in terms of being fun to play
#outlaw
floral crown
I'm just sticking with outlaw since I just play m+ anyway
long barn
I feel like when I play Ass it’s like I’m dying
Or I have 2 fingers and the rest got chopped off from a shark
ember shuttle
going from sub to outlaw what should i farm for first w rolls any advice ty in advance:)
heavy creek
I'm new to rogue , i assume assa is the easiest one to play ? I am playing outlaw atm but my zug zug warrior brain even forgets to press roll the bones sometimes.
long bramble
I m prob gonna stick outlaw if my raid leader doesn’t ask to me to change spec tbh
marsh raft
1hr 52mins til vault-o-clock.
floral crown
going from sub to outlaw what should i farm for first w rolls any advice ty in a...
PoS / Npx will both be excellent choices, ultimately depends on what you got atm
long bramble
I'm new to rogue , i assume assa is the easiest one to play ? I am playing outla...
I think sub the easiest assa close tho
long barn
going from sub to outlaw what should i farm for first w rolls any advice ty in a...
I mean MH weapon is first. Then go for crit:haste gear. Gaze and plume are best
marsh raft
gaze and plume are the best for nearly every spec in the fucking game rn lol
long barn
Yep
ember shuttle
have the off hand dagger from pit/bracers/neck and cloak all good and myth just need 1 hander .. got myth puzzlebox and gaze for trinks
marsh raft
I made 2x 285 daggers for sub, so just use one of those for my OH
I havent seen mythic krick dagger yet
long bramble
have the off hand dagger from pit/bracers/neck and cloak all good and myth just ...
I mean puzzle box for outlaw isn’t really good
ember shuttle
i figured:P
floral crown
Go for the main hand in NPX then, or if you do mythic raiding then the 1h sword from Cosmos
I think its a must to use bonus roll to secure good weapons / trinkets since the 298 thing is coming
ember shuttle
kk yvm 🙂
inland acorn
I think its a must to use bonus roll to secure good weapons / trinkets since the...
I mean... crafted weapon will be 295, which is not that behind 298 + you can have embellishment on it
glass mortar
293 innit
5 ilvl gap
or 4, something like that
its bigger then it used to be which sucks
glass mortar
i was told it was bigger then that
inland acorn
glass mortar
i havent gotten a non crafted myth weapon this season so i havent looked directly myself
could be wrong
its a good thing i double weapon crafted ngl 
zero weapons in vault no good weapon drops in raid all season
floral crown
Gap between regular fully upgraded mythic to crafted is 4 ilvl
Wouldn't it make sense if crafted is 294 then?
inland acorn
raidbots says 295
floral crown
raidbot must be right then
floral crown
Still weird
inland acorn
either way 3 or 4 ilvls are beaten by embellishment pretty sure
floral crown
Yeah having 2x embells will be better for sure
glass mortar
rn a 289 mh weapon haste/vers with a ring embellish outsims void embellished mh in my sims
i just dont have a 289 mh
xd
its not big tho
heavy creek
Am i cooked? Skyreach trinket would be an upgrade i guess?
inland acorn
Pretty sure a lot of trinkets would be upgrade over those 2
Unless you're lacking haste, then i guess Guidon is alright
floral crown
Am i cooked? Skyreach trinket would be an upgrade i guess?
its not trinkets that I would upgrade tbh
skyreach doesnt have a lot of items, you have a decent chance to get solarflare prism
inland acorn
You should aim for solarflare / insignia / gaze even on HC they should be upgrade over those 2 you have
floral crown
yep, should be easy to pug HC dreamrift
near rock
@fathom bramble gz on the kill big dog
I will be contacting https://x.com/OvertimePolice though sorry
X
hollow wind
I’m sure this question has been asked 100x but I can’t find it when searching. We playing fatebound from tomorrow? Or waiting to see sims after US servers go live?
near rock
I’m sure this question has been asked 100x but I can’t find it when searching. W...
look at the most recent pin
hollow wind
Thx
queen pine
@vivid vessel just passing here to ty 🙂
fervent garden
I'm feeling mythic Gaze today in Vault. It's my week goddammit!
fervent garden
used 4 rolls iin Saron and Mag. got lucky twice.
queen pine
ty big <@352916297262301194>
Plenty others doing some hard work out there, ex @gaunt phoenix ..
But zac post was the real deal this time 🙂
at least for my pov
elder sonnet
solo also big for keeping that forum post pinned so we can all go and support it
what a moment guys, not the best outcome because it's still a minimal nerf, but this was a journey 😄
glass quartz
is raidbots already updated with the latest changes?
heavy creek
ain't much increase tf.
glass quartz
0.8 is big if you're already stacked with gear
wide heath
thank god they're reverting nerfs I can play comfy FB now ;D
inland acorn
is raidbots already updated with the latest changes?
Don't think so
inland acorn
thank god they're reverting nerfs I can play comfy FB now ;D
Nerfs were never to Fatebound though... ?
They applied to trickster only
fierce mulch
the crit effect mentioned on the pin is related to double eagle eyes?
gaunt phoenix
idk what that is
west ridge
ring enchant
gaunt phoenix
The crit damage effect is Surprising Strikes talent in the Trickster tree
west ridge
the crit effect mentioned on the pin is related to double eagle eyes?
the answer is no
fierce mulch
make sense
arctic hollow
the crit effect mentioned on the pin is related to double eagle eyes?
