this is my average pug key overall
#outlaw
glass grove
silk spoke
hi guys what are the 2 embellish i should craft if i do only M+
it looks like a lot of outlaws are crafting smth different cant find a consistent answer
merry harness
It really is quite confusing to me how bad the avg. m+ player is
trim harbor
They are all good its just what dmg profile you like the most
echo olive
Can anyone give advice on how to show roll the bones buffs? Im tracking on CDM but only displays time of roll the bones not what my roll is
merry harness
If you make the rtb buff a bar you can see it using the text
echo olive
whats rtb buff?
inland acorn
whats rtb buff?
Cdm has 2 tabs, spells and buffs
glass grove
seems more than fine to me
worth nothing that sub is like 5x easier to play optimally than outlaw is
merry harness
rtb stands for roll the bones
echo olive
I have RTB in spells and also shows tracking in buffs
the bars for example show a bar that says triple threat with countdown
done see results like broadside, ruthlewss etc...
frozen quest
Guys I’m Race changing for high keys not sure I should Go dwarf or Night elf it seems smeld is still very powerful for Most Dungeons to negate beams or get off gargoyles
Im orc now
frozen quest
Didnt See 1 Panda in mdi what I watched
hallow holly
25% haste is best or as high as possible ?
inland acorn
done see results like broadside, ruthlewss etc...
Those are gone man...
echo olive
Question for help: Trying to get rolls displayed like broaside, riuthless etc,,, on my outlaw spec... I have RTB in spells and also shows tracking in buffs
the bars for example; a bar and timer will show that says triple threat with countdown, but does not show results like broadside, ruthlewss etc... while active roll
twilit axle
Question for help: Trying to get rolls displayed like broaside, riuthless etc,,,...
Roll the bones was reworked homie.
echo olive
ty
echo olive
What are you reading that you're looking for old container buffs?
thnaks new to outlaw been a while
limpid sky
old rtb 😔
potent walrus
do people play diff gearsets in mag terrace since u get 5% haste from the book. i guess sub rogues specifically but kinda curious about outlaw too
reef forge
do people play diff gearsets in mag terrace since u get 5% haste from the book. ...
pretty sure people alter there flasks, atleast i personally do
heady wraith
hey guys, can someone tell me how much skyfury buff affects energy regen on outlaw?
vivid vessel
Bro im psure collo does not do that
our warrior did 120
faro
like
4 weeks ago
btw
also shai is doing 120/125 every time we do this boss
as col
inland acorn
hey guys, can someone tell me how much skyfury buff affects energy regen on outl...
It doesn't
quaint sable
It does... Unless they changed how it works since tww.
inland acorn
Its like
heady wraith
skyfury is 20% chance to strike again. do autoattacks not give energy?
inland acorn
Nothing
livid sand
When do I use pots as Outlaw? Just on cd?
inland acorn
Think I saw solo saying its like 100 energy over 5 min
heady wraith
just this then I guess?
heady wraith
I'm not overestimatiing just trying to figure this out.
inland acorn
You could go into your log
See fatal flourish energy %
And add up 20% skyfury
Could give you some number ideas i guess
Not add flat 20, i mean X*20%
heady wraith
yea I get it
inland acorn
But i remember seeing flourish very low on energy like 15% or smth
heady wraith
I just thought skyfury was better than it is I guess for outlaw. for some reason I seem to forget its not the old windfury which gave attackspeed back then?
inland acorn
it's still good, because of our high melee dmg
heady wraith
oh yeah should have clarified for energy reg. still a very good buff overall I think
coarse kraken
thanks for the tips boss
dull geyser
the most pain is. prekey AR then rtb into 2 buff, send cds, Rtb again, ANOTHER 2 buff, then prep AR again ANOTHER 2 BUFF
then fucking gg send kir and cry
potent walrus
Which spec is best with melee comp, outlaw or sub and how far apart do we think they are? For 20+ keys
gaunt palm
@vivid vessel how do you feint in P3 and P4 lura?
dull geyser
Which spec is best with melee comp, outlaw or sub and how far apart do we think ...
whatever you’re best at
potent walrus
wat if both were played at skill cap
trim harbor
wat if both were played at skill cap
Assa
trim harbor
Damage taken is a healer problem ngl
random stirrup
does p3 lura do any damage at all
if you dont mess up a mechanic
i swear it just tickles
cinder relic
does p3 lura do any damage at all
uHHH
cinder relic
The matches do decent damage
And if u stand in the costelations yeah
But just passive damage no
cinder relic
Id definet hat as decent
gaunt palm
I have to tell my RL today when I will press defensives in P4 but Zac said he doesnt so I wont either 
heady wraith
it's still good, because of our high melee dmg
thanks for the answers!
hardy garden
Is supercharger bte still bugged?
gaunt palm
Can we soak a void dog with feint in P4 tho?
cedar bone
any info when crest will get uncapped?
river wing
usually it's 12 weeks in, so...in 4 weeks?
idk if this will hold up tho
prisma gazelle
Is there a time you should wait before using RtB if AR is coming up soon? Or is it more valuable just to have Immediate RtB uptime?
