Yes but people love to cry
#outlaw
clever wasp
spark forum
yea but it's good for rogue, feels like blizz doesn't know what to do with this class
pine scaffold
"best state rogue has been" is not same as in a good state tbh
best spec is 200 io below
pastel cloud
tbh with current version of outlaw i would enjoy Hidden Opportunity
spark forum
numbers can be tuned but for the longest time rogue was easily the clunkiest most button bloated pos class
and it tanked the playrate massively for a reason
pine scaffold
Yes i know, i've been playing outlaw for ages
clunkiest, no. Since the rotation was actually making sense and it flowed kinda nice
glossy wind
they buff outlaw again ?!
pine scaffold
no?
glossy wind
kk thx
pine scaffold
Im interested where they took this data and was thinking that the nerf is justified
outlaw is ONLY working in m+ with a melee comp
fathom bramble
nerfed by more than any other spec so idk
it would seem to indicate that they either didn't do the math on the change
or think we are the best spec in the game
pine scaffold
and still performs approx 10% worse than the other 2 specs within the group
formal knot
unkempt dew
I don’t care about raiding I just want it to be a blast in m+
pine scaffold
NOTE: only in overall, and overall should be checked as the prio dmg and single target is good, but anyways 
quick girder
pine scaffold
shouldn't be*
fathom bramble
I mean pvp has their own balance changes/team
spark forum
They made pvp specific changes along with pve this time around
so don't think that's the case
fathom bramble
Course i’m always down to blame pvpers anyway
pine scaffold
XD
wintry solar
Course i’m always down to blame pvpers anyway
We do the same to y'all dw
fathom bramble
Good
wintry solar
Even though we're justified 
trim harbor
"best state rogue has been" is not same as in a good state tbh
what do you mean, you can pick up all three specs in any content and have them be viable i dont understand
wintry solar
Because tbf PvP is the reason we haven't been getting new glyphs
trim harbor
they are clueless with rouge but compared to tww rouge is in a good spot
wintry solar
So we're tit for tat
fathom bramble
The massively subjective “viable” and “any content” are doing some heavy lifting there
pine scaffold
what do you mean, you can pick up all three specs in any content and have them b...
I am just saying that your logic is kinda off. Just because it is better than before doesn't mean it's in a "good spot"
fathom bramble
We were in a better spot most of tww than we have been in this tier
pine scaffold
It is actually in a good spot, dont get me wrong, but BARELY
fathom bramble
It is actually in a good spot, dont get me wrong, but BARELY
And only thanks to a seemingly accidental buff that is quickly getting adjusted
restive bluff
pine scaffold
3,6% dmg reduction 
trim harbor
It is actually in a good spot, dont get me wrong, but BARELY
ye but in here its always portraid like rouge is the most rancid class in the game that isnt competitive in any way, like we are 5 tiers below any other class or spec
obsidian walrus
i dont get why did they even touch rogue it was not OP or anything
pine scaffold
ye but in here its always portraid like rouge is the most rancid class in the ga...
It's just emotions kicking in over pixels. I a mthe part of those peeps
pine scaffold
is tha real?
I meant we have a 3,6% dmg reduction for the group
but yes, its a nerf, check pinned
6% singe target nerf and 4% aoe
zinc briar
omfg
fervent oxide
I literally swapped from sub to outlaw and they pull this shit
silk stirrup
That's what you get for fotm rerolling
vapid salmon
I think those ytbers headlines like “outlaw BROKEN?!” every now and then are f*cking us
fervent oxide
Yea waste of vault mainhander 289 wep
vapid salmon
Like if devs tune thing based only on what they read on their feed
wintry solar
I literally swapped from sub to outlaw and they pull this shit
Good, get outta here
#gatekeep
fervent oxide
Good, get outta here
??
bright cedar
i blame wox and casual
releasing videos like "outlaw is so broken we timed a 21 with 17 deaths"
vapid salmon
Fun fact: I rolled a guardian Druid this week and now they are nerfing dmg by 15%
bright cedar
i rolled an aug, spent like 800k gold gearing it
vapid salmon
Maybe they are just after me 
normal hawk
Fun fact: I rolled a guardian Druid this week and now they are nerfing dmg by 15...
How could you do this
bright cedar
and did like 50 dungeons in a week to gear it
trim harbor
Fun fact: I rolled a guardian Druid this week and now they are nerfing dmg by 15...
it was hella strong ngl
vapid salmon
idk I have no clue about that bear yet
fathom bramble
releasing videos like "outlaw is so broken we timed a 21 with 17 deaths"
It’s funny because any comp with law in it would be stronger having aug instead
And aug isn’t getting a 6%
bright cedar
yeah
trim harbor
It’s funny because any comp with law in it would be stronger having aug instead
it was burstung higher than dps specs on beloren intermission
trim harbor
And aug isn’t getting a 6%
didnt it get 5% nerf
fathom bramble
To their damaging spells
Idk the exact ratio, but obviously a lot of their dam comes from buffing allies
pine scaffold
which is actually like 2,5% nerf overall or something like that
just off the top of my head
glass shard
wasnt outlaw the worst always this xpac
fathom bramble
By most metrics it would have been considered the worst pre-cloud
keen orbit
Surely more changes coming
trim harbor
so outlaw worse than sub now?
hands diff in all cases ngl
lucid sparrow
fathom bramble
Sounds like a hunter weapon
tepid galleon
i need someone to tell me what spec to play on my rogue
trim harbor
i need someone to tell me what spec to play on my rogue
they will all perform the same next reset it seams, play what seems the most fun to you
light kernel
@tepid galleon play what u like
trim harbor
they all have pros and cons its just what pros u like more
nova coyote
manic quartz
I did zero research when i decided to level a outlaw rogue as a arms warrior main just to see myself basically playing a class with the same damage profile, thought i was gonna do burst damage lol
light kernel
@manic quartz that would be assa or sub
manic quartz
i still play arms just wanted an alt
pine scaffold
time to level up survi tbh
drifting sleet
unkempt dew
Are we having fun yet?
trim vigil
Are we having fun yet?
no
river wing
cost cutting
profit margins must go up
paper grove
Right when I spend some hours gearing up my outlaw rogue and learning how to play it, nerfed. Smh
fathom bramble
(Insert first time meme here)
paper grove
It is actually, usually main enhance shaman so you'd think id be used to this
jolly geyser
thick coyote
🙁
oblique trench
Outlaw playable? Pls nerf fast. Blizz devs 100%
crimson scarab
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paper grove
Still fun to play imo
bright cedar
this spec is such a struggle sometimes
i have a feeling i should keep it rolling on 2s
cause otherwise i'm just getting 1s
hybrid flax
legit dont expect anything else ever with tuning
but how the hell does brewmaster still keep bob and weaving around nerfs
versed shoal
jagged plover
why is the world ragebaiting me?
