outlaw

[long bramble]

2 buttons spec same reason why ret is popular

[modest nova]

My pirates

[wintry solar]

I like you too <3

[timid wadi]

because ypu spin and bomb

haha

[ember rock]

yea u can one button assistant on sub i forgot

[long bramble]

I see myself doing it soon tbh

[ember rock]

is it even a dps loss

[cinder relic]

You still were tf

[green star]

Whats the point of nerfing dev if theyre going to nerf everything else too? literally does nothing to the meta

[ember rock]

unironically might be even

[long bramble]

IQ loss prob

[green star]

Blizz is as always smart as hell

[carmine pine]

blizz is clueless

[wintry solar]

I wonder if they nerfed cloud cover so there wouldn't be so much power in one talent in one tree but forgot to compensate elsewhere

[fossil lintel]

Warlocks weren't nerfed

[shadow trellis]

20+

[vivid vessel]

i think they have no clue of the numbers

[cinder relic]

They did compensate the spec tbf with an aura buff. It's just... Not enough

[vivid vessel]

i mean hell they gave us a 15% talent

for free

like

they just odnt know

[long bramble]

Bro do you want the truth?

[vivid vessel]

they are throwing random numbers around

so idk

[long bramble]

They couldn’t t figure out a way to balance it in PvP

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah the aura buff.

[long bramble]

Cause they have negative IQ

[vivid vessel]

maybe the 5% aura was supposed to compesnate

[wintry solar]

[carmine pine]

"Clause can you balance the classes please"

[vivid vessel]

but like

[long bramble]

So they reworked hero talent

[vivid vessel]

they dont know the numbers

[long bramble]

Cause why not

[carmine pine]

Hey ChatGPT, please balance classes

[vivid vessel]

idk what tech they have

or if they have any tech

[strange hill]

I felt like there are multiple people doing the buffs/nerfs and they dont talk to each other

[vivid vessel]

i feel like rn its legit just a guy throwing dices im ngl

[wintry solar]

Waiter, more aura buffs please!

[modest nova]

Its cringe for a 20+ year game lmao

[verbal pulsar]

are the dices charged or not

[long bramble]

Bro mars was too close to the moon so it means nerf week

Instead when Venus is on the south of the sun

[sonic flint]

I can see a theme keke

[fossil lintel]

The guy was fired last year and replaced with chat gpt

[long bramble]

Is buff week

[drifting burrow]

we should just mass comlain that this nerf ain acceptable

[long bramble]

Moon eclipse is 0.7 release

[fossil lintel]

Cancel subs

[long bramble]

Balancing is horoscope

[fossil lintel]

It's legit the most effective thing

[verbal pulsar]

china is most of the money they dgaf about your sub bro lol

[upper hawk]

warrior dev keeps high rolling

[timid wadi]

0.6% canceled subs 😂

[strange hill]

-0.00001% subs

[wintry solar]

May let my sub run out and play like Hell until then.

[restive mango]

every single outlaw sub cancelled could be compensated by adding one more housing cosmetic to the cash shop

[vivid vessel]

how can we get as a legit bottom tier spec a week where we get a 4% aura buff and a nerf to bf to compesnate
then next week we get a 14% buff cause they fucked up a talent (we are still not good btw for some reason 14% wasnt enoguh, buff any spec in the game by 14% they are porlly topping everytrhing im not capping )
and then the week after they do this and nerf us by 5% again which is more than dk, aug and dev nerfs, while we are not even close to being as good as these dpecs

[drifting burrow]

exactly

[fossil lintel]

They definitely do, if you think they don't you never seen an investor. They don't care if it's China or not they just care if it's less money.

[long bramble]

Bro I swear your overall next week play fb will be higher then this week if I m wrong I m gifting you 5 subs

[past sphinx]

are we fatebound gamers now?

[long bramble]

For the plot

[drifting burrow]

time for some tiwtter fiesta

[long bramble]

I believe in my propaganda

[verbal pulsar]

they don't, most of the money comes from mtx and china spends a fuck ton on them

[wintry solar]

You telling ghost stories rn

[sonic flint]

Tbh why even nerf shit instead of just buffing underperforming specs closer to the busted shit instead of nerfing aleria for the 23th time and giving aa 1 more minute to the timer each week

[fossil lintel]

People who don't have a sub don't buy mtx either

[lucid sparrow]

Theres 1 combo point in my revolver and its in my mouth wish me luck

[wintry solar]

I miss earlier today when my biggest problem in WoW was how a cowboy mog was suppose to fit in WoW

[verbal pulsar]

those people weren't going to spend money on mtx to begin with

not the target audience

[shadow trellis]

No, nefring is necessary. But not nerfing the middle of the pack

[thin snow]

[wintry solar]

monke

[thin snow]

vibe based balancing

[fossil lintel]

So are we still blaming casual addict for this?

[wintry solar]

[hallow spoke]

Would be good to get some open discourse from them and their idea for the class in general

Wtf do they want rogue to be

[wintry solar]

I'm blaming him and MVQ

[sage bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cookie-monster-pin-down-cookie-addict-galletas-gif-11235441

Where's the pin?

[fossil lintel]

I guess no one here has the 75 USD ah mount then

[green star]

How dare these people play anything other than Dev and UH !

[cinder relic]

Yes

[green star]

Nerf them too!

[cinder relic]

Another 10% to arms warrior

[long bramble]

Outlaw nerf angle ngl

[gusty topaz]

A wild Ele has appeared

[green star]

Its CLEARLY the dominating spec in the top 50 keys

Its in 4 out of 50 of them!

NERF IT!

[sage bronze]

They just had a "bug fix" which removed 6% so its like 3% from last week as a total buff

[daring yoke]

Thats why the devs hate outlaw. Cheapskates not buyin the ah mount smh

[vivid vessel]

For colossus?

I don't believe this one second

Huge cap

[sage bronze]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

Nice try thi

[cinder relic]

I feel like I've seen a 5% arms buff every week for like, the entire expac

[vivid vessel]

Provide proof

[green star]

Didnt they "fix" deepwounds or something

i dunno

[cinder relic]

Idrk how it all works. Half of it is for the bad hero talent or smthing idrk

[sage bronze]

@vivid vessel

[timber knoll]

Why tf are they nerfing outlaw lol these changes made us good but not great or meta

[vivid vessel]

Ye slayer

And collosus got hot fixed the bugs they add

[green star]

Becuase zac is in 2 of the top 50 keys!

[vivid vessel]

Had

[orchid oracle]

I fell asleep briefly and i dreamt zac was leveling a warrior in calamitous

[green star]

Thats too much outlaw representation!

[vivid vessel]

And gained damage

Like today

[fossil lintel]

You dare play outlaw? Unacceptable

[elder sonnet]

they're not nerfing us, they're nerfing zac

[long bramble]

Good night guys we re playing fb and flasking crit from Tuesday life will be good

https://tenor.com/view/cat-animation-cartoon-night-sleep-gif-15009203275166072559

[timber knoll]

This is so depressing it’s already an uphill battle on this fucking dogwater spec we gotta be giga overturned for anyone to even play it over sub or sin im crying

[wintry solar]

We just gotta buff community perception somehow

[shadow trellis]

Idk im just so disappointed

i need to go touch grass

[opal valve]

Is there any way to reasonably not be doomer about rogue? They seem to seriously neglect this class.

I can’t help feeling resentment towards blizzard especially when, like you’ve said zac, it feels like they don’t even know the numbers themselves.

I’ve loved rogue for years and recently swapped outlaw. Thought the recent buffs was a faint light of hope for the class/spec and then this is happening.

I’ve lost count of the unintentional buffs/nerfs, accidental bugs, and negligence towards tuning.

