so
#outlaw
river wing
now they're a big grownup and work for Blizzard and can finally take their revenge
long barn
Oh it’s gonna be a lot
gray summit
In that’s way fatebound could be ahead
long barn
Trickster fucked
hearty stump
outlaw not allowed to be good 
vivid vessel
In that’s way fatebound could be ahead
ye but you just ate 10% nerf
so
idk
if you wanna be that guy
river wing
outlaw not allowed to be good <:o7:1294407341361463446>
it's like they want us to Fan the Hammer to the head
hollow bloom
i just wanna play the game and contribute...but noooooo
gray summit
Xd they killed outlaw trickster
river wing
anyway I'm pretty sure we go back to FB, like this is +5% to FB and -10% or so to Trickster
which means they're gonna be almost equal if not FB better
rustic birch
ran pit 10 once and got the dagger from roll am i free?
radiant wyvern
this wasnt how i wanted fatebound to be back
wooden spade
is this cause of casual's video titles? lol
fair iron
if we go back, i will complain about not having perma tricks and the anti-parry
river wing
ran pit 10 once and got the dagger from roll am i free?
no
long barn
Shut down the discord
final pagoda
happy or sad?
river wing
you have like four more items waiting
gray summit
Whyspir played outlaw
long barn
It’s time
gray summit
We got nerfed
surreal flower
getting parried again 
gray summit
I understand now.
long barn
For once we were top 5
long barn
And they are like no. Back to the bottom
vivid vessel
outlaw too op
was almost doing feral damage in keys
cant have that
must be third dps
river wing
outlaw doing best damage out of three rogue specs
(not even top-3 general dps damage, just best damage of rogue)
vivid vessel
i wouldnt be surprised if outlaw got nerfed more than aug dk and dh
river wing
i wouldnt be surprised if outlaw got nerfed more than aug dk and dh
I mean yeah, probably?
radiant dock
river wing
Aug just had -5% aura
vivid vessel
ok im doomed fatebound st is actually 13% behind tricks
yes
river wing
DH is -3% aura and some targeted -12%
fathom bramble
on paper it's like a 70-80% nerf to the thing that gave us a +15% swing on trickster
junior glacier
maybe they'll revert the nerfs 🥹
vivid vessel
idk bro
fathom bramble
where is the BF buff to compensate for the global nerf 🤔
sudden veldt
was almost doing feral damage in keys
you were beating arms in overall bruh
gray summit
ok im doomed fatebound st is actually 13% behind tricks
Yeah but if u got -8-9% nerf
tulip jewel
arms needed a buff tho
daring yoke
Im happy that most likely we going back to fb. But fuck is outlaw not allowed to be good 😭
gray summit
Fatebound with +5% is ahead trickster i think
vivid vessel
that were making them lose damage
river wing
where is the BF buff to compensate for the global nerf 🤔
it doesn't work that way
only the reverse
glass mortar
sudden veldt
i saw you in 21 pos you were neck to neck with him
sudden comet
you pve nerds got us nerfed in pvp thanks a lotr
rotund cloud
glad im leveling a ret 🥲
glass mortar
im surprised these arent hotfixed in
sudden veldt
but dont know if arms was bug
river wing
welp
time to get curve this sunday and never have to deal with this until 12.1
vivid vessel
in order, magister, nexus, academy, caverns, skyreach, pit, spire , seat @sudden veldt
outlaw ate 10% nerf
arms got buffed
twice
since these screenshots
fair sparrow
it is what it is
eternal reef
Who has a good arms guide
daring yoke
in order, magister, nexus, academy, caverns, skyreach, pit, spire , seat <@13225...
Why r u not top dps in any of this
topaz fox
!bug
ornate heathBOT
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
vivid vessel
a 15% buff
going into .5
only 15%
my bad bro
needed 20%
to be competitive
in phys comp
harsh inlet
just reroll DDH problem solved. KEKW
vivid vessel
and then after all that
clear tulip
think about it this way. without our perma tricks that warrior and feral dead insta
🙂
dull geyser
@vivid vessel napkin math whats our net nerf?
vivid vessel
10%
indigo token
aint no way
pastel sierra
in order, magister, nexus, academy, caverns, skyreach, pit, spire , seat <@13225...
Yellow third is the correct order i dont know what to tell you man
mystic peak
blizzard heard that i was going to start getting ym outlaw gear back up and nerfed it
sad day
ancient cobalt
ok guys be honest who got hurt more outlaw or sub with this i gotta know whats bis
vivid vessel
only thing i can override in sims is having the 2 stack max thing go to 1 stacks max
and that already -7% bro
then you cut the uptime in half
then you remove the crit thing
and you can add a lil 5% buff on top cause they are very nice
shut lichen
the old days you wouldn't even receive the aura buff and just rawdog the cloud cover change
sudden veldt
gg ig
vivid vessel
ye you were wrong noob
topaz fox
wait fazed auto refreshes when cloud cover ends? what other insane dps increase bugs that i havent been doing am i missing out on lol
runic gulch
and you can add a lil 5% buff on top cause they are very nice
No bf nerf to offset it either, almost too nice of them
river wing
yes could have dropped BF to 20%
junior glacier
smartest lock player
river wing
smartest lock player
they only read the first line
quick oak
so gg back to sin for keys?
river wing
give them time, they have to take a couple hours to get through the whole Outlaw section
jovial dome
Warlocks that can read....nah
river wing
Warlocks that can read....nah
they have imps for that
winter skiff
I mean if you are a fatebound outlaw rogue then yeah it's a buff
So he's correct, from a certain point of view
junior glacier
yeah the 2 fatebound players are hyped
vivid vessel
unholy are saying the nerf is like 5/7%
low venture
wouldnt you just play fatebound?