Sorry if that's incoherent, I mean if RtB is up, you don't have the buff, but AR is on CD for a few more secs
vivid vessel
because youre not a healer or because it doesnt work
oh i feint when i collide with other symbol
thats it
what else ?
vivid vessel
Can we soak a void dog with feint in P4 tho?
no
i tried
cheat death
@gaunt palm
gaunt palm
<@221966294503784448>
Ah good to know ty!
vivid vessel
i think feint doesnt work
cinder relic
Feint works on the circles, and the balls going into the boss in P2
And yeah it works on the matching symbols
cinder relic
Yeah
vivid vessel
ye i just feint circles in p2
and then colldiing symbols
and thats about it
health feels fine anyway
no damage
still matrix
Are you guys still playing sub on crown of progging?
south crypt
Does [Cloud Cover] pull aggro if you activate and boss is hit?
cinder relic
health feels fine anyway
Vial works perfectly on soaks in p2 as well
random stirrup
I unironically miss vial playing other classes
ngl
i am number one vial spammer
lost condor
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Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
rocky kiln
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lone surge
anyone got a list of buff we need to track with cd tracker?
keen belfry
That’s my warrior!
fair charm
Does [Cloud Cover] pull aggro if you activate and boss is hit?
No but lots of bosses can see in stealth this xpac so be careful regardless.
fair charm
anyone got a list of buff we need to track with cd tracker?
Here is mine. I also have RTB tracked on the right under blade flurry but it’s down in the screenshot. I also layer solo’s weakaura under it for when it bugs out (seems like every raid night).
gaunt phoenix
i do recommend upgrading m33kauras (just dragging the folders of the latest release into interface/addons and 'replace' when prompted)
normal violet
can we remove blade rush from the game
This happened to be in Maisara Caverns on first boss where I blade rush'd the second they leaped away
gaunt palm
This happened to be in Maisara Caverns on first boss where I blade rush'd the se...
feelsbad..
normal violet
They'll get rid of the charge from it one day, I hope
or get rid of it altogether 🤷
One can dream
vivid vessel
can we remove blade rush from the game
skill issue !
normal violet
remind me, what was original coup?
like the death from above animation thing?
vivid vessel
i litteraly force myself about thinking of br
everytime i press it
so i kinda have a delay
before i press br
most of the times
in packs where its relevant
cause i dont want this to happen
its so annoying
normal violet
Yeah... on a spec where you want everything on cd all the time, it's definitely a bad feeling to maybe have to think of holding BR
craggy barn
remind me, what was original coup?
like the death from above animation thing?
its the same as it is now, but imagine it had a charge aspect to it
so every time u pressed it
gaunt palm
would it be possible to change spell queue window for blade rush only? hmmge
craggy barn
u had a chance to die
because u cant avoid pressing it
alongside old ks
2 things that can just kill u
normal violet
Yeah idk how you all played outlaw rogue like that
I already hated playing it with old KS, I can't imagine having it on coup
lost condor
i dont see that window when i opened settings maybe i'm blind but soemone can help for SUF profile for Zac UI
vivid vessel
radiant wyvern
Yeah idk how you all played outlaw rogue like that
I already hated playing it wi...
constant .8 gcd was fun
even with the uptime of adr now it's hard for me to have fun playing other classes/spec
feels like playing in slomo
light mural
Is there any resources to get better/identify my mistakes ?
I use to use wowanalyzer on other classe but outlaw aint supported aparently and I perma parse 30% on keys
Im super frustrated cause I love the class
buoyant cosmos
Is there any resources to get better/identify my mistakes ?
I use to use wowana...
You can !log to start a thread where people can look at a wcl report
primal holly
has anyone got any tips for mythic vanguard prog? I'm running out of energy consistently despite 24% haste, flickering steel.
it's a bit harder to focus on rotation as i've been assigned to do absorbs as well, but running out of energy 5 mins in pretty consistently
radiant wyvern
has anyone got any tips for mythic vanguard prog? I'm running out of energy cons...
ye thats just how it is, maybe get 1-2% more haste
jolly geyser
radiant wyvern
whya re they doing that to him
frail veldt
Youve never experienced cuteness induced aggression?
proven ocean
ugly cat
radiant wyvern
Youve never experienced cuteness induced aggression?
yeah but u cant act on it
jolly geyser
radiant wyvern
theyre only small
radiant wyvern
NO
fair charm
has anyone got any tips for mythic vanguard prog? I'm running out of energy cons...
