You both had the same chance to win, that’s fair
#outlaw
fathom bramble
soft abyss
your chances are equal to the other's
fathom bramble
But it’s not equal since everyone can get a diff outcome
soft abyss
you don't have the same outcome
it is not a matter of equality though
anyway no point in arguing semantics
pastel sierra
So it would be fair if i roll gaze on chimmy in my raid group that EVERYONE else in my raid also just uses their bonus roll and gets gaze guaranteed?
Bc thats the same outcome
So fairer?
river wing
So it would be fair if i roll gaze on chimmy in my raid group that EVERYONE else...
again, like I said
boss drops are a weird part of this that I'm not sure how to resolve in the current context
but what I'm arguing against is introducing another RNG system on top of existing RNG
which is already present with both drops and vault
pastel sierra
Is it fair that i have more mythic pieces than my raid logging friend that doesnt do m+ so my bonus roll pool has less upgrades than his? Why am i punished for having a better character?
river wing
Is it fair that i have more mythic pieces than my raid logging friend that doesn...
again
this could have been fully solved if it didn't work the way voidcores do
river wing
just buying an item feels so wrong
idk
you killed the boss X times, you put in the requisite effort, you get the thing
reward commensurate with that investment
river wing
no, because someone can kill Chim 1 time and roll gaze
pastel sierra
But i couldve rolled it earlier, the same way I CAN JUST WIN THE LOOT ROLL ON THE ITEM WHEN IT DROPS
thats also unfair right
river wing
functionally yes
like I said three times by now
I am not really squaring it against actual boss drops
just against the system itself which is meaninglessly random for something that's supposed to be BLP/more deterministic
buoyant stratus
@keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry @keen belfry
lethal relic
No please, not like this
marsh raft
eh just run sub
lethal relic
NSFW tag please
marsh raft
youll be fiiiine!
cinder relic
Omg
jovial dome
Even before the nerf. Sadge
buoyant stratus
hahah
cinder relic
LOL
random stirrup
DONOWALLED ME BRO
ill have you know guy invited me to his maisara caverns
u just dont have that power lil bro
gaunt phoenix
omg guy :3
buoyant stratus
im with awang 🙂
cinder relic
Man I was gonna setup outlaw, but then they are nerfing it, and then they are buffing sub, and then we are doing sales next reset like
The world is just out to get me
pastel sierra
Insane luck
buoyant stratus
hes built so powerful
pastel sierra
Is that one rolle higher than 2?
cinder meadow
took a break after season 1 tww, this new iteration of outlaw feel clunky as fuck or just me?
river wing
Is that one rolle higher than 2?
no, that'd be 1oaK
you can't keep up LD if you only get 2s, even if you KiR every time you can
that's part of why RtB 3 feels so good - you are guaranteed to have LD when it's over
unless there's ridic downtime
past falcon
unless there's ridic downtime
river wing
<a:HUH:1045100110008307712>
ridiculous
not pointed at you broski
past falcon
ik im meming
river wing
who pinged me
my bad zac, I misclicked the reply
vivid vessel
fuck you !
foggy cove
If my group can consistently kill m chim should I prioritize rolling there instead of mythic+ dungeons
desert tendon
timid idol
what aura would they even need to give us for it to be a buff like sub's
also
can i literally use every single outlaw item -weapons -trinkets and play sin like that?
i see they also do crit>haste but they use head tierset over legs?
or is it completely irrelevant
cause i might just hop on sin and farm trinkets and daggers if this doesn't get changed at all before reset
frail veldt
what aura would they even need to give us for it to be a buff like sub's
for the aura buff to outweigh the trickster nerf?
like 10% roughly
frail veldt
yeah it was never gona happen
what they did to pvp outlaw is even worse
the pve aura buff doesnt apply
AND they got a 5% aura NERF
and a 15% bte nerf
on top of all the cloud changes lol
almost like 20% overall
quaint mauve
<@177964030474977281> <@177964030474977281> <@177964030474977281> <@177964030474...
all awang does is get gapped sadly.
craggy barn
yeah it was never gona happen
did they do something similar to feral when it was giga op in pvp last expac
timid idol
like 10% roughly
thats about as much as i was thinking as well
craggy barn
i dont remember what season it was op af
timid idol
at this point this expansion has been the most dogshit mess all over the board
but i have the slightest faintest hope that they make it 10%
they prob wont so i will just play sin with my otl gear
frail veldt
did they do something similar to feral when it was giga op in pvp last expac
not that I know of
I think they dont realize that they already excluded the aura buff from pvp
craggy barn
did they do something similar when DH was giga op in tww pvp
frail veldt
they left ret giga op for a whole season
craggy barn
insane
frail veldt
ive never seen them come down this hard
frail veldt
that season? yeah
craggy barn
they really dont want outlaw to be good anywhere
frail veldt
that was the most broken any spec has ever been
craggy barn
imagine if the idea is that outlaw should be the casual spec
whilst being the hardest of all 3 LOL
timid idol
you say this yet sub scares me the most
craggy barn
why
timid idol
maybe not anymore after this braindead prune in midnight
but i remember back in like
shadowlands?
