of course that means you have to get 15 in one day
#outlaw
mighty pivot
you need 15 RIGHT NOW or you are forever behind gg
jolly geyser
should have waited for fix
gaunt phoenix
ye
unkempt dew
Time to farm some myth crests
true dust
how can i setup icons for my trinkets to see when they proc? I tried with better cooldown manager but i can't make it work
shell fossil
make pate and put a fried egg on it
gaunt phoenix
do i go double arcanoweave?
yea
mighty pivot
solo should I wear blue socks or pink?
jolly geyser
I got the dogs out myself rn
hasty void
anyone who is smarter/better geared than me look into if The Void on an ascendant crafted weapon now out DPSes a non crafted myth + prism on ring, since the sims were so close already?
unkempt dew
What works?
reef forge
upgrade hero to free upgrade myyth
unkempt dew
Wait what
reef forge
ascenddant core a hero piece if you don't have fully upgrade myth piece
unkempt dew
En then I can free upgrade my mythic version?
gaunt phoenix
ye
reef forge
2 5/6
unkempt dew
Weyo
jolly geyser
so I can make my hc gaze myth?
unkempt dew
No
fervent garden
gtfo
unkempt dew
You can upgrade the mythic one
With less crests
To 5/6
Its not turning a hc in a myth
unkempt dew
Haha yeah
gaunt phoenix
donk
fervent garden
tell us!
cerulean portal
cz not 298 :<
fervent garden
i have a 289 Kroluk's trinket because i have the worst luck in the world.
no gaze
jolly geyser
flip a coin
river wing
helm 100%
vapid sundial
you take based off whts harder to get
alpine bloom
With or without flask
vapid sundial
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vapid sundial
but looking at it rn helm is the only thing in there worth it
hardy vault
viscid scaffold
is the first upgrade to 298 not free? do u still need to farm another 5 shards?
frail veldt
You can upgrade the mythic one
But it wastes the 10 ilvl item?
So you're trading that for 120 crests essentially?
reef forge
are they not infinte?
wide heath
wish they would remove KS from Trickster
timid idol
so how do these new ilvl increase thingies work
we get one every week like voidcores or
gaunt phoenix
is the first upgrade to 298 not free? do u still need to farm another 5 shards?
yeah, you have to farm 4
you get 1 shard for free
viscid scaffold
yeah, you have to farm 4
its joever
it does drop very well from normal tho rn
can recommend
cinder abyss
They are putting out a hotfix to increase the drop chance from various sources. 100% at heroic/mythic boss, 10+ chest, bountiful chest 11 delves, champion cache nightmare prey. Increasing t5 ritual site drop but wont be 100%.
They will be reducing the drop chance on anything not listed above^
harsh quartz
can you just farm up 4 of them all at once?
like not in one go, but in one week lol
timber knoll
hi, does anyone know where i can find the actual simc files for classes?
cinder abyss
Didnt check to see if the voidcores themselves were unique but u can farm the shards as much as you want
Ran t1 ritual sites, took around 3 mins per run solo (shorter if duo'd) took me around 45 mins to get the other 4
tight wasp
hey im new to outlaw rogue and i want to ask a question. Is it bad for outlaw to use a dagger in offhand? instead of mace axe etc?
rustic birch
You want to use a dagger in offhand because faster atk speed
river wing
it is good to use a dagger
tight wasp
thanks guys !! appreciate that for the fast answers haha nave a nice day
frail veldt
hi, does anyone know where i can find the actual simc files for classes?
Google simulationcraft github
sly oasis
should i void forge my offhand or gaze first ?
gaunt phoenix
gaze
acoustic hedge
Can u sim void forging?
upper hawk
yes. it's one of the + sign options on any piece of gear that is eligible
verbal fjord
With or without flask
Im just askin i still dont have enough haste lol
acoustic hedge
I can void forge hero gaze then when I get myth gaze I can forge that right?
cerulean portal
weee
gaunt phoenix
on specifically dragons and vanguard you want a little more haste
cerulean portal
tomorrow they all get 298 weapons and i suck again
quaint delta
does eyes of the eagle enchant show up as affecting stats?
unkempt dew
Aah man I thought when I had a crafted 285 weapon that I could upgrade my new myth MH to 285 for free. But it still costs crests
strong halo
anyone use BCM? i cant add trinkets / racial to main spells its kinda of annoying
unkempt dew
Aah man I thought when I had a crafted 285 weapon that I could upgrade my new my...
Why isn’t this working?
gaunt phoenix
its based on the lowest ilvl of your mainhand and offhand
so if your offhand is not 285
cant upgrade for free
but if you crafted both MH and OH then upgrading mythic would be free
exotic walrus
I dont know if it has been asked before but is it "worth" to play Outlaw outside the cleave comp?
jolly geyser
Both crafted
its over,cya next expansion
elder sonnet
Is the voidshard drop rate hotfix out yet?
halcyon chasm
Can we void forge MH and OH to be equal to specs using a 2H?
vivid vessel
Is the voidshard drop rate hotfix out yet?
no lo
jolly geyser
lil frenchie pup farming 1 sites
humble harbor
How is outlaw in comparision to other specs in m+ environment?
junior prawn
Cranks
humble harbor
I have no idea what that mean but it sounds like "bad"
jolly geyser
its good
vocal birch
How is outlaw in comparision to other specs in m+ environment?
dk is the best melee in m+ environment
humble harbor
*in comparision to other rogue specs
elder sonnet
you forgot to add unholy in there too
jolly geyser
arms be chopping wood good now
tall sundial
should i take the mace or take 2 tokens? i have 2 tokens already
harsh quartz
has this hotfix went into effect yet or what?
