Ill never see myth track eye of midnight so lmao
#outlaw
red grove
sacred crater
Thanks! Makes sense.
would that make dispatch always the play and u never press AR/BTE 
vivid vessel
Ill never see myth track eye of midnight so lmao
ye
but if you are killing lura
these items are legit free
cause there is 3 items in the loot pool
so its free rolls
and both ring and helm are "bis"
summer goblet
Hi - new aspiring rogue. still only lvl 68 but climbing fast. It feels like i am 70% of the way there with my rotation. i still run out of energy a lot. I'm trying to follow the rotation listed in the faq. Is there an addon that tracks my rotation so i can review any errors?
Also in the case of using combo points for slice and dice off the bat - I notice that even without hitting that combo spender i have slice and dice active passively. is there truly any need to ever hit slice and dice?
inland acorn
Hi - new aspiring rogue. still only lvl 68 but climbing fast. It feels like i am...
No addon afaik
Energy sucks till max level and you have +20% haste
gaunt phoenix
not having energy is normal until endgame
slice and dice is casted by Dispatch
you dont SnD if it is already active
vivid vessel
and then you still have no energy
gaunt phoenix
you SnD immediately because it does not consume supercharger
you want to supercharge bte
gaunt phoenix
yea yea energy sucks always
summer goblet
Thanks!
inland acorn
twilit axle
Who is gonna tell em that even at end game your energy sucks too 
vivid vessel
i was doing less damage than in st btw @gaunt phoenix
was thinking if it was even worth to press bf at this point
gaunt phoenix
i kinda wanted to help the guy without the ACTUALLY ENERGY BAD interjection
mighty pivot
45 energy bf 
keen belfry
45 energy bf <:MAAAN:1093990874196746330>
imagine the qol if they just remove the +30 from deft
inland acorn
imagine the qol if they just remove the +30 from deft
if they just remove stupid tax*
mighty pivot
zac post and guy tweet = 100% success rate right?
inland acorn
true
mighty pivot
sc is also taxed when your apex1 procs
vivid vessel
inland acorn
also true 
mighty pivot
you'd think the literal criminal spec would pay less taxes not more
inland acorn
at least they removed/fixed cloud tax
tight kernel
I say we go back to Combat rogue
inland acorn
oh hell no
tight kernel
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
glass mortar
I say we go back to Combat rogue
what do u think blizzard is trying to do by cutting back our apm and nerfing our energy
glass mortar
cut apm by another ~20% and energy by another 15% and we are almost combat again
👏
AR 5 m cd 🤤
tight kernel
what else
inland acorn
remove grappling hook
mighty pivot
riposte that is only castable on parry
mighty pivot
hit would unironically help a bit with energy
fury has a talent to not miss autos while enraged
tight kernel
who remembers hitting evasion and getting absolutely demolished by warriors in pvp
tight kernel
Yea
cerulean portal
who remembers hitting evasion and getting absolutely demolished by warriors in p...
wotlk gameplay
tight kernel
they nerfed outlaw?
We got the big nerf back in 2020 when we got target cap bf
inland acorn
mighty pivot
nerf so big zac is playing without apex now...
proven ocean
If outlaw was nerfed chat wont be 1 msg every 5 seconds
Opposite
5 msgs 1 second
If nerf
!!
tight kernel
!!
cerulean portal
https://tenor.com/view/dog-omw-otw-on-my-way-on-the-way-gif-18399168
thats a dog
cerulean portal
vivid vessel
guys is outlaw back
proven ocean
tight kernel
!! bis
brisk meadow
my outlaw
mighty pivot
guidon diff
vivid vessel
ye its guidon
tight kernel
fuck prism go guidon
vivid vessel
no but its the new gear tho 
tight kernel
tight kernel
cerulean portal
hope you get it !
ofc not
proven ocean
ill beat u
Ngl even if u played better u wont do higher dps
Because i know u dont have the tank for it
cerulean portal
i use dispatch with 1 combo point sometimes what r u talking about
tight kernel
monksea is built diff
proven ocean
First time i see ur name ur probably new to rogue
So
U dont have big names to play with
lavish timber
this is right? ring haste-vers?
lavish timber
ty
tight kernel
!! wtf guy
cerulean portal
who made that guide
vivid vessel
a ret main
brisk meadow
tight kernel
where guy at these days
cerulean portal
su
tight kernel
my fav thing is between icey veins, wowhead and rogue faq nothing really matches
we trust solo tho
lapis meadow
Google Gemini says 25% haste and 40% crit for "crack shot windows" 
tight kernel
rip
random stirrup
Google Gemini says 25% haste and 40% crit for "crack shot windows" <:kekw:943437...
