outlaw

[glass mortar]

im dumb and bad

i think it needs a target anyway.... you can try

[keen cedar]

Will do

[glass mortar]

#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [] Between the Eyes

[keen cedar]

😗

[glass mortar]

but idk tbh if it doesnt work just try the base spell ye

[ashen birch]

What benefit does that macro give vs just the spell from spell book?

[glass mortar]

bte is a ranged attack meaning it does not have the default behavior of aquiring a target if you have none

all melee attacks do this

[keen cedar]

sometimes your target dies and you want to BTE but you lose target

[glass mortar]

the /startattack gives it that behavior

[craggy barn]

theres no way to do like "switch poisons when u finished troll area in maisara" weak aura right

[glass mortar]

it basically makes the game attempt to tab target if you have no target when u hit the button

you can do it to PS as well but i only do it on BtE

[lean shadow]

should do that with pistol shot 2?

oh yea

[keen cedar]

I have it on both

[lean shadow]

you said that

[glass mortar]

just be aware if the last target in ur pull is dying and ur mashing PS/BtE with this macro

[lean shadow]

my brain doesnt absord more than 5 words at a time

[glass mortar]

its possible to target to a new pack and attack it as it dies

since it is effectively tab targeting if you have no target

and both those abilities have a 30 yard range

[keen cedar]

Ah true, just be carefull

[ashen birch]

Got it, yeah I’ve just switched targets preemptively when they are almost dead

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what im afraid of haha

so I only have it on bte

[gentle bobcat]

Hi guys, I need your help. Come back to raiding after long time, at first tried subtlety but I change spec to outlaw (is more fun to play for me), and sincerly I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I just do shit parses. Here log report of last kill of mythic imperator ir someone can help me improve: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tcg6rvVjxDZL1ABq?fight=20&type=summary&source=171

[bronze badge]

first dps is hunt 265 ilv?

[gentle bobcat]

no, is a bug with tabard

[bronze badge]

How much haste and crit do you have?

[gentle bobcat]

Just change from sub spec, but currently I'm at 32% crit 19% haste without oils or anything

btw, ty for your atention @bronze badge 🫶

[bronze badge]

check mp

[gray summit]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[tight cave]

.

[dusty mulch]

Why do we cast slice and dice in the opener instead of dispatch? Does it not consume the empowered combo point?

[frail veldt]

yeah it doesnt consume supercharger

[arctic merlin]

guys am i tweaking or am i squishy af

[ancient cobalt]

how do i sim 2 apls against each other in one report

[glass mortar]

vs sustain/rot/ST damage we arent that tanky

[pure folio]

yes rogue squishy

[buoyant cosmos]

We aren't stacking verse to the ceiling anymore

[glass mortar]

and u have basically zero innate tankiness

u need to press ur buttons before damage hits if u can DR it

or you will notice

even tho it costs u energy

[arctic merlin]

yeah might be that

[glass mortar]

they removed like 25% passive DR law had in the background from talents/not stacking vers

[arctic merlin]

i was just getting blown up by aoes

[glass mortar]

outlaw became much squishier

[arctic merlin]

i can feint

and i do but

[buoyant cosmos]

If your healer falls behind it's bad

[arctic merlin]

i give my healers heart attacks each dungeon

but no

def because of the versa i didn't think about it

why are we meant to suffer

[buoyant cosmos]

Because some rogues ganked the current devs while they were teenagers

[wooden escarp]

!prepull

what ocmmando for prepul

!pre

!Pull

!pull

[glass mortar]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[cinder relic]

Depends against what

[wooden escarp]

and on raid

we use something?

[exotic plover]

Anyone willing to share their profile from the UI section of the FAQ??

[slim hare]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-spyZPGZ4y5diilAnap5nEybU7fWY5nFUNala5rjQ7bPxLKQLWRCVLdmFImcX4_WvvTKE3sKz3Q2g/pub

[frail veldt]

Outlaw is very squishy outside of defensives

But we still have a very short CD feint

[vivid vessel]

feint against non aoe is basically what any spec in the game has as baseline dr+hp

[bold patio]

Feint needing energy is cringe

[frail veldt]

Big true

[lucid sparrow]

@vivid vessel u dont track coup?

[vivid vessel]

no

i would if base ui coup tracking wasnt complete dogshit

tho i could make a weak aura to fix it but i cba

[frail veldt]

Why would you

[vivid vessel]

i get surprised by coup cdr

all the time

[frail veldt]

Does it change your decisions

Like would you hold it?

[vivid vessel]

no but im already pre pressing a button

[frail veldt]

Or just helps to predict next gcd

[vivid vessel]

and i get more cdr than i expected

[frail veldt]

Ye makes sense

I gotchu

[lucid sparrow]

sometimes i want to use anotehr cd

before sending coup

for the extra cdr

[frail veldt]

I don't think you want to do that

[brave lagoon]

the 4% wipe pull vs the kill pull

kill me

[craggy barn]

zac first pull MC, are u attacking right away

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[frail veldt]

Is that pull with the rain of toads guys

[craggy barn]

ye

[dull ginkgo]

I feel this

[vivid vessel]

im trciskter

[frail veldt]

Why wouldn't you

[craggy barn]

so yes

[vivid vessel]

i always attack directly

[craggy barn]

ok how much dps do u normally do there

[frail veldt]

Seeing the rain of toads aoe on the hill is so toxic

[craggy barn]

the one i hate the most is on top of stairs

this one

[torpid fiber]

I'm starting to miss outlaw again, someone tell me not to resub pls

[craggy barn]

dont resub

[torpid fiber]

ty

[craggy barn]

hunter aoe tranq is so funny in mc

jackpot into 100-0

the one time i die to it in this key

[frail veldt]

MY TANK ALWAYS STANDS ON THAT LITTLE PIECE OF ELEVATION

Drives me nuts

Sprint makes me go flying

[craggy barn]

lol

i coulda done so much damage with that jackpot man

sadge

[frail veldt]

Def don't

Not worth

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

I looked at the midnight changes (class and addon) and how clearly rushed it was and decided to put my money where my mouth is and stop playing

I don't want to play "wow but it's just way less fun", they already made that it's called ff14

[craggy barn]

hmm

[slim hare]

respect dont resub

[cinder relic]

Guys

my account might be bugged

[vivid vessel]

Guy

[reef vine]

would you ever want a slow OH?