I'm pretty sure all Eagle Eye does is give you a crit score proc. That's what the buff says when you hit dummies
wide heath
Nerfs were never to Fatebound though... ?
true but trickster is hard on my fingers ;p
fierce mulch
I'm pretty sure all Eagle Eye does is give you a crit score proc. That's what th...
yeah looks like it
dim parrot
Why am I still kinda annoyed 2% nerf
dense coral
Bc the spec is not even good right now haha
Why lie
lavish timber
rogue now is izi to play
marsh raft
how are you defining 'good', cause its nowhere near worst
real yew
Guys, with the need to stay inside/close to the cloud, maybe Fatebound can offset some of the DPS we lose on heavy movement bosses since sometimes we need to hold AR since we'll be moving to other adds/boss? Talking about Crown mostly.
dim parrot
Not good enough to justify 2% nerf
marsh raft
outlaw is pretty solid in M+. Pretty poor in raid tho.
clear zephyr
rogue now is izi to play
Compared to the old version, yes. Compared to other classes, I don't think so.
glass mortar
Guys, with the need to stay inside/close to the cloud, maybe Fatebound can offse...
u dont need to say in the cloud
dense coral
Show me data that it’s good
Not bad enough that 2% make it bad. It’s still belongs in phys comp.
dim parrot
So does anything else just as much lol
ebon maple
dim parrot
Ret surv dk etc.
glass mortar
outlaw did not warrant any sort of reduction in damage period
proper crown
Guys, with the need to stay inside/close to the cloud, maybe Fatebound can offse...
Never needed to stay in cloud. Buff just always stayed for me.
glass mortar
its nice they tried to at least make the nerf more reasonable
it shouldnt have been a nerf at all tho
real yew
u dont need to say in the cloud
No? Don't we need to stay or go there when it's close to disappear for another 10sec?
proper crown
Nope
glass mortar
No? Don't we need to stay or go there when it's close to disappear for another 1...
no its bugged
no ur not
real yew
no its bugged
ohhhh
glass mortar
u were playing the way it reads
proper crown
I think its been bugged but you never needed to dip back in.
real yew
Thanks blizz for quality bug control, as always
dim parrot
Not bad enough that 2% make it bad. It’s still belongs in phys comp.
Point is it’s not good enough that it warrants 2% nerf I think you’d agree w that at least
glass mortar
its way better this way tho lul
proper crown
Its fine. Streamers doing 20s are dipping in and out so how were you to know.
real yew
Jeez, so much potencial I lost. lol.
real yew
its way better this way tho lul
MUCH better
dense coral
Ret surv dk etc.
Not being #1 spec in game doesn’t mean spec is bad lol
real yew
thanks boys, didn't knew
proper crown
No worries. Good luck in the future staying on mobs.
vivid vessel
Not being #1 spec in game doesn’t mean spec is bad lol
assa prolly better than outlaw pre nerf
dim parrot
Not being #1 spec in game doesn’t mean spec is bad lol
You’re just making stuff up
dim parrot
Not even what we were talking about
inner yacht
least obv ragebait
dim parrot
Just saying random things
dense coral
assa prolly better than outlaw pre nerf
Only child syndrome
thick vigil
proper crown
Does he play wow zac
dense coral
“If im not #1 then i might as well be considered last”
dense coral
Ok who said that
Literally you
dim parrot
Having a conversation w urself bud
pearl trout
bro just typing shit
worldly zephyr
Ricky Bobby said a version of it
dense coral
Didn’t mean to tag zac earlier. Sorry zac
proper crown
Naruto pfp just typing letters making words and sentences wild
proper crown
He still typing damn
vague cape
dense coral
Just go up and read?
dim parrot
Naruto pfp just typing letters making words and sentences wild
Revenge second account
proper crown
Who is revenge
dim parrot
Sus
proper crown
I just said exactly what ur doing wasn't taking sides lil bro
dim parrot
I don’t think you read the context lol
proper crown
Its pretty funny
livid kindle
holy zac is my hero
dim parrot
Not me Zac got my spec 2% nerf
vivid vessel
look
on the brightside
its not really an aoe nerf prolly
so it only nerf what we were really good at
the st
its ok
unkempt dew
Do we get the void upgrade thing this week?
vivid vessel
next reset
rotund haven
Who’s playing fatebound today😏
livid sand
so it only nerf what we were really good at
So youre not that good at it anymore perfect. So why play outlaw?😄
unkempt dew
next reset
Damn why does it take so long man
vivid vessel
prolly not
trickster is ahead + have perma tricks
so like
if perma tricks was a rogue talent
unkempt dew
Aaight Aaight
unkempt dew
I get it
glass breach
Just macro tricks to sinister strike. The ol' "we have perma tricks at home" special
uneven fog
Are we expecting stat priority changes, assuming crit effect is removed?
glass mortar
no
vivid vessel
Just macro tricks to sinister strike. The ol' "we have perma tricks at home" spe...
but its not perma tho
its not about clicking it lol
idc about clicking it
but without perma tricks you cant just insta send on packs
ytou have to wait a bit
or you will get agro back
near rock
i love him very much
first time I've seen you positive about something
vivid vessel
ty
livid kindle
instead of locked to a hero talent for whatever reason
zac i love you ❤️ thanks for standing up for rogue brotherhood
vivid vessel
:D
buoyant stratus
Hello i am from NA server
vivid vessel
fake af
near rock
it works 
steel shadow
wtf ots plays wow and is an outlaw rogue
heavy willow
@vivid vessel if they don’t change the crit damage from stacking so you think overall it’s a buff to outlaw ?
buoyant stratus
<@352916297262301194> if they don’t change the crit damage from stacking so you ...
