and do x3 rolls on nexus
#outlaw
timid idol
quaint mauve
shoulda spent all your rolls on skyreach like me bro
timid idol
for myth main chance
quaint mauve
come on
timid idol
shoulda spent all your rolls on skyreach like me bro
i spent everything on pit
i can do x3 on nexus this week
fathom bramble
just get a wep in your vault
timid idol
just get a wep in your vault
or that
fathom bramble
100% chance
timid idol
if i get the maisara one i kms
fathom bramble
works everytime
timid idol
or actually\
i think magisters is worse
people were speaking of spec niches here
i was thinking
how come we dont have dual shield tank elden ring style
why do both prots gotta be the same
normal hawk
timid idol
i think it would look cool 
steel shadow
meta warlock tank
near osprey
cunning wraith
is there somewhere i can find a damage distribution to see how much my abilities should be doing?
tender wedge
You got OUTLAW!!!’d
devout garden
I luv ouwlaw 🥺
silent palm
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river wing
part of it is in how you do damage (different tempo, different profile, different resources - Blizz kinda suck at designing resources but the design itself is possible)
the other part is in utility and Blizz have purposefully nuked utility to be less impactful, Rogue just got the worst of it because all of its utility was either stripped away for DH passives, or actives that actually promoted the Rogue way of thinking (not playing by the rules - Smoke Bomb and Shroud both break the rules of the game if allowed to be fully functional)
but most classes kinda lost some of their utility at some point
and if you stop caring about balance (and give the team actual devtime instead of this 18-month BS cycle)
then you can EASILY have utility for every single spec in the game, it just won't be completely unique (but you can probably limit most tools to 3-4 specs at a time)
river wing
tanks are fine this season
not sure if sarcasm tbh ngl
long bramble
not sure if sarcasm tbh ngl
tank players *
river wing
oh, tank players seem to be getting progressively more deranged
long bramble
like at least for my experience tank shortage lowered the average iq of pug tanks below 0
indigo token
you laugh blizzard nerfs outlaw
desert tendon
grim spear
part of it is in how you do damage (different tempo, different profile, differen...
idk i just feel like wow doesn't have that magic anymore.
i don't feel like i'm being my character anymore, and i don't feel like i'm on an adventure.
cinder relic
Its a very different game now
rough oriole
^
cinder relic
Thats why classic exists lol
rough oriole
Classic 
river wing
idk i just feel like wow doesn't have that magic anymore.
i don't feel like i'm...
ah, well, that's another thing entirely IMO
I haven't felt the sense of adventure in WoW since idk, Cata
faint pendant
post-legion wow is basically wow 2.0
grim spear
Thats why classic exists lol
nope, classic is just a dead shell that's no longer evolving
river wing
like I'm doing some TBC levelling with friends these days
and it's hilarious how much better it is as "the adventure" game
even despite the fact that we know most of it by heart, it still has some of the magic
cinder relic
nope, classic is just a dead shell that's no longer evolving
Thats why classic + is in development
river wing
retail has no magic, it's just a decent game to do stuff in, like I enjoy raiding and doing keys with my peeps, but I also don't feel nearly the same attachment
crude anchor
league players do the same thing
"this game sucks, ihate it"
everyday
and still queue up
its an addiction man just put it down if ur not enjoying it
(not saying u specifically) just cihming in btw
grim spear
Idk man U just hate wow
no, i don't hate retail. maybe i'm just a little nostalgic
i think i can accept the adventure and rp feeling being secondary, less important
but now, how do i put it... i feel like they just don't care about it AT ALL
and i don't think that's right
river wing
tbh I quit League once I grasped the basic idea of how it works
it goes something like this
if you are not a very good (like extremely good, better than top 1%) player
then your matches go one of four ways roughly equally overall, 25% each
- you lose, it's at least partially because of you (you fed, you didn't farm well enough, etc)
- you lose, it's despite you doing well (the other players fed before you could do anything, the teamfights got lost, etc)
- you win, it's despite you being bad
- you win and you carried at least your fair share
only one of these feels good, so why should I continue to play a game that's 75% miserable
grim spear
but hex aram is fun
river wing
but now, how do i put it... i feel like they just don't care about it AT ALL
weeeeell yeah I can agree current WoW feels very...by-the-numbers
cinder relic
I mean the game is just trying to do different things
PPl dont come to retail expecting or wanting that
river wing
and I think the current push to do very rapid-fire, short patches+expansions is part of that
they have zero time to either innovate or polish, both of which would help
cinder relic
Ppl come to retail for a gear treatmill and raid bosses/Dungeons
grim spear
i play retail because it's world of warcraft
i think blz wants some old players back too, otherwise they wouldn't make ads like a place to call home
idk
cinder relic
If they were to make it as you are describing, the entire game would need to be rstructred into something entierly different
The way classic era wow works, and the "adventure" and such exist, and how wow is now is literal light years apart
grim spear
well
dungeons and raids are fun now, and they used to be the adventure themselves
blz just doesn't care about the fantasy layer anymore
they only focus on what's 'most important.'
and that's why the game inevitably became more and more numbers only
tender wedge
They only focus on what gets your sub money
And we tell them what that is by paying or not paying it
tender wedge
I don’t disagree but like
People always say they miss things like old BRD, big explore, etc etc
My life has changed man I would literally NEVER have enough time to complete such content
Do you miss what wow used to be or do you miss who YOU used to be?
river wing
My life has changed man I would literally NEVER have enough time to complete suc...
ngl I'm looking forward to redoing BRD in full in a month or so
river wing
Do you miss what wow used to be or do you miss who YOU used to be?
