so does subs 2.5% put it above outlaw now?
#outlaw
topaz stream
frail veldt
yeah blitz is literally 900 rating more inflated than solo shuffle
wind pond
so does subs 2.5% put it above outlaw now?
aren't outlaw getting like 10% buff
how does that math work out
topaz stream
it doesnt
glass mortar
frail veldt
aren't outlaw getting like 10% buff
2% nerf
topaz stream
but it does
twilit axle
yeah blitz is literally 900 rating more inflated than solo shuffle
Blitz to get the weapon enchant illusion? 👀
I have been hard thinking about hating myself for a few weeks to get it done.
frail veldt
Blitz to get the weapon enchant illusion? 👀
yeah its essentially free
lavish lark
am I misreading the patchnotes or what
Read the previous ones
livid trench
Did yall grind out a pvp set or just do it in your pve gear?
twilit axle
yeah its essentially free
I dont pvp. I might have to fuck around in Blitz to try. What rating do you need?
timid idol
no lol
wind pond
for previous ones I mean
lavish lark
Tbh just check the pins
timid idol
u think blizzard cares?
glass mortar
well if u want to see what the tuning is for us u can just look at pins
it has all the math already done
wind pond
thankyou
frail veldt
I dont pvp. I might have to fuck around in Blitz to try. What rating do you need...
1950
glass mortar
is it really only 1950 for the enchant now a day?
hello kitty island advanture ass game mode
smh
frail veldt
is it really only 1950 for the enchant now a day?
well 1950 in solo shuffle is moderately high rn
top of the ladder is like 2300-2400
obv not hard if you have pvped before but if youre a noob like zac its not free
blitz is very free though
afk game mode
glass mortar
fyi allegedly bonus rolls are bugged again
glass mortar
one of my discord friends just bonus rolled the same ring he bonus rolled last week
slender wadi
is chimaerus hard to pug in myth?
glass mortar
so i wouldnt send any right away if u were planning on it
storm cave
no send them
jagged plover
fyi allegedly bonus rolls are bugged again
version control got them again
storm cave
so u get extra on hotfix
gaunt phoenix
one of my discord friends just bonus rolled the same ring he bonus rolled last w...
he lie
jagged plover
are we surprised
gaunt phoenix
fake !
vivid vessel
ok but
vivid vessel
did he use a bonus roll befroe the hotfix lol
torn lichen
He bonus rolled before fix
glass mortar
true i should ask him if he got a refund
ionic citrus
yeap
torn lichen
Got it again
glass mortar
for the first itme
ionic citrus
fix reseted it
torn lichen
the fix made it actually track. There was zero history of his first ring.
vagrant kettle
arctic hollow
neat
errant terrace
quick question, when we get buffs like a 4% aura buff, do ST and AoE equally gain 4% buff? or does one get buffed more than the other? I'm thinking of this because of blade rush being soft capped, vs blade flurry
glass mortar
the fix made it actually track. There was zero history of his first ring.
nope they did the roll for the first ring late last week
way after the loot bug hotfix
if its actually back
blissful idol
jolly geyser
3
gaunt phoenix
quick question, when we get buffs like a 4% aura buff, do ST and AoE equally gai...
i dont think so, in both cases your damage is still * 1.04
1 target
20 target
errant terrace
i dont think so, in both cases your damage is still * 1.04
TY! I didn't expect you to pull out sims for that but tysm 
glass quartz
my sim gained st dps am i trippin?
brisk crypt
So the overall got put to 9% instead of 5%, does outlaw have a net buff now then?
Or is it still a nerf?
magic steppe
@vivid vessel thx for buff man
vivid vessel
slight nerf
magic steppe
allmost stoped playing
light mural
Hey I started outlaw not too long ago and I kinda suck 😄
Log for ref: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LCM9ZktN3qy1bJjK?fight=last&type=casts&source=3
I know my Blade Furry is kinda trash but theres something I dont really understand :
Im at around 58 cpm and about the same CPM for pistolshot and Sinister Strike
If I compare to someone like Woxtoxic he has the same amount of CPM as me on SS but like 10 more on pistol. Does it mean I eat stacks for dinner and dont pistol shot enough ?
lucid sparrow
makes no sense for a nerf to still happen but
severe river
Hey small question with supercharger, do i NEED to hit the blue combo points and use the finisher?
lucid sparrow
guess i can play again !!
glass mortar
Hey small question with supercharger, do i NEED to hit the blue combo points and...
no
light mural
and also 30CPM more overall I guess I just die of old age or something
gleaming reef
Guys how come I got Mythic Ranger-Captains but it's simming lower than Solar Flare Prism?
glass mortar
its not tied to combo point number at all it just buffs ur next two finishers
glass mortar
Guys how come I got Mythic Ranger-Captains but it's simming lower than Solar Fla...
r u simming it st or dslice
glass mortar
well it wouldnt surprise me if it loses on dslice since it doesnt scale basically at all with aoe
losing st is a bit surprising tho
brisk crypt
Come to think of it would the trickster nerfs make fate bound better?
lucid sparrow
slight nerf
have fun looking at the meters
specially the arms in ur pt
and u being even furhter down !!
strange kelp
Are you not simming the trinkets at the same ilvl?
gleaming reef
Are you not simming the trinkets at the same ilvl?
