whatever even happens
#outlaw
vivid vessel
idk bro
they should bring back cooldowns on plates lmao
or smth
i hate all these leapers in every dungeon
buoyant stratus
Slow down pal...
vivid vessel
fucking cutthroats in spire
being the cause of 90% of deaths
oh you got double leaped?
unlucky bud
go again
fathom bramble
randomly targeting leapers probably just shouldn't exist
or it should be dodgeable
buoyant stratus
Leap + banshee wail gg
fathom bramble
yeah...
vivid vessel
these mobs didnt really exist in df
but when they changed all their things
when they wanted less casts in packs
well
now there is no casts in packs
its just insta damage
leap
gg
you die
was it really that bad to have casts ..
buoyant stratus
They should make them leap, then do a very fast circle around thenselves
That does the damage
buoyant stratus
Dodgeable/react DR
vivid vessel
true
fathom bramble
yeah that
vivid vessel
that would actually be fun
buoyant stratus
Casters would complain
tropic zephyr
they should bring back cooldowns on plates lmao
this is so annoying
arctic merlin
dr?
buoyant stratus
Even tho its now
dim parrot
Gorechop was aids
buoyant stratus
But avoidable
vivid vessel
Casters would complain
or it does a circle on you before they jump
that you cant get out of
dim parrot
Tru
vivid vessel
but you know its happening so you can def
buoyant stratus
That works too
vivid vessel
and its not a cast bar !
buoyant stratus
Just something
vivid vessel
so its not cancer 10 cast bar per packs !
i think skyreach is the worse dungeon for that
hallow spoke
could also make those mobs DR with movespeed. So u have a reason to slow them or some shit
vivid vessel
i actually think there is an animation but idk if its fake
like i see chakrams flying around
but then im already dead so idk
buoyant stratus
Oh nice
buoyant stratus
So its just shadowblades that are too lazy to jump and also nuke the whole group
old bronze
axe throwers in windrunner be like "its not a caster guys :^) its not a bolt, you just cant interact with it while they ping you over and over and over"
buoyant stratus
vivid vessel
look
you can actually see it
going around the grp
doing damage
maybe you can react if you are superman !
buoyant stratus
!!!
fathom bramble
hm
dim parrot
Good
vivid vessel
deserved
glass shard
now i might be crazy
dim parrot
Nope
glass shard
but i really dont think its enough
dim parrot
Okay
dim parrot
u got me big
fathom bramble
for the last few weeks we have gotten changes(or a lack thereof) that I just can't make sense of
need infinite benefit of the doubt to come up with anything
glass shard
:gottem:
vivid vessel
ye
i still cant belive we got that tuning thing like
4 weeks ago right
where we got 4% aura
into 10% bf nerf
or whatever it was
dim parrot
Hahahah
fathom bramble
or getting no buffs at all in some of the tuning passes where we clearly needed them idk
vivid vessel
and then 3 weeks later we got buffed by like basically 20% since then
and we are still bad
how did they get the data
that they needed a 4% aura
glass shard
and we are still bad
u especially
vivid vessel
with bf nerf
vivid vessel
no..
olive bramble
This was the first week outlaw actually felt okay in terms in numbers
Gameplay wise its more ass though
fathom bramble
yeah...
olive bramble
yeah, I think the nerf is horrible and shouldn't have happened
fathom bramble
and it's not just damage we go back to being the 2nd squishiest melee
vivid vessel
at least nerf trickster enough so that we can play the fun hero talent
glass shard
at least nerf trickster enough so that we can play the fun hero talent
crazy take maybe but i really dont notice a difference anymore
recency bias i imagine
maybe ill remember the light when we respec in 9 patches
olive bramble
I think both fantasies have much to be desired lol
glass shard
i miss 4 hook charges tho..
olive bramble
I pref fatebound on raid and trickster on m+
vivid vessel
but also i wanna keep perma tricks
pure folio
@vivid vessel has ur tank found a use for the keg smash bug yet
vivid vessel
still cant believe the best rogue utility is gated against an hero talent
dim parrot
Bro can u imagine actually
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> has ur tank found a use for the keg smash bug yet
what is it
pure folio
Where u can pull a mob from anywhere as long as u can target it
molten flicker
Prot pals can also judgement things from infinite range
heavy shard
fatebound is so funny to me, flipping dobloons to increase the damage 😄 Like there are literal death knights commanding the undead in battle and here I am with my pistol flipping coins and rolling some dice to counter that 😄
dim parrot
at least nerf trickster enough so that we can play the fun hero talent
The fun hero talent = zero hero tree interaction just finish at 5* instead
Lollllll
vivid vessel
pulliong the pack after 1nd boss skyreach on 1st boss skyreach?
glass shard
idk how to explain my line
does it pass the vibe check
vivid vessel
ok exploit
heavy shard
feeling like Tom hanks in Saving private ryan where he is firing off his pistol at the tank
vivid vessel
pulling mobs from last platform skyreach on first boss skyureach?
not ok exploit
going in m0 to trigger first boss academy so that its here in m+ ?
radiant wyvern
fatebound is so funny to me, flipping dobloons to increase the damage 😄 Like th...
idk you're bending fate
vivid vessel
not ok exploit
glass shard
bullshit-o-meter
glass shard
going in m0 to trigger first boss academy so that its here in m+ ?
thats a thing ? lol
glass shard
LMFAO
pure folio
thats still in ??