Its an insane buff no?
inland acorn
There's like 0.1% chance for that happening
wide coral
50% actually
opal badger
Speaking chances in gambling spec
vivid vessel
i doubt that talent doubling in value during the small amount of time we get in cloud
amount to 2 %
lol
inland acorn
50% actually
opal badger
50% actually
My boy, either happens or not
vivid vessel
maybe it would be a .5% buff holy macaroni
from the 2% nerf i mean
so a 1.5% nerf instead
huge no
wide coral
just like its a 50/50 that your next rtb is a jackpot so you should roll on cooldown
mighty pivot
why are people daydreaming of crit stacking staying in?
near rock
some1 test coin dmg when na is up also
plain fox
@vivid vessel for president!!! uor savior..
river badger
I don't play outlaw but saw the patch note changed from 5-9%. How did you guys manage this? Pay someone off at blizz?
inland acorn
Yes
wide coral
blackmail
mighty pivot
all thanks to @cinder relic's tweet 
vivid vessel
some1 test coin dmg when na is up also
will be in spell data
river badger
So basically outlaw is gonna be fine? Are we pogging?
vivid vessel
doesnt need a test
mighty pivot
what if they mess up some server side scripts though... better have our NA beta testers check
mighty pivot
imagine if the auto attack bug returns 
valid hound
whats concerning is that we need to do math
and show them
so they understand what to do
dim widget
non rog player friend of mine, what a gigachad gamer moment opinion
ornate kernel
With the outlaw nerf and sub buff, the 3 specs are the same now no?
snow vessel
I mean they were already pretty close
strong halo
is item boos tthis week?
tired rune
river wing
non rog player friend of mine, what a gigachad gamer moment opinion
well that's true
tired rune
is item boos tthis week?
think one more week
vivid vessel
With the outlaw nerf and sub buff, the 3 specs are the same now no?
assa is prolly ahead in high keys
i think it already was pre nerf
as long as you were not playing arms with it
cause assa eats arms funnel
no good !
heavy shard
Noob question here. When I sim my outlaw rogue the sim says I can dish out 86k dps. And I read that if I use SBR I can lose around 25-30% dps. Fine but then when I go to the dummy and use SBR I only do 30k dps... this is far bigger dps drop. I
ornate kernel
assa is prolly ahead in high keys
Ye i think, but Who wants to press a bottom every 3 seconds?
crystal canopy
Noob question here. When I sim my outlaw rogue the sim says I can dish out 86k d...
do you press your cooldowns with the OBR?
glass mortar
Noob question here. When I sim my outlaw rogue the sim says I can dish out 86k d...
are you manually activating your dps cooldowns?
OBR does not do this and the dps loss from OBR is assuming you still properly activate ur major cds
heavy shard
yes like Roll the bones, keep it rolling if I hit 3+ and AR etc etc
glass mortar
yea
vivid vessel
isnt obr 30% less gcd
heavy shard
yes I do, I have a quick spike in dps to 40k and then it goes back down to 30k dps
glass mortar
i mean are u comparing it to a patchwerk sim with all raid buffs and consumables
heavy shard
I read its 20% penalty
glass mortar
u dont have most or any of those on a dummy
buoyant ridge
ok, I'm a little behind ...wtf is going on with us ? we getting buffed? nerfed? berfed? nuffed?
heavy shard
i mean are u comparing it to a patchwerk sim with all raid buffs and consumables
ah fair enough I thought the sim just takes my gear as it is and thats all
glass mortar
if u didnt change any of the default stuff
gaunt phoenix
was nerfed but it was reverted into mostly neutral change
glass mortar
then u probably simmed patchwerk with full raid buffs and consumables
heavy shard
okay thats explains a lot 😄 thank you I was losing my mind
glass mortar
meaning the 86k it showed you is much higher then ud expect to be on a target dummy in just ur gear
gaunt phoenix
u can select target dummy instead of patchwerk in sim
glass mortar
^
gaunt phoenix
patchwerk is a raid boss where you sit there (like patchwerk in naxxrammas)
heavy shard
I am getting the hang of the spec and will soon ditch the SBR but it was really useful in the beginning but then I just keep seeing these low ass numbers and was bamboozeled
buoyant ridge
i've never touched that in sim - should we set it to dummy? have i been doing it wrong all this time?
glass mortar
yea its exceptionally bad for specs like outlaw
vivid vessel
@near rock can you hurry up
glass mortar
no use patchwerk
vivid vessel
im trinna see spell data
glass mortar
patchwerk for ST dslice for aoe
timid wadi
good ol' extension
gaunt phoenix
you set it to dummy if you want to see your dummy results 
native tinsel
<@153610803923255296> can you hurry up
i was about to comment, this reset was longer than other weeks
glass mortar
patchwerk just isnt going to work well if you are trying to compare ur tests on a dummy with no consumables or buffs
near rock
<@153610803923255296> can you hurry up
blizz
onyx adder
I have tried SBR for fun and honestly.. It might be harder than just playing normally. It's so clunky.
glass mortar
unless u modify it to resemble ur tests
steel shadow
thankfully i got all my shards of dundun in before servers went down...
heavy shard
I have tried SBR for fun and honestly.. It might be harder than just playing nor...
It keeps using blade flurry on single target for no reason
dusty blaze
Aye sbr for outlaw is unbelievably bad
heavy shard
Also another question. I play with blizz's set up and its hella hard to keep track on all the stuff. I've read I should be using Zac's UI. Where can I find it?
vivid vessel
eh its a bit complicated to install and stuffs
i wouldnt recommend using it unless you know what it is and you are commited to outlaw
heavy shard
fair enough thank you
buoyant ridge
Luxthos' isn't bad - i use it and he has a YT explaining full set up and options
heavy shard
Thanks I will check it out
glass quartz
are we gonna see more FB action after reset?
elder sonnet
probably not
heavy shard
Aye sbr for outlaw is unbelievably bad
Hella comfortable in delves tho 😄 I use it as trickster and shut my brain off and demolish stuff... but probably hurt my ability to master the spec
elder sonnet
fartcloud here to stay
heavy shard
are we gonna see more FB action after reset?
