#outlaw

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craggy barn
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cursed af

trail sparrow
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I always like niche specs pumping, kept the fotm rerollers away a lil

peak dock
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I mean when i saw the 2 delves weapon in prepatch i was very excited like this is gonna be our season

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But they r shit

gaunt depot
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yo you think if we shut it down we get the nerfs reverted ret pally style

trail sparrow
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I crafted a wep 1 day before patch so I probably summoned the patch

peak dock
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Then it happened again with trickster buff and then the nerfs

light mural
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Hey
Quick question: I play with relatively high ping (150ish stable) and for some reasons outlaw feels off. I’m casting spender over builder even tho I pressed builder, I double cast builder and stuff like that. Is there a way to mitigate the issue that doesn’t involve moving to a place with lower ping ?

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I mainly play healer/caster so I don’t feel it as much

gaunt phoenix
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u can try changing your spell queue setting

light mural
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It’s at 400 for now I guess I’ll try 200

trail sparrow
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180-200 with ur ms

echo tapir
light mural
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Ok I’ll try later today thanks

candid abyss
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personally, i loved waiting for the shaman thanks blizzard

keen belfry
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gj chingu

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we blast

candid abyss
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ty was fun actually playing actual phys comp for once

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usually have a devour and a random 3rd dps

frail veldt
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agreeeeeeed

long bramble
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idk bro ppl shit talk my spec then i have to see this fotm reroller having my same io and playing so bad

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i think i m gonna have a mental breakdown soon if someone else bring up my spec again

unkempt dew
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Did they reverse the nerf?

long bramble
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if that will happen it will happen tmrw na office time

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so around evening if you re eu

silent crow
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Does anyone think they will?

long bramble
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nah they dont care bro

silent crow
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Didn't think so lol

long bramble
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we re the less played spec in the game prob so i think it s gg

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and ig they change anything they would change aura buff compensation not talents changes cuz that would fuck up pvp balancing too which is the main reason of the changes i m pretty sure

buoyant stratus
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Except sub on last boss seat get mogged mohggggesddd mogggggggeddddd

keen belfry
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bad procs

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right guys?

buoyant stratus
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I wish we didnt die on windrunner...

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Freebie key

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2 rogue would be aura

keen belfry
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21 ws doable af 2 rogues

crystal granite
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!prekey

ornate heathBOT
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  • Use adr Adrenaline Rush to activate loaded_dice Loaded Dice.
  • As Trickster, use ks KS to activate talent_disorientingstrikes Disorienting Strikes.
  • Do NOT use rtb RTB before the key, you will lose it.
  • Use snd SND during the bubble once the key starts.
hazy temple
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When will we know what hero spec will prevail on patch day?

tender wedge
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i think we have a reasonable idea

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right now 😱

proven ocean
hasty warren
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hi pirates

weary goblet
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tbf, there were talks that Fatebound will potentially be only ~1.5% behind, which honestly might be small enough difference to not bother with the Trickster clunk

harsh forge
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I kinda like coup de grace now that its a low prio button

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feels okman getting 30 seconds off cds

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then it procs again immidiately

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and killing spree doesnt feel so bad when you have no energy ever anyway

long bramble
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I mean yes but at the same time we have to deal with dungeon slices where we re legit a cuck we can t finish on 5cp an 90% of the time you find yourself with 5cp and you have to hit ss overcapping cps to hit a finisher ks is legit placebo cause you think it s fine pressing it when you have no energy when the issue is you should never be 0 energy on outlaw

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Soo idk

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Maybe I m an hater and I m overreacting about this stuff

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But I fell in love with outlaw cause you used to always be full of resources with always smth to press and a lot of dopamine cause of the apm

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To me it kinda lost the identity

tender breach
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goin back to fatebound means the build we used from th beginig of the patch with everything unchanged. Or we tweak something on the original material?

bright lodge
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We take loaded now I guess

pastel sierra
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But most likely no more trickster

elfin obsidian
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smoke screen was killing my vibes. cant see shit on the ground

near osprey
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wait why no trickster? diff talents too>?

frail veldt
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trickster got some targeted nerfs

near osprey
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no i saw that but isnt trickster still a few % better?

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even after

frail veldt
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its slightly better yeah

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but a lot of people hate its playstyle

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so people might go back to fatebound

near osprey
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how much % though realistically

stoic topaz
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do we still go for arcanoweave lining and prismatic focusing iris for embellishments? and is there one you should prioritize first?

near osprey
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cuz if its 6% st and 4% aoe

frail veldt
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its not

near osprey
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then wouldnt it mean fb is approx 5% worse?

frail veldt
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I'm investigating some unusual :fatebound: Fatebound results, and need to weigh how close they are with how comfortable Fatebound is to play. The actual verdict on Trickster vs Fatebound may change by reset.

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from the pin

near osprey
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yea i saw that

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he said some unusual fatebound results

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wonder what that meant

red pike
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hello guys how can i put combo points on top of targets ? is there an addon for it or its part of game options?

tender breach
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as much I prefer fatebound cause the playstyle is more carefree is sad for blizz to change something in a more fun way just to take it back. I would also be an idea since outlaw doesnt have something to hlp the group in mythics - raid if the smoke area would reduce the dmg for the tsnk or anyone else goin in it with the rogue

near osprey
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its outlaw they would never do that

stoic current
red pike
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is it possible there too ?

stoic current
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Oh yea it is

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a profile you use just has to enable it, idk how htey do it, but I use Jundies Playtnator profile and they show up on the nameplate

red pike
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
fickle echo
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what graphic setting reduces the thickness of the Cloud cover smoke? i would love to see puddles

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particle density?