frail veldt
they really dont want outlaw to be good anywhere
for reference this is where outlaw is for 2200+ in solo shuffle rn
craggy barn
lol
frail veldt
20% nerf
timid idol
i tried looking up a sub guide and i saw a gargantuan image of how cds line in an opener
frail veldt
🙂
craggy barn
u dont get it mewo
timid idol
and i closed the page instantly
craggy barn
its low pop
but also every match in awc
therefore
nerf
like in pve
low pop
but above average
too high for casual level of play
needs to be dumpster
timid idol
not like the other rogue specs are getting too much love
craggy barn
cant have it be FOTM incase outlaw BFA
timid idol
but i agree
frail veldt
AWC isnt ladder though lol
craggy barn
dont want people to FOTM outlaw because its too hard
timid idol
paying for sins from 30 years ago
frail veldt
no I got you
frail veldt
way yeah
craggy barn
covid was shadowlands
frail veldt
covid was during SL
wintry solar
They show clear bias so you're not really wrong
wintry solar
I moved out of the house in 8.3 and had to get off my dad's account
craggy barn
theres a clear goal of outlaw not allowed to be strong
timid idol
0 responsabilities just outlaw daily
craggy barn
but the exact reason is shrug
timid idol
bfa was shit xpac for many but maybe bcs i associate it with ez highschool lifestyle it kinda has a spot in my heart for me
and outlaw being good was giga + of course
wintry solar
I like the grinding and borrowed power personally
timid idol
borrowed power was ok imo
not the best not the worst
but people went ham on it
the only real bad system of that time was titanforging
that shit was dog
wintry solar
Felt like I always had something to do. I def didnt hang out in the player hub as much as I do now lol
craggy barn
power acquisition during borrowed power / systems era was dog
azerite armor was awful
the specific nodes were fine
just the gear it self was kinda bleh
cinder relic
BFA good
timid idol
maybe it was and wits was just brainwashing me
elder sonnet
anybody here has blizzard pull to convince them to revert the nerfs?
wintry solar
Yeah I hated how they had all this cool borrowed power but made aquiring them super cringe.
craggy barn
corruptions were neat, acquistion was rough af
timid idol
anybody here has blizzard pull to convince them to revert the nerfs?
no lol
craggy barn
crucible probably was the best bp system they had in bfa from the get go? i dont remember if acquisition was bad
timid idol
speaking of blizzard pull
wintry solar
Benth armor tho
timid idol
i remember when guy had to ask for a wowhead post just so that we can have the most insane bug fixed 
craggy barn
lol
mighty pivot
anybody here has blizzard pull to convince them to revert the nerfs?
yes @wintry solar is the outlaw dev (I hope that explains the random-ass changes)
craggy barn
we need another wowhead article explaining how weird this outlaw nerf is
timid idol
i really wonder if blizz would have ever fixed it if not for the wowhead post
wintry solar
yes <@530563212093947914> is the outlaw dev (I hope that explains the random-ass...
I nerfed it because people kept complaining
craggy barn
shrug they probably wouldve
wintry solar
So I gave them something to complain about
craggy barn
the wowhead post just gave eyes to non rogue discord
wintry solar
Well maybe don't cry about a buff
timid idol
So I gave them something to complain about
your logic makes more sense than the cloud cover rework into nerf next patch
its that bad
mighty pivot
no worries they will aura buff by 3% a week after
wintry solar
Anyways I'm leveling a ret now, tauren prolly
river wing
the wowhead post just gave eyes to non rogue discord
wut
timid idol
i was thinking between ret or survival
wintry solar
Gonna see what it's like on the other end of balance
timid idol
but then i realized i have to pay for pots, crafted, and all that shit again
so i'd rather just play sin
and farm trinkets
wintry solar
i was thinking between ret or survival
If you only pve I'd do surv, a lot more fun than ret. I already have a ret but it's belf and that's dumb
river wing
oh, that
timid idol
If you only pve I'd do surv, a lot more fun than ret. I already have a ret but i...
i really dont have money for another set of crafteds+enchants+gems and whatnot
and pots
ill just stick to sin and it is what it is
timid idol
eagerly awaiting for the next patch were dk doesnt have a top of the game spec
raw bridge
opinions?
timid idol
might happen next time the solar system alligns
wintry solar
I'm eagerly waiting for when dk is as busted in pvp as it is in pve 
raw bridge
@copper radish reason? im curious lol
long bramble
copper radish
<@913956782961995796> reason? im curious lol
Just a bit too spaced for me lmao
wintry solar
Wtffff
cinder relic
@fluid iron
mighty pivot
gnome -> blender
cinder relic
The vision is I used to play smite and I have my UI like this in that game too
raw bridge
@copper radish yeah Im figuring that part out
raw bridge
No dancing cat gifs?