[cinder relic]

First raid on the law

I might be bugged

[vivid vessel]

Good gear luck is only awarded to gamblers

You need to gamble

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

[cinder relic]

Bro I just dont be pressing KiR

I'm also 283

Like

Help me

[vivid vessel]

I feel you

I'm not even 288

Only 287.7

Low

[slim hare]

imo not using kir on 2 and making dry roll sucks

i kyr now its feels way better to play than being on one for so long

less high but less low too

[cinder relic]

Dude its actually so insane how behind I am because sat on every 3+/6 boss

My vaults were 2/6 for like 2+ weeks

actually tier ending

No paladins, no aleria, no beloren

[vivid vessel]

once again guy

luck reward the gamblers

stay on the gamble train next time

maybe you get lucky

[cinder relic]

tf that even mean

[vivid vessel]

you need to roll the bones to get loot lil bro

[cinder relic]

bro I pressed RTB and I get 1 buff

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt work when you are speeced in the wrong spec

you need to keep rolling all tier

then you get rewarded with loot

look at me

im juiced up every tier

its all the rolls

[cinder relic]

Oh i see

[warped spruce]

Tier ending? are we approaching the end of the season? my semester is about to end i was about to start playing the game.. Am i that behind?

[cinder relic]

its like mid szn rn

[vivid vessel]

well

[cinder relic]

Ur behind but theres a lot of catchup

[bold sleet]

Yo, which fight styles are recommended for accurate sims?

[cinder relic]

st for raid dslice for dungeons

[wind pond]

do mobs with truesight have less pull range if you're in stealth

or is it same as normal

for example if you want to skip the big duders after 2nd boss seat

[long bramble]

Guys we might be cooked

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[cinder relic]

Distract also lowers vision range

[long bramble]

Yoda placed outlaw tier s in his tier list

[cinder relic]

and turns the targets LOS

[long bramble]

It s gg

We can go next

[summer nimbus]

for that seat skip can u just jump up or what

[wind pond]

before that

thank you guys

[summer nimbus]

why have i seen a video of someone just jumping up there without any abilities

[vivid vessel]

Ye you can

[summer nimbus]

do u ahve to distract them or smthing

[vivid vessel]

No

You just have to jump

It's not particularly hard

Also outlaw can grapple up there so

[summer nimbus]

ye but for rest of party

i feel like no one does this

[final pagoda]

@vivid vessel why u decided to go trickster?

[summer nimbus]

maybe everyone too reliant on lock gate

[vivid vessel]

Because it sims better and it has Perma triks

[slim hare]

with 4 less sec of fazed than on sim

isnt fb better ?

[final pagoda]

I am wondering if it sims better if you stay in cloud <60% of the time

given how close it is with fatebound

[vivid vessel]

Prolly not idk

But again like

Outlaw is unplayable without Perma tricks

If it sims the same

Imma play dogshit trickster

Just for Perma tricks

[final pagoda]

why unplayable?

just spam tricks every pull

[pure folio]

it has a cd..

[grim spear]

time too short

[vivid vessel]

Because tricks doesn't last long enough lol

[final pagoda]

u will have it on every pull

[pure folio]

no u dont

lol

[vivid vessel]

Ye and that doesn't matter

[final pagoda]

at the start

[vivid vessel]

You can't open on a pack insta

Like you do with trickster

You will take back agro legit immediately

[final pagoda]

does it matter so much?

[pure folio]

uh y ea

[vivid vessel]

I mean

[thin fiber]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2763933061?t=3h19m44s

[pure folio]

uptime = more dam

[final pagoda]

if u have tricks at the start of every pull

[vivid vessel]

You have to wait a bit every pack so idk

[pure folio]

no death to threat = more dam

[summer nimbus]

yea i saw that

but legit i think no one knows about it cuz every group i play with assume we cant skip without lock

[final pagoda]

I dont remember not having tricks at the start of each pull w/ fatebound, so if tricks is up why thats a threat to death?

probably I am misremembering I guess

[thin fiber]

show them that before key 😶‍🌫️

[vivid vessel]

Because once tricks fall off you start taking agro back again

And outlaw does infinite damage at start of pulls

And a lot of pulls are longer setups

Than what tricks allowa

[final pagoda]

okay I see for longer setups

makes sense

[grim spear]

When there are big pulls, the tank often just tags the mobs and moves on

[vivid vessel]

Normal tricks is legit useless on outlaw

[grim spear]

Without perma trick, you can't chase and attack them from the very start the whole way. That makes a big difference

[vivid vessel]

I wish trickster tricks was a rogue talent

[normal hawk]

Yea

[vivid vessel]

It feels like complete ass doing keys without it

[final pagoda]

but it's called TRICKster...

[brave lagoon]

time to make another thread on US forum zac

[normal hawk]

It’s so like minor idk why it’s not

[vivid vessel]

Ye hero talents ruining the game still

It's ok

[pure folio]

then itd just be another illusion of choice. should just be how baseline tricks works

[vivid vessel]

I mean that's what our talents are

Who cares

[normal hawk]

Just have it as a passive node

[vivid vessel]

Make it a rogue talent

[grim spear]

another sin of the hero talents
take one good thing that you deserve and split it into two pieces
then make you choose

so silly

[short briar]

21 keys

no pit

[grim spear]

daily quest: plz delete the hero talents 1/1

[normal hawk]

I like not having to play death stalker on sub though

[grim spear]

Is Deathstalker Subtlety literally the only one that has never been the chosen pick even once since its inception?

[cinder relic]

Its been picked a few times

[grim spear]

like what. I cant recall

[cinder relic]

Well. this tier

Also in Nerubar

[grim spear]

[warped spruce]

only 3 crafted items can be worn a single character right?

[grim spear]

no

[leaden sonnet]

You can wear however many your heart desires

But only 2 of them can have embellishments added onto them

[warped spruce]

omg thats huge, thanks

[wooden escarp]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim spear]

Better not to craft too many pieces
Each one you lose like 20 myth crest

[thorny zinc]

adr before boss is actually pulled is fine right for snd

I swear sometimes I just dont get adr effects and other times I do

[rough oriole]

can anyone tell me whats wrong with this image

overall

[vivid vessel]

I think ADR buff get removed when boss get pulled

You need to press after

[thorny zinc]

gg..

I hate snd

[thin fiber]

dh's sleeping

[gaunt phoenix]

no way !

first time zac is wrong..

[vivid vessel]

Really?

Idk was just guessing honestly

Im used to pressing ADR after boss is pulled now

To not lose cps

So

[grim spear]

[wind pond]

how different is fatebound m+ playstyle to trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

yea, idk why AR would seemingly get removed on pull

never seen it

[vivid vessel]

I mean it did at some point tho

Since then we haven't really pressed ADR pre pull

So how could I know

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[gaunt phoenix]

no !