glass shard
i love paying a monthly fee to log in
vivid vessel
russian team did it like last week
or smth
you just went in m0 to trigger boss and then you fight boss with first pack in m+
molten flicker
Remember running temple of sethraliss backwards with the last boss damage amp? Always a good time
dim parrot
Kek
glass shard
link
dim parrot
Good bait
glass shard
or ban
pure folio
Is the bird snap for 2nd boss still a thing in skyreach
glass shard
forever
pure folio
cuz thats what i was planning on using it for
dim parrot
Someone bait with a post from 4 years ago
dim parrot
Yeah right
olive bramble
lmao more nerfs
dim parrot
That’s 2022 post
glass shard
"we back" and its no change
elfin obsidian
trying to get used to fatebound in m+. We finish 5+ with this build, y?
glass shard
we back and its still a nerf
radiant wyvern
NOWAY
cinder relic
WE ARE SO BACK
dim parrot
Wait
pure folio
far more reasonable of a nerf
glass shard
far more reasonable of a nerf
yea man so reasonable to nerf the wors5 spec in the game
dim parrot
It’s fr
lean dust
Lmaoooo
cinder relic
ALL DOUBTERS MUST DIE
fossil lintel
wait zac, didn't you say fatebound benefitted more from aura buffs for some reason?
dim parrot
Guy
pure folio
I mean we arent the worst spec in the game but ok
fossil lintel
We all knew they may change the number but we've been posting everywhere
vivid vessel
wait zac, didn't you say fatebound benefitted more from aura buffs for some reas...
idk depends
dim parrot
Guy that okay?
fossil lintel
about it
vivid vessel
sometimes
stuck mountain
9% aura buff is better than 5%!
fossil lintel
cause no noise = no change
dim parrot
It’s cuz
buoyant stratus
saved???
floral crown
I mean I'll take 9% over 5%
glass shard
im gonna xddchat in general chat silvermoon tomorrow for 9 hrs
dim parrot
I bluff cancelled my subscription
cinder relic
WE ARE SO BACK
mighty pivot
WHO DOUBTED BTW
I did 
dim parrot
Y’all Venmo me
floral crown
spoogezilla, this was all you bro
fossil lintel
should've been 11% but sure
floral crown
I saw u call it
mighty pivot
legit first time they do that in a long time for rogue specs though
glass shard
should've been 11% but sure
11% and undo nerfs holyyy
dim parrot
Yeah that’s what I’m sayin
floral crown
should've been 11% but sure
I mean I might be a cuck for this, but I'll take it
fossil lintel
I bluff cancelled my subscription
same, my sub expired yesterday even lol
pliant wave
Zac did it!!!!!
dim parrot
same, my sub expired yesterday even lol
My brother
drifting burrow
WE ARE SAVED?!
floral crown
At least it's not all doom and gloom right
radiant wyvern
we fatebound now?
drifting burrow
does anyone have the numbers
dim parrot
Yo camel is everywhere
drifting burrow
of ST aOE
dim parrot
I bet camel hooked us up
mighty pivot
did you tweet after all though
lone surge
anyone got link the the new changes?
cinder relic
did you tweet after all though
yes
vivid vessel
CAUGHT RED HANDED
ok but i made a post and then we get buffed right after?
dim parrot
Am I kinda annoy
vivid vessel
all me no
dim parrot
It only 9%
twilit axle
Does this now randomly make Fatebound goated?
dim parrot
????¿
mighty pivot
@wintry solar = 💩
stuck mountain
this has to mean that fatebound is competitive again
vivid vessel
Does this now randomly make Fatebound goated?
no
thorny zinc
guys it kinda seems like complaining works maybe we complain more and come out ahead ?
vivid vessel
guys
wintry solar
Who told you that??
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> I apologize, you are the prophet 🙏
THIS IS WHAT DOUBTERS GET
dim parrot
Hahahaha
floral crown
THIS IS WHAT DOUBTERS GET
aura buffs? I'll take it 
fossil lintel
We saved the spec after casualaddict tried to murder it
twilit axle
start thinking with brain right now
I dont read and I dont think
That's for the big brains
mighty pivot
Who told you that??
moroes and solo, and about 5 more outlaws
dim parrot
Bro tell casual to miss me with click bait when he doesn’t even main it
wintry solar
moroes and solo, and about 5 more outlaws
They just copied moroes
mighty pivot
moroes confirmed it later on
drifting burrow
we are so back
dim parrot
Wtf
mighty pivot
you got your timeline wrong popo
dim parrot
What complaint now
mighty pivot
energy 
dim parrot
¿
wintry solar
I'll believe it when we get buffs
low glade
wait
glass shard
are we back
-2%
dim parrot
Yeah but where BF nerf
vivid vessel
this wowhead writed hates us !
patent lion
this wowhead writed hates us !
