most classes have a normal curve
#outlaw
gaunt phoenix
ashen void
I love that
radiant wyvern
i simmed subtlety and it was like 15% vs my 26% on law
random stirrup
everything is a normal curve in the end 
gaunt phoenix
if you sim like 40 seconds it will skew
ashen void
if you sim like 40 seconds it will skew
bro be just like me fr
i love distributions 
wait so do you use z/t testing to see whether apl changes are significantly different
ancient cobalt
chat is this fuckin true
ashen void
im sure that's playing a little fast and loose
ancient cobalt
so dope if true ill try it soon tm ty for info
vivid vessel
chat is this fuckin true
fake news dont tell anyone omr
ancient cobalt
tight kernel
yo rtb, we kir if no loaded dice and stage 2 or just hold till 3+
ashen void
i guess robot does it for us in a way
gaunt phoenix
yo rtb, we kir if no loaded dice and stage 2 or just hold till 3+
you can cause it feels better
but sim would gamble for 3
tight kernel
on god i got back to back stage 1 for like 4 rolls straight man
okay maybe not 4 rolls but felt like it
proven ocean
radiant wyvern
on god i got back to back stage 1 for like 4 rolls straight man
how
proven ocean
U know what elert
radiant wyvern
elert
proven ocean
Im straitng to lkei ur cat
radiant wyvern
hes not bad
radiant wyvern
he likes being bald
proven ocean
If a cat is blind it wont tell its owner yo give me eyes
It will just meow back
Tiktok brainrot got u so badly elerk..
radiant wyvern
i don't even have a tik tok
proven ocean
nice on
radiant wyvern
no instagram i dont watch short form content on youtube either
they just made me wrong in the lab
hardy thicket
hardy thicket
final pagoda
@vivid vessel trying it again
reef forge
does anyone know if you can change the strata levels of the new weakauras?
lone surge
hi im new to rogue why do we invis in m+ at the start?
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> trying it again
My unit frame addon
Shadowed unit frames
Most unit frames add-ons do that idk
It's just debuff
I don't mean my unit frame addon as the one I made
Just the one I'm using
radiant wyvern
suf still updated? i switched off it in midnight prepatch
keen belfry
its just movespeed
well i dont take the talent sometimes so this is a lie
all good tho
@outer meteor my warrior needs big keys
gaunt phoenix
I would never lie to my fellow outlaws
outer meteor
<@240241824155828224> my warrior needs big keys
i need 2 more for resil 20
then can do slingshot
on the war
thorny hull
whats the set piece we dont use as outlaw ? i see some people use off set head,shoulder or legs any tips ?
keen belfry
i need 2 more for resil 20
cant beleive fizz gapped me
gaunt phoenix
whats the set piece we dont use as outlaw ? i see some people use off set head,s...
helm
keen belfry
i kinda hate rtb
i dont think i played better than other keys but i just rolled
jackpoots
outer meteor
yep
wintry leaf
What's the benefit of Outlaw or Sub? Sub has more survival, Outlaw does more DMG?
I need to spend my Mythic crests soon on a sword or dagger....I like em both playstyle though
keen belfry
and 3buff
gaunt phoenix
What's the benefit of Outlaw or Sub? Sub has more survival, Outlaw does more DMG...
sub is 90 second burst
outlaw doesnt really burst, it's full sustain
ivory hemlock
guys is outlaw now le best spec de la rouge?
gaunt phoenix
yes
ivory hemlock
nice
hollow kite
outlaw doesnt really burst, it's full sustain
Is outlaw better for higher keys then ?
outer meteor
is there any way to see ace procs in logs ?
is it just resources - combo points - ace?
quick oak
question about the sims, it's telling me to play 20% haste and use crit flask instead of haste flask, every log and others I've checked are using 23-25% haste, can someone explain to me what the sims are targeting and what is ideal to target?
craggy barn
!haste
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
craggy barn
for single target sims, it does prefer u are at the lower end of haste (21-23%) but in keys having more haste seems more preferable for energy
quick oak
thank you very much
last sierra
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JfDwA71XPd62YZjv?fight=last&type=casts&source=2&view=timeline
someone break down why im poop if u have time k thx
stuck sparrow
sometimes i wonder how people consistently spell the class name wrong so often
ashen void
Yeah it is rouge just like that bat from sonic
arctic hollow
is there any way to see ace procs in logs ?
Not really, logs are shit to read for outlaw. Best way to analyse a pull is to record it with a spell tracker
buoyant stratus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184888068264689756/1499663888713519165/i...