sand berry
It really was too good to be intended 
paper grove
Time to reroll. Its over, dead class, meme spec, uhhh what other doomer staples am I forgetting
dusky onyx
some one at blizzard lost in dps to an outlaw
jagged plover
idk how
even in zacs comp which is literally fucking maximising outlaw damage
he still gets gapped
how is that allowed
the favouritism is so blatant
lime socket
idk its kinda deserved for how much of a staple outlaw was
clever river
Blizzard will be the seemingly the last people to give outlaw a buff, it almost feels like they had to, but man are they quick to take shit back. They fucking hate this spec I swear. Wait they are doing dmg NERFED
mild field
Hi, idk rogue tbh, but want to know if it's a nerfed or a buff for outlaw ?
Du have numbers in % of up / nerf ? Thanks in advance
clever river
yeah its a nerf details in the pins
sly hearth
why is the world ragebaiting me?
like I really don't get conitnious buffs on war
tepid galleon
good thing i have an rshaman
jagged plover
WHEN DO I GET TO HAVE IMPROVED PERFORMANCE OVERALL
they don't even pretend to care
no dev notes
no one is home
narrow wyvern
Who the hell is keeping these devs in check?!
inland cairn
i really hate how in these blue posts they seem to just randomly pick classes to add developer notes for, like why are they not on every change
jagged plover
if i lived anywhere near blizzards office i'd be there with a sign
jagged plover
i truly just need someone to look me in the face and say this makes sense
faint pendant
it's not random
faint pendant
demo is bad in raid
jagged plover
yeah we're good on one shitter boss per tier
sly hearth
demo is bad in raid
was outlaw good in raids?
jagged plover
lets go
inland cairn
also cherry picking vorasius is kinda crazy
faint pendant
read it again
the developer notes are explaining why are they doing the changes
the screenshot is explaining why are they doing the changes
inland cairn
yeah for warrior
dusky temple
blizz 100% hate the rouge
inland cairn
for rogue its just the changes with no develper explanation
keen cedar
Ye, nerf rogue spec, least played class in entire game xD
dusky temple
dks get so many buffs in all 11 and 12
keen cedar
it's not random
One boss man, thats only one boss
sly hearth
Ye, nerf rogue spec, least played class in entire game xD
enhancement - am I joke to you
fathom bramble
Even the hyper cherrypicked vorasius doesn’t make these notes make sense
faint pendant
yeah for warrior
this is why I posted a screenshot as a substitute for developer note
fathom bramble
Unholy is above us in your choice example that is omega specific
And is nerfed less
inland cairn
this is why I posted a screenshot as a substitute for developer note
and its a terrible reason
go look at the real bosses
faint pendant
I mean vorasius is the most benchmark type fight therefore the most appropriate
but yeah demand for specs in cutting edge fights is a bit different
unkempt dew
Lets hope they reverse the nerf because we are commenting on wowhead
valid hound
im considering fury warrior as an alt – how does it compare to outlaw? in terms of playstyle
jagged plover
the real reason is outlaw might have actually been the rogue spec of choice on an endboss, and if that is the case the world would implode so blizzard is really saving us all
fathom bramble
I mean vorasius is the most benchmark type fight therefore the most appropriate ...
That’s just not true
river wing
why is the world ragebaiting me?
they're there already, no need to jump
fathom bramble
There’s a reason why melee take all the top spots on that fight
And it’s not because melee are good on a simple st benchmark fight
fathom bramble
And then starfall comes in swinging too thanks to the grubs
urban inlet
it's not random
According to this, Frost dk didnt even really need their 6th? Buff in a row
wicked ether
WHEN DO I GET TO HAVE IMPROVED PERFORMANCE OVERALL
Blizzard just doesn't know how strong the Cloud Cover buff was for Outlaw, maybe they just looked 5 minutes on discord pins because they don't give a fuck about this class anymore and saw that it was like 6% gain for Sub and assumed it would be the same for outlaw, because 1 minute more worktime that isn't spend on DK and DH is to much.
hasty warren
hi pirates
jagged plover
the crazy thing is
wintry solar
hi pirates
Hi
jagged plover
we weren't even that fucking good
dusky temple
thas was a joke
jagged plover
it would make more sense if we were giga gapping topping meters
orchid oracle
Dk discord still in slowmode
jagged plover
but this shit is still mediocre
wintry solar
They probably didn't like cloud cover being that good relative to the joke
thick coyote
I do like when people take the 95th percentile (which is pretty much perfect conditions) of a class which relies heavily on good play and up time. Then be like ITS PERFORMING WELL THOUGH, but without good conditions the damage nosedives fast to being mediocre.
wintry solar
Tree I mean
wintry solar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543552027859353601/1232815956670021672/hi...
Where u been?
sand berry
it's fine they'll give us 4% single target and nerf blade flurry next week
hybrid flax
How close is fatebound now comparsion , roughly guessing
jagged plover
95th percentile is just standard because no point balancing based on people who look at their keyboard to press skills
wintry solar
Dk discord still in slowmode
Because people keep asking stupid questions and being dumb
They see those big numbers and automatically assume it's dead
valid hound
Vorasius is the perfect encounter for a cloud outlaw because you dont even move that much while dealing dmg, so you're all the time in the cloud, hence why it's normal that rogue is top 2 dps on that boss
torpid hedge
!m
clever wasp
Ye, nerf rogue spec, least played class in entire game xD
thats not a tuning issue lol
jagged plover
i mean cloud ||is bugged anyway so that you refresh the buff when it expires regardless of if you're in it or not||
so that isn't even a factor
clever river
Unholy is above us in your choice example that is omega specific
almost feels like blizz tells us to eat shit and if we do anything where were the best spec even for a period of a week in one small aspect of the game they freak out and change it
valid hound
lets all abandon outlaw 
so they're left with no more players to play it
thick coyote
95th percentile is just standard because no point balancing based on people who ...
Maybe, I just think that 95th of Mythic raiding (of an already small sample size of players) is cherrypicking god runs/rng
livid kindle
lets just abandon this game is a better approach
wintry solar
This is a WoD demo situation for sure, we just gotta bait blizz to say it
jagged plover
Maybe, I just think that 95th of Mythic raiding (of an already small sample size...
i mean 75 probably does enough to filter and 95 is low pop yeah
fathom bramble
Regardless of the percentile you prefer to pick outlaw is really good on vorasius
jagged plover
it doesn't change a lot
fathom bramble
But it’s also just a boss that doesn’t matter…
clever river
lets all abandon outlaw <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
so they're left with n...
