outlaw

[brittle lake]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tiririca-safadao--k01KR3XCJGZVN25V6DXF1Z14V5J

[timid portal]

ovid and solo 1v1 in silvermoon

[mighty pivot]

remember when awang was supposed to compete against nessa but then he pussied out?

[wind pond]

am I crazy or does precasting roll the dice sometimes make the buff dissappear from cdm

it'll like flicker on and off

idk if it's actually disappearing for real or not

[gaunt phoenix]

rtb can disappear from cdm, but i dont think it's related to precasting

^

[wind pond]

understandable, thankyou

feels like it happens way more often when precasting

maybe I just notice it then

[brittle lake]

does this look right

[thorn plinth]

no

wrong spec

[brittle lake]

fair

[vivid vessel]

Well you are missing the texture I use on bars

Also open acdm

Top left

Fix CDM or whatever

Click the button

[daring venture]

hey guys, when in raid are you trying to put the cloud on the boss at the opening or u just do it and then do the normal opener ?

because it's kinda hard to go in melee

[inland acorn]

it doesn't matter currently

buff is bugged, and will refresh when smoke disappears

[daring venture]

rly ?

[inland acorn]

yes

so you get buff uptime even if you're not in the smoke

[daring venture]

damn that's great lol

ty

[tribal oasis]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[unique fulcrum]

anyone here usiing ellesmere ui?

[upper hawk]

i installed it. it showed the wrong roll the bones buff within like 30 seconds on the dummies and i uninstalled it

[vivid vessel]

Thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

!ban @cobalt leaf spam

[vapid salmon]

Another wonderful day of m+ is beginning

[dim parrot]

Yo I thought dk was gonna suck this week but I was wrong

[random stirrup]

udk was so far ahead they would have needed to do another 5-10% to actually push it out of meta

[vivid vessel]

Brother

It got a 7% AOE nerf

And 2 % st

Wdym suck

They don't even play with raid buff btw

[cinder relic]

U sound like the Aug players larping on dev this week

[vivid vessel]

If you put them in a comp with sham and war it's instant 12% more damage

[cinder relic]

"Aug got a 2% Nerf guys it's Time to reroll"

Pull up on Devourer do mickeu mouse melee damage LOLOL

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw got nerfed by more than aug

[random stirrup]

erm actually zac, udk doesnt care about windfury at all

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

Is that true

[random stirrup]

ye

[vivid vessel]

Feels like thats absolute cap

[random stirrup]

my sim gains like 1.6% from shaman buff

you dont have anything auto related

[leaden sonnet]

But hey at least they have poor defensives, mobility, and utility to make up for it

[random stirrup]

fdk still gains like 7% or something though

but the udk guy does not

[vivid vessel]

Ye poor dks

[dim parrot]

Makes sense since they ranged

Is Zac’s UI easy to install

Mine pissing me off kinda

[random stirrup]

ye

[vivid vessel]

It's not

Or well

[random stirrup]

noob?

[dim parrot]

Damn

[shell fossil]

my buddy used to make paypal jokes for carrying in esea pugs

aeheh

[vivid vessel]

Depends how good you are at following instructions

[dim parrot]

Just give me 1 WA package

[vivid vessel]

Ye sorry

[random stirrup]

I already had all the textures from before so maybe it was a bit easier

i did have to spend an hour setting up acdm though

[dim parrot]

F

That long time

[vivid vessel]

I mean I don't think it's particularly hard

Id you follow instructions

But like

I have people tell me they don't have the texture

[random stirrup]

mostly setting up like 6 specs and changing things to my personal preference

[vivid vessel]

And then I ask them if they follow the sharedemedia guide

And they don't know what it is

[dim parrot]

Lolll

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue at this point imo idk

[shell fossil]

bro i can't even import fonts right

just make an installer

[vivid vessel]

Ye bro I know how to make an installer

Just read instructions

[random stirrup]

for my guy its 2.5% st and 1.8% aoe

its basically just the mastery

and the auto damage

[vivid vessel]

Ok..

[wind pond]

first dreamrift on my rogue and I roll oozing vestige

do I make a new rogue

[random stirrup]

ye

[covert raft]

I think about this a lot

[main bone]

Ive never did WA or anything that requires setup before

i followed the guide under your youtube video

and set it up on both my devices in like 10 minutes

perfectly goated guide

[gaunt phoenix]

so easy even a hunter could do it

[shell fossil]

nah bruh i should be casting blade rush on cd :b

https://tenor.com/view/izutsumi-dungeon-meshi-dunmeshi-izutsumi-dungeon-meshi-laios-gif-17562507667720825158

[main bone]

The "UwUi" Guide 👀

[quiet ore]

Idk. My mm hunter friends stopped playing after the rework adding explosive shot back in to the rotation, saying it was "too many buttons"

[main bone]

weird, i stopeed playing hunter as survival got too easy

[vivid vessel]

10 min? That's fast

[main bone]

maybe like per device 👀

[random stirrup]

paid chatter

[main bone]

felt hella fast

[mild hull]

Can confirm setup is easy if you can follow instructions.