Tbh I feel better at 26% haste even though the sims suggest less.
gaunt phoenix
yea that's normal for sustain cleave
lost gate
On Dragons, do we just send BF on CD ye?
livid sand
On Dragons, do we just send BF on CD ye?
I thought only at 3+ target you „spam bf“. On 2 it would be just keeping it up?
lost gate
Ok cool, cheers
tbh I'm not sure at all as I mainly play sub
just playing around tonight
glass mortar
the FaQ says 3+ now
but its probably a smoll loss anyway
just feels stinky so why bother
inland acorn
Ye
lost gate
ty all
dull geyser
does wang bar not do supercharger color changes?
trim harbor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9ghbWXx6vJf3DKqj?fight=last&type=damage-done
kinda cranked it ngl
fair iron
for social aggro'd mobs, does RoP effect them like a root where they will hit closest target in combat?
radiant wyvern
serious accusation
lost condor
THX
daring sentinel
Hello all - trying hard to increase dps. It is absolutely the way I play the game that is interfering. I bought a 12 button mouse but it is uncomfortable as my hands are small. Would creating macros for abilities be a good option? and if so where would I find such?
glass mortar
there arent really macros u can make to reduce the buttons outlaw has
we dont really have any abilities u can combine
u can macro tricks (or get the addon) to make it easier to always hit the tank with it, and u can @cursor grapple so it instantly grips u where ur cursor is
thats about it tho
daring sentinel
I did have a macro for tricks but it seems to have broken. WIll def find a new one.
I wonder if they make a smaller gaming mouse. I guess I will keep trying to get the one I have going. thanks 🙂
desert tendon
elfin obsidian
is it worth swapping from nelf to dwarf? for m+ (damage + condition removal) ... but meld is also a nice pick
craggy barn
dwarf is just better defensively
frail veldt
Dwarf is just worse aesthetically
elfin obsidian
😄
craggy barn
but i play undead in 19s so it doesnt matter
elfin obsidian
i was thinking bout the 2% crit amp
naj, ill stick to meld and save the 25 bucks, ngl
😄
soft musk
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
unkempt cypress
Wut an ugly piss cat
jolly geyser
river wing
any solutions for the RtB buff randomly disappearing from CDM?
harsh forge
there is a pin with a weak aura
but it only tells you if you have the buff at all not which stage
river wing
that's fine, I don't forget the stage
will try it ou
(smh blizz tried to delete weakauras, broke the UI, and we're still using weakauras but worse)
(who won? IDK, I don't think ANYONE won)
fathom bramble
that fact that we still have a RTB WA is just perfect
really encapsulates the entirety of the addon purge
vapid sundial
really encapsulates the entirety of the addon purge
blizzard in general
for the most part
try to do something, its bad
they push again, its still bad
gg
solid cape
question, does outlaw drop daggers now or do we have to roll in two specs?
solid cape
that's what made me ask
also never will is crazy since we used to, but that was back in like cata. weird the balance shifted back to offhand dagger
how does bonus roll knockout work with spec swapping? I've only ever actually rolled single specs
vapid sundial
also never will is crazy since we used to, but that was back in like cata. weird...
Outlaw has used oh dagger for ages now tho
arctic merlin
as i can't get an oh myth dagger, is fist weapon myth track acceptable?
solid cape
I came back at the end of TWW and hadn't played since nathria in shadowlands lol
maiden beacon
craggy barn
as i can't get an oh myth dagger, is fist weapon myth track acceptable?
what do u mean u cant drop oh dagger, are u bonus rolling pit?
vapid sundial
as i can't get an oh myth dagger, is fist weapon myth track acceptable?
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of 
Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.
It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use 
Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.
arctic merlin
what do u mean u cant drop oh dagger, are u bonus rolling pit?
i am and i got some juicy items
arctic merlin
but not the dagger
reef forge
how are we meant to survive last boss skyreach lol, i'm perma bleeding out
solid cape
does anyone know if say I rolled xenus point, and got the boots then the heavy weapon, if I swapped to sub/assa next time I rolled, would the boots still be "knocked out"
reef forge
is it just healer healer?
quaint mauve
how are we meant to survive last boss skyreach lol, i'm perma bleeding out
be dwarf
zac be listening to freaky ahh music on stream
true light
whats the fatebound build for M+ currently?
glass mortar
lone surge
What is the tricks addon and how does it work?
quaint mauve
What is the tricks addon and how does it work?
you make a macro and when you press it
it puts tricks on MT
granite merlin
Can darkmoon sigil be on an offhand just as effectively?