[vivid vessel]

I mean

I know it did haha

I think it was S3 df

I just didn't know it got fixed

We haven't really pressed ADR pre pull in a while

I remember when this thing got "added"

It already didn't really matter

Cause we weren't pressing ADR prepull

So

look

[gaunt phoenix]

they did put it on ptr for like a day

[vivid vessel]

was then

idk when that was

i mean it was on live for sure lol

you are cooked solo !

[gaunt phoenix]

some pin that i edited

fuck you !

[vivid vessel]

a year ago

[gaunt phoenix]

im right

[vivid vessel]

you are wrong

as always

solo

[next wedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369006963876560896/1466184046219497574/RDT_20260128_1431427492692248691836840.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25833762

[vivid vessel]

last time i was wrong ?

[gaunt phoenix]

right now

[vivid vessel]

true ..

[gaunt phoenix]

that was really april 2025?

that feels like ages ago

[vivid vessel]

back when outlaw wasnt boring

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel 2 of our raiders lost their vantus runes to arena

apparently its a known bug

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

good thing outlaw got nerfed for pvp

so i cant queue up anymore

[thorny zinc]

thats for the best bro we gotta keep u outta that gamemode

[random stirrup]

all of eu is praying on you never queuing up again

[vivid vessel]

hey

thats a bit toxic

[random stirrup]

i am not eu!

i am just the messenger

[grim spear]

kinda sad tbh, i'm still playing at the same level but there's less and less people playing this spec

[lavish timber]

which is better for key, outlaw or sub?

[cinder relic]

probs outlaw

[turbid robin]

Why my dam in single ass

Aoe is good

[vivid vessel]

Your aoe is also ass probably

[cinder relic]

^

[turbid robin]

No is to good

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw has very good single target in keys

[turbid robin]

Just single

[vivid vessel]

It's hard for cd specs to do aoe

In low keys

That's why you are gapping them

But your AOE and st rotation is the same

[keen belfry]

why my dam in single ass

[turbid robin]

😂😂😂

[cinder relic]

The spec plays the same in ST and aoe

So any mistakes ur making in ST likely are also happening in aoe

[random stirrup]

roll better

[cinder relic]

its just this spec does a lot of aoe damage now so u probs dont notice how much you are missing as ur dealing a lot

[dense coral]

Does this mean outlaw rogue and devourer dh are equally hard to play (totally not a ragebait)

[warped spruce]

560 runs in general? or in a specific braket of keys?

bracket *

[worn temple]

Question, can I ADR Slice and Dice before pull on raid bosses or do I lose the buffs?

[dense coral]

This is 16-22 keys

[cinder relic]

No buyer = finally get the ring

3 bonus rolls later

[craggy barn]

nice

[cerulean portal]

wow gz

[buoyant stratus]

Our buyer last second cancelled on us

Rip money

[keen belfry]

..

[vague cape]

anyone who does damage doesn't have to say it

[keen belfry]

u jelly?

[vague cape]

its like that joffrey scene

[short briar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wL6vcWB3kRQAdM9Z?fight=1&type=casts&source=22&view=timeline
are there consistent outstanding mistakes?

[wintry solar]

im in that photo :)

[short briar]

nah ddh actually hard imo

playing both for awhile, i honestly find ddh harder simply because getting consistent 5th stars can be very hard and u have to minmax movement for souls

[wind pond]

surrender to madness but you're immortal and pressing 3 buttons

[short briar]

theres pretty big diff between dhs

[gaunt phoenix]

open with snd

[short briar]

o ye forgot about that

[gaunt phoenix]

seems fine

[fair charm]

I believe you are fine hitting AR and S&D right before the pull (at 2 seconds). Sometimes they pull before I hit S&D and my AR drops to 2 points, but even a 2 pt S&D is enough to get ya going. If I’m wrong though, I’d love someone to say so because this is what I’ve been doing.

[sturdy tartan]

Fellas how is outlaw on bosses now ?

I’ve played outlaw since legion and this is the first time I swapped to another spec. I’m wanting to swap back to outlaw

[crystal granite]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[fossil sable]

I bonus rolled pit for all the loot, but didn't get the dagger and realized it was cause of my loot spec being set to outlaw, so I got a duplicate ofthe pants

But then I changed to assass loot spec, and bonus rolled again, and instead it gave me a duplicate of the belt?

Is my loot table just fucked - does anyone know ?

The only thing I have not gotten yet is the dagger ....

[worldly zephyr]

its good, solid A tier

[sturdy tartan]

Nice ! I think I’ll switch this upcoming week for the weapon boost. Sub has been so easy but I just love outlaw

And if it’s similar in damage I’d rather swap

[olive bramble]

They are solid now honestly

[lone surge]

can you not loot dagger in skyreach as outlaw?

as outlaw loot spec

[vapid sundial]

no

need to go sub or sin loot spec

[fossil grove]

is outlaw hardest spec for rogue atm?

[olive bramble]

easiest to me idk

also the only spec I play

[lone surge]

can anyone give me macro for focus kick?

[frail veldt]

/cast @focus kick

[lone surge]

is the skyreach mainhand claw any good?

[unkempt iris]

Absolutely, it has been for awhile and with sub being neutered this expac outlaw sticks out as the hardest for sure

There used to be an argument for sub, but def not anymore and sin has been the same more or less since cata so it’s not too hard if you have dabbled a little bit

[fair iron]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-scroll-crying-depression-doomscrolling-gif-4138822033792608878

[short briar]

is my gear just bad, causing hunt embell to only sim 0.2% btr than lining?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nah that's normal enough

[fluid meadow]

bruh we got new talent tree, interesting bug

[wintry solar]

Seeing a new outlaw tree layout tickles my brain for some reason

[formal crane]

Hello,should we use coup at low cp now? like tww rotation

[radiant dock]

outlaw evoker

[keen belfry]

I think we need one

[unkempt dew]

Why?

[keen belfry]

Few cringe points

Capstones, 2 fth, heavy shifter 2 points

We just feel 2 points away from a really fun tree imo

[unkempt dew]

Aah i get it

[keen belfry]

Not having access to summarily dispatcher in aoe

[fair charm]

No, 6+ and just use it like another dispatch.

[keen belfry]

It’s just weird cuz like I want fast action to be reworked cuz it’s so bad, but then I think how would we even take it

And I want something cool to be in KS spot, but how would we even take it

[fair charm]

It would have to be better than other capstones like kir

[keen belfry]

Non KIR outlaw with this version of rtb

BUT

[fathom bramble]

could be sufficiently strong to drop prep or kir really

[keen belfry]

That’s a different topic

[fathom bramble]

like kir and prep aren't even that strong

[keen belfry]

Yeah maybe I’m blinded by current outlaws need for them, atleast I think you neeed those 2 talents to play current outlaw

[fair charm]

Prep feels like a must with cloud cover but yeah I play slight over kir, or I guess acrobatic strikes, but I also don’t mythic raid so shrug.