Yes from me 😄 I love the animations and if its close enough to trickster I am all in
glass quartz
guess we'll see how the 1% diff plays out, i haven't played fatebound but it seems more chill rotation wise
no 1h tricks but still
prisma heron
Toward the end of AR does it matter what your last global should be? Like…
Would you bte if you’re at 5 cb pts to squeeze it in AR?
If both Blade Rush snd BTE are ready, do you still blade rush as the last AR global?
Also during AR, are you using KS?
coarse mesa
With the new buff does that mean the legendary law does more ST than sub
past stump
ST is nerfed
glass quartz
Toward the end of AR does it matter what your last global should be? Like…
Woul...
blade rush always before bte, KS during AR, basically AR doesn't change our priority list in any way
only reason i would squeeze 5cp bte is at the very end of a dps increase phase and i'm not even sure if that's optimal
prisma heron
Awesome that helps! Ty
glass quartz
no worries
marsh raft
or just follow the action suggestion thing. but it wont be optimal.
coarse mesa
ST is nerfed
Insane. Lock the discord
marsh raft
Insane. Lock the discord
wont happen to a pure dps class, the other two specs wont agree.
glass quartz
@vivid vessel i hope you're gonna send a few FB keys after reset i wanna see how it plays in highest keys
marsh raft
we have less leverage than ret pallies lol
we're also not one of the most popular classes in the game. hunters could mebbe pull it off
summer nimbus
If we have like 10-15 sec of triple threat/jackpot with loaded dice buff still there but AR is up should we roll and potentially get double trouble or nah
hybrid pecan
Surely chaning back to back bte at 5cp isn't as bad with fb, right?
Please just let me machine gun in peace
timid wadi
@marsh raft what lvl keys you be doing with sba no shottt
marsh raft
<@1446140583327301747> what lvl keys you be doing with sba no shottt <:HOLY:1250...
highest ive done with SBA was an 11, but I really dont recommend it
its like a 30k dps loss as outlaw
timid wadi
well yeah lol sba be trollin with the gcd
marsh raft
as assassination is basically equal, which is amusing
timid wadi
i didnt know ppl used it
marsh raft
theres little difference between sba and not for assa
marsh raft
i didnt know ppl used it
I use it for stuff that takes no effort I dont wanna think about, like delves or tanking low level keys on my brm
press to cast enabled, hold down the 1 key, win.
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> i hope you're gonna send a few FB keys after reset i wanna...
idk
maybe i will test in resil keys
to me its worse in any way
you dont have perma tricks
and it sims worse
so like
blissful idol
I prefer to finish at 6+ than not having tricks
marsh raft
huh, seems that uhdk have it worse than us
vivid vessel
well i would hope so tf
marsh raft
enh still bugfucked lol
frail veldt
We're like more than 10% behind them
And they bring grips
Ams
Amz
Ranged kick
They're fine
marsh raft
well I certainly hope no one ever rolled rogue for the group utility
marsh raft
ehh
frail veldt
well I certainly hope no one ever rolled rogue for the group utility
Well they ain't rolling it for damage
sand berry
how is cloak and ams abilities in the same game
marsh raft
Well they ain't rolling it for damage
I did originally, but that was in vanilla for pvp 😄
gaunt phoenix
We're not -2% aoe
round holly
what's the real damage?
gaunt phoenix
it's -2% st and -0% aoe
marsh raft
it is
I think melee is a negative to any class (and yes, I get thats weird cause i main rogue)
so uhdk might be 10/10 but they drop to 9/10 cause melee imo
round holly
it's -2% st and -0% aoe
well thats solid news
dense coral
UH isnt melee anymore
marsh raft
demo lock is about as solid and useful
round holly
UH is practically summoner class now
atomic coyote
Only one spell needs melee range
marsh raft
o.O
atomic coyote
Every 24s
marsh raft
the fuck lol
steel shadow
mildly disengenous you will run out of corpses before needing to reapply fester if you go full ranged dps
vivid vessel
so uhdk might be 10/10 but they drop to 9/10 cause melee imo
but that doesnt matter if they are doing ininfite damage lol wdym
atomic coyote
mildly disengenous you will run out of corpses before needing to reapply fester ...
Its rng, but sure quite likely
gleaming lichen
!wa
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random stirrup
mildly disengenous you will run out of corpses before needing to reapply fester ...
just fester again before walking out if ur gonna get downtime
surely its not like 15 gcds long
drifting sleet
steel shadow
just fester again before walking out if ur gonna get downtime
yeah no you can play ranged a lot of the time but phrasing it as only needing melee for fester is, as i said, mildly disengenuous
valid hound
how does our play change now? its slightly less burst while smoke cloud, and more consistent dmg overall?
atomic coyote
Well it is the only button that requires melee literally
nova sinew
huh, seems that uhdk have it worse than us
i am just expecting frost to be meta now idk
glass mortar
the "burst" of smoke cloud was already practically unnoticable compared to fatebounds profile
nova sinew
it gets a 5% buff every tuning pass
marsh raft
ima have to start levelling my dk the shitty slow way cause earthen cant be dk. this annoys me.
valid hound
yeah thats what i thought, we're more flat now
random stirrup
i am just expecting frost to be meta now idk
udk is still the best spec in the game bruh
in keys
random stirrup
i tried it a bit
the st is actually very good it just doesnt do aoe like udk does
you also need skyfury unlike udk
atomic coyote
And at least if you go dw, imo the gameplay downgrade is real.
steel shadow
ima have to start levelling my dk the shitty slow way cause earthen cant be dk. ...
u dont have like 5 of each class at 80 from lemix?
at the end you could make a toon and sit afk at the start of en and nh and be 80 in like 40 minutes with like maybe 15 mins of actually playing the character
bronze badge
it gets a 5% buff every tuning pass
9% now
nova sinew
fdk brotha
marsh raft
u dont have like 5 of each class at 80 from lemix?
at the end you could make a t...
nah i wasnt even playing wow during legion remix actally
steel shadow
remix goes hard
marsh raft
ill do my dk next week during timewalking i guess
random stirrup
surely +5% one way -7/8% the other way
im pretty sure if you play udk properly it's like 10% ahead of the second highest dps
nova sinew
im just saying its like every time they do this thing
where they buff a spec 5% each tuning (non rogue)
it ends up meta
queen pine
@vivid vessel maybe 1 more post get us to 12%?