gemini just living in a better time
tight kernel
try grok
keen belfry
i miss crackshot
cerulean portal
Google Gemini says 25% haste and 40% crit for "crack shot windows" <:kekw:943437...
bte 4x crit?
lapis meadow
Petition: new outlaw rogue mastery "increase all pirate based damage by x%" 
cerulean portal
Petition: new outlaw rogue mastery "increase all pirate based damage by x%" <:Pi...
then we have 0 energy
lapis meadow
"pirate based attacks increase energy gain by 2% per combo point"
Give me my money blizzard
lavish timber
what off hand i need upgrade @vivid vessel
cerulean portal
why u play that trinket man x)
lavish timber
why u play that trinket man x)
vivid vessel
what off hand i need upgrade <@352916297262301194>
no clue, sim it
are you not playing only one embel rn
sounds troll
bronze badge
This trinket is really good than prism ?
cerulean portal
its good when ur tanks does 5 pulls in a dungeon
bronze badge
Zac play this in raid too
dull geyser
why ppl playing guidon plz teach me
cerulean portal
@vivid vessel
mighty pivot
yeah @vivid vessel why not use a better trinket 
house of cards sucks
cerulean portal
vivid vessel
guys why is zac using house of cards !@
worldly zephyr
These bums on reddit patronizing me and saying that if energy is an issue then I’m not playing outlaw right lol
dull geyser
i quit
vivid vessel
i mean
it was the same in tww with house of cards
idk why people dont understand
that you cant just have bis gear
instantly
and you just play with what you have
mighty pivot
how come they aren't asking about your trash helmet though
cerulean portal
this is how all president start their career
vivid vessel
how come they aren't asking about your trash helmet though
idk trinkets are different
vivid vessel
people assume bis lfr trinket > everything else
for whatever reason
thats not how wow works
mighty pivot
it's the same with stats on items too tbh
glass mortar
zac... whatever gear u have at the moment is bis zac......
tell me how to farm all ur gears.......
livid pewter
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mighty pivot
they think good stat combo is better than extra raw stats
glass mortar
w0w
vivid vessel
wox played more than us after reset so they got r1 back
mighty pivot
they should ask wox the true outlaw goat anyway
vivid vessel
im washed up guys sorry
vivid vessel
i get r1 back tonight dw
bronze badge
i have prism and crown trinket
Trinket crown 🫠
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/paEsU63ru6hnmTpcmwd4Ap
i mean bro you are at 19% haste
bronze badge
I'm not saying this because of the name, I just hate this
lavish timber
i try my best :´v
tight kernel
yall missing real tech
tame zealot
i have to choose between solarflare prism and heart of wind in my vault and they sim similarly, is one considered to be better than the other in general (for later when my gear is better) or not?
tight kernel
u need haste?
or u need crit ?
can u get haste else where? Have you sim with recrafts? have you sim with haste pot? diff gear combos?
i mean its nto black and white
mighty pivot
i try my best :´v
why are you simming crit flask if you are at 19% haste
bronze badge
Prism always
livid pewter
i have to choose between solarflare prism and heart of wind in my vault and they...
just get prism if its mythic track
cerulean portal
just @ zac
im dead hahhaa
tame zealot
ok thanks so i should prio prism and fix my haste elsewhere cause that's the reason they're currently comparable
thanks a lot
bronze badge
Get hast with gear is hard but possibl its my stat unbuff i use flask crit
mighty pivot
so much hate
bronze badge
I like 25
mighty pivot
cerulean portal
is that greek
tight kernel
if the world ran with 25% hate i think it would be a better place
bronze badge
I try 24 23 22 , i like 25
random stirrup
is that greek
french
cerulean portal
sorry french taco*
french and taco bruh
mighty pivot
no way zac is skinny
cerulean portal
no way zac is skinny
i know right
tight kernel
look up a french taco
frail veldt
no way zac is skinny
I think he's one of those "forgets to eat" type gamers
cerulean portal
look up a french taco
u mean baguette?
vivid vessel
no way zac is skinny
i am relatively skinny yes
i do forget to eat
i eat once a day
tight kernel
no french taco legit
frail veldt
See
tight kernel
looks good
frail veldt
Boom
vivid vessel
but i eat a lot
tight kernel
zac taught me
vivid vessel
when i do my meal
glass mortar
eatings overrated anyway
frail veldt
Giant meal
glass mortar
its summer body time
bronze badge
Do you eat french tacos <@244085080140677120>
No only baguette and fromage
vivid vessel
im very lazy and i dont like to eat much
frail veldt
Then stays up for 20 hours
cerulean portal
when i do my meal
ofc u do. 196cm magod
tight kernel
No only baguette and fromage
kinda bis meal
mighty pivot
I think he's one of those "forgets to eat" type gamers
tbh that doesn't matter if he eats 4k calories in one sitting, but given that he eats pasta with ketchup I doubt he reaches that high calorie intake
vivid vessel
ofc u do. 196cm magod
i never said 196 no ?
i said 190
well i said
im between 185 and 195
frail veldt
tbh that doesn't matter if he eats 4k calories in one sitting, but given that he...