naw, as someone who goes back to classic servers occasionally - it really is a different game that has a lot of value still, and I miss that value specifically because it isn't really available anywhere else
early FFXIV felt similar but less polished and more restricted
but that also kinda fell apart with power creep and exp creep making the overworld pointless around ShB
cinder relic
Why not let classic be classic and retail be retail
river wing
Why not let classic be classic and retail be retail
mostly because classic is a museum rather than a living thing
and I don't see blizz properly making classic+ that's worthwhile
tender wedge
I really enjoyed sod
river wing
the new quests and new secrets are nice, the runes and turning dungeons into raids you would farm were not
tender wedge
I do think it got over-retail-ized towards the end
Which does say something I suppose
I just enjoyed the chaos really
river wing
the thing that blizz still missed about classic with SoD
is that classic's best feature is the levelling and exploration
and raids are the worst
tender wedge
But the player base overwhelmingly tells them that’s what they want
New endgame stuff
river wing
yes, because they're not classic players
tender wedge
I don’t disagree with you btw
river wing
they're retail players coming into classic with retail mentalty
tender wedge
Yes
river wing
and that's why classic isn't really all that good without a party of friends who are content to go at your own pace
tender wedge
You need a broad appeal to get more players who pay their subs
cinder relic
You guys are so like, all or nothing sometimes
Why can't it be like
"Sod was cool in some ways and bad in others" (like literally any product)
You really think that like
Theres no chance classic plus will be anything worthwhile???
river wing
because sometimes it's a question of "would you like to mix petroleum and water"
both have their uses
but if they're mixed then you can't drink it and you can't fuel your car with it, either
river wing
Theres no chance classic plus will be anything worthwhile???
a very low chance IMO
pure folio
sod was super good
cinder relic
The exclusive sod raid in the last cycle was great
The runes, while janky, had a lot of cool quests related to them
That ofc comes with pros and cons but cmon
How aer we comparing this to "stuff you cant drink or fuel ur car"
Sod was great in a lot of ways lol
river wing
because it still lost the plot with all the raids and runes, IMO
so it's not like retail in terms of gameplay
but it's also not classic in terms of flow
it's a worse classic if you approach it like classic
and a much worse retail if you approach it like retail
pure folio
why can u not approach things like its own version of a game instead of constantly comparing it to something (that u dont even like)
river wing
the thing is
I like retail
and I like classic
for entirely different things
they basically have no overlap for me
but SoD was trying to make them overlap and did not succeed IMO
and I think Classic+ will likely be bad because it will be retail-ized with the majority of focus being on the endgame which is not what it needs
I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but that's the expectation I have
pure folio
Why do you think sod was trying to make them overlap
grim spear
Why not let classic be classic and retail be retail
because retail is the only thing that's still wow. classic is just a corpse.
pure folio
the game felt like classic just with new things to explore instead of the same 20 year old shit with different abilities/things to find.
its not like it tried to modernize the combat to retail at all
grim spear
there is only one wow that is retail
pure folio
or speed up the gearing process
cinder relic
why can u not approach things like its own version of a game instead of constant...
Literally
pure folio
the point of sod wasnt to make it classic2 or retail2
it was its own standalone thing
if u want x game u cant force something else to be it
river wing
the game felt like classic just with new things to explore instead of the same 2...
did not feel like classic to me, ngl
runes and shifting levelcap and turning half the dungeons into raids changed a lot about how it felt
pure folio
and say it sucks bc of that
cinder relic
Sod was a trail for a classic+ adjacent version of wow
pure folio
sod was genuinely one of the funnest things in wow
cinder relic
sod was super unique and cool
river wing
¯_(ツ)_/¯
eager hound
All 3 were ass to run normally
pure folio
its fair to be like awh man wow lost its immersion and stuff cuz it has and i too like the atmosphere and attachment to my toon in classic, but like go play ffxiv or something else if u want that
sod and retail arent mean to be that
fathom bramble
I found a secret to recapture the magic btw
don't look at the zones before release
and walk into the sick new zone(undermine)
completely fresh
pure folio
yea i never look at new content ahead of time i like being surprised
river wing
idk I'm not even looking at PTR for anything but class tuning and changes
I walk into dungeons and raids blind
the only things I knew about MN zones before going into MN was that there'd be four of them, that there'd be Eversong again, and some sort of Voidstorm zone also
cinder relic
I found a secret to recapture the magic btw
I had so mch fun with the campaign this expac
Every cutscene
every stay awhile
Music up
river wing
naw
can't agree on the campaign
it was kinda trash
I keep telling myself I don't need to care about this, I'm here for raids and M+, but it is genuinely bad, like worse than in TWW and that was already not a high bar
then again I was never impressed with WoW's storytelling, like the very best story WoW ever told was vanilla Human 1-30 and even that is quite undercooked (though for understandable reasons, unlike a lot of later plots)
cinder relic
fathom bramble
Music up
the most important step
undermine was definitely my favorite in the last few tiers too for the music
the campaign this expac wasn't as fun as DF or TWW to me, but I enjoyed it well enough
river wing
harandar had decent music tbh
not something I'd associate with WoW but decent
Undermine was a v good zone overall, I think the best blizz have cooked up in a long time
raid was underwhelming (they really missed a lot of spectacle opportunities), but the actual zone was v good
Dimmy had an okay soundtrack too, it's like they tried to do FFXIV on a budget lmao
cinder relic
Having fun with the campaign =/= thinking the story was great btw
Just enjoying the vibe is part of the exp lol
fathom bramble
the fights in undermine were fun and had no aggregious tuning outliers
and zero weakaura bosses
at least no horribly intrusive ones
I still think sparkmaster or whatever his name was could have been designed slightly differently to avoid the 1 WA we did get
cinder relic
stix was overtuned week 1 but thats abt it
cinder relic
Undermine was well tuned
river wing
yeah mechanically I have no questions for LoU
but visually/stylistically
Gally was a fight in a dimly lit garage with a hole in the middle with no cool phase transitions or movement between arenas or anything like that
and I'd say the only fights that were cool style-wise were maybe Stix and One-Armed Bandit
cinder relic
except gally
fathom bramble
I think the last 3 bosses being around the same difficulty was fine
gally could have beeen a little harder, but idk how you do that with tuning without making the fight hell
hallow spoke
Does dmg from BF have the ability to proc ring set btw?