I am simming it being 1 ilvl higher than my Solarflare and still it's lower.
glass mortar
i mean its basically identical
the light blue color means the gap is so small it close to margin of error usually
but yea idk, both good trinkets so maybe it loses by a bit
i personally never sim this way (with 5000000 enchant/gem combos alongside item comparisons)
because i cant afford to
but also i think it makes it give wonky annoying to read results usually
gleaming reef
the light blue color means the gap is so small it close to margin of error usual...
No, it's orange.
gaunt phoenix
its just cuz ur crit is kinda low without it
dim parrot
Not it’s like that pic of the dress
gleaming reef
zenith sparrow
!talents
glass mortar
i didnt check ur crit level tho if ur low on crit yea that would influence it
gleaming reef
31% crit unbuffed
glass mortar
yea thats a bit low
makes sense
the captains trinket scales with crit, the other one gives u more crit
gleaming reef
I got 31% crit and 20% haste though
gaunt phoenix
the bloodmallet profile has like 40% crit + plume
glass mortar
altho i doubt its crit scaling is anything spectacular
gaunt phoenix
so ranger wins
glass mortar
yea im at 36% crit rn myself
gleaming reef
Where do I get more crit?
glass quartz
i'm simming higher after nerf both st and slightly in aoe, i'm not playing prep could that be the reason?
glass mortar
gear with more crit on it
gleaming reef
Bloodmallet profile is using fatebound, does it matter?
glass mortar
is the nerf even in raidbots yet?
lone surge
does main hand sword or claw matter?
glass quartz
i think so, cloud cover uptime is significantly lower
glass mortar
so all that matters between them is stats
lone surge
are claws slow?
glass mortar
yes
gaunt phoenix
i mean this trinket being 0.2% lower is not an I MUST FIX THIS thing
gleaming reef
i mean this trinket being 0.2% lower is not an I MUST FIX THIS thing
I'm just trying to figure out if I should pick it and bag it.
alpine bloom
!spreadsheet
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gleaming reef
It's either that trinket or token
oh
But I might never see it again though
hmm
glass mortar
i dont know that its a particularly outstanding trinket
gaunt phoenix
its 1 of 3/4 top trinkets
glass mortar
maybe in bis gear its the second trinket for ST but idk if its outstanding like
ye theres other comparable trinkets to take the spot
coarse kraken
plume is good
haughty sparrow
!fuu
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gleaming reef
Not good idea to bag it in case I get more crit?
blissful zinc
No way we have to farm beloren too 🥲
blissful zinc
They had to make prism in skyreach now we have to spend bonus roll in thet cursed dung
Or hero plume ig
hollow temple
vivid vessel
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
i gave up
craggy barn
zac quick
craggy barn
do i reroll hero belo
vivid vessel
cant make it before tmorrow i cba
craggy barn
wtf do i reroll rn then
paper grove
I feel like im getting more bte procs today
blissful zinc
puggable now
Even chimaerus pug takes like a whole day if you get unlucky 💔
I guess thats on me for pugging it one day before reset
craggy barn
idk the only other thing i could reroll is seat for helm
dim parrot
I think once I get mythic gaze I be done raiding this szn
craggy barn
or skyreach for shoulders / trinket
dim parrot
Still haven’t pugged any mythic bosses
1 more week of buffs mayb
Sitting in pug mythic group for hours is so boring
dim parrot
do i socket
This probs my dilemma this week too
glass mortar
idk which class would u be rerolling to
depending on that id say socket
oh token thats much more boring
blissful zinc
1 more week of buffs mayb
GL pugging mythic after waiting that long… you will encounter some ungodly groups
glass mortar
brm?
dim parrot
Yeh I hope to sneak in once my io like 3.7+
blissful zinc
They dont look at rio bro
craggy barn
we dont even have a rogue in my main raid now
bc im tanking
bc no one else can tank
blissful zinc
Your best option is a friend forming and sneaking you in
gleaming reef
Oh damn they seem to have fixed the cloud cover bug
craggy barn
ikr
gleaming reef
Previously it resetted without standing in it.
craggy barn
yes its fixed
craggy barn
i just tested it
glass mortar
@vivid vessel
blissful zinc
we dont even have a rogue in my main raid now
Tell your guild they are allowed to recruit pol
paper grove
you arent thpo
I want to believe
glass mortar
i knew it the moment they were tuning cloud cover
craggy barn
Tell your guild they are allowed to recruit pol
we dont recruit
glass mortar
this bug was gunna be gone
craggy barn
im also the guild leader
dim parrot
They dont look at rio bro
Guess we find out
random stirrup
yes its fixed
ok i recraft for sub for lura
vivid vessel
Oh damn they seem to have fixed the cloud cover bug
no way ?