He ain't eating that much at once
vivid vessel
idk the exact number
glass mortar
zac gets higher everytime height is asked...
hes.... scaling......
someone stop him..
frail veldt
4k in one meal would be insane
mighty pivot
between 185 and 195 depending on rtb roll
frail veldt
Would have to be like hella oil and butter or something
glass mortar
i mean back in college and out of college i could knock out 2.5k-3k calories easily in a meal if i hadnt eaten (or had worked out)
vivid vessel
how much is 4k
glass mortar
but 4k is alot yea
mighty pivot
4k is a lot of borgirs and fries and maybe nuts too
frail veldt
A large pizza is like 2k ish
cerulean portal
4k is a lot
glass mortar
because the average intake for a normal person is 2k calories
frail veldt
how do you know
Read the nutrient facts
cerulean portal
i barely eat 1.2
vivid vessel
how much is a french tacos
glass mortar
french taco
vivid vessel
no
glass mortar
probably around 900-1100 if i had to ballpark
vivid vessel
tacos
tight kernel
4k is like 4-6 french taco @vivid vessel
glass mortar
just based on ingrediants and size uve shown
tight kernel
can you eat 4-6 french taco in 1 sitting
frail veldt
Oh but idk French tacos
vivid vessel
guys
glass mortar
ok but french tacos are basically a burger with mayo and lots of cheese
vivid vessel
french tacos
glass mortar
and fries lol
glass mortar
i dont think its 700
tight kernel
yeah taco
cerulean portal
glass mortar
im comparing it to burgers of similar meal size and id say its probably close to 1k for full french taco?
but itll change alot depending on what u get in it prob
frail veldt
Nah
tight kernel
yeah so like 4-6 french taco
tight kernel
zac you gussling tacos mate?
vivid vessel
im comparing it to burgers of similar meal size and id say its probably close to...
idk a french tacos is like 3 burgers from macdonald honestly
in term of quantity
vapid sundial
macdonald
cerulean portal
so zac eats french tacos only
vivid vessel
frail veldt
idk a french tacos is like 3 burgers from macdonald honestly
A McDonald's quarter pounder is like 500 calories
glass mortar
fast food burgers tend to be smaller
cerulean portal
WE ALL WILL EAT FRENCH TACOS NOW
glass mortar
thats why they r cheaper
vapid sundial
mcdonalds burgers are not 1k calories
?
cerulean portal
to get better numbers
glass mortar
i was thinking a real burger
cerulean portal
and the trinket ofc
frail veldt
A small burger is like 300
glass mortar
oh u can get a 1k calorie burger from mcdonalds
its not gunna be the standard thing people eat tho
frail veldt
Nah
glass mortar
its gunna be like a triple or something
tight kernel
yo a burger sounds fire now
frail veldt
A 1k burger
tight kernel
but liek from smashburger
frail veldt
Would need 4 buns haha
glass mortar
with fries and a drink
frail veldt
And like quadruple cheese
frail veldt
Yeah see
glass mortar
less then u think mewo
frail veldt
Only 740
glass mortar
right
frail veldt
And that's HUGE
glass mortar
so a triple patty would be like 1k
vivid vessel
picture looks big
and then you get it
its like 3 centimeters high
crazy shit bro
cerulean portal
eating burgers and calculating kcal bruh
tight kernel
ground "meat"*
tight kernel
allegedly ground meat
frail veldt
ground "meat"*
I specifically chose meat and not beef haha
formal knot
i ate that, it tasted so basic
frail veldt
Show pic lol
formal knot
finnish hamburger chain clears mcdonalds so hard
frail veldt
Gotta see how absurd it is
vapid sundial
cerulean portal
wheres the guy yelling "NO OFFTOP HERE"
tight kernel
bro ngl Korea mcdonalds
frail veldt
The sauce is what adds the calories
tight kernel
went hard
frail veldt
Probably mayo based
tight kernel
but BK was so much better in Korea
cerulean portal
Probably mayo based
u eat mayo with that body?
formal knot
a burger without sauces is no burger at all 
frail veldt
u eat mayo with that body?