fathom bramble
most likely yes, but it doesn't really matter
or is strictly negative
you get the same total number of procs either way it just changes how they are distributed
river wing
it's PPM anyway
hallow spoke
fair
fathom bramble
most procs go on your main target and primarily only the activation of BF and BR will put any on off targets
because of the timings and mechanics of rppm the actual cleave portion of BF has a very low chance to trigger anything
even though it can
cinder relic
I think the last 3 bosses being around the same difficulty was fine
I think its funny that people say all the time like
"I wish the raids weren't so back heavy pull count wise"
and then we get a raid like undermine
where basically every boss was 100-150 pulls on prog
and thats considered like, the worst raid tier ever made
and an affront to god
river wing
lots of people complained about Gally being "too easy" lmao
cinder relic
Thats exactly my point
grim spear
gally is actually pretty interesting
river wing
damn pls no
fathom bramble
I think a few hard bosses is just way better
cinder relic
that tier would actually be a fucking nightmare if gally was lura pull count LOL
fathom bramble
instead of 7 one night(or less) bosses and then 1 nightmare
river wing
still hoping we'll see fewer lura-tier bosses
cinder relic
what could that possibly mean
tender wedge
lots of people complained about Gally being "too easy" lmao
my hot take on this is they're just parroting their favourite RWF guild
well many anyway
fathom bramble
my hot take on this is they're just parroting their favourite RWF guild
this is def how it feels sometimees
river wing
what could that possibly mean
idk, more even diff distrib at the end of a tier?
fathom bramble
people having a super hard stance on lura when only 3 guilds have killed it was a bit strange
like it's just people who have not even fought it yet and maybe never will
(in some cases)
river wing
like the final boss doesn't have to be the boss to end all bosses
cinder relic
I think either raid design is fine
tender wedge
hard agree
cinder relic
If you make an "easy end boss tier" like gallywix ppl complain
tender wedge
having a "more accessible than usual" raid every now and then is great
cinder relic
If u make a "hard end bosses raid" like dimensisu, or even lura ppl complain
Theres no right answer
river wing
the thing is
ppl always complain
just different ppl
tender wedge
there's also the elitism from complaining about things being too easy which is a bit performative in some cases i think
meanwhile they're happy they got their first CE in undermine and haven't seen it again since
fathom bramble
idk the only metric I care about is whether I had fun engaging with the raid or not
maybe a hot take
I don't think any raid has really felt too easy since I started raiding at a CE level
too easy would be like the last 3 bosses taking 100 total pulls
cunning wraith
hi i just started learning outlaw a few hours ago, i was wondering if anybody could give me any pointers? on a magister's before this, my outlaw rogue friend did almost triple my dps https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/APwfyngx9tVN1B46?fight=2&type=summary
river wing
in other news
my RL started trading me gold every time we wipe and he sees that most of my rolls for the pull are 2s
says he's gambling for jackpots
low glade
jolly geyser
@proven ocean hail mary was really nice movie imo,watched yday
dreamy kernel
what are the best dung/raid to use the bonus rolls?
digital gale
Pit
hasty warren
hi pirates
unkempt dew
craggy barn
man i dont think ill be able to keep r1 on my server cluster
random stirrup
If u make a "hard end bosses raid" like dimensisu, or even lura ppl complain
dimensius was a banger
lura is not
also i died tonight to a glaive that I wasn't even in on my screen to it quintuple ticking me within 0.2s 
stiff hawk
dimensius was a banger
DImensiius was banger for Prog
Reclears were annoying af
Well tbf P1 was kinda boring for Prog
L'ura feels more like hope for getting good RNG or hope that your Raiders can deal with bad rng in P1
random stirrup
you can oneshot the boss seeing p4 for the first time
and p3 memory game can insane highroll into all the symbols being next to each other
or absolute cursed constellations + all symbols opposite sides
stiff hawk
We arent in P3 yet
im just seeing P1 being inconsistent with glaives
Where it is sometimes giga easy and sometimes 5 glaives at once
fluid meadow
bruh what the hell is this game, random dc and can't login after abandoning a key after that my whole ui and wow just gone and everything is everywhere on my screen, every options reseted, i got login cinematic too, like playing 1st time after intalling the game
still wagon
small indie company
fluid meadow
yeah classic retail, abandoning a key or die 1 time--> back to lvl1, maybe can happen
fickle marlin
hey guys, i've a question regarding a situation i find myself in quite often. lets say AR is on cooldown for another 45 sec, i use BTE and i get like 2 - 3 resets, my AR is now more or less ready and my BTE is on cooldown for 30 sec. what are you guys doing here, i just send AR and use supercharge stacks with dispatch or do i hold AR until BTE is off cooldown?
speaking about m+ that is
quaint mauve
hey guys, i've a question regarding a situation i find myself in quite often. le...
don’t think you ever wanna hold AR
harsh forge
hey guys, i've a question regarding a situation i find myself in quite often. le...
you should just hold the bte under after the first reset there for AR, but if its BTE is on CD for one or two spenders its ok to hold AR for it
atomic jasper
guys how can i do a triple or jackpot only 40 sec quick sim? is there string that i can type it in wanna see how much burst i do in belo egg
an i also see that quick sim rotation is kinda fucked up? it doesn't hold BtE for AR and uses builders weirdly(not exactly sure)
stone cradle
every bte in that sample sequence is with AR up except for the ones right at the end of your 40 seconds which I imagine fire because the next AR is never coming
any 40 second sim is going to be kind of weird
unkempt dew
Are we having fun yet?
proven ocean
dim parrot
Just had boomie apply to my key as feral
Then trolled
I didn’t notice pre-key
Would’ve been my first 20 overtimed by 14 secs
hardy thicket
Kinda happends everywhere just sucks to fall victim for it
formal thunder
I run a frost looking tmog on my fire mage, works like a charm. Even fooled my premates 
blissful kettle
So emm... this is akward becouse this far i havent really used addons that interfere with my UI despite playing disc and holy priest, dks and so on, But now I feel like i need something to show me what roll the dice gave me, its just too many buffs to look for it mid combat. Any good addons and guides exist for that?