random stirrup
it was a fun 2 weeks
vivid vessel
is this real ?
glass mortar
xddddd
craggy barn
ill get vid up
random stirrup
gg
vivid vessel
so fucking ass game
glass mortar
its only 6s ur locked in the cloud now zac
harsh quartz
does anyone really understand why we got nerfed?
vivid vessel
im actually so tilted
dim parrot
Lolll
craggy barn
its jus tlower duration
glass mortar
saved
hollow temple
in my asshole
mine too
vivid vessel
what
craggy barn
its kinda fucked tho
random stirrup
nah
glass mortar
wait wdym lower duration
craggy barn
u want to still get back inside
dim parrot
I got baited
glass mortar
what do u mean what is it doing
magic shuttle
gotta find that hidden fatebound extra damage
blissful zinc
So before it runs out u go back in?
random stirrup
I will only trust zachary
craggy barn
zenith sparrow
guys idk Im opening vault for OL or Sub
dim parrot
OL since u can farm sub MH from pit anyways
blissful zinc
Whats the best weapon from dungs anyways
glass mortar
oh that is weird
opaque zenith
Looks like it’s 10 sec still? The counts off 6 when ur out
dim parrot
Nexus MH
paper grove
Whats the best weapon from dungs anyways
nex MH pit oh
glass mortar
6s smoke 6s duration after smoke
glass mortar
hmm but it seems abnormal no
u only got 10s of buff there
should be 12s
it clipped like 2s with the refresh
gaunt phoenix
u have a weakaura that is making a 10s timer
glass mortar
OH its because u didnt move out of the cloud early
glass mortar
i mean i was ignoring ur WA
using the actual blizz aura
but cloud only had 5s left when u got out of it
and u had a 6s buff
vivid vessel
ye so it refresh still
glass mortar
thats what confused me
random stirrup
gleaming reef
My bad
craggy barn
dim parrot
Ok now let’s forget about this and assume it’s intended
novel isle
Return to FB, the promiced land
craggy barn
zac where do i send my rerolls wtf
royal belfry
sup guys, are we back to fatebound on keys?
glass mortar
craggy barn
depends on where u value it at
lean shadow
FATEBOUND IS 2% BETTER THAN TRICKSTER
random stirrup
good luck hitting 1100 haste with that thing on lil gup
lean shadow
MAKE THE SWITCH
royal belfry
u lose perma tricks tho
hell na, trickster it is
buoyant stratus
good luck hitting 1100 haste with that thing on lil gup
im lowkey tempted to just take saladbar neck.
or maybe i wait for reclear....
random stirrup
what are u bonus rolling
buoyant stratus
and then take my crest save neck smile
random stirrup
i clean out pit this week
buoyant stratus
probably beloran trinket
random stirrup
and then take my crest save neck smile
i do not like working on reset days
probably the worst part of working ngl
random stirrup
wow too big to put on my laptop
what can do
I pray for crest save anything or mega highroll alleria neck in vault
socket inc
steel shadow
got my first purple mythic parse on this spec and now im hooked
zinc briar
Did they fix invisible rolls bug? And bte bug when in range
timber knoll
can anyone pls tell me how to not be dogshit https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bZCH9wpzhBjg1J68?fight=118&type=casts&source=3287&view=timeline
blissful zinc
Did they fix invisible rolls bug? And bte bug when in range
I feel like it happened to me today… or i could have been hallucinating
tepid galleon
@vivid vessel outlaw or sub
gaunt phoenix
can anyone pls tell me how to not be dogshit https://www.warcraftlogs.com/report...
prepull snd
didnt blade rush for the whole opener
thorny zinc
do I just like ignore the sim if it keeps trying to give me like 18% haste with crit pot
gaunt phoenix
u keep hitting blind on accident
gaunt phoenix
do I just like ignore the sim if it keeps trying to give me like 18% haste with ...
