outlaw

[elder sonnet]

well done for speaking up!

[timid idol]

easiest spec in the game i feel like is still bm over ret honestly

[river wing]

bm is easy and has no real skill ceiling
ret is easy to do damage with, being good with your utility is what makes a good ret

[timid idol]

yea true

[cinder relic]

Shadowdust was evil

And proof complexity isn't fun

U can make all 3 rogue specs more complex by removing the auto apply snd talents

[vivid vessel]

dust was the best sub iteration i ever played

:D

[timid idol]

underhanded was complexity and it was fun tho

[livid kindle]

we have assa

assa is simple af

wdym

[upbeat mesa]

hey guys can someone help me out here? did a 17 skyreach and this was my dmg break down. i keep comparing logs with other 17 skyreach outlaws and my dispatch isn't doing as much dmg as everyone else even tho the casts count is pretty close. what am i doing wring here?

[livid kindle]

low apm + easy spec

how much simpler spec do you want

[random stirrup]

untrue. there was still niche optimization stuff you could do

none of that exists anymore

there is nothing left

[timid idol]

sin is chill

i heard they reworked how you spread dots this szn?

crimson is a builder now? and it spreads ur dots?

[cinder relic]

Nah

[timid idol]

or something like that

[cinder relic]

Bro I mega auto piloted all of tww and I cranked

Sub was so chill

[gaunt phoenix]

link the log

!log and let's go here cuz yap

[livid kindle]

i quit tww mid season 1 because i hated assa and it was far ahead of outlaw back then

[random stirrup]

ye and i was rank 1 for all of lou, there was lots of niche stuff and timing related things you could do

[river wing]

idk
I actually liked TWW assa

[pure folio]

Doesn’t really make it hard, most specs have that

[river wing]

it was much more fun than the current one

yes, IC was a pain in the ass, but otherwise it was good

[livid kindle]

i hate pooling bro DS assa is gigaboring to me FB was more fun because it was abit faster but i still didnt like it much

[river wing]

yeah but TWW assa had no pooling lmao

you just slammed, and in keys you legit had inf energy on anything more than ST

[livid kindle]

it had pooling wdym

[river wing]

not in TWW

[livid kindle]

ds didnt have energy

[river wing]

there was like
a 0.5% optimization to pool in ST

[pure folio]

It had pooling in whatever tier Nerubar was iirc

[river wing]

and that's it

[livid kindle]

i mean yeah 0,5 its 0,5

[river wing]

idk
at that point you can just slam and ignore it and just get lucky with crits and BS procs lol

[fiery vector]

what are we thinking of alleria trinket? as per blood mallet it is insane but it sims less for me than the skyreach prism + gaze

[livid kindle]

especially in keys i remember on pure ST it was giga ass

[river wing]

well yeah, you didn't have Dashing in keys

but packs were v fun

I left assa once Midnight said "actually the ST part was intended, the AoE part wasn't, get fucked"

[livid kindle]

for me it wasnt tbh because you legit press same buttons in same order each pack

[keen belfry]

the fact that personal resource bar display is getting updated in .7 and not on midnight launch should also be considered malpractice, just like their details meter IMO

[cinder relic]

I was also rank 1 (private logging)

[radiant wyvern]

were gonna be going into the last titan with no updates to the details meter

[livid kindle]

it did shit ton of damage sure but it wasnt fun for me

[keen belfry]

well actualyl i was rank 1

[random stirrup]

you just cannot argue the amount of nuance lost

the cope during beta was that there are always niche optimization things found

every single possible thing was equal

it was barren

[keen belfry]

i do remember the subtely might actually hve some interesting things to play around cope

[random stirrup]

we tested a lot of interesting things that would have added some thinking

not a single one ended up being a gain

[keen belfry]

banger

[slim hare]

dust was really cool to play imo
also bit W post; we need more big figure of this community to manifest like you

[frail veldt]

people have such low standards about blizz that theyll say shit like "they fix it and youre still complaining!"

[slim hare]

common

with any decency

this is not malpractice

[keen belfry]

i still think we are genuinely in beta and all of season 1 is just testing

[slim hare]

this is killing a corpse

[frail veldt]

were paying monthly to play beta

[slim hare]

they lost the war

[frail veldt]

they lost SO HARD

they failed in like every metric

[slim hare]

lost everything about addon that made them cool

[frail veldt]

they did not hit their deadlines

[slim hare]

break them again and again

[frail veldt]

they did not deliver what they said they would

AND they didnt even accomplish their goal

[slim hare]

and they still wont admit they lost

[keen belfry]

they just took on too big of a project haha, and they own us we love wow so we stay

[frail veldt]

fail fail fail

[near rock]

yeah yeah bro my gf goes to another school I get it

[frail veldt]

how do you know there wasnt other private logs ahead of you

[radiant wyvern]

too busy churning and crunching on the next half baked update with things like "void assaults" to pay attention to the current state of the game

[slim hare]

people are quitting the game

they will notice dw

[random stirrup]

im sure a flex mythic raid + mythic warbound gear will keep them playing right

[shell fossil]

avoid making system issues better

[keen belfry]

i have hopes for s2

[shell fossil]

add more systems

nice

[keen belfry]

i think we are getting out of alpha/beta in s2 and entering prerelease for s2 (beta)

[shell fossil]

they just need like a room with a whiteboard in every corner

[keen belfry]

but outlaw will be less ass to play in s2

mor eenergy incoming

[shell fossil]

and give people time in there to yap

[trail sparrow]

good post from zac, shame it wont change anything

[shell fossil]

if you have a checklist and stuff piles up you tend to lose stuff from 3 days ago

flurry of movements and stuff lol

[random stirrup]

im having fun with the game

[keen belfry]

i am too

[shell fossil]

the void assault quest pop up makes me furious

im not doing that

[keen belfry]

but i dont think im playing a complte spec rn

[cinder relic]

Oh I mean its for sure easier but

I think its overstated how "hard" sub was in the past

Mainly, tww

[random stirrup]

keys are great with the boys, though I do miss the complexity of dungeons being a bit higher

[cinder relic]

LOLOL

[random stirrup]

pvp is actually fun for me for the first time ever

the raid kind of sucks though

i think i just need to get off rogue

[keen belfry]

i will say this is the closest ive seen pug high keys to rank 1 keys

[slim hare]

stop coping they would need to either listen or play it which we know for a fact they don't ever do

[keen belfry]

QA will play rogue before s2

[river wing]

who will play what now?

