see some items/wowhead others/icy veins others
Where would be a good "source of truth" for that matter?

[cerulean portal]

just sim man

[rich basin]

what settings do you guys use?

5 targets, 1 min?

[trail sparrow]

are we viable in raid still ? not sure if I should go outlaw or sub for progress

[rich basin]

sub

[hardy thicket]

Outlaw is perfectly viable now

[inland acorn]

1t 5min for st
Dslice for m+
Droute for more precise m+

[rich basin]

ty

[uncut stratus]

it appears that more haste, or haste flask has higher prio in dslice and 2t and 3t, or just aoe all together

from my analysis

where as crit seems a lil more higher prio in just 1t

[edgy owl]

Hi, I messed up by not setting looting spec to assa when rolling for POS so I don't have the offhand and lost a bonus roll, where should I use them next? My guild doesn't do mythic bel'oren for the moment

[wind pond]

it's official, I've gotten gaze on my very last roll on 3 characters

[unkempt dew]

What? does the bonus roll things reset if you change spec?

[wind pond]

at least next week it's guaranteed ^_^

[edgy owl]

yes

unfortunately

[unkempt dew]

I did not know

[mighty pivot]

is there actual proof for that spec thing? Because the ingame tooltip of what's left to roll doesn't indicate the loot spec resetting what you already rolled

like on my pala who has rolled everything but chest in mgt as holy, when checking for ret it's just chest & 2hander left

[gaunt phoenix]

I rolled pit as sin for a while and i changed to outlaw at some point

my roll list says neck, ring, etc. i had already rolled before

[uncut stratus]

Unfortunately yes

[gaunt phoenix]

as of last friday at least

[uncut stratus]

That's how it should be, but as of like a week or two ago the consensus was if you change loot spec = resets loot pool on that new spec because Blizzard is thinking different loot specs have different weapons, trinkets etc

But if they changed it, then good

[gaunt phoenix]

you misread me maybe

my loot pool did reset

[uncut stratus]

Oh then yeah

So I've been rolling sub ever since I got 1h from sky, so I'm pretty much just staying in sub to not fuck up any loot pool, I'll only switch out outlaw on crown for arators sword

[cedar bone]

can i rock 2 times the same crafted ring or is this not possible?

i have leftover sparks and didnt get pit rerolled luck

[soft abyss]

I rolled some items in pit as Assa then swapped to Outlaw and it shows correctly the loot table. I don't know when this fix was from , but when you end the dungeon you can hover on the bonus roll and see all available items

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, my hover showed items i had rolled as sin before

but i havent done a pit in a few days

[unkempt dew]

I heard something about a macro that always kicks the caster that is casting when pressing. Does anyone know what macro this is?

I always used the mouseover one

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

/nexttarget
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget```

it clears your target, and then tab targets

and tab target prioritizes casters

so it will always kick a caster if you are facing it

ofc if there are 2 casters it will kinda troll cuz it can pick the wrong one