No shout no mark no crystal no pot just one big cock and a dream
(Its ragebait augmented damage btw)
ashen void
No shout no mark no crystal no pot just one big cock and a dream
Charrend don't lie
You had the power of the Chaos Emeralds with you this entire time
outer meteor
No shout no mark no crystal no pot just one big cock and a dream
big
ashen void
outer meteor
love augmented dmg
keen belfry
genuine Q how do i get hero crests for an alt
ashen void
https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-2005-chaos-emeralds-sega-gif-65173109...
this video is proof charrend the hedgehog has the chaos emeralds and is using them to parse
outer meteor
genuine Q how do i get hero crests for an alt
get to doing 7s buddy
nah but prob just have to cap myth
and go from there
ashen void
genuine Q how do i get hero crests for an alt
I think the new void assaults or whatever are legit a good way to farm hero crests or so ive read
you can get like 20 hero crests for a pretty quick gameplay investment. No more than 10m I think? But IDK the particulars.
keen belfry
i should do that
dusty blaze
aye the ritual yeah
outer meteor
wait true
opal raven
ty goat
atomic jasper
guys im about to do my first craft as outlaw, when check murlok its kinda random
what is our best embelishments?
im bonus rolling dreamrift and pit of saron(do we replace off hand dagger with this bis dagger or keep it crafted and embelished?)
gaunt phoenix
what is our best embelishments?
Hunt/void/arcanoweave is the same result
Crafting dagger vs rando leather item is literally the same result for me
atomic jasper
so 2x arcanoweave and 289 sword + dagger?
gaunt phoenix
Yes that's fine
atomic jasper
we never go Prismatic Focusing Iris i guess?
vagrant kettle
guys when i pop my smoke, i dont see shit, any advice or any config? pleaseeeeeee
red tendon
we never go Prismatic Focusing Iris i guess?
Why not?
reef plinth
Where is a good sword to get mythic at? I don't run raids right now so I cna't get mythic sword that way
red tendon
I see some people going prismatic and also both guides saying it
reef plinth
Prismatic only adds roughly 10k maybe to your top dmg, I run it and it barely does anything, better to just go flat stat
red tendon
Ah, I see some people running it though in top. But espacially why do both online gudies still advice it
glass mortar
Where is a good sword to get mythic at? I don't run raids right now so I cna't g...
think the only real "good" mythic sword is is from alleria mythic (raid)
if u want dungeon weapons then crafted with an embellishment is probably going to be a close contender or might even win tbh
red tendon
if u want dungeon weapons then crafted with an embellishment is probably going t...
Isnt the ilvl damage going to beat, even if not BiS stats?
glass shard
aug reroll is calling me
red tendon
With eapons
glass shard
embelishment
glass mortar
no not necessarily
itll depend on ur gear abit tho
if u already have good crit and the haste u need it might. i know loktark said he was struggling to find a mythic mh that outsimmed embellished weapon other then allerias sword
the weapon embels are noticably ahead of the non weapon ones this season so it can be enough to make up the gap in ilvl
but you can just sim these things
buoyant stratus
this video is proof charrend the hedgehog has the chaos emeralds and is using th...
Obama chuckled, "You mean the chaos emeralds??"
ancient veldt
About to make a outlaw. Im 3600 on aug and 3300 on 2 other meta specs. I want something melee. This is my choice. Any advice for first time outlaw?
dense coral
About to make a outlaw. Im 3600 on aug and 3300 on 2 other meta specs. I want so...
Go UH DK. Much easier
ancient veldt
How dare you assume easy is what im.looking for
red tendon
the weapon embels are noticably ahead of the non weapon ones this season so it *...
Ah, I play Hunter next to this and for hunter weapon embelish is just as strong as nin weapon ones, so as soon you can take 2 normal ones on other stuff and have a higer ilvl weapon with random stats, its beating the crafted weapon with embelish
But I guess for rogue diff then
Is it Void or Hunt embelish?
buoyant stratus
How dare you assume easy is what im.looking for
Hit your buttons follow rules dont drop gcds
glass mortar
both
patent lion
Obama chuckled, "You mean the chaos emeralds??"
I miss us
solar geyser
!logs
glass mortar
im currently using both
elfin grotto
About to make a outlaw. Im 3600 on aug and 3300 on 2 other meta specs. I want so...
make sure to spend sufficient time to set up your cdm because it's basically dance dance revolution based on procs 😄
glass mortar
they are similar values tho
red tendon
im currently using both
2 crafted weapons?
glass mortar
yes
red tendon
What if I have MH crafred and dagger from PoS?
glass mortar
then sim it or go void because versatility also gives u dr
ancient veldt
make sure to spend sufficient time to set up your cdm because it's basically dan...