Going back to my outlaw
Should I craft a dagger first for offhand and fish for a 1h mythic with rolls?
noble tartan
!ui
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Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
silk obsidian
!stats
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
plush grove
Whyd they ever remove vanish from relentless blades
normal violet
Whyd they ever remove vanish from relentless blades
just gonna assume it's because you no longer need it for dps
otherwise idk
plush grove
but the util!!
waxen scarab
guys how are we on lura
glass mortar
Whyd they ever remove vanish from relentless blades
one could argue it was an effort to make us not use vanish rotationally but they could have accomplished the same thing by just removing HO
Instead they kept HO in but underdesigned and undertuned and nuked our vanish as a utility tool as well
frail veldt
how are we meant to survive last boss skyreach lol, i'm perma bleeding out
You can remove the bleed by taking the arrow early
glass mortar
skyreach last boss has a bleed?
pure folio
fervent scroll
!prekey
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- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
im legit depressed
at midnight
my dps
is out of my control
completly
vivid vessel
i cant do anything
i do pulls im doing 90k dps
then i do pulls im doing 150k
then in p3 its like
idk
glass mortar
the name of midnight seemed to be less player rng in ur dps more rng rng
vivid vessel
shit is legit depressing
vivid vessel
i hate raiding rn
its so bad
i didnt understand how lok gapped me in p3
then i went to chjeck
glass mortar
its funny we yapped about all the losers who hated on Rtb because it was too rng when RtB was like the least rng it had ever been by the end of TWW
vivid vessel
he has 90% crit on bte
glass mortar
now we are legit back in the world of super rtb variance
vivid vessel
and jackpot
and i check some pulls
i can have 20% bte crit
rtb 2 rolled 3 times in a row
idk
shit is so bad
cant even talk about bte resets
glass mortar
remember that awang log where u guys were convinced something was super majorly bugged
and it was just, trickster crit stacking not applying to aoe BF cleave and him getting 30% crit rate on his bte for the whole pull
sometimes ur Bte just dont crit
and when it dont u just dont do damage
glass mortar
yea i mean i havent played since raid the friday before last (i was gone this weekend)
i got a month left on my sub but i dont think theres anyway im reupping it
the falloff going from tww to midnight has been truly incredible for me
near rock
i hate raiding rn
Parsing is just getting lucky rn
slow granite
at midnight
playing stupid content compared to urs..but feel it
in m+ too, i get 75% 2s. one run today had 6 2s in a row + 2 one of a kind
wanted to gauge my eyes out
vivid vessel
idk
like p3 lura is 2min30 or smth
on a 2min30 window
i do between 90k st and 150k
if i look at my p1 pulls
slow granite
pretty much solely dependent on luck we are
quaint mauve
im not having fun at all
gamble better bro!
grim spear
vivid vessel
this is the worse season i ever played
spec design is boring and garbage
its full rng
0 skill floor or skill ceilling
ui is garbage
every addon is broken
still matrix
Have people simmed the 298 gain, are you using it on mh wep?
vivid vessel
half working pieced together garbage
still matrix
might send it on saladhar wep... crown wep isnt even an increase for me in droptimizer
vivid vessel
key design is also bad everything you die to is just unfair invisible damage that has 0 counterplay outside of skipping bad mobs
which you cant skip every bad mob in the dungoen
indigo token
truth nuke
grim spear
i can live with everything else
but the fact that the worst designed thing in history became the first evergreen system... emm
vivid vessel
ye forgot about hero talents being the worse thing in the game
grim spear
feels like they scraped together a bunch of rookie designers, led by some stubborn old head who just calls shots out of his ass
vapid sundial
no
they are just run by interns
If you ever try and make a support ticket youd know this
grim spear
fathom bramble
is out of my control
Zero agency can’t spam reroll can’t respond to anything
vapid sundial
Ive had 4-5 interactions now where the supp rep literally doesnt know what they are talking about.
vapid sundial
like just factually wrong
vivid vessel
im desesperate lok
vivid vessel
idk
i feel like any random outlaw
would do the exact same damage as me
on this boss
why am i even here
i will kill boss and either be bottom dps or top dps
whatever happen happen
surreal flower
Rogue is so bad rn I told my guild im retiring or switching to a class that does mechanics
vivid vessel
its just rng
fathom bramble
I think you are underestimating how hard outlaw is still
vivid vessel
its not
fathom bramble
Rando would be mid or bottom dps
vivid vessel
its the first season people do the same damage as me in keys lok
you dont understnad
this has never happened
carmine mountain
its not about being hard its one if not the biggest gamba build
hero to zero and vice versa
vivid vessel
there is legit nothing
idk
its empty
0 skill ceilling
0 skill floor
i wanna go back to fatebound so i feel like im doing something at least
carmine mountain
at this point i doubt they will fix us so whats next
fathom bramble
its not about being hard its one if not the biggest gamba build
It’s both
carmine mountain
i went back idont care about the dps loss is minimal for me since i dont do your content
worldly zephyr
god that nekraxx bird boss sometimes hits me when it charges even though im so far off its ass
fathom bramble
Like law is obviously still harder than most melee even if it is a shadow of tww
strange kelp
there is legit nothing
I know you feel this way about outlaw but trust, other specs are like half as intricate
indigo token
I think thats my thing rn
I dont feel like im playing a new spec
its like tww but bad
vivid vessel
I know you feel this way about outlaw but trust, other specs are like half as in...
ye well
wow players are legit playing without hands
i did a 12 on my alt earlier
i was doing 3x the damage
frail veldt
skyreach last boss has a bleed?