river wing
unholy are saying the nerf is like 5/7%
so they'll stay on top lmao
vivid vessel
ye i guess its fine
dull ginkgo
Are we cooked guys?!?
vivid vessel
tuning is good
eternal reef
hmm
vivid vessel
in world of warcraft
runic gulch
smartest lock player
Let him spread it lol, fine by me if it means spending an hour less getting a key invite
glass mortar
zac was this entire ability generated by ai or like
copper radish
Are we cooked guys?!?
cooked
glass mortar
how did they get it so wrong
copper radish
make ur fatebound build again
dull ginkgo
NO WAY MAN
glass mortar
it came off ptr consuming energy and casting distract
then it ended up not even needing to use the cloud for ur buff
glass mortar
and its tuning was clearly never calculated or something
vivid vessel
real dev
tribal sapphire
NO WAY MAN
its already sent
copper radish
wait did any1 check the forums? maybe wowhead posted wrong again
sudden veldt
guys pls, 2 days ago you said you're so happy about how outlaw is designed and the work they put into it
glass mortar
u didnt code it right
sudden veldt
dont let tuning corrupt you pls
vivid vessel
guys pls, 2 days ago you said you're so happy about how outlaw is designed and t...
what
who said that
wintry solar
Think about it though, it's actually a buff since we're not playing KS anymore
vivid vessel
its the worse iteration of outlaw i ever played
glass mortar
guys pls, 2 days ago you said you're so happy about how outlaw is designed and t...
???
vivid vessel
and thats legit the take of 99% of shit chat
copper radish
its the worse iteration of outlaw i ever played
cant wait for ur next overall posted on tuesday
glass mortar
we been hating on trickster since day 1 of buff
fathom bramble
people were complaining about the trickster thing constantly lol
thin snow
fathom bramble
and being told it's a buff it's fine
glass mortar
they listened to feedback
smash outlaw in the face with a bat
let us go back to fatebound
indigo token
guys pls, 2 days ago you said you're so happy about how outlaw is designed and t...
I dont think anyone enjoyed fartlaw
thorny hull
u might be crying but not as the unholy dks when it was bugged
vivid vessel
how do i get nerfed more than dk
i dont get it
am i clueless
in world of warcraft
runic gulch
I dont think anyone enjoyed fartlaw
I did, my raid team didn’t
daring yoke
Guys why we havent got a single "developer note" for outlaw??? Is AI tuning us or just some rogue hater intern??
pliant wave
I get home from work and they actually nerfed Outlaw? Is that for real?
tender wedge
how do i get nerfed more than dk
Rogue tax
thorny hull
bragging tax
tender wedge
Vs DK bonus
pliant wave
We need to shut down the Ravenholdt Discord immediately
slim hare
am i clueless
you must be nerf are proof lol
keen belfry
has zac figured out if we can play fatebound yet
jovial dome
Gonna be even worse cause Warrior got a buff
vivid vessel
has zac figured out if we can play fatebound yet
its prolly close with trickster being just ahead enough that you feel bad playing fatebound
low glade
it was a fun week ngl
vivid vessel
or smth like that
low glade
i did a few outlaw keys
vivid vessel
huge napkin math
river wing
Think about it though, it's actually a buff since we're not playing KS anymore
imagine if Trickster is still like
5% ahead of FB after this
so we get all the worst shit and no damage also
dense forge
Bro i told uncle to buff it
wintry solar
I'd be so mad
daring yoke
imagine if Trickster is still like
5% ahead of FB after this
so we get all the w...
Bro pls no ill cry 😭
rough oriole
I love having the idea that i was already a shit class to take in pugs
and now im getting nerfed
keen belfry
its prolly close with trickster being just ahead enough that you feel bad playin...
this would be the worst if truew
rough oriole
after a week
glass mortar
these notes r missing them tuning BF up to 40% and adding precise cuts back in i think
rough oriole
so its going to be harder to pug
vivid vessel
this would be the worst if truew
:D
dense forge
i told you the tuning tho dont say i didnt @vivid vessel
glass mortar
then theyd make sense
wintry solar
imagine if Trickster is still like
5% ahead of FB after this
so we get all the w...
You kinda pissed me off with this 
dense forge
im spoiling shit
glass mortar
sudden veldt
@vivid vessel #outlaw message
lean ferry
no more double outlaw in awc : (
river wing
this would be the worst if truew
if it is really like that
I'll say it's a direct targeted attack, like actual malicious intent
sudden veldt
check it
daring yoke
he fucked up
I blame ur clickbait titles 😭
vivid vessel
i told you the tuning tho dont say i didnt <@352916297262301194>
ok and its pretty stupid bro
vivid vessel
in order, magister, nexus, academy, caverns, skyreach, pit, spire , seat <@13225...
@dense forge
keys this weke
low glade
In that case, may be an unpopular opinion but, I'm really enjoying outlaw. I'm enjoying it as much as i did in Battle for Azeroth. I legit love everything about it. THe damage, the guns, the rogue/outlaw/piratesk, the mobility. I can go into further detail. But i just hope they dont change a thing.. Maybe the cloud cuz i cant see shit sometimes. but damn i love it. Its like too good to be true for me. I feel this sort of happiness never lasts.
vivid vessel
why am i getting nerfed
sudden veldt
I dont think anyone enjoyed fartlaw
dense forge
zac
sudden veldt
was 6days ago sorry
vivid vessel
ye no
rough oriole
why am i getting nerfed
because youre an outlaw player thats why
copper radish
patiently waiting to see "solo typing....."
glass mortar
i hope solo is not at pc and is having a nice friday night not reading any of this nonsense
fossil lintel
isn't today labour day? let solo rest
pliant wave
Shut Down Ravenholdt
vagrant kettle
so is nerf 🙁
sudden veldt
technically you're still 3% stronger than before 0.5 no?
wintry solar
Mid spec gets nerfed, who saw that coming
winter skiff
Outlaw stonks were rising though
copper radish
technically you're still 3% stronger than before 0.5 no?
