giga trolling
#outlaw
craggy barn
pure folio
But undead swag gain
craggy barn
im still top 200
i wonder how many undead rogues are here
wonder if thats easy data to get
craggy barn
i cant race swap my main so im stuck like this
gray summit
but i wasd out of the raid
craggy barn
a rand?
craggy barn
ah
if ur not in the instance it wont give it to u right a way
it will be mailed
but sometimes it goes poof
craggy barn
like gone
gray summit
we are talking about
craggy barn
like u just wont get it
craggy barn
it USUALLY will just be mailed
but small chance it got fucked in the ether
happened a few times to a few guildies
digital gale
i wonder how many undead rogues are here
im undead but not tryharding yet
craggy barn
usually like 2 hours, sometimes if u relog it appears in ur mail
gray summit
thanks buddy
craggy barn
id screenshot everything ot be safe
but blizzard doesnt really fix loot shit like that
afaik, havent heard of cases where they gave the loot in the end
novel isle
gray summit
usually like 2 hours, sometimes if u relog it appears in ur mail
thanks i just received ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
craggy barn
Solarflare is better than crown trinket ?
crown is on-use with variable cooldown so its a bit more annoying to use (even though u could just macro it to BTE or something)
it might be better for damage amp / burst scenarios like beloren egg phase
glass mortar
tbf theres a plethora of races closer to dwarf then that
craggy barn
but shrug
craggy barn
wel yea
glass mortar
same with 
craggy barn
i just wanna see the data!
vapid sundial
undead racial is just pathetic
Tbf racials need to go
One of the worst features of wow
My healer was begging me to go dwarf for bleed dispel
But I refuse
Ugly ass 2000s action figure
craggy barn
u can, its infinite grind
gray summit
i fucked up
i lost 60 myth crest
because i should up 276 trinket to 285
use 20 to my mythic trinket to up 289 so
and after re use voidcores
sterile tusk
if i’m playing guidon in keys do i send whenever or use with AR
glass mortar
Tbf racials need to go
or just put literally any effort into tuning them
like
i remember a time way back in the day when racials were horrendously out of wack
then i remember a long period of wow where any race i picked was within like a 1% margin outside some spec niche cases
and now we are back to some races legit 2% worse then others for large aspects of the game
because their racials r just a joke
the new races racial is literally just dwarf and taurens but cut in half????
its also a gross joke when the strongest dps racials combine with the strongest utility
😠
delet dwarf
buff vulpera!!
wintry solar
I wanna be able to canabalize without some shitter dot breaking it >:(
echo olive
Can someone tell me what this means. Do not use RTB before the key or you will loos it. What do they mean by key?
lavish shoal
Can someone tell me what this means. Do not use RTB before the key or you will l...
m+
do not roll the bones before the key starts
lavish shoal
do you have to click thistle tea or does it automatic use it?
auto uses it
echo olive
tx again
steel shadow
i shall once again ask if the boss has true sight and i cant adrenaline rush ontop of it for cloud on prepull should i wait til im on it
lavish shoal
i shall once again ask if the boss has true sight and i cant adrenaline rush ont...
u can get really close to most bosses in stealth
what bosses have true sight?
steel shadow
chimaerus is the one im mainly talkin
lavish shoal
does chim have truesight?
glass mortar
u dont need to ever go into cloud the buff auto trefreshes when it expires
u dont need to try to get cloud near boss
steel shadow
oh i was under the impression the boss needed to be in the cloud for it to work
lavish shoal
no
potent walrus
at what point, comp wise, would you decide to go sin instead of outlaw? like if theres no monk or warrior in group is that just auto play different spec or is outlaw just better no matter what. specifically for like 20-21ish keys
is there any rule to follow when it comes to that
lavish shoal
no
potent walrus
@vivid vessel
steel shadow
at what point, comp wise, would you decide to go sin instead of outlaw? like if ...
i would assume that if your comp needed hard funnel sin would be better
lavish shoal
zac will tell u it doesnt matter
potent walrus
i usually play like
lavish shoal
play what u want unironically
warrior effects all three specs the same
and outlaw is only slightly more affected by lack of monk buff
sin bleeds are phys
potent walrus
yea i been doin better as sin tbh but some dungs outlaw feels way ahead
potent walrus
wtf
potent walrus
yeaa
lavish shoal
assuming u can play all specs equally
potent walrus
i rlly like outlaw in skyreach
lavish shoal
there are dungeons where sub / sin / outlaw are btter but
potent walrus
yea seat ive been prefering outlaw and then swap sub last boss
skyreach outlaw feels infinitely better
normal hawk
Feel like you make up the damage difference with just being like more familiar with whatever one you’re maining
vivid vessel
i dont think there is really a spec much better than the other rn
lavish shoal
same zac
potent walrus
hmm okay ty for the info tho, i actually didnt know all bleeds were physical dam and got affected by warrior monk buff
i feel like dumb
not knowing that
vivid vessel
i think if you are a one trick outlaw you will do better than assa
i think sub will do more overall but it also does less prio
and then if you arent a one trick outlaw sin will do the same
outlaw and sub does benefit more from sham buff tho
actually nv
this is a lie
all 3 specs are the smae
potent walrus
hollow bloom
lavish shoal
i think if you are a one trick outlaw you will do better than assa
i think sub w...