Or is it just look for the dice on the floor
soft abyss
you can put a bar it is more readable for newer players ( I guess, myself included)
worldly shale
guessing i should skyreach after getting everything from pit?
sim says so ig, biggest upgrade is the trink
stiff remnant
hi people. Its Between the Eyes bugged ??? i was hitting the training dummy and doing 352 damage using 7 combo points
unkempt dew
Seems about right
stiff remnant
how much damage its doing?
inland acorn
So emm... this is akward becouse this far i havent really used addons that inter...
You can just track buff in cooldown manager ?
thorn plinth
https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-gif-1760452691448589843
im the ugly one in the family
unkempt dew
Naah just weird
fading forum
guessing i should skyreach after getting everything from pit?
If you don’t have mythic gaze chim is pretty puggable, use there
If you do then I guess skyreach because ain’t no one pugging Beloran
blissful kettle
You can just track buff in cooldown manager ?
wso... what IS cooldown menager
?
😅
inland acorn
wso... what IS cooldown menager
Its baseline UI feature to track your resources, cooldowns, spells, defensives
blissful kettle
Its baseline UI feature to track your resources, cooldowns, spells, defensives
huh neet
ill look into that
proven ocean
https://tenor.com/view/suhgenre-jccthangs-gif-24975871
Sup
inland acorn
ill look into that
You can also go to this site, and get someones package
https://wago.io/browse/cooldown-manager/classes/rogue
And tweak them to your preferences
broken hearth
Hey all, should we always cast finishers with 6+ CP because of talent synergies, or is 5 CP acceptable sometimes? Somehow I usually naturally end up at 5 CP and pressing another builder feels bad a lot of the times instead of a finisher, due to certain overcapping
fading forum
Few questions for m+
Is healing reduction from wound poison with the talent better (or more accessible) than whatever warrior applies,
should we be taking shiv when using it for prio mobs like the big guy in MT?
Is it just usable in MT, MC, and seat or am I forgetting one?
When is it worth taking gouge over aoe blind, I can see it being better in practice but in reality I am bad at the game
Just reached an acceptable point of gear and want to jump straight back into 18s, 19s. Is there a “tips and tricks” style article/video worth watching?
Oh and do we switch back to instant poison after each healing reduction mob or is the damage difference not really worth it
vivid vessel
Ours is AOE
But warrior is better it's like 50%
Ours is 48
So In magister for big dude warrior should apply
But otherwise for other dungeons yours is better
Shiv is for off hand poison it doesn't do shit
tender wedge
Makes things walk extra slow
vivid vessel
Oh and do we switch back to instant poison after each healing reduction mob or i...
No
fading forum
Shiv is for off hand poison it doesn't do shit
Ah ofc I missed this
Tyvm ❤️ I now need much practice to not fuck up rotation in stressful pulls but really enjoying the spec
broken hearth
What about my finisher question? 😄
weary fog
u build at 5, finish at 6
broken hearth
Also, what is auto casting my thistle tea? I havent ever pressed it and it is always on cd. I enjoy it though, but couldnt figure out what is causing it
broken hearth
So getting to 6 CP is more worth than overcapping? Cool
weary fog
yeah but u can finish at 5 for killing spree only
broken hearth
Just picked up outlaw to try to push 0.1, got hardstuck in que at 3.8k with dh 🙁
fading forum
Outlaw seems dope for phys damage but surely DH is going to be more invitable?
More people playing the meta comp from what I’ve seen
tropic zephyr
Yeah for sure, it's harder to get phys comp
In the sense of it takes longer to get a group going
And tagging as law is just a pain
Ngl I only play law when I can go with friends otherwise I'll just tag with my brew
broken hearth
Literally whenever I open LFG only 20s listed look for phys, seems fun as well to switch it up a bit
static crescent
I still dont understand why outlaw is so affected by getting raid buffs, is it something to do with the target cap or some shit
Im always bottom of the barrel when playing with my friends (basically only druid buff) and popping off with full stack
idk fucking bonker game
blissful kettle
love the feeling when whole boss fight i cant roll high, but on 4 trash pulls in a row in raid, i get jackpot after jackpot 🤣
vivid vessel
X
I legit didn't see that they actually said it was intended that guardian did more damage than other tanks
For whatever reason
vivid vessel
I still dont understand why outlaw is so affected by getting raid buffs, is it s...
Phys raid buffs are better, there is basically 3 specs in wow that are full phys for monk buff, outlaw feral and warrior
And then 3 specs that want shaman as bad as us
War outlaw sub
5% each
War, monk, sham
So 15% on just 3 buffs
In comparison mage buff is 3%
Dh buff is 3%
Druid buff is 2/3%
static crescent
Almost feels like more then 15% when playing without them to be fair,, maybe its just the demotivation of not having them xd
So I assume blizzard through raids balances classes based on having all of the buffs
So a "fix" would be just tune phys classes higher and reduce the buff amounts
then i could play with my mage friend without feeling cucked
vivid vessel
So a "fix" would be just tune phys classes higher and reduce the buff amounts
Well ye but phys buffs are already not as useful
Cause they affect less specs
Like monk buffs
That's why they tried to buff monk buff
But then they scratched that
polar niche
The boost to itlvl from tomorrow is on only one piece?
gaunt phoenix
dont know yet
formal thunder
0 chance it's more than 1 item though, right? That wouldn't keep up the engagement metrics
fading forum
Playing with friends and trying to work out the least impactful buff to drop, I’m assuming it would be monk?
If taking a Druid tank would you grab MW and ele shaman? I normally main WW but that shit just dies to a breeze in 19s and doesn’t feel worth it
polar niche
In My friend group we miss a warrior dps
fading forum
I feel like warrior is too pumpy to drop, in my head core is Druid warrior shaman
I’m just going to tell them all to reroll I think that will be easily achieved
vivid vessel
Playing with friends and trying to work out the least impactful buff to drop, I’...