[keen belfry]

I just can’t fathom non KIR on this version of outlaw

This rtb

I used to like this new rtb

[fathom bramble]

we are so close to an all right outlaw build

[keen belfry]

Yeah which is racially my whole point

[sand berry]

does any other spec still have this many awkward 2 pointers

[fair charm]

They should balance it with an all left build and we can have gangs.

[keen belfry]

We are perpetually so close to banger build

Fast action will get a rework

[sand berry]

I guess it's just 4 but still

[mighty pivot]

that's not alright at all

[fair charm]

The whole hidden ambush whatever it was called needs a rework so who knows, perhaps next year.

[fathom bramble]

+1 charge, -10 second cooldown, consuming opportunity reduces the cooldown of between the eyes by 3

[keen belfry]

I see the vision

I think we should lean into more guaranteed BTE resets

[fathom bramble]

Fast action, dispatch has a chance equal to your chance to trigger opportunity to refresh the cooldown of Between the Eyes.

[keen belfry]

I think just make BTE store palmed bullets would be SWEET

[mighty pivot]

I see it as more likely that GSW returns in place of FA

[fluid meadow]

prep affected by restless blades cdr?

[fathom bramble]

I think the overall power of BTE needs to go down not up

[keen belfry]

I also think dispatch refunding combo
Points would be very very fun

[fathom bramble]

with how rng our access to it is

adding effects for dispatch is a reasonable avenue to that

or just axe the bte damage amp entirely

it has no real gameplay reason to exist

[keen belfry]

Idk if I agree, I just want more resets

[fathom bramble]

it's just rng damage for the sake of it

[short briar]

bte sound when reset is satisfying

[keen belfry]

Enhance has a talent that is 20% of the time you finisher it has a chance to reset, I would love that on outlaw

[short briar]

but when it doesnt, its so limp LOL

[fathom bramble]

that's just my favorite tierset

miss BRF tierset

[quaint wharf]

i think id happy if

[keen belfry]

What is it

Brf?

[quaint wharf]

rolling a 2 didnt make me want to jump off a bridge

[craggy barn]

what if

they make GSW a tier set LOL

pepw

imagine

[keen belfry]

Ye new rtb is so bad, I used to defend it

[fathom bramble]

blackrock foundry tier

[keen belfry]

Yeah see that’s banger

[sand berry]

rolling back to back 2's and using all thistle tea charges first pull

[mighty pivot]

imagine if UHUH becomes a tier set bonus @wintry solar's 9/11

[keen belfry]

Imagine dispatch reset into BTE spam

[fathom bramble]

I think ace should be able to trigger off of dispatch

[sand berry]

[quaint wharf]

that would be crazy lol

[keen belfry]

What if pressing BTE during AR increases ar duration by 1 second

[fluid meadow]

tierset will be something with rolls, and with some change they will force us to play stage 1 with some uptime (maybe we drop rng roll and going up stage by stage, would be so bad)

[keen belfry]

Fun!!

[mighty pivot]

rng to 80% uptime

[fathom bramble]

ace can now trigger off of dispatch at x% of its normal chance could actually be a tierset 🤔

[keen belfry]

I think a health AR Uptime for me would be around 60

Tbh I jsut hope next tierset is +1 to expected rolls

Then you can drop kir

[fluid meadow]

bte gives +3 sec ar

[quaint wharf]

i think this tier set has grown on me

i didnt like it at first tbh

[keen belfry]

I like blade rush

[mighty pivot]

wouldn't that make kir even stronger?

[quaint wharf]

yeah br fun ability

[keen belfry]

I’m not sure tbh I could see yes and no lmao

[fathom bramble]

2 set, Keep it rolling now also grants 15 seconds of adrenaline rush
4 set, Keep it rolling now has 2 charges and a 25% reduced cooldown

[wintry solar]

I'd cry physical tears

[mighty pivot]

I think the huge jackpot chance would make kir stronger because you'd still play around LD

[quaint wharf]

100% KiR uptime

[keen belfry]

Yes but you’d have such high 3+ buff uptime I wonder if kir would even increase it that much

Ya know?

[craggy barn]

nah its gonna be like this

2p: when u roll the bones, gain 25 energy over 5 seconds
4p: when ur KIR, the effects of your current roll increase

something stupid

lol

[keen belfry]

Could see energy bandaid

As tier

[craggy barn]

probalby liek energy over time and slight damage buff on rtb

and somthing with kir

[mighty pivot]

flourish back to 50% for 10 as 4p

[fluid meadow]

2p: pc back
4p: +5 target cleave

[craggy barn]

or hear me out

[fathom bramble]

2pc, roll the bones can no longer grant one of a kind or Jackpot!
4pc, roll the bones duration and buff effects increased by 50%

[craggy barn]

2p: sinister strike proc chance increase 5 %

[keen belfry]

Flourish will be buffed in s2

[craggy barn]

pepw

[mighty pivot]

2p Precise Cuts

what if they troll again and s2 is hero talent based

[radiant dock]

you guys are coping

its gonna be
2-set: Sinister Strike damage increased by 5%.
4-set: Sinister Strike has a 5% increased chance to strike again and grant Opportunity.

[mighty pivot]

2p: 3% auto attack damage 4p: 5% ability damage -2% BF

[craggy barn]

2p: sinister strike and dispatch are disabled. increase pistol shot damage by 25%, pistol shot now has a chance to grant opportunity
4p: every 12th pistol shot sends out a between the eyes at 6cp, increase pistol shot damage by 25%, pistol shot reduces the cd of BTE by 1 second

[wintry solar]

Huge for fb

I'll take it

[radiant dock]

also looks like people are still playing trickster

its over

[fathom bramble]

2pc, Blade flurry now deals y% increased damage for each target below 7, if there are no available targets for BF it instead hits your primary target for x% of its normal damage.
4pc, Between the eyes, Adrenaline rush, kir, killing spree, and blade rush all grant 10% increased damage and BF for 10 seconds.(duration stacks infinitely)

[mighty pivot]

well trickster has permatricks and coup has a cool sound win-win. who needs energy anyway?