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does having it on low fuck me in the ass in some other way?

stray juniper
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maybe it sounds stupid but is there any1 that can share edit mode with me? 🙂

unkempt dew
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I also see it on icyveins

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But what does it mean?

normal violet
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It just means it involves physics
Like complicated math

strong cargo
unkempt dew
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Aaah i get it

proven ocean
tender wedge
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brew, arms, rogue, [x], resto sham

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x being hunter because good or druid because motw

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you may note that rogue brings nothing to synergise with the rest of the group if not damage

hollow bloom
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sounds about right, i bring nothing to my friend group. why do they even invite me.

hardy thicket
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Hey now poisons

unkempt dew
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I bring fun

long bramble
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We indeed bring swag

opal badger
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I trust the process with outlaw, I feel super weak but maybe it's just ilvl

tender wedge
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i don't do high enough keys for it to matter so im chillin

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just gotta get honest and comfortable with your priorities, sometimes if you want to push cutting edge content you gotta play something else. sometimes if you want to play what you enjoy most you have to accept the difficulty that comes along with that. it is what it is

hardy thicket
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Tru

unkempt dew
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iight

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That does not count for Zac

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He is French

hardy thicket
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Well or you can just be very very very good at the spec and play with what will give you the most optimal circumstances even if you spec is kinda bad

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Thats zac

stoic current
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Is outlaw not a good spec for m+ or sth? Still leveling so I'm wondering. I love the playstyle so I'll stick with it regardless

hardy thicket
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Its just really not as strong as the alternatives come this reset but its overall a pretty good m+ spec always.

hollow bloom
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i mean, im so beat down from the constant nerfs or half assed attempt to make outlaw a class. so just do keys with friends and see the last boss in a raid tier with the dad guild. there is nothing to strive for anymore.

hardy thicket
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Like Outlaw at its base design is very good for m+ content

hollow bloom
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AoE capped

wintry solar
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You could not pay attention to patch notes worryThumbsUp

opal badger
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Idk why but I can't do high ST dps

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My aoe feels good tho Shrug

tender wedge
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none of the rogue specs are GREAT st damage this season

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apart from outlaw having 2 weeks in the sun when it was decent

hardy thicket
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Wdym Outlaws ST bangs

opal badger
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If outlaw st is bad then aoe also should be no?

hardy thicket
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Like if ur ST is bad prolly means ur Messing up rotation more than you think. Its less punishing in AoE so less noticeable

tender wedge
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didn't say it was bad

hardy thicket
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Was replying to Jokkers

opal badger
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Actually washed player, back to 4 button class dead

tender wedge
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ah

hollow bloom
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I just think, devs just dont like a skill cieling that gives higher dps.

tender wedge
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i mean yeah they don't, that's never been the case except maybe surrender to madness spriest

stoic current
tender wedge
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exactly

opal badger
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All dev dps is meta, you just need to learn optimal way to use resources and your dps is insane

stoic current
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If you wanna play the hard to play gigabrain class, then you gotta do it for the love of the game

opal badger
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At least I can click fast on outlaw KEKW

stoic current
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whatever said spec is

worldly shale
zenith sparrow
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guys do you think I should take voidcore or socket from vault?

tender wedge
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i mean clealy voidcores until you have items you need

arctic hollow
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Until Saron's Loot table is picked clean i'd pick voidcore as well

deep sequoia
red pike
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!ui

ornate heathBOT
arctic hollow
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Also I can confirm that having looted an item naturally does ***not *** remove it from the Voidcore loot table, it is not a thing, fuck Chimaerus

deep sequoia
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only takes out things u loot by using voidcores

zenith sparrow
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do we need slice n dice in opener cast?

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!macro

ornate heathBOT
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Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

  • You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
  • Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
  • You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.
arctic hollow
arctic hollow
livid pewter
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but it shouldnt run out in a key unless you die or something is screwed

zenith sparrow
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ty

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ig its just same, like adr slice before pull

elfin obsidian
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guys, i do the prekey stuff > use snd with the ks generated cp inside bubble > open with bf into dispatch > ar into Bte (m+ first pull). is this halfway correct or can i do smth better with my cp?

unkempt dew
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!prekey

ornate heathBOT
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  • Use adr Adrenaline Rush to activate loaded_dice Loaded Dice.
  • As Trickster, use ks KS to activate talent_disorientingstrikes Disorienting Strikes.
  • Do NOT use rtb RTB before the key, you will lose it.
  • Use snd SND during the bubble once the key starts.
unkempt dew
inland acorn
unkempt dew
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That was where i was going

neon rapids
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how screwed are we with powder changes?

unkempt dew
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6% ST & 4%AoE nerf

static crescent
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Which is quite a lot tbhh

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Espicially the ST part makes me super sad, was kind of a cool thing to bring boss damage atleast

unkempt dew
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ill see it when it goes live

elder sonnet
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If anything, we needed a 6% st & 4% aoe buff instead of a nerf

unkempt dew
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Its not that i am a Zac level player anyways haha

heavy shadow
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Hi all, I had a few weeks off. What's going on outlaw? FAQ up to date still?

static crescent
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They will somehow fuck the aura buff or cloud nerfs anyways, end result % will remain to be seen

unkempt dew
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You can always play BM or something

heavy shard
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lol

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The game is full of the same specs because of this ass balancing

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Just let everyone be op and let us have fun

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Why are they even trying to balance it so hard as if they are the Federal Reserve and the economy depends on their balancing

mighty pivot
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Replace KS with a tactical nuke

heavy shard
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This sounds like something for survival hunter talent

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Shotguns, Molotov cocktails, why not a nuke too

young prism
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I'm wonderin which rogue spec will be better after wednesday

unkempt dew
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Outlaw

heavy shard
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My fate coin is on sub

unkempt dew
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Because aura

young prism
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nah outlaw might be done

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My doubt is the survival more than the damage I do in fact

heavy shard
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It is, my aff lock does more damage than outlaw despite being undergeared. Granted it might be a skill issue but aff lock is so easy to play and pumps more in my experience … it’s boring tho

young prism
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on what level key?

heavy shard
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On the dummy

young prism
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mine also be the skill issue but I found outlaw needs longer fight to excel and rng ofc

mighty pivot
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solo is cooking a FB HO build that will own every other spec in the game. I believe Okay

young prism
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solo might be overwhelmed because of blizz 😄

glass quartz
young prism
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he might be this far "." to say fuck this shit 😄

gaunt phoenix
heavy shard
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I like fatebound animations. Flipping dobloons for damage 😂 full casino

young prism
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@gaunt phoenix do you think they might rever the change they plan? or future buffs perhaps?

gaunt phoenix
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doubt it

young prism
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so I assume assas. will take over in keys then

unkempt dew
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Did Assa get buffed?

young prism
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no but we are nerfed so D:

heavy shard
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You guys get invited to m+ damn

gaunt phoenix
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it's not -13% dps

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Idk

young prism
ashen vortex
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Hello ! I'm playing mm+
Wondering if it's better on the open to blade furry and BTE or killing spree ?

gaunt phoenix
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If 4% dps is enough to swing sin ahead of outlaw maybe they were both already fine

young prism
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I don't know as I said my doubt is survival in fact

unkempt dew
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Is 4% a lot?

opal badger
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Also guildies help

young prism
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after the smoke nerf next week I've no idea how I'm going to survive