Oh maybe im mixing up wind runner spire
carmine mountain
I hear you Lok but it sucks man it depends on your rolls and you cant just reroll so what else to do if you press every button on time and still remain bottom dps
vivid vessel
people are legit handicapped
vivid vessel
it is by far the worse its ever been
grim spear
Like law is obviously still harder than most melee even if it is a shadow of tww
but it's hard in all the wrong ways, just tedium
vivid vessel
tww was legit the best we ever had
fathom bramble
Zero agency you just sit there and do no dam
elder sonnet
fatebound would feel much better sure, but we're stuck playing tricker so what to do
carmine mountain
plus trickster has it where if its not 3+ you dont KiR talk about being handicap much its like ughhhh
vivid vessel
waht we have rn
i would rather
be perma 3
and we tune outlaw
around that
and we remove rtb
button isnt interesting
kir isnt interesting
i dont get dopmaine when i roll good i just get sad when im rolling 2s
i have 0 agency
dropping to 1 you are not even a spec
idk
carmine mountain
ppl complain about button to press, blizz wanted to make it en easier spec but no new players will play outlaw like EVER
elder sonnet
bring back combat
carmine mountain
hopefully they do something nice cause im not pushing super high keys but even in keys my tank would just keep on moving so whats the point of cover if i have to move all the time otherwise my tank get clapped
so i went back fatebound
carmine mountain
is it? pretty sure it was like 10s max everytime i went out
elder sonnet
god i really hope they don't "fix" that
carmine mountain
even with proper stats i feel starved all the time and rtb is just so freaking awful and lets not talka bout ks
craggy barn
our passive dr being gone just because our stat prio shifted tremendously
buoyant stratus
I was kinda surprised, blizzard was on an empowered spell kick. I fully expected an empowered rtb lmfao
buoyant stratus
Nothing like ruining the outlaw flow than standing still channeling an empowered spell for 4 seconds
vivid vessel
whatever the fuck
craggy barn
ah
vivid vessel
channel
carmine mountain
channeling lol
buoyant stratus
Yeah like fdk first rework and slicing winds
craggy barn
people did not like empowered breath
carmine mountain
might just go enh shaman again idk
craggy barn
so they changed it
buoyant stratus
Nop
craggy barn
does ww not have slicing winds now
they needa stop trying to empower shit for melee
empower ranged players
like empowered aimed shot would be cool
carmine mountain
bro its the worst melee season ive ever had
strange kelp
like empowered aimed shot would be cool
Please no, they would make it a 9sec empower
fathom bramble
Worst melee season in years
strange kelp
"well the original cast is 3s so add two more stages"
fathom bramble
Prob worst since I started raiding
carmine mountain
we have a phys comp and like every dps besides me rerolled so far
craggy barn
4 second cast with 3 stages wouldnt be bad
strange kelp
Worst melee season in years
There are a few that feel okay, I think surv and arms/fury feel good
craggy barn
being able to cancel aimed shot early without losing it doesnt sound bad at all
quaint kelp
hello boiiis, 25% haste is mandatory for outlaw?
craggy barn
also lines up with the empowered fantasy
elder sonnet
ngl this is also the first time i'm legit envious of ranged players
carmine mountain
sim yourself but yeah im at 25% atm
strange kelp
Technically udk is melee but that's a joke lol
carmine mountain
dont lose hope zac hopefully soon they do something homie
grim spear
the problem is the current batch of designers are just unbelievably bad at their jobs
so what's the hope then? they swap in a smarter ai?
cursive gyro
I heard we're getting monkey arms back soon. And another charge of AR. And precise cuts. That's what I heard.
grim spear
whats monkey arms
grim spear
zinc briar
tic tac
waiting for out dk
trying to do the skip
he dies
lalalalala
he res
he dies again to be ressed up
we can do it
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble
how much of dk damage is phjysical
how can i know that
like when i open a log of them
its all blue
and purple
and shit
fathom bramble
pretty sure it's like all magic
vivid vessel
wintry solar
Melee and pet attacks
vivid vessel
does it mean only this is phys
fathom bramble
yeah those 2 bars are phys or component phys
wintry solar
Oh yeah NC how could I forget
vivid vessel
our dk is on monk side
cinder relic
Dont forget this part!