[fluid meadow]

yeah so tierset is something with vanish to put talents there instead of tea, so we can blast but no energy or no blast but have energy

[craggy barn]

2p: blade flurry is now a toggleable ability. while active, energy regeneration is reduced by 30%, increase blade flurry damage by 30%
4p: when you blade rush, you also throw a fan of blades dealing x damage to up to 8 nearby enemies

[fathom bramble]

Just need like 55% haste for that

[craggy barn]

ye

[mighty pivot]

s2 will have 5 new items with only haste as stats

[sand berry]

all engi items gaming

[craggy barn]

2p: sinister strike becomes Saber Slash! saber slash deals 40% damage to a secondary target
4p: dispatch becomes Run Through! you now dash through your target and deal 50% of the damage to all enemies you go through

[wintry solar]

Only losers run dry anyway

Smh

[fathom bramble]

Lethal potency: Sources of energy generation(including regeneration) can now critically strike restoring twice as much energy

[fluid meadow]

ok, we got new ability 3 stack exploding barrels, and pushing haste for faster reset

[mighty pivot]

true you don't run out of energy if you only press abilities every 2s

4p: aim your bte by empowering its cast for up to 2s increasing its damage by up to 200%. can be cast while moving

[craggy barn]

4p: whenever you between the eyes, a game of counter strike is automaticaly started between you and your target

[radiant dock]

how about
2-set: Between the Eyes has no cooldown when used from stealth.
4-set: You diversify your gambling exploits, allowing Roll the Bones to grant you a random amount of buffs from a set of 6 unique bonuses instead of a tiered single-buff system.

[fathom bramble]

Flow, Energy is removed, all abilities that generate or spend combo points are now on a shared charge system separate from their cooldowns. 1 charge is recovered every 1 second up to 3, and adrenaline rush now causes you to recover flow charges 25% faster. GCD is now always 750 ms

[mighty pivot]

you only roll 1 79% of the time and it's grand melee or buried treasure

[radiant dock]

[wintry solar]

2p: Sinister Strike has a 20% chance to apply Dread Strike that increases damage done by 5% up to a maximum of 5 stacks.

4p: After 5 Dread Strikes, you gain the Dreadblades ability, causing Sinister and Pistol Shot to grant max combo points for 10 seconds.

[mighty pivot]

dreadblades mentioned!

[wintry solar]

RAHHHHH

[craggy barn]

2p: whenever you roll the bones, increase energy regeneration by 20%, and gain 8% increased damage for 10seconds
4p: whenever you roll the bones, store an amount of dice based on the stage rolled. when you roll the bones with 6 stored dice, you gain Jackpot! with 25% increased effectiveness

[mighty pivot]

not rng enough

they would make it 60% on rtb to store a die

[fluid meadow]

stage1: u kill somebody in your party stage4: u onehit 1 enemy target

[wintry solar]

It should apply to Triple Threat and only Triple threat

2p: you pee

4p: you poo

[mighty pivot]

so stage 1 is just "everybody sees cloud cover"

[craggy barn]

2p: off hand attacks have a chance to trigger an attack with your main hand that deals x physical damage
4p: off hand attacks generate 1 energy and has a 20% chance to trigger a strike with both weapons dealing y physical damage

auto atack build

[fathom bramble]

Recursion 🤔

[craggy barn]

mastery season

[fluid meadow]

or russian roulette, 6 sec free bte spam after vanish, but can hit friendly or enemy target

[wintry solar]

Season so bad it got me anxiously waiting for .1 patch notes

[craggy barn]

loktark, potential infinite chain would go hard

just randomly proc 12031023210 times and crash teh game

[mighty pivot]

do you actually expect rogue changes

[wintry solar]

Specifically the tier bonus

[sand berry]

I kind of expect them to move killing spree to trickster tree at this point

[craggy barn]

they wont

[mighty pivot]

and what will sub get in trickster then

[craggy barn]

its like that because sub has sec tech

[radiant dock]

i would prefer if they just move the trickster tree to the garbage can

[sand berry]

oh fair

[craggy barn]

and ks is our only cd equivalent

[sand berry]

idk hero talents are wack

[fluid meadow]

sadly the thing is something really with rolls after avg players comments, like they are asking to go stage by stage like "why i don't get stage3 when i roll with ld stage2" so that thing would force the gameplay to play stage1 too

[craggy barn]

what if they did a tier set season where it just grants effects from the opposite hero talent LOL

like unseen blades giving coins
and vice versa

woulda be kinda funny

[mighty pivot]

trickster getting Rush to the Inevitable on each 5+ finisher

FB gets requiring KS instead

get owned failbound enjoyers

[sand berry]

fatebound gets perma tricks tho

[mighty pivot]

more likely for them to troll and give the other choice node

[sand berry]

holy 10 yd pickpocket

[river wing]

yeah I can't imagine it working without KiR
if AR was still 2 mins then yeah okay

[river wing]

ngl I wouldn't even mind that, with +50% effects and a good encounter profile you could keep a triple rolling indefinitely, like it'd be 1.6s per CP restless with triple

[fathom bramble]

ace up your sleeve, the icon has been correctly restored to a gun. what kind of respectable outlaw doesn't have their final ace simply be a handgun?

[fathom bramble]

yeah I was also thinking about it as a choice node somewhere

super low rng roll the bones

[river wing]

p sure that'd be a winning pick unless the percentages were tuned super low

[fathom bramble]

50% effect is just slapped on because tiersets need to not suck to be honest

[river wing]

because just being able to perpetually keep a 3 up is baller

[fathom bramble]

I think as an actual talent with no % effect it could be good

[river wing]

like when I have a 3, the spec actually feels like it's working properly

becomes smooth as butter

[fathom bramble]

for sure

[buoyant stratus]

Should just make blade rush apply fazed and grant 1 reset of Unseen blade instead of 2

[fathom bramble]

Trickster
2pc, Unseen blade now flips a fatebound coin
4pc, Coup de grace flips 5 matching fatebound coins
Fatebound
2pc, Flipping a fatebound coin applies fazed to nearby enemies
4pc, Lucky coin causes your next x dispatch casts to be replaced with coup de grace

[river wing]

no

[mighty pivot]

wouldn't fb 4p be dogshit without flawless form

[river wing]

imagine how much Sub/Assa would howl being forced into DS again

[craggy barn]

nah
2p: flipping heads grants flawless form, flipping tails applies fazed to targets hit

[fathom bramble]

4pc is giga if it's a few dispatches replaced

idk I was thinking either a few dispatches and no flawless form

[river wing]

yeah coup on FB would be insane

[fathom bramble]

or 1/2 and flawless

[mighty pivot]

oh it's several dispatches I see

[craggy barn]

honestly a season of cross over hero tier sets would be interesting

[fathom bramble]

I think we definitely see an apex talent season though

has to be this one or next

[craggy barn]

ye

[mighty pivot]

apex 1 has 60% chance to make your bte actually benefit from sc

[frail veldt]

they have a lot of work to do for that

bear isnt even taking theirs righ tnow

[fathom bramble]

well if it's a tierset I imagine you become forced to take it

but either way they should fix some of the shit apex talents for sure

[frail veldt]

I mean bears is just built around their 3 min cd

which is giga dumb

[river wing]

p sure our will just be
p2: double bullet stack rate, you can get two bullets per finisher!!!
p4: two resets per 6 bullets rather than one

[fathom bramble]

2pc: Scoundrel strike now has a x% chance to grant a stack of between the eyes as though y combo points were spent.
4pc: Consuming opportunity has a 33% chance to hide a bullet up your sleeve.