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stacks no longer will give damage reduction

opal badger
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Is fatebound gameplay different?

young prism
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not su much - pins have the answers there and faq

opal badger
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Oke ill check ty

heavy shard
young prism
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😄

opal raven
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Hey any way to see on the logs the "healing" from numbing poison like for atrophic ? To see like the prevented damage on the tank

gaunt phoenix
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there's a mitigation toggle in healing

livid kindle
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@solo as i understand those faze stacks additive increase damage while aura buff 5% is multiplicative with those two or?

sudden veldt
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today is the day

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outlaw change chall never go live

floral crown
long barn
unkempt dew
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Sometimes they go brrr and sometimes they dont

soft musk
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lets all cope and say the nerfs are because the new borrow power brings us higher than the nerf

gaunt phoenix
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3 stacks does stack up additive to 24%

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but then it's still your damage * 1.24

gaunt phoenix
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likely because it helps represent when thistle tea runs out

livid kindle
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yeah i mean its like was 1.0 * 1.24 and now 1.05*1.16 ?

river wing
gaunt phoenix
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like 1-2% after the tuning

river wing
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yeah ok that's enough to just run FB I feel

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how's it looking raid-wise?

sand berry
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Additional tuning notes today, right? copium

arctic hollow
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Do you guys think that next week it'll be troll to stay on outlaw rather than switch Assa to progress Paladins ?

gaunt phoenix
static crescent
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Could just play prepless FB next week and chill

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Its fun

gaunt phoenix
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which is fine tho you dont really gain anything

river wing
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yeah ok I feel like I could just run FB next week

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for both keys and raid

unkempt dew
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same

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I like prep tho

river wing
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prep is fine

gaunt phoenix
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Will need to see the final tuning towards the spell data

our last 4% tuning they random gave Fatebound tails 10% instead of 4%

river wing
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just don't like how Trickster is really dry when tea's out

gaunt phoenix
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also not 100% sure they will stop the crit-damage thing from stacking

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it's assumed yes

static crescent
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My 5 cents is on KS buff just to make trickster misery continue

livid kindle
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well they said secondary effects like dr so i guess they mean crit also

radiant dock
gaunt phoenix
unkempt dew
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Im starting to think that Blizz does not like outlaw

livid kindle
river wing
unkempt dew
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Sadge but true

livid kindle
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i feel like outlaw have special place in their heads because they giving us like 1 or 2 weeks before getting nuked while sub or sin might survive

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also sub got higher compensational buff while getting lower benefit from cloud cover

vivid vessel
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how do i add images to a forum post

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blizzard forum shit

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who here is r1 forum poster

blissful idol
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Holy bro is cooking the illuminate forum post with proof

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Ultimate *

livid kindle
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xd zac is on full desperate mode

marsh raft
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Assa in M+ would be miserable.

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unless crimson tempest has suddenly started hitting more than 2 extra mobs at a time to spread dots

livid kindle
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assa is good in m+ its just playstyle not for everyone

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same as sub i just dont wanna touch it after they oversimplify it

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so its just outlaw for me or dip

marsh raft
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well I'm still learning outlaw. like, to the point I have assisted highlight enabled in case I forget something. So I guess the 'simplicity' isn't a huge negative for me.

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cause outlaw feels like spinning plates whist riding a unicycle sometimes 😄

livid kindle
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you need good ui to play outlaw good brother dont play on classic ui get zac's ui

cinder relic
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The issue with assa in keys is that it does no damage outside of push keys

livid kindle
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i mean it doesnt if your group does damage

marsh raft
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my highest key is like a +13 so yeah thats not me

livid kindle
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because u need time to ramp

marsh raft
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no push for meee

livid kindle
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i would play sub in your case if u find it fun

unkempt dew
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Its my goal to reach 3000 rio this season

livid kindle
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short bursty windows everything dies in lowkeys in those

unkempt dew
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I really really like the bird mounts

marsh raft
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yeah I've run it a couple times, but I like Outlaw better. But Sub is my offspec/backup

livid kindle
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yeah outlaw is best spec in the game most fun for me

marsh raft
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I also really really like hookshot

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like to the point I keep trying to use it as sub

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😅

livid kindle
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yeah its just fun reactive fast dynamic gameplay what can be better

stoic current
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was about to search for a ping to a mod

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thanks for removing that

unkempt dew
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Outlaw Will always be my main

true dust
vast mauve
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is there any sim that shows how much % shaman buff, vers buff etc gives outlaw?

proven surge
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
proven surge
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There you go

unkempt dew
vast mauve
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thx bro

unkempt dew
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But the season is still fresh

true dust
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it would be way faster if we got invites as rogues instead of having to run our own keys 😄

quaint kelp
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!nerf

true dust
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i'm not even getting invited to 10s with 277 ilvl and ~3k rio

opal badger
unkempt dew
opal badger
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Not purple enough

true dust
opal badger
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I got to 3k but I don't see reason to go higher on main

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Now trying outlaw as side content

unkempt dew
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What is the GCD circle addon on cursor?

quaint kelp
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sry if the question has already been asked many times, but how much %dps loss in st/aoe after nerf ?

unkempt dew
quaint kelp
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thanks sry

unkempt dew
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Np

grim steppe
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been looking for a cursor addon as well

unkempt dew
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@vivid vessel has one

grim steppe
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but dont streamers charge for ui and addons they use

desert tendon
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zac is french, he has no sens of business dont worry it's free

grim steppe
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nice one

livid kindle
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zac__________________ search on twitch and type !ui there

desert tendon
livid kindle
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hes sharing his ui for free what a man

desert tendon
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even better, i put it here

vast mauve
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is it impossible to have a mouseover set focus target that givees them a mark?

grim steppe
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it'spossible

vast mauve
grim steppe
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/tm [@mouseover,exists,nodead] 8

unkempt dew
grim steppe
zinc briar
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we know the release date of next season?

vast mauve
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doesnt work

unkempt dew
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I thought we could not use any weakauras

livid kindle
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technically its not WA's its M33kauras combined with cdm

grim steppe
unkempt dew
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Aah aight aight

true light
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with the changes coming tomorrow which rogue spec would be the best for M+ in trying to hit 3400io?

unkempt dew
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The one you like the most

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Will be hard hitting 3400 with a spec that you dont want to play

mighty pivot
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You will get declined equally anyway. Just have fun at least

unkempt dew
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This

vast mauve
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doesnt work at all

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it does set focus macro but no marker

violet osprey
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any1 know what the addon with the crosshair on your character is called?