i think sub might do more st
vivid vessel
im unsure about that
i think they are close
it prolly depend on boss
and if sub has cds on pull etc
lavish shoal
it prolly depend on boss
i mean most bosses that arent like
the 2t boss in windrunner
sub kinda owns hardcore
sterile tusk
if i’m playing guidon in keys do i send whenever or use with AR
anyone
vivid vessel
outlaw cant do 2 target either bro
but idk
outalw does very good st
how much does sub do
any log ?
any numba
lavish shoal
idk i dont do push keys
gray summit
guys what happen in logs ?
vivid vessel
i dont have logs but like 90k?
ok but thats outalw when giga giga low roll
gray summit
they did not work
vivid vessel
outlaw does between 90 and 120 k
depends on uptime, feint requirement and rng
never under 90
tame drum
youve never seen me play outlaw then kek
tender wedge
Yeah I could show you a thing or two 😂
lavish shoal
outlaw does between 90 and 120 k
i mean it truly depends right
im gonna do a xenas
ill show u
a dmg meter from the non amp boss
but it heavily depends on lust / cds etc
earnest sphinx
outlaw does between 90 and 120 k
Pure st?
earnest sphinx
Like between 90-120 ig
earnest sphinx
Wtf
earnest sphinx
W omar
ancient cobalt
its just i wasnt gettin the same feels that otl in df gave me
there ssomething off
vivid vessel
yeee
desert tendon
same
vivid vessel
outlaw is kinda cooked rn
desert tendon
outlaw doesnt give me the same feeling as in legion
so i canceled my sub
instead of going sub
ancient cobalt
ok thas crazy bro come bck
desert tendon
echo olive
numbing poision or athrophic poision in st and mythic builds is best?
steel shadow
numbing poision or athrophic poision in st and mythic builds is best?
this seems like a thing u can figure out intuitively
echo olive
for trickster builds
cobalt wren
Probably a dumb question but does rogue not have a good way to deal with Xal's bargain ascendant?
vivid vessel
wahts that
cobalt wren
the orbs you have to CC to make them go away
vivid vessel
you can aoe blind but
earnest sphinx
never works its scuffed
cobalt wren
ok thanks
earnest sphinx
you never get all of the orbs even If mob in middle …
wintry solar
So mad rn
Can't play outlaw
Burger King forgot my fries
Fuckin
No one wants to pvp with my dk
vivid vessel
rough
unkempt cypress
Osef
radiant wyvern
Can't play outlaw
y
wintry solar
Someone else in my group called dibs on outlaw before I could
radiant wyvern
so
radiant wyvern
better grp?
wintry solar
Improbable
unkempt cypress
Fk it just send it
wintry solar
Perhaps
unkempt cypress
Double outlaw doom crew
wintry solar
Good time to level my warr tho
unkempt cypress
I played double enh in legion, prb was the most successful I've been doing m+
radiant wyvern
I like to time keys <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
what key lvl
radiant wyvern
you can run whatever at that range
desert tendon
I don't want to run double outlaw
i dont want to run single outlaw
i like to time my keys
wintry solar
i dont want to run single outlaw
You don't even have an active sub
wintry solar
Game not good enough for all dat
You get 19s
Take it or leave it blizz
Please blizzard
Give me Shadowlands 2 and my life is yours
I yearn for the grind
jaunty notch
Don't put that evil on us 🙏
radiant wyvern
wanted to add u
wintry solar
No offense but I'm apprehensive at best with giving my bnet to people in class discords after "the incident"
grim spear
having something to grind is actually kinda nice tbh
i farmed 35 voidshard yesterday, felt great
wintry solar
Ye feels good to have a goal that's out of my control
I guess it is in my control but still
grim spear
mainly because i just happened to have the day off yesterday
for people who have to work during the day and then raid at night, it probably doesn't feel nearly as good.
wintry solar
Shadowlands with current blizzards catch-up/alt friendliness would be pretty fun
glass mortar
shadowlands remix would be a godsend
that expansion is a nightmare of cosmetics to unlock
4 covenants
i would love to be able to just unlocked it all via lemix stuff
radiant wyvern
No offense but I'm apprehensive at best with giving my bnet to people in class d...
elaborate on the incident
wintry solar
Dms
radiant wyvern
popo added me and i wouldnt stop spamming POPO = POOP on bnet
sterile tusk
how does this work i don't see this button
wintry solar
popo added me and i wouldnt stop spamming POPO = POOP on bnet
It's true btw
vivid vessel
how does this work i don't see this button
he removed the button in the last update
idk now
instead there is edit mode settings there
and i have no clue how that thing works
sterile tusk
and im also running into the issue of /wa opening cdm when it was working as intended last night lmao
vivid vessel
prolly an addon you have
sterile tusk
i didn't add anything since last night though
wind pond
2 questions:
is it worth blowing superchargers on the way down to the opener pull on the left on the 2 guards
is it ever worth spending a supercharger on killing spree? it says the duration is bugged when it's supercharged
wide coral
alright, got every item but gaze from bonus rolls GG
now next week its gonna show up on vault
wind pond
same
sterile tusk
instead there is edit mode settings there
you think deleting the whole group remaking it with same settings would work
vivid vessel
what problem do you have rn
sterile tusk
just it not going away
lavish shoal
yeah i mean its about 90k without lust on a boss with some downtime
first boss and last boss nexus were ~93
warrior/hunter buffs
weary prairie
Hello, question idk if this has been asked before, but do spam BtE when you get the proc even on 5 combo points or wait for 6+ combo points?
