outlaw

[formal thunder]

2 gives you nothing

[wintry solar]

rtb changing rotation would be so cool though

[formal thunder]

One kills you immediately

[vivid vessel]

i mean it did and then noobs complained

[wintry solar]

ik but in the context of midnight ol

[upper hawk]

haha, I am the captain now. noob power!

[wintry solar]

its so boring

[normal violet]

finally

[vocal birch]

are u sure don't missing adrenaline rush and blade fury permant buff using stealh?

[wintry solar]

who?

[gaunt phoenix]

where bug fix ..

blozar..

[vivid vessel]

you thought

[wintry solar]

under there

[vivid vessel]

time to put the bugs in simc lil bro

[normal violet]

under...where?

[wintry solar]

[normal violet]

😄

[lone surge]

Do we upgrades both weapons before trinkets?

[gaunt phoenix]

mainhand yes

offhand i dont think so

[wintry solar]

Solo do you know who we can pay off for them to return RtB to how it was?

The DO have a price, lets not pretend they dont.

[sacred rune]

nice, puzzle box 😏

[wintry solar]

thank you

[gaunt phoenix]

np

[upper hawk]

it think the official name is "stand there doing nothing for 1.8 seconds then get interrupted then stand there for 2 more seconds and now everything is out of range box"

[shell fossil]

vorasius has cancelled your box channel

cast faster smile

[wintry solar]

dungeon casters but they strafe spam to juke your kick

[ember rock]

any1 know if the upgrade thing uses crests or not

[rough oriole]

more hoops to jump through for this weapon upgrade

[shell fossil]

just vet crests or void marl

[wintry solar]

atp just give me old school borrowed power

[shell fossil]

or 5k gold if you're okay with that

[wintry solar]

I keep looking at all this new stuff and I looks like it sucks

[near rock]

so fast

[vivid vessel]

how

[slow granite]

sorry, i am as of now 281...ish..need to get a decent second trinket since im using the void rep one (no gaze...so 263?) and this character had the hero discount + i didnt waste any myth...still not gonna get 285 tomorrow (EU).
What am i doing wrong xd

[vivid vessel]

didnt you take the thing 30 min ago

did you drop 5 in a single key or what

[slow granite]

i actually am the problem atp

[vivid vessel]

or are you in raid

and you killed 5 boss

[vocal birch]

for more dps, we'll upgrade weapon or gaze trinket?

[vivid vessel]

weapon

[vocal birch]

crafted or mythic?

[near rock]

got 1 shard per boss

ran lfr

[vivid vessel]

i see

super higher drop rate then

thats ncie

[near rock]

6 bosses out of 7 dropped a shard

[vocal birch]

one per week?

[fresh acorn]

6 7

[unkempt lake]

you have to combine 5 so it's at least 1.2 per week

[near rock]

well there is a chance that the game keeps dropping you splinters until you create your voidcore

after I created my voidcore I did the 7th boss and did not get a splinter

could be rng tho

will do more

[gaunt palm]

delete this untill EU is up

[unkempt lake]

true and i appreciate you being diabolical enough to consider that a possibility

[lone surge]

after you get the upgrade thingy do you know if it will cost crests to upgrade?

[near rock]

it doesnt

[vivid vessel]

would be funny

[near rock]

just speculation since I didnt get a splinter right there

Imma be pissed if thats the case

[vivid vessel]

i appreciate the beta testing

keep it coming

[cinder relic]

Dude I don't want to spend my currency on this fuckass mastery weapon

[vivid vessel]

it seems to be infinite drop guy

but also L

[cinder relic]

Hope so

[vivid vessel]

loser !

[hardy thicket]

hope its infinite and not weekly lame af capped

[solid citrus]

Aside from weapons, does outlaw loot table differ from the other specs at all?

[hardy thicket]

no

[solid citrus]

Sweet. Have double crafted weapon so I’ll swap to assa table for second dagger then.

[fickle scroll]

Is it possible that a 272 weapon over my 259 crafted with hunt will do less dps?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fZzAWzcu9FYcX7zUncsWFg

This is so weird.

The weapon from GV is doing 3% less dps.

[gaunt phoenix]

think you didnt select an enchant

[fickle scroll]

I did. I dont know, I'm going to resim it.

[glass mortar]

ur also comparing a dagger oh to a non dagger oh

and an embellished item to a non embelished with no replacement embellishment in another slot

[gaunt phoenix]

the offhand slot is unenchanted

but ye

[fickle scroll]

Ah nvm. I didnt select enchant for offhands, yeah.

[proven ocean]

Theres a weapon without a sim right below it buddy

[fickle scroll]

You were right.

[proven ocean]

Ur sim is broken

Resim

[fickle scroll]

Too used to 2handed classes.

[proven ocean]

Without enchant

[gaunt phoenix]

but ye a dagger offhand would be worth more than that ilvl

dagger is like 30? ilvl

[unkempt lake]

it's a weak slot (offhand), it's not a dagger, it has no embellish, it has no enchant, and you're not replacing the embellish on another slot

and the stats are worse

[fickle scroll]

This matters? I've seen that most outlaws are crafting offhand dagger, and I remember back in BC and Wotlk that the off hand speed mattered, but I didnt think it still did.

[gaunt phoenix]

it used to not really matter but now it is more Zero In procs

[fickle scroll]

Alright. Thanks!

[proven ocean]

More ross proc’s

Guys i slept alot post work

[solid citrus]

Oh hell nah. I crafted dagger off hand thinking I could also use for some assa

[gaunt phoenix]

[solid citrus]

That’s unfortunate

[gaunt phoenix]

wdym

outlaw wants dagger
sin wants dagger

you win

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean watching hail mary rn

[solid citrus]

Oh I read it wrong

Bless

[vagrant saddle]

second guessing solo rookie mistake

[proven ocean]

Koko

Okok^

okok*

[vivid vessel]

koko !

[proven ocean]

koko !

[glass mortar]

it was good

enjoy zac

[upper hawk]

did you get 6 from bosses or 5 from bosses and one from the quest? like maybe it stops each week after you get 5?