vast mauve
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i have it from wilditools

frank hamlet
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What is the usage of the crosshair?I really don't get it

mighty pivot
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How else would you aim your PS and BtE?

wintry solar
wintry solar
frank hamlet
mighty pivot
wintry solar
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He's always hungry

mighty pivot
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Like his caretaker

wintry solar
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Actually I have a tum tum ache so no dinner before bed

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From all the food I ate obv

mighty pivot
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What did you have? 5 happy meals?

wintry solar
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3 chicken strips and 3 boudin balls

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With a side of honey mustard

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And 2 energy drinks

mighty pivot
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Heh balls

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Oh I see they are like bitterballen but more solid

wintry solar
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I've never heard of that tbh

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But given the context I can imagine it's similar

mighty pivot
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Why do you eat as if you have free healthcare?

fervent garden
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yo laws. so i got this heroic on timewarped week. looks like it sims better than Barbed Choker (hero).

wintry solar
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Because I can see a doctor immediately if I need my tummy pumped

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But I wont because that's for quiters

fervent garden
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is that a thing? like just rando timewarped things showing up?

gaunt phoenix
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yea

cinder relic
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what about it?

mighty pivot
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What sims better depends on your gear

gaunt phoenix
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just a crit haste neck

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it's the same stat volume as the choker

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just different distribution between crit and haste

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so ye they can be slightly different for you

fervent garden
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COOL. thought i was special.

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it doesnt take alot. 🙂

wintry solar
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You ARE special in your own little way

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No two outlaws are alike huggies

rotund haven
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Trying to get my resil 16s…anyone at this level use macro focus for kicks?

livid kindle
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yeah u need focus kick its more efficient than target swap just to kick if you want to minmax

static crescent
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Yeah the use is starting to get more common from 16 onwards slowly

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I honestly think the value is kinda meh when not fully coordinated group

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certain pulls its semi mandatory like WS first pull to have something assigned semi smartly I guess

vivid vessel
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how do i make a post

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if i cant have links

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im confused

livid kindle
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when you sort it out let us know zac we will upvote

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who tf knows who goes to forum xd

vivid vessel
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i think i have to answer an existing thread to have links

inland acorn
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Doesn't matter, the great rogue master Mafic will come and debunk zac

vivid vessel
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i cant create a new thread with links

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or idk

inland acorn
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The final raid boss of the forum game, Mafic the Great

gaunt phoenix
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its cuz your forum account has a 'trust level'

normal hawk
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I was going to say comment on mafics ramblings

vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
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at level 1 you can only link like wowhead and youtube

vivid vessel
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xd

livid kindle
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who is mafic is there any drama i am not aware of?

vivid vessel
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i cant make my post without links

normal hawk
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They’re the best man

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Blizzard should employ them

gaunt phoenix
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wrap them in backticks `

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so its not a link but ppl can copy paste

inland acorn
normal hawk
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🏄‍♂️

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Has like 30k comments

livid kindle
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oh i think ive seen it once

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xd

normal hawk
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Legit all trash takes

inland acorn
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And stuff he says is... making people question wether its GROK taking over

normal hawk
#

It’s 100# ai

livid kindle
#

is it on eu forum or us?

#

lemme see

normal hawk
#

There was a post today where they were like

inland acorn
#

Idk i rarerly open forums, usually nothing worth reading there

normal hawk
#

“It brings all rogue classes into parity”

#

Fuckn ughh

inland acorn
#

Unless someone creditable posts feedback, then its usually good read

livid kindle
#

i guess eu nothing on us

static crescent
#

Yeah also if its clearly biased feedback in a sense that "I just want more dam" its kinda pointless

#

Still suprised they dont just make the CP usage braindead mode and make KS into a cool burst button to press

#

that would resonate best with the masses

inland acorn
#

I mean they did kinda try to reduce complexity for rogue as whole class

livid kindle
#

they did

inland acorn
#

And yet rogue population seems to once again shrink garf

livid kindle
#

sub is 2 button spec now

static crescent
#

Assa and sub are allready kinda there, outlaw still has stuff going for it

#

Think it will happen eventually in this xpac

inland acorn
#

Its still easier to learn now than say in TWW

#

With rolls being simpler, slower in terms of apm

livid kindle
#

i mean ret is still easyer to play and it "does more damage on average" no braincells needed to do damage as ret so people just go ret or dk why play rogue more effort less damage

static crescent
#

I mean, you play outlaw for the feel of it really at this point, or i guess thats the reason to play it

inland acorn
#

But mah raid buff angrysip

static crescent
#

theres no actual reason to play it at all

#

In terms of dps or anything

inland acorn
#

Ye we lost our niche

#

Which we werent even best at tbf

static crescent
#

Dont think its bad still that a spec is fun and thats the reason to play it

livid kindle
#

its solid as it is right now not op just solid thats why nerfing it is ridiculous

inland acorn
#

I think nerfing talent was fine, because amount of power tied to it was too high

static crescent
#

Im still thinking this announced 5% buff will end up being something weird af in the server side and its more

inland acorn
#

But there should've been proper compensation

livid kindle
#

yeah with proper compensation i agree sure but the thing is that the middle ground going up because they buffed some specs thats why nerf is gona feel even harsher

inland acorn
#

I mean ye

#

Talent got nerfed for both us and sub, and somehow sub gets overall buff

#

While we eat nerf

#

Which sucks

#

Though granted, sub is going back to deathstalker which idk if i would want to trade that for 2% buff lmao

#

Deathstalker feels like ass to me idk

static crescent
#

idk, they will get some prio with it too now i guess

#

I think it will fit better into m+ as a whole now

#

not sure how much the prio will end up being but

livid kindle
#

never liked DS

static crescent
#

and clowning around with swapping marks wont be that hard when the spec has 3 buttons

inland acorn
#

oh wait, they're not going back to DS, it's close to trickster

static crescent
#

will even bring some more gameplay into it

inland acorn
#

Ye sub won this gg

normal hawk
#

I don’t think sub goes back to ds tbh

inland acorn
#

they don't, I just checked the pins

static crescent
#

oh

#

well then'

normal hawk
#

Yeah it’s like

inland acorn
#

It's close to trickster

static crescent
#

nevermind :]

normal hawk
#

On st you get maybe a little. Ore

#

But it’s so fuckn clunky feeling

#

Not worth

inland acorn
#

Ye but nobody wants to play this cheeks hero talent tree

normal hawk
#

It’s ass

#

Feels ass

eternal solstice
#

how does outlaw feel rn? swapped off rogue 3 weeks ago and i wanna gear another char