Hell yeah bby
cerulean portal
Hell yeah bby
waaat
vapid sundial
a burger without sauces is no burger at all <:BASED:895698828580233228>
Need atleast that ketchup and mayo combination
frfr
frail veldt
I eat like 3k a day
cerulean portal
Need atleast that ketchup and mayo combination
that is so not french
vapid sundial
I eat like 3k a day
whats the most youve eaten in a day
frail veldt
Ketchup and mayo goes hard
tight kernel
is that a good title @glass mortar ?
vivid vessel
so idk say 2k max
frail veldt
whats the most youve eaten in a day
When I was swimming I would easily do 4-5k
glass mortar
2k is the standard but it depends on ur metabolism and activity level
frail veldt
Dinner was a full 2k calorie pizza usually
glass mortar
you do more stuff you burn more
tight kernel
if playin wow is your only form of exercise I'd say 1 french taco a day is plenty
glass mortar
ive had days i did no stuff because i was nolifing wow and ate like ~1k calories and wasnt hungry
vivid vessel
26, 190cm, never standing average human
rugged wigeon
In the opener do I only prep when my current adrenaline rush has expired, like if I prep and ar again does the timer stack or overwrite ?
cerulean portal
and how much should a human eat
man u dont need that. u r too tall for the normal calculations
glass mortar
height and weight mean your basic metabolic burn rate would be higher then 2k
but inactivity will slow your metabolism down
cerulean portal
u should eat 2x of that
glass mortar
theres websites to help you find this unironically if u wanna look
i cant feelcraft it tho
lean shadow
so is it not worth the slam grand melee in most raid fights for adds or nah
vivid vessel
feelcraft it bro
frail veldt
Yeah being active and walking a lot or just moving around in general can up your calorie consumption a ton
vivid vessel
there aint no sims for how many tacos i should be eating every day
vapid sundial
Yeah being active and walking a lot or just moving around in general can up your...
what if i goon a lot
frail veldt
what if i goon a lot
That prob counts
cerulean portal
what yall saying i got mad omg
eat 1 french tacos a day
and eat something else
tight kernel
there aint no sims for how many tacos i should be eating every day
there is
frail veldt
10k steps is an extra like 500 calories burned
vapid sundial
nu uh
glass mortar
1 french tacos 1 microwave pastas daily
vapid sundial
gotta american it
vapid sundial
10 12 oz cans of coke a day with 5 frozen meals
cerulean portal
zac do not listen to them. they want u to die
vivid vessel
im still relatively skinny
cerulean portal
dont eat that much tacos
vapid sundial
well he's french so
vivid vessel
but i used to be legit stickman
vapid sundial
(pls i love u zac)
glass mortar
if ur undereating but ur also not working out at all and not losing weight ur fine tho
the only thing to be concerned about in that case is getting ur proper nutrients
harder to get when ur eating less
tight kernel
zac what size keyboard u have
glass mortar
just take some vitamens tho
vivid vessel
i dont think im undereating tho
tight kernel
i feel like u got reach
vivid vessel
no sun
glass mortar
ye if ur not losing weight ur probably not
vivid vessel
sun is overrated
vivid vessel
zac what size keyboard u have
60%, i actually can barely reach keys like tgb
tight kernel
everytime u die in key, 10 squats
glass mortar
actually its micros, macros r like protein/carbs/fats right
dull geyser
yo zac at what key lvl do you think your rolls play into the key getting times or not
dull geyser
timed*
vivid vessel
yo zac at what key lvl do you think your rolls play into the key getting times o...
idk
hidden sky
Feel like i need to play some kind of tank trinket on 19 skyreach last boss holy
cerulean portal
yo zac at what key lvl do you think your rolls play into the key getting times o...
offtop
vivid vessel
Feel like i need to play some kind of tank trinket on 19 skyreach last boss holy
i know right
vapid sundial
Okay but how many calories do you guys think I burn flaming my supports in league
vivid vessel
Feel like i need to play some kind of tank trinket on 19 skyreach last boss holy
do you play with a resto shaman
they cant heal when in bird also
like they cant place totems
omegalul
what i do tho
is like
vapid sundial
is this guy okay
vivid vessel
i try to vial + feint as much as possible
gotta vial on cd
its your best defensive
tight kernel
oh anyone got a sheet of what mechs we can evasion
cerulean portal
oh anyone got a sheet of what mechs we can evasion
id like to know that too
vivid vessel
we cant evasion shit bro
cerulean portal
@vivid vessel
vivid vessel
just shoots this season
tight kernel
prob but idk i need a command for commands
vapid sundial
@sacred rune
vivid vessel
legit nothing
tight kernel
skyreach u can evasion a few things no?
ornate heathBOT
Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?