[near rock]

thats what I was thinking too

[vivid vessel]

would be super cursed

[near rock]

however based on guildies testing it might appear to be infinite but also very RNG

will let yall know later

[gaunt palm]

@vivid vessel sending your 23WS today?

[vivid vessel]

No we depleted it yesterday

Timed the 22

[fresh acorn]

Imagine they can drop from old raid bosses

[vivid vessel]

Tonight we get resilient 22

Easy enough

[gaunt palm]

Oh nice I went to bedge so didnt see

gj

[unkempt dew]

I don’t know I u should farm the MH from nexus with rolls or just keep my crafted MH weapon

[vivid vessel]

We ended up skipping the 2 birds like you guys do kinda muma

Too hard

[upper hawk]

if the ascendant thign is capped, must be nice to be a 2handed weapon user

[vivid vessel]

3 deaths on these guys every time

[cinder relic]

Bro this lura helmet feels so bait

Esp with the ring

[gaunt palm]

Ye they are horrible

[cinder relic]

My steak is too juicy

[vivid vessel]

Bro guy you need x amount of haste anyway

Like surely you can make it work

[gaunt palm]

even just the one bird in pull2 has a few kills on us

[vivid vessel]

Ye

It's so hard without nameplate cd

[near rock]

ok confirmed they are infinite

just rng

[vivid vessel]

You always have a tick goes off anyway

[near rock]

👍

[gaunt palm]

And like 3 other dots in same pull, gotta react fast

we dont play again untill friday... sadge

[cinder relic]

Bro idts

Too much random haste off pieces exist

[random stirrup]

its just a lot of math. you have a cap of 900 crests (+50 from cracked keystone and nullaeus that are over cap). Each item slot costs 80 to go from 276 to 289/285 (for crafts)

you have 8 bonus rolls guaranteed as of this reset to spam in seat or something, if you're a 2H spec you just have the crests and slots between bonus rolled myth items and crafts to guarantee 285

you do need to bonus roll into a 2H myth track weapon but that just requires picking the right dungeon

[gaunt palm]

So you can upgrade all your shit this week?

[slow granite]

yea so we 2 1h users dont have that kind of possibility

[random stirrup]

yes, if you aren't a 2H you need like 3 myth track items from vault/extra bonus rolls already to make up the difference

since crafting is less efficient than upgrading

this also just a strategy for someone who just came back to the game since the character you choose to do this on will certainly not be the most happy sending 8 bonus rolls into seat or whatever

unlikely for those to all be good items

its just to get achieve for your main guy (which is why u should pick a 2h spec if you gonna degen grind it out like that)

[slow granite]

i think atp imma just w8 1 week more

but tyvm

very usefull

[near rock]

if you are lucky and farm enough ye

[summer nimbus]

Is it possible to desync the chakram thrower on skyreach

[vivid vessel]

yes

i do it

just kidney one

like 1/2s after pulled

[near osprey]

we capped to just 1 item this week?

for ascendant

[soft abyss]

probably not

but not sure yet

[cinder relic]

I'm surprised the quest only gives you 1 for completion

[near rock]

no

[cinder relic]

I'd have thought they'd give you at least 1 full one off the rip

[near rock]

yo uare not

I have 8 shards already total

guildy has 0

its complete RNG

[cinder relic]

What re u even doing

[near rock]

but you can get all of them this week

[cinder relic]

Delves or dungeons

[near rock]

did all of lfr

now all of norm

raid seems best for time efficiency

[flint schooner]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent walrus]

Do you ideally want 4 set with non tier helm as outlaw/sin?

[proven ocean]

Hi

I’m cowboy ross

[formal thunder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/32YB14Sp2jFQjryKmxVjaR

[cinder relic]

If I'm doing lura ring and haste helmet, should I catalyst the chimerus belt

[formal thunder]

simmer droptimizer to find the MH that gives the smallest damage loss, but still sims worse than crafted. So I guess I just send crafted?

[ancient cobalt]

does it upgrade all slots or only some

[near rock]

are u asking about the voidcores

[ancient cobalt]

yaa

[gaunt phoenix]

i think upgrading regular weapon and then moving arcanoweave to wrists is a bit better https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nCoBbyrjAqzfMtMy4FTNPv

[ancient cobalt]

ok i got the quest what do i do to finish it fast omggg

[formal thunder]

ah true, forgot that I'd lose a embelishment this way

[solid citrus]

DK main (guessing unholy) while on Lock (guessing Demo)

Wow’s #1 audience

[random stirrup]

im sure deep down casual misses the days of triple law

[hollow kite]

yep he is on Demo

[formal thunder]

watch them roll a outlaw if it's ever meta and cry about their broken fingers

[long bramble]

guys

he s casualaddict

dont want to break it to you like this ahahahha

[random stirrup]

it's been so long the people don't know him anymore

[ancient cobalt]

oh it only does weapons and trinkets

dang

i have to use this mythic guidon then

i got no good 2nd trink

[craggy barn]

guess since infinite voidcores its not troll to use on crafted wep

[sage bronze]

oh are they not capped at 5 per week?

[hardy thicket]

they dont seem capped no

looks like you just randomly get them as cata charges

[keen belfry]

nope this is their ersion of turboboost, lotta player keys ran this week

[hardy thicket]

so like you can only use it on fully upgraded weapons right

and on trinkets

[uncut ginkgo]

trinks and weapons yes

[timber knoll]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PL9AdqhX4CKBcZW1?fight=11&type=casts&source=195&view=timeline any feedback appreciated

[ancient cobalt]

chat i havent gotten one in 2 t1 rituals

[formal knot]

youre getting one in the next one

[ancient cobalt]

i didngt

at least its fast af

[long bramble]

do anyone already have 298 items?

do i have to spam low keys?

[vivid vessel]

faster to do raid

like lfr normal hc

you can get up to 1 per boss so

[vocal birch]

how many orbs we need for get that upgrade?