wintry solar
I think so?
gaunt phoenix
if you expand the pet dmg
wintry solar
You cant necrotic coil when disarmed. Thought that was funny
strange kelp
their pets melee
Does it work on pets? I thought it didn't buff pets but idr
gaunt phoenix
its a debuff on the target to take more physical dmg
craggy barn
monk buff still isnt a significant bonus for dks
vivid vessel
!fuu
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vivid vessel
waht about ret
rough oriole
think same thing
craggy barn
ret is mostly holy
vivid vessel
ye i guess im just getting trolled for free
craggy barn
ye
vivid vessel
we have ret and unohly on monk side
craggy barn
giga trolled
vivid vessel
and me on no monk side
craggy barn
u on left side?
craggy barn
i thought it did if on left side
cinder relic
I mean the boss kinda just dies to skill not so much damage
U could genuinely make the sides based on "which dummy has to do less memory games"
vivid vessel
I mean the boss kinda just dies to skill not so much damage
we are trying to skip the last soak and memory game
you know at 8 min
craggy barn
guy doesnt atro work on left side and get replicated to right aide
vivid vessel
and we actually wiped
craggy barn
or was i getting trolled
vivid vessel
at 1%, 0.3%
cinder relic
guy doesnt atro work on left side and get replicated to right aide
yeh
cinder relic
Oof
craggy barn
so ur raid is trolling u zac
cinder relic
Yeah thats bad vibes
vivid vessel
so ur raid is trolling u zac
i mean tbf
like
idk
i didnt know
this monk thing
worked like that
till last raid night
craggy barn
i mean atro too
craggy barn
its ur only leverage
vivid vessel
no
monk buff would be my leverage
if i go to my raid leader
and tell him
atro doesnt work
cause im wrong side
he will laugh at me
monk tho is an arguement
craggy barn
gl
cinder relic
Atro is actually better than aura on lura
vivid vessel
cringe
vivid vessel
Atro is actually better than aura on lura
ye but there is legit 0 damage in p3
who even cares
cinder relic
craggy barn
does aura even reach the other side
cinder relic
huge
vivid vessel
does aura even reach the other side
i thought it was a raid buff ?
cinder relic
does aura even reach the other side
no
cinder relic
aura is 40 yards
craggy barn
its radius from pala
cinder relic
Which, most of the time is
But when you have to go to two different ends of the arena it isn't
Like on razsageth it'd also not work on both sides yk
cinder relic
I'm also p sure it doesn't work on upstairs downstairs
craggy barn
it doesnt
craggy barn
chim might be diff bc of how the phasing works
bc ur still able to interact with the other side
craggy barn
imo split skyfury
and give us the atk speed
thing
skyfury is op af being a double buff
radiant wyvern
windfury is shamans whole shit though
craggy barn
yea fuck em
radiant wyvern
radiant wyvern
if we steal their shit then its net zero though
normal hawk
I thought being a cowboy gambler was your thing
radiant wyvern
nothing cool added just the same amount of buff
tender wedge
That’s actually a really cool idea
craggy barn
fatebound shouldve been execute
since we share it with sin
like increased bonuses onheads and tails at execute
or sometimhing
even just more tails dam
keen belfry
i think im slowly coming around to teh fact that this outlaw is actually as bad as we thought it was gonna be all beta
i was enjoying it more than i thought i would for awhile
but this rtb and energy is actually shitting in my pants
vivid vessel
i think im slowly coming around to teh fact that this outlaw is actually as bad ...
no shit !
its actually worse
than what i thjought on beta
which i didnt think would be possible
lmao
keen belfry
i think its what i thought it was now
craggy barn
its still better than any other spec for me but its a pretty large step down from tww
keen belfry
but man
vivid vessel
at least on beta i didnt know it was that rng
keen belfry
its actually beocming really shit to me
yeah the rng part is actaully the worst
why is arms warrior as fun as outlaw rogue man
i think the newness of whatever this outlaw is has faded and its really cock blowing
at a lot of points in every key i run
vivid vessel
i think the newness of whatever this outlaw is has faded and its really cock blo...
i think fatebound also carried the spec
for a bit
trickster is legitimaly ass
or rather
normal outlaw
every builder getting you to 5
is ass
fatebound at least fixed that issue
keen belfry
yuh i want fatebound back but i want perma tricks but i want energy but i want better rtb
vivid vessel
ye idk
i think hero talents
legit ruined the game
i have to chose the best dps hero talent
which fine
i get it
keen belfry
i like hero talents we just have the worse ones in the game
vivid vessel
but then i cant play the best utility talent rogue has ever gotten?
keen belfry
literally like 3 of the worst hero trees in the game exist wtihin rogue
vivid vessel
literally like 3 of the worst hero trees in the game exist wtihin rogue
imo 4
we forget fatebound in tww
they fixed it in midngiht but like
tww fatebound
is an atrocity
keen belfry
the guy who sells his UI?