link
the problem is if ur crit is low
it kinda does like crit
thorny zinc
I think ive got like 30ish crit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9n3A9RwDiz2RjRfJxZoZHS
gaunt phoenix
cuz 18% haste is "enough" to be playable
coarse mesa
!fuu
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gaunt phoenix
you do have 2 hunt which is a nontrivial haste proc
thorny zinc
oh true
tepid galleon
!zac
gaunt phoenix
and u have a haste trinket
its better to have passive haste instead of procs, but i guess enough procs helps keep you afloat
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> outlaw or sub
assa
ty solo
gaunt phoenix
true
dim parrot
Casual showing how good phys comp is with dk instead of rogue lmao
vivid vessel
i mean
for some reason people didnt believe me
when i said that dk is the best spec in the game
while not playing with raid buff
dim parrot
Yeh
vivid vessel
and you can just put that spec in a grp with raid buff
xd
idk tuning is so bad in this game
zinc briar
Arms, feral, retry, dk, are better than outlaw for that comp
dim parrot
Yes
random stirrup
when i said that dk is the best spec in the game
ive been trying to say this
i got some ppl telling me that it will eat arms funnel or some other stuff
but its just op idk
dim parrot
Dk meta 4 seasons in a row is that close to a record for a class or no
zinc briar
No, mage has been 20 seasons in a row
dim parrot
Ok thought that might be true too
random stirrup
spriest was meta for all of df
leaden sonnet
while not playing with raid buff
Well yeah its a caster that benefits from melee raid buffs
random stirrup
also 4 seasons
dim parrot
Man dk in phys comp is so gross actually
zinc briar
The sad thing is that we got 3 specs of dps, and no one is good never
dim parrot
I think one spec is like top 5 dps at least once an xpac
keen belfry
solo is simc updated
vivid vessel
ye
gleaming reef
But we got Cheatdeath
lilac crescent
dim parrot
Wait what’s range on dk kick
leaden sonnet
15?
dim parrot
What
vivid vessel
and they have a grip
dim parrot
Tf
leaden sonnet
They have like one spell they need to be in melee for
dim parrot
What’s dk’s weakness
vivid vessel
they removed acro from outlaw tho
leaden sonnet
What’s dk’s weakness
Nothing
vivid vessel
What’s dk’s weakness
they also have better sprint
their sprint is like
2 charges
more movespeed
remove slows or whatever
idk
does a bunch of things
random stirrup
What’s dk’s weakness
Unironically 0
leaden sonnet
40
random stirrup
Travelling long distances indoors is the only one
unborn turtle
What’s dk’s weakness
When they swap from the hero class they have to relearn the game
eternal socket
the weakness is that they dont also give mark of the wild
glass mortar
their weakness used to be mobility
vivid vessel
ye we are lucky that outlaw gives mark of the wild
glass mortar
they shored it up by making it so they had tools to "not need" to dodge shit in the past
vivid vessel
otherwise it would ne ver be played
glass mortar
AMS and being the tankiest passive dps in the game
then they gave them a sicko mode dash
last expac
dim parrot
Hmmm
glass mortar
so now they arent even immobile
dim parrot
I didn’t know
weary goblet
NA please confirm we can go fatebound 
dim parrot
That they were this good
native tinsel
did any talent node changed from last week or just the tuning
glass mortar
did any talent node changed from last week or just the tuning
cloud cover talent node got nerfed
random stirrup
Legit the only weakness is no passive ms buff so if you have sustained movement or need to go long distances (Windrunner spire) it can be a little annoying
gleaming reef
NA please confirm we can go fatebound <a:praygeBlessed:856940595741851699>
I can only confirm that we should delete character.
glass mortar
but other then that it was just tuning
native tinsel
cloud cover talent node got nerfed
yeah but, are we swaping out of it now?
near rock
I think ive got like 30ish crit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9n3A9RwDi...
wtf why do you sim so low
oh you're on weekly
lean shadow
Guys fatebound is 2% better you can switch
glass mortar
i mean its not but maybe ur gear is scuffed enough that it is
lean shadow
Don’t listen to delve fan
near rock
nightly or latest
lean shadow
Switch to fatebound
glass mortar
u should never be on weekly
novel isle
Did FB get any real changes or just the aura?
floral crown
I did not try fatebound yet (didnt play TWW), how does the damage profile compare?
lean shadow
I did not try fatebound yet (didnt play TWW), how does the damage profile compar...
FB is 2% better
You can switch
floral crown
That's not really what I was asking 
near rock
I think ive got like 30ish crit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9n3A9RwDi...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4rQDoxKAVf5f5kxe2pQzBT same ilvl 15k difference is definitely something..
floral crown
but sure
glass mortar
I did not try fatebound yet (didnt play TWW), how does the damage profile compar...
same profile basically
random stirrup
ots are you playing draught on beloren and lura
floral crown
same profile basically
random stirrup
lean shadow
Idk so many people come in and don’t read the pin so I’m just kind of saying shit
floral crown
I have read the pin, but what I was asking is not really written there
random stirrup
lets just say some things did not go well
i cannot imagine why
lean shadow
I have read the pin, but what I was asking is not really written there
Yea but I’m saying I’m stupid
floral crown
Yea but I’m saying I’m stupid
me too
random stirrup
I did not try fatebound yet (didnt play TWW), how does the damage profile compar...
less AR burst, better energy economy
near rock
i cannot imagine why <:garf:1320173032743899157>
you're putting your dps in Ian hazzikostas's hands if you play rampant abandon on beloren
you might get the fuckin POP OFF
but u also might do zero dps
lean shadow
Spending at 5 prob feels better too
near rock
spin the wheel
random stirrup
you are a literal psychopath for playing that on any fight i cannot lie
maybe dragons its ok
near rock
its been fine on p much every fight
floral crown
less AR burst, better energy economy
Ah I see, so more consistent damage
near rock
just look at ur feet
floral crown
Will be nice in pugs I guess
dim parrot
Does dk have funnel at all or no
glass mortar
!fuu
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random stirrup
udk does have some funnel yes (only in larger aoe)
gleaming reef
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4rQDoxKAVf5f5kxe2pQzBT same ilvl 15k diff...