[vivid vessel]

5\

[vocal birch]

like before? 3orbs for quest

oh

LFR

i believe.

[random crane]

what's the command for all the prekey optimizations?

[formal thunder]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[random crane]

makes sense ty

[fresh acorn]

got myth plume

[formal thunder]

did you convert them and still kept dropping shards?

or are you farming shards in case that they stopped dropping after conversion?

[near rock]

yes you can convert safely

they will still drop

[formal thunder]

nice

my m+ group is doubtful

they say no way Blizzard isn't timegating it

tbf, thought the same thing earlier

[dull geyser]

yo i got a myth verse mas 1H from vault i know terrible stats but i can craft an off peice with acanoweve and its better simming in 1T and 5T.. thoughts? or should i keep my crafted

dont wanna troll longterm

[hallow holly]

how many haste is perfect for outlaw ?

[uncut crown]

I’ve been using a Guidon trinket from when I was playing sub, but just got a mythic track heart of wind.

Is heart of wind or guidon simming better for outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

guidon might be just barely ahead

[reef forge]

so is it confirmed we can farm the upgrades and get them all week 1?

[uncut crown]

I had been running solar and guidon but just got heart of wind.
Saying it’s probably worth just sticking with what I have? All items are myth track

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[uncut crown]

Thank you

[dull geyser]

can anyone help me with my gear question?

[rugged wigeon]

why is slice and dice used in the opener but then not in the priority list for aoe?

[formal knot]

dispatch passively activates more slice and dice uptime, but you don't want to use it as the first finisher

[glass mortar]

u can always ask and someone is bound to answer

[glass mortar]

u use it in the opener to avoid wasting a supercharger CP on dispatch

it is never cast rotationally outside that

(because dispatch applies and maintains it for the rest of the time)

[formal thunder]

is there a way to sim which buff to take in Academy?

[rugged wigeon]

ahh ok ty

[rugged wigeon]

on the wowhead opener its the first finsisher used after adrenelin rush

[dull geyser]

I got a myth verse mas 1H from vault i know terrible stats but i can craft an off peice with acanoweve and its better simming in 1T and 5T.. thoughts? or should i keep my crafted
dont wanna troll longterm

[formal knot]

slice and dice yes, i meant dispatch like weran said, snd doesn't spend the supercharged CP

[unkempt cypress]

P

[harsh quartz]

you guys using 2x eyes of the eagle on rings?

[keen belfry]

whatever this is this voidcore system is ass

[glass mortar]

ye

[keen belfry]

is this worse than turbo shit?

[glass mortar]

ur ass

😠

stinky a

at least u only need to do it for 4 items

thats it right.....

[keen belfry]

this is bad!

[vocal birch]

probably

[opal raptor]

Does it make sense to use ascendant voidcore on myth crafted weapon (spellbreakers blade)?

[keen belfry]

ye

[zinc drift]

When you get BtE resets... do you just send them or build back up to 6 combo first?

[upper hawk]

6+ for BTE always

[true light]

even as fatebound?

[vocal birch]

y

[vagrant kettle]

how are u farming the ascendant voidshards?

[vocal birch]

LFR

is the best way i guess

[river wren]

Hey guys ! I'm sure if what i'm doing in M+ is good. When do you use burst potient ? Only when you've got preparation up ?

[hardy thicket]

you mean combat potion?

[upper hawk]

what have i done wrong to make raidbots say this?

[real shoal]

guys is tricks bugged? i have the right talents but it only lasts 30 seconds on Valeera

[thorny zinc]

the initial buff is 30 seconds before u hit smth then an hr if ur on trickster

[upper hawk]

oh yeah

[mighty pivot]

wrong ilvl

[uncut karma]

wait so after i do it for the first time in a dungeon ill always throw threat to tank?

[mighty pivot]

yes

including if the tank dies and respawns in narnia

[keen belfry]

/acdm

whoops

srory guys

[odd flax]

is the ascendant voidcore bugged? i use it on my crafted weapon but it doesnt do anything. I get the animation for half a second then nothing

[latent forge]

im coming from assasination - do i have to cast snd as outlaw?

[bronze badge]

better up weapon or trinket chim mm 298 ?

[uncut karma]

also if i play all specs should i use the nilhammer on a dagger so every spec gets to use the weapon

[random stirrup]

Supposedly only works on weapons crafted after the .5 patch

[odd flax]

no shot

[dull geyser]

is it cooked to take myth 1H from vault with not great stats but you can craft arcanoweave in other slot?

[real shoal]

im having a Mandela effect rn, what i mean is when i use tricks on Valeera it shows on her 30 seconds then it goes away, was it always like that? i always thought it shows 1 hour for them too

as in the buff under their hp

[mighty pivot]

ty NA bros for beta testing once more

[dull geyser]

i asked like 3. times to no avail :/

[mighty pivot]

you need to hit something within those 30s. this is not new. Once you hit something it activates the threat transfer for 1h (without that talent this part only lasts 6s)

[glass mortar]

sorry i stepped away by the time someone answered

[real shoal]

efect works fine i just mean the buff icon

[glass mortar]

i mean if it sims as an upgrade its an upgrade, not sure i fully understand the question

the only "good" stated MH im aware of this season is alleria mythic sword, so if u will have access to that u could wait

[dull geyser]

like do secondary stats matter long term? on main hand etc

[glass mortar]

but it also appears like we have as many of these upgrade voidcores as we want maybe?

well whats long term

you are equipping a maximum ilvl for the season item

yes secondaries matter but the only thing thats gunna replace it is another mythic mh with bis stats

how likely are you to get a mythic alleria sword?

[dull geyser]

somewhat likely it’s more of a is 285 with better stats with voidforge long term better than myth 289 with better stats

is all

it sims a tad better so i will go with it

[glass mortar]

yup just trust the calculator. its not like you are going to get an item that makes the crafted mh better again all of a sudden

the only thing thats gunna replace that mh is a different mh with the better stats

[pliant pine]

is dispatch used also 6+ CP or 5+?

for trickster

[glass mortar]

6+

[lucid sparrow]

@vivid vessel

are u using exboss

[indigo hornet]

289 Mh crit verse over crafted?

[latent forge]

im coming from assasination - do i have to cast snd as outlaw?