[keen belfry]

mr and mrs QA

[random stirrup]

I wasn't even saying it was hard, the stuff im talking about was like very niche slight gain stuff, mostly for variance reduction even. i wouldnt be surprised if people didnt do it and did very very well

but we dont have the option for that anymore which saddens me

[slim hare]

hi my name is QA

i do play rogue

but i dont work or talk to blizzard

you lost

[random stirrup]

I stayed on rogue despite the issues because I really liked sub in raid specifically (burst niche + gameplay) and really loved the speed and gameplay of law, neither of those things appeal to me anymore

[keen belfry]

wait ryldd

is sub back to no burst again

[slim hare]

yes

[keen belfry]

with fart cloud gone for u guys

[random stirrup]

i mean yeah kinda

[slim hare]

i mean they destroy burst

[random stirrup]

blades is a terrible cd

[slim hare]

but overall buff

[keen belfry]

so ass

see guys what even is sub rogue again

[random stirrup]

you're still locked to sectec 20s clock

so you cant move cds at all

[keen belfry]

atleast they had their niche for 2 weks

[river wing]

but frankly
as someone who does work in QA
it's borderline impossible to do two things

1. make design actually listen to you unless you have the actual gift of gab, OR an extreme experience lead on them
2. make sure things get fixed on time, like you can be reporting everything, getting shit fixed is still outta your hands 90% of the time

[random stirrup]

honestly the smoke cloud burst wasnt even cool

[river wing]

the solution for 2 is more time after feature freeze which allows for polish

the solution for 1 is "get fucked lmao"

[random stirrup]

you were just gambling on shadowstrike crits/clone spawns with 150% crit damage

[shell fossil]

i knew a guy who coded for valve cause i did some stuff back in the day..they get paid by the day..coders are spensive

[keen belfry]

i mean i genuinely think whoever tests specs hasnt played outlaw on low target cleave

[shell fossil]

real spensive
https://youtu.be/OnezbBDDD2I?si=jVxyaJhyehuCJXkV&t=14

[slim hare]

bro i dont think you wrong just any one we see here often basicallyy checks 1 and his work should only be 2

they cant even manage that

[shell fossil]

cause they can go work in other programming industries and make dollar bills

and just not associate with ppl lol

[random stirrup]

outlaw is kinda fun (more than the other 2 for sure) but its like a 4/10 compared to crackshot

[river wing]

I wouldn't really put their testing beyond just hitting dummies for half an hour with a decent combat log setup, ngl, like it's legit possible and wouldn't be surprising

[frail veldt]

Fr fr

The bar is low right now

Most specs aren't that engaging

[random stirrup]

slopping my way through 1.0s gcd 60% of the time while running out of energy

[keen belfry]

ye outlaw is like 30% of what it was but 30% of what it was is better than all current specs in wow

[random stirrup]

no more offgcds

[slim hare]

yes and no just ace refund more CP would be better than crackshot imo

[keen belfry]

im enjoying arms a little bit

i like our new ace

it just needs 5 refund

i get enough ace resets now im contnt

[random stirrup]

udk has a little bit of a game with extending dt and making it to putrefy casts that gives me a little bit of kir vibes

im having a lot of fun actually

[frail veldt]

I don't like how all the changes compounded into an insanely high variance in aoe

It feels pretty bad imo

[keen belfry]

well our rtb

is quite bad

[frail veldt]

It's a combination but yeah

[random stirrup]

ye im glad we removed the old rtb to give a worse version

cto did nothing for variance surely

[frail veldt]

Classic blizz

[keen belfry]

my bad

[random stirrup]

(this is jackpot uptime)

[slim hare]

not good enough at the game i guess

you need to gamble more

[blissful zinc]

Can they delete 3rd boss Seat from the game already

[radiant wyvern]

10 target 1 min was 50% for me

[keen belfry]

same

lok at the pitty jackpot they gave me

boss at .8%

[radiant wyvern]

6 bte resets in a row

[keen belfry]

compare it to this

[frail veldt]

its so insanely high yeah

[keen belfry]

33% jackpot uptime

[buoyant stratus]

Mogged mogged mogged

[buoyant stratus]

Yeah in just gonna keep ragebaiting

[blissful zinc]

Does the time between each bte affect how likely it is to reset?

[buoyant stratus]

No context required

[keen belfry]

u guys dont want to see the magisters i was doing double outlaw with char

gap

noah fence of course

[radiant wyvern]

key bricks cause i did 400k in this pull instead of 800k guys sry

[buoyant stratus]

Werent you losing until you died to jellyfish twice and we reset key....?

[keen belfry]

i was not

[buoyant stratus]

Hmm maybe im thinking of the messerknect 1v1d

[keen belfry]

yes

you were down like 25k

[buoyant stratus]

A brutal mogging

[slim hare]

was not dying? or was not getting gapped?

[keen belfry]

i died

so did he

we die together

[buoyant stratus]

Blade rush during the suck

[slim hare]

no honor among thieves

he should let u die alone

[buoyant stratus]

Gaming

[keen belfry]

ive stopped BRing cuz u can randomly just get out of melee

it should tp you to hit box

not center of mob

but maybe thats hard to code

[slim hare]

not hard

[radiant wyvern]

died a few times to br

[keen belfry]

i died to BR a lot on start of season

havent much since, but it happens randomly

[shell fossil]

one armed bandit fps mog

[frail veldt]

I need like an indicator

[slim hare]

maybe complicated (depends on engine) idk if its already exist or not too

[frail veldt]

idk how it even works

I will be auto attacking

then BR

and ZOOM

im like the fuck

[keen belfry]

its legit just out of melee range

[coarse kraken]

I like how some players can get straight 99s on their class and then outlaw be like

[vivid vessel]

so people keep telling me sub is dogshit in keys

how come you do the same damage as outlaw

maybe awang is washed up idk

[frail veldt]

people lie

sub players are bad at m+

[vivid vessel]

:D

[keen belfry]

he was assa

sub for last boss

[vivid vessel]

same

[keen belfry]

seat key

[frail veldt]

lol

[vivid vessel]

same

[keen belfry]

i was washed in that key no lie

[vivid vessel]

cant believe assa is better than outlaw pre nerf

or can i believe it

yes i can

[keen belfry]

im so locked in and so not locked in

[west ridge]

actually changing to sub is comfy on sear

[slim hare]

i want mafic to comment on zac post

so i can take popcorn and watch chaos that will follow x)

[unkempt dew]

Are we meta yet?