Something is wrong, I'm only 112k
near rock
thats 6 minutes
near rock
I'm constructed alternatively
random stirrup
its the cheese pot
smh
also plume was like 2% ahead of solarflare prism when i last looked
plume giga!
proven thistle
guys is stat prio changing after patch today?
gleaming reef
ok
glass mortar
guys is stat prio changing after patch today?
no
proven thistle
ty
dim parrot
I probably get to the point soon where I decide if I roll on heroic plume or mythic prism :/
hardy wigeon
is it troll to run numbing poison in high keys
dim parrot
Ilvl inflation always better ig
If tank dying run mind numb
If group dying run atrophic
But you never know what it’s gonna be till it happens so gg
cinder relic
is it troll to run numbing poison in high keys
Its generally better than atrophic for keys
gleaming reef
Ok dumb me
haughty moat
u can change effekt
craggy barn
the on use swaps itye
torpid hedge
Is there a list of all the commands I can write in here?
torpid hedge
!command
craggy barn
i dont remember what it was
torpid hedge
!com
craggy barn
i just remember something and moroez dming u
tropic zephyr
I'm convinced that they did not look at any numbers when they just slapped faze X3 on AR
Btw I called that they would nerf it to X2 because they just didn't know how strong it was
long barn
What do we drop for Ace on Fatebound?
timid idol
sumarly i think
craggy barn
for aoe/mplus, u drop sleight or sd
sleight if u want less rng
sd is technically more dps, but the rng can feel real bad
timid idol
also isnt atro bad for anyone thats not sin in keys
craggy barn
no?
timid idol
fr? is it relevant if you can only hit 1 mob
timid idol
remove poisons from outlaw, make bte stun a talent, let it stun raid bosses
balanced utility
foggy cove
should i probably just take the bonus roll and roll for something on another slot
elder sonnet
which belt are you simming this against?
elder sonnet
oh wow
quaint delta
you gonna wipe on a 5 minute fight by 17000 damage
foggy cove
true
quaint delta
57 dps would've made all the difference
dark ember
Is the Tuesdsy changes a break even situation or overall buff or nerf
Last minute 9% seems nice on paper but idk in practice
keen belfry
It’s essentially neutral
U lose a little ST
You won’t notice your dmg change in kegs
Keys
dark ember
Less burst more overall basically?
restive zenith
If anything it just opens up Fatebound again
keen belfry
Less burst more overall basically?
I’d say this is a fine way to look at it yes
dark ember
Yeah that's what I was wondering if both are in play now
restive zenith
IMO, If you're not perfect with your Coup de Graces like me. I welcome this change. I might go back into Fatebound now. At least feel the difference.
I came here because I was wondering if I go Fatebound. Then, I don't think I need KS anymore, and I am wondering where I would put that Talent Point.
foggy cove
wdym perfect with coup de graces
restive zenith
wdym perfect with coup de graces
Don't crunch Hidden Blade procs
glass mortar
u should not be paying any attention to hidden blade procs
they do not influence ur rotation
u proc and consume them on the backend but they do not impact any rotational rules
restive zenith
Yea I thought that was the case. So i phrased it wrong then.
It just feels bad.
restive zenith
Yea
true dust
Is outlaw now number one of the reason he midtier gsrbage rogue
restive zenith
I am blanking on how to Talent Fatebound, if you don't have to take KS
foggy cove
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1464390389044609166 are these not updated
restive zenith
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1464390389044609166 are these no...
Yea that's why I am asking here. I assume it's probably just 2 in summarly
keen orbit
how come only our ST got hit by the nerf/buff when our rotation mostly stays the same in aoe? shouldnt the aoe get hit jsut as much kinda?
dim parrot
Is outlaw now number one of the reason he midtier gsrbage rogue
What is this I saw people saying it yesterday
Gimme tea
versed crystal
isnt trickster better now for outlaw
craggy barn
its marginally better
glass mortar
how come only our ST got hit by the nerf/buff when our rotation mostly stays the...