[frail veldt]

that 2 piece would be nutty

[radiant dock]

accounting for cdr its more like a ~2min cd

which isnt uncommon for apex to be build around

[craggy barn]

2p: increase the damage of scoundrel strike by 10%. using hidden bullets grants 5 energy over 10 seconds for each bullet consumed
4p: chance to hide bullets increased by 6% per combo point spent when using dispatch. consuming bullets increases the damage of your next dispatch by 5% per bullet consumed

[jolly geyser]

2p:you get precise cuts

[river wing]

tbh that's overly convoluted to say "30% boost to your next dispatch whenever Gravedigger procs"

[craggy barn]

i honestly forgot what the thing was called

lol

its stacking tho

[river wing]

how do you stack it

[fathom bramble]

Whenever gravedigger resets the cooldown of BTE you also gain 30% increased damage on your next dispatch

[craggy barn]

if u can stack more gravediggers

[river wing]

you can't

10 bullets max

[craggy barn]

add that in

max bullets hidden up to 12

be able to double proc

[jolly geyser]

Infinite hidden bullets

[river wing]

tbh at +50% stack rate you would likely never get that

because like
atm you stack 5-6 bullets between I wanna say 2 bte resets?

that'd make it 7-10 bullets, which means you'd just proc it once

and holding bte for another +30% on your next dispatch is likely a no-go

[craggy barn]

its all numbers shit im not digging or thinking too much about

[jolly geyser]

Maybe bte gets opp stacks,would be funny. 6 btes in a row

[fathom bramble]

2pc: scoundrel strike has a 20% chance to trigger for each combo point you generate.
4pc: scoundrel strike has a 50% chance to grant a Bullet up your sleeve and restore 5 energy

[craggy barn]

or maybe
consume all bullets stored and increase damage by 5% each bullet
so like u gain more if u end up hitting at 7+

whenever grave digger resets between the eyes, you gain adrenaline rush for 5 seconds

[river wing]

2p: Between the Eyes now has a 100% chance to apply 2 stacks of its bonus to your damage dealt
4p: Whenever Gravedigger resets your BtE cooldown, extend your current Roll the Bones buff duration by 10s

[fathom bramble]

2pc: Hide 1 bullet up your sleeve every second while adrenaline rush is active
4pc: When gravedigger resets the cooldown of between the eyes it now also causes the next cast to not consume the cooldown and deal x% increased damage

[river wing]

ooh that's nasty, I like that, it's not exactly crackshot but has similar vibes

[craggy barn]

2p: soundrel strike has a 20% chance to grant a stack of opportunity
4p: when gravedigger resets the cooldown of between the eyes, u gain 6 seconds of adrenaline rush

i dont remember the base opporutnity chance

but whatever

[fathom bramble]

I actually had this 2pc thought, but the fact that scoundrel strike is delayed made me discard it

[warped spruce]

Hello, am i losing a lot of DPS if i dont follow the "hold BTE if ADR is 30sec or under in cd"

[river wing]

tbh getting one opp stack is...iffy

[craggy barn]

could probazbly just tie it into the 5+ cp dispatch spending

[river wing]

it helps only if you're at 3

[craggy barn]

the talent forces it to grant 3

[fathom bramble]

I mean while talented into fan it would just give 3 instead

[frail veldt]

That rule isn't worth that much dps

[fathom bramble]

if you follow the wording to the letter at least

[frail veldt]

Like 1-2%

[river wing]

oh you mean it would interact with fan?

[craggy barn]

yes

why woudlnt it

[river wing]

then it's ok yeah

[frail veldt]

So you shouldn't be losing that much dps

[craggy barn]

the talent just says when u would gain opportunity u gain 2 more

[river wing]

idk, can't be sure of anything with Blizz

[river wing]

if we were on tabletop game rules I'd believe it to work that way
but I'm like 95% certain Blizz could fuck it up and make it not apply to that opp stack

[frail veldt]

Just to clarify, it is worth ~2% DPS according to the faq

Whether you consider that a lot or a little is up to you

Are you having issues following it?

[craggy barn]

wait what if

2p: increase ambush damage by 30%, ambush has a 8% chance to hide a bullet
4p: when gravedigger resets between the eyes, your next ambush deals 100% increased damage and hides 2 bullets

[fathom bramble]

well with the current supercharger bugs it is apparently closer to 0.5%

[craggy barn]

HO AND apex

[frail veldt]

Actually double correction

I forgot there's a bug rn

Making bte consume sc twice if it procs grave digger

Which makes the rule only 0.5%

[river wing]

this is a winner/loser
winner because I now believe that's what happens next season to force us to play HO and not have to rework it
loser because we will all suffer for it

[frail veldt]

Thinking about that, should we change the rule to be "use bte if adr is under 30s specifically if you have gravedigger"

Lowkey might be a gain?

[fathom bramble]

could be

maybe we just hope the bug is fixed in a timely manner

[craggy barn]

does the bug exist in sims?

[frail veldt]

Oh I'm dumb

It's not ont he reset

It's on the double proc

The 45% chance

To grant double bte buff

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[frail veldt]

So you can't control it at all

Rip

[craggy barn]

was that bug happening before the reset

i guess hard to tell?

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[fathom bramble]

yes

[craggy barn]

ah

[frail veldt]

It's been there from the start

[craggy barn]

bet

[fathom bramble]

there was some weirdness with BTE damage that no one got to the bottom of until now

[craggy barn]

probably explains that one time awang did 0 damage on first pull WS

also is pvp cooked, why am i seeing pvpers doing mplus now

[formal knot]

m+ is pvp disguised as pve

the goal is to kill your tank without being caught

[jolly geyser]

use arcane torrent in caverns on those adds

[river wing]

m-m-m-multikill!
(X's dumb ass fragged themselves with Arcane Torrent.)