normal hawk
#

It was way worse when u couldn’t move the mark too

#

Rogue in general feels like, low-middle of the pack imo

inland acorn
#

Ngl all 3 hero trees feel so underwhelming

eternal solstice
normal hawk
#

I mainly play sub

eternal solstice
#

ive been playing bdk and frost dk, so im used to not being s tier

inland acorn
normal hawk
#

It’s still pretty good and it got a little buff coming

timid wadi
#

if you want inv to keys any other class but rogue garf

eternal solstice
#

ill play with my guild / tank friend, so theres probably no problem getting into keys

random stirrup
normal hawk
#

But if you compare it to like devour it’s like

random stirrup
#

huh

eternal solstice
random stirrup
#

well that would do it

timid wadi
#

yeah in 19+ got to lol i wait on average like 2 hours

normal hawk
#

Unholy is pretty great atm isn’t it

exotic agate
#

!fuu

ornate heathBOT
eternal solstice
#

ty for the link

timid wadi
#

oh bro if this ur 1st xpac play anyhting dont matter

#

play what you like

normal hawk
#

You won’t run into key issues till like

random stirrup
normal hawk
#

16?

random stirrup
#

we timed that though

#

big gains

timid wadi
#

@random stirrup Notok

random stirrup
#

trying to pug title is hell

#

would not recommend if you enjoy playing the game, you will just sit in queue perma

normal hawk
#

Feel like that’s only true for higher keys

eternal solstice
inland acorn
#

If your guild struggles to kill HC crown

#

I don't think damage is the issue

#

Unless everyone is fighting tank on meters

hoary kite
#

Noob q for the opener in an M+ setting: are we doing the noted opener with AR + Roll? If so, is it worth it to wait until the tank is done grouping mobs so you can stay in the bomb for as long as possible?

eternal solstice
#

and middle of the pack is parsing greens/greys

normal hawk
#

Oofh

frank hamlet
#

Oof

normal hawk
#

I mean ur not gonna be able to solo it with a 99 parse on rogue tbh

#

Unholy on that fight seems to do pretty similar damage to rogue imo

wooden river
#

with TotT on the tank of course

gaunt phoenix
inland acorn
#

But what if they fix the smoke bug, with tuning this reset Hmm

gaunt phoenix
#

dont care

hoary kite
#

Yah I get popping AR pre key. I just mean for normal pulls

gaunt phoenix
#

trickster is cringe now

#

they can fix it

hoary kite
#

I didn't know about smoke being bugged? So you don't need to stay in it at all..?

inland acorn
#

Did you find secret tech

#

To get us back to FB

#

Please tell me you did mr. Solo

gaunt phoenix
#

no, just fb is close enough to play it

inland acorn
#

we're talking like ~2% close ?

eternal solstice
gaunt phoenix
#

so you press AR you will always get 20s of cloud cover

hoary kite
#

🤦 ok thanks

normal hawk
#

I thought they intentionally did that to cloud cover

inland acorn
#

I don't think they do many things intentionally at this point

gaunt phoenix
#

that sounds unlikely

hoary kite
#

What even is the point of the cloud cover then...

gaunt phoenix
#

it's a bug...

#

but we didnt talk about it cause we like it

hoary kite
#

It would only make sense if it's a bug lol

gaunt phoenix
#

but now they are nerfing trickster so who cares

ashen void
round stump
#

maybe thats why they are nerfing it

inland acorn
#

Nerf to the talent was warranted

#

Not compensating was not

gaunt phoenix
#

well in keys

#

in raid it's more like 3%

inland acorn
#

Its fine

#

I'm benched for half of the raid anyways

gaunt phoenix
#

idk, i hate things escaping ptr, and then it gets launched into the sun 2 weeks later

#

the fuck was the point of ptr then

inland acorn
#

I mean it's always the same with PTR and beta no

#

They overlook glaring issues and ignore feedback

gaunt phoenix
#

did they really need to see the playerbase use it to know how strong it was

inland acorn
#

Just to pikachu face in couple weeks/months

worldly compass
#

Just funmaxx and play fatebound since a schizophrenic is currently balancing the game

gaunt phoenix
#

real

normal hawk
#

Feel like there 2 teams balancing

#

And they don’t know the other one is there

inland acorn
#

I don't think there's even 1 balancing team, not to mention 2

cinder relic
desert tendon
#

thinking there is 1 team is alrady incredible, so 2 you re the incarnated hope

normal hawk
#

I feel like 2 makes less sense

#

So it’s more likely

eternal solstice
#

do you have any idea of dev dh is still gonna be s tier?

normal hawk
#

Yes

inland acorn
marsh raft
#

its not gonna magically turn to shit with that nerf

gaunt phoenix
#

i just didnt give it a second thought or even a first thought until sims

normal hawk
#

It was quite a bit ahead

inland acorn
#

How much was cloud worth, before them buffing it

normal hawk
#

6% or whatever isn’t gonna matter to devourer

gaunt phoenix
#

the original cloud cover with distract was a dps loss?

#

worst talent they ever made

inland acorn
desert tendon
#

remember when trickster was relying on pressing distract on cd

#

and feint

inland acorn
#

Remember when pressing KS on sprocket was illegal ?

worldly compass
#

Remember when coup would pull you into melee?

inland acorn
#

Fun times garf

keen belfry
#

Solo trickster is gonna be annoyingly ahead right? Like a few % where playing FB feels bad

desert tendon
worldly compass
#

Same lol

desert tendon
#

also the extra longer gcd for no reason

inland acorn
desert tendon
#

but hey, coup bug was a thing

gaunt phoenix
keen belfry
#

Hmm

gaunt phoenix
#

at least for my profile

inland acorn
keen belfry
#

Might go fatebound

inland acorn
#

That was our planned set all along

gaunt phoenix
#

unless the real tuning is botched

inland acorn
#

They just were testing the waters with the bug mhm

keen belfry
#

Have you done long sim

desert tendon
#

They made it into a tier set 🏄‍♂️

gaunt phoenix
#

yes, fatebound is closer in the long dungeon sims

#

cuz of tea

karmic solar
#

FB it is then, why have all these extra buttons while a bunch of shit is going down when u can just chillllllll 👌👌

keen belfry
#

Ok interesting

atomic jasper
#

what are the roll chances of roll the bones lvls? %25 chance equally or lvl 1 is weighted?

keen belfry
#

I had a really bad seat yesterday where I was out of teas before first boss

#

And that made the whole dungeon not fun

inland acorn
#

that's a wrap

gaunt phoenix
cinder relic
#

Just ppl assumed it to be mid/gimmicky/ass

buoyant stratus
inland acorn
atomic jasper
vivid vessel
cinder relic
#

Rogue looks so fucking tough in D4 bro

image.png
gaunt phoenix
wintry solar
#

They got Arthas and Frostmourne before wow did

#

Smh

elder sonnet
#

what's it gonna be for reset outlaw bros?

gaunt phoenix
#

Updated May 5th Tuning Info

(click for notes)

talent_trickster_cloudcover Cloud Cover is being handily nerfed and we are given a 5% aura buff to "compensate."