[vivid vessel]

Swear it would take me more than 10 min omegalul

[shell fossil]

keep panda out of beam when dreadflail alive

[vivid vessel]

Paid chatter number 2 gg

[shell fossil]

or advanced move

[main bone]

my daily wow experience proves that can be very difficult

[shell fossil]

angle dreadflail away from rogue

[random stirrup]

ravenholdt cabal astroturfing zac ui

[shell fossil]

panda attack speed/cast time debuff while adds are alive

uhhhhhhhhh

[main bone]

the only thing id love to change is cc location - i always scan entire screen way too long beofre finding it, even though i play like this for soon a month

those, but no easy guide to follow, so im too retrded again

[inland acorn]

it's in /acdm

[mild hull]

^

[vivid vessel]

Click on the grp title ye

Then you can move around

[radiant dock]

how big is the loss if you just dispatch on 5 as trickster

[placid ocean]

The grey parsing mm hunter in my raid claims she has an 8 button rotation

[placid ocean]

You lose 100% aura. Not sure about dps though

[lone surge]

which stun do we use in m+? im new to rogue

cheap or kidney or both and which one first

[cinder relic]

cheap is stealth only

So probably kidney

[worldly zephyr]

I acquired a myth solar flare prism via bonus roll yesterday. The dopamine!

[shell fossil]

if you have a warlock you might need cheap shot more often

[radiant dock]

i was gonna go farm a regular solar flare prism but it sims worse than the renown trinket

save myself the time ig

[shell fossil]

can you upgrade renown trink with the boost thing in two weeks?

295 crucible would probably go crazy style

[random stirrup]

no only hero track and myth track

[radiant dock]

ye

[random stirrup]

crucible go kaboom

[viscid quartz]

281 ilvl outlaw rogue with stare and prism on myth, doin average 170-180k dps in +-12 keys. am i cooked?

[gaunt phoenix]

No that doesn't sound that weird

[viscid quartz]

i cant seem to get that 200-220k dps mark

idk what im doin wrong

[frail veldt]

Tank pull bigger

[viscid quartz]

in bigger keys when it lives longer i still dint have more than 193k overall

in +15

[frail veldt]

What comp you running

[viscid quartz]

but i play without shaman

i just pug

mostly brew tank heal drui and random

usually dh and some bl

is it the sham buff?

the fact i dont play phys comp?

[shell fossil]

it's hard to tell with outlaw if you're ahead on timer sometimes

[frail veldt]

The shaman buff is like 7%

[viscid quartz]

hmmm

[shell fossil]

idk with sin you just look after first pack and if kb is still cooling down you're ahead

idk how it is for outlaw tbh

hit upwards of 300k in a bear/dk/warlock/rsham first pull in a seat 16 today noob stuff :p

[fickle relic]

How bad is fatebound in comparison to trickster rn?

[gaunt phoenix]

its like 1-4% worse

[keen belfry]

what should i spend rolls on guys

[jagged plover]

[formal saffron]

Question I have a myth fist weapon - bonus roll

[frail veldt]

prob trinkets?

[formal saffron]

Should I then craft dagger for OH?

[frail veldt]

are those hero track?

or just not upgraded

[keen belfry]

yuh

1/2 chance on gaze next week surely i get it?

[frail veldt]

surely

cant stop now

[shell fossil]

get myth pos* neck

?

[frail veldt]

80% of gamblers stop just before they win big

[keen belfry]

seat has helm and shoulders

[keen belfry]

maybe

i have good neck

[shell fossil]

it do be a lot of crit

[buoyant cosmos]

Seats loot table is so ass

[shell fossil]

time 17 nxp and brick self key with outlaw learn hhsgh

[frail veldt]

thats prob worth then

im assuming youre out of rolls?

[shell fossil]

rolling for tier gear is 2 week process it feels like u gotta 50/50 in every dungeon for stuff

might luck might get myth latch's hook out of wr etc

[frail veldt]

this new system is nice when youre really behind but then to get those last specific pieces its a PAIN in the fucking ass

[keen belfry]

i have 4

[frail veldt]

oh nice

[keen belfry]

but no crests left this week

ive taken socket too many times

ihave giga rolls

[frail veldt]

yeah then take reroll next week if you have enough sockets

and blast

[keen belfry]

i need a myth helm so i can socket it

[spiral trench]

Hello why does outlaw use a dagger offhand

[gaunt phoenix]

its more Zero In procs

[frail veldt]

https://giphy.com/gifs/imRiPoKJB9R9m

[unique fulcrum]

anyone played fatebound in dungeons this new patch, how does it feel

[frail veldt]

ive heard some reports

usually goes like this

"damage was fine, died on some pulls from aggro cuz tricks was down"

[unique fulcrum]

seems accurate

[frail veldt]

yep

[shell fossil]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[shell fossil]

works on sin all da time

[frail veldt]

thats not the issue

fatebound doesnt have perma tricks

[shell fossil]

neither does assasin rogue

[frail veldt]

sin ramps damage

it doesnt need it

[shell fossil]

yeah slapping 8 targets at a time is a fast way to cause threat issues

[frail veldt]

yeah and its just so front loaded

we do damage the second we open

[gaunt phoenix]

blizzard taking notes

casting blade flurry now starts with a 2 target cap and progresses to 8 target over the duration

[frail veldt]

LOL

stop pls no

"weve listened to your feedback"

you know what I just kinda realized

[shell fossil]

how is threat calculated anyway

[frail veldt]

blizzard seems to operate like a genie in a bottle

where when you make a wish

it tries to come up with the worst possible solution

that satisfies your request

[shell fossil]

are your damage numbers or frequency of damage used to determine if something is gonna hit you i never knew tbh

cause you can rip threat on sin sometimes if tank slacks

[frail veldt]

I think its just dps

some abilities have tweaks

like sub I think generates less threat during shadow dance

cuz it was such a problem

since their burst is insane

threat formula is weird I think its based on like how much damage has been done in the last X seconds

which is why if a tank stops hitting something you can still pull threat eventually

im sure somewhere online someone has analyzed this

[vivid vessel]

dance gives a like

-10000000 threat mult

or smth

so you insta lose agro

[keen belfry]

why my dam in single ass

[frail veldt]

LOL is it that high?