steel shadow
Hello, question idk if this has been asked before, but do spam BtE when you get ...
i have been told you build if you only have 5
weary prairie
i have been told you build if you only have 5
thank you so much
red grove
dim parrot
Guys I use the WA for rtb so it doesn’t bug but it still goes missing idk what i have wrong
glass mortar
did u move the WA indicator under ur RtB indicator in ur cdm
it cant show u what buff u have
all it can do is indicate ur RtB is currently bugged
u still need to look at the buff on ur buff bar to see the buff type/duration
🙂
dim parrot
I did move it to under my cdm
Sometimes. Will show like a grey thing
Ooo so should I use RTB as a bar instead
glass mortar
no i meant ur literal buff bar
like top right
the grey thing is the bug indicator
dim parrot
Ah
dim parrot
Gotcha
glass mortar
good stuff blozz
dim parrot
Yeah it sucks
Sometimes I play with no buff for a few secs cuz can’t tell if I’m bugged again
Trained my brain funny now
cerulean portal
I just found out that bird at 2nd boss in skyrich do not do dmg when explode x_x
dim parrot
Any outlaws streaming rn
keen belfry
IMNOT
dim parrot
Hmm
undone notch
Is there any way to see when Unseen Blade is available to be used?
The default CD tracker only tracks the debuff
vivid vessel
no not really
but why do you need to track that
the way it works is that after killing spree your next 2 ss or pistol shot will proc unseen blade
and there is also one timed with 10s cd, but it can refresh at any moment on autos
mystic socket
should I be crafting the main hand and using an ascendant core on it for bis? or is arators still considered better even if i cant raid mythic?
craggy barn
should I be crafting the main hand and using an ascendant core on it for bis? or...
hero arators?
craft a weapon
crafted weapon with ascended core is 295, just straight better than ascending a hero weapon
mystic socket
yeahh thats what i was thinking. Thank you!
foggy needle
guys
Is outlaw now number one of the reason he midtier gsrbage rogue
sorry had to necro that phrase one last time while its maybe borderline funny to those who know
quaint mauve
dim parrot
Why would u assume he’s replying to u lol
mighty ferry
saying it right after advice
wintry solar
That interaction in its entirety was weird
lime lake
jolly geyser
foggy needle
different numbers!
quaint mauve
if i was in a better state id review
gaunt phoenix
I think you're skipping opportunity procs a bit
mighty ferry
Is that the biggest outlier? Appreciate it
dim parrot
also said "anyone bored wanna see"
Mb guess he was talking to u lmao
gaunt phoenix
dmg breakdown is normal so not going to be a whole lot of obvious stuff from log
mighty ferry
felt like my dispatch damage was kinda low but unsure
is this normal?
feel like obviously getting wasteds is naturally going to happen unsure if thats a normal amount though
mighty ferry
word
mighty ferry
yeah outside of the accidental oopsie at 5
gaunt phoenix
and prio bte (cant see cooldown of bte from log)
mighty ferry
appreciate it
strange kelp
as long as you spend at 6
I know the goal is 6-7 but how big of a dmg loss is spending on 5?
quaint mauve
I got my first check after my raise
i just finished my semester
wintry solar
Nice
sterile tusk
click apply after
it worked thanks, but is there a way to turn off the healer mana bar
livid sand
Just dropped mythic fist weapon on king sala… when replacing it with my spellbreaker should I still keep using kricks 289 off hand or should i get a crafted dagger with void hunt embelishment for an off?
I have a belt with arcano weave as second embelishment.. and could maybe use a crafted ring too?
cerulean portal
Just dropped mythic fist weapon on king sala… when replacing it with my spellbre...
u can
id do that
craggy barn
zac
wintry solar
Zomb
wintry solar
Just hit the trifecta (cloak, evasion, feint) and pop vial. Ggs
craggy barn
yea i didnt panic press anything cuz i didnt think id get hit
fair iron
where is your position WA bro
frozen elk
Got a question, is killing spree more of a filler/breather when we dont have luck on bte procs?
frozen elk
Mhm
I feel really inconsistent in terms of dmg
Kinda get lost the moment my bte doesnt proc
fair iron
don’t worry too much about your dps, the rotation is really all you need to think about
frozen elk
The first and after prep
fair iron
and that’s just reps
frozen elk
And noticed i start to dont know, panic a bit
Just came back after 1 year break
So dont panic and stick to the prio
Yes ?