[noble sky]

YEAH

[radiant wyvern]

yeah we're getting a 5% buff

[trail sparrow]

maybe put ur post in gd aswell zac, dont think they read either ones, but worth a try

[true ivy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MKTrfB4LJPAkhmyQ?fight=40&type=damage-done&source=1783
can someone cook me a bit here? not sure exactly whats goin wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

well, you started the pull without loaded dice

so your first AR had mostly 1 buff

[true ivy]

yeah that was v smooth brain of me

[gaunt phoenix]

you keep pressing sinister strike when opportunity has priority

like at 1-2 cps

if you have 3 opp then you opp

[coarse kraken]

I'd like to see what I can improve here. Obviously not great add dam but wondering if I'm screwing anything up ST, just started raiding on this char as an alt.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j8K64WzV7ZChB91y?fight=24&type=damage-done

[true ivy]

noted

[gaunt phoenix]

think you skipped killing spree casts

it has priority over dispatch

even during adrenaline rush

You should open with slice and dice

[true ivy]

does this remain true with a supercharged cp?

[gaunt phoenix]

1 second before the pull, AR > RTB > SND (pull) > blade rush > (kir) > bte

there's not a specific rule to avoid supercharging ks but you can if you want

[gaunt phoenix]

you tend to double-cast pistol shots

[silver venture]

i cant imagine either

[south crypt]

Do it, no balls

[silver venture]

double outlaw academy

korean meta

[jovial dock]

is there an addon or a way i can just log everything i go into

[graceful rover]

So after tomorrow does rogue just get replaced in physical comp?

[keen cedar]

There is 40k people in this discord, lets say half are not active, half of that is not even active as outlaw and we have 59 likes on this post, so I want this to be atleast 200 in next half an hour....\

[fiery vector]

I mean sub is a physical spec as well as assa, you can play those 😄

[little lichen]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[daring venture]

is the next patch an overall buff or nerf ?

have 0 idea

[quaint wharf]

nerf

the details are pinned

[daring venture]

ty

[elder sonnet]

tbh we don't know fully yet

it depends on how the tuning plays out

but for now it seems to be a chunky nerf

[frail veldt]

we def know its a nerf

theres no question about that

[radiant wyvern]

sub and assa are large amounts magic dmg

[long bramble]

wdym

[frail veldt]

it is a nerf

[long bramble]

we re losing 5%+ on sim

[frail veldt]

yes

[elder sonnet]

but the nerf might not be as big as 5%

it might be less

[unique fulcrum]

huh

[slim hare]

it might be more

[long bramble]

it can only be more

ahahahhaha

[slim hare]

its probably more

[long bramble]

you can t lose less than sim

[keen cedar]

Are you an indruder sent by Devo DHs?

[long bramble]

5% on perfected played sim will prob br 6/7% on an average player

[daring venture]

but is there any reasons behind that nerf ? Like I don't feel outlaw is that much overpowered

[jovial dock]

doesnt even make sense considering its not played really, its hard to play, and we still are so behind in big aoe pulls

[long bramble]

pvp prob

[jovial dock]

like why they worried ab us bruh

[long bramble]

they reworked hero talent cause they couldn t figure out how to balance it in pvp

i m 100% sure about it

[frail veldt]

lol no

[river wing]

the fun part here is that there's a separate pvp nerf anyway

[frail veldt]

in pvp they did a big blanket aura nerf and a bte nerf

[keen cedar]

You can nerf pvp dmg only, I dont think thats the reason, but if you ask me, I have no clue why is this happening, maybe they saw in crystal ball that we will scale with gear in 3 seasons and we will be overpowered, so they want to prevent that

[long bramble]

i mean it needed both 100% it was way too overtuned

[daring venture]

Can't they just do separate base dmg on pvp and pve ?

[magic steppe]

hope it get traction 😄

[frail veldt]

nah its a 20% nerf in pvp

[river wing]

not in pve lol

[frail veldt]

its way too much

in pvp it also got overnerfed

20% is insane

[long bramble]

bro we re talking about same balancing team that buffed uhdk and ddh

do you think they have an idea about what they re doing?

[long bramble]

idk about that bro

idk if you play pvp

but rmp/d is like 1 exp ahead of any other comp rn

[frail veldt]

I do

20%

[keen cedar]

Ye, I get it, I have no clue and since there is not dev note on rogues only, I think they have no clue either

[frail veldt]

brother

heres the thing

[jovial dock]

sounds like a back to sub angle

[frail veldt]

people are too stupid to realize

[long bramble]

and the amount of setup outlaw can bring it alone is insane

[frail veldt]

the common denominator

is

MAGE

[long bramble]

and it was a fury warr in disguise

i mean i agree

[random stirrup]

frost mage is ridiculous bro

[frail veldt]

outlaw was worthless before the damage buff, it has the least control of all 3 rogue specs

[long bramble]

100% mage is completely broken

[random stirrup]

playing any melee into this

[frail veldt]

20%

is

fucking

stupid

there is no way around it

[long bramble]

but outlaw needed nerf too bro ppl were winning double outlaw one shot in opener

[vivid vessel]

even if its less, its more about the principle

how are we nerfing outlaw

[frail veldt]

im not disagreeing with that

20%

is

fucking

stupid

there is no way around it

[jovial dock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/21wNefzLw9QoCt1AeEHfaM what would you guys recc crafting next from here? neck ?