[vivid vessel]

ye

its big numba

[gaunt phoenix]

in wow classic

pretty sure energy generation that was not passive regen

contributes to threat

[shell fossil]

idk they can just ignore threat generated by blade flurry

but then the guy who made perma tricks is down weird

squeaky wheel stuff :p

[random stirrup]

healing still has aggro

[frail veldt]

Sure yeah I meant per second

[random stirrup]

we've had a couple deaths on aa first pull to dev dhs hitting soul immolation (self heal that gens fury and souls) and jst ripping on all the little lashers and getting instakilled

very awesome

[frail veldt]

As in it's based on how much dps/hps you've done over the last X amount of time with some decay formula probably

[random stirrup]

does it not still work like classic?

where its just a raw total number

[keen belfry]

chillen can u invite MY guild bear to ur key idk if urin here

oh u did thanks

why my dam in single ass

[midnight granite]

Saving crests this week so I can max alt next week then send rogue for cheap. Idk how this happened but alt is like 2ilvl higher lmao

Noob

[frail veldt]

As war?

[keen belfry]

slaYer arms kinda blats ST

[vivid vessel]

guys

why does

bf buff bar

disapear

when yotu vanish ?

xd

[trim harbor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gt3fXVjrbz4KcQpq?type=damage-done&fight=5&by=source

giga chad run double rogue i was trash but time is time who cares

[vivid vessel]

konaz

i used to watch her in sl

back when she was still playing the real rogue spec

[haughty rose]

ehy guys, is anyone having issues with tricks of the trade, like i use it and in some pulls i still get aggro

[vivid vessel]

are you playing trickster

[haughty rose]

yupp

i use so tricky talent aswell

[vivid vessel]

when you press tricks, you get a 30s buff, this buff isnt tricks, you need to activate it first hitting something

then you get a 1 h buff

and hm

the way threat works is that if your tank got initial threat

be it hitting mobs or walking into them

you can hit them under tricks

and you will never get agro back

if you just run into mobs and are the first target tho

you will get meleed

unless you hit them first, and they arent in direct melee of you

like hitting with pistol shot

[haughty rose]

okay so do i need to wait 30 seconds before attacking?

no sorry

i just need to attack first like with pistol shot

then i get tricks

and i can cleave

giving tank the aggro

[vivid vessel]

well unless tank have initial threat

if tank walked trough mobs you can hit them

[haughty rose]

okay thank you very much

[violet osprey]

do u ever get the vers passive

if ur above 25 on haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

probably some threshold where it's worth but generally shouldn't be

[stone blaze]

!rotation

[plush mesa]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[ancient cobalt]

guys this spec so rng

[hearty edge]

part of the thrill

[ancient cobalt]

some pulls im chad other pulls im not chad

i saw that u can roll away 2s even without kir it dont give a gaf

[buoyant stratus]

The chad 110k jackpot vs the virgin 80k double troubke

[ancient cobalt]

when i hit a jackpot and the lura adds come up

[hearty edge]

when i hit a jackpot on trash

[quaint wharf]

when i double trouble on open into prep into another double trouble 🔥

[vivid vessel]

i swear to god

in p1

i did as low as 90k

and as high at 150k

boss damage

this is real btw

3min phase

[long barn]

But blizzard said they were gonna make us less rng

They promised

[vivid vessel]

I love how they "fixed" rtb cause noobs complained it was too rng

And we got the most rng version of rtb we ever had

Complete turbo dog

[hearty edge]

literally

[long barn]

This is accurate. Worst decision ever

[hearty edge]

i was just thinking even with how random old rtb was i felt like you could game yourself into something favorable

[vivid vessel]

Yes be cause we had cto

And kirring cto

[hearty edge]

^^

[vivid vessel]

So you were always averaging the same thing really

Like rtb CtO kir into another roll after kir keeping your kired buffs

Is such insane rng protection

It's legit 3 layers

[summer nimbus]

i dunno if it was rng they wanted to fix. think they just wanted to simplify rtb which seems to be the design philosophy of midnight class changes

[vivid vessel]

Ye well

Now I'm bored

Every spec in wow is boring

If I wanted 4 buttons specs I would play fellowship (more engaging spec designs than wow now)

We used to meme on fellowship being so simple

[summer nimbus]

yea well unfortunately blizzard prefers to cater for the 95% rather than the 5%

[vivid vessel]

And wow went above and beyond

And managed to do worse

Kinda wild

Like bro I remember when fellowship first released

[mighty pivot]

it will be fixed next expansion guys don't worry

"we listened to the feedback"

[vivid vessel]

And we were talking about how every spec is kinda just boring

3 buttons

No procs

And that's every wow spec now

Some are legit worse than fellowship specs

[hearty edge]

claude listened to the feedback

[vivid vessel]

By a huge margin even

[mighty pivot]

what about procs which you cannot track, or they are broken when being tracked? absolute circus

[random stirrup]

that game just doesnt feel good idk

none of my buttons feel like they do anything

[vivid vessel]

ye i know

but purely rotation and spec design

idk

some fellowship specs are 2x more engaging than wow specs

[desert tendon]

I agree

[leaden sonnet]