I think Bliz honestly would prefer that cuz a lot of people dislike it outside of rogue mains
wintry solar
It adds to the vault and that's important enough for me 
fathom bramble
Pick 10-20th percentile actually so the true best specs show up
The “approachable” ones
fiery pendant
I think Bliz honestly would prefer that cuz a lot of people dislike it outside o...
I feel like most content I see on the game everyone enjoys it but doesn’t main it
river wing
I think Bliz honestly would prefer that cuz a lot of people dislike it outside o...
huh?
unkempt dew
Just uncap us and everything will be alright
jagged plover
even uncappedo our damage probably wouldnt be worth pulling around
river wing
Just uncap us and everything will be alright
wish granted
BF uncapped
BF nerfed to cleave 15% damage
river wing
wtf are you on about
we are already gonna be at best average in both
blissful zinc
we were not average
river wing
yes, we were in the top 30% - still behind like 5-6 specs in either
blissful zinc
With physical comp at least
jagged plover
we are not top 5
silver venture
is assa gonna be meta spec rn for m+? i wanted to reroll for a while
jagged plover
and that's purely overall
blissful zinc
we're the worst dps in a pure physical comp
Whos better other than arms?
river wing
With physical comp at least
meanwhile aug or ddh or unholy are just top-5
regardless of comp
jagged plover
that's ignoring the fact rogue brings absolutely fucking nothing to the comp
blissful zinc
Feral druid is pad dmg merchants
jagged plover
feral does more overall and brings druid buff
rogue does less damage and brings
nothing
blissful zinc
Im not saying the nerfs are deserved
river wing
in general
arguing that Rogue can't be good at damage in both raid and M+
should make you think "ok why would they bring us then"
and the answer is
"they wouldn't"
jagged plover
Im not saying the nerfs are deserved
tell me we're a top 5 m+ spec when these are the overalls in a comp specficially designed to make us succeed
please man
and then look at the patch notes for warrior
and then tell me that makes sense
blissful zinc
He still made the group no?
river wing
that's his group
like that's people he's running with
jagged plover
they play with zac because he's a god gamer not because outlaw is actually good
river wing
literally best outlaw in the world, on general basis
fluid meadow
can replace outlaw to any spec and would be better anytime
blissful zinc
Its a competitor for a spot in arguably the second best comp in m+
fluid meadow
"second best comp" there are legit 2 outlaw team in the whole world
river wing
right now it's not
next reset it will be a median damage spec with no utility
blissful zinc
tell me we're a top 5 m+ spec when these are the overalls in a comp specficially...
I can gurantee atleast half the pics here outlaw did more meaningful than feral
river wing
which kinda does make it dogshit
blissful zinc
I can gurantee atleast half the pics here outlaw did more meaningful than feral
Who would you bring other than rogue?
Maybe hunter
tough ocean
bm
blissful zinc
Dont think ret makes the list
jagged plover
I can gurantee atleast half the pics here outlaw did more meaningful than feral
what do you mean by this
worthy ice
ii was telling my raid that i need outlaw wep for lura, can i stop coping ?
jagged plover
i didn't know you could just opt to not deal the damage required to kill the mobs
my bad
blissful zinc
what do you mean by this
Meaningful dmg aka killing the add that must be killed for you to progress to the next pull
tough ocean
Meaningful dmg aka killing the add that must be killed for you to progress to th...
you mean prio dam?
jagged plover
okay but someone has to actually kill those other mobs yes
blissful zinc
For example first pull algethar the vine lashers dmg
unkempt dew
wish granted
BF uncapped
BF nerfed to cleave 15% damage
Okay but then I want BTE when resetting to refund 5 combo points and KS must be like boomstick from survival hunter
jagged plover
like you can't just clear the dungeon without clearing those mobs
blissful zinc
Ye but some people misunderstand when u say prio dmg
tough ocean
so let the idiots misunderstand
jagged plover
doesn't mean it isn't required
blissful zinc
okay but someone has to actually kill those other mobs yes
In almost all cases they will die with the prio dmg unless u have an arcane mage or a sin rogue
blissful zinc
In almost all cases they will die with the prio dmg unless u have an arcane mage...
Prio target*
fluid meadow
imagine disable blade flurry and not doing aoe with outlaw and the group still has better dmg at overall
blissful zinc
In almost all cases they will die with the prio dmg unless u have an arcane mage...
Whether u pump on the smallies or not
river wing
Okay but then I want BTE when resetting to refund 5 combo points and KS must be ...
wish granted
energy regen from all sources reduced by 10%
jagged plover
i had to scroll down to 160 to find a 3rd group playing this comp btw
OP for sure!
blissful zinc
Never said OP and I agree that the nerfs are undeserved
hasty warren
Where u been?
Not the greatest but I'm herr
blissful zinc
I never did 😂
jagged plover
'arguably a top 5 spec in m+'
unkempt dew
wish granted
energy regen from all sources reduced by 10%
Damn you’re hard to work with. Okay okay, killing spree hitting like a uncooked noodle instead of a wet noodle
jagged plover
yeah bro
fluid meadow
where is ele nerf?its too op there is a team with high keys
river wing
Damn you’re hard to work with. Okay okay, killing spree hitting like a uncooked ...
wish granted, KS taken off Restless Blades
blissful zinc
'arguably a top 5 spec in m+'
Dps wise pre nerf arguably is fair imo
But when has ever blizzard took m+ into consideration when balancing specs
jagged plover
if you take overall in a complete vacuum and ignore utility completely there's maybe an arugment
if you don't do that
blissful zinc
They are clueless
jagged plover
0000000000%
clever wasp
make so KS works like spinning crane kick where u can use other non channel abilities while its going
🧠
river wing
if you take overall in a complete vacuum and ignore utility completely there's m...