[wintry solar]

wdym now

yeah its cooked though

the DR change made the game almost literally unplayable now that youre sitting in infinite CCs

[river wing]

lmao did they apply the DR change to pvp too?

like it's good for pve

but idk about pvp lol

[hardy wigeon]

Is there any gain on holding prep if AR is coming off cd in less than 30-40 secs for example?

[inland acorn]

yes, if it will be back shortly its better to hold prep

And use it similiar to opener, i.e. reset BtE during AR

[hardy wigeon]

Yeah that’s what I’ve done but wasn’t sure if it’s optimal sine the cd on it is so long and you want to maximise use in keys

[inland acorn]

I mean at most you might lose 1 prep, but its better value overall if you dont waste it on AR with like 30-40s left

[shell fossil]

outlaw

[river wing]

tbh I gotta confess
I hold Prep as a safety measure on prog
if I die and get rezzed and there's 2 mins on my AR yet, having Prep is better than just busting it in the opener

[mighty pivot]

have you considered not dying

it's a good thing outlaw is so tanky because ~~ it naturally stacks vers~~ and float is giving great feint uptime

[river wing]

1. yes
2. I usually don't, the rest of the raid is more prone to just eating an aoe or smth
3. it is however something of a running gag that I really only die during a winning pull

[viscid shuttle]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thin osprey]

With the amount of sparks we have now, is there a particular reason most of the top outlaw players havent crafted the emb ring? It seems to sim quite a bit higher than hunt emb, but i could be wrong

[shell fossil]

you can get good boots from first boss in voidspire that include vers the not die stat?

did some 14s with no haste flask and you wanna hit 23-24% and crit/haste is value

the general idea is that you replace crafted mh quickly i think and have crafted shoes/ring later in the season

[vivid vessel]

Really?

[hollow temple]

they made the DR reset 16s, but only 2 DRs now instead of 3

[vivid vessel]

Imma be honest I havent simmed embels much

Also crafting is a waste of crest

[hollow temple]

don't you guys get like 5 DRs now in pve

or some shit

[river wing]

p sure it's the same but it's never 0 now

so any hardstop is still 0.1s of CC

regardless of how much you toss

[hollow temple]

i believe they added a 4th and 5th DR set to pve

being 1/8th and 1/16th duration specifically

[river wing]

might be
but that's honestly irrelevant now due to the other change

[hollow temple]

this shit

[thin osprey]

I gained about 1,3% compared to hunt, but then again i didnt have BiS rings so the shift from haste/mastery to haste/crit might just be the main diff

[tender wedge]

Sounds like something else is going on there

[gaunt palm]

@vivid vessel I played with ur crew yesterday and they asked me to numbing in MS. Have you guys done math or how are u deciding between athropic and numbing? Or is it to reduce the bloodthirsters AS or smth?

[arctic hollow]

Replacing my hunt with ring is negative in my sims, with occlusion of voif being replaced

[shell fossil]

honestly with the voidcores you can just mill a mainhand out of nxp pretty quick true

[vivid vessel]

It caps at 1 s

[thin osprey]

Ill try to find the sim when i get home!

[vivid vessel]

And it's infinite

[vivid vessel]

My tank dies

[shell fossil]

all my tier set is hero track except chest though cause our other raiders aren't capping vault every week and are grabbing neck/rings/etc from vault
like my trinks/rings are myth and i got nothing to spend on except a crafted mh cause 3rd spec

[vivid vessel]

So

Numbing

[shell fossil]

but also wouldn't be playing outlaw this week if i didn't craft and i can just upgrade the hungering victory i got off vorsarius for sin/sub etc
ymmv etc

[vivid vessel]

Have you seen how we pull in cavern?

It's hard on tank

[gaunt palm]

Well yea idk if the route he did was what u do normally, but it was not rlly outlaw friendly

is it just MS you run numbing then or

[vivid vessel]

And pit

[mighty pivot]

you only waste like 20 so if it's a big upgrade it can be worth

[gaunt palm]

I guess I will tell my tank now after nerfs to make sure im irreplacable kekw

didnt know it would do that much diffrence

[vivid vessel]

And then you are less close to 285 achiev

And then you can't boost your main with alt

[shell fossil]

283 on sin

[mighty pivot]

alts like mages aren't people

[vivid vessel]

Ninja

I'm 289 on every slot but one this week

Cause of no crafting stupid shit

And using alt to boost main

I could be 289 on every slot this week but I do not have a wrist

Had enough crests tho

Crafting is for noobs

[mighty pivot]

go kill vorasius then

[shell fossil]

yeah cook his hp to 0

i made tom kha gai today

thai chicken soup

[formal knot]

why are most raid logs picking the right one, is it just a feel thing, it never sims higher for me

[mighty pivot]

if you can get a 1% boost by crafting but you delay getting full 289 by 1 week it can be worth it imo

[misty socket]

This is my current setup
Do you guys think it would be best to use bonus rolls to replace Hero track tier Shoulder/chest/hands/legs with myth track?
Or roll Skyreach for Main Hand + Myth Solar flare?
Or go for Gaze on Heroic? I don't think I can get into a Myth pug 😭

[river wing]

wait
crafted 285 doesn't count for 285 achi?

[river wing]

energy efficiency, real-world conditions usually end up running outta energy at some point in the fight/run, flickering reduces that

[shell fossil]

math is if there's a better than 50% chance of getting not a lemon send it imo

you can get belt/gaze/not gaze of chim or tier gear and some actual lemons from skyreach last i checked for outlaw

[sly hearth]

Isn't arcanweave sims better than usual 289 wrists?

Oh achievement

[hollow lava]

Hello. Is there an addon that helps remind me to RtB when it runs out? New to Outlaw and this appears to be my main issue - forgetting to buff myself basically

I will not mention how many times I did not have BF on in AoE either.

[crimson niche]

You can put soundeffects on blizz cdm on expiration. Results may vary

[obsidian light]

guys is it safe to roll an a 10 then 16 of the same dungeon or is it still bugged?

[hollow lava]

Was looking for something more visual 😄

[shell fossil]

track it on a bar with blade flurry

or get better cdm and config it there

[hollow lava]

Will play around CDM

[elfin obsidian]

guys, do we always wait for ar until we have bte back up to send bte + supercharger?

[brittle lake]

!zac

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vivid vessel]

It does but it's less efficient

You spend less crest upping items

Especially if the items spawns at 282 or whatever

[jolly geyser]

Lura the wind chime dead zac?