It has some good stuff ideas that wow should yoink though

[desert tendon]

Mara is actually 20 times harder than anything in wow

[vivid vessel]

and yes sub is a good example of this

fellowship rogue is 10x what sub is rn

still feels like shit tho

[desert tendon]

Even the bleed mara is a better assa

[leaden sonnet]

Like the person pulling a mob gets sizeable threat so you can gather stuff as a tank on a mount without worrying about a single hot pulling aggro

And dps can hit the mobs with some stuff

[random stirrup]

i can easily track kicks on nameplates with the focus target stuff 🙂

[desert tendon]

I d like to get the kick tracker from fellowship tho

It was banger

[near rock]

time to pick up a new game

[leaden sonnet]

Ye that too

[near rock]

wow will become more fun for u if u take a break

[vivid vessel]

yo wtf thats goated

[worldly zephyr]

i agree. used to love sub. so satisfying. now i refuse to play it.

[glass breach]

Logging in on sub when prepatch hit and half my buttons are just empty was wild.
It doesn't even need OBR

[vivid vessel]

hm

i stopped playing wow a bit during end of tww to midnight

was playing league

[random stirrup]

i think an alternative for some ppl is they need to branch out

[desert tendon]

Yea in fellowship

[vivid vessel]

came back for midnight

MIDNIGHT

[desert tendon]

Tank passive aggro works

[random stirrup]

i dont think i enjoy any of the rogue specs anymore really

both dps dks have been engaging

[desert tendon]

I mean

[random stirrup]

rotationwise

[desert tendon]

A break is 1 or 2 expac

Not half a season

[leaden sonnet]

Like censi said their "kick tracker" basically shows who has focused a mob and their kick cd on the nameplate of a mob

[random stirrup]

it helps that they didnt get pruned

[desert tendon]

That s Just normal way to play wow

That was so good eleem

[vivid vessel]

no ye i knew abotu that but

the tank threat thing

[desert tendon]

Also shorter dungeons

[vivid vessel]

thats kinda crazy

[desert tendon]

Was maybe too short

But 1 or 2 bosses dungeons feel better

Also everyone get a loot at the end

[vivid vessel]

they do for sure

censi

its something i think about a lot

how like

floodgate right

if it stopped at swampface

would have legit been the best dungeon ever made

but they chose to ruin it

[desert tendon]

Would have been banger

[vivid vessel]

by adding a completly useless second area

[desert tendon]

Route diversity

[vivid vessel]

no one wants to play

[desert tendon]

And good lenght

[vivid vessel]

with another boss

[glass breach]

Big agree

[vivid vessel]

• 8 min of dungeon

for nothing

[desert tendon]

Imo

[random stirrup]

cinderbrew without the last boss and awful trash pack

[vivid vessel]

legit like they need to hit a treshold of key timer

[desert tendon]

20mn should be good

1 or 2 bosses

Gg

[vivid vessel]

bro

right

like

half the dungeons get ruined

[desert tendon]

That s why i stopped

:)

[vivid vessel]

by last area

for no reason

[glass breach]

My group would say that every time we did floodgate

[random stirrup]

stonevault without the last boss and awful trash pack

[vivid vessel]

bro

WTF

this works with every dungeon ! !

[radiant wyvern]

stone vault was goated

[random stirrup]

stonevault was still goated though true

loved that dungeon

[desert tendon]

My favorite dungeon was RLP

[radiant wyvern]

idk why everyone hated it

[vivid vessel]

pit last part is also dog boring !

[desert tendon]

29mn, 3 bosses, difficult but fair

[craggy barn]

every dungeon should just be violet hold

[whole vale]

man mara is not hard

[jolly geyser]

I like 3 boss dungeons

[random stirrup]

i like the big pull right after you free the last set of guys though zac

[vivid vessel]

guys what is this guy in my guild doing

[random stirrup]

that one is fun

[radiant wyvern]

i did like the short fellowship dungeons

[hearty edge]

i feel like without a difficult last section to dungeons everyone would be good then everyone would complain that everyone is good

[radiant wyvern]

even the long capstone ones were only 3 bosses max

[jolly geyser]

old bug

[hearty edge]

timing wise sure faster is nice but like its an infinite complaint loop

[blissful idol]

Nokhud offensive was really good for me

[random stirrup]

make the other parts harder idk

[vivid vessel]

loved that dungoen

[desert tendon]

Nokhud was one too many bosses imo

[glass breach]

Bro Nokhud is in my worst of all time list lol

[desert tendon]

As well

[vivid vessel]

runied by flight tho

[jolly geyser]

Let it fly

[vivid vessel]

if nokhud would have been a no flight dungeon

[blissful idol]

Felt like playing Elden ring

[vivid vessel]

just with the zones close to each other

would have been banger

[frank viper]

talent for raid pls

link

[vivid vessel]

no

[frank viper]

pls]

[vivid vessel]

use google or whatever

[blissful idol]

no

[jolly geyser]

like talent or talents?

[fluid meadow]

or just portals at the ends to go into other zone

[hearty edge]

pin gang

[frank viper]

this or?

[random stirrup]

grok please tell me outlaw rogue raid talent

[desert tendon]

Like to everyone their own

But imo m+ are lame for few expacs

They look better now i must say

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk its fun but

[jolly geyser]

m+ a chore after 1 month for me

[vivid vessel]

i feel like they kinda ruin it everytime

[random stirrup]

the dungeons feel giga easy and boring this season idk

[vivid vessel]

by adding stuffs m+ er dont wanna do

like rp

[random stirrup]

there was so much more to do before

[vivid vessel]

and long ass parts

that are annoying

people just wanna blast mobs

[random stirrup]

but also hard because you just cant see anything

[glass breach]

DOTI was 40% RP felt like

[vivid vessel]

and you get seat last part

where you chain 2 bosses

with 1 min rp

between them

like what ?