[long bramble]

i mean worthless it isnt true

[frail veldt]

at the start of the season

[long bramble]

it was good but sub was INSANE

[frail veldt]

it was

[shadow trellis]

dont craft at this point. You are losing out on crests

[frail veldt]

it got like 20% buffs

since the start of the season

now were getting reverted back to start of season levels

we will do less damage, have less control, less burst, and squishier than the other two rogue speces

worthless is a fact

[long bramble]

before trickster changes it was good bro

[frail veldt]

yeah

[long bramble]

subn was broken tho

[frail veldt]

this nerfs PAST THAT

brother

TWENTY

percent

[shell fossil]

it sucks too cause outlaw has been down bad since like season 2

[long bramble]

i m not saying it s not over nerfed bro but we re talking about a nerf to an s+++ spec

[magic steppe]

man face the fact that outlaw just the rp pirate spec they don't want us to perform

[jovial dock]

really ? i still have a champ track neck xd

[frail veldt]

20%

[long bramble]

meanwhile we were barealy a tier on pve

[magic steppe]

just go to argent dawn

[long bramble]

and we got nuked

[frail veldt]

yeah both nerfs are stupid

[compact wigeon]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[frail veldt]

blizz is just airballing

this whole xpac

failed UI overhaul

failed balance

[long bramble]

balancing is a clown fiesta bro

[frail veldt]

housing still cant save fucking layouts

[long bramble]

this season is fr ridicolous

[shadow trellis]

you should be able to get that neck and bunch of other outlaw gear using voidcore tokens in Pit of Saron

[long bramble]

tank balancing is shameful

too

[frail veldt]

the dev team is just underdelivering in every metric

[shadow trellis]

every craft is -20 myth crests

idk how much is that relevant to you

[jovial dock]

i tried, got trolled xd

[shell fossil]

i mean as a casual hardcore player

it's working good enough but

they're kind of phoning it in delivering this much casual content this late into the season

catch up gear that gets replaced by hero gear from keys this late

is dumb

[shadow trellis]

its like a week 6 no?

its perfectly on time

tbh

[long bramble]

i think it s fine tbh

[shell fossil]

week 8 on tuesday

[long bramble]

meta is defined now after today balancing

[shell fossil]

seasons last 20-22 weeks from google

[long bramble]

releasing catch up mechs now

[shell fossil]

it's getting late

[quiet ore]

When you look at the 12.0.5 content and go "yep, catch up gear. Standard 0.5 patch."

[long bramble]

nah bro wtf

[long barn]

Has anyone tried pushing TomElvis post on the new Blizzard discord?

https://us.support.blizzard.com/en/help/breaking/7302ab54-cef3-4dd9-b7f6-6ba949f1ae7a

[long bramble]

5 months season

i dont think so

[quiet ore]

Shadowlands season 2 forever

[shadow trellis]

i gave it a like!

[shell fossil]

but we already have catch up gear with preys and delves

did we really need another system

[shadow trellis]

its fiiine lol

[long bramble]

they re giving myth track catch up bro

[quiet ore]

The new system is uncapped, like m+ - those still have weekly limits

[long bramble]

and why are we complaining about free gear here?

wtf

i m not here to play tbc

[cinder relic]

whats the issue with more catchup systems?

Make it easier to make alts late into the season

[shell fossil]

we have voidcores, delves, prey, lfr, and now voidcore assaults

if the issue is leveling alts

[long bramble]

did you just mention lfr?

[shell fossil]

yeah lfr's great

[cinder relic]

I dont understand the issue

[long bramble]

bro we are 8 weeks into the season

try toi pug a key with a 250 alt

[cinder relic]

Ppl complain all the time about gearing up alts late into the season sucks

[long bramble]

with lfr gear

[cinder relic]

U still have to do a million keys for crests

[long bramble]

lmk how many ppl invites you

[timid idol]

no new pinned

its over

[buoyant stratus]

I called it ragebait for a reason hehe. Was just a cheeky sub swap for last boss

[rugged wigeon]

what's that with the damn nerf? i just recrafted all my shit after switching to outlaw on wednesday lmao

[long bramble]

gg bro level a new rogue

[shell fossil]

it just seems like of commitment for a team to put together for gearing alts

they got rid of valorstones

and they can definitely do more consolidation

[long bramble]

bro i dont really understand what are you complaining about

[livid kindle]

people while blizzards balancing indeed doesnt make any sense stay constructive when replying on zacs post please dont just dump on them it wont help

[shell fossil]

as someone who did that argent crusade thing to try and get the cantrip mace

[cinder relic]

Theres is so much to ocmplain about in wow and its valid

[shell fossil]

im just like why y'know

[outer meteor]

guys when are they uncapping myth crests

[cinder relic]

Idk why sometimes we just like, make up issues to be upset about

[shadow trellis]

THIS^

[outer meteor]

i dont wanna have 5 myth pieces that i cant upgrade

[shell fossil]

you can buy gear from the panda lady still right?

[cinder relic]

What panda lady

[shell fossil]

the timewalking/m+ panda

random piece of champ gear or is that gone

[cinder relic]

champ gear is ass cmon

[vivid vessel]

same with assa tho

like

[shell fossil]

that's what im saying

[vivid vessel]

i wish we had assa one tricks

doing high keys aswell

so people would shut the fuck up

[cinder relic]

???

[buoyant stratus]

Zerocools doin his thing xd

[gilded tinsel]

Casual still plays sin yea?

[buoyant stratus]

The NA phys guys wanna play with me but my schedule is cringe so i cant commit

[livid kindle]

i think casual played outlaw recently

[buoyant stratus]

Also assa 2 min and feral 2 min kindof annoying

[strange kelp]

Idk about one trick but there were a few weren't there? I thought there were like 1-2 assa pushing

I may be thinking pre 12.0.5

[timid idol]

coolx

anlaki

[hardy thicket]

came in to support zac was met by

wth

[shadow trellis]

think they both went law after the 0.5

at least wowtoxic

[vivid vessel]

eh

[buoyant stratus]

I think playing assa and arms is also cringe and slows down keys

[vivid vessel]

not like we have outlaws

appart from zerocool

but idk

[outer meteor]

well that was a fun boss

[buoyant stratus]

So its kindof annoying

[outer meteor]

125k single target

xdd

[vivid vessel]

he plays dk

[strange kelp]

Yeah I think I was thinking woxtoxic

[buoyant stratus]

Like u cannibalize eachothers funnel and arms funnel is just built diff

[vivid vessel]

wox is also an outlaw one trick

[random stirrup]

not with myth achievement!

[strange kelp]

Yeah he was playing assa before the change, I just got timeline mixed up

[random stirrup]

it's really not that bad at all with myth achievement

[buoyant stratus]

He'll get that in a couple months

[vivid vessel]

he went on an arc

[random stirrup]

true and real

[vivid vessel]

for half a tier

ye

but he is an outlaw one trick like me

since forever

[buoyant stratus]

Cant wait for the forever guy cloak vault!