I'd thought you'd enjoy that
gray summit
WAAAAAAAKE UUUUUUUUP
low glade
this wowhead writed hates us !
i stg the wowhead writers are all lobotomized
glass shard
buffed and its a 2% nerf
dim parrot
Honestly
glass shard
i stg the wowhead writers are all lobotomized
petbattlers
fossil lintel
You posted before you saw who wrote it?
gray summit
@vivid vessel TU AS GAGNE
fossil lintel
😂
formal thunder
Did we do it? Did we actually get Blizzard to look at Rogue feedback?????
shrewd cobalt
I instantly knew to come here
wintry solar
Well slap my tits and call me Sally they did buff outlaw
dim parrot
Yeah but that’s a good title
robust topaz
Outlaw is saved again
dim parrot
I want community thinking my spec good
quartz cloud
THANK GOD
fathom bramble
this wowhead writed hates us !
don't worry Zac I got it covered with the first comment this timee
shell raft
that sht is not even a buff HUH
low glade
https://tenor.com/view/sawing-through-styrofoam-head-saw-sawing-styrofoam-head-g...
no way it was you
omg it was
shell raft
im sorry outlawbros
low glade
shell raft
glass shard
several people are typing
junior glacier
does the 9 percent buff do anything after they butchered the talent
glass shard
we are back
vivid vessel
don't worry Zac I got it covered with the first comment this timee
nice gg for snipping the first comment
low glade
i got bamboozled
vivid vessel
goated
dim parrot
“Outlaw now only 2% nerf same as Aug”
radiant wyvern
why would you call a nerf a buff
shrewd cobalt
But @patent lion they only got an extra 4% damage buff!
they're still getting a 2% nerf!
how could they do this
ashen void
did it work?!
vivid vessel
i mean its still a nerf lmao
ashen void
The posts work?!
quartz cloud
9 % Aura cannot be that bad
mighty pivot
at least they didn't nerf bf this time 
fossil mountain
still nerfed LOL
ashen void
fatebound legal?
quartz cloud
overall
vivid vessel
people are gonna hate us
glass shard
imagine how low cortisol the game is if u ignore patchnotes
vivid vessel
9 % Aura cannot be that bad
it should be like 1% nerf
real yew
so, fatebound up??
vivid vessel
maybe its an aoe buff tho
slim hare
prayge lord zac got us fatebound back
muted steppe
fatebound is barack?
patent lion
I gotta title it something
gray summit
Fatebound is back ???
vivid vessel
I gotta title it something <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
"outlaw nerf reverted to only be as much as aug nerf"
shrewd cobalt
I can't wait for the comments
quartz cloud
french joy 
glass shard
I gotta title it something <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
"outlaw prominently becoming the best spec in the game" so i get invites plz
shrewd cobalt
wowhead comments are always fun
slim hare
ty vm zac
patent lion
"outlaw nerf reverted to only be as much as aug nerf"
that'll do numbers
vivid vessel
that'll do numbers
i kjnow right
i mean you have 2 spec name in title
thats 2x the impressions
gray summit
patent lion
"outlaw compensation buff buffed after nerf"
clever wasp
I gotta title it something <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
"Outlaw keeps getting buffs."
vivid vessel
"outlaw compensation buff buffed after nerf"
fossil lintel
I gotta title it something <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
"Blizzard chickens out of punishing thiefs"
gray summit
@gaunt phoenix
ancient laurel
what's the final outcome after this newest announcement?
gray summit
I summon you
ashen void
that'll do numbers
"Reading Outlaw Forum Posts Which Lead to Buff [ASMR]"
vivid vessel
"these bitchass outlaws keeps getting buffed on cd!"
patent lion
you'll live with a lil clickbait title
floral crown
what's the final outcome after this newest announcement?
bro it's been 5 minutes, give solo time to cook
ancient laurel
Oh, fair enough.
sturdy wigeon
this is real ?
indigo token
I'd thought you'd enjoy that
fucking elitist assasination rogue
glass shard
that guy is ragebaiting right
inland acorn
this is real ?
No fake news
fossil lintel
what is that dark magic?
tulip jewel
ayyyyyy
gray summit
Whispyr do something for sin olease
shrewd cobalt
that guy is ragebaiting right
Of course!
gray summit
Zac > Every defias
elfin obsidian
so fatebound is the way to rumble?
patent lion
guys this loktark guy is being very mean in the comments of my news article do I delete the comment my ego is so fragile and delicate 
glass shard
Of course!
its effective ill tell u
leaden sonnet
W engagement bait @patent lion
quartz cloud
French finest
gray summit
So proud to be French because Zac.
slim hare
"these bitchass outlaws keeps getting buffed on cd!"
told u we need to complain more
glass shard
guys this loktark guy is being very mean in the comments of my news article do I...
u should kill him irl
bold patio
gg bois
sick prawn
does this mean i can play fatebound again
gray summit
Zac > Macron le Macaron
fossil lintel
We need to get the overrides in
quartz cloud
for sure
cinder relic
this is real ?
[/quote]
bold patio
Zac for mayor
fossil lintel
anyone had the previous override?
wintry solar
u should kill him irl
real yew
Thanks @vivid vessel
quartz cloud
THOUSAND BLESSING FOR ZAC LEGACY and all outlaxws
vivid vessel
Thanks <@352916297262301194>
np lil cuh
fathom bramble
guys this loktark guy is being very mean in the comments of my news article do I...
yes
vivid vessel
i take all credits guys
gray summit
Zac t’es le bienvenu au velodrome
dim parrot
Zac new !nerf is only nerfed as much as Aug meta spec
echo tapir
yeah make another post get them to revert the cloud cover stuff
thorny zinc
french protest buff
calling in the air strike
quartz cloud
the rogue zizou
glass shard
Zac t’es le bienvenu au velodrome
we r rogues stop casting spells
quartz cloud
we call him like this here
gray summit
Every revolution starts with french song
slim hare
zac we need a post on ace refund now
dim parrot
Bro
shell raft
duality of a man
quick oak
we could've gotten a nice 10% rounded number sounds better
rough oriole
this is real LOL
shell raft
they should change the name of this channel to outLUL
vivid vessel
i just wonder how they will do the aura buff now lol
fossil lintel
should be about a 2-2.5% nerf still
floral crown
should be about a 2-2.5% nerf still
fk it, I'll take it
fossil lintel
on st
plain portal
i'm hoping solo pops up in here and tells us fatebound is better than trickster again 
glass shard
i just wonder how they will do the aura buff now lol
some abils not affected or ?