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
non proccing capstone, have to extend it in keys, anti funnel
fully bugged
break stealth
have to do vanish bte macro
need a cancel aura for opener
like
you forgot awang
it was bad bad
craggy barn
outlaw cooked with crackshot, and rogue has been pretty mediocre design wise everywhere else
keen belfry
oh ye was vanish gs bte macro
even if fried gameplay i enjoyed fatebound raid in tww s3
but maybe masked behind crackshot and stuff
craggy barn
remember that we had to play fb for sprocket
keen belfry
and maybe i just liked it cuz it was a bandaid fix for fatebound
grim spear
fatebound feels like an unbearable half finished thing
maybe quarter finished thing
or worse
the whole tree could be deleted and it wouldn't matter, just replace it with one node: you gain xx energy regen, xx% damage
and we are good to go
vivid vessel
sure but rn that +1cp fixes the whole spec so
grim spear
craggy barn
zac, their next major change to rog will just be removing removing deep strat. without any compensation buffs
keen belfry
i have hopes for s2 no cap
i think we wil get energy buffs and a bandaid tierset that gets implented into our tree in s3
craggy barn
the energy buffs is just having more haste on gear pepw
keen belfry
im thninking we get a rtb tierset
and maybe BR energy gain buffs, fatal flourish fix rework
straight up BR should always be a press on CD button and i hope its buffed so thats the case without s1 tier
craggy barn
apex tierset probably
keen belfry
i think BTE being a guaranteed bullet stored would be super fun
craggy barn
or like old tornado trigger, and opportunity stores a bullet
imagine they make it opportinity stavks bullets plus gsw
pepw
gsw without crackshot does make sense now tho
keen belfry
and plz reduce cost of SS
more bullets would actually be a huge energy buff without even touching energy directly
make BTE store bullts
ty
outer meteor
on it
keen belfry
ty
craggy barn
2p: ss costs 5 less energy, consuming 3 stacks of opportunity hides 1 bullet
4p: consuming 6 stacks of opportunity empowers ur next bte. when gravedigger triggers, ur next pistol shots that consumes opportunity stacks does increased damage
or something
craggy barn
ye
or ur next pistol shot shoots bte
like old tornado trigger
they wont do that tho
keen belfry
2p: bte now stores bullets
4p: apex resets no longer consume zero in stacks on use (but still gain dmg/crit bonus)
craggy barn
idk if theyd do 4p like that
keen belfry
youd genuinely have burst as outlaw, or mini burst cause 2 supercharged max zero in stack bte wuold be A LOT of dmg
keen belfry
idk if theyd do 4p like that
ok but we are jjus speculating lol
keen belfry
or something
idk if theyd do 4p like that
craggy barn
what if, gravedigger triggers supercharge a combo point
keen belfry
idk if theyd do 4p like that
i also have no clue what u mean
like when u get a gravedigger stack u get a supercharged stack?
keen belfry
im always down for more supercharged btes
but meh just give me more palmed bullets that goes a long way for energy
like a long long way
plush grove
Any gamers try out Theifs versatility over Flickering steel yet?
craggy barn
maybe they just let bte trigger scoundrel strike lol
keen belfry
i dont want just a dmg proc tierset
no ty
we are in s2/s3 tier sets now, we are looking for potential additions to talent tree
the bandaid tiersets i call em
rough oriole
anyone willing to take a quick look at my log for last boss of Windrunner?
craggy barn
Any gamers try out Theifs versatility over Flickering steel yet?
its ok in short fights. ur leaving energy on the table to take vers tho
buoyant stratus
i dont want just a dmg proc tierset
Yeah bud you're getting Ambush can palm a bullet and Pistol Shot casts reduce the cd of Between the Eyes by X
HO tier set
lock in
keen belfry
cant wait
craggy barn
they gonna remove ho
keen belfry
i do see HO rework incoming, whether remove or copltely change
but its for sure just ignored and left so shit for a reason rn
craggy barn
its not touched now bc its not good
tender wedge
but its for sure just ignored and left so shit for a reason rn
Can barely pay attention to rogues at all, might be too much to ask they make multiple builds viable for a single spec 🥲
plush grove
its ok in short fights. ur leaving energy on the table to take vers tho
Do you ever really feel energy starved?
keen belfry
current rogue, especially trickster, you are goin to have moments of you cant press shit
buoyant stratus
Do you ever really feel energy starved?