- You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
- Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
- You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.
tight kernel
wtf is this shit old af
cerulean portal
!zac
vivid vessel
you can evasion the foragers in academy
earnest sphinx
legit nothing
Pit 2nd boss!
vivid vessel
its actually quite good
cerulean portal
see works
vivid vessel
cause these jumps on overlap
sacred rune
<@194804407706189824>
!command for what?
vivid vessel
can be very bad
hidden sky
do you play with a resto shaman
Yes, that explains a lot
sacred rune
!def
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <
vapid sundial
oh thats what it is
cerulean portal
sacred rune
lol
vapid sundial
ty fuu
vivid vessel
oh and the leaps in pit also
sacred rune
so 
does this mean zac is an ai
vivid vessel
but like thats the same idea
vivid vessel
the leaper guys like these
you can always evasion
and its very good in some cases
sacred rune
evasion is bis on the 2nd to last boss in pit
vivid vessel
true
fixate
op
but ye oterhewise its just
all the shoots etc
but its kinda obvious i think
all the physical shoots/spears and shit
that are targetted
sacred rune
skyreach, if you get targeted by birds before 3rd boss
cerulean portal
what about cos
vivid vessel
idk cos is also useless
vivid vessel
Yes, that explains a lot
i keep cloak for when my healer is in bird, and we try to nuke bird if its on healer
bt otherwise yes
try to press vial feint as often as possible
if you get good rng you can legit vial a lot of them
and with vial feint you cant die
very safe
sacred rune
theres some abilities u think u can dodge but u cant
i had a severe case of "there are some stairs you think you can walk on, but can't" when doing ritual sites yesterday
hidden sky
try to press vial feint as often as possible
Nice one ty
dire idol
!log
quaint mauve
skyreach, if you get targeted by birds before 3rd boss
i just meld 🥹
it’s someone else’s problem
frail veldt
Same
sacred rune
lol
strange kelp
skyreach, if you get targeted by birds before 3rd boss
Doesn't blind also just cancel it like aoe stun?
cerulean portal
Doesn't blind also just cancel it like aoe stun?
no
mighty pivot
it stops the cast but they recast
tacit dome
during bte glowy thing, do we fit in another generator if it only procs to 5 combos?
tight kernel
yeyeye build build build !! pew pew
cedar kernel
tight kernel
Craft engi helm OP
sonic charm
heyyy, quick question is there a higher chance to refresh my current roll buff when pressing roll of the bones?
cuz it awfully seems like that if I don't let the buff drop it gets extended
keen belfry
what ifhes playing in df s3 tho?
mighty pivot
unleeeess
sonic charm
ah wahetver i thought I was a genius for figuring that out
turns out it was all in my head
outer meteor
gl in tehre <@240241824155828224>
im sure this is gonna go great
dont think tank ever played with phys comp
W
keen belfry
gwoz go boom
radiant wyvern
prep
worthy ice
that wasnt helpful
glass mortar
r u playing fatebound
prep is pretty big for trickster
i dont think its generally considered in the "Swappable" talents but i believe the alternative would be acro?
maybe im not remembering the ST alternative tho
worthy ice
i see
ancient cobalt
dude i got sent a mythic boe in the mail by blizzard
i thought they dont do that
so sick
vivid vessel
very nice of them
ancient cobalt
yes i sold it with discount to my buddy but im up now
i almost hit gold cap i started this xpansion with 600k
keen belfry
what kinds
outer meteor
lots of chain overlaps
i expected the dk to go out during chains
he did not
all g tho
austere cliff
I tried WoWAnalyzer to analyze my outlaw logs but outlaw is not supported, there are any other tool to help me analyze my logs?
gaunt phoenix
not really
if you type !log in here it opens a log review thread, but it is a volunteer effort if someone wants to review it
austere cliff
I understand, thank you 🙂
dusty magnet
Question for the outlaw key boyos.
If y'all have downtime do y'all ever blade flurry before getting to a pack if you have prep up or adrenaline rush up?
odd flax
pistol shot normally puts me at 5 CP so do i SS once to get to 6 or 7 CP then use a spender on Trickster
odd flax
okay 👍
gaunt phoenix
Question for the outlaw key boyos.
If y'all have downtime do y'all ever blade f...