im not playing druid so no
wintry solar
No peeps?????
raw bridge
smite was fun until you get a lecture about pronouncing a god name wrong by a wannabe history teacher
raw bridge
same
raw bridge
dl is too unique to skip
timid idol
frfr
cinder relic
How it feels to be E5
timid idol
lol i wish
raw bridge
no you dont
timid idol
im not that good
raw bridge
my friend is, we cant play to say the least LOL
timid idol
im barely phantom, im scrub
raw bridge
any of yall sticking outlaw out?
wintry solar
Out of a moving train yeah
grim spear
i genuinely really like this cloud cover
grim spear
it's one of the rare things that actually feels like a rogue ability, even if it doesn't perfectly fit outlaw's theme.
craggy barn
idk it fits outlaw theme
timid idol
and apparently the mistake was a better decision than the actual balance
craggy barn
fighting in a cloud of dust is very outlawish
timid idol
all they had to do was not touch it at all
craggy barn
bandit/outlaw/pirate sorta shit
grim spear
dropping a smoke bomb and striking from the blind spot, it's very batman
timid idol
i genuinely dont understand why are we even touching trickster
just give sub it's aura buff and thats it
its legit baffling
grim spear
both the flavor and the visual feel are way better than the vanish or shadow dance stuff we had before
timid idol
it's one of the rare things that actually feels like a rogue ability, even if it...
its ok-ish for theme
but we're past that point
after legion and bfa they killed all of the unique shit specs had
for "class identity"
most dogshit decision ever imo
spec identity>class identity any day
outlaw uses poisons and for what
they do 3 damage and they dont fit the theme
so i dont have fun with them at all
glass mortar
poisons are supposed to be rogues utility
they just suck
because for some reason the class with the least utility in the game also has piss weak utility poisons
hasty fable
playing around a fartcloud is antithesis to outlaw for me... it's always been about freedom of movement and up-front abilities/damage...
timid idol
warlocks have the same shit as poisons except way better no?
glass mortar
yes
timid idol
curses are more or less the same thing
raw bridge
Im 3 weeks into wow and out of the 6 characters ive leveled i cant get enough of outlaw. Maybe its because im new, idk
glass mortar
every attack speed slow is better then numbing
warlocks is way better
its hilarious
pretty sure warlocks is as good as our shivved numbing effect all the time
timid idol
Im 3 weeks into wow and out of the 6 characters ive leveled i cant get enough of...
i mean it is fun
cinder relic
Im 3 weeks into wow and out of the 6 characters ive leveled i cant get enough of...
Its fun!
timid idol
and the gameplay will always be fun
raw bridge
warlocks are cool but I hate the sluggishness of moving it seems
timid idol
but it depends on how your enjoyment will feel after you see everyone top your dps and you not getting any invites
after these nerfs
grim spear
honestly, rogue should just be merged into two specs at this point
one is the gunpowder + sword pirate theme, the other is the dagger + poison + cloak assasin theme
twilit axle
both the flavor and the visual feel are way better than the vanish or shadow dan...
I really enjoyed the stealth window playstyle back in DF
timid idol
honestly, rogue should just be merged into two specs at this point
one is the gu...
and make a 3rd tank one?
++++ i agree
craggy barn
dw aohajin
timid idol
get me out of dps prison
twilit axle
It was very fast paced and interactive
timid idol
give me fast queues
craggy barn
they are gonna turn outlaw into tank spec in last titan
timid idol
they are gonna turn outlaw into tank spec in last titan
BRO
craggy barn
imagine vanish as a tank ability
timid idol
i was legit gonna say this
craggy barn
timid idol
i mean
they made bubble useful
as a tank
they can make something for vanish
like vanish leaves a decoy dummy that taunts everyone
ala niuzao
craggy barn
ye
timid idol
or w.e his name is
craggy barn
lots of things they can do if theyd do it
raw bridge
a tank that never tanks
raw bridge
just drops hella clones to do it and build threat
wintry solar
Y'all are just as bad as the ranged tank people lol
grim spear
and make a 3rd tank one?
the third can be tank ,or a ranged spec
raw bridge
@wintry solar never said it would be a good idea haha
timid idol
the third can be tank ,or a ranged spec
i'd play the shit out of ranged outlaw
i suggested this once
outlaw like fury but ranged
grim spear
having hunter being the only physical ranged class is strange
timid idol
double gun
raw bridge
@grim spear agreed
wintry solar
having hunter being the only physical ranged class is strange
Is it? It's niche
grim spear
I really enjoyed the stealth window playstyle back in DF
vanish + subterfuge doesn't feel nearly as right as the smoke bomb does
if it were this smoke bomb + crackshot, i think that'd be so cool
raw bridge
@wintry solar so I can use a gun on outlaw as an ability but not a weapon, its kind of weird
wintry solar
Different applications though
raw bridge
gta inventory
fathom bramble
the game is just not setup to support a new weapon type like that
they should not have even added glaives either
raw bridge
hunters have guns
twilit axle
vanish + subterfuge doesn't feel nearly as right as the smoke bomb does
if it we...