Or maybe is too soon, we ait next patch.
lmaop
random stirrup
fdk and udk also play literally the exact same gearset (minus DW potentially)
glass mortar
true!!! we need another legendary zac forum post
random stirrup
so the swap could happen like that
marsh raft
wonder if maintenance will get extended another hour
nova sinew
happened with arcane that one season it just kept getting buffed and buffed
glass mortar
zac posts to the NA forums for first time ever and we immediatly get compensated an additional 4%
queen pine
zac posts to the NA forums for first time ever and we immediatly get compensated...
this!
glass mortar
coincidence????
queen pine
We found the way
steel shadow
fdk and udk also play literally the exact same gearset (minus DW potentially)
frost also has the benefit of being somehow even more braindead than unholy so it wouldnt have much barrier to entry on the skill department either
marsh raft
shoulda closed the discord
queen pine
3 more post and we get a decent raid buff next tier maybe? lol
steel shadow
one day blizzard will find a way to make bdk viable in high keys while not removing its identity as the ping pong immortal tank
marsh raft
like half the high key tanks are brm anyways, so no point rn
just go with the zen of monkness.
floral crown
the st is actually very good it just doesnt do aoe like udk does
it does super high amount of aoe burst
but unlike udk, it just doesnt have as much longevity
lavish timber
floral crown
Seems real to me
hybrid pecan
Is fast action that worthless? Not even worth dropping 1 point off summarily dispatched to get it?
regal saffron
elfin obsidian
is there a way to drop smokescreen on trickster in m+? or does sim say noooo... i cant anymore, i really cant
gaunt phoenix
yes, you can just go fatebound
placid vapor
Hello, new to outlaw and dps in general, i deal most of my dmg with blade flurry (ig it inclues "zone'd" auto attacks damage from it) is it viable / recommended to trop loaded dices for acrobatic strikes ? Thank you
gaunt phoenix
No, loaded dice is perhaps the strongest talent in the entire tree
lilac crescent
after the recent changes, with the 9% aura buffs where does that leave outlaw relative to the other specs?
verbal lily
i think the 9% buff compensates the cloud nerf quite a bit more than yesterday
elfin obsidian
so we dispatch 5+ on fb, does that count for bte as well?
opal raptor
after the recent changes, with the 9% aura buffs where does that leave outlaw re...
We’re now the most overhated, underrated off-meta-meta spec.
glass mortar
no just dispatch
elfin obsidian
no just dispatch
so even if it proccs i build 6+?
glass shard
verbal lily
the 9% buff just offsets heavy trickster nerf
question is, do we keep using cloud or switch
real relic
servers on
glass mortar
so even if it proccs i build 6+?
yes
gaunt phoenix
You still use cloud
lapis meadow
Relationship ended with trickster, now fatebound is my best friend
gaunt phoenix
unless they bugfixed the cloud refresh thing then maybe fuck it
elfin obsidian
whats that rule to use SS instead of PS procs on 1 cp tho. is it really necessary?
gaunt phoenix
yes, it is
lilac crescent
probably not really changing
so will still be pumping just not as much as before?
gaunt phoenix
it's because PS at 1cp will always you to 5cp
but SS at 1cp can maybe get you to 6cp
without losing anything
it's just more cps in the long run
elfin obsidian
hmm... so keep pistolshot for 2+ then?
gaunt phoenix
well, you still pistol shot if you are at 6 opportunity
gaunt phoenix
you still dont want to overcap opportunity
elfin obsidian
ahh i see
placid ocean
Cloud cover is now the same duration as AR if you get full uptime, right?
elfin obsidian
i swear, idgaf about 13% more dmg until tomorrow. ill swap fb asap. the 18 npx gave me the rest
drowsy void
how long does raidbots usually take to update with the new patch?
lavish timber
sv up
hot night
should I grab a mythic heart of wind for my outlaw set or just take tier helm
eternal socket
na is up
dim parrot
Heart of wind likely gets replaced
gaunt phoenix
maybe they are slow or raidbots detection thing broke
vivid vessel
hm
hot night
ye if I bother to pug alnseer
vivid vessel
i mean it should be easy to check
gaunt phoenix
ye
hot night
na is up
gaunt phoenix
they are in
keen belfry
ty big bro
vivid vessel
they are in
really
tight kernel
The day or reckoning is here
vivid vessel
where tf are my spell data
hearty stump
locked in guys vault
keen belfry
this gotta be the worst vault ever no?
gaunt phoenix
i mean that ring is fine
ebon maple
im happy
gaunt phoenix
also bonus roll who cares about vault
dim parrot
Probably only at max ilvl with giga haste
keen belfry
i cant afford a no haste ring
eternal socket
haste flask cheaper, big dub
vivid vessel
any haste flask enjoyer
keen belfry
im haste flask man!
ebon maple
yeah haste flask
vivid vessel
gege ..
nova sinew
winners win
wide coral
ready for my gaze from vault prayge
gaunt phoenix
they didnt fix the cloud cover refresh thing
quaint mauve
this gotta be the worst vault ever no?
mine was worse
robust vessel
they didnt fix the cloud cover refresh thing
Meaning?