I mean depends on your comp lol
If you are playing outlaw warriorn
Don't drop monk
polar niche
We have Druid tank monk h hunter me and flex
worldly shale
If you don’t have mythic gaze chim is pretty puggable, use there
nah im full myth
only chest and second trink left
i have gaze myth
worldly shale
only chest and second trink left
both drop from skyreach, all the rest im bis
fading forum
Looking at outlaw warrior with probably Druid healer, then last 2 spots pugs
So I guess brew and ele shaman, no idea if enhance is a playable spec I have seen 0
vivid vessel
We have Druid tank monk h hunter me and flex
hunter is also one of the full phys spec
i think
hasty warren
bm with packleader deal almost only phys iicr
survival deal lot of fire damage
idk for mm
cedar bone
do you guys play Thiefs versatility or flickering steel?
grim spear
so l'ura memory game is still basically an addons thing
what's the point of all this shit?
primal holly
sim it, high haste can allow you to take thiefs vers @cedar bone
cedar bone
-0.9% atm
fresh acorn
so l'ura memory game is still basically an addons thing
It def looks worse than it actually is
It’s no different that typing the order in chat
primal holly
yeah then stick with flickering - for what its worth if we ever go back to fatebound there will be more situations where you can take thiefs vers
light mountain
I still dont understand why outlaw is so affected by getting raid buffs, is it s...
bc no war/sham u can js kiss away 10% of ur total dps before the keys even started
livid sand
hunter is also one of the full phys spec
How do I keep track on all the procs and resets without losing track on kicks and movement.. whenever I play outlaw instead of sub, im just focused on what to press and cant keep track of everything else xD
Does this get better by time or am I just too bad haha
soft musk
are crests uncapped this week? or is it only 298 stuff droppin?
glass mortar
i could use an uncap....
river wing
are crests uncapped this week? or is it only 298 stuff droppin?
following prev seasons
uncap is gonna be like
in...three weeks?
whenever the cap would hit 1200
since before that it would hit 1080 with 90/week
vivid vessel
idk unless you are turbo inting your crests, this reset you should hit the 285 thingy
soft musk
i definetly hit a for funsie on the crests and did some stuff that i shouldnt have
282~ still fine though im a casual
unkempt dew
idk unless you are turbo inting your crests, this reset you should hit the 285 t...
@vivid vessel what will you upgrade first to 298?
serene cosmos
you should be close to max now
A lot of people aren't looting more than 2/6 MM stuff
jolly geyser
im gonna upgrade my OH to standout
serene cosmos
Even when you not wasting, by upgrading hero before MM, I don't think you can have maxed everything
For my part, I trolled crafting a 3rd 285 item 
vivid vessel
did valeera get nerfed again
im doing a delve 3 on my alt
and she cant tank at all
she dies in 10s every pack
serene cosmos
^
vivid vessel
yes she does
serene cosmos
Did you open the gear in delve?
Cuz I had the issue
Opening oustide of delves showing equipped curios
But in delves, nothing
And no roles
vivid vessel
inside
and the curios are proccing
idk
she just get one shot
in delve 3 ?
im so confused
i was using her to tank 11s a few weeks ago
west ridge
<@352916297262301194> what will you upgrade first to 298?
he will upgrade the sub trinket from the first boss
that he never uses
cause hes got that dawg in him
serene cosmos
Is that a slot or an item?
vivid vessel
do we actually know that tho
random stirrup
you can also begin acquiring voidcores if they are capped weekly
vivid vessel
ye
this doesnt tell me anything
my bet rn is that its a weekly cap
that increase every week
obv
which would be super shit if you multi spec
or whatever
random stirrup
that increase every week
thats what makes the most sense for player retention™
fresh acorn
Is there anything in the game that drops from all of those activities that’s weekly capped?
At like 1
vivid vessel
i think the pvp one is capped but idk
glass mortar
Is there anything in the game that drops from all of those activities that’s wee...
sparks
glass mortar
catch up sparks ig i should say
fresh acorn
I feel like they’d rather have a week of people spamming m+ for these than people doing 1 dungeon per day for the next 4 weeks
vivid vessel
cata charges you needed to get 4 before you could drop them
reef forge
cata charges you needed to get 4 before you could drop them
could be a similar thing for the cores
frigid pelican
Zac what do you use to organize your bags?
random stirrup
I feel like they’d rather have a week of people spamming m+ for these than peopl...
they also changed turbo boost for this exact reason, wanting to keep people playing longer
rather than spamming
vivid vessel
Zac what do you use to organize your bags?
baganator
frigid pelican
Thanks
vivid vessel
https://wago.io/-UZz8TnZ9 this is my profile if you want it
frigid pelican
Coolio, appreciate it
random stirrup
bags bags yes
slow granite
Btw being max ilvl or around 285 its pretty much impossible if u dont raid mythic, as it should i guess
Maybe late for that conversation toh
And the voidcores were a huge boost for that too
random stirrup
as of next week you can start a fresh character and hit 285 if they're a 2H and you cap myth crests and use all the rolls
fair charm
We get so much free Myth from M+ it’s easy to be 285 without mythic raid.
random stirrup
or just this reset
fresh acorn
as of next week you can start a fresh character and hit 285 if they're a 2H and ...