[river wing]

well yeah, if you're going from 6/6 hero (276) to myth 5/6 (285) you spend only 60, and if you have drops that aren't myth 1/6 that also

[brittle lake]

how do i make you old ui work man

im very upset

[inland acorn]

No, you usually dont want to hold AR. You should try to make sure bte is not on cd when AR is back

[inland acorn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-spyZPGZ4y5diilAnap5nEybU7fWY5nFUNala5rjQ7bPxLKQLWRCVLdmFImcX4_WvvTKE3sKz3Q2g/pub

This is Zacs current UI

[vivid vessel]

Could have killed but we didn't

So it will be next raid Sunday

[vivid vessel]

Yes and crafts are 80 no?

And like half the items I got where 279 to 282

So like

Crafting is just not that efficient

[river wing]

well yes

[vivid vessel]

Doubt you will find anyone that has the 285 achiev this reset

While having crafting on cd

I didn't reclear for legit 4 weeks and I am 288 ilvl

Mainly because I only did 2 crafts

[river wing]

you'd have to get raid myth items to have it, yeah...or maybe people running myth 5/6 specifically for that

[vivid vessel]

My crest spendage was efficient

[unkempt dew]

mine was not

hehehehe

[opal raven]

hey i dont get how your alt helped you there, mind explaining please

[unkempt dew]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-aww-cute-love-so-cute-cat-gif-9924054809890007007

[vivid vessel]

Once you have 285 achiev

It's war bound

[opal badger]

Crafted counts?

[inland acorn]

Yes

[opal raven]

oh yeah so if u have 50% of ur alt stuff to 285 and the other half on your main 285 you still get the achiev got it

[vivid vessel]

If you upgrade a slot on any char, any other slot on another char would only cost 10 per level

Up to that ilvl

[inland acorn]

No, that's not how it works 🙂

[opal badger]

You need 285 on main

All slots

[inland acorn]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

Not all slots

Just 285 avg ilvl

[inland acorn]

Avg 285

[opal badger]

I 282 so still gonna take time

[opal raven]

yeah got it, then on your alt if you have higher somewhere, on your main it will be discounted *when 285 on main

[inland acorn]

Yes

[quaint mauve]

@vapid sundial

[wintry solar]

Eeewwwww

[vapid sundial]

sounds like me

[quaint mauve]

your champ

is stupid

and broken

[radiant dock]

any ranged top enjoyers in the chat

[vapid sundial]

I mean

the build he is able to do now

is stupid

its not him

its the build enabling bruiser lol

[quaint mauve]

the issue is

i don’t feel weak early

like i should

[vapid sundial]

DFT

is the problem

not smolder

that rune is stupid

[opal badger]

So if i upgrade 2 rings to 289pn alt, then i have 10 myth crest upgrade on main? (I'm still 276 289)

[gaunt phoenix]

l*ague in current year

[inland acorn]

yes

[opal badger]

Alright then I know what i will spend crest now

On my outlaw

[inland acorn]

[wintry solar]

In any year tbh

[uncut karma]

what enchantment faction should i pick if i wanna do most of my own. do they all make roughly the same thing

[vivid vessel]

Yes

Once you have the achiev on a char

So once I got 285 on main

I did rings on alt

And trinket

And boost

Boots

And wrists

So I finished my main with my alt

[unkempt dew]

What is your alt Zig Zac?

[vivid vessel]

And legit did 4 slots to max for half the price

Zacrebleu

I had to roll nexus to get rings

I kinda inted that guy gear in theory but idc about it

It's his purpose

[opal badger]

Make zacrebleutwo

[vivid vessel]

It's zacques

[unkempt dew]

I make one and name it NOTZac or something like that

[jolly geyser]

Zacsuccies

[fervent garden]

btw Zac, i checked the bigboard this morning. Tomelvis was listed number 5 in Ilv

ilev

[unkempt dew]

Naah btwZac is not that lit imo

Zacrilegious < This goes hard

[vivid vessel]

I'm number 3 I think

It's not updated or

I'm 287.7 I think

Smth like that

[unkempt dew]

And that while being French

First French person i know that speaks english tho

[fervent garden]

i was number 3207

killing it

[jolly geyser]

where can you see?

[vivid vessel]

Wowprogress

Has a ilvl ranking thing

Quite fun!

[jolly geyser]

oh ye forgot wowprog

136 rogue eu

[quaint mauve]

yo

[vivid vessel]

Nice !

Yo

[quaint mauve]

zac

what’s ur ilvl

oh

287

bro

[vivid vessel]

Almost 288

[quaint mauve]

this is

unfair

[vivid vessel]

I'm 287.7 smth

[quaint mauve]

id be 289 with uncapped crests

[vivid vessel]

I could be 288 tbf

But I never dropped a wrist

I would have enough crests to upgrade this week tho

[quaint mauve]

im waiting to upgrade pieces from 2 weeks ago

xd

[vivid vessel]

Noob

[quaint mauve]

genuinely how tho

[vivid vessel]

I gained 3 ilvl this week

:D

[quaint mauve]

i gained

[vivid vessel]

The achiev is a bit op

[quaint mauve]

.3

:)

[vivid vessel]

• I gained 289 neck in vault

[elfin obsidian]

kay fair

[quaint mauve]

r crests uncapped next week

or week after

or never

[vivid vessel]

Hopefully never

So I gap you

[inland acorn]

I don't think they said anything about uncapping yet

[jolly geyser]

forgot you are on draenor also zac

[inner meadow]

getting rank 1 draenor is impossible bro

both zac and muma are on draenor

:D

[jolly geyser]

• im bad

[quaint mauve]

i get to compete with wox

and that irrelevant awang guy

warrior player or whatever

[inner meadow]

ive been rank 2 on draenor before

but zac is the gatekeeper

[vivid vessel]

Sorry guys

[inner meadow]

can u move kazzak

please

[jolly geyser]

im competing with myself,havent looked at others

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[jolly geyser]

ello pilates guy

[hasty warren]

yo ramluwu

[vivid vessel]

No

Draenor banger realm

All the crafters on it

So prices are low

[jolly geyser]

Decently low

[vivid vessel]

I love capitalism!

[jolly geyser]

Wish I did majestic hides earlier thou

me dumb

well,if they dropped

but yesterday I got like 12 in one day,nice profit

[brittle lake]

zac ur ui is gonna give me an aneurysm

[vivid vessel]

Thanks

[blissful idol]

I won’t be that even next patch 🤣

[vivid vessel]

Noob!

[blissful idol]

[mighty pivot]

have you seen guy's?

[brittle lake]

i love your ui i just

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont

fuck you !

[brittle lake]

i need a youtube video or something

FUCK YOU SOLO

[gaunt phoenix]