they always ignore utility tho
jagged plover
no hero, no raid buff, no utility, no strong niche
literally just damage and you're not even the best at that
blissful zinc
Well.. sadly blizzard doesnt care about m+
They look at raid charts and call it a day
jagged plover
i mean
even there
if you actually look per boss instead of all boss
we're being hard carried by first 3 bosses
and who gives a fuck about those
blissful zinc
if you actually look per boss instead of all boss
U lost the head of balance team right here
unkempt dew
wish granted, KS taken off Restless Blades
I give up
blissful zinc
U lost the head of balance team right here
Too advanced for them
obsidian walrus
I mean I don’t understand the changes they did, rogues were not op at all
They changed hero talents and tried to compensate with aura buffs
And failed
jagged plover
outlaw might have been better than sub
haughty wigeon
Arnt you happy
jagged plover
had to fix it
obsidian walrus
Why can’t outlaw be decent for one season
It was not even one season it was like 2 weeks
jagged plover
we were in strong in like, s2 tww or s3 df
heavy shard
its impossible to enjoy the game with such wild swings in class tunings
jagged plover
prime time
spec was fun and we were strong
now spec is ass and we're gimped
sick
obsidian walrus
It’s weird to me how they decide to do these changes
You have to parse like 90+ in raid to be in top 5 dps and the other dps are doing 70+
And they get less of a nerf
In m+ we don’t have the biggest burst AOE or they ST
While demo gets untouched
And aug gets a smaller nerf
jagged plover
i dont think m+ is even a consideration at all unless class stacking happens
jagged plover
then they're like oh yeah probably should do something about that
otherwise they do not give a flying fuck
dusky onyx
dev dh is new shiny toy it was destined to be op and in meta atleast one season
obsidian walrus
Aug also at least in the past to top dmg as Aug you had to react to peoples cds
Now its brain dead and top dps
On all of the hard bosses in mythic
jagged plover
weary goblet
Hear me out...
They want Rogue to be so crazy unpopular, so they can "safely" do a full rework without diehard mains being too upset
dusky onyx
well thats not true
obsidian walrus
Oh yea and our raid “buff” still sucks
weary goblet
The truly tragic part is that rogue is a fundamental fantasy archetype and somehow, neglected and borderline austricised
obsidian walrus
No no rogue as a whole
inland cairn
sure but look at where frost mage/udk are
obsidian walrus
Not specs
inland cairn
thats why the other 2 are so low
orchid oracle
but hey didnt we get bloodfang in d4
livid kindle
weve been least represented spec prior to buff in m+
in high keys
not spec class
combined all 3 specs
jagged plover
sure but look at where frost mage/udk are
because they have another spec which is very good
inland cairn
yea thats what im saying
livid kindle
and that 1% was zac alone i guess
sly hearth
Lol, there are so many sub rogues
obsidian walrus
I mean why play fire when frost is giga good
obsidian walrus
With better defs and better dmg profile
dusky onyx
frost is giga good???? isnt it cheeks in m+
faint pendant
I mean why play fire when frost is giga good
cause comboooost
weary goblet
We live in the monkey paw result of "I want all three Rogue specs to be equally viable."
jagged plover
like mages can swap freely
sage bronze
Hey guys I was just checking warcraft logs for the raid, so it's worth it to run outlaw rn? damage seems crazy!
obsidian walrus
frost is giga good???? isnt it cheeks in m+
Mythic raid
inland cairn
gearing fire atm seems very unfun
jagged plover
just braindead design
inland cairn
i think stat overlap has a bigger impact on offspeccing
and sub going back to mastery prio kinda sucks for that
weary goblet
but rogue you grief yourself if you ever prio outlaw weapon
We grief ourselves by just being rogues tbf. This discord is a victim support group
jagged plover
and sub going back to mastery prio kinda sucks for that
definitely doesn't help
obsidian walrus
Sub last season was only good because of trinkets and boss design
It was perfect for sub rogue
jagged plover
yeah but sub is always good "because of boss design"
obsidian walrus
In every way
jagged plover
because they always design bosses it will excel at
so it's really just always good at this point
not trying to make it a competition of which rogue spec is the most garbage but there's a clear historical winner
raid wise
livid kindle
i mean thats legit true though when sub was gigabroken in raid after rework we had smolderon which was designed so only sub could line up all his massive cds with all burn phases and btw rogue while being good after rework in m+ one of exceptions not being meta in m+ right away after rework because it was aug sp mage meta
faint pendant
remove augvoker
grim spear
so obviously a single talent point getting +13% feels bad
sure enough the rogue's AI designer doesn't even know how much numerical impact their own design has.
blizz should think about upgrading to a more expensive model
gpt-5.5 or opus 4.7 or something
and buy more tokens while they're at it.
proven surge
narrow pasture
its May bro
obsidian walrus
maybe a late one XD
old gull
There was too many people playing outlaw
knotty dawn
Outlaw cant be good more than 1 week its a blizz rule
north hound
We should be doing literally 20% more dmg than now to make up for the shit utility
fluid meadow
they didn't pressed kir when buff was up, sad
maybe they are just making a weekly roll system with buffs for us to play
obsidian walrus
and its 1 roll every time
pastel fiber
Is this outlaw nerf a april fools joke wtf is going on
How we getting nerfed the same amount as dk and more than dh's
river wing
because they always design bosses it will excel at
outlaw legit has no positive interactions with raid design
like the most positive interaction you can have is a boss that stands still and doesn't require you to move out of melee range at any point
that's it, that's the win condition
and then people say "you just want target dummies"
yes, that's the only thing the spec is designed to be good at currently, I wonder why I would want bosses that cater to my spec's design, insane
sage lion
i think outlaw deserve one more nerf and to compensate it buff feral so melee comp does not affected 🙂
pastel fiber
😭
obsidian walrus
How we getting nerfed the same amount as dk and more than dh's
you cant compare to a hero class, they need to be op for a season
river wing
you cant compare to a hero class, they need to be op for a season
season?
pastel fiber
you cant compare to a hero class, they need to be op for a season
I need to be op as outlaw for a reason aswell
inland acorn
outlaw legit has no positive interactions with raid design
like the most positiv...
Remember
When outlaw was good on council fights ?
river wing
When outlaw was good on council fights ?
idk Vanguard erased all my memories of that
inland acorn
The worst part is, we're getting basically destroyed on meters
north hound
Other specs have overtaken that niche sorry, oh btw they are also better at ST and aren’t target capped and have a raid buff
inland acorn
And we're still going to play trickster
So we're still going to be spamming smoke bomb and won't be able to see anything under it
jagged plover
inland acorn
They can't take that away from us
inland cairn
They can't take that away from us
they just give you a short glimmer of hope and then take that away instead 
pastel fiber
Wednesday might be the day to hit the uninstall button until i see new class changes
plain whale
Is it possible to get more adjustments Monday?
plain whale
I had just swapped and was having fun.
inland acorn
plain whale
Back to Sub I guess. I really missed having more than three things to hit
jagged plover
i dont remember the last time they've made a change on outlaw and iterated on it
even in beta they iterated for like
3 weeks
then let it sit
inland cairn
well this is technically an iteration on the cloud cover changes
plain whale
Outlaw the first week of Legion was very fun. Was the best class in every type of content.