🪦
hybrid pecan
Are we back to playing fatebound?
glass mortar
zac why did u put it in my brain because im doing the quick math
and trickster like 1-2% ahead of fatebound and net 7% nerf
sudden veldt
i read in pin the original buff was 13%
thorny hull
Outlaw stonks were rising though
big stonks rogue have 3% playrate out of all classes in the game xD
wintry solar
I'm noticing a suspicious lack of something...
winter skiff
It was getting hype though, people were making youtube videos on outlaw
hollow bloom
just make rogues tank so groups have to take us jeez
wintry solar
Oh yeah, no obligated BF nerfs
copper radish
Oh yeah, no obligated BF nerfs
you mean buffs??
glass mortar
thank god
vivid vessel
ye its fine
mighty pivot
show us the math
near rock
i did the math
theres no way u did the math
copper radish
Zac does maths?
radiant wyvern
he did the math
slim hare
i did the math
alleluia
glass mortar
zAC
vivid vessel
i did not do the math
mighty pivot
slim hare
lpregplreglp^reg
gray summit
U do not considerate than
jovial dome
He did the french math
tired wolf
carry the 1
copper radish
we are just fucked, no?
runic gulch
You did something
gray summit
Trickster got the aura buff too
vivid vessel
i forgot trickster also get the 5% aura buff
runic gulch
Just not sure what
dull ginkgo
Baguette
slim hare
ragebait zac nice
tired wolf
multiply by the hypotenuse
gray summit
Et oui frero on est baisé
glass mortar
vivid vessel
i did the math
glass mortar
slim hare
zac taking lecon from blizzard
tender wedge
the grossest outcome, boo
proven ocean
zac
glass mortar
how much by
ember rock
gosh darn it tomelvis got us nerfed !!!
glass mortar
like 2-3%?
proven ocean
Ur head is made out of eggs
hollow bloom
a rollercoaster of emotions
glass breach
Shut down the outlaw channel until FB buffs
vivid vessel
i say 4% weran
radiant wyvern
gusty spindle
guys my m+ group is dropping me from this nerf! time to hop on the warrior train 😭
vivid vessel
just enough that you cant play fatebound
runic gulch
So not enough to feel good playing it but enough that switching to fb is throwing, love it
daring yoke
Is outlaw scientists asleep now? Need real numbers asap
cedar wyvern
10% cant be real please dont mess with us smooth brains that cant do math
river wing
Is outlaw scientists asleep now? Need real numbers asap
broski let Solo rest
lavish timber
in this reset blizzard fix recovery stamina?
wooden river
Guys this is a huge buff just gotta believe
ember rock
/summon solo
halcyon quiver
The cloud cover changes are about a 6% damage nerf
fair sparrow
10% cant be real please dont mess with us smooth brains that cant do math
its not real lmao its worse
glass mortar
he'll read it when he reads it
fair sparrow
nah but honestly
slim hare
i say 4% weran
no way
lone crow
they just nerfed us by 10%
gray summit
you guys prob just go back to playing fatebound
Indont know
wooden river
but i love my perma tricks
halcyon quiver
<a:AINTNOWAY:1065265988964196483> they just nerfed us by 10%
If you have adrenaline rush every 30s then sure
hollow portal
Estuvo bien mientras duró, aunque todavía no éramos de primera categoría, jajaja.
glass mortar
it might still be ashead of fatebound
glass mortar
fatebound was 13% behind man
fair sparrow
no generator crit?
glass mortar
hollow portal
It was good while it lasted, although we still weren't top-tier lol
rocky canopy
Are we swapping to arms warrior or what
fair sparrow
people sleeping on the pistol shot and ss damage they're gonna lose too
proven ocean
Lfg will be happy
river wing
but ok let's see lads
Cloud Cover nerfs come out to
12s uptime instead of 20s, every 40s or so
no builder +100% critdam during that time
8% less damage during that time
proven ocean
Dw
glass mortar
PS hit so hard
proven ocean
fossil mountain
Are we swapping to arms warrior or what
u havent already swapped off this forgotten spec?
river wing
which basically means that instead of providing like +20% overall bonus
Cloud Cover is gonna be maybe what, 5-6%?
proven ocean
good luck applying in lfg boys
old gull
solo tell me how bad it is, i am too dumb
proven ocean
Was gonna tomorrow
frail veldt
hello
rotund haven
Why they do this
proven ocean
What
proven ocean
Wdym was gonna tomorrow
gaunt phoenix
Rip the smoke
proven ocean
English left the chat
frail veldt
theres no pin yet im lost
glass mortar
im gonna do it tomorrow?
copper radish
👀
hollow portal
gg smoke
proven ocean
im gonna do it tomorrow?