Since i'm at work cant post any logs or anything, will run later some keys and log it and post here, maybe its not some awful mistake but some minor issue that can be fixed instantly
fair iron
yeah outlaw has the benefit/curse of being such a flat dps profile that a builder mistake (or cd a finisher late) isn’t actually punished that much per mistake
of course they add up, but just keep refining that spender/finisher logic and you’ll be totally fine
gaunt phoenix
you are kind of momentum based to maintain high stages of rtb
frozen elk
Yeah i noticed, finally they got rid of whatever was left after df rework with stealth style
gaunt phoenix
if you fall to stage 1 you do tank dmg for a bit
frozen elk
if you fall to stage 1 you do tank dmg for a bit
Yeah that exactly
gaunt phoenix
usually no, but you do with loaded dice and kir is ready
fair iron
pretty much what solo is saying, but downtime is exponentially more punishing than a single overcap/early finisher for example
gaunt phoenix
bad luck is not being able to kir stage 3/4 for a long time, bte luck is whatever
fair iron
i think he’d agree with that**
frozen elk
Well the feeling of old kir is still here 🤣
gaunt phoenix
u dont really blame luck unless you are zac and know you are playing perfectly
frozen elk
Wont argue with that, or even engage in discussion about it since i'm really behind with all the shaeningans
I need to keep in mind to use v
Blade rush before bte
Since that also might be an issue
rugged wigeon
Say I don’t get a reset on bte in the opener, do I keep building and spending until AR has expired to prep?
frozen elk
And blade rush -> builder?
gaunt phoenix
you prep for the bte and wait on AR
frozen elk
Or you build straight away to bte?
gaunt phoenix
you blade rush yes
frozen elk
K
rugged wigeon
you prep for the bte and wait on AR
So I spend the bte without the supercharged CP from my next ar?
frozen elk
Well you cant use ar anyway
gaunt phoenix
yes, you continue to bte
and then the next AR you just use even if bte isnt ready
but if bte is very close i will hold it
rugged wigeon
Ahh okay sweet ty
frozen elk
but if bte is very close i will hold it
By very close, could you give a number?
gaunt phoenix
you normally dont hold AR for bte but if AR is ahead of bte by 1 finisher it's fine
frozen elk
Ok
grim spear
prep should be redesigned. resetting bte is an interesting mechanic, it shouldn't be tied to resetting adr.
change fast action into a short cd reset for bte, and make prep give adr two charges instead.
frozen elk
I guess they sticked to what prep used to reset
grim spear
that bottom row of outlaw spec tree, man, it makes me frown more and more every single day
frozen elk
My only issue with current outlaw would be the viability of renaining branches of spec tree
grim spear
every day it reminds me: hey! the devs don't play your spec
frozen elk
They never did
I always Has a feeling that when IT came to rogue
Asa was the favourite child
But that's just me
But still we did get best looking hidden skin back on legion
A question just poped that i was supposed to Ask, I do have kow crit from what i noticed, between 30-32%
Haste is on 23 to 25% dont remeber that precise
How big of an impact will IT have on my dps ?
And for M+ im currently using prism as passive trink and didnt find anything that good so i stick with void contract for M+
grim spear
also i sincerely hope the devs would actually READ some classic game design articles, or at least you guys should add them as skills into your ai agent
frozen elk
Its a lot questions etc i know, and thanks for help anyway
grim spear
rtb rn is just
well
a textbook example of what a rookie designer gets wrong
grim spear
they should be grateful not many people play outlaw
oh
maybe that's intentional
so they can use outlaw changes to train their interns
frozen elk
Well back in the days
Combat saw much play
Following your train of thought, that might be it
river wing
Asa was the favourite child
naw
I don't think so
if anything, I don't think any spec was ever "the favourite child", you don't look to Rogue for that
river wing
warlock...maybe sometime back in the day like more than a decade ago, IDK
pally seems to be somewhat consistently favored overall, maybe
frozen elk
But kinda sad that asa sticks out so much
river wing
idk, I think it's mostly mage who's never really had it bad, ever
fair iron
old rtb had a lot more decision making based on q context
frozen elk
I just wish that rogue would bring something to party/raid
river wing
it's not even about tuning as such, IMO
it's mostly just
mage always has at least one spec that seems to play smooth as butter
and generally their class design is never bad, tuning might be (we're seeing Fire and Arcane in the dumps atm), but the design itself works
frozen elk
A passive BUFF sort of
Almost every if not every Claas brings something to the table that is considered usefull
From what i saw shroud is not used too often atm
Our stuns are old design
And rarely used in raid enviroment, situational
We could use some sort of utility, since dh stole our smokebomb
river wing
(and master poisoner too)
frozen elk
Ah yes
I kinda feel like athropic isn't that impactfull
It might be just me
But atm our Claas is kinda selfish
On pve atleast
river wing
it wouldn't be a problem if it was good at being selfish
ember rock
is there a "best" rogue spec when playing with an aug or does it not matter
frozen elk
it wouldn't be a problem if it was good at being selfish
Agree
Its the bad kind of being selfish
river wing
like if it was sort of like DK in terms of being self-reliant and able to handle mechs with minimal assistance, plus always tuned to have at least above-average damage
then it'd work
frozen elk
In pvp for example outlaw Has some funny buffs to party
Dont forget that dk can also brez
Im not a designer so i wont even try to think what i would implement
But i guess some kind of passive aura like BUFF wouldnt hurt and flip any table
wintry solar
In pvp for example outlaw Has some funny buffs to party
It used to be cooler
frozen elk
It used to be cooler
Yeah i remember
Still its sad they moved smoke bomb to pvp
And basicly gave almost same skill to dh
wintry solar
People would gripe anyway because they can't see the ground
And then it'll get nerfed
wintry solar
It was
frozen elk
Cata?