pliant wave
The aura buff should’ve been 12%, not 5%, not 9%. #Zac post again
silk sphinx
where is the compensation nerf to BF 🤔
gray summit
we r rogues stop casting spells
I am in role play rogue u cant test it u arr not french
vivid vessel
some abils not affected or ?
no but
dim parrot
Yeh
shrewd cobalt
we could've gotten a nice 10% rounded number sounds better
But then the 4% buff man would be out of a job!
CAn't go from 5% to 10% what insanity is this!!!?!?
vivid vessel
sometimes what they do is like
vivid vessel
if i have say a 30% aura on outla already
dim parrot
If they miss it
vivid vessel
they add 9 to it
fathom bramble
gray summit
Zac Melenchon
mellow thicket
so now just at what a 1 percent loss?
dim parrot
Hahahhaha
vivid vessel
which wouldnt be a 9% buff
formal thunder
where is the compensation nerf to BF 🤔
shrewd cobalt
based
fossil lintel
Hopefully it's not that zac
clever wasp
did zac just dodge the sub lura angle on reset
vivid vessel
did zac just dodge the sub lura angle on reset <:HOLY:1250893440183570533> <:HOL...
ye
easy enough
mellow thicket
zac you should be a wow guide writter
inland acorn
ashen void
the planet is dying. The government hates us. The animals are leaving.
quartz cloud
ofc he will
ashen void
The aliens aren’t contacting us. We might be alone. It just might be you and me.
But that’s okay. Because do you really need anyone else!?
glass shard
cooome
timid idol
i was testing sin on target dummies in preparation for 5% only this reset
glass shard
break me down
timid idol
holy shit they made sin even more braindead
timid idol
this is the easiest shit ive ever seen
daring yoke
Omfgggg @vivid vessel i told guy some sort of article would worked. Ure a legend. May outlaw be a meta in s2
fossil lintel
they add 9 to it
but do note that increasing this from 5 to 9% is not a 4% over our previous number due to this exact reason
vivid vessel
but do note that increasing this from 5 to 9% is not a 4% over our previous numb...
i have no clue what this message means
fossil lintel
it's 4% of the pre-buff
timid idol
huh
real yew
i have no clue what this message means
Means we are not FKED
formal thunder
like, 105% to 109% isn't a full 4% increase
real yew
Amem
clever wasp
Marvin is using the brain gang
gray summit
In two weeks
keen cedar
i take all credits guys
You are still gonna be behind arms and feral xD
timid idol
speak english number man
gray summit
We will have 5% again
fossil lintel
so our sim is likely going up by like 3.8%
timid idol
me no know numbers
quick oak
means now you're only gonna be 60k behind the war instead of 80k
mellow thicket
timid idol
only sword
gray summit
And we still shitty
pliant wave
The aura buff should’ve been 12%, not 5%, not 9%. #Zac post again
formal thunder
since 109/105 isn't 104
vivid vessel
so our sim is likely going up by like 3.8%
i mean the worse case scenario is a +9 to our aura buff
no
wdym
shrewd cobalt
It was all @cinder relic 's doing
mellow thicket
i mean the worse case scenario is a +9 to our aura buff
vivid vessel
the 5% ?
wintry solar
Wish we could get stuff like this pinned
formal thunder
what's our current aura buff?
dim parrot
U guys talking additive or multiplicative
mellow thicket
i cant enumerate damn it
formal thunder
iirc, for BDK, they were pretty good with multiplying it
dim parrot
wahts happenign
¿
bold patio
Counting is hard
cinder relic
It was all <@96834520417828864> 's doing
My positive mental and tweet I think is what fixed it
mellow thicket
i can only count to 4
elfin obsidian
hows the auto tricks addon called for midnight?
violet osprey
wait does the 9% mean u go fatebound now again?
shrewd cobalt
My positive mental and tweet I think is what fixed it
100%!
Look at that engagement!
E:I'll do it properly
https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/2051324618443542734?s=20
dim parrot
Guy is a manifester
quartz cloud
timid idol
what do u mean additive multiplicative its the same shit as any other aura buff
fossil lintel
we're now doing 1.09 damage, compared to 1.05 before the change, we're (1.09 / 1.05) = 1.038 ahead
timid idol
instead of being 5% its 9%
abstract plover
hows the auto tricks addon called for midnight?