Flavor-wise and theme-wise I would agree with you. Gameplay-wise I think DF outlaw flowed really nice.
fathom bramble
and you can't wear them because they are all giant and 2handed
wintry solar
they should not have even added glaives either
Yeah I've been of this opinion and it's so lame
What exactly does it add?
To the uninitiated, that question means besides a new weapon class
timid idol
vanish + subterfuge doesn't feel nearly as right as the smoke bomb does
if it we...
i think underhanded turned vanish into a shit thematic abillity for outlaw into a really good one imo
raw bridge
why are glaives so bad?
last sierra
wintry solar
why are glaives so bad?
Only DH uses them
raw bridge
fair, I think it would be cool for rogue
timid idol
and you can't wear them because they are all giant and 2handed
i mean
just make titan grip but for guns
wintry solar
Just
fathom bramble
that doesn't remove the reasons why it would look ridiculous to wear theem
timid idol
dassit thats the passive
timid idol
that doesn't remove the reasons why it would look ridiculous to wear theem
ok i agree with this but
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> get ur war ready
278
timid idol
yea idk, they refuse to give this spec any sort of attention, maybe if it was ranged it would magically get the ranged love all rangeds get
timid idol
i think spriest is the worst ranged overall no?
dont remember many times it was good
everyone else has always been good for a while at some point
fathom bramble
why are glaives so bad?
new weapon type only useable by 1 spec introduces a lot of weirdness with loot tables. almost every raid since thee addition of DH has had a mace in it just to add a 1h agi wep that demon hunters can't use. there is also the obvious issues of glaives dropping in general when only 1 player in your raid can use theem
clear zephyr
how is outlaw after this nerf? A quiet unexpected nerf btw.
fathom bramble
while that problem obviously existed with hunters already we didn't really need more of it
timid idol
devastation and devourer too new, mage always has some spec at the top, warlock as well, hunter usually has mm or bm at the top, after nerfs this is the first time in idk when i don't see a hunter at the top
random stirrup
new weapon type only useable by 1 spec introduces a lot of weirdness with loot t...
how is this different from daggers, pre surv hunter stuff
timid idol
boomie used to be really good for a long time
fathom bramble
it's not
and we should be moving away from 1 class weps
not further towards them
raw bridge
@fathom bramble good point
random stirrup
fair point
timid idol
while that problem obviously existed with hunters already we didn't really need ...
but wouldnt another spec that uses guns aleviate that issue?>
at least a bit
raw bridge
how is this different from daggers, pre surv hunter stuff
in other words fck daggers too
fathom bramble
I don't think there is a reasonable vision for rogue using equipable guns
and outlaw definitly should not be wearing full size long guns
raw bridge
I was thinking dual pistols or even more accurate to the spec off-hand only pistol
timid idol
just mog to small guns like the mugzee one
also
wouldn't double crossbow look cool as shit
like d3 demon hunter
raw bridge
0 logic in double crossbow lol
raw bridge
gotta put one weapon down each bolt loaded
raw bridge
W glaze?
fathom bramble
also if you let another spec use guns, but not crossbows/bows then you need every raid to have 2 guns and no bows/crossbows forever
which seems kind of silly
timid idol
also if you let another spec use guns, but not crossbows/bows then you need ever...
yea ok 2 bows would look really stupid
the other 2 make some sense but 2 bows is really bad
fathom bramble
although there is a secret solution lurking here that fixes all weapon loot table issues forever
legion artifacts becoming an evergreen piece of content
timid idol
im pausing
fathom bramble
you have whatever wep fits your spec
timid idol
YOOO
fathom bramble
and just equip the little runes
timid idol
HOLY GOATED TAKE
wintry solar
legion artifacts becoming an evergreen piece of content
Love that (and not because I'm a Dreadblades main)
wintry solar
I play a legion private server to get my fix
raw bridge
im so new, I have no idea wtf a legion artifact is
timid idol
meanwhile ret gets to keep wake
wintry solar
It's been great
fathom bramble
im so new, I have no idea wtf a legion artifact is
at the start of the expansion you got a wep you wore the entire time. this weapon had 3 sockets for items that dropped in a similar fashion to how weapons do.
timid idol
idk what sub had i never played that in legion
wintry solar
they added it back at some point and it was just garbage
I don't really believe it has a place with ace and fth existing
fathom bramble
those 3 sockets had aspects(fire/fel/shadow/physical) to tell you which ones were for your spec
timid idol
I don't really believe it has a place with ace and fth existing
that is true ace kinda killed db ever coming back
but it was fun going ss->finisher in legion
fathom bramble
main issues were that sockets could not bee unsocketed
wintry solar
im so new, I have no idea wtf a legion artifact is
They also came with a unique ability to your spec
fathom bramble
so eveen though sin and sub shared a shadow socket you could not move it between them
wintry solar
this entire prune xpac was a mistake
Well we normally get something cool the expansion after but this time I'm nervous that it's not the case this time
fathom bramble
yeeah
fathom bramble
well the weapon system was dropped
timid idol
Well we normally get something cool the expansion after but this time I'm nervou...