jolly geyser
would take weapon tbh
harsh quartz
don't want to grind out shit until I know lol
vivid vessel
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
worldly compass
don't want to grind out shit until I know lol
don't think so
cinder relic
Funny how before midnight arms was meme
I mean ppl really overmemed arms
Arms was bad and then every 2 weeks it got a 5%+ buff
Even at the point of "okay arms is decent now" it kept getting buffed
elder sonnet
is mythic belo puggable now? chimarus is easy to pug but not sure about belo
clear obsidian
cinder relic
is mythic belo puggable now? chimarus is easy to pug but not sure about belo
Absolutely not
That fight requires way too much dps, and individual mechanical responsibility
limpid sky
is mythic belo puggable now? chimarus is easy to pug but not sure about belo
mythic bird compared to chimaerus is kinda hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
strong halo
NA hotfix out yet?
keen belfry
not yet
flint sun
worth voidforging hero gaze?
keen belfry
yes cuz u have unlimted voidcores or wahtever they called
flint sun
fair
harsh quartz
yeah I don't have a myth track weapon yet for some reason so I'll be upgrading my crafted ones because why not
inland acorn
That fight requires way too much dps, and individual mechanical responsibility
But zac said belo is puggable
Still waiting for his stream from that pug
vivid vessel
keen belfry
belo is puggable if everyone has already killed it and are in a coordinated group
imo
vivid vessel
that was kinda my point tho
keen belfry
thats not a pug zac
keen belfry
get sementic
vivid vessel
but isnt it the same for every boss tho
when i was doing my reclears with pugs
i only enter grps that already killed the boss
so
keen belfry
yes and no, the level required to pug belo is a bitt diff tahn chimmy
plain whale
If you're not playing around a phys comp, and not a god like Zac, would you be better off going Sin? My girlfriend plays Aug and we're fairly casual. I like all three specs, but is Outlaw okay with Aug or would Sin be better? We're only doing 17's/18's.
vivid vessel
prolly sub
plain whale
Like I know Outlaw is probably objectively best, but I'm not playing the comp for it and just "Push" with an Aug. Thanks for the suggestion Zac.
vivid vessel
i dont think outlaw is objectively best also
sub is at wrose the same
and could be better
vivid vessel
sin similarly is at worse a bit worse
vivid vessel
Seems to have the most success currently.
where
plain whale
Again - I have the analytical skills of a casual.
Outlaw seems to be doing the highest keys
Idc about raid really.
vivid vessel
ok but thats just cause there are outlaw one tricks that play outlaw in keys every season
and thats not the case for other specs
plain whale
sin similarly is at worse a bit worse
Oh okay, so just keep Sin and have fun.
vivid vessel
casual plays dk
plain whale
Gotcha.
vivid vessel
like
in s3 tww
i was r1 rogue
and outlaw was arguably the worse spec in the game
plain whale
I've been playing Rogue since Wrath. I respect that man.
Since your last post was so successful, do you think you could do one twice as long for arguing a raid buff for us?
vivid vessel
:D
plain whale
I want to sign up for a key and feel WANTED
vivid vessel
i have been wanting to do a post about outlaw state more generaly
for a bit now
will do soon prolly
plain whale
Like my girlfriend does as Aug.
Shroud used to provide that feeling of "Oh hey, we can maybe do this cool thing." but it feels like shroud benefits are few and far between now.
Bring back old-school smokebomb.
Modernize it.
jolly geyser
i have been wanting to do a post about outlaw state more generaly
Blizz deletes post
timid portal
leaden sonnet
Ye rogue needs some reason to be brought. I would like AOE shiv with an improved numbing so it's kinda like blight of tongues + the massive crippling slow, as that felt cool on araz when I did it as assa
plain whale
Did you ever play when smokebomb was a dungeon/raid utility Eleem?
Would it be too good now?
leaden sonnet
Its called darkness
jolly geyser
aoe kidney
jolly geyser
but raid buff would be neat,if im being serious
plain whale
Would be nice for keys.
cinder relic
i think belo is puggable in a group of people that killed it
This person doesn't exist sadly
vivid vessel
i want st ccs to be reworked
diff dr as aoe ccs
actually interupt spells so it goes on cd
and then kidney shouldnt cost cps
cinder relic
The person who's, killed beloren, and also wants to pug it
Anybody who's killed it is in a guild yk
vivid vessel
The person who's, killed beloren, and also wants to pug it
alt raid
maybe thats not a thing in NA
jolly geyser
Jane doe killed beloren guy
vivid vessel
but in eu people do that
cinder relic
We just do group 2 and soon, 3!
vivid vessel
ye
plain whale
Kidney costing CP's really grinds my gears. Is the justification that it's longer potentially?
cinder relic
Kidney costing CP's really grinds my gears. Is the justification that it's longe...
The justification is that it's a longer cc yes.
fresh acorn
I mean you can maybe pug it with a combined group of like 3-4 guilds that have killed it
cinder relic
It's also just always cost cp so it'll probs cost cp forever
vivid vessel
i mean the justification is pvp lol
fresh acorn
But is that even a pug tho?
vivid vessel
if pvp didnt exsit
cinder relic
i mean the justification is pvp lol
That as well
vivid vessel
kidney wouldnt cost cps
fresh acorn
Also is plume + gaze bis for outlaw?
cinder relic
Ya
fresh acorn
K I take plume from vault
plain whale
The mass of people running the piss crystal is just from lacking M Plume then right?
fresh acorn
Prob
cinder relic
There's not a lot of overlap between people who have killed beloren and play outlaw
No flame
cinder relic
I don't even have plume still
vivid vessel
after one belo kill
plain whale
You know what's sad about our class? I've had friends take a peek at this Discord and I always hear that we have the best class Discord by a mile.