That was a good time 10 years ago
jagged plover
i mean like within the same cycle before it goes live
jagged plover
not very often but
usually if there's public outcry
too bad we have no population
inland acorn
or big streamers
jagged plover
they walked back the ray of frost thing for frost mage
they were gonna remove a charge
grim spear
bc there is not human designers for rogues
inland cairn
frost is actually pretty fun atm
plain whale
I think what kind of confuses me the most is what catches their attention and what doesn't. I don't know what the internal processes look like for their company though. I feel like this was a very quick fix compared to some of the other classes. It feels extra ironic considering the state of Outlaw and Rogue as a whole.
half blade
Hello guys, you think we got a nerf in the next patch tuning?
plain whale
Cloud cover was kind of annoying, maybe because I couldn't see the floor very well. I'm cool with them taking some power away from taking power away from it, but not turning it into a Nerf.
inland acorn
I think what kind of confuses me the most is what catches their attention and wh...
throwing dart on the board
with outlaw taking half of it
jagged plover
i just dont understand why they dont even try to numerically tune things within a range
like they do not try
vapid salmon
Hello guys, you think we got a nerf in the next patch tuning?
1 00%
jagged plover
even shit like tier sets they seem to have no standard for what it should be
sub rogue 14%
warlock
3%
why
why have that be a thing
plain whale
I know it's not possible, but there's this part of me that hopes that they see some of these issues on Monday and are like maybe we should give them a 15% Aura buff
jagged plover
it's all just random bullshit everywhere
inland acorn
I know it's not possible, but there's this part of me that hopes that they see s...
yeah, no
we've been in the dirt since the start of midnight
crude flower
15% aura buff my guy what are you smoking
jagged plover
"outlaw bad? things are as they should be".
crude flower
Oh 100%
plain whale
Keys*
jagged plover
guy told us we were wrong for being paranoid about getting nerfed btw
tepid epoch
my tanks run about 50 miles away from the cloud anyway, 5% aura buff W
jagged plover
my tanks run about 50 miles away from the cloud anyway, 5% aura buff W
fun fact
this has no impact
tepid epoch
LOL
jagged plover
check your buff bar next time it expires when you're outside it
grim spear
jagged plover
nice little surprise
inland acorn
wouldn't be surprised if they fixed it, with this tuning
Just to fuck us even harder
plain whale
Wait so you get the whole 20 seconds no matter what?
tepid epoch
incredible
jagged plover
yep
plain whale
I was still dipping back in just in case
grim spear
they can't even be bothered to write Developer Notes, not even a single word of explanation
pure arrogance and contempt
plain whale
Jeeze
tepid epoch
i was also dipping in and out ye
vapid salmon
they can take away our damage, but they will never take away the friends we made along the way
maybe this is the lesson
jagged plover
and people were like "uhh maybe the damage isn't that good because people aren't playing around cloud cover well"
:xddd
kill me bro
north hound
Nobody invites outlaws to keys
sounds lore accurate to me?
jagged plover
this spec is just a meme
plain whale
At least I got a cool coat yesterday in game.
inland acorn
inland acorn
guy told us we were wrong for being paranoid about getting nerfed btw <:garf:132...
watch guy actually come and say outlaw is still good
jagged plover
guy is a blizzard psyop if he does that
inland acorn
marsh raft
So I'm using SBA for disability-related reasons. Does the 25% GCD penalty massively skew haste as a top stat for me almost regardless of any other situation, or am I mis-thinking the situation? Does Raidbots take that into account when I run sims on gear with use_blizzard_action_list=1 one_button_mode=1 use_cds_with_blizzard_action_list=1 as options to have it realize I'm using SBA?
inland acorn
he's here to keep us compliant and cuckholded
but would you be even surprised ?
storm bane
Are we still playing tricker after the new buffs/nerfs?
river wing
Are we still playing tricker after the new buffs/nerfs?
atm seems like it
Solo said that maybe some more research is warranted tho
inner meadow
Fun police strikes us down again
wintry solar
Dw, guy will make a Twitter post
inner meadow
Keeping outlaw as an okay spec appears to be not possible for blizzard
hollow monolith
I read the notes without fully understanding and was like "Sweet, I just rolled to Outlaw, having fun, and now we get a flat aura buff aswell", and then I read it a bit more carefully and got context from pin, god dammit
formal thunder
I got it, Blizzard is bringing back pirate theme by having us drink copious amounts of rum and grog to forget the last 2 weeks. We all go back to FB, and it's like we got a 5% buff
Arrr mateys
inland acorn
So I'm using SBA for disability-related reasons. Does the 25% GCD penalty massiv...
I think you will need to use custom APL from here
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/e7ce6b8cf58cd12f1e0d5cba5b7c13da38d93724/ActionPriorityLists/assisted_combat/rogue_outlaw.simc
hollow monolith
Im so happy I just spent my coins to get a myth wep and skyreach trinket for outlaw so I can go back to sub 😄
jagged plover
I read the notes without fully understanding and was like "Sweet, I just rolled ...
outlaw always gets compensation nerfs even if we get buffed
marsh raft
I think you will need to use custom APL from here
https://github.com/simulationc...
Oh? I'll check it out, thank you!
hollow monolith
https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-g...
This is my first tier as Rogue, so yea! 😄
jagged plover
welcome to the doomzone
inland acorn
Oh? I'll check it out, thank you!
On left side, there is README.md file which explains a little about how to use it
hollow monolith
Yea, back to gearing boomie lul
I fuck up the outlaw rotation on a regular basis in keys, but I am having hella fun.
All good things must come to an end.
jagged plover
fucked up part is
this is probably the least fun outlaw has been in like 3 years
for a lot of people at least
jagged plover
you don't even know what you were missing 
inland acorn
With building back after resets etc...
inland acorn
Its ok Jordy
Soon we will get
DF and TWW remix
Or classic
and we can go back to it
hollow monolith
I cant keep up with resets and procs, but getting better at it. I like that roll the bones is somewhat easier to understand, and I am just a huge Killing Spree enjoyer.
inland acorn
obsidian walrus
maybe they will buff something big so they are doing a prenerf #copium
obsidian walrus
XD
jagged plover
the crackshot resets were a lot more predictable than the current ones, and didn't require you to rebuild with different rules
so it was a lot more straightforward
and more importantly
a lot more fun
formal thunder
DF and TWW remix
except remixes have been current iteration of class design
not the ones present during that expansion
inland acorn
yeah, but by the time we get remix
hollow monolith
But atleast sub is back to more haste/mastery, so I dont need to recraft my gear anyway lul
inland acorn
Maybe outlaw will be fun
formal thunder
ah
inland cairn
i think ignoring energy current fatebound is pretty good gameplay wise
we didnt get to play it with the ace buff from .5 either
dusk veldt
I'm sure that there is an AI doing balance changes. This can't be human made.
inland acorn
I doubt
Ai wouldn't fuck it up like this
Unless they literally gave it very specific data which skewed outlaw
jagged plover
AI would give us some conciliatory reasoning, only a real human idiot could cook this up
orchid oracle
casual gearing a lock, so expect nerfs to that next week
dusk veldt
Ai wouldn't fuck it up like this
ye, and after complain it says, "ye you are right"
quiet ore
I'm sure that there is an AI doing balance changes. This can't be human made.