[random stirrup]

pull 2 casters and i have no kick tracker for my group

ok guess we are eating some bolts for fun

[blissful idol]

@vivid vessel did you like everbloom? I really liked that one as well, it was the first time I opened your stream and you were in that dungeon

[vivid vessel]

goated dungeon

my favorites dungeons i think are

everbloom

brakenhide

[desert tendon]

Everbloom great

[vivid vessel]

caverns

[desert tendon]

Just the back 2 back bosses suckd imo

[vivid vessel]

cinderbrew

priory

fucking goated dungeon priory on god

[blissful idol]

I remember in everbloom the caster boss that we died without knowing why

[desert tendon]

Sanguine depths and rlp

[vivid vessel]

floodgate without 2nd area

[desert tendon]

Short

Hard

Fair

[random stirrup]

i do think stonevault and everbloom are my fav 2 dungeons of all time

[vivid vessel]

nokhud

hot take but uldaman

was a bangr

[desert tendon]

Tbf most of SL were goat

[vivid vessel]

cause you were perma chaining

all the time

[desert tendon]

Just top sucks

[vivid vessel]

go gog go go

[jolly geyser]

maw,priory,court and uuh

[vivid vessel]

heroin addict dungeon

loved it

de other side

i wanna do dos again

[blissful idol]

Ye hahah dos was bis

[jolly geyser]

troll stuff next big patch

[vivid vessel]

all sl dubngeons kinda sucked tho looking at it

[jolly geyser]

dos for sure

[desert tendon]

Uldaman would be great if there werent 5 casters per pack

[vivid vessel]

weird

[jolly geyser]

surely

[random stirrup]

I liked eco dome too

not a bad dungeon

[vivid vessel]

halls ?

eh

[blissful idol]

Mists was fun back in shadowlands

[jolly geyser]

eco dome aight

[vivid vessel]

nah no way

always hated mist

too slow

i hate the maze

[blissful idol]

Weakauras did all

For you

[vivid vessel]

mist with maze opened

sure

[desert tendon]

Sl was all about playing your spec and doing damage

You had spare time

Design of packs were good

[vivid vessel]

itsn ot about that

it breaks the flow

you wait between things

you cant chain

[desert tendon]

Affixes were back

[blissful idol]

Ye I get it

[random stirrup]

I liked first doti too but i dont think that's a popular opinion

[blissful idol]

Plaguefall was nice until last boss

[jolly geyser]

wonder if kings rest and dos are back next big patch?

[random stirrup]

ataldazar returns for the 18th time

[blissful idol]

What was the dungeon called where u were on a chess board

[jolly geyser]

upper kara

[blissful idol]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

nah that was doghist !

[jolly geyser]

lower was the more aids one

[desert tendon]

Lower khara good

[blissful idol]

Kara spooky vibe was nice

[desert tendon]

Upper kara mid

[blissful idol]

But became annoying after a bit

[desert tendon]

Upper kara had a very boring part

[jolly geyser]

lower kara with certain affixes was hell

[desert tendon]

But lenght was fine

Unless tyra

[vivid vessel]

cant believe they baked tyra into the game

and we got used to it

bosses lasting 5 min

every key

[blissful idol]

Halls of valor anyone ?

[desert tendon]

But again

[jolly geyser]

bosses feel like bosses and stuff

[desert tendon]

5 or 6 mn bosses arnt bad

They re bad if therr are 4 or 5 bosses

[keen belfry]

i need more ppl that blast to test fatebound

im bad at interpreting

[desert tendon]

Hov was fine by design but they missed it with their bugs

[fluid meadow]

what if more minibosses where u can chain and blast whole dungeon and just 1 big boss at the end

[spare dome]

any freehold enjoyers?

[mighty pivot]

@wintry solar ...can you find people that blast?

[jolly geyser]

freehold was aight ye

[random stirrup]

no

[jolly geyser]

I dont base my ranking on chain pulling and shit, just on annoying lvl

[random stirrup]

ok now range the shout, ok now there are 8 million traps in melee, ok now walk out of melee, ok now you're gripped back in, ok gamba the pistol shots on first boss and hope it goes well

[shell fossil]

idk dragon age rogue was pretty money

positional gameplay opener dependent(fireball aside)

[craggy barn]

outlaw vs sin mdi rn LOL

[vivid vessel]

blizzard hacking ?

nice bro

[gaunt phoenix]

kick tracker

[fathom holly]

we will get this 100%

[vivid vessel]

ye probably

but it wont be customisable

you will have to track what blizzard decides

which apparently is 2 things per spec on some specs

[fathom holly]

whats the skull icon for dk?

[random stirrup]

Those do all be kicks

[craggy barn]

pet interupt

[random stirrup]

Ghoul interrupt is so bad though 💀

[vivid vessel]

i mean if its stuffs like

dh aoe interupt

i never tracked that

as a kick

back when

that was an aoe cc for me

same as boomei beam

you know what i mean

[random stirrup]

The dk one is an unholy specific st kick that you can only use in cds and has a travel time

[vivid vessel]

sounds like something i would NOT wanna track

but blizzard will force it onto me

[random stirrup]

Ye tracking that is curious

Idk maybe it’s not that bad if coordinated

[vivid vessel]

waht about them tracking cds btw

how illegal is that

[wooden escarp]

supreme rogue battle

[vivid vessel]

ye

rogue in mdi whatdehelly !