TankMD
rough oriole
so like this doesnt make any less squisher which sucks
mellow thicket
with the power of zac and foreverguy anything is possible, with solo driving the boat
rough oriole
:(
slim hare
My positive mental and tweet I think is what fixed it
i credit zac but thanks fr trying too much appreciated
bold patio
Solo is the mastermind behind it, the goat
vivid vessel
when is na reset
formal thunder
My positive mental and tweet I think is what fixed it
your positivity is what pissed zac off enough for him to post on the forums
gray summit
ForeverGuy just won the possibility to say he is french
daring yoke
Ure forever our guy @cinder relic
clever wasp
My positive mental and tweet I think is what fixed it
If all rogues had ur mental we would be 3 stacked in keys gg
gray summit
Bienvenue mon ami
red tendon
So outlaw saved?
mellow thicket
you guys are wold first im my heart with these buffs
rocky canopy
ARE WE SAVED
pliant wave
15 hours left
keen cedar
Tbh, we are still not gonna be invited hahahahaha
rocky canopy
SHOUTOUT FOREVERGUY
abstract plover
when is na reset
~13 hours
nova sinew
now its only a small nerf 🥰
timid idol
i was kinda excited to try sin it seems so insanely easy now lol
vivid vessel
or well
rocky canopy
leveled the arms warrior for no reason
daring yoke
So outlaw saved?
Back to being middle of the pack instead of bottom
shrewd cobalt
In before bug fixes hotfix that'll be -12% dps
vivid vessel
when is server down tho
violet osprey
WAIT WAIT
vivid vessel
cuase like
violet osprey
PLEASE TELL ME U GO FATE
vivid vessel
spell data is before server reset no
bold patio
so, is fate good again?
vivid vessel
PLEASE TELL ME U GO FATE
doesnt change antyhing
lean flax
Server down is 9am cst
twilit axle
when is na reset
Tomorrow 9am pst
fossil lintel
PLEASE TELL ME U GO FATE
still stuck with trickster
lean shadow
trickster will still be ahead
bold patio
its an aura buff
Let me dream man, don't say it
abstract plover
7am-8am pst, it's about 6pm pst right now
weary flume
its an aura buff
tricks will stil lbe 1% ahead then?
lean shadow
which is dope i like coup and cloud cover
hallow spoke
an aura buff does not buff one hero talent more than the other
is this true based on what was said about tails before?
vivid vessel
7am-8am pst, it's about 6pm pst right now
you mean am
violet osprey
oh
vivid vessel
or what
quick oak
So we need the spell data to know actual numbers?
clever wasp
an aura buff does not buff one hero talent more than the other
How much better is the aura buff for trickster?? 5% buff?
violet osprey
how much is the overall nerf then like 1%?
sweet badge
an aura buff does not buff one hero talent more than the other
Zac, you have to stay awake for 12 hours just to repeat this
cinder relic
an aura buff does not buff one hero talent more than the other
well, it might
cinder relic
But not in this instance probably
glass shard
regardless of the number
vivid vessel
an aura buff shouldnt in theory buff one spec more than the other
glass shard
they just made the worse hero talent feel worse to play
north sky
@vivid vessel I’ve been asking you for a few months now is outlaw back finally?
slim hare
true
lean flax
Trickster probably still better because of damage amps
cinder relic
Well lets say a hero talent has a talent that says "auto attacks deal 5x damage" right
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble what time is spell data compared to your reset
cinder relic
a 9% aura buff would affect that one less
slim hare
but blizzard teory and practice often contradicts
fathom bramble
I don't think fate is close enough for that particular effect to actually let it catch up
that is assuming they accidentally buff coins twice like last timeee
drifting burrow
@vivid vessel ur cute when ur this excited
tired rune
<@101843879791177728> what time is spell data compared to your reset
ty for making forum post
drifting burrow
XD
tired rune
not sure it matters but
keen cedar
We are stuck with clunky KS
tired rune
eh
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> what time is spell data compared to your reset
idk it's in like 16 hours
rocky canopy
shoutout zac for the forum post
clever wasp
a 9% aura buff would affect that one less
but 9x5 is 45 so it cancels out
vivid vessel
idk it's in like 16 hours
fair sparrow
wait so with the 9% buff
restive bluff
an aura buff shouldnt in theory buff one spec more than the other
yeah but... what if
glass shard
i think if trickster is like 3% better than fatebound in m+ im swapping back xd
fair sparrow
thats still a 2% nerf right
sudden veldt
outlaw saved praised the lord
gray summit
We dont care about nerf
fair sparrow
uh ok i guess
timid idol
r u streaming on na tomorrow zac? 
fair sparrow
still weird that they did anything to cloud cover
rocky canopy
2% nerf is small enough that we can just close our eyes and say its fake
sudden veldt
ofc i did
fair sparrow
nah
lean flax
Wise camel saved outlaw
gray summit
People will incite us
fair sparrow
im still completely confused by what brought on a change to cloud cover in the first place lmao
gray summit
Because olg 9% buff
keen cedar
People will incite us
They will not xD
timid idol
im still completely confused by what brought on a change to cloud cover in the f...
ai rework
rocky canopy
still weird that they did anything to cloud cover
nah i feel like it needed it one hero talent being super super ahead of everything else was kinda weird. i do agree though that changing it in the first place was weird
formal thunder
still weird that they did anything to cloud cover
weird that they released cloudcover i. that state in the first place
fair sparrow
people in my guild have already been posting "WTF 9% BUFF OUTLAW"
slim hare
that is assuming they accidentally buff coins twice like last timeee
9 twice is still not rngouh ?
lean flax
im still completely confused by what brought on a change to cloud cover in the f...