tired rune
BULLISH
tired rune
guess im playing tonight
vivid vessel
are you kidding me
i mean its kinda irrelevant tho no ?
it stacks to 2 only
and very reduced uptime
ionic citrus
it means a temporary buff until they fix it?
ionic citrus
lame to push fatebound that much further behind
keen belfry
man i was hoping to play some fb today
vivid vessel
lame to push fatebound that much further behind
i think fatebound was unplayable anyway
random stirrup
the crit damage thing still stacks
@nova sinew its law time baby
vivid vessel
you cant play it in keys
if its even slightly behind
cause perma tricks
is just so op
plain whale
Wonder what the REAL nerf/buff was then.
copper radish
Perma trickz >>>>
vivid vessel
we still need to see spell data for the aura tuning
keen belfry
if the crit thing still stacks is this just a buff to outlaw? idk how much thats worth
burnt dragon
already have a myth cloak but it's crit vers. rings are myth occlusion of void and hero vorasius ring. do i take the feather here?
nova sinew
<@588903099867856907> its law time baby
burnt dragon
trinkets are hero gaze and myth banner
native tinsel
the crit damage thing still stacks
@cinder relic i guess you have your answer
vivid vessel
ye
elder furnace
the rollercoaster
gaunt phoenix
i got skill issued
random stirrup
i lied its not stacking
????? wtf?
keen belfry
ok maybe back to try a fateabound key today
native tinsel
i lied its not stacking
worthy ice
ryldd already spreading fake news on internet
random stirrup
this cannot be..
nova sinew
i lied its not stacking
ember shuttle
should i roll for myth wep from nex or craft one and go for trinket from skyreach ..
graceful goblet
light ingot
so did anyone simmed the nerfed numbers how much did we get nerfed?
magic shuttle
Weapon because it's also sick tmog
graceful goblet
the crest save is stonks
burnt dragon
take the neck and then play fatebound so your coins can proc it
keen belfry
if weapon drops on ur reclear u just get it
and/or reroll, but that applies to neck too
random stirrup
neck is very rare!
cinder relic
Neck is very rare, and 40 crests
graceful goblet
put it in the bag
cinder relic
I just have the stinky mastery weapon
dim parrot
Weap so ez tho
random stirrup
saladguy also drops it often it seems
keen belfry
meh we played mastery weapon before, u have myth weap ye?
cinder relic
meh we played mastery weapon before, u have myth weap ye?
ye
cinder relic
Still bad vibes
keen belfry
mastery maxxing, neck and weapon matery
keen belfry
main coochie proccing hard in aoe tho
dim parrot
I think that’s fair tbh
native tinsel
i mean, if you already have the sword, i would much rather save 40 crests and upgrade something else
you will get another one from bonus rolls and reclear eventually
cinder relic
I have A sword
not the sword
I'm also getting trolled on my bonus rolls this week
cinder relic
We have a lura buyer and I'm the only person sittable
After bonus rolling her twice
My life is over
dim parrot
Like 0% aoe -2% st
cinder relic
No fucking ring
queen pine
gotta love it
random stirrup
We have a lura buyer and I'm the only person sittable
roll dk with me
random stirrup
grip is not a raid buff
cinder relic
Crests almost don’t matter now
Bro crests do matter
I'm fucking 282 ilvl
I'm the least geared player in wow
plain whale
Take the neck.
native tinsel
i mean, when are they removing crests cap? next week or something? the season is so quick that it might happen this month still
plain whale
If you go back sub that's also really good. Yeah?
vivid vessel
40 myth crests for my neck
the neck is good for law aswell
torn lichen
Crests almost don’t matter now
It’s call dual wield 80 crest tax
cinder relic
roll dk with me
WE have like 3Dks now I think I'm rolling WW
toxic galleon
is myth fist weapon main hand fine to use?
i got drop in mythic
ForeverGuy [GN], Role icon, Outlaw - Fatebound Heads — 5:19 PM
cinder relic
We have 0 WW and WW's would have been correct for beloren for example
random stirrup
ah, the classic homeless melee multiclass
dim parrot
But also couple weaps that are all the same
random stirrup
the rogue/ww/surv/feral repertoire
dim parrot
Salad or one from nexus
cinder relic
the neck is good for law aswell
I have saladar neck
dusty blaze
Cloud buff still refreshing without going back in?
cinder relic
the rogue/ww/surv/feral repertoire
WW is lowkey always broken
dim parrot
Yeah WW is sneaky always good
native tinsel
ah, the classic homeless melee multiclass
doesnt it piss you off that melees have to multispec but mages/warlock dont even need alts
random stirrup
doesnt it piss you off that melees have to multispec but mages/warlock dont even...
no i love multiclassing
cinder relic
Is the alleria neck better than saladar?
ionic flint
back to fatebound after the nerfs, yeah?
random stirrup
WW is lowkey always broken
why even multiclass when rogue is getting the best raid buff in the game in 12.1 ala hunter
cinder relic
True though
vivid vessel
Is the alleria neck better than saladar?
depends on your stats
toxic galleon
Someone tell me if using a fist weapon is troll pls
vivid vessel
it can be
toxic galleon
how come?
toxic galleon
XD
ionic flint
Someone tell me if using a fist weapon is troll pls
dagger OH, anything but dagger mh. your good bro
keen belfry
swords are more pokey so they hurt more
toxic galleon
any mainhand is fine then
random stirrup
True though
3% dr 3% crit chance debuff only
keen belfry
fist weapons are too blunt vs armored enemies
random stirrup
1 target max application
tulip basin
Use fist and mog to sword
random stirrup
3 rogues on all council fights
torn lichen
3 rogues on all council fights
each one full ST since cleave is nonexistent?