[strange kelp]

I know he was upset about midnight rework

[timid idol]

what time is it in na now

when does na end their work shift

to know when its truly over for this reset

[buoyant stratus]

Ye wox doesnt like this version of outlaw very much

[random stirrup]

na doesnt reset until tomorrow

[buoyant stratus]

Dont blame him either

[timid idol]

ye that means today is the last day

for changes

[strange kelp]

Chad crackshot enjoyer

[timid idol]

no?

[random stirrup]

oh

[timid idol]

or can they do anything tomorrow?

[random stirrup]

ye its cooked bro

[shadow trellis]

its locked in

[buoyant stratus]

Its uh not happening

[outer meteor]

last day of glory

[buoyant stratus]

Check back in 2 weeks

[outer meteor]

o7

[long bramble]

i mean bro it s 12 pm where they have the offices

[buoyant stratus]

And then in 5 weeks with sporefall patch

[long bramble]

they can if they wantr

[random stirrup]

nah they are gonna hold tuning until .7

if they even do tuning then

which i doubt

[timid idol]

theres still plenty of time

[long bramble]

i think this will be it for this season tbh

[buoyant stratus]

Theyll do another pass between

[long bramble]

but

[buoyant stratus]

It is written

[long bramble]

maybe

[buoyant stratus]

In the ancient texts

[random stirrup]

yes, buffs to the bottom 5 on heroic 50th percentile

and then they call it a season

[buoyant stratus]

More sub buffs!

Smile

[random stirrup]

mdi starts soon

they wont nerf meta key specs during mdi

is why we got these nerfs now

[shell fossil]

i mean normal could start dropping 6/6 champ gear

[golden bramble]

!log

[shell fossil]

all my tier gear except chest is still hero despite having myth puz box/myth gaze it's going pretty good

but you know haven't done a void assault yet so ye

[haughty wigeon]

zac made a post

i cant wait to see it derailed by mafic

[young prism]

that should be shared in assas and sub channels as well imo

[glacial echo]

This where I ask for Outlaw help? lol

[sand berry]

no you ask jesus

[glacial echo]

He gave us 1-button assist. I need help beyond that

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

me help

[glacial echo]

Have 4 set and 270 ilv, but struggling with dps. Following the same rotation I see everywhere best I can. But, 1-button assist will do more damage, even without 6cpts BtE. Crit886/Haste820/Mast656

[dull ginkgo]

@gaunt phoenix help us

[gaunt phoenix]

You should record an M+ with warcraftlogs then we can see what's happening

it's hard to just immediately guess

[rough oriole]

have you considered hitting your buttons faster

[lean flax]

am I reading patch notes right also in that cloud cover got nerfed MORE for outlaw since it only stacks up to 2 instead of three only for outlaw come patch

or is that a formatting thing

[gaunt phoenix]

formatting

[glacial echo]

Faster I hit them, the more I mess up rotation 🤦‍♂️

[rough oriole]

Hmmmm

Fair enough

[craggy barn]

link zac post i wanna see it

[glacial echo]

Never manually recorded with warcraft logs. I'll go figure tht out lol

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is just a constant priority list

[glacial echo]

Yeah if I try to go too fast I just start beating the GCD, and it's just facerolling at that point lmao

[river wing]

practice needed, ngl
like legit, in a month you'll be good

[gaunt phoenix]

at the very base level the biggest mistake is not maintaing blade flurry in aoe, as without it you dont aoe at all

so you need a ui that tracks it

[glacial echo]

My dps ST is 40k

[rough oriole]

Haha thats fair, you’ll get used to it tho, the tempo of hitting buttons that comes with repetition

[pure folio]

logging a run of something will give u much better feedback

go hit the dummies or something for like 5 mins

[glacial echo]

Yeah Devourer is very simple rotation, and paladin is a faceroll class. Started my rogue and was like, maybe my brain don't got the req cpu lol

[rough oriole]

It’s just a lot micro decisions following a priority list rather than a standard hit this button then this one then this etc

[gaunt phoenix]

you can read my #outlaw-faq

outlaw is not a cooldown spec you are just constantly doing your thing

building and finishing, then a set of cooldowns that you watch

[glacial echo]

Got wclogs downloading. Gonna go find me a dungeon

[pure folio]

u can log training dummies too

ifu want feedback asap

[glacial echo]

Gonna do that now. Thanks

[buoyant cosmos]

It's nice since we don't have to constantly vanish anymore

[sudden veldt]

game will loose all it taste if they start granting every crybaby's request imo

[buoyant cosmos]

logging used to be wacky with always dropping combat like that

[sudden veldt]

thats why i dont like to complain

its better when the tuning feels rng rather than influenced

helps keeping it neutral and professional

[shadow trellis]

^

[river wing]

professional

[shadow trellis]

neutral and profesional

[river wing]

like I get your point

but, well, damn.

[lean flax]

if nobody complained and gave feedback the game would be much worse

thats literally the point

its not "complaining"

its feedback on braindead decisions

[pure folio]

You know the balancing team is out of touch right? And games require player feedback to have a healthy game environment

[sudden veldt]

feedback on design sure

but not on tuning

[shadow trellis]

why not?

[lean flax]

why not tuning

devs miss things literally all the time

tuning included

[sudden veldt]

because everyone want to do top damage

[rough oriole]

Oh great we have a guy with a different opinion then everyone else

[pure folio]

We are not top damage

[onyx pelican]

This is certainly an opinion of all time, I too love it when buffs and nerfs are at random with no persective to whats going on in the meta

[rough oriole]

[shadow trellis]

we are nowhere near top damage

[pure folio]

If u didnt read it, you completely missed the point of the post

The complain wasnt about not being top damage

we suffer major design flaws on top of tuning

[young prism]

It has nothing to do with it lol you are in outlaw channel. People playoutlaw because they love it

[pure folio]

its literally an issue of both

[lean flax]

coming to the outlaw channel and saying we're complaining about not doing top damage is

certainly an opinion

[floral crown]

I dont even want outlaw to be a top 3 spec, I just want it to be viable enough, im fine if its not an acceptable spec at the top 0.1%

[shadow trellis]

if i cared about top damage i would have went dk/dev

[rough oriole]

Also it’s not about too damage it’s finally having somewhat decent dmg compared to everyone else and then getting knocked down 3. Pegs a week later

[sudden veldt]

my point is dont try to force them into decisions regarding tuning

[shadow trellis]

i just dont want outlaw to be in such a poor state

[floral crown]

I think we can all agree that the nerfs were unwarranted

[young prism]

dude we abondon that ship after BfA

[floral crown]

and most sensible people would

[sudden veldt]

cuz if you succeed the game loose all it purpuse

[shadow trellis]

no one is forcing anybody brother

we are trying to give basic feedback

[lean flax]

every time this guy vomits his awful opinions it starts this shit

[sudden veldt]

they give you a hand you want the arm and so on

[gleaming reef]

Where realz?