Cloud cover doesn't scale 1:1 in aoe vs st
The nerf was aimed at it
indigo hornet
Whats the fateboind build and does it change ur rotation alot?
glass mortar
It's in the faq on the same page as trickster builds
And it has a few rules changes
Biggest ones being you can dispatch at 5cp, ss at 1 CP and I think it still wants to kir 2 buffs
sturdy iron
solarflare two weeks in a row in my vault, game wants me to go outlaw lol
fathom bramble
how come only our ST got hit by the nerf/buff when our rotation mostly stays the...
because of how BF works with damage taken increases and crits the damage nerf from losing the extra damage taken from critical strikes effected ST more than aoe
cold crescent
no
indigo token
thorn parrot
Good changes, hope everyone is blessed on their vault.
shadow trellis
novel birch
I just hit 105K dps on the final boss of Pit of Saron with my outlaw...
I might be cranking now
thorn parrot
Razor were you fate or trick?
outer meteor
so do we actually have to play around the cloud now?
with the changes
or can we still ignore it
novel birch
Razor were you fate or trick?
Fate
daring yoke
For fb do we finish bte at 5 or 6?
rotund haven
6+
novel birch
?
dim parrot
How do u guys not get insta clapped by shredders in MT in hallway
All go at once?
To spread damage
Idk
thorn plinth
blind one or feint and pray
dim parrot
I mean the timing
Like if we don’t all go at same time does that matter for me only getting jumped at
sand berry
I think if only you and tank has hit them they just murder you for fun
which kinda tends to happen as a rogue
dim parrot
Hmm okey
gleaming reef
Hmm is it better to use Arator's Swift Remembrance + Crafted OH (weapon embellishment)
-or-
Arator's Swift Remembrance + Krik's Dagger + Weapon Embellishment on ring and boots?
gleaming reef
I don't know how to add the crafted into Sim
and to create these 2 profiles to compare ><
gleaming reef
Ok I added it but
How do I do those 2 combinations I mentioned?
Have 2 sim pages?
craggy barn
add them all and select them, it will tell u waht the best combo just is
long barn
@gaunt phoenix check dm
craggy barn
as long as u have the resources to make em
gleaming reef
Yup
vivid vessel
@gaunt phoenix check dns
craggy barn
DNS? oh no
novel slate
hodling
real relic
so trickster or fatebound?
lethal oak
both at the same time
round holly
well watching wox rn, he tried fatebound in a 21 pit and zoned out to swap back to trick
orchid plover
ye he last like 3 pulls into pit before switching
lethal oak
fire alarm if he swaps back to assa
thorn plinth
well watching wox rn, he tried fatebound in a 21 pit and zoned out to swap back ...
was gonna say the same xd also watching
vagrant kettle
Hey guys, sorry if this is a noob question, but is there a guide on what I should spend my Nebulous Voidcore on? 
vagrant kettle
wowhead has them
can u send me the link, i never found that bro 🙁
bright plaza
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vagrant kettle
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/outlaw/bis-gear#bonus-rolls
thank u
gleaming reef
top gear, add the gear directly at the top
That said, ring was using prism
Cause I don't have another crafted for that
tender wedge
well watching wox rn, he tried fatebound in a 21 pit and zoned out to swap back ...
I tried playing fatebound for a bit too and despite what sims say I just can’t get it to perform like trickster so yeah glad it’s not just me
And tbh I literally can’t live without perma tricks so that’s fine
arctic hollow
THE FCKIN BUG OF INVISIBLE ROLL
just get the weakaura or make the tracker a bar
plain portal
guys are we playing scruples post nerfs or still the same talents?
next wedge
same, check pins
upper hawk
I tried playing fatebound for a bit too and despite what sims say I just can’t g...
i was gonna say maybe they forgot the 9% aura buff and so fatebound didn't catch up, but that doesn't make any sense as it would hurt trickster too
ancient cobalt
chat do i still want 24% haste
tender wedge
I think it’s just sim things. Trickster gives more flexibility around when you do your damage which is usually helpful for actual play
upper hawk
mainly just having the fart cloud for ghe big pulls is more value
vs a dungeon slice sim doesn't have a mega pull at teh start i don't think
ancient cobalt
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vagrant kettle
Trickster all the way
aoe and st right?
arctic merlin
does cloud cover really sim better than no scruples?
midnight granite
Yes lol
river linden
Did I miss something or perma tricks is not working ?
digital gale
Did I miss something or perma tricks is not working ?
little bug i think, sometimes i feel the same haha
unkempt iris
i love how it took half a season to nerf devourer but as soon as outlaw got a little "too strong" we get tuned quickly
river linden
little bug i think, sometimes i feel the same haha
I don't see it in my buffs neither tank buff
digital gale
I don't see it in my buffs neither tank buff
uh, prob bug then
haughty sparrow
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hazy siren
That Wox camera shake lmao
heavy shard
i love how it took half a season to nerf devourer but as soon as outlaw got a li...