First of all, until servers are live it is unclear if they are removing the crit-damage stacking effect, but the assumption is yes.

Second of all, a +5% buff in notes is hardly ever actually +5%, last time they randomly gave Fatebound Tails +10% instead so we'll see.

Given that, there are a few observations based on initial sims:

  1. 5% spec aura is not nearly enough to offset the nerf. Overall we are losing about 6% ST and 4% AoE.

  2. trickster Trickster is still using talent_trickster_cloudcover Cloud Cover as opposed to No Scruples.

  3. You can start to make a call on trickster Trickster vs fatebound Fatebound as Trickster is no longer lightyears ahead.

    • In raid, trickster Trickster is still expected to be ahead of fatebound Fatebound by about 2% ST and 4% sustain cleave. Not a crazy difference but hard to give up even if you can't stand Trickster. Can depend on gear a bit
    • In M+, fatebound Fatebound is considerably closer, potentially within 1% overall. I believe this is because of fatebound Fatebound's performance when thistle_tea Thistle Tea has run dry. Fatebound is way more comfortable with resources so it's perfectly acceptable to use it again. Overall aside, trickster Trickster is still going to give you more of a boost during the early AR/Lusted pulls and has perma Tricks so you might swap between both to decide what you like.
gaunt phoenix
radiant wyvern
rough oriole
hybrid crown
#

That set is like 50 dollars or some shit in d4

elder sonnet
#

so if they aren't removing the crit-damage stacking effect, how big is the nerf going to be realistically?

ember spear
#

or like a mil wow gold

gaunt phoenix
#

crit thing is like an extra +2-3%

waxen scarab
gaunt phoenix
#

so instead of 6% nerf it would be 3%

#

and then trickster would be like 4-7% ahead of fatebound everywhere which is ehh harder to give up

elder sonnet
#

so pretty much negligible change in m+?

gaunt phoenix
#

Yes

elder sonnet
#

i see

#

fingers crossed

#

that's some positive news (if it's not removed)

ember spear
#

idk how you guys manage outlaw in raids man. found myself running into the cutter ray last night on Salz trying to maintain my rotation to maximize dmg during the burst window. This compared to sub where i just have to manage doing a thing once every 20 sec

gaunt phoenix
#

You quickly get muscle memory with it

#

and if you have a clean UI to see everything

ember spear
#

thats fair, i havent outlawed since like legion so i guess thats a thing

gaunt phoenix
#

you get used to the conditions without having to stare at UI

craggy barn
#

salad spin u just tap movement

elfin obsidian
frail veldt
#

You also eventually memorize how many cps stuff gives you do you don't have to wait to figure out your next global

#

Most of outlaw is just tons of repetition

ember spear
#

i mean i totally get that sub is the easiest of the 3 specs by far rotationally, maybe im just getting old idk. but damn man its a challenge. and end of the day i just dont see the numbers like i do with sub or assa in M+

radiant wyvern
ember spear
#

but i also dont have an amazing 2nd trinket. but i did get M Gaze last night on bonus roll so theres that

elfin obsidian
ember spear
elfin obsidian
#

haha yeee, but once u get the hang of how to prio spells

#

its fine 🙂

ember spear
#

yeah thats fair. its a challenge for sure. im hoping for a good trinket tomorrow

elfin obsidian
gaunt phoenix
timid idol
#

i see a pinned

gaunt phoenix
#

You have to AR and you have to bf

timid idol
#

do i dare click

#

will i get dissapointed or relieved

dim parrot
#

Solo

elfin obsidian
dim parrot
#

What are odds due to outlaws ability to high roll it is seen as more of an outlier spec

#

Even if avg dps of it is nothing crazy

radiant wyvern
#

we highroll into doing mid dps

timid idol
#

oh nothing new

#

just an update to the prev nerfs

#

ig blizz just returned to work today so impossible for new things

#

o wait this is the only day they can make changes

#

tomorrow it goes live for na

#

yea i give up hope its sin time

dim parrot
river wing
zinc briar
#

bm is gonna be strong?

timid idol
#

lol doubt

#

its the

#

nth aura buff for them

#

and they're still at the bottom

#

when he says he will be fighting a bm hunter

#

he means we will go back to frost dk tier like in pre-buffs

#

:D

river wing
# zinc briar bm is gonna be strong?

well they're getting a 4% and we're getting somewhere around -4 to -6%, which would, for players of our skill (we're both like mid purple parsers) put him at a very slight advantage

opal badger
#

is everything from pit of saron bis? (i got ring and neck so far)

river wing
#

only the cloak isn't bis per se

hybrid pecan
#

Pretty much

river wing
#

but cloak is still good

#

bc frankly you could use some vers in your life

opal badger
#

ye, i think ill send more rolls into saron after reset

timid idol
river wing
#

legit no real reason to not dump rolls into Pit unless you have 2-3+ items from there not from extra rolls

timid idol
#

i got the cloak from bonus roll then next morning i got the cloak from magister's lol

#

which was kinda sad but still

opal badger
#

i got ring and neck from saron, neck from windrunner:( and crit ring from nexus

timid idol
#

never thought i would say this

#

but i miss vers prio stat

river wing
#

ehhh
I like crit and I could like haste if it wasn't so stupidly done in terms of outlaw

timid idol
#

crit is fine

#

haste is lame for the same reasons you listed

hybrid pecan
#

well on tuesday we are probably back to playing 3% vers node

timid idol
#

versa was kinda useful lol

gaunt phoenix
#

Yeah fatebound uses vers node

hybrid pecan
#

I actually don't mind haste for outlaw. The coolest part about haste is the gcd reduction and outlaw is the only energy spec that benefits from that with haste

#

It's much worse for WW where all it does is increase fof damage

river wing
river wing
hybrid pecan
#

As opposed to just bigger number

#

I mean that's cool too, I just prefer actually feeling the gameplay implications of a stat

light mural
upper sage
#

How much of a nerf do we think Tuesdays tuning will be?