[gaunt phoenix]

trust me i've seen plenty of "wahh nerfs" over the years and i'm the last person to actually give a shit

i do think sub getting correctly compensated for cloud cover while we weren't is a mistake

[sudden veldt]

just let it happen

[lean flax]

slippery slope ahh arguement

[timber knoll]

!log

[sudden veldt]

time will come when it comes

[shadow trellis]

its happening^^

[sudden veldt]

and it will be 10 times better

[gaunt phoenix]

thank you wise camel

[sudden veldt]

let them do their job

[craggy barn]

have faith guys

trust in the almighty blizzard and u will be blessed with power!

[trail sparrow]

nerf cloud and compensate us so we're even like before. not that hard. talent has less impact dmg stays the same, everyone happy

[young prism]

@sudden veldt if you throw away the cap on your head and look objectively, you'll see that this class (all specs) is not being played at all. There are just a small fraction of people who plays rogue because they want to play the game in this way. When it comes to outlaw it just got a buff 2 weeks ago and it is basically revereted back. It is not topping anything, but at least it had a chance to get invited. Now, with what data they are nerfing it back. And you basically claim, don't complain accept it at is. We are not complaning , even complaining is fine , we are just after the answer to the question "Why?" if that makes sense for you

[fervent garden]

one day at a time. with great power comes great responsibility. don't stand in the fire.

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not blizzard's first rodeo with people complaining about tuning

[craggy barn]

what makes outlaw an outlier to be nerfed

[shadow trellis]

Camel said so

[craggy barn]

could very well just be bad numbers tuning

[trail sparrow]

st is pretty high in keys atleast, but thats about it

[lean flax]

this is the real answer, is a lot of tuning comes without any justification whatsoever in the patch notes

it really bugs me

like some is self explanatory

and others (like outlaw) comes with no explanation

like at least explain the reasoning

[young prism]

well it makes me pop KS in the middle of blizz HQ

fortunately it is on cooldown

[onyx pelican]

I just dream of a day where bladeflurry will be uncapped again...

[lean flax]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-cope-seethe-mald-jarvis-cope-gif-24471463

[young prism]

I literally smiled to that

[dim parrot]

I actually don’t mind targ cap right now

If tuning is fine

and abilities like BR exist with good tuning

[sudden veldt]

worst feeling is when you know blizzard has favourites

i dont want that to exist ever

people been saying for years mage was blizz favourite child

[dim parrot]

Rogue such a good hero archetype

[sudden veldt]

and that killed the game

[dim parrot]

In Diablo blizzz likes route

[trail sparrow]

compare rogue to ret

[shadow trellis]

killed the game?

[dim parrot]

Rogue

[trail sparrow]

playerbase is like 20x larger

ofc the want to make more ppl happy

[sudden veldt]

exacly

playerbase beeing larger mean they lisrzn harder

and thats bad

[dim parrot]

Btw

Everyone bluff cancel their sub today

Do it

Pu$$y if not

[arctic hollow]

Sorry cant cancel my sub just got the dopamine

[trail sparrow]

not the 20 outlaw subs

[young prism]

I'm sorry but that is nonsense. Current player base will pick which ever is the best. Make rogue imba, and bam in two weeks everyone who plays dk/evoker/dh will come to rogue.

[fierce mulch]

it was the awc, double outlaw domination

[dim parrot]

Kek

[trail sparrow]

how will the survive

[young prism]

Your argument is not valid in my opinion

[sudden veldt]

ret is beeing bullied for closing their discord and that is deserved

[timber knoll]

if anyone has a moment and can look over my log I would appreciate it, I am bad tryna get good

[long bramble]

so real

[sudden veldt]

showing how bad it is for the community to complain hard

[lean flax]

outside of literal degenerates, no one is begging blizzard to tune their class so its the best. people just want to gap to be smaller than it currently is between the best and worst

which is why its strange when blizzard nerfs the middle

that doesnt tighten the tuning

[shadow trellis]

No one is bullying anybody

[lean flax]

it makes it worse

[shadow trellis]

dude

[trail sparrow]

dont say that rheiad, I saw a dh yesterday complaining about the nerfs

since its the new spec it has to be meta he said

[shadow trellis]

we just want to give feedback

[lean flax]

degenerates, all of them

[sudden veldt]

y that very dumb, imagine if they listened to him?

cuz people like his comment

[trail sparrow]

Im pretty sure they do listen to them sadly

[river wing]

like...when
like when
legit when
I've spent all of TWW hoping
I am still here but it hasn't happened
do we get like
one season in five years maybe?

[dim parrot]

Wtf u saying

Bringing to light something that blizzard missed is good feedback

[trail sparrow]

dont forget dh is like 10% ahead of everything, they will be hard meta even after the nerfs

[dim parrot]

“Hey I think this thing in ur game is unintended”

[sudden veldt]

and thats the problem

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think zac post is going to lead into 28% buffs and uncapped blade flurry, and outlaw reigns supreme like season 2 bfa

[sudden veldt]

game is corrupted

[lean flax]

no but solo wise camel said it will

[craggy barn]

where is this zac post!

[river wing]

pins

[shadow trellis]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-upcoming-tuning/2302295

[young prism]

how about we form an in game raid and kill all demon hunters we can?

[lean flax]

if we just complain enough outlaw rogue will dominate the raid and mythic+

[sudden veldt]

thats chaos like i said

[lean flax]

according to wise camel

[sudden veldt]

anarchy is no good

[livid kindle]

is this guy ragebating or what ?

[young prism]

why you keep forgeting you are in a outlaw chjannel?

are you a class developer in blizzard?