? This is the balance change we were for sure cloud cover was going to get even before it went to live servers since the node is so outsizedly good; the aura buff as "compensation" is a bonus
jagged plover
Unless they literally gave it very specific data which skewed outlaw
balance the specs based on the first 3 bosses of mythic, skewing your balance by a factor of 20% based on popularity of the specs, make no mistakes
wintry solar
? This is the balance change we were for sure cloud cover was going to get even ...
Expecting it doesn't make it hurt any less
jagged plover
and outlaw is dead?
dusky temple
how much diff between tricker and fatebound
jagged plover
gotta wait till solo tells us
dusky temple
if less than 3% i prefer to fatebound , its much easier than trickster
unkempt dew
True
jagged plover
feel like trickster is easy too with all the same finisher rules and builder order barely mattering
inland acorn
My biggest gripe with trickster is just obnoxious smoke bomb
Its actually more boring to play than fatebound, because there's no minmax
Just finish at 6+
hardy thicket
Hey! theres the finish at 5 CP for KS
dusky temple
i dont like KS
inland acorn
We dont talk about ks here
rare halo
Its actually more boring to play than fatebound, because there's no minmax
i absolutely agree
inland acorn
Ks in its current state is not finisher
And nobody can persuade me
Its a meme spell
thorn parrot
It is a meme spell, the damage is usually below our instant poison damage.
inland acorn
Not worthy of being capstone
The only reason ks exists is trickster
Could've been great capstone if someone just listened to feedback in TWW
hardy thicket
I dont really like KS either tbh but I dont really think fatebound is a god send alternative
but to each their own
inland acorn
No its not
jagged plover
KS is just another snd with a cool animation, thoughts?
inland acorn
But at least theres some fun minmax there with PS and SS
Trickster is
Finish --> ps --> ss --> finish
On repeat
cinder abyss
i think you would have to 5x the damage of killing spree to make it feel punchy
inland acorn
I think it should've been uncapped aoe frontal
To match animation...
Not some random target shit
cinder abyss
agreed tbf at minimum ^^
thorn parrot
Broomstick 2.0?
cinder abyss
blunderbuss returns!!! XD
thorn parrot
Honestly random variance is fine, can you imagine if random things just died around you while using an ability like that? I mean shit that would be sick. No one would complain if it did damage honestly, the problem is, it does nothing. Increase the cooldown but just please make it do damage.
jagged plover
it being random target is just so stupid
if it did big damage with that it would be even worse
jagged plover
isnt there like 3 dungeons with 1hp mobs this xpac
inland acorn
which btw can't die
thorn parrot
Blizzard will never move away from random bullshit, it’s in all their games
dusky temple
can we switch to dk
cinder abyss
if it did big damage with that it would be even worse
i think that would be offset with flurry, if flurry actually shard the full damage on killing blow damage
jagged plover
well it's more that
some pulls you have those 1 hp mobs
that are not only absorbing targets from your flurry
but you can random target them with ks
instead of whatever is actually alive
very fun
but yeah the killing blow thing doesnt help
but they couldnt fix the bug without breaking something else!
cinder abyss
oh no i agree, its mind boggling that is actually a thing tbf
vivid vessel
? This is the balance change we were for sure cloud cover was going to get even ...
Outlaw got nerfed by more than dk, Aug, and dev are you ai levy
vivid vessel
Ok let me think
jagged plover
bonus
quiet ore
Outlaw got nerfed by more than dk, Aug, and dev are you ai levy
look, look, look, I'm just sayin we knew it was comin'
radiant wyvern
blizzard could not abide outlaw being mid for longer than a week
vivid vessel
And tbf other specs is just cause idk the tuning on them cause no one plays them
jagged plover
we only suspected it was coming because we assumed they were too incompetent to understand the actual impact of their changes
jagged plover
are u counting outlaw in full phys as well
vivid vessel
Oh ye for sure
jagged plover
ye
fluid vortex
i mean theres no difference to what youre playing tho
only sub is going back to old talents
jagged plover
outlaw possibly being the rogue spec of choice on the last boss of a raid tier?
https://tenor.com/view/get-em-banned-get-them-banned-kendall-toole-kendal-ban-gif-846194221662273262
clever wasp
i mean im devourer that will go outlaw as stand-in because our rogue isnt available
i wanted to crank more
long barn
Warrior needed 10% buff right….
fluid vortex
nah, play prot if you wanna raid as warrior
clever wasp
yeah arms are also shit in raid
jagged plover
blizzard certainly doesnt
fluid vortex
hesright
hollow bloom
nothing matters
long barn
Clearly rogues don’t matter either
hollow bloom
got full myth gear, just wait to upgrade or craft
jagged plover
you might have accepted that they dont need to balance the other pve gamemode
doesnt mean i will
fluid vortex
you might have accepted that they dont need to balance the other pve gamemode
you mean pvp
jagged plover
im not cucked enough to let blizzard get away with murder every day
pvp in mmos is never a real gamemode
inland acorn
And yet, they still don't give a fuck
jagged plover
those people are delusional
coral wyvern
Trickster still ahead?
hollow bloom
season is over guys, pack it up. hope the next expansion fixes us.
clever wasp
Clearly rogues don’t matter either
rogue is fine for raid 😭 wym
valid hound
Trickster still ahead?
prolly, we're hoping solo finds some secret and we find out that fb and trickster are the same
clever wasp
what does that means no scruples after tuning
what
mighty pivot
what does that means no scruples after tuning
running no scruples instead of cloud cover
mighty pivot
essentially saying that cloud cover is still better
gray summit
oh okay i understand
inland acorn
gray summit
thanks Maerik
i didnt have the idea its a talent
sorry bad english baguette baguette
coral wyvern
prolly, we're hoping solo finds some secret and we find out that fb and trickste...