long bramble
gotta love it
random stirrup
each one full ST since cleave is nonexistent?
they're playing tank rogue with full vers build
dim parrot
Sounds gross tbh
random stirrup
just applying debuff
long bramble
myth belt or socket belt?
gaunt phoenix
surprise fire alarm inspection scared the unholy shit out of me
keen belfry
good thing unholy got nerfed
slow lichen
Zac, u gonna go back to FB for M+? Or staying trickster?
keen belfry
right guys?
severe fractal
myth belt or socket belt?
i aways take myth when its a agi slot
keen belfry
@vivid vessel i kinda wanna go spend 2 rolls in seat and get this helm and then i can take ring eh
coarse mesa
are the tuning changes in raidbot yet, i wanna see the law
dim parrot
I’m hoping I get either helm from seat or SR trink so I don’t have to touch their loot tables
coarse mesa
their hotfix watcher sppears to be broken
oof
cinder relic
What does a FB ST talent look like now
dim parrot
They removed it
gaunt phoenix
What does a FB ST talent look like now
fair sparrow
just yap
dim parrot
Idk solo said so
gaunt phoenix
i love the FB ST tree, it has everything
fair sparrow
ok im test
gaunt phoenix
yes i tested it
keen belfry
i love the FB ST tree, it has everything
this is why i wanna play fb
-1 talent point actually feels quite bad
native tinsel
I have a little sim question, when we do it as target dummy, it overrites any buff, but, does that mean that if I'm using some leftover buffs from content (like food flask etc) wouldnt that "taint" my results if im practicing?
gaunt phoenix
yes but you can also just do patchwerk and deselect what buffs you dont have
target dummy is just a fast way to deselect everything
dim parrot
Probably healthier tbh
I don’t like the talent being too op in kong run
Esp if they ever make it so we have to stand in cloud
paper grove
is the FB wowhead build current?
dim parrot
But boy do I ever wish
Fazed DR stacked more
Played in a group with unholy and dev last night and the tank said “nice 3 tanky dps”
¿
sonic flint
Any NA gamers with FB Sims 🤔
cinder relic
is the FB wowhead build current?
My guess is no. I'm gonna go fix everything up after I finish eating
unkempt dew
Stack or no stack
Also wondering
paper grove
trickster seems to be simming a bit more for me atm
gaunt phoenix
ye raidbots not updated
rocky tapir
weee my 3day outlaw bootcamp and bonus rolling for outlaw didnt go to waste
rejoice!
brazen mural
noob question for the new patch do we still get cloud cover or nah
gaunt phoenix
you do
unborn wedge
after doing a couple m+ trickster feels a lot better imo
maybe im running the wrong spec for fatebound - but thats my personal xp
tulip jewel
hard to offset the gain from perma tricks anyway
copper radish
So are we fatebounding or tricking today
ionic flint
hard to offset the gain from perma tricks anyway
yeah, not getting theat for that initial attack like you do when having to cast tricks; i can be suck a dickhead to slow tanks
its fun
ebon maple
280ilvl and perma declined from 10 keys feelsgoodman
tight kernel
ez nxp ring no
gaunt phoenix
So are we fatebounding or tricking today
trickster is a bit ahead but fb is close enough if you like it
keen belfry
ez nxp ring no
bothr ings banger
prisma heron
yeah, not getting theat for that initial attack like you do when having to cast ...
Feel like slow tanks suffer more from trick cause you slow all the mobs down and they panic thinking they lost threat
keen belfry
makes sense to me
midnight granite
Tell me how to feel @vivid vessel
vivid vessel
Tell me how to feel <@352916297262301194>
its a 2% nerf at most in st
i coudlnt care less now
im fine wiht it
i feel fine
feel the same
copper radish
Everything’s fine 
tight kernel
What stage of denial is that
ember shuttle
should i roll on myth weps from nex or try get the mythic trink from skyreach .. have the puzzle box atm..was wondering if i should justcraft main hand cuz its only 4 ilvls any advice thx
gaunt phoenix
spell data looks like 8.9% boost to everything and nothing weird
hardy thicket
denial would be if nothing changed
vivid vessel
spell data looks like 8.9% boost to everything and nothing weird
were
placid ocean
should i roll on myth weps from nex or try get the mythic trink from skyreach .....
Just kill mythic alleria and get her weapon
vivid vessel
its not in simc
ember shuttle
i wish
gaunt phoenix
it is but they didnt update the data dump
glass mortar
dont show him
vivid vessel
uh
opal badger
how hard to learn is sub rogue from 0 experience?
opal badger
fuck
hazy siren
tight kernel
2 buttons
copper radish
Bro only lasted 3 days as an outlaw 😂
opal badger
Bro only lasted 3 days as an outlaw 😂
no, i want to play outlaw
but i got invite to second myth prog
opal badger
and they want sub
errant terrace
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gaunt phoenix
doesnt simc reads the data dump directly
the spell data was updated here, but it's unreadable https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/7b64ebfb11a29b62bb212ee75859e4d080216c47
the dump is generated after the fact but they didnt do it yet
what you can do is run latest vs nightly with debug=1
latest https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iCrjrfeR5zGyiQ2vstUHQ4
nightly https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sMFWc429ANjEVJqziYKzFZ
and then the report has the data in it
opal badger
the only problem is that i already fullsent rolls into pit and crafted one handed weapon
vivid vessel
the spell data was updated here, but it's unreadable <https://github.com/simulat...
i see
dim parrot
Get kricks dagger from pit
opal badger
Get kricks dagger from pit
thats my plan after reset
gaunt phoenix
our spec aura is 137.64%, was 126.36%
8.9% increase
brisk spear
So we are getting scammed by 0.1?