[lean flax]

i think he's just this dumb

[young prism]

so yes he is a class developler then

[fossil lintel]

Even if all 8 of us complain

i don't think a lot is changing

[lean flax]

yeh ik

thats camel logic for you tho

[shadow trellis]

complaining = basic feedback btw

[lean flax]

I'm just gonna keep upvoting every post in zac thread

and pray someone at blizzard sees it

that can do something

and will

because this shit ain't it

[young prism]

wait camel is typing

[dim parrot]

He cookin something up

[lean flax]

what wisdom do you have for us wise camel

[rotund depot]

waiting for the classic Mafic derail

clearly this is another blizzard W for rogues

[floral crown]

Hoooooold

[dim parrot]

Camel is blizz AI data miner for outlaw discord

[craggy barn]

is mafic on the eu forums?

[rotund depot]

not yet

huehue

[river wing]

fortunately not

[craggy barn]

lol

[river wing]

I'd probably get banned from eu forums if I had the opportunity to tell Mafic what I think of him

[sudden veldt]

i have nothing else to say exept that i wish they stop communicating with the playerbase

and making blue posts

[peak dock]

We are not 8 dude, maybe not 10 but 9 for sure

[lean flax]

holy christ

[young prism]

for the love of god please someone remove this guy from discord entirely 😄

[river wing]

p sure that would lead to another SL in the end

[vague cape]

mafic is a legend xd

[rotund depot]

imagine if they communicated anything meaningful besides just % buffs/nerfs

like they do for some specs

[shadow trellis]

L take

[long bramble]

AAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[lean flax]

"nothing else to say" except the most loser take of the entire day

[rotund depot]

homeboy must not have been here when the rogue dev would have conversations

would have malded off the face of the earth

[shell fossil]

yeah the worst thing you can do is faff off with people's time if you're doing entertainment

[lean flax]

he wants to sit in the cuck chair and watch rogue go into even further shit

[haughty wigeon]

yall feeding a obvious troll

probably mafic in disguise

[young prism]

who is mafic btw?

[long bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-why-she's-the-goat-the-goat-she's-the-goat-she-he's-the-goat-gif-10589731209361127711

[shadow trellis]

Im just finding out about this guy

[haughty wigeon]

a forum dude who constantly derails conversations with misinfo to push a personal narrative

been active for years, has a ego despite only doing entry level pvp

and nothing else

[river wing]

guy legit only does random BGs and WQs (and apparently world pvp lmao whatever)
and thinks he's an expert on Rogue

[young prism]

ah I okey now I remember

[young prism]

lol never checked the owner of thread

[sudden veldt]

see how you become mad for no reason

thats because blizz is messing with you

[young prism]

dude we are not mad we are just sorry for you 😄

[shell fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356535801512722455/1499393135799832687/delightful.jpg?ex=69f93f6c&is=69f7edec&hm=2911ac7f809512f11754fba2ca1d9cd45d708f469ec443fe241044d4971b5085&

[rotund depot]

omg what a fuckin banger

from today no less

[sudden veldt]

appreciate you worrying about me but im 100% fine

[young prism]

nah not sure you are

[craggy barn]

i wonder if other classes have a forum guy like mafic

[shell fossil]

bro they're gonna turn on slow mode

just leave it

[rotund depot]

I wish saifu would come back

[craggy barn]

solo when was the last time we had slow mode

[young prism]

coupe bug

[floral crown]

every class has one of those at least I think

[young prism]

the last I remember

[haughty wigeon]

ya theres one for every class

[floral crown]

isnt this just basically cucking

but for WoW

he enjoys seeing his class get railed

[haughty wigeon]

last one

[gaunt phoenix]

True

[sudden veldt]

sorry if i upset any of you had no intent to do so

[haughty wigeon]

i just got here, so its fine

[slim hare]

what if ? its just a kid from 15 years ago who got violated by some rogue in world pvp and now just enjooy seeing us bad?

[river wing]

that's a long-standing theory, yes

[lean flax]

Imagine doing anything like this for years

I can almost respect the dedication

the craft

[summer nimbus]

Is mafic the uncle ruckus of rogues

[deep sequoia]

real

[river wing]

"Praise Ret God"?

[dim parrot]

Guys where next blue post about outlaw nerf reverts

Soon hopefully

[river wing]

hmmm
I'd say at least in four business days or so

99% certain that at least this week is still nerf week

[timid idol]

guys

why is there no new pin

[elder sonnet]

everybody bump and comment on zac's post

as much as we can

[timid idol]

about the updated changes

[shell fossil]

i mean its litweally an aura buff

to fix this

[timid idol]

huh?

tf am i looking at

what is sporefall

[shell fossil]

uhh..did you do any of the one boss raids in wrath

[long bramble]

1 boss myth gear warbound

[shell fossil]

or uh cata like vault of archevon/tol barad raid

it's that

just a cutesy thing

[timid idol]

wait so

we're getting another dreamrift?

essentially?

[shell fossil]

mhm

[timid idol]

wow so cool!

[shell fossil]

idk if anyone's ptr'd it

[timid idol]

new content! just in time for outlaw nerfs!

[river wing]

it's not out for another 6 weeks at the minimum

[timid idol]

OOOHHH next thursday is the ptr

my mistake

i read that wrong im stupid

[river wing]

we can have a whole thrilling rollercoaster of buffs and nerfs in the meantime

[shell fossil]

i mean the warcraft logs for outlaw were literally flashing reroll in font 18

[timid idol]

insane cope

[shell fossil]

that wasn't gonna stay

[timid idol]

reminder that this cloud cover shebang was a mistake

and the devs never intended it to be this impactful of a rework

but yea ig doomposting aside they will prob look at rogue overall again

[river wing]

huh?