vapid sundial
#

check the pin

young mango
#

so based on the nerf , assa is gonna be the best rog spec in m+ ? (on high keys 18+)

gaunt phoenix
#

idk if 4% is enough to swing the pendulum very far

young mango
#

so on wednesday we will have the exact info right ?

manic kestrel
#

!prekey

ornate heathBOT
#
  • Use adr Adrenaline Rush to activate loaded_dice Loaded Dice.
  • As Trickster, use ks KS to activate talent_disorientingstrikes Disorienting Strikes.
  • Do NOT use rtb RTB before the key, you will lose it.
  • Use snd SND during the bubble once the key starts.
mighty pivot
vapid sundial
#

they arent wrong

#

leveling rogue sucks

silver venture
#

fellas im mainly pugging keys, just got to 19s bracket and every attempt i make ends up in tank dying to some hard pull and then its ggs, is it worth swapping atrophic for numbing, or does it barely make any difference for tanks at all

gaunt phoenix
#

my point is more like, if a 4% nerf puts sin ahead of outlaw, it's not like it would be ahead by very much

young mango
#

to compare with outlaw , assa and sub are so boring to play , rog was already bad and we got nerfed xD, like they did to arms war xD i hope for the next balance patch they will GET more info about who need buff/nerfs xD.

vapid sundial
#

Sadly they dont know what to do with outlaw

#

For some reason BF gives class devs complete and utter brainrot.

round holly
#

Meh, if it does wind up being a 4% Aoe / 2% ST nerf, that isn't enough to swing me away from having fun on outlaw

young mango
upper sage
#

I will always main outlaw no matter what

#

It's just annoying

weary goblet
young mango
#

when was the rogue meta ? 😄

weary goblet
#

BFA

young mango
#

i remember Shadowlands season 2 or sth

round holly
upper sage
#

Shadoelands outlaw was insane

#

So was sub

#

Shadow*

young mango
#

it was really fun to play , Separated bone spikes

river wing
upper sage
#

I've been playing combat since wotlk and that will always be my preferred rogue spec no matter if good or bad

river wing
#

(also the last time the class had like 7% rep in keys, you know, like a normal class does)

upper sage
#

Back when we used to be brought for shroud lol

river wing
#

back when dungeons actually wanted you to skip stuff, yeah

weary goblet
#

we were actually strongest cleave in BFA

desert tendon
#

the strongest gamblers as well

weary goblet
#

they target cap us, say specs should have a specialty, than they remove the % per missing target

#

they remove acro, make DK and Pally borderline ranged

#

what happened to "melee need to be melee"

desert tendon
#

you know my rael problem

past stump
#

i fucking miss acrobatic strikes

desert tendon
#

what happeened to casters need to cast

weary goblet
desert tendon
#

when i see them jumping arround throwing stuff

young mango
#

they are doing weird shit ) even they dont know what to do . 😄 based on RIO they nerf and buff classes )

#

and nerf

weary goblet
desert tendon
#

of course

river wing
#

like I've been thinking about an AA route that would allow skipping a couple of Echo Knight packs
and it's basically impossible without clearing the fuck out of everything else, like legit clean everything before Vexam sort of situation

river wing
static crescent
#

So hmmm, after next patch, what is our gain from pre-fart change? Like 7-8% right?

weary goblet
river wing
#

there is zero interaction with ANY mechanic in current design
amps? no
low target cleave? no
tons of enemies? no
downtime? killer
full uptime? still only really good but not the best
execute? no

river wing
#

maybe a fourth in a pinch

#

like it's the same as it is on assa

weary goblet
#

i mean, i have an extra row for otl compared to assa, idk man

river wing
#

the issue is lack of strengths coupled with some crippling weaknesses

old shore
vapid sundial
#

mfw cleave spec isnt best cleave

river wing
# old shore Gambling

the thing is
even if you jackpot for 70% of the fight
you are still not gonna be top DPS at an equally high skill level

river wing
weary goblet
#

Whole class feels really abandoned and desolate imo. I'm not gonna change mains, played rogue for decades, but man... im definitely playing more games outside wow

old shore
vapid sundial
#

mage etc was just better

#

better at 1t, 2t, 3t, etcetcetc

#

xdd

#

There were a few very niche cases where outlaw was insane

river wing
brave lagoon
weary goblet
#

Tbh, no changes to rogue are really gonna excite me at this point unless they give us tank/heal spec or something

#

I've pretty much lost all confidence in the devs to do something fun with rogue, personally

brave lagoon
#

What about aug rogue with* restless crew 🤡

desert tendon
#

no

#

talking about restless crew is forbidden

brave lagoon
#

Flew too close to the sun

keen belfry
#

kinda banger swords

image.png
vapid sundial
#

Rc would have been cool, perma outlaw spot.

weary goblet
#

nobody liked it

#

nobody wants random cd to differ

#

and hold them extra to align

#

it was flawed concept from the start

brave lagoon
#

Did it even make it out of alpha

vivid vessel
river wing
#

time to lovebomb zac's thread

#

I'm doing my part!

inland acorn
#

Smh

vivid vessel
#

i have made more than 2 posts

#

but i had to create an NA account

#

to be taken serious

#

cause you cant post on eu

#

its banned

gaunt phoenix
river wing
#

yeah eu is literally screaming into the void (also much, much less community interaction overall)

stoic topaz
#

Do you guys ever use draught of rampant abandon potion?

gaunt phoenix
#

no

stoic topaz
#

Just lights potential?

gaunt phoenix
#

yes

mighty pivot
vivid vessel
#

im goated

#

leave a like

mighty pivot
#

Like and subscribe

river wing
fervent garden
#

officially liked.

mighty pivot
#

1 like = 1% aura buff btw

inland acorn
#

Watch it somehow into getting us aura nerf

mighty pivot
#

So if all outlaws chip in it will be like 10% buff

rough oriole
livid kindle
#

LETSGO ZAC

vivid vessel
#

im professional complainer

#

i think its time i start to officially complain instead of doing it for fun

glass shard
#

HELLO PIRATES

vivid vessel
#

i could maybe make a carreer out of complaining

arctic hollow
gaunt phoenix
glass shard
#

thats already ur thing

livid kindle
glass shard
#

post on r/compwow too

#

those people loooove drama

#

(not drama but u know what i mean)

timid idol
#

i upvoted but considering tomorrow its already live for na i lost hope

gaunt phoenix
#

unethical pin but dont care

timid idol
#

if they had 2 days to rectify this i would have had hope

#

but its bleak imo

vivid vessel
#

i should have done it over the weekend ye

atomic bear
fossil mountain
#

Outlaw is so back

vivid vessel
#

it is what it is

livid kindle
vivid vessel
sand berry
#

if this is unethical what would closing the discord be garf

vivid vessel
#

fatebound will still be worse tho

gaunt phoenix
#

and prep is still good

#

can remove another summarily or sleight

timid idol
#

would prep be op if it was affected by restless

gaunt phoenix
#

or like this

image.png
river wing
gaunt phoenix
#

yes would be the strongest talent in the tree

vivid vessel
#

its a capstone tho so

timid idol
#

and if it went to 6 mins?