ive said this a bunch
if the last titan is not on legion levels
this saga was a massive L
fathom bramble
I think evergreen content instead of borrowed power was a mistake
timid idol
no reason to hype up this 3 xpac saga if it doesnt end at least on the same level as legion
vivid vessel
I think evergreen content instead of borrowed power was a mistake
now we are stuck with dogshit hero talents
that are litteraly the worse borrowed power we ever had
but itsn ot borrowed power
! gege
wintry solar
I just wish they would've done one more expansion with borrowed power and not make aquisition so bad
fathom bramble
warlords of dreanor passives were more interesting than hero talents
4 new ability altering passivees
wintry solar
Real
fathom bramble
that actually did something
wintry solar
Yeah
fathom bramble
yeah
vivid vessel
you know what i hate the most about hero talents lok
maybe the coolest rogue utility we ever got
with perma tricks
is tied to a hero talent
wintry solar
how did that even work
It actually had the most flow of any other combat
vivid vessel
so you cant even use it half the time cause its the bad hero talent
fathom bramble
wod combat was fun for sure
fathom bramble
revealing strike got the rework then I think
better than cata revealing strike for sure
fathom bramble
I mean wod combat was actually pretty okay
for like the skill level I had at the time it was fun
idk if no ps proc just tracking redbuff is exactly up my alley anymore
wintry solar
Yeah at the time I liked it as well, but taking a step back on purpose feels troll
But
That's also when new CP comes
And that's pretty cool
fathom bramble
imagine how rogue would be now that dungeons matter so much more
with old CP
0 playrate
wintry solar
Old CP with crackshot lolol
I don't think I've ever been more curious about a blizzard event than the one in September because there's so much in the air right now.
fathom bramble
apex is actually a bad version of the wod passives
timid idol
yea true
fathom bramble
reminder for anyone that didn't play 15 years ago that while leveling in wod you got 4 passives for your spec in a random order
or more than 4 I think
timid idol
did not play wod sadly
i thought about trying mists classic just to see combat rogue
besides the red green passive thing what other abillities did it have?
like what did it have instead of pistol shot
and all the other outlaw themed abillities
im assuming the red/green thing was rtb's replacement?
and we still had adr?
fathom bramble
red/green was kind of just gone
RTB replaced SND
gameplay wise I guess you could consider RTB as having replaced red/greeen though since it was the new tracking focal point
fathom bramble
I don't think guile had a direct replacement in the outlaw rework
buoyant cosmos
Guile was the level up debuff right?
wintry solar
Yeah
fathom bramble
biggest changes were reveelaing strike getting replaced with pistol shot and the extra chance to generate a combo point on a target effected by it just getting rolled into SS double hits
buoyant cosmos
was about to explode
fathom bramble
and RTB being added to the game
snow stratus
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
cinder relic
Legion was a very big deal for spec designs overall
A lot of the legion redesigns are still a part of how specs work today
Outlaw, sub, survival, demo
craggy barn
every spec got a new resource isntead of just mana
fathom bramble
even if it was just charges of a specific spell too
they made it kind of like a resource
timid idol
biggest changes were reveelaing strike getting replaced with pistol shot and the...
wait so bte was just new
or
fathom bramble
oh right
at the etime BTE was just a ranged stun that did a small amount of damage
timid idol
it was still bte?
fathom bramble
it reeplaced kidney shot and without legendaries was just used for the stun
fathom bramble
when legion released
timid idol
ye that i remember
bte was a stun at first
i member when you had to use it on mobs in pool affix
fathom bramble
good times
without greenskins though you just treated it the same way we treat kidney right now at the start of legion
though greenskins was bis so you eventually wanted it ofc
except in aoe because BF didn't copy gun skills yet
does remembering how to play a version of the spec from 11 years ago indicate that I've played wow too much/long ? 🤔
wintry solar
Meeee
fathom bramble
Meeee
some of these old notes are wild
I actually forgot subterfuge use to do that
wintry solar
Yeah rogue hate was justified lol
timid idol
people would just die to nothing? 
fathom bramble
totally fair
wintry solar
people would just die to nothing? <:OMEGALUL:1057373226604441700>
Pm
timid idol
did... they create spectral sight specifically because of the rogue hate from this time?
wintry solar
Possibly
timid idol
like i can't see any reason for spectral sight existing except for flavor
but its like such a specific hard counter
always made me feel weird about dh in my few pvps played
wintry solar
Now we sometimes get invis mobs in dungeons
wintry solar
Yeah brackenhide
craggy barn
hunter flare and dh sight are rog hard counters if u cant deal with them fast enough
fathom bramble
did... they create spectral sight specifically because of the rogue hate from th...