[upper hawk]

if there's not a way to have it up in advance like pre-key nonsense, it's worth getting it up immediately yeah

but that's the only time you cast it

[latent forge]

i mean, it's basically a passive with assa

[upper hawk]

on open. dispatch applies/extends it like envenom, but you can go a long time in opener without pressing dispatch

[latent forge]

not with outlaw then?

ah ok

thanks

[smoky venture]

@vivid vessel I see you run mythic Light company Guidon / Gaze.

My sims say run Mythic Gaze / heroic Plume over mythic light company guidon. Is Plume sim bait?

[ancient cobalt]

guys im using 2 bonus rolls on seat of the triumvurate

i will get this fuckin hat

[upper hawk]

also snd doesn't use up supercharger, so you can use it on open and still get 2 sc BTE

[uncut karma]

is dispatch or sinister strike based off mainhand damage or can i voidforge my offhand dagger so when i rotate specs each one gets the goated wep

[upper hawk]

the ascendant things don't seem to be capped. just upgrade everything. but offhand ilvl isn't nearly as valuable as mainhand for outlaw. upgrading a strong trinket would probably do more for outlaw than the offhand

[hardy thicket]

like

the robot will answer these questions for you, just sim it

[upper hawk]

yeah, doing just the offhand was 1.5% for sub and 0.5% for outlaw. and an outlaw weapon was 1.4% for outlaw and 0.0% for sub

so... depends on your priorities i guess

[sly oasis]

I got a question, do i always let killingspree channel time finish? Or do i end it early if i have 6+ combo points for any other finisher

[hardy thicket]

u can cancel it if you reach full energy which is uh not that often in my experience

other than that no

just take a moment of breather while it channels

[sly oasis]

even if i have BTE or blade charge up? or whatever its called

[hardy thicket]

yes the current cancel condition is only if you cap on energy afaik

[sly oasis]

bet ty

[hardy thicket]

From the FAQ:
KS itself can be canceled with a builder/finisher (the next priority action) if you hit max energy during the channel. KS damage is not all that impressive and has random targeting so it's common that people want to cancel it, however it is generally worth to let it finish.

[arctic hollow]

My sim numbers Ascended crafted offhand 0.1% under ascended Gaze of the Alnseer so it's not that big a deal

[upper hawk]

the drop rates sound like they're not ridiculously low according to the wow head article. i'm just going to do dagger then outlaw mainhand then other dagger then trinkets unless i finally get a mythic gaze

[uncut karma]

wait we arent locked to 1 upgrade every week or two?

[sly oasis]

i made this rogue as an alt and i got both dagger from POS and outlaw mainhand from m+ within 6 rolls XD Pretty lucky i guess

[upper hawk]

apparently not

[vocal birch]

i believe each week

[grave rose]

noticed a lot of outlaws using guidon.

Any reason why?

[timid portal]

simming better for them

[grave rose]

gotcha, do we just macro it into AR?

[upper hawk]

is based on anything? i've definitely seen confirmation that you can get more than 5 shards per week

[timid portal]

probably just press on cd

or when energy is oom

[uncut karma]

back in dragonflight i had different trinkets simming better for me than what murloc said and then a couple weeks later they were all wearing what i had

[hardy thicket]

Its just a pretty easy to access mythic trinket that beats out HC options in most cases

[upper hawk]

https://x.com/Zorthas/status/2054270843056959713?s=20

Zorthas (@Zorthas)

Ascendant upgrades are NOT time-gated

- 5 shards to upgrade one item (2h included)
- No cap on shard acquisition

Sources for shards:
- Raid Bosses: ~1/3 chance estimate
- Ritual Sites: ~1/5 chance estimate
- Bountiful Delves with key
- Weekly Nightmare Preys
- M+ any level

X · May 12, 2026, 6:41 PM

[sly oasis]

meaning, we can get both weps and trinks in a day of farming? Or am i just dumb?

[upper hawk]

that's how i read it

[sly oasis]

thats how i understand it as well

[cinder relic]

You can yeah

Gonna be a lot of farming tho

[upper hawk]

imagine using 2 handers. must be nice

[indigo hornet]

no caps at all at how many upgrades you can get?

[upper hawk]

no just do it quick before they realize it. and cap it before the EU reset

[arctic hollow]

Tomorrow will be a great time to gear an alt, just RL a normal voidspire and loads of people needing no gear will be there

[vagrant kettle]

we have a bis main hand or we just care about the ilvl? (my main hand mythic have haste/mastery stats)

I don't want to mess it up with the upgrade

[indigo hornet]

myth track b barbed necklace or 289 MH? have crafted MH

[cinder relic]

is it timewalking this week

[uncut karma]

you know what the response is

[light mural]

hey
How can I filter stuff in warcraftlogs ?
I want to know how many spenders I sent with less than 5CP
And how many builder I used at 6 oportnity stacks 🙂

[slow granite]

Sorry guys. how can i remove (if poss) the aoe effect of the smoke bomb?

i can't see shit

xD

[jolly geyser]

wod tw

[upper hawk]

type="cast"
AND ability.name="Sinister Strike"
AND IN RANGE FROM
type="applybuffstack"
AND ability.name="Opportunity"
AND stack=6
TO
type="removebuffstack"
AND ability.name="Opportunity"
AND stack=5
GROUP BY source
ON source
END

i think that will show you sinister strikes cast at 6 opportunity stacks

seems to work on my logs. chatgpt said to do that

it also says you shoule be able to do that with pins and like apply when aura exists settings, and you don't need to know weird warcraft logs query syntax, but I couldn't figure out how to get that to work. that query does seem to work.