wintry solar
Didn't miss much unless you played sub
frozen elk
Cata and panda i didnt Play
I starter playing sub aroubd legion
Back then IT brought bad n
Memories
And avoided IT at all cost
I came back at the end of panda
But memory is foggy as hell
Ah yes now i remember
There was smoke in pandas
wintry solar
Regardless, SB should stay a pvp talent so they don't nuke it
frozen elk
Now its a core cd for sub
abstract frost
Does blizz's cdm rtb randomly disapear?
ornate heathBOT
How to use 
RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and 
Supercharger)
- Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
- Roll if you have 2 buffs and
Loaded Dice is active. - Roll once asap after pressing
KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border). - After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.
formal knot
yep, need the weakaura
frozen elk
Well lets thank any god we belive in
river wing
Im not a designer so i wont even try to think what i would implement
eh
if I were to spitball, no brakes, possibly somewhat unreasonable
- legit just tune survivability and defensive power way up, to be Pala/DK level - CloS CD down to 1 minute (DK already gets 40s AMS that acts as CloS anyway), Feint up to 50% (ST 30% with Elus) and down to 20 base energy cost, Deadened Nerves up to 10% DR, Featherfoot rolled into ImpSprint, node replaced with Combat Stamina
- utility-wise, Tricks made baseline, current talent replaced with trickster's 1h tricks, numbing buffed to 25% with MP, atro buffed to 5% with MP, shiv is baseline, talent node makes it hit all targets in 8m radius, Stillshroud now baseline, node instead allows Shroud to be used out of stealth and grants 15% DR to all affected allies for the duration
cinder relic
Feint to 50 
river wing
Feint to 50 <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
it used to be that way for a long time
cinder relic
Rogue used to be very broken for a long time 
river wing
idk wym by "broken"
frozen elk
That they didnt get the bright idea to bring back bandits guile
river wing
That they didnt get the bright idea to bring back bandits guile
yeah thankfully
frozen elk
Oh so its not only me
cerulean portal
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] [kick]
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [kick]
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack
is this good macro?
frozen elk
Reasonable changes
cerulean portal
i have problems with interrupts in m+
frozen elk
is this good macro?
Should be
cerulean portal
i tab to kick, very annoying
frozen elk
Its the Smart interrupt macro
formal knot
i've just been using this, and have the focus one set up separately
frozen elk
eh
if I were to spitball, no brakes, possibly somewhat unreasonable
1) legit jus...
That shroud change
Would actually be possible
To implement
cerulean portal
i've just been using this, and have the focus one set up separately <:garf_sit:1...
so u pre focus the target u want to kick?
formal knot
if i know there's an important kick yes, then the one i screenshot will just kick a caster without targeting it
cerulean portal
interrupts is the reason i never played dps :<
i prayed when they gave discipline silence in beta
and they took it back :>
frozen elk
i've just been using this, and have the focus one set up separately <:garf_sit:1...
Good one also
I tried with mouseover few exp back
formal knot
i have this bound on ctrl+q, so it always only triggers the mod:ctrl part (too lazy to change the macro), when i have a focus kick target
frozen elk
But when your tank doesnt give a shit bout you
formal knot
yeah i stopped doing mouseover kicks
frozen elk
IT gets messy
cerulean portal
ive heared ppl using and addon for interrupts but dunno how it works
very very confusing
frozen elk
Doesnt IT just create a macro like interaction ?
cerulean portal
Doesnt IT just create a macro like interaction ?
idk
cerulean portal
kekw
cerulean portal
ok now
frozen elk
I suggest name plate addkn
cerulean portal
the macro i linked doesnt work for a reason
frozen elk
With good profile
The one in FAQ here highlights important targets
And spells that need to be interrupted
Interrupting is one thing
But its about the important spells to be interrupted
Remember that you still have to turn if the target is behind you :p
cerulean portal
Remember that you still have to turn if the target is behind you :p
yeye i learned that
frozen elk
Meh, now i want to end work early
tepid galleon
why cancel KS mid cast
frozen elk
And test what i learned
cerulean portal
why cancel KS mid cast
bcz its dmg is trash
frozen elk
why cancel KS mid cast
To not get energy wasted
tepid galleon
ok
frozen elk
And hidden blade yeah
cerulean portal
that macro is sus
frozen elk
Btw they should give us back range on acrobatic
cerulean portal
Btw they should give us back range on acrobatic
pls
frozen elk
If anything its right with the Class fantasy
final pagoda
im cooking with this ui
river wing
Btw they should give us back range on acrobatic
damn I wish
ngl playing 4-5 melee in M+ is way more miserable than 2 melee/3 ranged
frozen elk
Exactly
Besides IT helped a lot with surv
I wonder what S2 will bring
But since they brought seat back
I dread to think if somone gets the bright idea to implement sd to m+ rotation
arctic merlin
im cooking with this ui
looks good, but why the crosshair
final pagoda
When there are thousands mechanics in a raid and you are surrounded by 19ppl, you need it to see if ur positioned correctly on the ground by moving the camera on top
jaunty notch
Does vanish break chains in seat ?
yes
edgy owl
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?