[dim parrot]

Shindig rusty at law kinda

[vivid vessel]

they are playing specs they are banning btw

or at least outlaw

is getting banned

[wooden escarp]

bro the rng make they fight each other

[leaden folio]

must nerf rogue

[wooden escarp]

lol

[fathom holly]

why dont you play mdi zac

[wooden escarp]

mdi no voice

[fathom holly]

because farovers broken third leg?

[wooden escarp]

will be a a mark on history

[random stirrup]

Zac in mdi 💀

I remember

The assa incident

[vivid vessel]

1. we play 2 nights a week
2. you cant play the same spec 2 days in a row
3. training is litteraly spamming resilient keys all day ever yday you

[sacred rune]

no subtlety rogue ::/

[wooden escarp]

ye

[vivid vessel]

also its mdi

not great push

[sacred rune]

i mean, keep in mind

[vivid vessel]

if rule 2 wasnt a thing

we prolly would do great push

[random stirrup]

Isn’t it always tgp now

[vivid vessel]

without training

[random stirrup]

Or did they change that

[vivid vessel]

well no

[sacred rune]

this is fast dying pulls

[vivid vessel]

its mdi right now

idk

they just

do whatever now

ask blizzard

[sacred rune]

so subtlety technically should be good

maybe we see it played later

[vivid vessel]

with current dungeons they are kinda just perma chaining thigs

rather than doing big packs

[fathom holly]

so zerocool is going sub tomorrow or what

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think they are just securing day 1

thats also a strat

[sacred rune]

don't rly think we will see a lot of subtlety

but maybe i am wrong

[vivid vessel]

like you play your main day 1 to make sure you go to day 2

and then you lose day 2

cause you play random specs you cant play

tho i dont remember exactly how the rule works

they could be banning healer + one dps

idk if you need to ban more than that

[wooden escarp]

day 1 is 3 buns p/run i think

bans*

[vivid vessel]

3 bans on the most played specs of the day then

which i guess for zerocool team

might be healer tank aug ?

im pretty sure zerocool cant play anythimg else than sin

or they ban sin and he trolls as sub day 2

[fathom holly]

i am sure he can play mediocre sub

[vivid vessel]

ye they prolly just inting day 2

[lone crow]

hes playing sub rn

[fathom holly]

dratnos looking fucking manly with that beard

[wooden escarp]

he looks like a dwarf

[craggy barn]

rip rigs

rogs

too strong

[dim parrot]

Shindig hit slice during bubble in Windrunner :/

[eager comet]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[fathom holly]

SUB RIGHT NOW!

[jolly geyser]

man wow is so ass to watch

[long barn]

Aren’t you supposed too

[dim parrot]

Err I meann before key went in

[red pike]

Buff sub Rogue !!!!

[dim parrot]

So no slice in bubble

[long barn]

I thought that was banned

[glass shard]

outlaw in mdi maybe i geti nvites now

yippie

[sacred rune]

what happened, how did they lose 2 keys in a row?

[desert tendon]

remember when blizzard said from now on there will be one mdi and one tgp per season

and it lasted only one season

So then they said "actually we just rename tgp into mdi : tgp, and mdi stays mdi"

[ancient forge]

Do we not take Dancing steel at all for M plus or is it dependant on which dungeon?

[sturdy tartan]

does anyone have a video or something to watch for otulaw ST? i'm struggling and idk why -- i'm simming for 110k patchwerk and i'm sustatining about 67k ST on the dummies

[still matrix]

warrior tanks now good? shiettt

[vivid vessel]

bro

is dicsord still dead

hi

chat

[keen belfry]

sup

[vivid vessel]

bro

i cant send

vid

shit is cooked

i have a banger gif for you awang

wait till discord is alive again

[wintry solar]

Discord dead, nice knowing yall

[dire rampart]

so dead

[sacred rune]

Discord is cooked, they have apj problems

Api*

[jolly geyser]

fuu hacked them,its over

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

rate the opener

its new tech

[radiant wyvern]

get owned

noob

[vivid vessel]

ye what

[gaunt palm]

new record

[gaunt palm]

why did he jump u

[vivid vessel]

tank didnt hit it

he social aggroed

so he jumped on him

and he didnt have any threat

so he mleeed me

fist time this one

[keen belfry]

lets play a little better tomrorow

[vivid vessel]

ye my bad

[gaunt palm]

But you are in stealth... I feel like this expansion so many trash mobs dont respect out of combat/stealth

Its a new thing for sure

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

[radiant wyvern]

happened tww too

[vivid vessel]

its right on me

so stealth is kinda not working so close

[keen belfry]

try fatebound lil bro

[radiant wyvern]

stealthed 40yd away, mob gets pulled, instantly starts casting on you

[keen belfry]

i bet u do same dmg and have more fun

[vivid vessel]

playing fatebound in nexus btw

remember

the jumpers

when tank chain

[keen belfry]

y just nexus?

[vivid vessel]

jumping on you

insta melee

cause you take agro

instantly

:D

[keen belfry]

oh yes

mhm

good mobs

[vivid vessel]

if there is one dungeon im never playing fate in

its that one

i legit had 1 death per dungeon

in that area

always melee

[keen belfry]

cuz bad or?

[vivid vessel]

when i was fate

cause you cant do shit about it ?