Ye u said i was gonna start tomorrow
slim hare
I just heard something happened
we are nerfed more than dk and still tricketer ahead
haughty wigeon
Rip the smoke
Screenshotting this
hollow bloom
proven ocean
I will try eating yesterday
halcyon quiver
whats the drama
proven ocean
runic gulch
Rip the smoke
Bestow a pin upon us
winter skiff
So many people are gonna look at the 5% damage increase and think that outlaw is being buffed with this change lol
glass mortar
PUBLIK POST
runic gulch
So I can rewrite this entire script
near rock
https://klipy.com/gifs/smoking-that--k01KQK6HD9VS4PRRW87A3DZB7X7
why are u here
pliant wave
Where are they even taking feedback, exactly, when the dev notes say they’re “listening to feedback”?
pure pewter
why are u here
thin snow
yeah thats ok guys i didnt wanna play rogue anyways
proven ocean
was gunna tomorrow
I was going to eat tomorrow 
near rock
i see
hollow portal
So many people are gonna look at the 5% damage increase and think that outlaw is...
x2 Several people have written that to me, another buff to the rogue on other Discord servers, they'd better think that xd
wintry solar
Where are they even taking feedback, exactly, when the dev notes say they’re “li...
Feedback of peers, they never told us who they're listening to
proven ocean
Guys relax its just a nerf lol
vivid vessel
@glass mortar ok look worse thing its a 5% nerf cause fb is "only" 10% behind and its getting a 5% buff
no ?
winter skiff
yeah it's a buff alright... for leveling lol
glass mortar
I was going to eat tomorrow <:omegalul:453555539490635776>
it doesnt make sense in a general term but if you said "i was going to eat (food type) tomorrow it would make sense
idk y ur being weird
glass mortar
<@185854083964469249> ok look worse thing its a 5% nerf cause fb is "only" 10% b...
its 13% for me
vivid vessel
with dogshit damage
proven ocean
it doesnt make sense in a general term but if you said "i was going to eat (food...
I mean u said “i was gonna start diablo tomorrow”
vivid vessel
let me sim more
near rock
@pure pewter remember when I ran the PI sheet and you dmed me saying to add a note for shadow priests to not give up their PI
radiant wyvern
isnt fb further behind in aoe
near rock
good times
glass mortar
I mean u said “i was gonna start diablo tomorrow”
yes a specific thing
proven ocean
U just dont want to admit u said it wrong weran…
glass mortar
wat
pure pewter
<@165904439947952128> remember when I ran the PI sheet and you dmed me saying to...
i am goldfish brain
but vagely?
gray summit
Rip the smoke
We suceed to summon soli
vivid vessel
idk im bottom dps every dungeon
winter skiff
Well look on the bright side:
Dispatch will hit a little bit harder!
serene urchin
so is fatebound close now with the changes
harsh forge
somebody tell me what to think
serene urchin
can we finally get off fart cloud
proven ocean
Zac
glass mortar
proven ocean
I have a vision
gray summit
Zac j’ai la vision
gray summit
Trickster is ahead for’sure
frail veldt
not sure I understand
river wing
because they're behind on damage in logs so they got an actual buff
pure pewter
i blame weran personally
proven ocean
i blame weran personally
vivid vessel
why did sub get a 7% buff
cant let sub be bad bro
glass mortar
its true
radiant wyvern
its insane the amount of aura buffs rogue overall has gotten so far and its still trash
vivid vessel
if i have to finish lura prog
slim hare
not sure I understand
they dont want outlaw played thats it
glass mortar
i was fart clouding all over a dev in some keys last week before the hotfix for dungeons
random stirrup
proven ocean
Weran brb sleep ok
glass mortar
we get what we deserved
winter skiff
Maybe some streamer was talking about how op outlaw was
proven ocean
ye <@229386660326932481>
As a casual addict of rogue ye rogue sucks
vivid vessel
so he can gap them
short briar
Lol not seeing demo nerfs is crazy
radiant root
I feel it a bit funny; it seems that UDK and DDH have been nerfed by far less than outlaw
vivid vessel
and then put it in title
slim hare
zac and casual refusing to sandbag
hollow bloom
can we reroll the changes? got a bad roll i think.
vivid vessel
JACKPOT HIGHROLLER ?? OUTLAW NEW META ?? 350K OVERALLS WITHOUT AUG??
ember rock
ye can we roll the nerfs
proven ocean
Yes the usual rogue is op!! Then omgomg why nerf!!
hollow bloom
proven ocean
lucid sparrow
zac, is it over
lone crow
that mfker clickbaits as much as zeross did
vivid vessel
you tell me
radiant wyvern
zac and casual refusing to sandbag
how can u sandbag on the bottom of the meter
lucid sparrow
Warrior got buffed
proven ocean
GUYS
river wing
https://tenor.com/view/critical-failure-baldur%27s-gate-3-dice-dice-roll-critica...
there's one that says DC 2
desert spindle
Maybe some streamer was talking about how op outlaw was
they saw wox upload a rogue guide for first time and said yeah hell that shit gotta be op
proven ocean
WHY THEY NERF US
vivid vessel
i feel like dk and aug got nerfed by less than outalw
proven ocean
OGMGOGMG
proven ocean
that mfker clickbaits as much as zeross did
What
proven ocean
I never clickbait
vivid vessel
bro
lucid sparrow
Warriir
vivid vessel
tribal sapphire
if i have to finish lura prog
and sin?
lucid sparrow
Got
winter skiff
Does Dalaran still make wow vids? He used to be the king of click bait class change titles
fossil lintel
why did sub get a larger compensation buff than us?
slim hare
how can u sandbag on the bottom of the meter
r1 key with no dmg and no utility must nerf
daring yoke
Rip the smoke
We summoned him bois
fossil lintel
does that make any sense?
river wing
can we reroll the changes? got a bad roll i think.
like I keep saying
we are balanced by non-LD, non-Sleight RtB results
lone crow
My titles were 100% accurate
frfr
warm fractal
so we go back fatebound cause it just got a flat 5%?
copper radish
Does Dalaran still make wow vids? He used to be the king of click bait class cha...