Deft damage is pretty good so i'd guess it's not worth
though probably doesnt matter a whole lot
austere cliff
And if I have 6 CP and killing spree up and Between the Eyes down? Should I Dispatch or Killing Spree?
gaunt phoenix
you ks
shell fossil
hey if you drop combat stamina for deadly pursuit is that hella troll or just a little?
austere cliff
Thank you
gaunt phoenix
The finisher priority is bte > (prep bte) > ks > dispatch
gaunt phoenix
hey if you drop combat stamina for deadly pursuit is that hella troll or just a ...
just a little
i mean we all used to play pursuit
but then it was like eh
doesnt seem to be doing a whole lot
so we all shifted to stamina
shell fossil
yeah that's sound about right also uptime is high in keys right now
oh yeah
if we could kinda track it like implacable
it might be worth another look but ye
quaint wharf
The finisher priority is bte > (prep bte) > ks > dispatch
solo i have a question
gaunt phoenix
?!
quaint wharf
if im sitting on LD and my active buff has ~10 sec, and AR is up, do i send the AR or wait 10 sec then roll, or just roll over my 10 sec buff
or just send the AR
keen belfry
i like outlaw key boyos
gaunt phoenix
i would roll over 2 buff
keen belfry
sup boyos
gaunt phoenix
3 or 4 buff, no idea
quaint wharf
hmmge
gaunt phoenix
it's not a scenario that can be forced enough in sim to see the impact
personally i wouldnt roll a 3 at 10
quaint wharf
ive tried both options, i think wasting a LD feels bad if its back to back double trouble
gaunt phoenix
thats like 6 finishers that could have been downgraded to stage 2
quaint wharf
yeah
gaunt phoenix
but yeah i have no way of knowing
keen belfry
when u find out canu lmk solo
quaint wharf
thats ok i think ill just hold ar regardless unless its a 2 roll
number 1 double trouble hater!!
quaint wharf
bro idk how many fuck my LDs i have left in me
keen belfry
then reroll it!
quaint wharf
gamba gamba gamba
quaint wharf
yes sir..
keen belfry
W
gaunt phoenix
ya got leaped
keen belfry
brewer flamed cuz i got triple leapt and we bricked a key
mbmb
its okay fizz we timed the 20 resil seat of triuamvermate one shot
outer meteor
i also timed the 20 resil pit of saron one shot
keen belfry
i dont feel like im doing that much more dmg rn
but ive done like 2 actual keys since
carmine pine
Are you guys rolling over stage 2 with LD, KIR, And bte ready like the latest APL says?
craggy barn
u mean ld?
carmine pine
u mean ld?
Yes
I've been testing it and it seems to be a 0.6-1% DPS increase in overall dungeon
craggy barn
yea i only kir stage 3+ and reroll 2s with ld
carmine pine
All the guides seem to only roll over stage 1 with LD but it's interesting that the APL rolls over stage 2 (If KIR ready)
craggy barn
because getting 3+ is really good
so u use ld when u are guaranteeing at minimum stage 2
if ur already at stage2 with ld, letting it drop then rerolling is the same as just rerolling with ld
carmine pine
So the gamble is worth the 25 energy in overall
craggy barn
ur spending the 25 no matter what anyways
carmine pine
Oh yeah.. that's true
craggy barn
ur forced to roll if u let stage 2 drop
u might as well gamble the +1
ur guaranteed stage 2 with LD
so ur not missing anything
better than waiting and letting kir potentially not be used
carmine pine
Ok thanks that makes sense
random stirrup
All the guides seem to only roll over stage 1 with LD but it's interesting that...
its in the faq!
vocal birch
guys anyone have any recomendation of guide about Outlaw? i'm stuck about the dmg on AoE or the opener i have 278 and my dps is VERY low i'm not sure about the passive faze and the prio, i was play outlaw on Dragonflight S2 so rn i try to figure out how to do dmg on AoE? thanks in advanced.
craggy barn
#outlaw-faq is generally a good read
lots of info in there
if u mean a video guide
idk
carmine pine
Yeah, I see it in the faq, but interesting enough the APL only rolls over stage 2 if LD, KIR .. AND between the eyes is off cooldown
Three conditions
random stirrup
iirc solo said the bte condition was meant to say kir instead
but typo
and it ended up not making a difference
carmine pine
Ahhhh
carmine pine
Yeah I've simmed without bte condition and it was no different
craggy barn
the apl should be updated to not have the erroneous bte condition
carmine pine
Can you link? I was going off https://www.noxxic.com/wow/guide/outlaw-rogue/dps-rotation-approaches
craggy barn
vocal birch
Can you link? I was going off https://www.noxxic.com/wow/guide/outlaw-rogue/dps-...
how this worth?
carmine pine
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/profiles/MID1/MID1_Rogue_O...