I honestly dont understand why they are so obsessed with tuning. As if this is some grand tournament with huge prize money. They are acting as if they are the Federal Reserve and the economy depends on their 2-3% up or down for various classes. Just let everything be op and let us heave fun. Now the game is overrepresented by the same meta classes for no reason
strange star
M+ fate is better or trick?
heavy shard
pin comment says fatebound is within 1% difference to trickster
you decide what you prefer to play
heavy shard
np ^^
atomic bolt
why is toxic's note "outlaw not nerfed" on his stream?,)[(
glass mortar
because they changed the tuning so we just got a lil nerf
round coyote
Hm, got a myth track fist wep in vault, maybe i try outlaw again.
daring yoke
yo guys is game not up?
glass mortar
it should be i just opened my vault
daring yoke
it should be i just opened my vault
just needed a restart thanks. was stuck at logging in
fossil sable
Anybody know about a bug with bonus rolls?
I've been using all my bonus rolls on pit, and I only have the dagger left to get, but I just rolled a second pair of myth leggings instead (I catalyzed the first one but definitely rolled it already)
copper radish
myth track crit/haste ring in the vault gonna be a good day boys
craggy barn
I've been using all my bonus rolls on pit, and I only have the dagger left to ge...
did u get pants from the first day rolls were out?
leaden sonnet
Or you forgot to change lootspec to sub/assa and rolled as outlaw
fossil sable
did u get pants from the first day rolls were out?
Definitely not, I got neck first
leaden sonnet
All rolls done during the first day or two got refunded because they didnt add the bad luck protection as intended
fossil sable
Or you forgot to change lootspec to sub/assa and rolled as outlaw
This is the reason
Wow
That's heartbreaking
A wasted roll
Thanks for the insight
elfin obsidian
for me trickster is 2.9% ahead in dungeonslice ... sigh. so i dont get to get rid of smokescreen
jovial dock
for me trickster is 2.9% ahead in dungeonslice ... sigh. so i dont get to get ri...
I don’t think we sim d slice, I usually do patchwork 8 targ
But I could be wrong
inland acorn
I don’t think we sim d slice, I usually do patchwork 8 targ
we do
inland acorn
can you link sim
jovial dock
Hm weird I was told it wasn’t supported in d slice, maybe was for a diff rogue spec
dim parrot
Hm weird I was told it wasn’t supported in d slice, maybe was for a diff rogue s...
Think all rogue specs are good in dslice cuz our theorycrafters are goated
soft abyss
Hm weird I was told it wasn’t supported in d slice, maybe was for a diff rogue s...
all rogue specs use dslice
inland acorn
seems about right, but i'm not sure if Solo fully updated sims 
elfin obsidian
4k dif is alot
jovial dock
10/4 guys ty
elfin obsidian
wasnt it supposed to be 1%?
glass mortar
how much % it is will depend on ur gear
i doubt u have the same gear the bis outlaw profile has on
elfin obsidian
nej
teal lava
hey i only have 19% haste unbuffed i feel like i need more what do yall think
tired rune
yes
glass mortar
yes you should get 2-3% more at minimum
fatebound also does better with lower haste so make sure u check ur builds in sims
might even be the case of ur gear is very low on haste fatebound performs the same
but itll feel better
inland acorn
looks like the sim is updated, judging by cloud uptime
teal lava
fatebound also does better with lower haste so make sure u check ur builds in si...
hmm good idea my stats are
34 crit
19 haste
3% vers
11 mast
but when i sim dung gear its saying the only upgrade is heart of wind and by like maybe 200 dps but that doesnt add to my haste
glass mortar
well yes haste trinkets arent going to help you haste wise really
they do technically but you want to avoid them
unless they have flat haste on them
dungeon trinkets in general r pretty meh i think skyreach has one of the better ones
inland acorn
really
gaunt phoenix
fatebound is a bit closer in the long dungeonroute sims
inland acorn
might need to check my sim with it
gaunt phoenix
Where thistle tea runs out
river linden
HOLY SHIT I JUST DID A PULL full GAMBLING
52% jackpot uptime 😭
this spec is just pure dopamine
inland acorn
elfin obsidian
but 2.8% vs 2.800002% it feels like
gaunt phoenix
Recklessness never won in my tests, but there prob is a profile where it does
inland acorn
soft musk
how much better is acro than sleight of hand? i know sleight is better for rng just curious on the number
inland acorn
not much of gain
gaunt phoenix
Its within 0.5%
inland acorn
but you could sim yourself to see
gaunt phoenix
Sleight should be better average in aoe
soft musk
asking solo because he put up the pin. was curious
gaunt phoenix
cuz stage 3 is a bit better in aoe
gaunt phoenix
My fb keys seemed fine
prob trickster slams the big pulls a bit harder
at least when you have Tea in the bank
worldly zephyr
does cloud cover really sim better than no scruples?
Check pins bruh
soft musk
ty solo ❤️ and zac levy guy all yall ❤️
inland acorn
I doubt, but i'm too lazy rn to sim it
inland acorn
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of 
Zero In, and also slightly more 
Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.