If its 1% to 2% ahead I am returning to fatebound 👍 Hope the calcs are out by wednesday core
keen cedar
Tbh, I would be ok with nerfs if they remove KS from rotation and every hero talent that says KS changed to whatever finisher
vivid vessel
This just reinforce my believe than tuning in wow is complete dogshit rng
jagged plover
not that anyone from blizzard ever reads this
vivid vessel
And they have no clue what they are doing
unkempt dew
Does Blizz read wowhead comments?
jagged plover
but god we are so cucked into accepting being dogshit
vivid vessel
Also trickster is still better so we have to play the dogshit gameplay
While doing less damage
Good job
Ai dev
I go back to sleep
obsidian walrus
do you think blizz runs numbers on the changes or just sends it and see what happens when people simm stuff ?
cinder abyss
Tbh, I would be ok with nerfs if they remove KS from rotation and every hero tal...
or they could actually fix KS to make it worth while and feel good to press ^
not like they are likely to do that...
vivid vessel
do you think blizz runs numbers on the changes or just sends it and see what hap...
They don't
They have no clue
0 clue
hollow bloom
would like to see the intern's notes on this "balance" change
keen cedar
do you think blizz runs numbers on the changes or just sends it and see what hap...
I actually think they just play lottery with numbers
hollow bloom
stuck patrol
If I commit sepuku in front of blizzard hq do you think they would finally listen to feedback y/n
inland acorn
n
keen cedar
would like to see the intern's notes on this "balance" change
You would get notes from AI bot
stuck patrol
damn
inland acorn
they would probably sue your family
valid hound
If its 1% to 2% ahead I am returning to fatebound 👍 Hope the calcs are out by w...
same here, but im afraid trickster might be still better by 6% or more
jagged plover
If I commit sepuku in front of blizzard hq do you think they would finally liste...
if i lived in the same state as blizzard hq
valid hound
dogshit killing spree and fartclouds
jagged plover
id drive there and gatecrash their campus
to find the person who did this
and just ask them to explain the reasoning
i wanna hear it
inland acorn
i can sponsor your trip there
jagged plover
i can sponsor your trip there
transatlantic flights u got me
inland acorn
sure
jagged plover
jagged plover
livestreaming "investigating the outlaw conspiracy"
inland acorn
jagged plover
"the real reason blizzard does not fuck with us"
cinder abyss
I could probably explain their reasoning, but it won't make a difference really haha
obsidian walrus
i mean it worked for ret palas XD
hollow bloom
🧾 Likely Developer Notes (reconstructed)
Rogue – Outlaw
We’re making adjustments to Outlaw’s Trickster hero talent to reduce the impact of stacked defensive and burst interactions tied to Cloud Cover, while increasing the spec’s baseline damage.
In recent performance data, we observed that optimal play with Trickster allowed for disproportionately high value during short windows, particularly when stacking multiple Fazed effects. This created a large gap between average and high-end performance and led to situations where survivability and burst output were exceeding intended targets.
To address this, we’ve reduced the duration and stacking behavior of Cloud Cover and Fazed, and removed scaling interactions that amplified secondary effects beyond intended levels.
At the same time, we are increasing Outlaw’s overall damage to ensure the spec remains competitive in sustained combat and does not rely as heavily on specific talent interactions for performance.
We will continue monitoring Outlaw’s performance and make further adjustments if necessary.
vivid vessel
I posted a wow head comment because I think wow head comments are very important and impactful and not because I'm raging
hollow bloom
This AI sucks
daring yoke
I posted a wow head comment because I think wow head comments are very important...
go make a wowhead article
fluid vortex
I posted a wow head comment because I think wow head comments are very important...
surely
jagged plover
zac u just need to mic up and start making slop guide content every time there's a new change or rule
get 200k subs
cinder abyss
🧾 Likely Developer Notes (reconstructed)
Rogue – Outlaw
We’re making adjustme...
yea pretty much what I would have said. they dont want outlaw to have burst by design. it gave too much, talent disparity for output was too big.
add in the multiplier that is blade flurry and that is why you only see small aura buffs. Outlaw damage output seesaw swings far too hard if over done by a small amount
jagged plover
then rain down hell on blizzard
quiet ore
This AI sucks
Just remember, calling it "AI" is, at the very least, passing the buck of responsibility onto something that can't hold it: a human has to sign off on it, at least
valid hound
but do they fucking use sim or something to adjust classes, like if they reduce burst, make the rest of the dps the same
vivid vessel
yea pretty much what I would have said. they dont want outlaw to have burst by d...
It didn't give burst omegalul
obsidian walrus
outlaw and burst kek
jagged plover
had a burst of hope for viability
inland acorn
we have burst though
jagged plover
gg
cinder relic
I feel like ppl don't get what burst actually is
inland acorn
BURST OF SMOKE
quiet ore
It didn't give burst omegalul
Tell that to my +-70k DPS during beloren egg
hollow bloom
Just remember, calling it "AI" is, at the very least, passing the buck of respon...
damn that intern for giving that AI slop the go ahead
vivid vessel
Tell that to my +-70k DPS during beloren egg
Cause you got buffed lil bro
It's not burst if you have 70% uptime on it
Guys
Please
cinder abyss
It didn't give burst omegalul
erm the crit stacking damage bonus is not a burst window (comparitivley to before)
vivid vessel
Be serious
livid kindle
guys its just AWC going and outlaw is pumpin there so they decided to nerf it and with their scuffed math's they think that 5% aura buff offsets nerf
vivid vessel
erm the crit stacking damage bonus is not a burst window (comparitivley to befor...
You had 70% uptime on it
Bro
70% uptime
Burst
On 70% uptime
quiet ore
Cause you got buffed lil bro
No no, the variance I mean. Surely it's burst when it's randomly 70k more for a 30s window 🙂
vivid vessel
Keke
vivid vessel
No no, the variance I mean. Surely it's burst when it's randomly 70k more for a ...