Tbh it was way too much power in a single talent
fair sparrow
but its still a net nerf...
slim hare
big sad
long bramble
do we have sims yet?
gray summit
people in my guild have already been posting "WTF 9% BUFF OUTLAW"
Peiple dont know about cloud cover
formal thunder
100% was designed for sub and they figured it will woek out for Outlaw
fathom bramble
9 twice is still not rngouh ?
in theory it's an extra 9% boost to 10% of our damage
gray summit
They are like
halcyon chasm
Y'all still have it wrong. There's +9% dps hidden somewhere in outlaw. Blizzard just wants us to figure it out for ourselves
tired rune
oh shit I didnt even see they increase the %
gray summit
« Oh less rainy day??? »
timid idol
so uh
vivid vessel
@fossil lintel i get what you are saying, it would actually be like a 2% buff from the thing before instead of moving the number up by 4%
right
timid idol
what was that about aura buffs not always being exactly as blue posts say
can it end up being more?
vivid vessel
like you go from 6% nerf to 4%
restive bluff
Y'all still have it wrong. There's +9% dps hidden somewhere in outlaw. Blizzard ...
what if....
slim hare
when fate is over 1% behind
ty for numbers i hope its good enoug to be played over trickster
fair sparrow
like you go from 6% nerf to 4%
wait what
whole junco
you guys staying outlaw on lura?
vivid vessel
:D
fathom bramble
can it end up being more? <:PauseChamp:695171998187257859>
yes, but it's very rarely more by any kind of meaningful amount
fair sparrow
oh because its from the lesser number
fathom bramble
and for a 9% aura buff they will find a reasonably close spot to round it anyway
fair sparrow
hm
gray summit
Solo is from
Europe or usa
dim parrot
Guys what spec has the biggest disparity in dps from zero raid buffs to full raid buffs
and what is the amount
jovial pagoda
Felt so refreshing playing law instead of 3 button assa or 2 button sub, sad times
cinder relic
a true venator stays outlaw
vivid vessel
i think that numebr is actualyl way lower than i expected, going from 5 to 9 is actually only a 2 % diff right
or im stupid
fathom bramble
no
gray summit
i think that numebr is actualyl way lower than i expected, going from 5 to 9 is ...
I share your point of view
torpid fiber
what
glass shard
Guys what spec has the biggest disparity in dps from zero raid buffs to full rai...
probably someone that does hybrid phys and magic and likes mastery
gray summit
Go reach 12% aura buff
glass shard
but idk what that wluld be
jovial pagoda
a true venator stays outlaw
I will
sudden veldt
what the final number
fathom bramble
going from 5% increase to 9% is 3.8% more
glass shard
uhdk?
dim parrot
Why would hybrid matter
torpid fiber
this is why people don't respect outlaw players
dim parrot
Their damage can’t be both
glass shard
Why would hybrid matter
monk + dh + warrior
dim parrot
It’s either phys or magic
vivid vessel
ok well anyway
dim parrot
Yes
dim parrot
Their magic damage would be 3% buff from dh
torpid lodge
Huge
glass shard
aimed shot phys dmg arcane shot magic dmg
tired rune
still trickster?
gray summit
I think
dim parrot
Yeah
gray summit
And maybe i al
Wrong
sudden veldt
all this for 2% you guys serious?
glass shard
yea so u benefit from both
gray summit
But something like 2.5% nerf in st
fathom bramble
guys it's not 2%
dim parrot
Aimed shot gets 5% arcane gets 3%
gray summit
And neutral in aie
fathom bramble
there is no way to do this math to get 2%
glass shard
r u being stupid on purpose or on accident
fathom bramble
we are gaining like 3.8% or thereabouts
mighty pivot
it's 2% fat milk
dim parrot
Orri
fathom bramble
compared to previous notees
torpid lodge
Rip cloud. Rogue finally had one cool visual ability for once
gray summit
there is no way to do this math to get 2%
6-3,8%
fair sparrow
ngl it was kinda ass
dim parrot
What % of someone damage breakdown is magic vs phys
fair sparrow
i dislike the visual
dim parrot
If it’s 50/50
slim hare
Rip cloud. Rogue finally had one cool visual ability for once
nice troll it was terrible
fair sparrow
it just makes things harder to see for me, it looks old
floral crown
the visual cluttered the ground too much for my taste
gray summit
2.2 put some magical solo is not here and baguette recette
lime socket
are u guys happy now? fill me in robber in liquidation
gray summit
2.5% nerf i think in st
dim parrot
You know what I mean orri
fathom bramble
6-3,8%
yeah if what people meant was we are losing 2% damage now instead of 6% yeah
my bad
dim parrot
Assa doesn’t get better dps cuz it benefits from both dh buff and monk buff
If it’s 50/50 phys/magic damage they’d get 4%
formal thunder
r u being stupid on purpose or on accident
he's right tho. If 50% phys damage and 50% magic damage, you get 4% overall. Wheras 100% damage gets 5% buff. So phys damage benefits more from raidbuff
near rock
blizzard my goat
dim parrot
Ty sumo
near rock
slim hare
goat for still nerfing us
hybrid pecan
lmao
gray summit
Imagine we are hapoy
hybrid pecan
it fucking worked
glass shard
zero raidbuffs to full raid buffs
gray summit
To get a 2% nerf
ebon solar
yo gang we still playing cloud cover after reset
hybrid pecan
i mean at least it's something
glass shard
is the questuon
gray summit
They are playing with our balls
slim hare
they could have tried a small buff
gray summit
And we are happy
tired rune
couldve been worse, way to be proactive guys
hybrid pecan
yo gang we still playing cloud cover after reset
not after the most recent change we aren't
gray summit
Lookliks my dog
glass shard
not some that apply and some that dont
normal hawk
Did you thank Mafic?