And we're still the 2nd lowest played class.
ionic citrus
After 2 months oscilating between rank 3 and 700 due to roll and BtE rng. I'm out 😢
cinder relic
And we're still the 2nd lowest played class.
Probably partially related lol
plain whale
This date is scuffed. It should say 2017
plain whale
Probably partially related lol
Weird correlation. Good Discord for a niche class.
In a way, it's a blessing for you guys though. Imagine if we were like REALLY good. You'd be fielding questions non-stop.
gaunt phoenix
This channel was 5x more active in BFA
plain whale
I remember.
gaunt phoenix
and that was before discord really took off
random stirrup
In a way, it's a blessing for you guys though. Imagine if we were like REALLY go...
I did enjoy the brief times recently there was rogue hype for keys
torn plover
We didn't have target cap most of BFA, lol
random stirrup
poor assa got it bad
jolly geyser
we had some interesting chars here
plain whale
In a way, I think we're still paying for BFA Outlaw and Zul Sub.
gaunt phoenix
good times
cinder relic
Probably the same?
plain whale
Icy Veins had an article.. Don't know how accurate it is.
Apparently Sub is still the most played.
torn plover
Pulling all those snakes for the eye puzzle in Temple of Sethraliss with no AOE cap, hnngh
gaunt phoenix
castle nathria tier was also really active
jolly geyser
Pulling all those snakes for the eye puzzle in Temple of Sethraliss with no AOE ...
orb falling thru the floor
plain whale
I hated the uhh.. Monstrosity boss on Mythic I remember needing a WA for to do.
gaunt phoenix
partially new expansion hype, but outlaw was kinda fotm that tier
plain whale
In Nathria
sturdy drift
Can we upgrade all 4 Items today or only one someone knows that?
jolly geyser
gonna be some late night for eu
plain whale
You could also do it right now though if you like wasting time.
cinder relic
castle nathria tier was also really active
I wonder how much of that was due to covenants locking you in
plain whale
I forgot about covenants.
glass shard
i loved 8.3
vapid sundial
dragonflight
outlaw didnt type the way we do
as much
in bfa tho
zac and ross didnt exist either
i bet u they both together make up nearly 200k of that lmfao
plain whale
I have a take about WoW's current state. I'm just a casual player, but bugs aside, I feel like this is the best the game has been as far as commitment for fun goes. I hope balance/bugs can be fixed, but if we went back 5 years, we were probably having a lot of the same complaints/gripes. The bugs DO seem more prevalent now though. I'm just hoping they can keep going in this "Casual" direction but refine/hone things in.
Maybe also hire class devs.
gaunt phoenix
shadowlands
gaunt phoenix
no, there's an after date before that
cinder relic
I have a take about WoW's current state. I'm just a casual player, but bugs asid...
I think the game is good rn idk
gaunt phoenix
it's in between dates
glass shard
oh
plain whale
I think the game is good rn idk
I agree. I really enjoy what's required to be "good".
cinder relic
The game has issues, it always does but idk
plain whale
As opposed to farming the Maw for 30 minutes a day every day.
I can log on now, do keys and raid and log off and not worry about grinding prey/reps unless I want mounts.
plain whale
Sailing?
harsh quartz
lol
gaunt phoenix
war within
harsh quartz
maybe he meant selling? down with the AH
cinder relic
harsh quartz
iydkydk
gaunt phoenix
dragonflight was the most total messages in here it seems
plain whale
This encompasses WoW perfectly.
glass shard
crendor was such a staple 10 years ago
gaunt phoenix
wow that is ancient
torpid fiber
dragonflight
1.5 million of those messages were zeross writing a paragraph one word at a time
glass shard
the only thing thats a detriment to fun in the current wow sphere is that community perception of your spec are 200x more important than anything else
vapid sundial
1.5 million of those messages were zeross writing a paragraph one word at a time
Thats what i said
copy cat
bozo
glass shard
(for me personally)
gaunt phoenix
there definitely is a lot of outlaw tribalism
cinder relic
The things that bother me is just how buggy this specific patch was
glass shard
if u dont play x y z spec ur just playing the game less since u dont get invited
torpid fiber
Thats what i said
You said it was zac + Ross together which was just true
glass shard
(in turn means less practice = play worse = self reinforcing perception)
vapid sundial
You said it was zac + Ross together which was just true
i mean i typed a lot too
tbh
gaunt phoenix
i dont remember dragonflight notable for activity
vapid sundial
i was on my old discord in df i think
gaunt phoenix
i didnt play the 2nd tier at all even
torpid fiber
I did as well even though I was mid and always have been tbh
torpid fiber
i dont remember dragonflight notable for activity
I think the spec being good in s3 made some active ppl really active
gaunt phoenix
There was a dragonflight-beta channel that is lost to time even
vapid sundial
My old discord
i put 200k messages into outlaw
before it was banned i think (hacked and then i chargedback)
xd
random stirrup
i dont remember dragonflight notable for activity
outlaw was near meta in df3
i would suspect a lot of it comes from then
it also got reworked then
halcyon chasm
Any outlaws in the MDI this year?
opal valve
Was comparing against the total sample, not rogue specificlly. Still overall saw less numbers in this season and was a bit confused lol.