- You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
- Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
- You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.
edgy owl
Hi, what's the macro to make it so I don't need to click when I use the hook?
hollow temple
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] [kick]
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
...
this does work if its the one i'm thinking of
pretty sure you just need to take "kick" out of the [brackets] ?
hollow temple
i was talking to someone else :p
edgy owl
oh, nvm xD
hollow temple
Hi, what's the macro to make it so I don't need to click when I use the hook?
that would be [@mouseover]
edgy owl
tyty
compact olive
can outlaw get back last boss skyreach or ggs?
river wing
p sure Zac said "no" on that one
compact olive
gotcha
cerulean portal
pretty sure you just need to take "kick" out of the [brackets] ?
yes that was the problem xd
but a bit confusing how it works
hollow temple
it uses the game's newer tab targeting system from my understanding
the game now focuses on tabbing to the closest mob that is actively casting now
if you have a focus that is casting, it will kick the focus target's cast
proven ocean
the game now focuses on tabbing to the closest mob that is actively casting now
It always did
hollow temple
if you have no focus or your focus is not casting, it will swap to the next closest mob that is actively casting
hollow temple
It always did
not that i ever noticed
hollow temple
yeah but you probably cheated
proven ocean
U have to be in range tho
crystal granite
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
proven ocean
can't trust you about wow anymore ngl
Ur talking about an m+ feature that existed for years
U dont do m+
Cant tell if ur ragebaiting or u really didnt know
unkempt dew
!preRoss
unkempt dew
does every boss drop a voidshard in a mythic 10+ dungeon?
hardy wigeon
One shard per run
unkempt dew
Oh hmm
hardy thicket
Haha the "oh hmm FUCK thats a lot of m+"
unkempt dew
Haha yes
formal knot
do bountiful t11 delves daily
formal knot
don't have to do it long either, just a few times, then maybe nightmare prey for the 2 really quick ones
and a heroic rush raid to finish it off
hardy thicket
Ye do the t11s every day to help. Im almost done farming 40 shards on my main (2 diff gearsets for specs) and I did HC clear+nightmare prey weekly and capped off with m+
Just 20 to go on my rogue this weekend kek
But can do HC clear + weekly + T11 Bountiful there and be halfway done anyways
formal knot
i farmed one CORE on reset day through rituals, before the hotfix, that was horrible 
unkempt dew
Every HC raid boss drops one right?
hardy thicket
Ye I managed like 4 runs before hotfix came for a total of 0 shards
Yeah every HC drops
You can do 7/7 Voidspire, 1/1 Dreamrift and at least 1/2 Midnight falls for 9 pretty easily
Iuno how Lura is to pug in HC never tried
opal badger
hexed whale
Probably a faq but i couldnt find something related. Is there a way to remove the cloud? I cant see stuff under me
cerulean portal
Probably a faq but i couldnt find something related. Is there a way to remove th...
the cloud is the reason i play fb
its so fked
hexed whale
understandable 😄
on the one hand it kinda looks cool, but on the other i am dying to shit cause not seeing stuff
cerulean portal
man i ruined so many keys bcz of that
frozen elk
Probably a faq but i couldnt find something related. Is there a way to remove th...
Sadly not even turning down grapchics or spell density works
Positioning is on your side
But if your CPU and GPU can handle it
quiet root
Sadly not even turning down grapchics or spell density works
doesn't it? i could have sworn turning down particle density works to some extent
radiant wyvern
priests invalidated my parse on salhadaar last night with too many pi's, and I got shit rolls and barely any bte resets so my damage was ass anyways, so now i just look like a little chud
frozen elk
doesn't it? i could have sworn turning down particle density works to some exten...
It just makes it look weird
And i could have swear its 2d
hardy thicket
Nah it makes it a lot less visable
So you can actually see stuff
At least for me
frozen elk
Maybe i didnt lower IT enough or
frozen elk
I have overwriting setting dron raid/pvp
hardy thicket
The downside is it fucks with everything else also not being very visable
frozen elk
Dobt know since i dont remember 😂
hardy thicket
So thats kinda yikes
frozen elk
Ah so on general not worth it
Well my suggestion kinda helps since shit on ground gets flashy
hardy thicket
Iuno I play with it on rogue cuz I cant have my feet clouded as melee. But if im on another toon I set it back
frozen elk
But every other crap also
Wow is badly optimized
They should at least do the same thing like with reforged
hardy thicket
I havent really died to not seeing something important yet but ive noticed that like frontals and even stuff like link from shaman is kinda hard to see
hardy thicket
Thats about it
cerulean portal
and spam @ zac yes
frozen elk
You dont watch actually the mob, since we dont fight front to the enemy
But we do have to keep an eye on tanks
I died many times to last second turn from tank
hardy thicket
Nexus Point 
hardy thicket
When tank drags dreadfail facing group. Insta gg
frozen elk
Is IT just me or do they have really small hitboxes
hardy thicket
Yeah iuno. Always danger zone on 2nd boss when adds spawn and intermission is about to happen
river wing
Haha the "oh hmm FUCK thats a lot of m+"
nah not really
you need 20 and T11 bountifuls also drop a shard, so you can be done in as little as 3 days just by doing your T11s and your vault
hardy thicket
nah not really
you need 20 and T11 bountifuls also drop a shard, so you can be d...