Yes and he made one about trickster outlaw lol
vivid vessel
does that make any sense?
because this is how tuning is done lil bro
river wing
so we go back fatebound cause it just got a flat 5%?
remains to be seen but probably not
winter skiff
so there you go, streamers lol
inner sleet
because this is how tuning is done lil bro
where assa buff than
proven ocean
where assa buff than
outlaw zucks now lol or?
fossil lintel
because this is how tuning is done lil bro
on imperator specifically?
vivid vessel
on imperator specifically?
ye
only
tuning is for casuals
casuals dont go past 1st boss
copper radish
so there you go, streamers lol
“Why it’s actually insane right now”
radiant wyvern
blizz, just take us back to tww s3 tuning so ican quit til next expac again
elfin obsidian
how much overall % loss do we expect in keys?
slim hare
guy is it time
tough ocean
is the the sin dream for guy
elder sonnet
i think trickster still clears fatebound, but its just more shit than it is currently
slim hare
10 % nerf to trickster
pliant wave
I already made an Arms Warrior and I’m leveling it right now. See you guys in Skyhold
river wing
where assa buff than
no buff
only slap down
dusk dirge
Outlaw & Sub nerf is Assa buff \o/
vivid vessel
Outlaw & ~~Sub~~ nerf is Assa buff \o/
sub is a buff lil bro
copper radish
DEVOUREUR IS 5% NERF
And still 5% ahead of everyone else 😂
vagrant kettle
DEVOUREUR IS 5% NERF
wtf!!!!
pure pewter
Can I get a rough idea of the tuning, no memes or stuff going on
do you need some1 to write overrides
jovial dome
Look Zac, leave my other spec alone. I won't have anywhere to go if you get it nerfed more
vivid vessel
do you need some1 to write overrides
i dont think you can
dusk dirge
sub is a buff lil bro
ah y mb , i'm tired
vivid vessel
unless you have a local version of simc
pure pewter
i can do that
vivid vessel
ok then
restive bluff
i just started getting good and enjoying outlaw 
why don't blizz want people playing this shit
tribal sapphire
sub is a buff lil bro
nerf
pure pewter
is there a profile in simc
hybrid pecan
Publik in the outlaw discord?
dusk dirge
7% overall for SUb seem big but nerf trickster seem big so
w8 tc/sim update
vivid vessel
idk i can find only one somekscreen buff in spell data
and overriding the duration doesnt do anything
dusty magnet
figured by lookin at it
dusk dirge
In multitarget, Fury Slayer gains ~10% and Arms ~6%.```
vivid vessel
```In single target, Fury Slayer gains ~10% and Arms ~8%.,
In multitarget, Fury ...
ok fuck slawer tho
cinder relic
do you need some1 to write overrides
Thank u btw gamer
inner sleet
collossus gains close to nothing, they dont press execute, and overpower doesnt hit any hard
river wing
hmm
pure pewter
do you guys want me to put these into simc or nah
river wing
might actually bring slayer close to colossus actually, no?
vivid vessel
you prolly play it in some keys
dusk dirge
what about collossus
surely buff but less than slayer imo, havn't number atm for Colossus & Thane
river wing
like it's behind by around that much
deft mason
how is this spec paying for its sins 8 years later
opaque pumice
whats outlaw look like?
vivid vessel
do you guys want me to put these into simc or nah
its not until next week so prolly not
craggy barn
hollow temple
Can I get a rough idea of the tuning, no memes or stuff going on
The trickster interactions are gone
river wing
how is this spec paying for its sins 8 years later
brother
we are paying for the sins of 2005 rogues ganking poor timmys in STV still
BfA is just a footnote
long barn
This make me hate my life
tough ocean
how is this spec paying for its sins 8 years later
because blizz is still living in the past
long barn
I literally hate blizzard
cinder relic
The trickster interactions are gone
Yeah I saw
old gull
all dozen of us should quit to send them a message
cinder relic
Kind of a crazy like, random patch change honestly
deft mason
class that brings 0 real utility, cosmetic raid buff and ofc gotta nerf its dmg
vivid vessel
nah outlaw was too good bro
deft mason
not to compare difficulty of play vs something like devourer and demo warlock
its laughable
winter skiff
Outlaw was climbing hard but blizz pulled the rug before it even got to the top of the mountain
vivid vessel
classic outlaw
river wing
outlaw was actually visible in top-10 DPS
keen belfry
remember when we said they didnt even know what they were releasing with outlaw changes
lucid sparrow
deft mason
outlaw is almost topping external healing required while devourer can do whole key without single heal
2026
lucid sparrow
i figured it kinda obvious they would do this to outlaw
winter skiff
how tf do we get nerfed more than devourer
Clickbait Youtube vids and streamers talking about how great trickster outlaw was
vivid vessel
u dont just get away with 13% bjff
i mean i still cant believe we got a 13% buff and we were still not a good spec
this is kinda wild to me
long barn
Clickbait Youtube vids and streamers talking about how great trickster outlaw wa...