opal valve
season 4 was the fated tier with nothing going on
Ohhh okay. Yea that makes sense.
cinder relic
The game has made it easier and easier to roll alts
Which just means if you aren't op, it's fairly easy to just reroll
Which further puts specs that aren't op further behind popularity wise
And also. Rogue has been unpopular and under played for a long time but
torpid fiber
DF s3 rework also was a new skill ceiling everyone had to learn so there was lots of conversation then
gaunt phoenix
i'd imagine bfa was still the most messages per member count
river wing
I mean there has to be some underlying issue bc Rogue has been at the current spot for like...most of 6 years? like from SL to today
and IDK, I'm pretty sure the numbers for Legion aren't very high either (don't recall exactly where I saw that though)
like Rogue has been quietly falling off in popularity and even when it was meta in BfA, it only arrived at what, 7% total pop, like an average class?
proven ocean
@gloomy coral
gloomy coral
!ban @clever ginkgo scam
river wing
but I also can't say it has to be class design because the class has been changing a lot in 10 years
do WoW players just not vibe with Rogue or what
ancient cobalt
i'd imagine bfa was still the most messages per member count
thats when i was a cf..
when i had a green name 
torpid fiber
It's partially bc rogue sucks to level
ancient cobalt
for what i couldnt tell ya
ancient cobalt
first shitposter to get green name
placid vapor
Hello pirates, do we know what offhand to use with this ? do i transfer the embelishment from my crafyed main hand to crafted 285 dagger ? for off hand
(NXP mace)
gaunt phoenix
a lot of people have crafted dagger if they have been playing the tier. but the goal is to bonus roll the dagger from Pit
river wing
It's partially bc rogue sucks to level
ngl who even makes their impression by levelling?
torpid fiber
huge amounts of ppl
river wing
like the last time you could maybe figure the class out during levelling was idk,WoD? at best
proven ocean
i'd imagine bfa was still the most messages per member count
Bfa because i was a yapper there it increased the median way too much
placid vapor
a lot of people have crafted dagger if they have been playing the tier. but the ...
I have it but on hero track, should i wait til i get myth track
proven ocean
Now im chill tho
proven ocean
Bfa because i was a yapper there it increased the median way too much
Dragonflight*
random stirrup
ngl who even makes their impression by levelling?
every good player started somewhere
proven ocean
Ya
random stirrup
if you try 3 classes and 2 are great to level and one you're dying to regular mobs
you're gonna think the third just sucks
gaunt phoenix
I have it but on hero track, should i wait til i get myth track
i'd say yes unless crafting dagger is your most immediate upgrade rn
vapid sundial
ngl who even makes their impression by levelling?
me
leveling in classic was dogshit ass
i quit classic bc of it
that was my first experience in wow
proven ocean
Historically ya
fierce aurora
fellow outlaws, i have a question about the new weapon upgrades. seeing as there is no source of a 1H weapon without mastery besides the penultimate boss of voidspire, if we aren't mythic raiding, that means our options are a crafted 1H and a 1H with mastery. i know you can upgrade crafted weapons, but theyll still be lower ilvl than non-crafted. would you recommend using the upgrade on that, or using it on a myth track 1H from M+? the one i have is shadowslash slicer (haste/mast, leaning towards haste), so i might get an extra point or two of haste upgrading that instead. but then id have mastery instead of literally any other stat lol. also, will the embellishment on the weapon scale, or am i better off removing that anyway even if i upgrade the weapon instead?
proven ocean
That too
river wing
leveling in classic was dogshit ass
as a rogue?... idk, maybe mage was too high IQ for me, but I honestly enjoy vanilla Rogue as lot as a levelling class
gaunt phoenix
fellow outlaws, i have a question about the new weapon upgrades. seeing as there...
the nexus point weapon is crit vers
tho you are perhaps unlikely to bonus roll it
fierce aurora
the nexus point weapon is crit vers
oh true, i guess i meant something with haste that doesnt also have mastery
gaunt phoenix
but since the upgrades are infinite you can just upgrade your current weapon
and upgrade a new one later
fierce aurora
but since the upgrades are infinite you can just upgrade your current weapon
oh really? i thought it was gonna be timegated like this one was where we had to wait a few weeks to charge it up lol
vapid sundial
as a rogue?... idk, maybe mage was too high IQ for me, but I honestly enjoy van...
I mean IMO
the leveling experience of wow is just one of the worst things ever
really makes me not want to play
gaunt phoenix
oh really? i thought it was gonna be timegated like this one was where we had to...