river wing
#

still yes

vivid vessel
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its not particularly insane rn

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i would like it to be on charges tho

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or adr

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or both

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that would make it feel less awkard to play

river wing
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6 min restless-on Prep would be like
2 min in reality, maybe a little lower even

timid idol
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and what would be considered an op number for fast action reduction clue

vivid vessel
gaunt palm
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1st pull PIT, nerf deserved

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desert tendon
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i m excited

gaunt phoenix
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connect fast action to zero in, make it so resets dont consume zero in stacks but still benefit from the dmg

random stirrup
vivid vessel
river wing
vivid vessel
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how did you do the big 1 mil numba

timid idol
river wing
gaunt palm
vivid vessel
river wing
gaunt palm
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22 with 1m left EZ

vivid vessel
gaunt palm
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outlaw dif

timid idol
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would it be considered right now if it wasnt anti synergy even with just 5?

river wing
gaunt phoenix
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If prep was on restless it's just button bloat

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cuz you then just have to slam it on cd

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and it's just "a button for more AR"

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when it could just be more AR

timid idol
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its a bit of a button bloat even rn, they massively pruned amount of buttons to press on everyone but outlaw (with trickster) still has a shitton

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not necessarily a downside but still

livid kindle
river wing
river wing
gaunt phoenix
livid kindle
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oh yeah for sure

timid idol
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like i was shocked at the amount of actual buttons devourer presses

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i guess they got +1 recently but still

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if devourer was a rogue spec collapsing star would be a different bind for no reason

raw bridge
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dev = noob spec

cinder relic
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I mean

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The entire pruning thing, people really overindexed on

river wing
cinder relic
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Some specs didn't get pruned a lot

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Some specs did

raw bridge
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@river wing dh is a better way to put it

cinder relic
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Then ppl make comments like "rogue has so many buttons still"

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Like what did u want them to do lol

vivid vessel
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outlaw didnt get pruned at all

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of buttons i mean

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it got pruned of fun

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defensiveness

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and passives talents

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that were active gameplay

timid idol
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yea i guess... idk i complained about this many times in here already but its just a head scratcher, maybe its just my bias cuz i enjoyed tww s3 but i feel like almost every spec had at least some semblance of idea in their kit designs and they just threw it all away

cinder relic
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They didn't though

livid kindle
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i want my spec to have buttons and have high skill celling otherwise i will not play this game

cinder relic
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I mean arms for example still has like 40 buttons

river wing
cinder relic
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Sub lost like 3? buttons, but is almost entierly the exact same spec

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Outlaw lost like 0 and plays very differently

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Its the same as any expansion shift. specs get changed, redesigned, buttons get added, removed

timid idol
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like new rtb is cool and all but... its a little lamer thematically and its nowhere near close of 6 buffs dopamine hit

river wing
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sub is like
legit the same spec without the obfuscation of having to line up SoD/SD/SB+Flag

livid kindle
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yeah sub is simplyfied i used to love that spec in past but i dont wanna touch it now

timid idol
tender breach
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@gaunt phoenix when u say fatebound spec u mean the same one from the beginning of the patch without any changes updates??

timid idol
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the amount of shit you had to line up made me sick lol

vivid vessel
river wing
arctic hollow
timid idol
cinder relic
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There was like, nothing to line up tho its like

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U use flag with blades

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U use symbols with dance

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Its just "heres +1 button"

river wing
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but there was an image of having 4 CDs that have to come together, and that scared people

livid kindle
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lining up things was part of specs complexity theres no reason to turn all specs into ret pala when there is ret pala

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if u dont like complexity play ret pala

river wing
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now we don't have that and suddenly people start finding out that Sub is legit 3 buttons

timid idol
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maybe but like back in... bfa? or sl? i remember seeing a pic like this on reddit of a guy doing his opener in a raid fight and it was x30 larger and had 30 trillion buffs and cds alligned

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tender breach
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@vivid vessel and I ditch which one??

vivid vessel
livid kindle
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i didnt like shadowdust removal also

timid idol
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this looks pisseasy now but back then i swear it was a gargantuan line

cinder relic
gaunt phoenix
timid idol
cinder relic
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Heres the sub rotation before

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timid idol
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hardest skill for me personally in this game is managing cds, which is why i find stuff like outlaw, ret and bm easier to understand than something like arcane for example

cinder relic
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Here it is now

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random stirrup
cinder relic
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Symbols, you just pressed with dance in 9/10 times

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And flag you pressed before blades

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Like idk

tender breach
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@gaunt phoenix @vivid vessel rotation dispatch at 5+ kir from second lvl stay the same??

cinder relic
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Sub was never this "insanely complicated spec" for all of TWW

timid idol
cinder relic
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It was mega auto pilost

river wing
random stirrup
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and symbols had a variable usage for second dance of blades where you may cast it at different times

river wing
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simply because it had those buttons

cinder relic
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U can split up, and add 5 buttons to any spec, it doesn't make it that exciting

random stirrup
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again these arent big things but they are small little changes

gaunt phoenix
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kir at 2 if you're about to run dry

random stirrup
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places where some modicum of niche can happen

cinder relic
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I was saying it earlier in the sub channel but I find the sequencing to make sure your sectec gets into blades to be not like, "easy"

livid kindle
cinder relic
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I wouldnt say its hard but like

cinder relic
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Sub didn't do anything smart for all of TWW after shadowdust got removed

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Which I don't mind

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I enjoy easy specs tbqh

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easy specs are fun garf_sit

livid kindle
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i mean thats what i am saying and referring to shadowdust part which i liked and hated that it was removed because its limits decision making

river wing
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sub is v nice for solo content

elder sonnet
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just read zac's post

river wing
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you just run into a boss and remove half their face in 3 seconds then do it again once SecTech comes off CD