fair sparrow
so...
slim hare
but at least we wont be trolling playing outlaw
mighty pivot
we are all mafic
fair sparrow
what if servers go live
fair sparrow
and the crit damage is still there
vivid vessel
im so sad
formal thunder
zero raidbuffs to full raid buffs
full phys would still benefit more from monk and dh then full magic (or hybrid) would beneift from monk and dh
lean shadow
Mafic works for blizzard
oblique slate
Maficlaw
lilac jungle
ebon solar
so we switching to no scruples talent?
mighty pivot
mafic didnt even comment
how rude of him frfr
hybrid pecan
We are back to playing fb so I see this as a net win
gray summit
Will be like 3 religions, Zac The Lord, ForeEver the twittos and Mafic the Traffic
slim hare
We are back to playing fb so I see this as a net win
no
dim parrot
Hahahahah
vivid vessel
your entire spec
get aura buffed
fatebound isnt getting aura buffed by more
than trickster
gray summit
The difference still the same
timid idol
im auraing
gray summit
Between trickster and fatebound
mighty pivot
fatebound isnt getting aura buffed by more
ok but fb is closer now so peopel might play it if they like failbound
hybrid pecan
Really?
gray summit
Than befire the 5 to 9%
jovial pagoda
Aura farming
clever wasp
fatebound isnt getting aura buffed by more
So what ur saying is fatebound is now better
lean shadow
Yea fb is better now
gray summit
even i think it’s more difference now
sand berry
1+1 does indeed not equal 3 still
fair sparrow
than trickster
i mean we also have to assume they dont fuck up with the patch 
dim parrot
is the questuon
ebon solar
get aura buffed
yo mr elvis are we going to quit smoking after the changes
vivid vessel
ok but fb is closer now so peopel might play it if they like failbound
ok but it was the same before this was changed to 9% kekw
gray summit
Brcause the aura buff decrease the cloud cover nerf
hybrid pecan
Wasn't fb ahead of trickster by a significant margin pre cloud cover?
lean shadow
thats why everyone was saying 2% earlier
dim parrot
I just meant
fair sparrow
they specifically say "secondary effects, such as the damage reduction from the Smoke talent."
hybrid pecan
Now that cover is dogshit
vivid vessel
nah its outlaw for sure for sure
dim parrot
That’s what I thought
hybrid pecan
Isn't fatebound worth it again? Wow
vivid vessel
yo mr elvis are we going to quit smoking after the changes
no
mighty pivot
ok but it was the same before this was changed to 9% kekw
ye of course
clever wasp
Can our theorycrafters lie to us and say FB wins so we can have fun and live in denial please
dim parrot
Or feral but feral doesn’t benefit from skyfury as much I think
jovial pagoda
Isnt that ret?
echo tapir
fatebound is like a 1% difference overall in m+ according to the pin
vivid vessel
yes
gray summit
Can our theorycrafters lie to us and say FB wins so we can have fun and live in ...
Fatebound better
dim parrot
Ret probably up there too
lean shadow
how is fatebound fun? theres no interaction in that tree?
glass heron
so how much % is the nerf?
vivid vessel
but trickster has perma tricks
is the issue
so idk
if fatebound had perma tricks
i would swap for 1% diff
wintry solar
how is fatebound fun? theres no interaction in that tree?
Dispatch at 5cp
echo tapir
yeah ima stay trickster at that rate
vivid vessel
in a hearthbeat
formal thunder
how is fatebound fun? theres no interaction in that tree?
more energy, more cp, better builder/spender rules
jovial pagoda
Ret is like majority holy dmg and windfury works for his crusader strike
strange kelp
Wtf @vivid vessel did you save outlaw??
slim hare
finishing 5cp and better rules
tired rune
perma tricks is pretty fire ngl
harsh forge
fatebound perma tricks 😻
gray summit
Better rules ?
vivid vessel
Wtf <@352916297262301194> did you save outlaw??
i take all credit yes
gray summit
Except 5cp dispatch
lean shadow
more energy, more cp, better builder/spender rules
idk i like coup and cloud but I also liked the old KS animation
so im weird
dim parrot
Bro I can’t believe we’re back to playing fatebound
hybrid pecan
I love perma tott but dispatching at 5cp is worth 2% loss for me idc
vivid vessel
all me
dim parrot
We’re so back
gray summit
What is other better rules ?
strange kelp
i take all credit yes
Who was the guy that said your post was too late? Clearly it was all you.
gray summit
Do not ks ?
pliant wave
But it still doesn’t change the fact that we’re 2nd or 3rd even in phys comp. We’re basically cats sprinting over the second someone shakes the treat bag.
wintry solar
Do not ks ?
That's a big one that can't be understated
lean shadow
Guys remember that FB is 2% better so be sure to switch
clever wasp
Do not ks ?
ks at 1 combo point for moral support
elfin obsidian
if they'd reduce visibility on cloud id totally play trickster, but given that u cannot see shit on the gorund i go fb
quick oak
new pin tomorrow or after na reset?
gray summit
That's a big one that can't be understated
I dont know, in some foght ks 5 cp is a good way to save energy
formal thunder
What is other better rules ?