[shell fossil]

last i saw they were up on assa and sub on a lot of fights in top 100-200 range

[timid idol]

im not too familiar with how wow patches work even tho ive played for a while now

does blizz do hotfixes?

like non reset patches

or are changes always on wednesday

[shell fossil]

myth crown for example

[haughty wigeon]

well obviously

but outlaw is so full of design flaws

[timid idol]

it is but wcyd

[haughty wigeon]

that all we can hope is for shit like this to be overtuned

[stone cradle]

for bug fixes and stuff usually yes, balance changes or nerfs to bosses are usually saved for reset unless something is drastically wrong

[haughty wigeon]

or else outlaw does 0 damage and has 0 good design flex

[river wing]

wait for fixes
(13.0? maybe, who knows)

[haughty wigeon]

you look at me in the eyes

and tell me prep is good design

[timid idol]

was unholy hotfixed on reset or another day when it was super super bugged and bad?

maybe we have a chance

[river wing]

UDK is favored

[timid idol]

yea true but

i can hope

ts is so fucking lame man

at least frost is cool

i even played a bit when it was op

uhdk unironically one of the most unfun specs in the game

[shell fossil]

if you think about it none of the fights have downtime that matters

so giving free damage with cloud cover probably spooked people cause s tier df spec tee hee

[timid idol]

prep works with restless

fast action anti synergy and 10 seconds off

ez dps

maybe give killing spree some actual numbers as well

💀

[shell fossil]

or just make it prio damage

and actually target what you're targeting

noodle ass cd

idk why it turned into a gameplay overhaul it could have been purely visual

[timid idol]

i like the new animation

but yea they could have just made the jumps cosmetic only

instead of actually teleporting you

[haughty wigeon]

theres like a whole list of easy fixes

[shell fossil]

same they even put out pistol glyphs for it

i have like 3 cause i didn't know which one i wanted

[haughty wigeon]

again

prep is 2 charges on things instead of a button

ks does prio damage

adr increases damage based on haste % to make us want to get haste

instead of being a 5 second cdr on bte, fast action can make bte ignore armor

vanish back on restless blades

ect ect

like

so many small tweeks

[glass shard]

alternatively

change nothing

20% aura buff

go fast

[shell fossil]

yeah aura buff so it's not randomly crumping people with 4 jackpot rolls on warcraft logs and call it a day

outlaw dun care about no mechanics jail if there's something to hit lol

[gusty dew]

Fuck blz

[shell fossil]

what did he say

[bright lodge]

This is the only reason we killed Vanguard today for the first time and I only parsed 93

[shell fossil]

the spooky part is the gap in dps between the first outlaw and the second outlaw on some of these logs and its just variance question mark?_?

[glacial echo]

Figured out how to log on the dummy. Tunneled at my buttons to try and get rotation down much as possible. Feel it would be 30k dps less with fight mechanics lmfao

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DKALZa1WYykFnQr2?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1

[shell fossil]

it takes some practice sin is the same way(bouta pass out lol whoops)

after a while you get used to the movement and how to not overrun the gcd or hit the wrong button

[glacial echo]

Subt felt like it carried me through delves. Was doing 50k dps with green rings in raids lol

[glass shard]

can some1 q normal dungeons with me on my priest

this shit takes forever

[keen belfry]

crazy outlaw channel request lil bud

[hybrid pecan]

Cook those frauds

[glass shard]

leveling is making me want to unsub

[halcyon chasm]

Okay. Who's bringing up the rear here.

[hybrid pecan]

You know what

[normal quail]

has anyone done the maths yet if trickster getting nerfed but we getting flat buff. can we go back to fate?

[hybrid pecan]

We should take a page from the Azir subreddit

They came up with the "yellow build" to tank Azir winrate and make riot buff it

Just do dogshit DPS and blizzard will buff us

[glass shard]

waht if we click every talent in the firsrt half of the tree

nothing on top

[radiant wyvern]

probably doesnt change much because our captsones suck

[dim parrot]

I can’t see anything in this

[dim parrot]

Idk why people don’t look at pins

[halcyon chasm]

It's a crop emphasizing outlaw owning the lowest parse.

[dim parrot]

Oooo that’s what that bar means i c

[normal quail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme--k01KQTCFJYPBV5GGW0A2XK3X1WJ

[hybrid pecan]

When people ask you why you are doing healer DPS you just say "outlaw is just that bad, spread the word"

[glass shard]

"arms getting buffed btw"

i already complain

every pull

[hybrid pecan]

It's better than shutting down the discord for sure

[glass shard]

every group

im capped and im getting nerfed

[quiet ore]

I hope this is their build

[glass shard]

but im topdmg most keys

so it has no merit

i was gapping a feral and an arms warrior in an 18 mt by like 40k each

[floral crown]

I mean, thats just cause u're better tho

a proper devourer will 100% cases outclass you

and it wont even be close

[glass shard]

that class is like aug

they're all so insanely bosoted

[dim parrot]

Arms need good pulls to top

With good tanking u won’t sniff them

[glass shard]

outlaw u notoriously dont

[floral crown]

What I love most about outlaw is our damage profile, it's really nice going into whatever pull knowing you're not going to be a wet noodle

[glass shard]

:clueless:

[floral crown]

on my uhdk if pulls are awkward, I could be dropping 600k into 100k

[dim parrot]

Outlaw my fav spec cuz idc what the tank does

[floral crown]

ye exactly

no matter what kinda pull he does, you're gonna do fine

[glass shard]

outlaw is pug superstar spec

real

[sudden veldt]

outlaw good

despite bot doing the highest overall im pretty sure zac is the one contributing the most to the key completion and speed

[floral crown]

so is the estimate that our dmg will be (0.94 * current single target) + (0.96 * current aoe dmg) after patch? or is it not that simple

[vivid vessel]

its that simple ye

[paper finch]

At this point, I feel like they should just outlaw, Outlaw.

[glass shard]

mods .

[floral crown]

they were very self aware when they named the spec

that's for sure

[paper finch]

so you're saying since Zac is too good at Outlaw we got nerfed 😛

[floral crown]

I'm surprised ST is getting a bigger hit because I feel like AoE is my primary strength

[sudden veldt]

no

i just said outlaw is good

and very efficient

[opal badger]

i think i fixed my issues

[paper finch]

I know, I'm kidding. There's just not enough data for them to even make these changes seeing as this spec is one of the least played.

[opal badger]

i pulled 123k dps overall on m+ as 264

[floral crown]

I mean based on our damage profile I dont think you're entirely off the base, I think outlaw might be useful to gap some packs where other classes dont wanna spend cd's
... but that can be solved with better pull planning I guess

[sudden veldt]

st is really important this season

[floral crown]

but then I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell if other specs serve a similar function

[sudden veldt]

and outlaw has plenty of it

[floral crown]

Dont feel like my ST was a strength, but that could be a skill issue. On bosses like emberhawk I had like 80k-85k

[sudden veldt]

i wouldnt trade my profile for arm's one tbh