[green star]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[shadow trellis]

cya guys in a bit

[weary fog]

This doesn’t surprise me

[sonic flint]

Ye I get that but like whats the point of doing all the raid & key nerfs if you’ll just nerf the dps. Ik some of the nerfs sre survivability related but like more zug zug = boss die faster = more fun = no need to do a -5% hp boss nerf every week

[cinder relic]

I at the end of the day just find rogue to be fun to play

[foggy cove]

Maybe switching off frost mage wasn’t such a good idea

[rocky tapir]

spent last 3 days learning the spec. Glad i also sent bonus rolls into this : D

[opal valve]

Same. I’ve been diehard for this class for a long time. It’s been a long time of hoping/coping.

[cinder relic]

Fingers crossed for a desirable raid buff poison being added in 12.0.7/12.1

[timber knoll]

Yeah they have had like no ideas for rogue for ages, the people who play it love it but most people would rather play a class that actually brings something to the group

[cinder relic]

Plenty of variants have been both strong and fun

[cinder relic]

Idt it's as bad as it might feel at times but

[sudden lava]

🙂

[cinder relic]

I get the struggle

[elfin flare]

Yup. Shroud skips ain’t what they used to be.

[timber knoll]

They call it a shroud skip because you go to put shroud on your bars and you skip it

[lucid sparrow]

Issue is getting invited while playing what you enjoy

[opal valve]

I don’t think rogue has been anything special for a while. I can’t help question why I even play it anymore. It definitely feels special to play and keep up with other meta classes/specs, but it doesn’t feel like any changes have been enough to make it relevant.

[fossil lintel]

How much of a nerf was it for sub? Anyone know?

[restive mango]

what I do is I just have a guaranteed spot in my raid either way. that means the whole team has to feel it when rogue sucks

[cinder relic]

I agree but it's sort of an issue with a meta being something that exists. It's probably just as frustrating to be a survival diehard ykwim

[vivid vessel]

This guy is truly the dumbest mf out there

[restive mango]

im doing my part to get the rest of the community interested in our situation

[gaunt phoenix]

Upcoming Tuning

(click for notes)

Cloud Cover is being handily nerfed and we are given a 5% aura buff to compensate.

A few observations:

1. 5% spec aura is not nearly enough to offset the nerf
2. Overall it's looking about like a ~6% nerf (ST) and a ~4% nerf at various AoE target counts based on initial sims (1 target, 8 target, Dslice)
   ^these results are contingent with Blizzard removing the crit-damage stacking and that the spec aura change is actually +5% (usually the final data is a bit off)
3. Trickster is still expected to be ahead of Fatebound by a few %, and you still would use Cloud Cover
4. I'm investigating some unusual Fatebound results, and need to weigh how close they are with how comfortable Fatebound is to play. The actual verdict on Trickster vs Fatebound may change by reset.

[sudden lava]

i'm telling you

[lucid sparrow]

yea

[green star]

Thisis who they listen to'

[sudden lava]

he's a spy for blizz or something

[warm pelican]

Not a nerf at all

[vivid vessel]

A buff kekw

[past sphinx]

@mafic

[sudden lava]

some double agent

[worldly zephyr]

Dudes a doofus

[sudden lava]

dude literally does 0 content in game

and somehow has an opinion on EVERYTHING

[past sphinx]

mafic if you're in here speak up

[sudden lava]

he's in this disc

[wintry solar]

He's a self proclaimed WoW Forum Main

[vivid vessel]

It's not the same guy

The mafic

[sudden lava]

OH ok lol

[wintry solar]

That's Moga

[vivid vessel]

That types in here

[green star]

25k posts is actually fucking insane

[burnt sable]

idk it just feels bad when ur in a 15+ and it feels like ur playing as well as u can and ur just below other dps and then u see a nerf in the changes

like what ?

[sudden lava]

i got spread fake news then

[vivid vessel]

I mean maybe he is in the discord idk

But the mafic that post in discord

Isn't the same person

[cinder relic]

I think I have over 500k in here

[wintry solar]

He said he ain't because he doesn't like this channel

[sudden lava]

good to know

[wintry solar]

Could be a lie

[sudden lava]

too busy scouring the forums to have time to post in here

[green star]

Thats a shit ton too but still not as bad as 25k FOURM posts

[cinder relic]

Gonna tweet some shit tomorrow so hopefully a bigger aura buff gets pushed

[long bramble]

You caught me guys

[cinder relic]

5% not enuf

[naive river]

7% aura buff?

[timber knoll]

It’s crazy though I don’t see how a nerf is warranted in any way

[wintry solar]

I'm honestly shocked BF didn't get touched again

[green star]

Its okay guys, UH got that unbearable 20% nerf and got buffed 2 days later, Itll surely happen to rogue too 😄

[burnt sable]

i think sargeras could come down and tell blizzard its not enough and they would just 👍 him

[naive river]

didnt sub get a 7% why is outlaw only get 5% when we have the same nerfs coming

[long bramble]

I actually believe they re gonna send out emergency fix cause they didn’t intended to nerf us

It happened in the past

So

Maybe

Right?

Say yes pls

[cinder relic]

Yes! Pma

[green star]

I hope they didnt actually intend to nerf us

that would be insane

[sudden comet]

Hey pve nerds did you guys do the math for trickster and FB yet

[cinder relic]

They might have intended a small Nerf but a 5% is legit insane

[green star]

Nerfing outlaw and not touching Demo is insane

[vivid vessel]

It's not the same nerfs also, sub cloud cover wasn't nearly as strong as outlaw cloud cover

[fathom bramble]

the nerfs are bigger for us though

so like

who knows

[vivid vessel]

It's a buff for aub

Sub

[wintry solar]

Well you don't typically walk away from 20% but the compensation buffs afterwards just undid what they were trying to do

[sudden comet]

@wintry solar where did they do that math

[wintry solar]

Guy will get us buffed

[wintry solar]

For what

[vivid vessel]

Not sure how you could look any wow player in the game rn and say you intend to nerf outlaw in any content

[sudden comet]

For trickster

[green star]

Since Zac is a top M+ player, Hes got the blizzard clout im sure, just trust in him 🙂

[vivid vessel]

It's strongest content is litteraly raid

And

[timber knoll]

Actually we needed a buff and a subsequent ban on casualaddict’s account before he can make a video

[vivid vessel]

Who tf plays outlaw in raid?

Omegalul

[dull ginkgo]

I do

[vivid vessel]

It's not even that good

Like

Sub or assa does the same

[dull ginkgo]

I do for rp

[vivid vessel]

Still no one plays outlaw after all that

[wintry solar]

You're a few hours late bud, that was soooooo long ago

[elfin flare]

We’ll always have BFA.