[light mural]

Ty

[indigo hornet]

🙁 sims tell me neck, feels told me weap

[arctic hollow]

Do you plan to voidcore Saron? Because it has a lot of bis. Weapon is a lot harder to loot imo, except if you get Saladar weapon

Voidcore for weapon in m+ gets you a lot of useless things. Fishing for neck just lands you bis even if you miss

Of course I'm biased because I spent 6 voidcores in PoS

[ancient cobalt]

holy shit my alt got hero and myth of the dawn at the same time

[craggy barn]

hmm

[inland acorn]

You can't fully, best you can do is lower particle density graphic setting, but keep in mind if set too low or disabling it can sometimes make some mechanics/swirlies not render...

[craggy barn]

hmm

should i take myth weapon or myth vor ring

[indigo hornet]

ngl I already have like 4 rolls in, il prob get neck this week

thats why im debating of just taking a 289 mh (its crit verse too)

[daring yoke]

hehe

[ancient cobalt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

this shit is really bad

[spark quarry]

whats the net % gain for outlaw's 4set?

[vivid vessel]

only 4set ?

or also 2

[spark quarry]

2+4

from 0 to 4

[vivid vessel]

actually i forgot

[spark quarry]

XD

but is it big?

[vivid vessel]

was it 4%

i think its 4% in st

and a bit more in aoe

like 6 or whatever

[spark quarry]

okay

[vivid vessel]

its not a bad tier set tho

[spark quarry]

thanks alot ;]

[vivid vessel]

most tier set are like that

this season

its just like average in st

and good in aoe

[spark quarry]

came back to outlaw from DF and man, im either getting old or the rotation is more proc reliant than before

[proven ocean]

Guys

I dont care about wednesday resets

Meanwhile u eu guys are like OKGOMGOMGG RESET

me no wow no vault

[vivid vessel]

ok but

its like christmas

every week

so?

your loss no

[gusty dew]

Hi zac

[vivid vessel]

Hi Caustic Spatter Enjoyer

[gusty dew]

Guten morgen❤️

[radiant wyvern]

L

[vivid vessel]

auf viedersheen

or uh

auf viderSSeen

or like big B

i think

idk

i dont have the big B

[gusty dew]

β or something

[radiant wyvern]

why do european make all the house music

[vivid vessel]

ye whatever that hting

[gusty dew]

Idk either

[spark quarry]

another question regarding BTE procs, if i end up on 5 CP after BTE reset, do i SS to make it 7 or do i send until its on cd?

[vivid vessel]

ss yes

[gusty dew]

Ss yes

[spark quarry]

yes

thank

[gusty dew]

Bte 6+ right？

[vivid vessel]

yes yes

[proven ocean]

Why everyweek when i have it everyday?

[gusty dew]

[proven ocean]

Dont L me bald cat guy..

[vivid vessel]

do you tho

[radiant wyvern]

not a guy
L

[gusty dew]

Quick question zac

[proven ocean]

Ye

[gusty dew]

Gouge

[proven ocean]

If i had ur cat i’d sell it by paying money to the buyer cuz of how ugly it is

Thoughts?

[radiant wyvern]

none

[proven ocean]

See

[vivid vessel]

its cause i think aoe ccs are kinda useless this season you have legit 1 caster per pack

[proven ocean]

Someone reacted based

[radiant wyvern]

look into my eyes

[vivid vessel]

and gouge just let me have 2 ccs instead of one

also very often we use blind to cc an add for funnel

[proven ocean]

Can i put a fork in it

[vivid vessel]

like an incap

or whatever

[gusty dew]

Is gouge specifically better in Seat？

[vivid vessel]

hm

[gusty dew]

Cuz that tentacle thing

[vivid vessel]

its quite useless in seat actually

[radiant wyvern]

disturbed individual ?

[gusty dew]

❤️

[vivid vessel]

there is legit no casters

but yes you can blind a tentacle

[gusty dew]

Thanks man

[proven ocean]

im a caster zac

[vivid vessel]

so you have one less tentacle to deal with

its quite good

[proven ocean]

How about that

[proven ocean]

Hi rem

No

Np*

[gusty dew]

[dim parrot]

What % dps is MH upgrade i too lazy to sim rn

8 iLvls seems kinda cheeks

[vivid vessel]

enough to be bis

upgrade main hadn

alwyas the best slot

[dim parrot]

Yeah but do I push keys before doing it

If 1% I cba

Ok I sim

[long bramble]

fastest way to drop this shards?

[formal thunder]

tier 1 Ritual Site apparently

go in with 2 people, one gets right side mini bosses, the other left

only a few minutes per run

[steel shadow]

was doing that in a group of 5, like 1 min runs and it seemed like every 5-8~ runs one player got one

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel @proven ocean i have huge news guys

like life changing news

[astral ermine]

are we able to upgrade just 1 item to 298?

[quaint mauve]

you can do all 4 i believe

i believe

[astral ermine]

damnn time to grind next reset

[vivid vessel]

tell me

assa delete ?

[quaint mauve]

has your life changed

[vivid vessel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-cat-osmangif-ai-ylo5hlZ3bTTKtAkEE9

nice cat lil bro

[trail cape]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hearty heath]

hello can i ask question is fatebound outlaw still aviable? trickster feels way to overhelming as first time rogue getting to dungs

[quaint mauve]

trickster is 1-5% better

[dawn tundra]

Vault's here. I can either get an upgrade for Shoulders or a Myth track Chest. Which should I go for?

[blissful gate]

shim it

the answer is always sim

unless you are vibes based

then take whatever your heart desires

i cant open my vault for 2 days…

🫡

[strong halo]

whats our best 1h weapon if we dont raid?

[blissful gate]

its going to be the shit chim trinket again anyway

[dawn tundra]

I'm thinking that if I go the chest route, I'd be going without a token for two weeks to upgrade a pair of Hero pants I have, where as if I get the shoulders, I miss out on the Myth track piece, but I'd get two pieces of Hero track gear.

So the question becomes: Do I get more, but lesser gear or do I get less, but better gear?

[blissful gate]

my advice: look at what you are currently clearing, if any of those options could drop what you can get from vault, hold until
you do those things

[dawn tundra]

I've been doing M+ mostly. That said, it IS Draenor Timewalking.