Perfect for frost/uh dk meta
unkempt swift
!rtb
ornate heathBOT
How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and 
Supercharger)
- Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
- Roll if you have 2 buffs and
Loaded Dice is active. - Roll once asap after pressing
KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border). - After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.
gaunt phoenix
a bit old that one
keen belfry
!rtb
ornate heathBOT
How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)
- Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
- Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
- Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
- After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.
vocal birch
i really missing the playstyle around the vanish and BtE, more apm and more fun for my, rn the rotation felling more slowly and awfull if u don't get any reset of BtE. Assa for the win.
glass mortar
many such cases
vivid vessel
TRUTH NUKE
keen belfry
did having a window of BTE on no CD help with rng or is it the same as now
theres more rng tied to bte not named resets now right?
dmg stack thing
vivid vessel
i mean
this bte thing would have been fine if it didnt reset
or if it didnt stack
this is just a silly rng on top of rng thing
idk why it stacks honestly
it just shouldnt
and then the reset is there for bte damage and vibes
the fact its bte damage, cp gen, and fucking inifnite damage stacking
wtf
keen belfry
i just really hate the rng we have in keys
glass mortar
they removed the crit aspect of it to increase crits value for us and in doing so increased our variance... then added a new buff to BtE to passively increase its variance even more
keen belfry
a lot
vivid vessel
idk
everything we got in midnight
feels so
its like
clueless dev
doing random things
not thinking one sec about what is gonna happen
how its gonna impact variance
gameplay
or damage profile
everything midnight is bad
glass mortar
i mean there was some thought put into it like
think about it
when new RtB first dropped we all thought oh fuck SnC is the basic 1 buff now? that means low roll variance should feel much less bad
impressive how they managed to tune outlaw so even with just SnC it doesnt function
vivid vessel
when new RtB first dropped we all thought oh fuck SnC is the basic 1 buff now? t...
only you said that
i was telling you guys since day 1 that we had legit 80% uptime on snd in tww anywya
so this was complete fake
glass mortar
no plenty of others did
cinder relic
Invent a scenario for in your head to get upset about
vivid vessel
snc
cinder relic
Based
vivid vessel
ok bro
keen belfry
i used to like new rtb
cinder relic
New rtb is cool just kir makes it feel stinky imo
shell fossil
skull n crossbones is the 1 buff?
dawn talon
most of us liekd this new rtb as its less complicated
i didn't
glass mortar
ye
cinder relic
kir make it feels bearable but ok
I mean in the sense u do pulls and never use it
keen belfry
old rtb was goated
i think ur confusing CTO for old rtb, but i agree old rtb was more fun but it had its problems
vivid vessel
i think ur confusing CTO for old rtb, but i agree old rtb was more fun but it ha...
no
old rtb and cto goes hand in hand
wtih kir also
vocal birch
on the paper looks good but the moment you start to play it, you hated it.
vivid vessel
its a package
keen belfry
i understand ur point
vivid vessel
you cant think about current rtb and ignore loaded dice and kir either
vocal birch
ambush build was A M A Z I N G!!!
keen belfry
like this new RTB is actualyl so bad
cinder relic
If kir was plus 1 It'd feel a lot better imo
keen belfry
BUT its very close to not being so bad
yes
one small change and new rtb is very good
but atm its very bad
vocal birch
one small change and new rtb is very good
small change? which one?
vivid vessel
i imean ok but doesnt change the fact you are stuck on 2 for 30s
vocal birch
should be less RNG?
keen belfry
if we have a tierset next tier that is rtb is +1 to expected rolls rtb is fixed
glass mortar
i mean that change would just be a buff to 3 buff+ uptime
vivid vessel
i would rather it was just not a thing
cinder relic
Being 2 sometimes is fine idk. The issue is kir can literally do nothing for like 2+ mins straight lol
keen belfry
i mean that change would just be a buff to 3 buff+ uptime
and thats all you need
shell fossil
buffs upgrading after a condition is met would be cool
vivid vessel
Being 2 sometimes is fine idk. The issue is kir can literally do nothing for lik...
its not bro, you open a pack roll 3 times in a row and you are still on 2 ?
you wanna neck yourself dude
shell fossil
hidden opportunity is there etc
vivid vessel
doesnt change the fact you lost
cinder relic
Okay
vivid vessel
and then after that you have no kir
and you lose again
so you drop to 1
and you are in a little cuck chair
dawn talon
new rtb has 0 gameplay attached to it
it's like actual negative gameplay
random stirrup
1 buff is real suffering
dawn talon
it does nothing and subtracts from ur actual gameplay
vivid vessel
i always thought rtb was half the fun of law
now i want it removed
thats how bad rtb is
dawn talon
please give me back my old rtb i miss her every day
vivid vessel
i just want to be perma on 3
and we remove rtb
thats it
gone
5% aura nerf outlaw if needed
idc
remove that shit butt on
cinder relic
U guys have such a glass half empty mentality sometimes lol
dawn talon
nah the glass is lwk fully empty this tier
rough oriole
I mean I do agree stage 1 & 2 feel like shit
vivid vessel
i dont see any water in my glass rn
random stirrup
U guys have such a glass half empty mentality sometimes lol
ok but you would look at the glass and say it's full
shell fossil
i don't mind stage 2
cinder relic
ok but you would look at the glass and say it's full
Do you think I'd say current outlaw is perfect
rough oriole
Especially when you roll 3 loaded dice and get stage 2’s
glass mortar
ok but you would look at the glass and say it's full
shell fossil
but i hate how first pull is literally
oh you stage 2'd twice
someone else better pull up
keen belfry
i take weapon right? or do i take my ring? @vivid vessel lil bro
vivid vessel
i take weapon right? or do i take my ring? <@352916297262301194> lil bro
i mean you dont have a weapon no ?
keen belfry
yuh no weapon
vivid vessel
sounds fine then idk
cinder relic
There should just be more consistent sources of 3 buff. Whether that's kir, or something idrk
cinder relic
Ambush has a chance to upgrade your rtb tier set it happening guys
vivid vessel
iu mean a chance to upgrade is legit crazy
rough oriole
Oh god no a HO tier set
vivid vessel
would feel terrible imo
you would spend an entire adr pressing your button and it wouldnt upgrade till last moment and you would be dead inside
tired rune
If we had 3+ a lot more often shit would actually feel good
vivid vessel
i actually like lok idea tho
where it just
upgrade everytime you roll
be done wiht it
fuck rng
tired rune
Starting at 1 every time?
keen belfry
There should just be more consistent sources of 3 buff. Whether that's kir, or s...
current law would be very fun with easy acces to 3+ buff, more energy/more palmed bullets
vivid vessel
once you are at jackpot you wait till it drops and you roll again
vivid vessel
Starting at 1 every time?