vivid vessel
ye go make a post about it
brisk spear
Gg close discord
gaunt phoenix
ye wtf !
rustic nimbus
if i had to play sub all of sudden
follow your heart… not a guild….
echo tapir
i bonus rolled a neck
wrecked
haughty moat
2 diamonds ?
echo tapir
thats weird xD
nova sinew
!
opal badger
follow your heart… not a guild….
ik, rogue was side project to just play but i want help guildies, they are about to prog crown
nova sinew
holy
haughty moat
diamonds are unique
nova sinew
look i only get 4 hours sleep
brisk spear
xd
haughty moat
ebon maple
impossible to get key inv via pug as outlaw on reset morning
unborn wedge
i havent had iassues
ebon maple
all i wanna do is run two nexus point 10s for re rolls, im at 2.75k io and 280 ilvl and no inv with 43 10-11s done
echo tapir
look i only get 4 hours sleep
should maybe sleep lol
ionic flint
all i wanna do is run two nexus point 10s for re rolls, im at 2.75k io and 280 i...
its probably not the spec, its the io
ebon maple
rip
dim parrot
Bro wtf Zac
eternal socket
everyone and their mom is trying to use bonus rolls right now
keen belfry
listen to the best mumble i have ever heard https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mE5el3PCP0w7g37mk?invite=cr-MSxXM3gsNDU1MDEwMw&v=12
ebon maple
i dont get picky on 10s if a 2750 applies
dim parrot
You KIR the same jackpot twice in seat first pull
keen belfry
tell me what he said
arctic merlin
is the optimal fb build the same as before and the one in wowhead?
echo tapir
thats a forgotten language lol
cinder relic
is the optimal fb build the same as before and the one in wowhead?
Just FAQ for now
Didn't update any fatebound stuff yet
hybrid pecan
Guys what can I do to improve
vivid vessel
dont die at min 1 of the fight
uncut ginkgo
^
arctic merlin
is sanguine vial from the base rogue talents bad?
vivid vessel
terrible
hybrid pecan
is sanguine vial from the base rogue talents bad?
It's a levelling talent because levelling a rogue sucks
tight kernel
listen to the best mumble i have ever heard https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warc...
wtf did Boomhauer just say?
keen belfry
i literally couldnt even believe what i heard
soft musk
do we get the borrowed power today?
tight kernel
no you get a 8.9% aura buff
arctic hollow
Guys what can I do to improve
Rookie number, how about two ints in a row
on the same fight
safe pasture
he gon get pvp outlaw nerfed too they cooked now lol
vivid vessel
before outlaw is nerfed
wide flare
Thanks for the buff @vivid vessel , once again the franch prove they can resolve anything by complaining 😆
soft musk
thanks @vivid vessel for getting us 9% buff instead of 5%
glass mortar
the 2100 enchant?
is this seasons good?
actually dont tell me i dont wanna know
cba setting up for pvp this season
leaden sonnet
Does proccing a new unseen blade still reset the fazed stacks down to 1 instead of 2? Any NA enjoyers?
long bramble
giga inglated bracket
gaunt phoenix
Yes
fair iron
it's only 1950 i think
hardy garden
Does anyone have a talent code for old fatebound m+ we were using before trickster update?
fair iron
actually dont tell me i dont wanna know
copper radish
im getting flamed in pvp bro
1950 yet or?
coarse kraken
I'm at like 240k over 5min on 5 dummies after a couple tries, compared to like 260k last week? That feels like a big difference (trickster)
vivid vessel
1950 yet or?
1800 rn
glass mortar
Does anyone have a talent code for old fatebound m+ we were using before trickst...
faq has the new fatebound builds
fair iron
you need to turn off chat or you're gonna get banned if you're shuffling/blitzing bro
gaunt phoenix
Fatebound is in faq
You still have to get 2 ace
copper radish
is this seasons good?
There is a lot of one shot bullshit going on in shuffle
hardy garden
faq has the new fatebound builds
Forgive me, what's faq?
gaunt phoenix
copper radish
idk if i can get it before raid
You can do it just 6-0 back to back lobby’s
hardy garden
ah thank you lol
safe pasture
has anyone came out with any hidden op builds know theyworse but was wondering for fun
vivid vessel
You can do it just 6-0 back to back lobby’s
ye but im starting to not win
:(
im bad
frail veldt
ye but im starting to not win
nooba
glass mortar
!!
frail veldt
LOL
glass mortar
nooba!
gaunt phoenix
craggy barn
frail veldt
do you need coaching zac
gaunt phoenix
mommyimsorry
vivid vessel
do you need coaching zac
i mean
im quite clueless
but im not doing pvp next week
so
dim parrot
Does proccing a new unseen blade still reset the fazed stacks down to 1 instead ...
Do we play around this at all or
gaunt phoenix
I dont think so
livid kindle
so we still trixter in keys right ?
livid kindle
does FB do less ST than trixter in m+ talents?
frail veldt
also dont run imp bte
in pvp
its bugged it does nothing dead talent
PS is your hardest hitting ability
copper radish
look they are so mean to me bro
Report em fuck em
glass mortar
no!!!!
vivid vessel
yes
glass mortar
u gotta get the enchant
glass mortar
u just gunna let some nerds style on u
glass mortar
pvp nerds
vivid vessel
i lost rating im not playing more
long bramble
you do 2k alt tabbed
wind pond
any setting I can change to be able to see the floor through cloud cover
vivid vessel
ok you convinced me
long bramble
looking 2nd screen
vivid vessel
i queue again
glass mortar
!!!!
think about it zac when the glaivers in skyreach 1 tap u with a no windup no warning instant melee killer do u give up??
thorn cypress
fate now is better than tricks?
placid ocean
any setting I can change to be able to see the floor through cloud cover
Particle effects