nah ppl have already farmed 15 of em
fierce aurora
nah ppl have already farmed 15 of em
sick ok thanks that makes me less concerned about "wasting" one lol
river wing
the leveling experience of wow is just one of the worst things ever
well, that makes one of us IG
jolly geyser
I like lvling once
fierce aurora
speaking of only having pieces with mastery available, myth track leather shoulders are also all mastery aside from the same boss on voidspire (lightblind vanguard) and our tier set is also mastery lol. i checked the other midnight dungeons that are out of rotation right now and a lot of them dont have mastery. just a weird quirk. but it def feels like theres way less stat variety in m+ alone this season
arctic hollow
oh true, i guess i meant something with haste that doesnt also have mastery
Saladar weapon is haste vers, fairly puggable
jolly geyser
alts are a chore
fierce aurora
Saladar weapon is haste vers, fairly puggable
good to know
gaunt phoenix
yea you will be stuck with 200-some mastery
well, half of that is gaze
but a lil mastery is not that bad
fierce aurora
yeah and its not like its completely useless
just feelsbad when we arent at DRs for anything else
gaunt phoenix
i think most geared ppl are approaching the crit DR
you have like 45% in town with plume stacks
river wing
levelling at the moment is a chore, yeah
but like...I recently did level in MoP and it's still neat
and started with friends in TBC and it's still a blast
gaunt phoenix
i loved tbc classic, at least the first one
vapid sundial
My first raid was nyalotha
jolly geyser
nervous
vapid sundial
worldly shale
jolly geyser
I lied I was 18+ ofc
jolly geyser
good start
gaunt phoenix
both nighthold and antorus i loved a lot
jolly geyser
good times
frigid shale
!tricks
fierce aurora
this is where im at with 279 ilvl
fierce aurora
yeah im just finally dumping my random mastery pieces thanks to the bonus rolls lol
pit of saron goated
river wing
my first actual raid (i.e. one I actually cleared to the end) was like
TotGC 10 man
fierce aurora
i currently have 5p though cause thats just how the vaults worked out lol, i need to replace my hero track tier helm and thatll also get rid of some mastery
gaunt phoenix
u can straight up just craft a helm
worldly shale
what should we voidcore btw, mainhand would be bis right?
but i only have the tormentors fist on myth and alleria sword is bis
should i wait for alleria weapon as we are clearing her now or just go gaze?
fierce aurora
u can straight up just craft a helm
yeah i just wanna use my gilded crests on my other pieces first
gaunt phoenix
they are infinite so just send it
gaunt phoenix
infinite
fierce aurora
i have a ton of sparks, just not a ton of gilded crests lol
river wing
not like them
I mean it's basically a limited turboboost
worldly shale
back to diablo
river wing
just think of it as having to farm crests for +3 track steps
worldly shale
raaaaah
fierce aurora
wait till you have to farm them
i farm gilded crests in pvp normally but mmr was so bad until literally this week so i parked at 2300 and was waiting lol
river wing
it'll be about the same actually if you were to do 10s
worldly shale
thats a longy time
gaunt phoenix
im fully sold on fatebound
when i look over at tea and see 3 stacks
life is good
vivid vessel
unfortunate it doestn have perma tricks
also solo can you add the fazed bug to sims
or can ask koji
gaunt phoenix
i did
gaunt phoenix
the 6 seconds?
fierce aurora
i wish killing spree was good enough to warrant running on fatebound lol
vivid vessel
ye
gaunt phoenix
like a week ago
vivid vessel
ye i know
fierce aurora
it's the supercharger one that is complicated
the one where it procs off the free bte reset but doesnt give the benefit?
keen belfry
@vivid vessel first game back
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> first game back
huge bro
gaunt phoenix
ye
fierce aurora
i feel like outlaw always has some jank that makes it impossible to sim accurately lol
worldly shale
whens the hotfix in for the core thingies btw
worldly shale
<@352916297262301194> first game back
based gwen
jolly geyser
whens the hotfix in for the core thingies btw
yes
gaunt phoenix
not reset apparently
worldly shale
not reset apparently
ye they said later in the day
id say now its later in the day
gaunt phoenix
i mean its like 9am blizzard time
jolly geyser
hopefully before prime eu raid time
vivid vessel
i mean
gaunt phoenix
right now yes
vivid vessel
its 16% chnace drop rate
gaunt phoenix
4
jolly geyser
delve with map gave 1
frigid pelican
i did 4 tier 11 delves and got 4
vast mauve
does arcano weave scale with ilvl
jolly geyser
i did 4 tier 11 delves and got 4
bountiful?
frigid pelican
jusst stuck to the bountiful delves
gaunt phoenix
does arcano weave scale with ilvl
yes
frigid pelican
i know ritual sites where supposed to get nerfed and delves / mythics and raids where supposed to be 100% but saw someone last night in guild say he still didnt get a shard from his +10
vast mauve
yes
dang, was considering crafting a hero cloak with it because i just got bis wrist from pit bonus roll
gaunt phoenix
i dont think they did the hotfix yet
unkempt dew
Is there a cap?
slow granite
gaunt phoenix
rituaks
frigid pelican
what level still the tier 1?
placid vapor
i got like 7 or 8 from 1 wing LFR + Normal raid
placid vapor
(entire normal raid)
gaunt phoenix
afaik
random stirrup
i got like 7 or 8 from 1 wing LFR + Normal raid
i did 2 lfr wings and got 0
gaunt phoenix
huge
random stirrup
bountiful delves and H raid looking juicy on hotfix though
frigid pelican
im getting rejected from keys on my tank so i dont even want to bother trying mythics on my rogue 😐
random stirrup
only need 8 more 
gaunt phoenix
ye prolly just burn delve keys
frigid pelican
do the ritual sites move ?
frigid pelican
thanks
dense sapphire
might be a dumb question, is it ok to over cap on points with blade flurry in big aoe or should you finisher and then bf after?
gaunt phoenix
if you are at 5cps you can hold it
but you normally just send bf
you must bf if its not active, but as a builder, you mostly send but can hold at 5
storm cave
Also if you at full combo points but ar is up, do you finisher or waste the combo points
gaunt phoenix
you dispatch
storm cave
Ok thx
gaunt phoenix
?!
gaunt phoenix
10am
gaunt phoenix
true
steel shadow
bountiful delves and H raid looking juicy on hotfix though
whens this expected to go live or is it live rn
vivid vessel
when blizzard decides to stop fucking around
vivid vessel
america !
near rock
the best region
vivid vessel
blizzard doesnt do eu lil bro
viscid scaffold
well time to make them!