Thank you
craggy barn
theres no rotation guides in there, so not worth for what ur looking for pampimpum
glass mortar
oh lord noxxic
craggy barn
and yea
glass mortar
they still around i havent heard that name in years
carmine pine
Appreciate it I had shit references lol
craggy barn
i dont think noxxic guides have been worth looking at for a while, when discords exist and wowhead has employed a good amount of writers
carmine pine
Tbh I just googled "outlaw rogue latest APL"
craggy barn
just look at the github directly for apl shit
vocal birch
noxxic is better than raidbot?
craggy barn
no
vocal birch
what's the difference?
craggy barn
raidbot is a completely different thing
craggy barn
oh i guess they do sims there, but it seems out dated
idk if they offer anything better than what raidbots can give u
vocal birch
do you know a good guide of rotation for Outlaw? i'm stuck tbh
inner meadow
Im on belo ren atm and i wanna play outlaw
do i just hold prep for egg?
or what do i do
craggy barn
m belo?
red grove
Any tips on the "Scorcing Ray" from the last boss in Skyreach? Shit hits me for almost all my health then starts ticking and feint does almost nothing. If I dont have cloak or evasion up the healer really needs to focus me
inner meadow
yea i assume so
craggy barn
probably gotta also hold an adr before interm
idk how many u can fit in reliably
before inter
carmine pine
"actions.cds+=/roll_the_bones,if=!buff.roll_the_bones.up|rtb_buffs=1"
This still doesn't roll over stage 2 that's just no buff or only stage 1
shy sandal
what was the name of that addon for the auto TotT?
leaden sonnet
!tricks
ornate heathBOT
shy sandal
aha thanks
glass mortar
"actions.cds+=/roll_the_bones,if=!buff.roll_the_bones.up|rtb_buffs=1"
This stil...
we only ever roll over stage 2 if you have KiR ready (maybe and loaded dice available?)
u never just naked roll over stage 2
FaQ has the exact rule
vocal birch
so always i'll to use Pistol shoot with 2 stack? i used it with one procs.
glass mortar
you use it at any amount of stacks at 1-3 CP as trickster
inland acorn
Naked roll is like your desperate attempt
craggy barn
naked roll is when ur just fucked
glass mortar
if you are capped on stacks and would press SS as a builder, then you PS instead tho yea
inland acorn
Avoid it like plague
vocal birch
i got it
potent walrus
is this spec just destined for doom if u get bad rolls or am i doing something wrong
wat are the chances u roll a 2 buff after u AR
i just go entire boss fights not getting a single 3 or 4 buff
and sometimes i get caught in a spot where ar isnt up for a minute + and im just stuck with a 1 buff
feeling completely starved
is that normal or am i just getting rng fucked
fervent garden
I'm actually in a decent spot with Trickster. Enjoying the flow. Sure once in a while get a 1 buff, but it blows by pretty quick. Running 24% hast, like 36% crit
glass mortar
if you get 90% 2 buffs on a fight you will be aggresively mid almost regardless of how you play
RtB is very strong and u have no way to undo bad luck if u just never roll a 3
shouldnt be bad damage necessarily tho
vocal birch
wat are the chances u roll a 2 buff after u AR
something i hold the reroll for waiting AR
cinder relic
is this spec just destined for doom if u get bad rolls or am i doing something w...
Spec is decently high variance atm
glass mortar
just not exciting
we are very high variance rn ^
highest we been since shadowlands probably honestly
idr DFs exact values
fatebounds a bit less if u dont like the variance
less damage also tho
unkempt cypress
Also no perm md
glass mortar
Guys what would be the top 3 worh items to use this on?
ur 2 weapons and 2 trinkets
those are the only items u can use them on
cinder relic
MH > trinket > oh
glass mortar
they are not limited tho u can farm as many as u want so
dont need to be too careful with them
vocal birch
how much ilvl do you need for that Achiev for decreased the mythic crest for upgrade?
vivid vessel
285
valid hound
how much ilvl do you need for that Achiev for decreased the mythic crest for upg...
what does decreased mythic crest for upgrade mean?
it costs u less to upgrade ?
vocal birch
problably 10 less
maiden beacon
ur 2 weapons and 2 trinkets
Soo [Krick's Beetle Stabber ?
vocal birch
rn we need 20 crest for get one level of upgrade
glass mortar
mh > trinkets > oh as guy said
but again there is no specific item to use it on
it upgrade ur weapons and trinkets
u can farm as many of them as u want (the upgrade item)
u can use it on all ur weapons and all ur trinkets if u really want
the hero/myth track ones anyway
vocal birch
is worth to upgrade Gaze heroic?
glass mortar
there is no limit to the resource
quaint wharf
wat are the chances u roll a 2 buff after u AR
i think its 48% with LD
glass mortar
the only limit is the time u want to spend farming it
valid hound
yes cuz no limit
glass mortar
its up to u if its worth to upgrade herioc items
hidden sky
is worth to upgrade Gaze heroic?