I don't think so. I think it was just a fitting thing to add to a spec that is in theory blind
timid idol
i only played season 1
wintry solar
ye of the recent xpacs i didnt really play df
You missed nothing imo.
fathom bramble
some mechanical way to show the world the way Demonhunters always see it
craggy barn
flavor shit that also counters rog stealth
timid idol
some mechanical way to show the world the way Demonhunters always see it
weird anti fun counter in bgs i tell u that much
fathom bramble
okay but it is also funny as hell to grapple-sap a DH that is using sight
timid idol
i doubt ferals like it either
fathom bramble
which is better than them not having it
craggy barn
okay but it is also funny as hell to grapple-sap a DH that is using sight
yea
i love getting dh's before they can do anything in pvp
gaunt phoenix
Season 1 df was pretty cool game felt radically different a bit with flying and professions
gaunt phoenix
Was interesting directly out of shadowlands to see where the game was going
wintry solar
I think the drop off was too big
fathom bramble
I definitely likeed all of SL
DF*
new guild I joined for DF and am still in has been amazing too
wintry solar
Grinding was half the game and they took out grinding
I'm still trying to figure out what to do when I log in
fathom bramble
I find my things to grind and play other games or just do other stuff now
timid idol
i think i had fun with that df season
fathom bramble
it's comfy
timid idol
razsageth was fun
but the overall story was eh and my premades also quit at that time
so i didnt play the rest of the xpac
tww after s1 was baller tho
gaunt phoenix
I really loved preseason df with farming rares and dirt lol
timid idol
s1 was bugslop that i've seen a million times before
wintry solar
I don't have a reason to play until late season when there's all the catch-up gear and borrowed power
timid idol
undermine coolest zone ever
my fav with pirate part of tiragarde
freehold quests were so good
flynn was a cool guy too
fathom bramble
undermine was definitely the best patch zone in years
fathom bramble
I still need the housing stuff from it to make my trash heap though
I'll go back soon™
gaunt phoenix
tww s2 is my fav patch oat
i might say nighthold, antorus, or eternal palace
as favorite tiers/seasons
timid idol
i was kind of a newb in legion
and i think i started fairly late as well
i only got antorus
so i can't say much
overall the expansion seemed cool
wintry solar
I enlisted in the military during legion so I didn't get a whole lot of that
timid idol
but i definitely got a little sick of green by the end of it
wintry solar
Got enough though
timid idol
2nd part of murder row is a nice nostalgia trip
but seeing those green/yellow pools again
irks me a little
wintry solar
2nd part of murder row is a nice nostalgia trip
Hook, line, and sinker
I can't believe they dropped the ball so hard for legion remix
timid idol
i thought it was ok
gaunt phoenix
there's a parallel universe where wow ended at legion
timid idol
iirc HO was best on remix no? that was another fun nostalgia trip
anyone remember ho?
wintry solar
You would imagine artifact recolors would be an obvious addition
wintry solar
anyone remember ho?
Legion had HO
timid idol
i dont think there are final talent choices as bad as outlaw
wintry solar
Kinda
timid idol
with a crippled ho that doesnt even work anymore and the shitty -5 cd on bte
i dare u to search for a final talent as bad as those
wintry solar
Ambush guaranteed your next SS to proc opp
gaunt phoenix
fast action was interesting cuz we all thought it sounded good on beta feelscraft
but then it just wasn't
timid idol
fr? but its just 5 seconds
glass mortar
tfw it gives half the cdr of a finisher
timid idol
if it was 10 i could see a difference in cast count
glass mortar
also zero in just gets cannibalized
gaunt phoenix
it's still 10% more bte casts
glass mortar
unlucky
timid idol
isnt that kinda low
vivid vessel
fr? but its just 5 seconds
its cause these things usually snowball for outlaw
more cdr is more cdr
etc
timid idol
i agree but this one really feels too low even for a scenario like that
glass mortar
i mean
its probably losing 1-2% just because of zero in antisynergy
wonky ass design we have this expac
timid idol
yea lol
idk this prune was done so fucking badly
and it all started bcs of reddit crying about addons
idk man
wintry solar
idk this prune was done so fucking badly
They usually do CC and utility too, that's what makes me nervous this time around
glass quartz
how's fatebound vs trickster looking so far how much % is fb behind?
vivid vessel
its probably losing 1-2% just because of zero in antisynergy
2% worse than acro rn
lone hedge
2% worse than acro rn
zac how bad is the nerfs
timid idol
i genuinely feel like they found a decent design with underhanded
lone hedge
are we gonna be waiting in queue for a long time
vivid vessel
zac how bad is the nerfs
its pinned
lone hedge
again
vivid vessel
i mean
timid idol
idk how many people liked it
vivid vessel
mid spec get nerfed
timid idol
but tww s3 was fun for me
vivid vessel
idk what player perception is gonna be
timid idol
i found underhanded gameplay cool and fun
vivid vessel
but its not gonna be good
wintry solar
i found underhanded gameplay cool and fun
It was fine but it lasted too long imo
timid idol
god save this spec cause blizzard sure as hell wont
timid idol
yea
i liked perma ar gameplay
gcds be damned
member class identity that blizzard loves over spec identity?
they finally found a way to make vanish good for outlaw without breaking outlaw's theme
and now vanish is once again a dead abillity
wintry solar
member class identity that blizzard loves over spec identity?