starting at 2 cause loaded dice
tired rune
starting at 2 cause loaded dice
Ahhh yes of course
cinder relic
once you are at jackpot you wait till it drops and you roll again
And then an intermission happens
And suddenly we hate the idea
keen belfry
i think BTE storing palmed bullets would actually go so so hard for both fun and gameplay enhancing
cinder relic
What you are describing is like, ramp
vivid vessel
it would start at 2 cuase loaded, you roll you have 3, you roll you have jackpot for 30s
and then its done you start loop again at 2
cause loaded
etc
i dont see how it changes anything with intermission
glass mortar
so ur whole purpose is to spam RtB on cd asap until ur in stage 4
vivid vessel
ye
glass mortar
average cd of RtB is what, like 8s? 9s?
so average time to hit jackpot would be like 20s assuming no double loaded dice shenangins
vivid vessel
everytime you up a rank it refresh rtb duration
cinder relic
And intermission would stop your ability to refresh is my point
glass mortar
but idk about the idea of spam rolling when all the button does is roll
at least bandits guile upgraded itself from ur attacks
vivid vessel
but idk about the idea of spam rolling when all the button does is roll
but you already do this lol
im pressing rtb 3 times in the opener
then im still on 2
gg
go again
glass mortar
not after that tho
glass mortar
im thinking of the gameplay past the opener
vivid vessel
its very common you roll twice in a orw
because you exit a good buff, you roll with loaded > adr loaded again
cinder relic
current law would be very fun with easy acces to 3+ buff, more energy/more palme...
Yeah I agree. Did reclear and keys this resume set and just wish I could actually use kir more lol just always 2
shell fossil
just ball with phys comp
wide coral
kir upgrades current roll and extends duration = gg
vivid vessel
And intermission would stop your ability to refresh is my point
but you would be at jackpot level super fast, and then you hit intermission and you adr loaded and start again
shell fossil
yuo're ethical
keen belfry
Yeah I agree. Did reclear and keys this resume set and just wish I could actuall...
you can genuinely go 2+ minutes not pressing it
vivid vessel
you are stuck at 2 buff
all pull
like there is no change to intermission gameplay
0
if anything its better
cause you are not completly dead if you enter a new phase without loaded
you can ramp up from 1
instead of rn i dont have loaded im basically boneless till adr
vivid vessel
you can genuinely go 2+ minutes not pressing it
my guy i went 6 min without kiring
wide coral
if you have to reroll without loaded and hit a 1 it's sadge
cinder relic
Very rude
vivid vessel
skill issue should roll better imo
random stirrup
1 buff should just not exist
random stirrup
it is too miserable
wide coral
kir is like half a button
glass mortar
never liked the name of keep it rolling ngl
vivid vessel
i fucking hate noobs
random stirrup
also this rtb thing would replace kir
random stirrup
yep
cinder relic
This or a socket
livid sand
Yeah I agree. Did reclear and keys this resume set and just wish I could actuall...
ogh shoot, everyone rolling outlaws 😄
vivid vessel
This or a socket
i mean its bis cape
but also
2nd boss or whatever
but you have no ivll dont you guy
is 282 an ivll upgrade
i would take that if so
wide coral
thinking if I pick guidon and go sub for prog or salad neck and stay outlaw
vivid vessel
cause i remember you have legit lil timmy ilvl
cinder relic
Im 285
vivid vessel
pathetic !
cinder relic
Could just grab this too
vivid vessel
thinking if I pick guidon and go sub for prog or salad neck and stay outlaw
sub for prog ?
vivid vessel
Could just grab this too
ye but it wont last long
random stirrup
Could just grab this too
i swear a bonus roll is better than this
because ur rolling pit anyway
random stirrup
wym cuh
vivid vessel
you are using lura ring + voracius ring
cinder relic
Theres nothing to bonus roll in pit
random stirrup
big offhand
vivid vessel
easiest items to get
cinder relic
Ye ig if I'm doing haste helmet I need more crit vers
vivid vessel
big offhand
crafted off hand prolly better anwyay
cinder relic
we've seen 0 rings from voracious idk
random stirrup
cloak similar to imperator
wide coral
I think I'll go neck and only have to worry about rolling for gaze
random stirrup
bracers depending on what u craft
vivid vessel
cloak similar to imperator
yes but again
all these things
you porlly already have
cinder relic
Maybe just socket and throw this in
tired rune
tired rune
finally after two socket weeks
random stirrup
it was in reply to taking the pit ring anyway though
vivid vessel
but at this point you legit lost a 50/50 so you suck ass
random stirrup
ye the cloak is better
devout elk
So guys, my sim is telling me on outlaw to upgrade gaze to 298, it's simming higher than upgrading from 289 to 298 MH. Is that correct or am I crazy?
vivid vessel
tho if you have 285 achiev
you can boost your main now
prolly not as useful
you should be 289 this week
if you had achiev last week
vivid vessel
So guys, my sim is telling me on outlaw to upgrade gaze to 298, it's simming hig...
doub thats true
link sim
random stirrup
ok zac tip for next tier
vivid vessel
imo fake
random stirrup
i didn't send myth crests into my crafts
so i would have for better items
it was big value i got some good dps out of it
but then disaster struck
myth crest achievement
now i am 285 but still need to drop 160 crests on crafts
so uhh dont do that
cinder relic
So its either cape or socket
shell fossil
at this point i do just send pit of saron worst pull is a dagger
vivid vessel
how do you not have items to ugprade
vivid vessel
So its either cape or socket
if cape is an ilvl upgrade im taking cape every day
cinder relic
I still need 2 sockets tho
vivid vessel
sockets are for noobs idk
random stirrup
how do you not have items to ugprade
my rogue is legit full 289 other than my 2 crafts
wide coral
just drop belt with socket from chimaerus
vivid vessel
my rogue is legit full 289 other than my 2 crafts
im confused
wide coral
gg
vivid vessel
about what you mean
vivid vessel
you always have 2 crafts
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pvKRMCc2aCEEcHeRTH7g9X
this sim is upgrading all 3 slots
so idk
random stirrup
im confused
the idea was to sandbag sending crests into crafts (as sub prog) because offhand and bracers are very low value slots
it was very good for most of prog because I kept the 80/160 myth for tier chest and pants and stuff
I was never sitting on crests
devout elk
the sim is taking all 3 into account yes, but clearly if you only upgrade 1 gaze comes out on top no?