frigid pelican
are bountiful delves not working for you zac?
vivid vessel
they dont even have a thread for eu feebdack btw
for ptr and beta shit
they create one in na
and not in eu
vivid vessel
are bountiful delves not working for you zac?
idk didnt try
steel shadow
i like this phenomenon where the best thing u can do for your character is not play until they fix the game
vivid vessel
i have no reason to do any of that till hotfix
frigid pelican
well looks like nightmare preys will give a shard also
silk stirrup
I think people just need to chill and play the game
Instead of mindlessly farm for the new upgrades on the first day they came out
The whole point was that they take a while to get
vivid vessel
xd
frigid pelican
have you ever met a rogue who is chill about loot and more dps?
worldly shale
The whole point was that they take a while to get
Yea tell that to my raid team
silk stirrup
near trout
hi quick question , at 40% of crit ('cause of belorem ombral) and 23% haste what flask should I run haste or crit ?
frigid pelican
you're no true rogue then! for lwe want alll the looots
random stirrup
Instead of mindlessly farm for the new upgrades on the first day they came out
tuesday raiding 
earnest urchin
Just give rogues thunderfury again Surley that will make them happy
silk stirrup
Realistically people will never be happy
fathom bramble
it worked last time
earnest urchin
Actually give us warglaives too
silk stirrup
Whatever they introduce people will find a way to min/max and suck the fun out of it
earnest urchin
That would make me happy atleast
fathom bramble
warglaives should have always been swords
new weapon types are almost always goign to be a mistake
frigid pelican
id be happy to atleast be able to transmog to my blades of azzinoth
steel shadow
I think people just need to chill and play the game
you might be missing the point that if you chill and play the game right now you'll be wasting time
lets say u log in rn and youre like "i want to upgrade my weapon but i dont want to wait for hotfix"
so you do hero voidspire. 2 shards. If you had just waited for hotfix, you'd have gotten 6 (or five if pug breaks at crown).
the same is applied to literally any content in game rn that isnt m+
silk stirrup
you might be missing the point that if you chill and play the game right now you...
Well, you can argue playing video games at any point is wasting time
silk stirrup
If you dont enjoy the gameplay itself
vivid vessel
Well, you can argue playing video games at any point is wasting time
i want to play the game
earnest urchin
id be happy to atleast be able to transmog to my blades of azzinoth
Sorry only scheduled happiness your turn to be happy is in approx 234 days
vivid vessel
but i want to play the content i enjoy
aka i wanna raid and do high keys
but im forced to do random chores
for 5 h straight
earnest urchin
My lobster too juicy etc etc
vivid vessel
because they cant ever figure out their system
frigid pelican
My lobster too juicy etc etc
what if you dont like lobster tho
silk stirrup
but i want to play the content i enjoy
What if they never introduced these upgrades?
craggy barn
blizzard forgot to put guardrails on an infinitely grindable system
earnest urchin
what if you dont like lobster tho
Steak too buttery
vivid vessel
What if they never introduced these upgrades?
then what ? i dont have to farm shit its good
im happy
worldly shale
Exacly
vivid vessel
i can continue doing the content i want
silk stirrup
So it's all an illusion
ancient cobalt
guys how come on lura im sometimes near the top and then other times im off the dps meter
vivid vessel
ye you are braindead or
worldly shale
Life is an illusion
craggy barn
guys how come on lura im sometimes near the top and then other times im off the ...
bad luck
vivid vessel
guys how come on lura im sometimes near the top and then other times im off the ...
outlaw rng
ancient cobalt
sometimes even when i roll jackpot its not even a good jackpot is that odd im like dam that was a L jackpot
silk stirrup
I rawdogged jackpot like 3 times today
steel shadow
If you dont enjoy the gameplay itself
this is being deliberately obtuse and not at all the point im making
the point im making is that if you do any content right now that can only be done once, raid, bountifuls, prey, etc. you have a non-100% chance at a shard
so you are literally making a choice that is infinitely worse than just waiting
the issue is these players DO enjoy the gameplay but are too smart with limited resources to waste it on playing before the hotfix
ancient cobalt
its real fun tho ima keep playin it
random stirrup
then what ? i dont have to farm shit its good
you must suffer so that little jimmy comes back to grind out his crystals so that the playtime statistics look good for shareholders
earnest urchin
That’s so acute for you to call him obtuse
earnest urchin
Sounds like you don’t even play wow pal
silk stirrup
this is being deliberately obtuse and not at all the point im making
the point ...
My point is, if these upgrades were not out, you would be pushing some content anyway without obsessing about it
vivid vessel
My point is, if these upgrades were not out, you would be pushing some content a...
ye but they are out so you have to get them
steel shadow
call it
vivid vessel
are you stupid
silk stirrup
Hahaha damn people angry here
earnest urchin
He wouldn’t be saying these things if he was hydrated
silk stirrup
Im kinda meh
It's not the best it's been, but still probably the most fun spec in the game
I heard enh is fun but I don't like the class fantasy
lethal oak
@vivid vessel my guild wants me to swap DK, can you make another post for a buff?
lone surge
Does outlaw benifit more from ilvl upgrade than sin?
gaunt phoenix
i dont think so
random stirrup
<@352916297262301194> my guild wants me to swap DK, can you make another post f...
join us
gaunt phoenix
historically outlaw is one of the lower scaling specs
steel shadow
<@352916297262301194> my guild wants me to swap DK, can you make another post f...
hidden technique not many people know about:
you can just say no to your guild and especially if youre one of their better players it wont matter
lethal oak
True, they are in panic mode after our DK quit though. I also played Blood for them on dragons, so it is what it is.
worldly shale
<@352916297262301194> my guild wants me to swap DK, can you make another post f...