Crazy how it all went downhill after that
timid idol
actually scratch that
stealth is dead for this spec
does anyone actually restealth
its legit worthless on otl no?
or am i tripping
glass quartz
20% ms
wintry solar
Tripping
timid idol
crazy
wintry solar
I like to open with cheap shot to preserve the feeling of being a rogue
timid idol
ages since i last sapped a target in a dungeon too
ages since i did a shroud skip too...
mighty pivot
introduce an M- mode which requires you to CC mobs in every pack and kill them in order 
raw bridge
ages since i did a shroud skip too...
The exact reason im a gnome
wintry solar
introduce an M- mode which requires you to CC mobs in every pack and kill them i...
You excited about heroic world difficulty
mighty pivot
what will that even do? I am either in silvermoon or in a dungeon/raid
wintry solar
Mobs have affixes and do more damage
mighty pivot
I know that it is, I mean I won't interact with it
toxic galleon
is outlaw m+ cooked
mighty pivot
I bet you they will drop like 20 marl or something terrible anyway
raw bridge
You excited about heroic world difficulty
500 man world boss oh god
timid idol
500 man world boss oh god
lol
next veldt
introduce an M- mode which requires you to CC mobs in every pack and kill them i...
hello, cataclysm is calling
timid idol
this game cannot handle like
40 man warmode pvp
a 500 man gathering in warmode would genuinely blackout servers at blizz hq
mighty pivot
hello, cataclysm is calling
more like tbc (when sap was 90% to put you back in stealth or 10% that you die)
raw bridge
oryx on crack
timid idol
rotmg enjyer 
raw bridge
I saw your mutual server when we spoke about dl, had to see if you'd recognize the reff.
wintry solar
Idk why I checked as if it'd help me get it
timid idol
i saw 12 mutual servers on popo i was like holy shit
and then its just the class discords
wintry solar
I may dabble in PoE on my sofa when it rains 
raw bridge
peak vibe right there
wintry solar
That's also the only time I play it lol
mighty pivot
and then its just the class discords
dunno I also share Cat Emotes with him
raw bridge
this mf
mighty pivot
ok but soon you will be a ret main
wintry solar
I changed my mind, someone told me not to
mighty pivot
so you will be in the ret channels instead
raw bridge
@timid idol what region?
raw bridge
oh no
wintry solar
:(
mighty pivot
m*ge players are banned in here
raw bridge
^
wintry solar
Just offtopic
wintry solar
I checked that
timid idol
and it was chatted about in here alot
timid idol
specifically this outlaw channel lol
raw bridge
does outlaw have a stereotype I didnt know about?
vapid sundial
does outlaw have a stereotype I didnt know about?
adhd
raw bridge
im cooked
mighty pivot
also being forever single
raw bridge
also being forever single
jus u gng
vapid sundial
mighty pivot
pillow gfs don't count
vapid sundial
goal post moving goes crazy
wintry solar
does outlaw have a stereotype I didnt know about?
Outlaws in the PvP channel call Devourer "weener" now
If that tells you anything
raw bridge
Outlaws in the PvP channel call Devourer "weener" now
fck I picked the wrong spec
vapid sundial
the stereotype is not getting invited to keeps
bc the last outlaw they invited was garbage
wintry solar
Reroll, we all have weeners
vapid sundial
so u get judged based on it
frail veldt
does outlaw have a stereotype I didnt know about?
jacked chads
raw bridge
jacked chads
finally, not a pussy
mighty pivot
explain why popo has a belly as if he is 8 months preggers then
raw bridge
this disc filled with cries
timid idol
finally, not a pussy
thats feral
raw bridge
gotta be real, I joined this disc bc I heard about the outlaw nerf and everyone was acting like their nuts fell off lol
i get it tho
havent been around long enough to hate blizz enough other than d4
wintry solar
explain why popo has a belly as if he is 8 months preggers then
I build strength
Peak condition requires belly
vapid sundial
gotta be real, I joined this disc bc I heard about the outlaw nerf and everyone ...