It’s literally true. All those emo fucking shit YouTube’s shrilled this
vivid vessel
like im bottom dps every key with my grp
idk
like its not bad but
its not good either
lucid sparrow
yes ! season 2 will fix it zac
deft mason
if that raid buff rework isnt crit dmg raid buff, it might be time to hang it up
vivid vessel
ye season 2 is our season guys
lone crow
ye every season which is not the current season is gonna be our season!
winter skiff
maybe outlaw will get a busted tier bonus next season
slim hare
our season at the bottom of the meter
clear zephyr
next season is always our season haha
deft mason
ill use this picture for tweet tmrw ty
slim hare
as always why cope
winter skiff
Maybe shroud will actually be useful again
restive bluff
deft mason
shroud was useful for half a season
twin nebula
ragebait?
violet osprey
Nah we deserved nerf i got 2 invites in 7 hours today
winter skiff
It was used a lot in BFA
vivid vessel
ill use this picture for tweet tmrw ty
i was looking at seat for some reason
this is overall dungeons
but ye idk
river wing
if that raid buff rework isnt crit dmg raid buff, it might be time to hang it u...
what rework
hybrid pecan
i was looking at seat for some reason
hey at least we're not below fire mages
vivid vessel
hey at least we're not below fire mages
we are tho
lowest pop spec
out of every spec in the game
inland cairn
vivid vessel
and this spec get nerfed
slim hare
vivid vessel
deft mason
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/453328504134565888/1490846803707564043/firefox_axPKt79nkY.gif
winter skiff
There's an outlaw rogue with over 4k score though
hollow bloom
there are literally dozens of us....
dusk dirge
if we can return Fatebound, i will be happy
old gull
play the simple spec, reroll sub, build your dollhouse, buy the decor
hybrid pecan
Well then good thing im a hipster and only play the least played spec in the game
vivid vessel
There's an outlaw rogue with over 4k score though
and what does that tell you
it was the same in s3 tww
inland cairn
it cant be the best rogue spec they dont want the sins and subs to reroll to it 
deft mason
aug 2% nerf HAHAH
fathom bramble
if we can return Fatebound, i will be happy
any of the individual nerfs is probably enough to make trickster lose more than 5% and there's 3 of them
river wing
sometimes I really wonder
if they just don't like the class
like it's on the agenda to make Rogue feel neglected
because it's been a steady decline for almost a decade now
fathom bramble
probably a return to fatebound angle
pure pewter
can some1 explain this to me in terms of simc
Trickster: Additional stacks of Fazed granted by Cloud Cover no longer increase the magnitude of secondary effects, such as the damage reduction from the Smoke talent.
the max stack thing is 7%
pure pewter
or is it not relevant
river wing
can some1 explain this to me in terms of simc
```
Trickster: Additional stacks...
no crit dmg bonus stacking
waxen gull
Is the latest change a buff or a nerf?
fathom bramble
can some1 explain this to me in terms of simc
```
Trickster: Additional stacks...
the 50% crit dmg amp no longer stacks
vivid vessel
this stacks with fazed
wintry solar
sometimes I really wonder
if they just don't like the class
like it's on the age...
I really think blizz just doesn't like tuning around restless blades
pure pewter
okay so stack value from fazed is no longer relevant
pure pewter
it just needs to check if fazed is active?
vivid vessel
okay so stack value from fazed is no longer relevant
ye
river wing
I really think blizz just doesn't like tuning around restless blades
I think they legit think Restless Blades should be tuned for 100% uptime (and possibly 3-buff)
fathom bramble
so was it doing 150% then, with 3 stacks?
yes
pure pewter
got it thanks
fathom bramble
well what it technically does is Surprising strikes modifies the fazed debuff itself to have 50% crit damage per stack
pure pewter
# All damage increased by 5%. Does not affect PvP combat.
override.spell_data=effect.179720.base_value=64
override.spell_data=effect.191056.base_value=64
# Trickster: Cloud Cover primary and secondary duration reduced to 6 seconds (was 10 seconds).
override.spell_data=effect.1135886.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=effect.1313710.base_value=6000
# Trickster: Cloud Cover now causes Fazed to stack 1 additional time (was 2).
override.spell_data=effect.1313616.base_value=1
# Trickster: No Scruples crit chance bonus increased to 12% (was 10%).
override.spell_data=effect.1135822.base_value=12
this is the others if people want to double check while i wire that
lucid sparrow
i just hope outlaw hits rock bottom on the charts again
fathom bramble
idk what that means for a override
lucid sparrow
i want it to be dead last
wintry solar
I think they legit think Restless Blades should be tuned for 100% uptime (and po...
Wdym?
fathom bramble
might make doing an override hard
hybrid pecan
It's pretty much just "during ar you deal 8% more damage" now
fathom bramble
for that specific change since it's mechanical not just numbers
pure pewter
yeah you cant override that one
wintry solar
Oh okay
near holly
I don’t understand what is this game anymore. Another next season surely angle?
wintry solar
Makes sense ye
river wing
I don’t understand what is this game anymore. Another next season surely angl...
I've been waiting for two years now
waxen gull
I just wait for the day they uncap bladeflurry ngl
tough ocean
all of us rn
gray summit
```
# All damage increased by 5%. Does not affect PvP combat.
override.spell_dat...