You shoulda kept reading brother
river wing
what? no, who does that
surely waking up and inserting yourself into the discussion that happened an hour ago without reading through the entirety of it
is what everyone does
cerulean portal
gaunt phoenix
i read that as foreigners
restive pulsar
What is the addon to auto cast tricks on tanks called?
inland acorn
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
restive pulsar
thank you
inland acorn
bump
idk about 1st question, could help if you specify dungeon ?
as for 2nd, you want to avoid using KS with superchargerd cps like plague
wind pond
npx sry
wind pond
some tanks insist on going left and not doing the first room pull
inland acorn
kinda sus idk
so they go left, and drag 2 guards into the
corridor for bigger pull
ye ?
in that case I think its fine if you chill and wait with adr and stuff, but that's just my opinion
Because otherwise your first adrenaline will run out before tank gathers full pull
Which seems like kinda waste on 2 mobs
inland acorn
ye, i would probably hold lil bit for pull to gather
Also i don't think supercharged KS is bugged ? It's just KS on higher cps --> longer KS
wind pond
thought it was something about supercharging it doesn't increase the duration
idk where I read it in here
or if I made it up
inland acorn
I didn't hear anything about it Also there is no offical rule to avoid supercharging KS, but most people just avoid it, because it just feels bad, waiting for the channel
And if you follow holding bte for ADR rule (if ADR is ~30s away), you usually consume them on bte
hardy thicket
This would be the first charges you accumlated during prekey yes?
Or is that shit not even a thing anymore.
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
hardy thicket
Ye ik just making sure sc dont reset once timer drops
inland acorn
It does reset to 2
hardy thicket
Bubble drops rather
inland acorn
if you go above
hardy thicket
Ye
So you can go into it with 2 then
AR KS Prep AR again
Should give u 2 charges going into it?
inland acorn
It should ye
Solo might've forgot to update prekey to add Prep AR
But it's also 1 sc so, not that big of a deal
hardy thicket
I usually natty send one KS while tank gathers on most first pulls
Not sure if its better to just dispatch
inland acorn
Idk, but I doubt it matters in grand scheme of things
hardy thicket
Reasoning is I might as well KS while he gathers cuz im not gonna press KS before prep anyways once you get opener sequence going
Ye agree
inland acorn
As long as you don't put BtE on cd, because that would be tragic
And don't waste tea 
hardy thicket
Nah I typically just roll, BF, build to 5+ CPs, KS. Then I slam AR BR BTE into prep when BtE goes on CD/if BR is on CD.
lucid sparrow
wowhead just spam posting slop lately
inland acorn
because there's nothing news worthy happening
lucid sparrow
any cool items from the sporefall boss?
frozen elk
they have to post something to get the views
paper grove
I gotta say, for a class with the least amount of players, this discord is much more knowledgeable than other classes discords. Yall actually update the guides regularly
inland acorn
Other classes might have more players, but we have solo 
fickle stirrup
ye i played every class and spec of the game and no class discord comes close to rogues
bright cedar
Nah I typically just roll, BF, build to 5+ CPs, KS. Then I slam AR BR BTE into p...
KS into AR is overcapping combo points no? do we not care?
i have a really hard time following prio list without overcapping before AR
inland acorn
Also Whispyr, Fuu and other TCers, guide writers are goated too
paper grove
Yeah its very nice. Pretty much helped me turn my main into a rogue now lol
mighty pivot
They made an article to tell people how to dodge the small puddles
slow news day week
quiet root
i have a really hard time following prio list without overcapping before AR
i usually send dispatch to dump combo points before AR -> BTE if i get myself into a situation like that
not sure if that's correct
tepid galleon
If you get bte proc do you keep spamming it
inland acorn
If you get bte proc do you keep spamming it
build to 6+
quiet root
Bro I’m watching my bars the entire time playing outlaw
i only play outlaw so to me that's just what wow is like 🙂
tepid galleon
I guess I need to get a better ui
quiet root
i use zac's, though installing it was slightly difficult at least when i did it at start of midnight
inland acorn
It's not that difficult, just annoying mostly. Esepcially if your wowup doesn't take SUF and m33k from link
tepid galleon
I’ll look into it later I guess
quiet root
It's not that difficult, just annoying mostly. Esepcially if your wowup doesn't ...
yeah my problem was my UI resolution kept getting messed up when using his profile for some part of the UI (i think SUF)
lucid sparrow
I gotta say, for a class with the least amount of players, this discord is much ...
the passionate few, we have goated figures and guide makers
cerulean portal
@inland acorn yo yes or no
inland acorn
yeah my problem was my UI resolution kept getting messed up when using his profi...