[naive river]

TIME TO CLOSE THE DISCORD

[sudden comet]

Grrr okay I’ll just wait to test in pvp

[long bramble]

Guys I m Cooked several ppl typing

[vivid vessel]

I think you could ask any wow player about outlaw state they would tell you it doesn't deserve a nerf idk

[cinder relic]

I mean I agree lol

[vivid vessel]

I have 10 other specs in mind that are better than law

[wintry solar]

That's typically best anyway

I know I am

These fools don't run double leth

[sudden comet]

Are we the reason pve got nerfed

[wintry solar]

Naw

[timber knoll]

Shit I have heard several times this xpac I am one of the few rogues they have grouped with in ages

[wintry solar]

They're why we got nerfed

[naive river]

it would be one thing if we did something bonkers atm. but we are average in about all content

[wintry solar]

Remember that

It's never our fault

[sudden comet]

Facts always the pvers fault

[long bramble]

@vivid vessel

[naive river]

like we are in the safe spot middle of the pack why are we catching strays

[wintry solar]

The only thing that's our fault is the lack of glyphs

[cinder relic]

Deathstalker is fake news

[sudden comet]

I love running my pvp gear in keys it makes people very happy

[cinder relic]

As a sub main it's unplayable

[elder sonnet]

sub chat seems way more chill than outlaw

[wintry solar]

I did before the great vers fall off

[cinder relic]

I wonder why

[vivid vessel]

I mean ds isn't really a thing but I remember the numbers from last week and all of that is a buff for sub anywya

I don't need to run any numbers

[elder sonnet]

its all doom and gloom here (rightfully so)

[foggy cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1499971715328118894/image.gif

[green star]

Do you think they nerfed outlaw becuase zac did a higher key than any group with braindead dev

[naive river]

zacs nerfing us

[long bramble]

Yes

[elder sonnet]

possible, that or they really don't like zac

[sinful herald]

so is it a buff or a nerf

[fossil lintel]

No, no, we're blaming casual addict for this one

[green star]

https://tenor.com/view/red-red-emoji-angry-emoji-raised-fist-fist-gif-4695612956741787895

How dare you pefrorm better on a worse class than the new spec !!

[warm pelican]

Sub it overall buffed. Ds buffed more

[unkempt verge]

what smooth brain likes sub tho

[dull ginkgo]

Check pin msg

[inland canopy]

sub got reverted to pre 12.05 with the tuning net 0 maybe a 1% buff/nerf

[elder sonnet]

lmao

just shows that they have no clue what they're doing

[green star]

Time to level my aug if I want to get invited to keys 💔

It was hard even before the nerfs

[torpid fiber]

outlaw players are way more likely to have adhd [citation needed]. This chat has always been this way.

[wintry solar]

Ofc sub is more chill, they're almost always good

This channel would be more chill if it got sub invites

[fathom bramble]

it usually is, but there is also the fact that sub isn't currently about to eat a significant nerf

which might be playing into the general vibe of the 2 chats

[green star]

How can we be chill when our mid spec got nerfed for no reason

[cinder relic]

It's ofc not as relevant but, pretty sure it's only a buff for deathstalker

And I don't think people understand how bad the playstyle of ds sub is

It's not even about target swaps

You don't have sectec for every dance with optimal build rn

[fathom bramble]

well yeah

I don't think it's a buff on most fights just because of how DS is

[vivid vessel]

Almost as bad as trickster outlaw

[cinder relic]

So u end up dancing on darkest night, or sectec

[fathom bramble]

but it's also not a significant nerf

[cinder relic]

You also do dance > storm

It's like, very ugly, and gross, and also fake

I mean even fulmy ignoring target swapping

There's so much jank going on with sectec and dance

[vivid vessel]

Ok and we play trickster outlaw

[green star]

Trickster outlaw is nice cause you have a 20 second window when youre doing nothing and can drink some water or go to the bathroom

[vivid vessel]

The only reason they don't play DS is cause the mark can disappear randomly

Otherwise you would be playing ds

[fathom bramble]

I wonder how far ahead DS has to be for you to play it in spite of the jank/bugs 🤔

[lucid sparrow]

[craggy barn]

zac

why did i see u do a sub key

what da heck was that

[wintry solar]

They wouldn't make KS hit prio because "expansion level changes" but they'll do this to cloud cover? Yeah okay blizzard.

[midnight wedge]

Maybe we go back to FB again with outlaw?

Or is still better Trick even with the nerfs?

[eternal socket]

check pins brother

[midnight wedge]

dam, so we just eat the nerf and deal with it, good sht :/

[dark birch]

They somehow again missed the mark, do they just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks? 🙂

[buoyant stratus]

Am i wilding for thinking outlaw is fine after change btw

[weary goblet]

I am baffled by the changes... not just for outlaw, but in general

did they ousource the balancing?

[buoyant stratus]

Yeah 6% nerf sucks but phys still fine still pewpew st dam

[sonic pawn]

@weary goblet Been all over the place the whole xpac

[weary goblet]

Prot Pally struggling with magic dmg

so the last 2 buffs:

• buff to damage
• increased armor

https://giphy.com/gifs/math-thinking-APqEbxBsVlkWSuFpth

now they nerf guardian druid again?

no buffs to other tanks

people spend all their gearing and voidcores etc, and now they nerf law

[weary goblet]

i just sent a bonus roll for nexus weap yesterday too 😔

[jagged plover]

so all of us who were paranoid about a nerf there's a reason for that

[dark birch]

I don't understand the Guardian nerfs at all tbh.

[wintry solar]

God gave us pattern recognition for a reason, best you use it

[dark birch]

Bears has had it rough this expansion

[weary goblet]

it's their fault for being OP in prepatch on lvl 80 / in m0 dungeons

best get disabled for the patch

[dark birch]

Why would you ever look at that data tbh

Sin ate a nerf because of it as well

its wild

sub*

[weary goblet]

Lizzard

[dark birch]

😄

I'll keep trucking with my rogue cause its fun

Havent tested Law in any keys even though i opened a myth wep this week for it. Might give it a go soon

[weary goblet]

im fully solo pug, last night i hit 3400 as assa, bonus rolled outlaw weap and wanted to really get into it now

and boom

[dark birch]

Sin / Law shares about the same statbudget so it should be fine

I've pugged to 3250 so far - aiming for 3400+

[weary goblet]

yeah, just crazy that we're getting such heavy-handed nerfing (not just rogue) this late into patch

[vivid vessel]

Why is outlaw getting nerfed more than Aug dk and dev

Why is arms getting buffed

Outlaw litteraly bottom dps in every one of my keys

[dark birch]

They're looking purely at raids, I'm sure of it

[vivid vessel]

I don't bring a raid buff

[dark birch]

which is still wild

[vivid vessel]

I don't bring anything

And I'm lowest overall

And arms funnel more st than I do

And it get buffed every week

And I get nerfed more than the meta specs ?

[weary goblet]

i should've taken a screenshot yesterday,
~15 groups listed for the dungeons i was queueing up

12 of them were "+XX AUG"

[dark birch]

Time to close the discord? 😄

[vivid vessel]

Why are we supposed to be fine with a nerf

To this spec

I'm confused

[fickle echo]

does multiple cloud covers stack?

[dark birch]

Why nerf rogues at all

[vivid vessel]

Are we legit the most giga cucks ever

[dark birch]

its just odd

[weary goblet]

and put all of us survivors on a watchlist? This is a support group

[fickle echo]

if u send 2 on top of each other with prep?

[vivid vessel]

That you have people

That are fine

With getting nerfed

[sonic pawn]

its not fine at all

[dark birch]

But we're by far the least played class right now, no?

[vivid vessel]

While being bad

[sonic pawn]

fucking comical is what it is

[vivid vessel]

Can we stop being cucks

Be mad

[sonic pawn]

Agreed get fucking MAD AF

[dark birch]

I've given up trying to figure out why blizz does stuff

just go with the flow

Malding inside ofc

[elder sonnet]

so pissed rn

tired of being a cuck

[vivid vessel]

Ye that's what I wanna hear

[jagged plover]

i mean they literally will never allow us to be a top 5 spec it's sick, if we're ever within the realm of being good we get tapped down back to where we belong

[vivid vessel]

Stop being cucks guys

[glass breach]

Shut down the discord. Shut down my subscription. Shut down my computer. Go outside

[vivid vessel]

We weren't even in the top 10 lil bro

And we got nerfed more

[hybrid pecan]

Just switch to sin, their "do nothing for 7 seconds to use apex talent" gameplay loop is just what rogue players were looking for anyways

[vivid vessel]

Than the top 3 specs

Let's be real one sec

Like

Please guys

Focus up

[jagged plover]

ya idk

[vivid vessel]

This can't keep happening

Every season

[dark birch]

Give us a real raidbuff

[elder sonnet]

realistically what can we do??