It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use 
Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.
grand mango
oh ty
teal lava
this maybe a dumb question is this saying that fatebound is better then trickster for me with my current stats https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mCjDZE5anjpnaXBJTRRJiL
inland acorn
this maybe a dumb question is this saying that fatebound is better then trickste...
you're simming aoe trickster build vs st fatebound on patchwerk 1t
teal lava
what i told it to swap 🙁
inland acorn
also your FB build has only 1 talent in ace
teal lava
its the one from wowhead\
inland acorn
You're also on 19% haste which will make trickster rough
soft musk
is the minimum haste for trickster 23% haste or is it 25%?
teal lava
i was told fb did better with lower haste
teal lava
You're also on 19% haste which will make trickster rough
yea thats why i was checking fb
inland acorn
is the minimum haste for trickster 23% haste or is it 25%?
between 21-23% but, sim likes going like up to 25%
elfin obsidian
@vivid vessel could u make a post with the request of dropping visibility of smokescreen? xD then id enjoy the specc again
teal lava
bc idk where i can get more haste
inland acorn
i was told fb did better with lower haste
yes, but that's also why trickster is simming lower
if you sim with haste flask, it will probably sim closer/higher
long bramble
tell me some cool sword tmog fast
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> could u make a post with the request of dropping visibilit...
my next post will be a more general thing about whats wrong with outlaw
inland acorn
Too bad, there is no ST fights 
teal lava
here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oW1w37W1ZNXjTJbTGCxwHT
oh ok thank you
lofty latch
my 8 target 5 min dummies with my phys comp buffs is 4.84% stronger on cloud trickster vs. FB. sadge gotta keep playing with vape affix
gaunt phoenix
yeah trickster is about 4-5% ahead in just pure aoe
inland acorn
5 min of nonstop 8target aoe ?
I mean
You tailored sim for trickster to come out ahead 
lofty latch
Many dungeons we're constantly drifting mobs in so its not that unrealistic
gaunt phoenix
but in the long dungeonroute sims, where thistle tea is stretched thin, fb gets closer overall
inland acorn
I guess in that case 
fair sparrow
our m+ overall seeming higher or is that just me
gaunt phoenix
no, my fb keys seemed a bit higher
lofty latch
Fb certainly feels better though. Will have to try a high key soon
fair sparrow
oh are we playing fb
frail veldt
Well it should
fair sparrow
i was on trickster
inland acorn
you can choose
tiny condor
When swapping to fatebound which talent do yall recommend I swap for
frail veldt
It got a 9% buff haha
gaunt phoenix
either one
fair sparrow
ST felt worse for sure
inland acorn
Trickster and FB are very close to each other in m+
unborn wedge
FB is feeling pretty close and sometimes outperforming in acutal keys
inland acorn
Its a crime that 1h tricks are in hero tree 
inland acorn
Smoother
gaunt phoenix
you have to get used to SS at 1cps
unborn wedge
yeah smoother
fair sparrow
smoother?
inland acorn
More min maxing with SS and PS
fair sparrow
like no energy problem smoother or
unborn wedge
it feels better - and extremely close, so im personally running FB
inland acorn
No KS, slightly more energy
unborn wedge
like no energy problem smoother or
no energy issues at all
gaunt phoenix
it's more resources and you dont land at 5cps as often
inland acorn
if you run out of teas on trickster it's joeover
unborn wedge
i just had a 150k overall as FB
fair sparrow
maybe ill try fb next key
inland acorn
Also i love how we became like most other specs
When pack is like 15% and we're just not doing anything
to not proc teas
craggy barn
hmmm
do i roll for guidon bc i have nothing else to spend rerolls on
or just get a socket
inland acorn
Socket 
near osprey
what fb talents u guyus running
inland acorn
#outlaw-faq has fatebound builds
inland acorn
I get KS part, but not running KIR in current economy is 
inland acorn
And you can dispatch at 5
glass mortar
is SS at 1 under 6 opportunity stacks?
with 3
ye
idk why i read under as "having" but its a cute rule
fatebound just feels more efficient
waste less
have more energy
inland acorn
yep
glass mortar
and tricksters "utility" talent should buff ur tank somehow
make them tankier
give them armor idk
😠
glass mortar
the tricks target gains 20% dodge
inland acorn
like us
formal thunder
dodge chance
glass mortar
inland acorn
but also make it that
there's 30% chance, that smoke bomb will render for whole party
thorny zinc
30% chance to also drop a flash bang in the smoke bomb
inland acorn
imagine in raid
you're about to kill boss
and boom
you drop a fucking flashbang
Whole raid blind
thorny zinc
LOL
acoustic burrow
is SS at 1 under 6 opportunity stacks?
What is ss?
frail veldt
wowhead inaccurate?
What part?
jagged plover
What is ss?
sinister strike
sand berry
just a lil sandbag don't worry
frail veldt
Aoe depends on target count but yeah it's accurate enough
Could probably say 0
Doesn't matter really