[keen belfry]

i can

always

[vivid vessel]

tank doesnt get ininitial agro of it

[radiant wyvern]

noob tank?

[obtuse verge]

hey , sub main here wanna swap outlaw , is there an addon for tracking buffs?

if someone can tell me 😄

[quick girder]

@obtuse verge use the in game tracking buffs

[obtuse verge]

im not understand buffs that good atm , last time i tryharded outlaw was in bfa so

are they important to track like into bfa?

[hollow temple]

Are all our pins gone

[summer nimbus]

theres really not much to track now tbh

[hollow temple]

Or just some people

[slim hare]

cant see any pin

[hollow temple]

Seems disc is still having some issues

[gaunt phoenix]

I deleted them.

[hollow temple]

[lone surge]

Whats arr vis embellishments besides weaps. Wow head says ring and boots is the correct still?

[gaunt phoenix]

Because of bonus rolls, crafting is a bit awkward for the long run

You want 2 crafted items for the embellishment

Weapon vs random leather item doesn't really matter

Ideally you don't craft something you will bonus roll out of Pit of Saron

Since that is where outlaw should roll

[near osprey]

when you guys have 5 cps do you guys just throw 1 ss out or do you pistol shot with opportunity stacks?

[clear zephyr]

Where are the pins? Lol

[gaunt phoenix]

So you can craft Main Hand and Helm if you have no crafts

[worldly compass]

6 stacks opp = ps, otherwise strike

[unkempt iris]

Discord is broken atm

[blissful idol]

Jackpot ?

[gaunt palm]

yep

[stoic topaz]

Right now I have a mythic solar flare and a heroic umbral plume. My vault has a heroic gaze. Do you guys just always follow sims? It feels bad to swap out my myth trinket so I’d be wearing 2 heroics lol.

[unkempt iris]

Whatever is better dps is better, no matter the ilvl

[blissful idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1500206308568207370/gif305.gif

[stoic topaz]

I suppose everyone goes bonkers over the gaze trinket.

[unkempt iris]

Well yknow some of us (me) have never seen a gaze drop or appear in vault so

Im not salty…

[stoic topaz]

[unkempt iris]

[stoic topaz]

Does it proc often and get people high stacks?

[gaunt phoenix]

It's just tuned high

The procs can overlap which is pretty good

[echo tapir]

that this season xD?

[sturdy tartan]

Does anyone have a video about outlaw st? I sim about 111k in patchwork but I’m only hitting like 67-68k sustain. I have to be doing something wrong

[blissful idol]

Any season xD

[granite merlin]

Jesus why does making an outlaw ui feel like most complicated of any class

[echo tapir]

true

[thorn plinth]

!rtb

!odds

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[gaunt phoenix]

A bit old that one

Simpler times

[tight kernel]

NXP wasnt fun for me

[hollow temple]

Pins are back

[frozen quest]

anyone using numbing poison in any m+ dung?

[worldly zephyr]

uh me?

in all of them?

[thorn plinth]

was there a command for odds?

i legit rolled 2buff on loaded like 6 times

[worldly zephyr]

yeah i feel that

[thorn plinth]

wanna pistol shot opp proc myself

[worldly zephyr]

the rng doesnt seem truly random. its either feast or famine. when i get jackpot i get it like 4x in a row.

[keen belfry]

ur palying with neondh thats why

[gaunt phoenix]

The odds are here #1065730004920586350 message

Rng is definitely random. Feast or famine is part of random

If it was uniformly random then that's not random

[weary flume]

what is the best way to sim for m+?

[thorn plinth]

12 rolls 1 jackpot 1buff 10 2buff xd

i just go acro ig I cba with sleight

[obtuse verge]

is there some addon needed for playing rogue outlaw in +17 min?

[dim parrot]

Like what

[obtuse verge]

idk just asking , for tracking buff or something else

[dim parrot]

Idk add ons are kinda just UI preference stuff

!addons

Hmm

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[tight kernel]

yo true

[nova sinew]

Hide yo kids

[surreal flower]

I haven’t pushed since DF s3 and I still recognize that name

[rough oriole]

kekw

[cerulean portal]

is it ok to use castsequence macro for roll the bones+keep it rolling?

with like 5 secs reset

[vivid vessel]

no

dont do that

you wanna hold kir if you are gonna reroll with loaded dice

instead of kirring a 2 buff

[cerulean portal]

im missing buttons

need good macro

can u share urs @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

not really using any macro for rotation stuffs

only thing is like grapple @ cursor

[sly oasis]

can i bonus roll on a depleted 10 key? Or do i risk getting the same item twice

[cerulean portal]

how did u deplete a 10 xd

idk but i woudnt

[normal hawk]

Yea if you finish it you still get loot

[sly oasis]

im wondering the same

[dim parrot]

Does outlaw have good prio damage

I never look at enemy damage taken

[vivid vessel]

yes

[dim parrot]

Ok g

Was actually looking at your 22 magisters

and wondering

[fickle relic]

anybody knows how good outlaw is in pvp after the nerfs?

[dim parrot]

I think there’s a PvP channel

[clear zodiac]

in raid, if I send AR without BtE, is that always a mistake

[gray summit]

0,5%

of min max

[frail veldt]

quite mid

but ask the pvp channel

trickster was nerfed by 20% in pvp for outlaw

fatebound was nerfed by like 7-8%

[fickle relic]

They nerfed fatebound too? Lmfao

[wintry solar]

It's mid but you can land kills if you're good.