[sonic pawn]

Unfortunately the blame must go to u Zac for the nerf 🙂

[vivid vessel]

Don't be fine

[jagged plover]

i love outlaw but blizzard consistently dogs us

[vivid vessel]

Complain

To your friends

[hybrid pecan]

Fuck raidbuffs bro I just want Blizzard to hire actual devs for each class

[vivid vessel]

Tell everyone the spec sucks and it got nerfed

[hybrid pecan]

Fucking multi billion dollar company can't properly balance their game

[dark birch]

Give us the motw buff but name it something else so people dont always have to bring a druid for m+ ^^

[vivid vessel]

Let player perception of the spec go down

[glass breach]

I complain to everyone I meet and post about it in the rogue feed back thread on wow forums. I actually don't know what else to do

[naive river]

theres not enough of us to complain

[jagged plover]

vindicated

[naive river]

we just get forgotten

[glass breach]

Actually real

[wintry solar]

I'm gonna become a prolific rogue streamer and make a Twitter account so blizz will take my feedback

[dark birch]

What do you mean, there are dozens of us! DOZENS!

[weary goblet]

This is not forgotten man, this is actively trying to get people to stop playing the class

[elder sonnet]

it's already bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif?ex=69f674fc&is=69f5237c&hm=a846014c93887bb4b03e8afd0ec028b4b827ebe2ecc8d2c878b55ec55d49feb3&

[jagged plover]

outlaw is literally seen as "the bad rogue spec" and has been for like 3 years

[dark birch]

Sub is cringe in m+ 😛

[weary goblet]

unless this is Belo, its fucked up

[hybrid pecan]

People meme on LoL balance but you actually get consistent balance patches with in depth explanations on why champions are being tuned the way they are. Are you telling me Blizzard with a subscription model and fucking $75 house decorations and $90 mounts can't do proper balancing?

[jagged plover]

league balance is unironically extremely good

[glass breach]

Listen, I know it's a meme and we would look like complete fucking morons... But shutting down the discord would get attention to the problem

[jagged plover]

and they arent even shooting for perfect balance

[hybrid pecan]

It is

[dark birch]

havent played LoL for year

s

[wintry solar]

LoL

[jagged plover]

and that game is hard as fuck to balance

[dark birch]

always seemed fine when i played it

[vivid vessel]

Bro league balance is goated you can litteraly play any champ in the game without trolling

[jagged plover]

blizzard just have to make the numbers similar like

what

[dark birch]

balance wise, obviously outliers etc but overall it was fine

[jagged plover]

HOW HARD CAN IT BE

[elder sonnet]

it wasn't belo 🙂

[vivid vessel]

In wow you have specs doing litteraly 4 times your AOE and no one bats an eye

[jagged plover]

it cannot be incompetence they simply do not want outlaw to be good

ever

[elder sonnet]

i just joined the raid and he inspected me

[vivid vessel]

Cause it's just Normal

[hybrid pecan]

Exactly. And there are 150+ champions and several roles, items etc. Wow doesn't even have a fifth of the variance that lol has and balance is infinitely worse

It's actually disgusting

How we accept that as a playerbase

[gaunt phoenix]

have to consult Copy of Copy of Celestalon's Class Balancing Spreadsheet v47 (1).xlsx

[jagged plover]

well if outlaw had the population of ret pallys

they might care

but they do not

[hybrid pecan]

Just sit there and eat the shit blizzard puts out

Let's just shut down the discord atp

[elder sonnet]

i'm here coping solo finds something about fatebound that pulls it ahead of trickster somehow

[drifting egret]

blizz would never allow outlaw to be as popular as ret they'd shut down the servers before that ever happened

[valid hound]

so they fuckin nerfing us again

[jagged plover]

it's just so boring honestly that they never let us be good

[weary goblet]

Rules for rogues, alone

-# - Funnel removed, other specs/classes get way better ones
-# - Raid buff removed
-# - Cheat Death nerfed - other classes get way better ones
-# - Cloak nerfed - other classes get way better ones
-# - Shroud nerfed (invis detection/dungeon design) - other classes get way better ones
-# - Evasion pretty much useless nowadays unless group fails
-# - Feint Nerfed (still good and only thing keeping us in the game atm)
-# - Smoke bomb - other classes get better ones
-# - Blind AoE removed (now back)
-# - Phys dmg Amp removed - other classes get way better one, passively

[wintry solar]

Y'all don't want outlaw to have the pop of ret, that has really bad implications

[dark birch]

We're paying for old sins or something. But it's been 8+ years

Give it a rest

[jagged plover]

brother what implications could be worse than how the class is treated currently

we have dogshit bugs constantly, terrible tuning and the worst gameplay in 2 years

[fathom bramble]

Very low skill floor

[wintry solar]

If it had ret pop, it wouldn't have rtb, RB, etc

Basically anything cool

[jagged plover]

im fine with a low skill floor if there's still a high ceiling

but i guess they could completely gut it

[fathom bramble]

Hard to have both of those, but sure that’s fair ig

[dark birch]

Outlaw being capped after all this time is also wild

[jagged plover]

i feel like dev is sort of on that spectrum but mostly for movement reasons probably

[hybrid pecan]

Talking like all 3 rogue specs didn't get gutted in the great pruning

Gameplay wise

[jagged plover]

i dont play the other specs but sin rogues seemed relatively happy

[naive river]

person doing balanced got ganked by a rogue in classic on his iron man character

[dark birch]

ngl i like sin rogue atm.. Even though it's a shell of its former self

[wintry solar]

Talking like other classes didn't either

[elder sonnet]

i swear that's my theory too

[true edge]

And I'll do it again >.>

[glass breach]

Where are the happy sin rogue? That spec got hollowed tf out

[jagged plover]

outlaw has been getting pruned since dragonflight started though so we win again

[glass breach]

Actually worst iteration I've ever seen

[wintry solar]

I'd argue since legion tbh

[weary goblet]

it has been my go-to in 15/16s,
Downside is how squishy it is

[jagged plover]

well kinda but dragonflight was like a reset where a lot of classes got new stuff

[hybrid pecan]

Midnight Assassination is complete utter dogshit

[jagged plover]

and then they just stripped us ever since

[hybrid pecan]

Gameplay wise

[weary goblet]

i mean no?

[wintry solar]

I see

[dark birch]

ye 🙁 I play elusiveness to try and mitigate it

[hybrid pecan]

Probably one of the worst specs in the game to play

[jagged plover]

is this just a 'i like pooling i hate pooling' dichotomy, gen asking i dont play it

[hybrid pecan]

Build - envenom x7 then go afk, rinse and repeat

Disgusting

[glass breach]

I like pooling, and the spec still feels like dogshit

[unkempt dew]

Nice nerfs

Blizz does not want us to have fun

[inland canopy]

in keys u dont even use mutilate unless its on an st boss

[valid hound]

i dont get why they fuck with these things like every week

just buff us and let us play for like a few months

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound's performance when thistle tea has totally run dry may have been understated a bit. they may be close enough in keys you get a choice

[restive bluff]

why do people like fatebound so much?

does it free you of ks or something

[glass mortar]

it has more enjoyable rules

finish on 5 for dispatch

1 CP SS rule

[glass breach]

Trickster has some jank, fb is smoother

[glass mortar]

no KS

[restive bluff]

ah

dude i feel like perma tricks is just too good qol

[glass mortar]

overcaps less, has less variance, has more resources so more wiggle room

[gaunt phoenix]

it's more energy, cps, and procs

[restive bluff]

unless you have a premade tank that you can just macro to

[weary goblet]

I personally never press mutilate on outlaw, but that's just me

[glass breach]

Get the smart tricks addon

[lucid sparrow]

i honestly got so used to pressing tricks as fb that i still press it as trickster

[restive bluff]

what's that

[burnt sierra]

I definitely love perma tricks. I've even saved a couple of wipes using it. If the tank releases fast enough the mobs just start running to the entrance and we pick them off one at a time until they're all dead, or the tank gets back.