[blissful gate]

i would say take your myth tracks from vault if you are only doing m+ and not mythic raids

and only after spending your rerolls

[dawn tundra]

Rerolls?

[strong halo]

anyone know?

[inland acorn]

he means bonus rolls

[dawn tundra]

Bonus rolls?

[inland acorn]

[dawn tundra]

Oh, do you guys mean that weird Void stuff?

[blissful gate]

uh sure

[inland acorn]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/midnight/the-voidforge-patch-12-0-5-bonus-loot-rolls-upgrades

[strong halo]

Is it xenus mace?

[dawn tundra]

Oh yeah. I stopped doing this.

[inland acorn]

Probably yes, other weapons are cheeks

[inland acorn]

[compact zealot]

ill be honest it sounds like it probably doesn't matter what you choose lol

[strong halo]

is it better than crafted though?

[quaint mauve]

pretty sure the only weapons you’d want are the crit vers ones

[blissful gate]

i would start doing these again as its now 8 potential myth track bonus rolls from +10 keys

if you care that is

[strong halo]

i have crafted main hand so idk if i send some rolls in Xenus for mace

[inland acorn]

You could you know...

Sim it...

[strong halo]

well sim doesnt take into consideration % chance of loot from rolls and your pool

[inland acorn]

Your bonus rolls

Will mean jackshit in 3 weeks probably

Unless you've been giga unlucky with loot

[dawn tundra]

I legit have only really been unlucky with a lack of weapons.

[compact zealot]

have you crafted?

[dawn tundra]

Currently, I'm running the Abyss Blade and some random Hero Mace. Also, no.

[inland acorn]

Also it still doesn't mean

That you can't sim to see difference between crafted vs myth MH

And then decide, if you want to spend rolls on it, or something else

[dawn tundra]

The issue is I don't think I can sim. Simming would require the Gmail account that's tied to the WoW account and that's my Dad. We share WoW and he doesn't care about simming or anything like that.

[compact zealot]

simming doesn't require any of that

[inland acorn]

I meant that as response to shotty

But your case could also use a sim

Also you don't need account to sim yourself

[dawn tundra]

How does one sim?

[inland acorn]

It will just be in queue, and slow

[compact zealot]

You get the simc addon and go to https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear for in depth sims

[lean shadow]

is the 40% crit rule count umbral plume?

since itll go down

[vivid vessel]

there is no 40% crit rule

[swift otter]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[dawn tundra]

It looks like SimC doesn't work currently.

[grave cave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C3bWD41xaMFRvLrw?fight=1

can someone tell me how bad i am

[dawn tundra]

You beat time.

That's all that matters, at least to me.

[formal thunder]

looking at damage breakdown doesn't look too far off

probably could hit BTE a bit more often

[pure folio]

u did ur entire opener with no rtb?

ur sending stuff at 5cps

u cast pistol shot with no opportunity stacks

[tacit dome]

are we using ambush? and rtb is it falling off before the next click if 3+ or jackpot?

[formal thunder]

remove ambush from your bars

[pure folio]

u do not use ambush

[formal thunder]

and rtb, if I have 3+ I let it run out completely, trying to squeeze a last finisher in

[pure folio]

u let the buff fall off always unless its a one buff, or youre going to crunch a LD and at 2 buff

[tacit dome]

cool thank ya!

[outer meteor]

anyone know why i dont have the crest discount even tho i got the myth achievment?

[normal hawk]

Relog

[dawn tundra]

So SimC is incompatible. Do I just go with which I think is better or do I coinflip it?

[pure folio]

u dont have it for any gear slot?

[outer meteor]

nop

[formal thunder]

did you try relogging?

[inland acorn]

what do you mean incompatible ?

[pure folio]

the way i understood it working was u need 285 achieve and 6/6myth in the slot u want to discount for your alt

[formal thunder]

iirc was a thing in TWW that you needed to relogg for it to register correctly

[pure folio]

rings and trinkets needing both 6/6 to apply the discount

[dawn tundra]

I looked in my addons and it said it was incompatible.

[inland acorn]

Did you download it, or did you had it already installed ?

[dawn tundra]

I downloaded it from Curseforge.

[inland acorn]

Does it look like this, in your curseforge ?

[dawn tundra]

No. I just got SimC.

[inland acorn]

?

I'm confused

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft

[dawn tundra]

Yeah.

[inland acorn]

Oh you manually downloaded it

[dawn tundra]

I didn't get that. I just saw someone recommend I get SimC.

[inland acorn]

[dawn tundra]

SimC as in the Addon SimC.

Ohit'scalledSimcompare.

Fuck I'm dense.

[inland acorn]

[normal hawk]

Huh

[dawn tundra]

Yeah no, the addon I got was called Sim Compare.

[inland acorn]

Nps, get the above one

[dawn tundra]

Downloaded it from Curseforge. Now what?

[inland acorn]

in-game, make sure it's enabled

then type in chat /simc

you should get window like this

[dawn tundra]

I did and I copied the text that came up.

[inland acorn]

Good

Now paste it in https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

Or in droptimizer tab, depending what you want to sim

Top gear is used to sim gear pieces you have on you/ in your bags to see what is best combination

Droptimizer is used to sim, your current gear vs what you can possibly loot in dungeons/raid/craft

[copper skiff]

do any one know why combo points bug disseper some times ?

like the just vanish mid fight

[near osprey]

we getting an extra ascendent v oidcoire next week right? were not capped at 4?

[dawn tundra]

Aight.

[rough oriole]

you know whats actually super cringe

not getting a reset on your first BtE thats supercharged

[dawn tundra]

Yeah, it's telling me to get a helmet I don't need. I think I'mma leave it to a coin-toss.

[inland acorn]

Can you link it

[dawn tundra]

Lemme just do it again.

[inland acorn]

If you link it, I can check if you set it up correctly

[dawn tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bHbRfwewbpLLr7wJoEkMNN

[inland acorn]

Ok, so this is great vault sim yes ?