Bc the spec is perpetually garbage
Thats why people freaked out
mighty pivot
I build strength
jaw strength mostly
raw bridge
yeah I know, im still gonna play it tho
vapid sundial
ngl
since i stopped playing wow i feel so much happier
not having to play this mistreated spec
mighty pivot
I won't win this because I need to eep
pearl ocean
wintry solar
I won't win this because I need to eep
Thoughts?
mighty pivot
cool
wintry solar
Cool
mighty pivot
although swords will look off with this
wintry solar
I didn't think about that, yeah
mighty pivot
maybe a sabre can work
grave rose
although swords will look off with this
The cutlasses like the one of jaina might work
mighty pivot
those are a bit too chonky dunno
wintry solar
There are some less flashy swords that could work from the trader post
I forget their name unfortunately
They look more like daggers tbh
strange kelp
not having to play this mistreated spec
Yet mans still hangs out in disc just to feel the abuse second hand
mighty pivot
I wish we had some more normal looking sabres, everything is comically long or fat
raw bridge
I wish we had some more normal looking sabres, everything is comically long or f...
more than half the weapons are bigger than my gnome
mighty pivot
ok but you're a gnome, what did you expect
raw bridge
you're right, its just funny to me
vapid sundial
Yet mans still hangs out in disc just to feel the abuse second hand
i hang out in OT and d4 chat mainly
but i do have a lot of friends her
mighty pivot
some swords are bigger than orcs. like the secret appearance of the dreadblades
and those plunderstorm ones too
a curved cavalry sabre would work with the cowboy set
raw bridge
i hang out in OT and d4 chat mainly
know of any wow discs I can join to talk to people? most of them im in everyone is anti social af
raw bridge
i know how to engage lol, nobody is in the damn vcs
wintry solar
YOU ENTER VC FIRST
raw bridge
no
wintry solar
I DONT THINK YOU WANT IT
raw bridge
cant believe outlaw got nerfed guys
scares the posers away
raw bridge
are you a popo?
wintry solar
Popo=poop
I misread that
I was, that's where my name came from but it stuck when I left
strange kelp
cant believe outlaw got nerfed guys
You did too much, should of thrown more keys
raw bridge
I was gonna say, that would be pretty ironic considering your spec
wintry solar
They don't pay here
wintry solar
Wrestling with crackheads for $10.25 an hour 💀
wintry solar
so you became an outlaw in wow
I was outlaw before
raw bridge
id wrestle a crackhead for a beer any day
wintry solar
They have needles on them sometimes :(
raw bridge
free world buff
wintry solar
I took an apprenticeship for that back in highschool
raw bridge
i dated some old mans daughter and he taught me the trade for 6 years
raw bridge
im not positive about it but ill always have a job if I need it
I wanna do something that promotes traveling
wintry solar
Have you thought about welding?
raw bridge
yeah, not for me
wintry solar
I welded once and it didn't go well
raw bridge
too tedious
id end up welding my hand to something so its not a good idea
do you still play wow often?
wintry solar
All the time
raw bridge
na or eu?
wintry solar
Na
wintry solar
How's the ping
raw bridge
130-145
wintry solar
Ewww
raw bridge
im still top of charts 99% of time and theres no felt delay
wintry solar
I'd play with @mighty pivot because he's EU but he'd never play with the likes of me 
raw bridge
my Norwegian friend convinced me to start on his server since thats the only person I play with on this so far
@mighty pivot realm?
wintry solar
He sleepin
raw bridge
oops
wintry solar
Don't oops. He'll be alright
raw bridge
didnt say sorry haha
plush grove
Anybody else fighting for their lives in 19s/20s as outlaw? Lol
wide flare
idk did tries on seat 18 yesterday already getting blasted
raw bridge
Anybody else fighting for their lives in 19s/20s as outlaw? Lol
wait a couple of days, you'll be fighting for an invite
wide flare
the lack of versa and fewer evasions is definitely felt this season
we're squishy..
and cloud nerf is going to make it worse
on top of less dps, we take more damage
frail veldt
How much dps is shaman buff worth in m+?
gaunt phoenix
6%?
bright lodge
I just woke up and thought I dreamed that last tuning
drifting burrow
floral crown
I just woke up and thought I dreamed that last tuning
Considering there's no justification for it, I don't fault you
Guess they have started using LLM's to do the balancing since it worked so well to replace their customer support with them
gaunt phoenix
5 target
craggy barn
jeezus
i seriously think they should just move the auto attack buff away from skyfury
and give it to us
craggy barn
i mean yea
ideally
but idk if that will happen
so
raid buffs and racials needa either be flexible or gone
in keys
outer meteor
Awangawan
craggy barn
wang gave up on rog huh
keen belfry
nono
echo tapir
we staying trickster?
trail sparrow
do you guys topping charts rn ?
covert harness
charts of sadness
trail sparrow
thats for sure
just wondering where the nerf is coming from, rarely see an outlaw topping any charts, in m+ atleast
peak dock
just wondering where the nerf is coming from, rarely see an outlaw topping any c...
Blizz don't like outlaw
trail sparrow
sadge
craggy barn
its out performing the normal raid specs in raid
trail sparrow
I dont want do spread bleeds guys
craggy barn
so
trail sparrow
this more fun
craggy barn
well, not crazy compared to every other class
above average
crazy compared to where it was before
vapid sundial
idk dont think they want outlaw to be this good
there was something said by @vivid vessel
the last two times outlaw was tgood
was unintended