Mine wants me to go sub, guess thats valid for crown and belo :/
ancient cobalt
True, they are in panic mode after our DK quit though. I also played Blood for t...
it was nice knowing you
every guild needs a dk dps u will be great
lethal oak
still matrix
So.. I have myth wep and dagger and gaze.. then I have hc feather.. sims higher than myth prism. Think I just upgrade that since we get unlimited of these upgrades anyway for weps/trinkets
river wing
So.. I have myth wep and dagger and gaze.. then I have hc feather.. sims higher ...
yep, plume is better than myth prism for many
could just upgrade that and have it for sub also
harsh quartz
just did a nightmare prey.. no shard
I already used one voidcore but shit isn't supposed to be capped right?
mighty pivot
upper hawk
I don’t think the 100% hot fix is live yet
vivid vessel
no its not
they said they would tell us when
its apparentkly too hard for blizzard to increase the droprate
starting to be a bit comical how bad they are at bascially everything they do
quaint mauve
surely
and i mean surely
they would literally have to rewrite like barely any lines of code
to change the drop chance
no?
quaint mauve
how many ritual sites have you ran zac
quaint mauve
holy shit
vivid vessel
maybe more like 2 idk
vivid vessel
wait till its not fixed by then
quaint mauve
surely by then
they got it
surely
i still need to grind last weeks crests too
man
steel shadow
i did 4 hours of ritual sites yday on NA for my dk because i thought "i better do this before blizzard nerfs it"
keen belfry
why does this crest discount work the way it doe? was it always like this? u have to get achieve AND half that slot maxed?
vivid vessel
worked like that since it was introduced in tww yes
keen belfry
have
vivid vessel
its meant to help alts
steel shadow
why does this crest discount work the way it doe? was it always like this? u hav...
its the only one where its average ilvl instead of completely outgrowing the need for them, so you're basically getting it earlier
keen belfry
i was just a lil confused when i got the achieve bu tthen alt didnt have something like helm upgrades being cheaper cause main didnt
its good i just didnt know it worked this way
vivid vessel
to boost your main
keen belfry
my rogue will have completely discounted helm/shoulder/trinket upgrades
cuz my warr does
livid pewter
25 ritual runs... 1 drop lmao
brisk spear
25 ritual runs... 1 drop lmao
just wait for the hotfix
steel shadow
yea no way id be spamming rituals rn with hotfixes coming in a max of 1.5 hours
elfin obsidian
guys, how tf do you make first pull npx to the left + seer happening?
i cant see shit thru screen and puddles prevent me from getting to the pull ...
- i have to disable traps and so on
is that a tank angle? or am i just doing shit there
craggy barn
u rush them
u can get the forst one ez without pulling anything
2nd one during the gather, or if ur fast enough u can blind the guy behind the lazer
and get it
radiant wyvern
+ i have to disable traps and so on
never in my life am i disabling a trap there
leaden sonnet
to boost your main
And its dumb
I hate that I should have an alt to optimize my mains gearing
jolly geyser
mythic pug bonus,1 kill
frank finch
aint the thin supposed to be 100% drop rate from bountifuls i didnt get shit
elder sonnet
is the hotfix out yet???
steel shadow
kinda happy theyre taking so long with the hotfix so it doesnt feel like NA was just QA
vapid sundial
warglaives should have always been swords
the real fkd up thing is we cant xmog them yet
but i will say having a piece of loot that only one class can use is really bad design
daggers / warglaives just dont belong
whether thematic of rogue or not
when it was personal loot was fine
unkempt dew
Still no 100% update?
steel shadow
hunters want daggers now
mighty pivot
@wintry solar is it in yet
wintry solar
Not yet
mighty pivot
strange I felt a tickle
elfin obsidian
u rush them
i do rush em, but whenever i disabled 2nd, everything is full of shit and i cannot reach the mobs anylonger
and after i get kicked out of party cause low dps -.-
craggy barn
idk if ur tank doesnt move, not much u can do
also stepping into a puddle wont insta kill u
elfin obsidian
if they do mid lust first, all fine
on a 19 it gives me a 70% hp tick
if i get unlucko with engineers circle
im fucked
craggy barn
idk then, its never been too much of an issue for me
movign with tank is usually fine
since they have to move anyways
elfin obsidian
legit the ONLY pull in the entire game im fucking strugglin with xD
elfin obsidian
man, i need to practice this ngl
keen belfry
you tell your tank to go middle room first
elfin obsidian
you tell your tank to go middle room first
yeah i keep doing that
then allg, i do my dps and key's usually timed... just had a flawless run till 2nd boss and ret dc
im gonna kms
reef forge
can you still farm rituals for shards?
craggy barn
with the hotfix, yes but not guaranteed
elfin obsidian
with the hotfix, yes but not guaranteed
is it hotfixed yet tho?
reef forge
i did a 10 before and didn't get one
craggy barn
idk
elfin obsidian
so no i.g.
gaunt phoenix
its not
slim hare
after 4 weeks rolling for it at least it was worth it
dusty blaze
the t1 ritual farming was sooo tedious
gusty dew
tender wedge
worldly shale
hotfix???????
uncut ginkgo
still not out
steel shadow
hotfix???????
does wowhead have it under their blue tracker?
if not it is not out
uncut ginkgo
kav hasnt posted yet
worldly shale
does wowhead have it under their blue tracker?
if not it is not out
idk wowhead banned my country
steel shadow
let me tell you about a little service, today's sponsor, nordvpn...
heavy shadow
guys doing Lura pug Hc, RL said
I didn't pug it before, what's it mean?