[wintry solar]

Aura nerf on top of bte nerf

[fickle relic]

Oh yeah, the bte nerf, so bs 🙁 (i haven't really played retail last 2 weeks) but it could never have been that bad

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dim parrot]

Zac listen to bang bang by IVE

[foggy cove]

just cant play outlaw i guess

[wintry solar]

I get the feeling community perception is at an all time low

[fathom bramble]

@vivid vessel

[clear tulip]

god im awful

[lucid sparrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/feral-druid-underperforming-in-midnight-season-1-looking-back-at-feral-druids-381552

@vivid vessel

are we not worse than feral druids

[torpid fiber]

let feral complain imo. the more feral gets buffed the sadder boomkin players are.

(Also, other specs complaining means we're less likely to get a rep as complainers, and being the spec that cried wolf is not really a good spot for making people care)

[fathom bramble]

feral is like the outlaw of druid specs

they are allowed

their core complain is also very real

everything in the entire post is just a knock-on effect of having their passive cleave taken away or turned into talents

and this game has too much of a discrepancy between passive cleave, active cleave, and aoe

which is very apparent on a spec like feral

[craggy barn]

i jus tknow my long time feral main friends hates the midnight changes

and put herself on resto druid

[fathom bramble]

I haven't met a feral that likes the midnight changes yet

especially chomp

like a verified actual gamer feral

not a forumgoer or random on reddit

[craggy barn]

ye

[cinder relic]

Theres a guy who plays like, every alt who likes it in my guild

[long barn]

I’ve been getting nothing but all 2s today. They need to reset the algorithm

[fathom bramble]

kind of wish RTB had deck of cards(maybe a league term?) rng

[long barn]

Exactly

Cause this rng is wack

[fathom bramble]

a 'deck' with all possible outcomes at the correct weights is shuffled and then you are kind of gauranteed to not get super unlucky

since removing cards that represent a 1/2 buff would reduce their likelyhood

until whatever shuffle/redraw condition you want happens

and it repeats

[cinder relic]

I think really the entire thing would be fixed if KiR was just +1

[long barn]

In fact jackpot is so good I’m surprised it’s not worth like holding shit for it

[cinder relic]

I think it would genuinely fix a lot

[craggy barn]

its gonna be a tier set watch

[cinder relic]

Cuz going from 3, to 4 isnt that much

but going from 2, to 3 is such a big deal

[long barn]

Yea that’s fair guy

[fathom bramble]

yeah that'd help

[long barn]

Cause I think I’d feel ok using it on a 2

[fathom bramble]

I think we use to say it would be fine if they balanced the buffs too

[long barn]

And they would smooth everything out

[fathom bramble]

but now they made a system with no possibility of balancing the ebuffs

[cinder relic]

I mean any system comes with pros and cons

I like new RTB

Old RTB also had issues baked in

[fathom bramble]

yeah I like it too

[long barn]

I’d rather track it

[fathom bramble]

I think 3/4 could also simply just be weaker

[long barn]

I felt like I could maybe beat luck with good play

[cinder relic]

Despite the RTB rules being fairly simple if you actually know, it was a lot of "noise"

[fathom bramble]

yeah it was more big skill floor than anything else

ignoring cto

cto I think adds actual substance beyond the noise

[cinder relic]

I agree

I don't think every design needs to be with joey noober in mind but like

It is a lot of stuff going on even if it didn't "really matter"

since it was just you know, keep if 2, it didn't really matter what 2 a lot of the time

I like CTO and KiR was nice though

I think current KiR is stinky

mainly cuz the 3+ rule exists

[fathom bramble]

current kir isn't even that strong it's just like the least weak thing we can put on with our last couple talent points

so it feels really meh

[cinder relic]

which isn't exactly KiR's fault but they can design it in a way to fix it

[fathom bramble]

I think they could reduce the effect of 3/4

or rework dragon-bone to be gaining those effects whether the buffs are active or not

[cinder relic]

Or just KiR +1

[fathom bramble]

3/4 being so much stronger is just such a massive swing relying on 1 50/50 that you can't even often attempt

[cinder relic]

It'd both buff it to be more impactful, and also make it less rng yk

[fathom bramble]

true

or

both 🤔

[cinder relic]

TRUE

[fathom bramble]

reduce variance and buff kir with +1 while nerfing it by making better buffs a little weaker so it doesn't turn into a 7% talent

10% talent ?

[craggy barn]

the nonsense last night makes me want them to make a crossover hero talent tier set season

[cerulean portal]

trickster sims better than fb but i do more dmg in fb im confused x_x

[torpid fiber]

natural variance and/or you're playing ts worse (and/or damage profile things)

[surreal scroll]

How do pirates even play with all these bugs lmao. I don't think there is any other spec that is this bugged

[long bramble]

Today I had a wonderful discussion with a guy that told that ddh is harder than outlaw cause you want to greed casts and with m+ mechs is hard to min max dps

What do you think

[fathom bramble]

I think that it's hard to render judgement without playing both specs at a high level

although that specific reasoning sounds hella bogus

ddh has the dynamic cd skillcap that is more real than needing to greed casts

[long bramble]

I think after you do the seasonal dungeons 30 Times each you understand when you can cast or not your collapsing or if you need to move before pressing beam

But maybe I m delusional

Also defensive wise we re 100x more squishy but i guess feint is out of gcd

Idk i never went over 12 with my ddh alt cause I got giga bored

[wintry solar]

you press N and click Specialization, then click Activate

[surreal scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735