literally always lmao
keen belfry
basically revolving around mainting BF at low targets
keen belfry
do we think they revert deft changes
keen belfry
they will i bet 100 billion dollars
craggy barn
even tho we will still insist on sitting at 21-28
keen belfry
whether indirectly or directly, our energy will be better next season (unrelated to haste builds)
outer meteor
surely
keen belfry
i think so legit
craggy barn
2p: ambush palms a bullet, max bullets is 12
4p whenever a bullet is palmed, gain 1 energy. consuming gravvedigger increases ambush damage by x
keen belfry
builders storing bullets sounds unbelievably OP
steel shadow
early xpac tier sets are always 😴
craggy barn
yea but awang, ambush isnt always avail
keen belfry
i mean neither is ss
ps
i just think BTE storing bullets would be so banger and fun chains
but, tying in more dmg to bte resets is dangerous for rng
craggy barn
what if they gave us frenzy and power charges
steel shadow
for each combo point spent on killing spree gain 2% agility for 20 seconds
thats what demo warlocks had in mfo lmfao
craggy barn
consuming opporunity stacks increases the chance to palm a bullet for ur next dispatch per stack consumed
blissful gate
what if they gave us frenzy and power charges
outlaw posting so doomed theyre tryna poe the class
vagrant saddle
people thinking we will get fun tier sets 
it will be bte dmg bonus is increased by 2% and inc damage for gravedigger procs by 1% per cp
craggy barn
critically striking gives us a frenzy charge.
killing spree consumes a frenzy charge every .5 seconds, teleporting u behind enemies
crystal granite
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dull geyser
if we have loaded dice before an AR window do we send to possibly get a better roll? then send ar then rtb sometime inside?
craggy barn
depends on buff
if double, then u could
if triple then u could if its about to expire
if jack then no
craggy barn
makes up for that windrunner
austere hawk
love that i can tell on the meters whenever the other rogue in my group got jackpot off pull
wooden escarp
this was first pull pit
Wtf, how
keen belfry
jackpot and bte resets and good play
wooden escarp
Have vídeo?
vagrant saddle
yellow dk 
lethal oak
keen belfry
Have vídeo?
vivid vessel
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mGwHlhyxTrQPyqlwH?invite=cr-MSxVW...
NICE
i like those
also awang
wooden escarp
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mGwHlhyxTrQPyqlwH?invite=cr-MSxVW...
What stats
wooden escarp
U so giga chad
vivid vessel
is that the "rotation" to hit the highest peak
isnt the best rotation
like technically you would want to chain adr faster
than you sometimes can
know what i mean or
keen belfry
yes but how do u achieve that
vivid vessel
yes but how do u achieve that
well like, sometimes you proc bte a lot and then you have to wait for adr after for a bit
which isnt bad
but then your peak will be lower
but your damage the whole pull will be higher
keen belfry
yes i usually try hold a bte at end if its close, but idk if tahts even right
vivid vessel
and then again, if you actually want the highest peak i think you can just adr again inside the first adr
keen belfry
yea
keen belfry
weird Q, but if u AR early early in AR to supercharge 3rd/4th bte if first 2 reset, how much ar uptime do u even lose
since u are sacrifcing ar uptime for ar cdr
know what im asking?
olive bramble
5~10s
vivid vessel
since u are sacrifcing ar uptime for ar cdr
ok but that adr cdr isnt real
if you waste cdr
no
like imagine if you do that everytime
kinda gege
keen belfry
but u know what i mean right
vivid vessel
i know but i dont !
keen belfry
like obvi this is bad but u dont waste any AR CDr unless im thining about it wrong
but u also just wasite like 15 seconds of AR uptime
so obvi bad
vivid vessel
ok but
you arent wasting adr cdr either
if you press adr right after the other adr
unless you think adr cp gen + sc is worth more
than adr buff
craggy barn
whyd u delay ks before ur next ar, couldnt u have just pressed that instead of dispatch
keen belfry
peak purposes
craggy barn
ah
vivid vessel
nah i disagree
keen belfry
surely skipping KS there let me hit 1mil
vivid vessel
i would have ks into insta canel
keen belfry
u think?
vivid vessel
i mean idk
keen belfry
probs couldve ye
vivid vessel
i think its similar
craggy barn
ks isnta cancel ye
keen belfry
i dont think much about KS
craggy barn
yea
vivid vessel
2 dispatches i mean
craggy barn
one of em coulda been ks
vivid vessel
i would have done ks > bf > coup
now it might be less instant damage tho
idk how much 1 tick of ks is
prolly not much
but you get 2 ub so
i mean its better in the long run
i understnad wanting riding the high tho
craggy barn
that pul is a cuck the warlock pul isnt it
craggy barn
fr
vivid vessel
was the end of the pack already
vivid vessel
ye
craggy barn
isnt that 1 less pack than people normally pull too
vivid vessel
ye i think so
but then the pack setup was quite quick
so
higher dps
on details
craggy barn
yea
random stirrup
maybe im jsut fried rn
48.67% vs. 46.15% ar uptime