Yes no limit
glass mortar
idk how much time u have to play the game
vocal birch
what do you think?
maiden beacon
But [Krick's Beetle Stabber] is bis right?
valid hound
yes
vocal birch
But [Krick's Beetle Stabber] is bis right?
yes it is
vagrant olive
285 abyss saber/radiant foil...worth or no
glass mortar
i think obviously because its easy to farm and also saves you mythic crests on ur future mythic weapon upgrading
hidden sky
Or in other words, will you get something to replace it in the next 5 keys?
vocal birch
MH i'm not sure
maiden beacon
Dope
vocal birch
is better to craft one sword or try to get some main hand mythic?
glass mortar
unless i was doing it for the crest saving
craggy barn
is better to craft one sword or try to get some main hand mythic?
crafted sword is good for fastest dps gain
vocal birch
but for pushing key? try to get bis sword?
vocal birch
is from the 3er boss on voidstorm?
craggy barn
alleria or saladbar
vocal birch
damn that boss is hard on Mythic fk me
craggy barn
fwiw, crafted simed better for me than a mplus weapon
valid hound
whats fastest way to farm? lfr/normal?
vocal birch
i really need to doing some simc for check that's question
craggy barn
whats fastest way to farm? lfr/normal?
farm what
valid hound
voidshards
craggy barn
hero raid
valid hound
ah okay
craggy barn
hero raid -> 2 nm preys -> t11 bountifuls
vocal birch
+10 isn't more faster?
craggy barn
mplus is at least 10-20 minutes
raid gives u gauranteed 1 per boss
nm preys are like 6 minutes
bountfuls are like 8
vocal birch
i got it thank you for sharing.
craggy barn
doing all the weekly shit for guaranteed cores is fastest fs
vocal birch
thanks for sharing
coarse mesa
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vocal birch
i try to do some rotation with the dummy
cedar bone
how do you guys track cr and bl? any nice options that look like ACDM?
wintry leaf
Is there a breakpoint in haste where Outlaw starts to flow better? It feels slow now compared to Sub
craggy barn
!haste
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
craggy barn
rn trickster is favoring more like 25% haste
vocal birch
i have 27% with flask and 24 without it and something i out of energy
coarse swift
Should i 295 my crafted main hand weapon? Kings
craggy barn
i have 27% with flask and 24 without it and something i out of energy
that just happens, bad play also contributes to worse energy
craggy barn
Should i 295 my crafted main hand weapon? Kings
sim
if u have a myth weapon to replace it
i upgraded mine over taking a myth weapon
vocal birch
that just happens, bad play also contributes to worse energy
yeah i'm sure about bad playstyle from my side.
proven ocean
@vivid vessel discord has spellcheck feature
Hope it helps
@fluid iron ^ u might need too or
sly oasis
my crucible 263 trinket outsims 285 heart of wind, is it possible ? Or are the sims bait
steel shadow
is it worth adrenaline prepull if the cloud isnt on boss
royal cloud
should you blade flurry on CD in M+? or just when buff is running out?
steel shadow
is there any reason my macro refuses to drink a light's potential
its just
/use Light's Potential
no?
ionic citrus
Drag the macro to the action bar as you prolly forgot.
random stirrup
the names for pots dont work very well since the item qualities got introduced
ids are the way to go
honest dust
what do you guys think i should craft as second embalishment? (ignore hands they avoid me xD)
honest dust
Ok, maybe upgrading would be more dps i need to see, bc im 10 crest on every slot
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> are u waiting at all to use prep on crown p1
no clue yet
warped spruce
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
tender cipher
If I have bte procs, do I full send them or have to make sure I am full cp between each one
tranquil ledge
If I have bte procs, do I full send them or have to make sure I am full cp betw...
u need 6 cp for each. so if u have 5 after proc u need to build
tender cipher
Gotcha
tepid galleon
Guidon over prism??
deep sequoia
Guidon over prism??
No
tepid galleon
Why Zac run it on his highest key
deep sequoia
Zac is running it cuz he doesn’t have myth prisim
viscid scaffold
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
tepid galleon
Myth prism better than void plume?
elder sonnet
doesnt heroic prism sim higher than myth guidon?
tepid galleon
Heroic?
deep sequoia
doesnt heroic prism sim higher than myth guidon?
Idk I asked him in his chat and that’s what he told me
tepid galleon
Myth prism or heroic void ascended plume
elder sonnet
heroic plume sims higher than myth prism slightly for me
gaunt phoenix
elder sonnet
i wish the bird was puggable
tender wedge
Perfect for your ilvl parses 😎
flat briar
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
soft abyss
Also myth guidon better than heroic prism
uncut ginkgo
you shouldnt be using KS inside AR window no?