SS at 1 combo point and 3 Opp
gray summit
Yeah right
formal thunder
and yea, dispatch at 5cp doesn't gimp your damage
vivid vessel
what if they fix cloud reset ?
ye mayube i consider swpaping then
having to play around cloud is cancer
slim hare
ye mayube i consider swpaping then
good prepare to bug test that shit
1000% bugged on reset
bold patio
having to play around cloud is cancer
Don't smoke, kids
vivid vessel
1000% bugged on reset
xdd
sweet badge
30 energy cost will be back
dim parrot
5% fazed dr is nice actually
vivid vessel
but ye like idk
if perma tricks was in rogue tree
instead of trickster
it would make things way easier
shadow badge
if perma tricks was in rogue tree
this
vivid vessel
but its such a pain to play outlaw in keys without perma tricks
doesnt matter for sub or assa but
slim hare
it would make things way easier
ti,e
jovial pagoda
If outlaw is the weakest part of phys god comp who would replace him, hunter?
formal thunder
Don't smoke, kids
if Trickster took a fat drag from a cig to create cloud cover, I would never play anything else anymore
dim parrot
Yeah cuz dps is in toilet if you don’t start hitting mobs 5 seconds early
timid shoal
wait, they listened?
sudden veldt
If outlaw is the weakest part of phys god comp who would replace him, hunter?
outlaw is strongest
shadow badge
outlaw is all about uptime
bold patio
if Trickster took a fat drag from a cig to create cloud cover, I would never pla...
Would be fire man
slim hare
it would make things way easier
ti,e for the design post now i beg ace and tricks talk
sudden veldt
irreplaçable
shadow badge
so tricks should always be on
low glade
outlaw is strongest
olutlaw is not the strongest part of phys comp lmao
restive bluff
how big is the difference in dispatching at 5cp on trickster anyway?
vivid vessel
irreplacable !
dim parrot
My fav thing about playing rogue
strange kelp
True confirmed Zac carries his team
dim parrot
Is I have no toolkit to worry about supporting the group with so I just do my rotation
strange kelp
Not the other way
trail sparrow
I hear overall 1% buff, is that true
gaunt depot
Fellas the lord walks with us
glass shard
what if we bring bte stun back
buoyant stratus
irreplacable !
good job working on the inside
glass shard
but it doesnt DR in pve
vivid vessel
I hear overall 1% buff, is that true
its a 2% nerf or so still
glass shard
cinemaaaaa
vivid vessel
not a 5% like before tho
stuck patrol
I hear overall 1% buff, is that true
Probably not, numbers aren't in yet. Most likely still a 2% nerf
vivid vessel
or like 6%
ebon solar
whats the rota diff between fb and trickster? rather than sending dispatch at 5cp
vivid vessel
whatever it was in st
dim parrot
It’ll be like 2% ST nerf 1% aoe or smth
hazy siren
What on earth happened that they actually compensated a spec they do not give a fuck about lol
glass shard
it'll feel worse probably
violet osprey
ok but doesnt that mean we will have more burst in a way?
glass shard
with less uptime on smoke
slim hare
zac posted with proof
dim parrot
What on earth happened that they actually compensated a spec they do not give a ...
Probs made a mistake on initial compensation
vivid vessel
ok but doesnt that mean we will have more burst in a way?
uh
blissful gate
as much as i am a fatebound coper im living for the people being like "IS FB BETTER NOW?!" the aura buff affects both specs xD
vivid vessel
i guess ?
violet osprey
since 9% aura buff but cloud duration less
vivid vessel
xd
elfin obsidian
whats the rota diff between fb and trickster? rather than sending dispatch at 5c...
wondering, too if we send bte on 5+ instead of 6+
cinder relic
What on earth happened that they actually compensated a spec they do not give a ...
It's almost as if ppl in here are a bit dramatic
bold patio
Zac, next time you should organize some sort of strike, so we be uncapped once again
low glade
It's almost as if ppl in here are a bit dramatic
i'm watching you do battle with AI agents in twitter comments
glass shard
It's almost as if ppl in here are a bit dramatic
never seen a spec with more passion tbh
low glade
keep fighting the good fight!
violet osprey
shouldve been 12% 😔
glass shard
nothing was reverted
last sierra
u have too much faith
glass shard
trail sparrow
its a 2% nerf or so still
tyy
cinder relic
i'm watching you do battle with AI agents in twitter comments
Theres too much AI in my replies now
static crescent
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
stuck patrol
wondering, too if we send bte on 5+ instead of 6+
Always max-1 for BTE
Too hard hitting of a button to do 5 cp
slim hare
doesnt get what the outlaw treatment is usually
trail sparrow
could this be a fatebound angle now ?
glass shard
Too hard hitting of a button to do 5 cp
more combo points also means higher reset chance
pure folio
@vivid vessel do u consider the mark for death birds into 2nd boss ethical
stuck patrol
Ye
radiant wyvern
wheres moot
outer meteor
glass shard
i bte on full points only
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> do u consider the mark for death birds into 2nd boss ethic...
the thing the dh does ?
no
i was fine with what we did before tho
jumping the gate
slim hare
it was guaranteed revert was coming
just in case you are inside qgent get ace one more cp refund i beg and guarantee people will like it
vivid vessel
and getting it naty
but the clip of the dh
doing the parkour shit
i mean its ok tbf
elfin obsidian
Use finishers at 6+ CPs, but as Fatebound, Dispatch should be used at 5+ CPs. > so as fb we still wanna send BtE at 6+ even after proc?