Oh ye for sure had more variance xdd
If anything fatebound might be burstier than trickster lo
cinder abyss
You had 70% uptime on it
forgot you fight things that last more than 15 seconds -,-
zenith sparrow
soooo I just got back on OL, time to jump ship again?
pliant orbit
It's kinda funny that people are discussing how outlaw is working with you, zac
vivid vessel
forgot you fight things that last more than 15 seconds -,-
Most people do
zenith sparrow
got myth fist from raid and everything...
vivid vessel
I think
pliant orbit
It's like me walking up to Messi and discussing how football works
vivid vessel
I mean people should
Otherwise what am I gonna do
Talk alone in the discord
Messi must feel lonely
I don't feel lonely
pliant orbit
Well, it could be about other things than the damage profile of outlaw
vivid vessel
I own that Messi guy no
daring yoke
yes ure the messiah
cinder abyss
I mean point still stands regarding the power disparity between talents tho ^
sand berry
maybe we need messi to play outlaw blizzard might listen to him
livid kindle
he's just getting carried by an arms player
agree
and will get carryed even more on reset
vivid vessel
I mean not wrong
Tho I'm doing the routes for him tbf
Me and porsea putting some work
To increase his damage
pliant orbit
You guys basically jsut point at what Shai needs to kill
And how he can kill it harder
obsidian walrus
I mean point still stands regarding the power disparity between talents tho ^
i mean dont you fix that by buffing other talents and running the numbers so the class does not suffer from the changes ?
vivid vessel
i mean dont you fix that by buffing other talents and running the numbers so the...
They forgot to run the numbers
Exactly how they forgot to run the numbers when they added the talent in the first place
slim hare
they dont know numbers *
cinder abyss
i mean dont you fix that by buffing other talents and running the numbers so the...
yea, but its blizz. demo locks OP... better nerf rogues XD
pliant orbit
I mean, the nerfs now are still a buff in relation to before cloud cover change, right?
vivid vessel
Or when we got that 4% aura buff with bf nerf omegalul?
Can't believe this happened btw
languid kestrel
Ret approach to stuff seems to work
vivid vessel
And then the week after we get a 13% buff and we still aren't a good spec
But we needed to nerf bf for a 4% aura buff
Lololol
vivid vessel
I mean, the nerfs now are still a buff in relation to before cloud cover change,...
Yes
obsidian walrus
i think they still have PTSD from BFA when you run like 3 outlaws
vivid vessel
But why is my spec getting nerfed by more than dk Aug and dev
pliant orbit
I think Outlaw suffers a bit from needing uptime tho. Compared to the other rogue specs
vivid vessel
Why is arms getting buffed for the 5th week in a row
pliant orbit
Well, bug on the bleed so of course they need a buff to other abilities xD
obsidian walrus
But why is my spec getting nerfed by more than dk Aug and dev
yea that is so shit, and a clue that they dont run numbers
stuck patrol
I'm sorry but blizzard devs are bottom of the barrel iq stupid
pliant orbit
Naah, the devs are good. It's just the guys doing balancing that are addicted to gambling
And just roll balancing out with a pair of dice
inland acorn
Naah, the devs are good. It's just the guys doing balancing that are addicted to...
If devs were good, we would have working patch on release of .5
livid kindle
i mean arms getting buffed is fine they are not in dk ddh spot they are same niche as we are but why the fk nerf us
inland acorn
Instead of every functionality being broken
pliant orbit
If devs were good, we would have working patch on release of .5
Anyone looks bad if you get rushed in your work
vivid vessel
i mean arms getting buffed is fine they are not in dk ddh spot they are same nic...
I mean they are probably the strongest spec in the game rn
Idk why no one plays it
Meta comp should have arms in it
Shaman healer
And dk
And then Aug whatever sure
Or dh
inland acorn
Anyone looks bad if you get rushed in your work
If you can't spend 10 minutes, to ensure that when bonus rolling item --> remove item from pool
jagged plover
it's bad in raid still so still needs buffs apparently
inland acorn
Under pretense of being rushed
jagged plover
all good
inland acorn
Then no
vivid vessel
I think top keys runner are legit braindead rn and can't see how op arms is
inland acorn
You're still shit dev
vivid vessel
It's turbo broken
livid kindle
they do not st unless you do bring some funnel for them as you guys do and i guess noone wants to bother when udk and ddh works well regardless and fit better with aug
vivid vessel
they do not st unless you do bring some funnel for them as you guys do and i gue...
They don't fit better with Aug tho
You could Aug an arms lol
You can Aug anything you want
pliant orbit
If you can't spend 10 minutes, to ensure that when bonus rolling item --> remove...
That's just being obtuse, Tauxy
inland acorn
Idk is it ?
inland acorn
We're paying for expansion
We're paying monthly sub
And we get patch where nothing is working
livid kindle
maybe i have no idea how they work now tbh because i just started playing after long more than 1 exp break because i was bored of rogue gettin fked all the time
pliant orbit
Their bugfix on roll tokens wasn't solved in 10 minutes
It was also working perfectly in their test realm but retail works differently
inland acorn
With issues that could've been spotted from 5 minutes od testing
And fixes that probably dont take longer than 10-15 min
valid hound
maybe i have no idea how they work now tbh because i just started playing after ...
welcome back
pliant orbit
Which again, a lot of these things again come from "We want new content out every 8 weeks" instead of having enough time
valid hound
i'd accept this nerf if it meant we can have more fun (playing fb)
but staying in this shitdog spec and getting nerfed
gray summit
🧾 Likely Developer Notes (reconstructed)
Rogue – Outlaw
We’re making adjustme...
²where did u see that ?
mental beacon
Anyone in war discord could tell me how much are the arms buff estimated at?
Based on these numbers and with no other changes @Warrior Updates
In single target, Fury Slayer gains ~10% and Arms ~8%.,
In multitarget, Fury Slayer gains ~10% and Arms ~6%.,
Thane gains ~6% in both cases, while the impact on Colossus is pretty minimal.,
Keep in mind that both specs just lost 2-4% from the Deep Wounds hotfix though, so this isn't quite as big as it looks. Overall, I'd still call these very good changes, even if Warriors aren't going to jump to the top of the meters.
desert tendon
Cheers you guys are pumper i love u
pliant orbit
I am just still in the discord, but I don't play warrior atm
livid kindle
holy Ramfam fan im feeling young again
inland acorn
Their bugfix on roll tokens wasn't solved in 10 minutes
It was also working perf...
Ye it took longer because they released this shit, and had to try to fix issue for people which already rolled (which they couldnt)
pliant orbit
Ye it took longer because they released this shit, and had to try to fix issue f...
Being obtuse again by ignoring their testing on test environment that doesn't work similar to live servers
inner yacht
Ye it took longer because they released this shit, and had to try to fix issue f...
every patch you argue the same thing. that we should kill the blizzard devs bcs they are shit at codding. dude if the code is made by a shitty intern its no the interns fault that the management didnt emply senior devs
desert tendon
We miss ramfam 😔
livid kindle
We miss ramfam 😔
yep
sand bobcat
Hi guys! Quick question from novice: which dung is best for voidcores drop for now?
valid hound
PoS
mental beacon
pit of saruman