[glass breach]

It just auto targets tank when you tricks

[restive bluff]

that's big

[glass breach]

Used to be a weakaura, pretty sure its called Smart Tricks or Smart misdirect, same thing

[restive bluff]

ty i'll get it installed for when the fb conversion happens

or if it happens

[stone saddle]

My guess is cloud Will maintain the dmg amp? What is the point of this talent If they remove it

Like does nothing with the stakcs?

[weary goblet]

I don't use that because sometimes, if tank is dead, i tricks another DPS while I DPS stuff down

[paper finch]

The only fun “burst” I feel like is the few seconds of cloud cover we get. Now they’re nerfing that lol

[cedar bone]

Legit what is this nerf .. We have to think legit 16 time more then dk aug and dh and we get cooked

[paper finch]

I guess we were just wayyyyyyy over performing 😒

[glass shard]

i hate blizzard

[long barn]

I just can’t take it with these idiots at blizz anymore

[glass shard]

make us play most miserable hero talent then nerf us wp

[long barn]

They must have a college intern that only cares about how fast he can get to jimmy John’s at lunch and does 5 mins of data review and bolts then makes decisions to get out of work early on a Friday to go circle jerk with his jomies

[glass shard]

i swear its a trickster nerf for sub and we just get clipped

[spark forum]

how're we looking like post nerf?

[tender wedge]

pretend it's .0 again

nah its not quite that bad

[paper finch]

Except Sub got a 7% buff to our 5%

[daring yoke]

I hope at least after this nerf, fb and trickster is negligible difference in both st and aoe

[spark forum]

and sub is a 3 button spec wth

[hardy thicket]

this makes no sense its not like Outlaw went from shit tier to absolute god tier

[unkempt dew]

So we are bottom tier again?

[valid hound]

C tier we meet again

parse something while u can

[glass shard]

i already wasnt getting invited cuz im not aug

[spark forum]

idk arms warr was already doing well and it got buffed, demonology didn't get nerfed, destro didn't get buffed and outlaw gets nerfed??

what're they doing??

[pliant orbit]

Rolling a dice to figure out what to tune

[mental beacon]

Outlaw was beginning to see too much play with the current tuning

[paper finch]

Yeah, I guess I’m going back to Arms.

Arms ST needed all the help it could get

[paper finch]

From 1% to 1.1%. Bliz started to panic

[compact chasm]

If outlaw is played by people they actually have to fix bugs and balance it, cant have that!

[livid kindle]

yep lets nerf 3rd least played class when its not eeven in top 5 on wclogs or mythstats thats the blizzard move

[daring yoke]

I have a feeling we are going to get an emergency buff. I think blizz just wanna solo to do the math first

[hardy thicket]

clearly needs to slightly buff arms and nerf Outlaw

[glass shard]

i think its sub trickster nerf and we get owned for it

[glass mortar]

the gap between the yellow and green guy is way too big

we can squeeze that down a lil

[unkempt dew]

This really starting to suck man. Fcking blizzard with the stupid tuning

[compact chasm]

[paper finch]

I guess Bliz is afraid of the Pally discord. Ret just sitting there on its pedestal. Even BM and Marks got buffs. They were doing fine in raid.

[livid kindle]

another proof that blizzard hates rogues

[cinder haven]

I guess cloud cover performed much better than they expected. So all the other options were worse. They try to bring it in line with both the other trickster option and with fb options. I guess that’s ok, but they should of course have had a bigger compensation buff. How they could have reasoned about that I have no idea.

[livid kindle]

outlaw might be was too good in pvp but defenetely not in pve

[glass shard]

they can give specific nerfs

[livid kindle]

i know

[glass shard]

and they do

just not for us :3

[gentle lotus]

They should hv just buffed fatebound then....outlaw isn't even that broken compared to devourer and unholy dk

[livid kindle]

thats why it doesnt make any sense why they nerfed pve part

[frail veldt]

I don't think they have any idea how much damage things do

[cinder haven]

Yeah I’m just trying to figure out what happened in their minds

[frail veldt]

Nothing

The answer is nothing happened

[glass shard]

what minds ?

[fading igloo]

Ayo waking up to outlaw nerfs what a day
Can’t wait to be stuck with KS and energy starvation for less damage again

[glass shard]

chatgpt write me patchnotes

intern push this stuff

whats a dev evoker ? are they new?

who cares

[cinder haven]

Claude code or kiro would have done a much better job than this

[daring yoke]

I wonder what fatebound unusual result by solo?

[keen belfry]

its funny cause they simply didnt understand what cloud cover was and how strong it was, so now they still dont understand what it is and they nerf it without properly buffing us to offset it

[livid kindle]

btw warrior got buffed now zac gona get gapped even more 🙁

[cinder haven]

That’s how I read it also

[spark forum]

I genuinely can't believe demo didn't get nerfed and arms got buffed after they destroyed fury st with a change no one asked for btw

[tender wedge]

i dunno how not incredible they could have expected it to be after those insane buffs

[glass shard]

im gonna gear aug

no other way to get into keys

gg

[spark forum]

I'm pretty sure they also don't know destruction warlock exists either

[green star]

For real tho

[paper finch]

The fact that we went a whole xpac where our damage was based on stealth windows in a time where chain pulling was the thing to do says it all

[glass shard]

i sat in lfg for 2 hrs w/o invite to 18 with resil 17

[green star]

Yeah its ass if youre not dev/uh/aug

[keen belfry]

crackshot was peak

[green star]

My 283 Demo even has hard times at like 15/16s lol

[hardy thicket]

its kinda ass if you are dev/uh as well tbh

[green star]

just be the highest io/ilvl

and youll get in as those classes

[hardy thicket]

yes uh

[glass shard]

real

[green star]

We could be 289 and people wouldnt invite us

[paper finch]

Vanish should never have been part of the dps rotation

[proper dock]

Welp, I came to ask what DPS Everyone is hitting on their Outlaw ST, but I see we have been nerfed

[royal belfry]

just read the tuning, it is a nerf right? but like a big one

[spark forum]

from what i can tell none of the other tanks got buffed either, they just nerfed the only good tank spec

[royal belfry]

pls tell me i'm wrong

[spark forum]

surely that'll make people want to tank more

[green star]

its pinned

[cinder haven]

Crackshot should not have been tied to vanish

[hardy thicket]

you have 100 people on the same class queing for the key, I think aug is legit the easiest one to get into keys with rn cuz its more versatile to which comp will take em and have bloodlust

[livid kindle]

lets be honest guys if you are soloplayer outlaw then you just push your own key there s no other option

[cinder haven]

But crackshot was fun

[errant fractal]

That might be the best ragebait I've seen in my life

[green star]

Thats what you get for playing warrior

[sudden lava]

he's 100% serious

[livid kindle]

yeah crackshots was fun but all that restealth gimmick attached to it wasnt fun

[glass shard]

post that guys rio

i wanna know if hes seen above an 8 yet

facebook gamer

[green star]

He has 25k bliz fourm posts

of course he hasnt done more than a 8

[light mountain]

outlaw nerfed harder than dev 🤣 🤣

[green star]

[glass shard]

xd

[errant fractal]

Doesn't change the nature of what his take does to literally anyone playing the class

[glass shard]

-15sec

[royal belfry]

mmm so we got nerfed, anyways buff devourers

[paper finch]

Basically what it feels like when tuning gets announced

[keen belfry]

bad procs

[errant fractal]

Warrior buffs are good for us, but idk what we're being nerfed for across 2 niches and specs lol

[cinder haven]

Oh well, good that I’m sitting there season out I guess

[fluid meadow]

"We will continue to monitor Warrior performance and make further adjustments as needed." so if players are just bad but class is okay they are gonna tuning. fck it

[cinder haven]

Was pondering coming back after the buff but now I can keep doing other stuff

[paper finch]

The only silver lining is i have an arms warrior

[errant fractal]

Idk warriors see 0 play in raid I'd be surprised if this made them viable lol

[livid kindle]

but ngl fartcloud is aids to begin with so if they adjust aurabuff number to be closer to where we were so we can play FB might be win

[glass shard]

my boy hit max lvl yesterday

[lone surge]

are we getting nerfed?