random stirrup
but i forgor about myth achieve discount
and it not applying to crafts
so now even though I am otherwise full 289, I still need to upgrade my 2 crafts for full price
and I am behind
upper hawk
the sim is taking all 3 into account yes, but clearly if you only upgrade 1 gaze...
not for me. upgradign gze only is like .8% behind upgrading main hand only
vivid vessel
the sim is taking all 3 into account yes, but clearly if you only upgrade 1 gaze...
idk i dont think that sim is working right
its telling you upgrading off hand is same as main hand
shell fossil
i get to do both raids this week yay 
vivid vessel
i think maybe its cause of this shit ass tho idk
formal thunder
7.7% from just Gaze seems crazy, no?
vivid vessel
he is also changing build
could do gear compare idk
i dont trust gear compare
it has been broken in the past idk why
devout elk
i have no gaze currently so its definitely a big upgrade but ye
formal thunder
if you only put in 1 Ascended Voidcore when running the sim, it won't sim the combinations with all 3
devout elk
would be 2% raw
vivid vessel
i have no gaze currently so its definitely a big upgrade but ye
oh
you go from non gaze to gaze
you are cheating bro
?
this isnt a real sim
trail sparrow
do you guys upgrade ur crafted mainhand to 295 or is it grief ?
vivid vessel
devout elk
the sim takes a regular 289 gaze into account tho
formal thunder
do you guys upgrade ur crafted mainhand to 295 or is it grief ?
if you can get myth Alleria sword you should upgrade that one
formal thunder
but my chud ass aint gonna get that 
devout elk
no i took it out for the one i linked
devout elk
if you only put in 1 Ascended Voidcore when running the sim, it won't sim the co...
gonna try
formal thunder
5 more weeks til we get it?
vivid vessel
no
if its like pvp it just drops in keys
and then you combine 5
it makes a big one
formal thunder
ah
near rock
yeah it says from powerful foes
random stirrup
that does read just like the pvp thing
vivid vessel
11 smallies tho
random stirrup
no big
vivid vessel
and it was up 4 weeks ago
random stirrup
the combined ones
random stirrup
i am still getting them too
random stirrup
yeah it says from powerful foes
surely in my 2 hours before raid I will be able to farm 15 of them
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
mythic main hand vs mythic gaze should be basically the same result
formal thunder
for me myth crafted MH was like 1.7% or so
devout elk
Yep u right, it does show main hand now as best upgrade
formal thunder
and gaze sub 1%
near rock
surely in my 2 hours before raid I will be able to farm 15 of them
I also raid tuesday
I fucking hate it
vivid vessel
not raiding on reset day is bis
devout elk
@vivid vessel ye
random stirrup
I also raid tuesday
its really awesome because at my new job tuesdays are my longest days of the week
vivid vessel
cant wait to absolutely destroy all of your guys logs
random stirrup
and i have to stay late
devout elk
do you think its worth upgrading that main hand or should i wait for alleria's sword?
vivid vessel
do you think its worth upgrading that main hand or should i wait for alleria's s...
def upgrade main hand
but also it seems like its infinite drop
so
random stirrup
so i get back and have to desperately try to use my bonus rolls and farm crests and now farm hammer currency all in the time before raid
devout elk
that must be a bug no?
near rock
with my 4 298 items
can't wait for u to lowroll on your kills 
random stirrup
and its especially awesome this week because lura prob dies tonight
vivid vessel
can't wait for u to lowroll on your kills <:PEPW:710030449728159784>
bro
ots
you dont wanna know
upper hawk
do we know for sure there's not like a cap and we can get multiple 298 this week?
vivid vessel
i legit have done the same damage on voracius
the past 5 weeks
im getting 10 ilvl per week
its not enough
spec is so cringe
formal knot
just gear more alts to try again ?
formal knot
near rock
spec is definitely very cringe rn
vivid vessel
this is zacrebleu
this is main
main is about 10 ilvl higher
boss damage btw not even any pad or antyhing
just cringe rng
shell fossil
yeah rolling 1 buff on 2 buff is cringe
i'd rather you can't reroll repeats
so you always get a jackpot at somepoint etc
formal thunder
skill issue, surely
shell fossil
and then also just upgrade a dice roll with premed
vivid vessel
like what video game are we playing even idk
i get gapped by my alt with 10 less ilvl
normal video game
inner yacht
they should make rtb like a finisher or smth so you can press it untill you get ur shit
shell fossil
excessive dice rolling!!!!!!!!!
unique fulcrum
i get gapped by my alt with 10 less ilvl
I swear Outlaw gets hidden aura Buff or nerf everyday you log in, rolling the dice , some days i feel like doing dmg some i feel cursed
gaunt phoenix
i think
near osprey
yall think dreadflail wep fron nxp is worth 298? im simming but idk if its worth long term
formal knot
they should have made RTB the only finisher with the midnight ability culling
gaunt phoenix
back in ye old day, loaded dice getting 2 buffs was automatically a good result
formal knot
you just build and RTB to throw dice at the boss
gaunt phoenix
but now 2 buffs is the baseline
vivid vessel
back in ye old day, loaded dice getting 2 buffs was automatically a good result
idk i think it sjust cto
you were rolling bad ?
ok just get some few cto
kir them up
roll again after kir
like
there was so much rng protection
fiery timber
ornate heathBOT
KIR build compared to 
HO:
- doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
- is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
- has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
- has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
- is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
- needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
- KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)
gaunt phoenix
a bit old that one
formal thunder
they should have made RTB the only finisher with the midnight ability culling
Jackpot replaces your auto attack with full power BTEs
Three of a Kind replaces it with Dispatch