Seems good
strong halo
Is it really a 10% nerf or are people exaggerating
radiant wyvern
radiant steppe
can someone already sim new patch
lucid sparrow
it prob is more tjan 10%
near holly
We get two weeks of maybe being the best rogue spec on some fights. Surely can’t have this.
covert harness
And i just got my outlaw rouge 4 set and 270 gear, now they nerf, f
fair sparrow
Is it really a 10% nerf or are people exaggerating
i mean to trickster yeah its probably around 10%
strong halo
I did a key with a 249 demo lock did a 700k burst. But yeah let’s nerf outlaw
river wing
We get two weeks of maybe being the best rogue spec on some fights. Surely can’t...
not even the best DPS
just the best Rogue spec
not even on all fights
just on some fights
drifting egret
blizz already cooking up the compensation buffs for devourer after this patch
pure pewter
is this the only thing relevant that you know of
elfin grotto
With our stats fallback is assa I suppose? 😄
waxen gull
I was such a lover for rogue back inf BFA. Haven’t touched the class since they capped bladeflurry? Can you close the discord in protest? 
elfin grotto
I don't have any mastery in case Outlaw is dogshit after the nerf
river wing
With our stats fallback is assa I suppose? 😄
our stats are bad for either Assa/Sub, but slightly better for Assa
vivid vessel
is this the only thing relevant that you know of
in term of damage yes
dusk dirge
what about collossus
Thane gains ~6% in both cases, while the impact on Colossus is pretty minimal.
lucid sparrow
Im convinced blizzard has a roleplay thing with outlaw and thats why its called outlaw
The outlaw robs a bank and gets away with the bag of 6 combo points, pocket lint and gum wrappers (buffed by 3%)
The outlaw gets caught by police (Blizzard) and gets sentenced to prison (nerfed by 15%)
Outlaw escapes (buffed by 16%)
Repeat
elfin grotto
our stats are bad for either Assa/Sub, but slightly better for Assa
Isn't assa also crit/haste (at least what it says on wowhead)
river wing
Isn't assa also crit/haste (at least what it says on wowhead)
I mean it works, but IDK if you can neglect mastery on Assa this season
radiant wyvern
Im convinced blizzard has a roleplay thing with outlaw and thats why its called ...
the big score that we get away with is a handful of pocket lint and some gum wrappers
elfin grotto
I mean it works, but IDK if you can neglect mastery on Assa this season
Damn, I literally picked up my rogue on reset last week and spent entire week gearing like crazy so I can swap it to my main, then they fuck us up... 😄
Guess I'll play it regardless but kinda sad
next shuttle
So we going back to fatebound?
fair ice
isnt fatebound outlaw giga buffed
river wing
isnt fatebound outlaw giga buffed
idk if you'd call 5% gigabuffed
river wing
esp since it's coupled with losing 10%+ compared to trickster
proper crown
lose 15%, get 5%. GIGA
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> Are we back to cancelling blade flurry for arms now?
wdym, you were still doing it
proper crown
outmath me if u can
pure pewter
in term of damage yes
?
lucid sparrow
Only place you're going back to is the character select screen and picking warlock
river wing
well ur losing 10% if u stay trickster
look at it like this
we were doing 100 as FB
then trickster got buffed and we did 115
now we're losing anywhere between 10 to 15 on trickster
but FB will be doing 105
fair ice
yep
pure pewter
yeah
vivid vessel
i swear i have never seen this in my life
fair ice
so u go from 110-115 to 105
vivid vessel
oh its a new talent
pure pewter
fair ice
thats between a 4.5% and 8.7% nerf
river wing
thats between a 4.5% and 8.7% nerf
if it ends up being anything more than 5%
it's laughable
bc DDH got -5% and it's broken
and UDK got -6% and it's way stronger than 'law
novel isle
we got a nerf? 😄
proper crown
we got a nerf? 😄
only if nerf means doing less damage
novel isle
sick! is FB meta yet?
river wing
sick! is FB meta yet?
check back later
fair ice
if it ends up being anything more than 5%
it's laughable
thats also assuming the changes bring trickster to below 105
which i have no idea
vivid vessel
fazed increases crit chance?
no just crit damage
covert harness
I dont get the nerfs, it’s absurd.
pure pewter
no just crit damage
did it used to?
novel isle
I dont want FB to be meta, I want to be the hipster playing the cool spec while you all cast killing spree
pure pewter
simc is coded to have fazed increase crit chance
vivid vessel
if thats the question
lucid sparrow
U already know the next hotfix is gonna be "We overshot the nerf for outlaw so we are compensating by 2%"
vivid vessel
uh
river wing
U already know the next hotfix is gonna be "We overshot the nerf for outlaw so w...
also have another BF nerf by 2%
vivid vessel
i dont remmeber honestly
abstract frost
wdym, you were still doing it
20.68% nerf trickster nerfs. Can you confirm?
pure pewter
fazed debuff effect 5, looks like its global disabled with bool fazed_crit_chance = false;
long bramble
guys we never got that 14% let s be real so maybe it s a buff with that 5% aura buff
vivid vessel
20.68% nerf trickster nerfs. Can you confirm?
30% i heard
river wing
this is the alt talent to Cloud Cover, No Scruples
hidden sky
also have another BF nerf by 2%
And we're changing bf to back to 5 target cap
pure pewter
weird
vivid vessel
im ngl i dont remember fazed increasing crit chance but maybe im cooked
gaunt phoenix
that's a talent that is a choice node to cloud cover, so fazed would not be stacking with it anyway
karmic cedar
pure pewter
sorry reading some1 elses code is difficult lol
looks like its just wired for it if it ever does again
my guess is at one point it did
fathom whale
Omg ong class tuning
gaunt phoenix
they probably just put suppress point stacking on effects 4 and beyond
pure pewter
unfort simc doesnt read that
or at least it doesnt with the rogue implementation afaik
gaunt phoenix
i mean after the tuning
near holly
Wowhead better do one of those expected tuning posts and ours is -14% right next to devourer -5%.
queen pine
what the real nerf %?
got clickbaited by 5% buff overall 🙁
covert harness
Ppl still figuring out the nerf i guess
pure pewter
alright this should be it https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/pull/11429
vivid vessel
@pure pewter idk the overrides arent proper imo, if the duration of cloud cover went from 10 to 6
how come im going from 61% uptime to 51%
am i missing something
pure pewter
<@165904439947952128> idk the overrides arent proper imo, if the duration of clo...