[green star]

Yes check pin

[royal belfry]

did someone made the math already? how much are we losing

[hardy thicket]

I started gearing mine this week now I feel slightly triggered

[keen belfry]

my arms is so ready

[errant fractal]

Pin

[green star]

6% Aoe and 4% ST

Sorry

other way around

[drifting burrow]

Surely they will reverse something

[hardy thicket]

maybe its pink rogue time

[spark forum]

devourer sub is guessing they got nerfed around 5%, clearly outlaw needed to be nerfed as much as the most braindead 3 button top performing spec

[hardy thicket]

they didnt touch them

[paper finch]

Probabaly just the aura buff from 5 to -5

[royal belfry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ahhh-disappear--k01KQKPAX138P29994GESS42EVP

[drifting burrow]

Theres just no way this nerf is intended

Tonight updated class tuning fo sure i can’t immagine they will go trough with it being like this

[cinder haven]

”But we compensated with aura buff??” Y u complain

[paper finch]

I mean they took the time to write it, copy and paste for sub, and then change one number from 5 to 7. Seems intentional to me.

[keen belfry]

ye i think they dont understand still how cloud cover works and what the nerf means

just make fatebound better

[drifting burrow]

The cloud is what legit gave us the 13% dmg bonus we have now

Why the would u insta reverse it after 1 week i dont get it

[glass shard]

lock the discord its time

[royal belfry]

blizzards safe response to everything is just increasing damage % and then destroying any stacking effect the class have

[paper finch]

Yep and it’s the only time I feel like I’m pressing a cd that feels good to press

[royal belfry]

there is no inbetween

[fluid meadow]

btw we are where we are every time, aura buff, just waiting for bf nerf again 🤣

[drifting burrow]

I mean it snot just the dmg stacking like the bonusses and everything DR aswel

Like

[cinder haven]

They showed that they are gonna keep treating balance like this idk, I’ll stay unsubbed

Fed up with this tbh

[paper finch]

What balance? 😆

[cinder haven]

Yes

[keen belfry]

becasuse they had no clue how strong it was, they just shipped a 13% talent

[drifting burrow]

Surprising strikes dmg bonus gets gutted

[keen belfry]

i mean we literally said from the start they dont understand the talent

[drifting burrow]

Dr fazed

[daring yoke]

its same how they had no clue how much nerf it is

[glass shard]

5% nerf isnt even that big of a deal

but nerfing when bad is crazy

[hardy thicket]

The most fun part is that Outlaw is actually taking a bigger nerf than both Aug and Devourer LOL

[royal belfry]

dw another nerf is coming and they are going to say: hey here is more % damage since we don't understand the talents

[drifting burrow]

It’s not even strong bro

Its like average rn

Playable

[cinder haven]

How can they not understand it when you can easily have kiro/cloude tell you how it works

[paper finch]

Them shipping it like still didn’t put us ahead of anyone in the top 5 so yeah. Lose - lose situation.

[glass shard]

for 3 more days

[keen belfry]

we got spanked verbally by a few here for complaining about the buff we were getting becasue we said theres no way this is intended and look, it wasnt

literally verbal spankings

[drifting burrow]

Immagine ppl used voidcores n shi for this to get gutted

[cinder haven]

Old spaghetti codebase isn’t even a valid excuse anymore

[drifting burrow]

How can u nerf it

I cant

[glass shard]

🔍

[cinder haven]

Also they never explain rogue balance changes

[daring yoke]

i havent seen a "developer note" once for outlaw

[drifting burrow]

Mass complain to everyone u know

Make outlaw great again

[cinder haven]

It’s always just we changed this stuff, while for their favourite pets it’s always explained in detail

[hardy thicket]

There's nothing to explain here because their only reason is uh what the hell is Cloud Cover we better just slam it

[glass shard]

u donr have a sub

open a ticket

[paper finch]

Did this, my wife just rolled her eyes.

[glass shard]

buff or no money

[drifting burrow]

Kekw

[livid kindle]

only possible explanation that makes sense that blizzard is trully unaware of how big cloud cover is with fazed stacks and they just wanted to keep outlaw as it is with being able not to play cloud cover but they messed up as usual

[sturdy tartan]

This is so annoying

[drifting burrow]

But brother

[glass shard]

i think its a nerf to sub trickster and we get owned for it

is my hunch

[drifting burrow]

You don’t get that the impact outlaw has has nothing to do with this nerf

[old reef]

wait outlaw is getting nerfed right?

[livid kindle]

but is it sub even op or ?

[cinder haven]

I’m in this camp as well, but it’s still not ok

[drifting burrow]

Like every top 50 key

[glass shard]

ye

[drifting burrow]

Is full of dh DK aug Warlock

[errant fractal]

Except that wasn't needed either...

[glass shard]

yea it was fuck sub !!

[errant fractal]

Ok buddy

[burnt grail]

But subs nerf is less than outlaw?

[drifting burrow]

2 rogues in top 50 key both phys comp both outlaw lets nerf it

[burnt grail]

What is even going on

[drifting burrow]

Whats going on

Is that we got nerfed harder

Then Dk Aug and Dh

[frail veldt]

Yep

[weary goblet]

ofc, us rogues should know our place!

[cinder haven]

I’m sure cloud cover turned out more powerful than they wanted. And then they have some weird idea about what ’power level’ they want outlaw to be at (hint: not high)

[drifting burrow]

And we cannot make thus deciscion acceptable

[hardy thicket]

Is this even a nerf to sub btw

[drifting burrow]

So like zac said

[hardy thicket]

can some sub confirm or deny

[drifting burrow]

Get out of the cuckchair

Go make ticket on forum

And we reverse this shi

Hunters complain they get buff

So can we

[livid kindle]

btw notice how outlaw was insane in BFA like 2 seasons in a row or mabye more i didnt play BFA and after that we getting nuked as soon as we starting doing any reasonable damage while DK is broken since end of DF and its ok

[paper finch]

Can’t we just close the discord til they buff us?

[jagged plover]

thoughts

[glass shard]

there are 4 billion bm hunter players and 40 outlaw players

[drifting burrow]

Accurate

[gray rapids]

Buff Outlaw 10% more and uncap aoe thanks

[drifting burrow]

Nahh but like we can all agree that this is ridiculous and we need to do something

[green star]

Honestly if they just made trickster not awful with energy, id be content with them just leaving us alone 😭

so down bad

[weary goblet]

At this point, I just feel like our whole class needs a rework and a palce in the game

[cinder haven]

I also have a theory that they don’t really want to spend time on unpopular old specs when they can make more money from making new specs.