And you want to sim it for single target ?

[nocturne shuttle]

enjoyable game 30 voidcores for both outlaw and sub

fire whoever came up with this at blizzard

[outer meteor]

well that was fun

[robust vessel]

how

where

when

why

[dawn tundra]

Eh... I mean, I don't switch between single target and the other one all that much, so, yeh.

[inland acorn]

Ok, so

When you sim great vault

They will most likely come as dps loss

This is because, you're most likely simming it against fully upgraded hero/myth tracks (usually)

So, if you want to see full potential of each of those options from vault

You need to click this plus here, and upgrade it to max

[wintry solar]

Game fun again?

[inland acorn]

Now, in your profile case, you don't have enough crests (currently, I doubt you have used your season cap so far)

So, to still be able to sim this, you scroll a little up, and click max all

[dawn tundra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/by86YsNnXzCk8D6wqSUmS6

[inland acorn]

Well, this certainly looks better now

[vivid vessel]

I can't wait to wake up and have to run dogshit content for 5 hours to upgrade my things

[inland acorn]

Also something worth mentioning here, you're simming helmet from great vault, which you actually have right now (it's just not fully upgraded )

[dawn tundra]

Yeh. It's telling me to get the two Hero things.

[inland acorn]

yeah, it's telling you to pick set shoulders and upgrade your pants

[dawn tundra]

Aight.

[radiant wyvern]

[earnest sphinx]

The NA test subjects will find the best strat 2 farm it

[inland acorn]

they already did

[earnest sphinx]

Wats the move

[inland acorn]

T1 rituals

[wintry solar]

[inland acorn]

Wouldn't be surprised if they nerf it before EU reset though

[glass mortar]

i mean

should this really even be a limited resource

maybe in the first week or two ig

after that might as well just let people upgrade all they shit and alts fast tho

idk why something like this would need a slow aquisition its even weaker then turbo boost

[rough oriole]

its not limited

[inland acorn]

Gotta keep those numbers up

[rough oriole]

its just grindy

as fuck

for no reason

you can and people have upgraded both weapons and both trinkets already

[inland acorn]

wdym no reason

There is very clear reason

To keep up engagement numbers

Keep subs up

[vivid vessel]

Ye and it's 5 h of t1 rituals

I can't believe we have to do that kind of shit every season

I preferred having to farm crest

When they uncap it

At least I could upgrade from the lower ones

Instead of doing 500 keys

[inland acorn]

ye it's cheeks

[rough oriole]

i love that you can run dungeons if you want

but youre given 1

and its not even promised

ZS

XD*

[vivid vessel]

Ye you only need to run 40 dungeons or whatever

It's fine

I time 5 keys a week

Maybe in 20 weeks I get it

[inland acorn]

The numbers for investor meetings will look nice though zac

[vivid vessel]

It's fine bro

[hollow bloom]

I remember when an item was an item, and when i got it i didnt need X amount of currency from doing X number of tomfoolery to upgrade it X amount of times to be optimal.

[vivid vessel]

Imma wake up at 8 am tomorrow

Do lfr

Into normal

Into heroic

Into spam T1 shitter content all day

So I can do keys at night

What a banger

[inland acorn]

All this to upgrade

1 item

[cerulean portal]

what r we talking about? why farm rituals?

[inland acorn]

maybe

[rough oriole]

i mean no

zac is going for all 4 items

lol

[inland acorn]

Ye

Would be funny tho

If he didn't get enough for all 4

[cinder relic]

farmable easy content for the voidcore

[cerulean portal]

the 298 upgrader?

[rough oriole]

yes

[cinder relic]

yep

[cerulean portal]

wat

hell nah

i farmed heroic crests last week

im done

[inland acorn]

Why

Lol

[cinder relic]

Ull get like 5 from a raid clear

So

[rough oriole]

just heroic crests?

[cerulean portal]

i didnt get it

i get 5 per week?

[rough oriole]

no

[inland acorn]

you need 5 to upgrade

[rough oriole]

they are infinitely farmable

[cerulean portal]

WAT

[inland acorn]

No limit

[cerulean portal]

NO LIMIT?!

[inland acorn]

I mean

[rough oriole]

you just get on average 5 on a single raid clear

[cerulean portal]

ok i farm rituals

[inland acorn]

There is limit how many you can hold I think

But you can farm it forever

[cerulean portal]

ok stupid question

can i upg heroic ones?

[vivid vessel]

Ye you just need to clear the raid 4 times

[inland acorn]

yes

[vivid vessel]

To upgrade your gear

[cerulean portal]

wat

[vivid vessel]

Totally normal content

[inland acorn]

max hero or myth track

[cinder relic]

vs having to do 20 keys on reset day to get full turbo boost gear

[vivid vessel]

I love when blizzard release new fun stuffs to do

[inland acorn]

Where is this screenshot

[vivid vessel]

Could bank the low c'est

Crests

[inland acorn]

of Realz telling zac he is never happy

[vivid vessel]

I was banking low crests every season

And was done in 2 keys

[cinder relic]

even if u were banking crests it only saved u so much time

U still has to spend infinite time lol

[vivid vessel]

It saved me lot of time

Not on my main no

But then again

It was also bad

I mean in S3 I was legit full gear before the uncap

[inland acorn]

I feel like I've banked enough crests to cut the farm for turbo boost by like almost half

And i was wasteful with crests

[vivid vessel]

There won't be turbo boost

Or wdym

[inland acorn]

the S3 tww

[vivid vessel]

Ah ye

[cinder relic]

In S3 people also said "Why are they timegating the turbo boost crests why not uncap it right away"

[vivid vessel]

Well idk in S3 tww I needed like 2 keys bro

[vivid vessel]

I mean look

I think it's shit

To have to wait till week 30 of a season

To start doing keys

I think it's also shit to have to farm some meaningless content for 10 h straight on reset day

[glass mortar]

unfortunatly ur game mode is at odds with their desires as a company

[vivid vessel]

And I'm sure there is a solution

[inland acorn]

I mean I agree, it does suck for people pushing keys

[vivid vessel]

To that

[inland acorn]

For casuals tho it doesn't really matter

[glass mortar]

which is to do things to keep players engaged throughout the season

[inland acorn]

And casuals are main audience

[glass mortar]

L infinite scaling content

[keen belfry]

i lost the 50/50 roll on gaze

smh

[vivid vessel]

Noob

I won my 1/3 roll for the ring

Imma win my 1/3 on belo trinket aswell

Actually I'm getting belo trinket in vault

Don't even need to reclear

[keen belfry]

this been my worst luck of my career

this tier

no loot no cap

[vivid vessel]

Maybe I need to pug beloren next week awang

Thoughts

My guild doesn't wanna reclear belo maybe

First week

Just do alleria

Idk

[inland acorn]

are belo reclears that hard ?