# Trickster: Cloud Cover primary and secondary duration reduced to 6 seconds (was 10 seconds).
override.spell_data=effect.1135886.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=effect.1313710.base_value=6000
yes
pure pewter
these didnt work?
vivid vessel
it works but
pure pewter
let me check if its somewhere else
vivid vessel
this doesnt make sense to em
like you are almost hafling the duration
but you lose only 10% uptime
i must be cooked its 5am for me
midnight granite
You lose 8 seconds of fart and 1 stack of fazed
fossil lintel
check on the html for the duration of the thing
gaunt phoenix
alright this should be it <https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/pull/11429>
what is this doing?
fossil lintel
see if it looks weird
pure pewter
what is this doing?
Trickster: Additional stacks of Fazed granted by Cloud Cover no longer increase the magnitude of secondary effects, such as the damage reduction from the Smoke talent.
gaunt phoenix
yes, but that is not live right now?
pure pewter
yeah im just putting up the PR to show what im doing locally
pure pewter
vivid vessel
did i miss one i dont think i did
pure pewter
okay let me see its probably using something else
fossil lintel
should be 12
vivid vessel
im assuming it keeps refreshing for the first 10s
and then the duration is indeed 6s
karmic bloom
@pure pewter dont you write the hpriest guides?
fossil lintel
he does
vivid vessel
its prolly smokescreen then
vivid vessel
thats why i was confused earlier
fossil lintel
but he's a chad who helps other specs as well
pure pewter
# All damage increased by 5%. Does not affect PvP combat.
override.spell_data=effect.179720.base_value=64
override.spell_data=effect.191056.base_value=64
# Trickster: Cloud Cover primary and secondary duration reduced to 6 seconds (was 10 seconds).
override.spell_data=effect.1135886.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=effect.1313710.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=effect.1136236.base_value=6000
# Trickster: Cloud Cover now causes Fazed to stack 1 additional time (was 2).
override.spell_data=effect.1313616.base_value=1
# Trickster: No Scruples crit chance bonus increased to 12% (was 10%).
override.spell_data=effect.1135822.base_value=12
vivid vessel
```
override.spell_data=effect.1136236.base_value=6000
```
ye thought so, i was only doing this one earlier and it wasnt doing anything
i guess its just all 3, and i missed some
ty
vivid vessel
gray rapids
We cooked chat? Rip?
vivid vessel
where the fuck is this coming from
it might be a weird script because the way its coded in game you drop a cloud and it refresh perma when you are inside the cloud
vagrant kettle
We cooked chat? Rip?
rip
lucid sparrow
season 2 !
vivid vessel
idk how it was implemented in simc
vagrant kettle
wake me up in season 2?
vivid vessel
so the cloud is up for 10s
fair ice
oh, is the cloud not 6 seconds now
vivid vessel
yes it will be
fair ice
kk
vivid vessel
just doesnt seem that way with the overrides in sims rn
winter steppe
We cooked chat? Rip?
We've been cooked since the expac lol
drifting burrow
bro's we are omega cooked
clear zephyr
when was outlaw last good season?
vivid vessel
s2 tww
cinder relic
https://www.twitch.tv/woxtoxic/clip/LivelyHumbleGoblinOSsloth--1ES9WsLLlg_-duL
LMFAOOOOO
thorny zinc
u think with this nerf they r also going to remove the cloud going away refresh
timber zephyr
that guy should make his bed lol
long bramble
when was outlaw last good season?
s3 df
dusky steeple
How much - DPS are WE speaking?
outer meteor
i hecking love outlaw
river wing
How much - DPS are WE speaking?
lots
timber zephyr
is it time to reroll ret?
river wing
well probably not bottom, fire mage is there
winter steppe
Basically we are back to the fucking bottom
Yep they seen rogues middle of the pack and said nah we can't have that
river wing
but we're certainly back below median
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> ?
yes i will accept this one
pure pewter
# All damage increased by 5%. Does not affect PvP combat.
override.spell_data=effect.179720.base_value=64
override.spell_data=effect.191056.base_value=64
# Trickster: Cloud Cover primary and secondary duration reduced to 6 seconds (was 10 seconds).
override.spell_data=effect.1135886.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=effect.1313710.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=effect.1136236.base_value=6000
override.spell_data=spell.441587.duration=6000
# Trickster: Cloud Cover now causes Fazed to stack 1 additional time (was 2).
override.spell_data=effect.1313616.base_value=1
# Trickster: No Scruples crit chance bonus increased to 12% (was 10%).
override.spell_data=effect.1135822.base_value=12
this time for real
long tundra
gray rapids
I just need to hear in big red text that we Are dead and need to reroll???
vivid vessel
cant believe there was only 4 cloud cover duration in spell data
lucid sparrow
you know if we close this channel literally nobody would notice or care
pure pewter
yeah fuck me i guess
lucid sparrow
theres like a handful of outlaw players
hollow portal
We have to speak up
That doesn't work for rogues, only for classes with many players.
pure pewter
okay so unfortunately i cant do a buff/nerf in a single sim without writing more code
river wing
my mage friend said outlaw saved were buffed
why can't caster players read?
wintry solar
my mage friend said outlaw saved were buffed
That was when we thought we weren't playing KS
harsh forge
somebody give me a random % to tell them we were buffed by
night dagger
how much are we loosing ??
wintry solar
And that was a meme
last sierra
send base
pure pewter
9% ish if my math is right