[daring yoke]

man im used to outlaw to getting fucked in tuning. but this is the most tilted i have ever been 😭

[errant fractal]

Buff coinflip hero tree so I can take 2 cringe buttons off my bar gg

[weary goblet]

(the bench not being "a place")

[warped spruce]

I called it.... it was too good to be true..... :C

[burnt grail]

Anyone know any pallies that can help us shut down the discord?

[glass shard]

too good to be true and its slightly below average after giga buffs

[drifting burrow]

Shut it down we riot

[nova marsh]

next-level reverse psychology

[cinder haven]

It’s much better if we shut down ret discord in protest of outlaw nerf

[weary goblet]

Guess i'll see the POE2 announcement next week and probably go there...

[green star]

Relatively speaking outlaw is a "New" spec 😭

[burnt grail]

A perfectly cromulent solution

[errant fractal]

There's like 300 million of them and like 30 outlaws so yeah kinda

[formal thunder]

so, - 30% duration and - 30% buff amount, so trickster is roughly 6-7% ahead of Fatebound still?

[jagged plover]

[cinder haven]

Anyway, nice dooming but I’m off again.

[glass shard]

6777777

[weary goblet]

have a good one

[drifting burrow]

Funniest thing is gonna be

Is that ur adrenaline rush is still gonna be active

And cloud alrdy gone

Kekw

[livid kindle]

i mean rogue was the least played class in highkeys before buff 3rd least played even now i guess thats exactly what they are doing

[jagged plover]

we've been the least played class in general since i started playing if you ignore lizards

and even they are beating us now i think?

being op > 20 years of class identity

who knew

[daring yoke]

funny thing is that even the class is giga OP. still only 40 people would play it

[drifting burrow]

Outlaw went from f tier start of season to S tier phys comp into battling tank again tueseday

[daring yoke]

other classes are much easier to play with good dps and with better utility

[jagged plover]

i mean it's the worst spec in physical comp

like

[drifting burrow]

[jagged plover]

it doesn't bring anything to the comp just damage

and it's the lowest damage of them

like what

[fluid meadow]

can they give back to every player to see this banger cloud effect (fck community)? like they where so funny when we ks and die in tww, why they don't want to see our banger cloud rn which affect their game too?

[livid kindle]

yeah

[drifting burrow]

It brings ST and prio

[livid kindle]

it is literrally bottom spec while getting all raid buffs and providing nothing to others spec

[drifting burrow]

And now it’s getting gutted

[jagged plover]

we are just ultra cuck chaired

idk

[drifting burrow]

Juppp

[jagged plover]

so boring being a rogue

you just know

[drifting burrow]

Time to get the fk out

[jagged plover]

if you ever get close to being good tuning wise

they're gonna fix that immediately

[drifting burrow]

Make post tweet forum w/e hope on fix / late class tuning adjust

[weary goblet]

Next logical step is to nerf AR duration ofc
-# -Lizzard, probably

[drifting burrow]

Ohh yea truee truee

Good one havent tought of that

[jagged plover]

we have like 2 people who play rogue who even have any measurable reach it's cooked man

[glass shard]

how can u even nerf a class that has relatively no data points

[fading igloo]

[glass shard]

how many outlaw rogues have done the raid last week vs ret paladins or bm hunters

[jagged plover]

not fantasy if it happens every time

[unique fulcrum]

Blizzard has to be trolling right

[opal valve]

Ngl was in this mindset going into Midnight and decided not to follow that. Now I regret sticking with rogue. Prob the worst decision I made in TWW deciding to swap to it as well. There’s nothing forgiving about playing rogue. Defensives are clunky, utility is ass and the damage is mediocre at best. The class is fun, but the perception is terrible and the tuning is negligent. We just don’t bring much to the table and that’s not our faults. Its blizzard.

I’ve given up hope. Def swapping off at this point.

[zinc briar]

we are buffed!

[errant fractal]

Cinema

[drifting burrow]

Yea badnews bud

We cooked

[glass shard]

we need a banger copy pasta

wait

doesnt every class discord have a cpl of devs lurking

[opal valve]

The worst part is the community and theorycrafters for rogue are incredible. You guys all do great work and it’s not fair to you all or the class. Its a shame.

[glass shard]

blizz guy reading

30k gold for revert + keep aura buffs

[jagged plover]

i think if i tried to make a list with all the little things that piss me off about rogue i would just go insane

like why the fuck

[unique fulcrum]

Close the discord

Riot!!!

[jagged plover]

is our single target stun, still got a combo point cost

in 2026!!!

[livid kindle]

blizz guy on 10 year vacation that resposible to read rogue discord

[daring yoke]

i think its time for Guy to make a wowhead article 😂

[weary goblet]

I'll add that Ravenhodt also has one of the best class-discord layout for channels.
So many of the other class discords are a total mess of channels and categories

[fading igloo]

You could say he....vanished

[glass shard]

booooo

we are catching anofher nerf for that one

[fading igloo]

[drifting egret]

yeah wow devs might find that to be good news I dont think they care at all

[weary goblet]

even i refrained from making that pun

[near osprey]

so wahts happening we all switching back to fb or still trickster is just way better

[glass shard]

pins

[drifting burrow]

Trickster still ahead

[near osprey]

someoen said earlier 1-2% for st and 4% or something for aoe?

[green star]

For now yes, Solo said he has to investigate it

[near osprey]

i feel like at that point fb might just be better for ease and comfortability

[mighty hare]

so we got a 13% buff on sims with trickster, now it drops by around 6% ST and 4% AoE on sims..
i guess we are slowly moving towards what feels better to play then?

[tight cave]

we are switching to hello kitty

[near osprey]

fax

[fading igloo]

i think the 13% buff also had an aoe nerf beyond 5 targets sooo

[glass shard]

logging out if its a 2 steps forward 1.5 steps backward to playablitiy

[reef forge]

wait did they buff arms warrior? aren't they insane right now

[fading igloo]

we just got hit bit a double aoe nerf in the end no?

[drifting burrow]

No the 13% buff = the cloud

[glass shard]

whilst being capped mind u

[green star]

Look at pins, pinna

[near osprey]

ye like 6% aoe and st

[drifting burrow]

That what made us do allot of dmg

[green star]

6% ST and 4% Aoe nerf

[fading igloo]

i meant original cloud cover buff came with BF nerf

[fluid meadow]

the most funny part is that rn, we are forced to play blade rush with tier set cuz energy&dmg buff with tier set, next season that will be mostly not viable again, and they legit have no plan for anything what comes next so they keep their shit in every expansion and season like this since year

[weary goblet]

We are Tricked* mains, because we've been baited into playing our class

[glass shard]

blade rush is fun to press imo

having abuff for 4 globals after feels pointless but the ability itself is cool

[mighty hare]

haven't blade rush always been played? i didn't play outlaw in TWW tho

[livid smelt]

Where do i check the pins

[weary goblet]

Top right if on PC

[drifting burrow]

Zac do ur magic i refuse to be cucked like this

[glass shard]

fucking blizzard man

feeding me a cortisol spike for breakfast

[drifting burrow]

Ive been high cortisol since 4 am class tuning

[muted smelt]

Revert all previous BF nerfs and we won’t hold the dev hostage

[livid kindle]

but there is bright side to that we can possibly play FB while being behind of trixter only by 1 or 2 % possibly

[burnt sable]

am i weird for liking trickster more...?