First the soaks in intermission?
dusty blaze
13% wasn't it?
uncut ginkgo
did about 13 yesterday, got 2 shards
reef forge
farmed 20 today, definitely do able
uncut ginkgo
id rather just wait for the hotfix, 4 from delves, 2 from preys, then do t5 or M+
wintry solar
No
tropic zephyr
after 4 weeks rolling for it at least it was worth it
Gz
vivid vessel
id rather just wait for the hotfix, 4 from delves, 2 from preys, then do t5 or M...
bro gonna wait all week
upper hawk
guys doing Lura pug Hc, RL said
it's where to stand with the beams in p2
slim hare
bro gonna wait all week
im gonna wait for fix have to farm to eco crest + 2 spec; i cant tank ritual farming for all that
jolly geyser
from mythic gaze to m chest to replace hero chest tier, good day boys
cinder relic
long bramble
Did they fix voidshards yet
What happened now?
vivid vessel
its in now
hardy thicket
cinder relic
O sick
buoyant stratus
hotfix live just as i login
Soma raid is saves
random stirrup
real
buoyant stratus
I played DS, used an r1 potion with no food buff and still smashed vorascius
Ds sub kinda goodge
Not outlaw jackpit good but hey
shadow badge
wind pond
its in now
ty
worldly shale
well that was a long time not going into a delve
quaint mauve
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ru eternus yet guy
i’ve been lwk climbing since they made my mains OP
amber ibex
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radiant wyvern
oooh its only t11
what a scam
wintry solar
Whatever happens first
clear zodiac
Whatever happens first
ty sir
cinder relic
how do you feel abt paradox rn
ASS
timid idol
m1 players 
ancient cobalt
guys what if
timid idol
spirit players
ancient cobalt
i become a tank player
timid idol
q enjoyers 
ancient cobalt
like dratnos and really be a goddam chad
timid idol
I dont counterbuy I dont buy gun I dont buy spirit I buy MELEE, AND IF THE ENEMY PARRIES I DIE
cinder relic
in the opening shot trophy hunter meta
Ya lol
Idk
Every pick character rn feels unplayable
Everybody is just too fat
hybrid pecan
Is this right? Why are the sims recommending I go WAY past the crit soft cap?
cinder relic
Because its an upgrade
placid vapor
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cinder relic
the whole soft cap thing is kinda irrelevant, let sims do the math
keen belfry
crit good forever and those arent crit soft caps those are crit procs u think about em diff and yes what guy said
40% crit with crit proccing trinkets is good
dawn talon
Everybody is just too fat
bro i swear it's impossible to play the game w/o curse vs abrams
cinder relic
abrams also turbo shit
dawn talon
nah i swear ppl just buy shit items
cinder relic
Everything abrams does, billy or victor do better rn
timid idol
abrams is not that oppressive lol
timid idol
new victor is lame af
cinder relic
U just auto lose every lane basically
timid idol
also yea
they reworked him so his early is really really bad
the only thing he can do early now is bullet sponge
ig they buffed return fire
so its a bit better
but still
dawn talon
Everything abrams does, billy or victor do better rn
victor is just a lobby admin hero this patch ye
idk how that's in the game
timid idol
the slow on his first charge upgrade is really lame 
timid idol
victor is just a lobby admin hero this patch ye
they kinda fucked him up for no reason
i dont think anyone likes this version of victor
timid idol
victor players definitely dont i can tell u that much
i dont like gun warden either :(
hardy garden
Any updates on bte bug?
timid idol
used to play so much warden cuz i liked spirit build
dawn talon
i despise spirit warden
timid idol
infinite lifesteal ult
i liked that playstyle cuz it felt like you were an innitiator
which is mostly what i play, frontliners and initiators
but the gun build is kinda lame
billy and mk are still fun tho 
unique fulcrum
did they put the hotfix in yet?
wind pond
idk I did normal and then hc raid
how does guidon sim higher than solarflare prism in m+
inland acorn
did they put the hotfix in yet?
yes
gray summit
so we can do nm or hm
inland acorn
how does guidon sim higher than solarflare prism in m+
are you missing haste ?
gray summit
and loot now ?
keen belfry
heroic and above is guaranteed dro
wind pond
are you missing haste ?
1200 crit 870 haste
inland acorn
link sim
wind pond
redoing it 1 sec
wind pond
link sim
wanted to figure out if it was worth upgrading my myth guidon instead of hero solarflare until I get my mythic gaze
and it just said the 276 guidon is better
inland acorn
so
how come
you said you have 870 haste
but i can see in armory you have 718
which is 20%
So sim wants more haste
Which leads to guidon simming higher
inland acorn
you're simming with crit flask
inland acorn
sim really likes haste till like 25%
wind pond
and it preferred crit
which is what I'm confused about
choosing just haste flask is the same result
tender breach
which embeli goes on crafted ring?
inland acorn
didnt sim any flasks
wind pond
and letting it pick
inland acorn
well because dslice is 6 min only
in real dungeon, not having enough haste will just fuck you 10 min into the run
because you'll run out of tea
and you'll regret your life choices for next 15 minutes
wind pond
makes sense
wind pond
was gonna upgrade the guidon to 295 or whatever it is anyway
inland acorn
it's a band-aid to an issue of lacking haste
wind pond
was just surprised the 276 simmed that close