He does have in doc note about resolution if you're on 1440p
inland acorn
<@169139235687890944> yo yes or no
idk, depends what you're gonna send
tepid galleon
That’s the first thing it said on the doc
quiet root
He does have in doc note about resolution if you're on 1440p
yeah i did what i think the note said and it still kept happening
inland acorn
cerulean portal
i think we look a like with wowtoxic
inland acorn
yeah i did what i think the note said and it still kept happening
I didn't mess with UI scale, so idk
Looked fine for my 1440p
quiet root
yeah iirc the note said to manually set UI scale to a specific number
but it seemed like the SUF profile kept overriding it or something
oh well i don't need the SUF part that much anyway, i just wanted his resource/cd "weakaura" back
inland acorn
wait i just realized, why suf wasnt working on my wowup, damn I'm dumb 
quiet root
outlaw spawns ruined regardless of who plays it
also DK wins regardless of who plays it, too
blizz seems to really love DK nowadays
tepid galleon
What is suf
agile orchid
but I doubt it
quiet root
yeah devourer is the new cool shiny thing though, they have to make it OP in its debut season right
that's how things work in gaming i guess
agile orchid
well they need to make DKs op so they don't cry when they sit of the bench
because no raid buff
quiet root
that's pretty true
tepid galleon
Dk will always be op
inland acorn
What is suf
Shadowed Unit Frames
inland acorn
it's no longer updated on curseforge, so you have to get it from github / use wowup with install from url option
cerulean portal
@inland acorn 
tepid galleon
What is wowup lmao
ashen vortex
Hey, can someone check my logs and try to help me what I'm doing wrong ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6Ch8qp3jzkQT1rBF?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4
inland acorn
What is wowup lmao
addon updater, like curseforge
fair topaz
is there an addon that shows certain debuffs in another Position than the cdm position? I don't want to move the cdm because I don't want to see stuff like bloodlust cd as a big icon
inland acorn
CDM doesn't controll debuffs
inland acorn
Addons that interact with unitFrames are usually the ones who have some debuff options
stable crow
Hey, I've been thinking what's better now, I got a myth wep from vault but with really shitty off stats (vers - mastery) or a crafted weapon with (crit - haste) or just throw this out the window and go for weapon dmg?
inland acorn
Just sim it
gaunt phoenix
for me 295 crafted is slightly ahead of 298 vers/mastery seat weapon
cerulean portal
for me 295 crafted is slightly ahead of 298 vers/mastery seat weapon
how
is it bcz of the embelishment?
tepid galleon
Just roll for npx weapon
sly oasis
are crucible trinket sims overtuned ? How is 263 outsiming 285 trinkets
inland acorn
it's strong trinket
gaunt phoenix
it is well budgeted but gaze/plume/prism/ranger should still beat it
sly oasis
i see, ty
it doesnt matter whether i get radiant plume or umbral plume right? They are essentially the same
inland acorn
yes, you can toggle switch between them
tight kernel
yo can i macro crown trinket to bte or somethin?
gaunt phoenix
you can
tight kernel
should I not tho?
gaunt phoenix
but then you will needlessly delay it a bit
tight kernel
ah
gaunt phoenix
and maybe some dmg amp you could hold it
gusty pagoda
Can I use 2 ascendant shards on the same item? So using a shard to turn a 6/6 hero item into a 6/6 mythic item and then using another one to make the item 298?
inland acorn
I don't think so
violet osprey
Can I use 2 ascendant shards on the same item? So using a shard to turn a 6/6 he...
no
that would be kinda broken ngl
gusty pagoda
Yeah too good to be true
tepid galleon
He tryna get a free mythic plume
gusty pagoda
You win lfr rolls? I usually lose them to people at 289 ilvl
jolly geyser
I wanted to do that to my hc gaze but then I got mythic the same day,good shit
gusty pagoda
You can get unlimited shards tho right?
jolly geyser
yee
spring cloak
the atal'aman delves are the most free shard you can get, at least the one that makes you free the bears from cages requires no mob kills so you can literally stealth unlock all 7 cages and go right into the boss
inland acorn
the atal'aman delves are the most free shard you can get, at least the one that ...
opening cages now breaks stealth, but you still can skip like 99% of delve
spring cloak
oh yeah sorry i didnt mean you can stay stealthed but theyre all guarded by 1 mob you can sap so
inland acorn
gusty pagoda
Does the shard drop from bountiful coffer or can you just keep spamming the same 11 over and get a guaranteed shard from each one?
inland acorn
bountiful
spring cloak
bountiful chest only
gusty pagoda
So I guess spamming +10 skyreach would be the best repeatable farm then for a guaranteed drop rate
inland acorn
+10s and HC/myth raid clear, fill vault and get shards at the same time
lucid sparrow
hoping the third set of hero talents leans more into outlaws style
inland acorn
??
agile orchid
you're lucky if they're going to keep the current hero talents
I bet they will remove them at some point in the future
jolly geyser
paper grove
Lemme get a blunderbuss for BTE
jolly geyser
remove and then add back later as new talent
lucid sparrow
i mean if they remove trickster and add something even cooler
im all for
but removing hero talents all together?
not happening
keen belfry
trickster would be fine to play if we had 6cps, or if ps/ss generated +1cp
imo the biggest issues are outside of hero trees atm, and hero trees only make them worse
jolly geyser
the ape sex talents gone prolly after last titan
frail veldt
hoping the third set of hero talents leans more into outlaws style
Wym 3rd set
Is that a thing?
keen belfry
our apex can be a banger if they do some small tweaks to it tho IMO