[vivid vessel]

Surely beloren is puggable by now

[vivid vessel]

Bro

I legit think

It's free now

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

I swear you can pug it

Easier than chaemarus

[inland acorn]

nah pugging it is a cap

[vivid vessel]

[inland acorn]

stream pug belo

I want to see you lose your mind

[random stirrup]

we had a guy who was full upgraded right on reset by trading up

[cinder relic]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/100-drop-rate-on-ascendant-voidshards-starting-tomorrow-381595

Oh hey look

[vivid vessel]

Thank you for beta testing na cucks

Right on time for eu reset

@near rock loser

[random stirrup]

they nerfed tier 1 ritual sites

gg

how we will do it now

[inland acorn]

hero raid

hold W

be done in 30

[glass mortar]

its delve o clock.....

[vivid vessel]

Ok when is later tomorrow btw

I need

Don't tell me I have to farm It anyway tomorrow

To do keys tomorrow night

[inland acorn]

or delve 11 if it's the one in zul'aman

where you can stealth past 99% of delve

[vivid vessel]

Just cause they can't switch a button now

[gray summit]

What is it ???

[cinder relic]

its the vountiful chest

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

Not just delves

[inland acorn]

ah ye bountiful

gg

Raid heroic it is

[cinder relic]

Or just like, a key

[vivid vessel]

Can't wait to wake up tomorrow and it's not 100% yet

20 keys

[gray summit]

8´why we wilk farm mm+ ?

[vivid vessel]

So 10 h

Only

[inland acorn]

I could run some pits for extra rolls

[cinder relic]

Zac on his way to move the goalpost on complaining

[gray summit]

I dont understand well

[vivid vessel]

Already did

[cinder relic]

4 bountifuls takes like 30 mins

including flight time lol

[vivid vessel]

Now I'm complaining about having to still do it

Before it's hot fixed

Cause they aren't hot fixing it instantly

[near rock]

[gray summit]

But we only can

[vivid vessel]

So I have to do it tomorrow anyway pre hotfix

[gray summit]

Up main weapon 298 next week

[inland acorn]

and trinkets

[vivid vessel]

When I know it will be hotfixed

[gray summit]

So after 5 mm+?

[inland acorn]

and OH

[cerulean portal]

wdym tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

Like in 8 h

[cerulean portal]

its in 3 hours no?

[vivid vessel]

When I wake up

[cerulean portal]

oh that

[gray summit]

Wait

Are you kinding me

Its no cap ????

[vivid vessel]

I mean based on the wording of their thing

[cinder relic]

NO CAP

[vivid vessel]

It won't be hotfixed till actually tomorrow

So

[gaunt phoenix]

no capo

[gray summit]

WAIT WAT

[inland acorn]

no cap

[vivid vessel]

Idk when tomorrow is

[inland acorn]

frfr

[gray summit]

NO CAP

[cerulean portal]

SO

I FARM TILL I DIE

[elder sonnet]

zac complaining about wording now 😄

[vivid vessel]

I would think tomorrow is just after I spend 5 h farming it

[gray summit]

so tomorrow its 298 trinkets + weapons ?????

[cerulean portal]

and then they fix it and take back all i farmed?

[gray summit]

Its BROKEN

[cerulean portal]

is that what u saying xd

[inland acorn]

Where is that screenshot of Realz saying zac is never happy

It would fit so well rn

[cinder relic]

wow players when they have to play world of warcraft

[vivid vessel]

Ye but they delay the fix so eu has to farm as well

[vivid vessel]

I play wow more than you tho

I just don't vibe with

Doing shit content

[nocturne shuttle]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

All day

For these things

I just wanna do the content I enjoy

[cinder relic]

well u dont have to do dogshit content anymore

[elder sonnet]

just have him login with 20 voidshards and all is well

[cerulean portal]

its transmog+voidcores

[vivid vessel]

Well I do

[cerulean portal]

u feel better now?

[vivid vessel]

It won't be hotfixed till tomorrow

So I assume that falls under day 2 of reset

Which is too late for someone like me you know

That wanna do keys day 1

Cause I'm addicted

To world of warcraft

[cerulean portal]

[thorny zinc]

just highroll the drops

then u can just pretend its fixed

[vivid vessel]

I will

[cerulean portal]

zac r u fat?

[vivid vessel]

No I'm decently lean

I don't exercice tho

[cerulean portal]

u r fine then

[vivid vessel]

So I'm just like

Nerd guy

[cerulean portal]

rly?

[vivid vessel]

Asmongold body type

You know the one

[cerulean portal]

i like nerds

[elder sonnet]

bald too??

[vivid vessel]

Thanks

[desert tendon]

zac is tall but thin

[craggy barn]

bald, skinny, trash

[vivid vessel]

Nah I have hairs

[desert tendon]

he aint bald, that's me

[cerulean portal]

tall skinny nerds

pls stop

[vivid vessel]

Ye that's me

I'm 190

[elder sonnet]

no way

you're not 190

[desert tendon]

for $1500 i leak zac face + voice

[cerulean portal]

omg marry me

[desert tendon]

🤙

[vivid vessel]

Why not

[elder sonnet]

why are you playing wow

go do basketball or something

[earnest sphinx]

Classic Na moment