[glass shard]

no its kind of a vibe

(coping)

[drifting burrow]

Listen only good thing about trickster

[muted smelt]

Also prefer trickster

[drifting burrow]

Is that u have 1 hour of tricks of trade

[livid kindle]

i mean its just more resource starved than FB and plays less smooth so idk

[burnt sable]

i actually like the bomb mechanic my only gripe is it makes circles and puddles harder to see

[drifting burrow]

Yea and ur uptime is also better like this

[livid kindle]

yeah green puddles blend in into bomb animation it is actually aids

[drifting burrow]

[burnt sable]

i think something that does feel bad is if ur tank or smth trolls tf out of a pull and u wipe and all ur cds are so off cause of it

[drifting burrow]

Inky black potion

[glass shard]

i press cloak after ar in packs with aoe

legit dont give a frick

[drifting burrow]

[burnt sable]

i do be pressin cloak often but npx has infinite puddles

[glass shard]

so will my bed after blizzard reverts this shit

[formal thunder]

Way ahead of you, watch me slit Blade Rush their ass (the joke is that I'm holding noone)

[livid kindle]

how often they revert nonreasonable nerfs to outlaw? i have 0 on my memory tbh

[drifting burrow]

I mean theres no way they dont do anything

How can u nerf this cloudcover and outlaw gets hit twice as hard as sub

[livid pewter]

this fucking tunings are more pingpong than we had with old RTB
im gonna give up on this game it kinda tilts hard

[drifting burrow]

Cloude rolling the bones again

Bro is drunk

[livid kindle]

yeah ngl i just woke up wanted to play some keys now i dont

[glass shard]

just play aug evoker and never be not giga turbo broken

[shell ingot]

And look like they didn’t leave any developers notes for rogues changes like they did for other classes changes

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/view/pozitiv-gif-14253947505283509778

[drifting burrow]

they don’t cus they don’t know what they’re doing

Legit rolling dice

[formal thunder]

if they can't even get a rogue dev if they pay them money, what makes you think any other person there would sit down and take a serious look at rogue for free?

[livid pewter]

thats a crime to write such stuff in this channel

[glass shard]

ban me

[vapid salmon]

I’m bet they didn’t expect the buff around cloud was so massive

[livid pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-gif-10016170

[frail veldt]

jokes on them that mistake actually put outlaw in a relevant spot

[drifting burrow]

Yea but impact outlaw has is not game changing

[frail veldt]

but I guess they dont want that

[drifting burrow]

Broken

[glass shard]

yea because blizzard is clueless

[frail veldt]

even with cloud cover mega buffing us

we wernet even in that S tier group

[drifting burrow]

It finaly was playable

[livid kindle]

why wouldnt they do massive buff to rogue to begin with when all 3 specs are bad compared to top echelon and it was least represented class in high keys prior buffs

[shell ingot]

That’s for sure. At first they change one talent and make it extremely efficient. Looks like they didn’t realise how much impact this talent will do. And now they are heavily nerfing this talent so overall outlaw dps will heavily decrease while it wasn’t that high

[livid pewter]

we kinda got viable with a phys comb thats it - and after 1 week we goin to be benched again

[fluid meadow]

so they doing this?

[drifting burrow]

Guys to think that we get 6% st nerf while unholy dk alrdy does insane st aswel not to mention opener from start of 1,6 mill and ending keys with 300 K +

[glass shard]

wrong because theres a positive on the wheel

[mighty hare]

i am curious how many of you actually noticed the buff we got with trickster?
personally looking at my own logs i couldn't optimize trickster enough for a noticeable change

[drifting burrow]

Yea lets nerf dk fot 4%

[glass shard]

i got more invites lol

[vapid salmon]

Bcs they don’t care about outlaw, never did 🙁

[fluid meadow]

they can mix it and add more and playing this during coffee time

[livid kindle]

and those specs arent even AOE capped btw so outlaw restricts viable routes while those specs dont

[livid pewter]

i gotta smile bit cuz of your name compared to your message maybe u were just slacking

[burnt sable]

just remove the aoe cap blizz

[mighty hare]

and i had a +14 AA abandoned because they grp leader complained over my dmg on first pull 😂

[formal thunder]

UH is not only not capped, they scale exponentially with bigger pulls

[glass shard]

i get flamed too sometimes

[mighty hare]

ye i know 🫠 but i have done 4/9 mythic tho

[glass shard]

i just linked blade flurry

read it

then complain

[mighty hare]

well the grp had a warlock even stating i am playing outlaw so AoE is not great... yet i got compared to him doing 600k on first pull

[formal thunder]

even those fucked pulls with the 0 hp zombies in Pitythey get more damage that actually matters because those damage voids are there

[vapid salmon]

It feels like rtb is also active on our patch notes

[drifting burrow]

Wut

[vapid salmon]

Last time we picked a 3

[jagged plover]

if that was the case we might hit a jackpot once in a while

[burnt sable]

so why did we not press keep it rolling

[drifting burrow]

Just roll with loaded dice ig

[vapid salmon]

We are not ARing enough

[formal thunder]

CD missed it by 0.5s

[drifting burrow]

I think blizz hit keep it rolling on one of a kind im ngl

[formal thunder]

and it's on CD now, guess we can try again in 3 Expansions

[burnt sable]

and now i miss my monitor

[fluid meadow]

btw after wox outlaw guide they have infos what they should to delete at key starts again for us like before

[glass shard]

that would warrant a 300% aura buff

[drifting burrow]

Well this 3 unseenblade stacks u could also do this in tww so i doubt they remove this

With either sectec or ks b4 key

[livid kindle]

@solo give us some hope tell us its not as bad as it looks

[proper dock]

Where is the link to these new nerfs? The only thing I have seen is a bug on assassination getting fixed

[jagged plover]

pins

[vapid salmon]

The good part for me is that I’m going back to FB, they should be really close now

[proper dock]

Thank you!

[shell ingot]

Yeah, at least will all these changes fatebound got buffed. And it is simpler, has more energy, easier rotation. We can take back 3% versatility and acrobatic strikes

[daring yoke]

Smoke war ended 😭

[unkempt dew]

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

[formal thunder]

is it though? trickster should still be 6% ahead, no?

[frail veldt]

barely ahead

[formal thunder]

ah right, FB was what? 10% ahead of Trickster before Cloud cover?

[valid hound]

as u said , at least hopefully we'll get back to fb and wont see this KS trash anymore

[blissful zinc]

Do you guys kir rank 2 in m+? I understand its viable when u dont have loaded but im curious how many ppl actually do so

[valid hound]

i do when i see that i wont be able to roll soon with loaded, to avoid getting rank 1

[blissful zinc]

Ye that rank 1 depression hits different 💀

[toxic laurel]

drug withdrawal

[blissful zinc]

Fr

[pine scaffold]

any1 crunched the numbers yet? What is the total loss after the tuning?

[blissful zinc]

Check the pin

[gaunt phoenix]

Lmao

[unkempt dew]

Are we going back to fatebound?

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid, no. in keys, pending

[daring yoke]

Wonder how much of a difference going fb in all content

[pine scaffold]

The tuning team needs to get rid of their drugs tbh

just yoyo-ing

i bet they get off from this shit

[still matrix]

Literally

I hope the oatmeal they eat forever tastes like shit

[valid hound]

13% buff to make us switch to a shit playstyle spec, then nerfing it, but just enough to make it still better than FB

so u got to play a shit spec with lower dmg, but can't play a spec that feels better cuz it sucks even more

[spark forum]

I'm guessing assa will be bis now with subtlety being close and outlaw where it belongs, in the trashcan apparently

[pine scaffold]

Imagine if this trash game had a way to convert your gear so you can play another spec if u wish

instead of rolling 5 fucking rogues and gear them all just in case

[spark forum]

and I love how they made subtlety into a 3 button spec and sin rogue sucks ass because thistle tea is a fun mechanic

ffs

just reroll bro - blizzard probably

[trim harbor]

I mean this is the best state rouge has been in for all 3 specs in a while, they are all very viable no?