Ok can I track each RtB stage seperately?
glass mortar
pretty sure they r very similar values tho
patent lion
You dont wanna know the horrors i commited on assa ystrday
I got approved for supercharger pooling on bird
red tendon
Okee
patent lion
We are in hell
glass mortar
ok so its just 1 minute of afking before egg phase
ancient veldt
make sure to spend sufficient time to set up your cdm because it's basically dan...
Give me a quick rundown on what to track to be efficient
glass mortar
.... just 1 minute surely right
buoyant stratus
I got approved for supercharger pooling on bird
I put zimbita through hell
Yes it was also DS
elfin grotto
Give me a quick rundown on what to track to be efficient
well pretty much what you see in the outlaw FAQ so opportunity procs, rtb blade flurry, stuff like that
ancient veldt
well pretty much what you see in the outlaw FAQ so opportunity procs, rtb blade ...
Ok. Pistol shot at 6+ stacks right?
elfin grotto
Ok. Pistol shot at 6+ stacks right?
always at 6+ at 3+ only if 1-3 CB
ancient veldt
always at 6+ at 3+ only if 1-3 CB
CB?
ancient veldt
CP*
At 1 CP would warrant another builder after a pistol shot if its less than 6 right?
elfin grotto
yy
gaunt phoenix
ye
ancient veldt
And BtE, why is 6 acceptable to send at? Cause all builders would overcap?
gaunt phoenix
yes, you would overcap too much to always 7
ancient veldt
Yea makes sense
ashen void
I put zimbita through hell
wtf
reef plinth
Jesus man, I take like a week long break from outlaw and it's almost like i've never played the spec before lol
patent lion
what procs that for sin
Yes…. Sin…..
glass mortar
ok so its from shadow dances
that is way less toxic then what i was imagining LMAO
still sounds annoying af tho
steep shell
we have one mdt simc?
glass mortar
me when im playing sin and press kingsbane then dont use any finishers for the next minute
steep shell
dint see in guides
glass mortar
humble badge
Does Killing Spree have a target cap?
ancient veldt
Pit for rolls?
glass mortar
Does Killing Spree have a target cap?
it only hits 1 guy at a time
its target cap is blade flurry
cobalt elbow
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
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frail veldt
#outlaw-faq has opener info
river zenith
hello, what is the addon that tells you "no sprint / no hook" with timer? would be useful to have that text big
hardy thicket
can u cloak the dispel on Averzian and it counts as it was dispelled ontop of add
?
formal thunder
pretty sure no
oak badge
Hey guys a newbie here. Is Blade Flurry spread from the target or from me?
Does my postioning matter in the cleave?
primal holly
from you @oak badge so yeah ur positioning does matter
clear creek
just learned slice and dice is used in the opener. just confirming but i figure you dont use slice and dice after opener?
glass mortar
yea
u only use it in the opener because a dispatch would consume supercharger
and you want to get ur first ones on BtE
clear creek
gotcha thank you
primal holly
slightly smaller than efflo, its 8yds instead of 10 @oak badge
oak badge
slightly smaller than efflo, its 8yds instead of 10 <@252794298532233216>
thank you
clear creek
actually another question regarding a gear scenario, i still need 4 piece as i just hit 250 today from 222 yesterday since ive been grinding. head shoulders legs and boots are champion but gloves are garbage. should i try to craft and spark gloves for 4 piece on it or just 4 piece the ones i have on champion now?
glass mortar
you cant transform crafted gear
primal holly
advantage of catalysing the 4 piece is that more charges will drop from u in content
glass mortar
so no dont do that
clear creek
you cant transform crafted gear
yes thats right
i forgot ty
i always forget that
so yeah, 4 piece what ive got or just wait for gloves?
glass mortar
but as alabania said, theres a new system in the game where once you unlock 4 set you can drop catalyst charges from all content in the game
clear creek
advantage of catalysing the 4 piece is that more charges will drop from u in con...
mhm this is the big thing im wondering about
glass mortar
so as soon as u have full champ track gear id just go for it (thats what i did week 2)
primal holly
yeah likewise
clear creek
alright ill just catalyze what ive got
thanks!
as for crafting then, if im still gearing would best bet be weapons?
glass mortar
yea
clear creek
sitting on 7 sparks atm so i can at least craft those
glass mortar
if ur that low ilvl almost certainly
clear creek
cool
glass mortar
if you arent raiding and are planning to use your voidcores on dungeons tho
clear creek
does it matter what weapon like which type or just whatever outlaw one hand i want
glass mortar
id probably just do a MH since you will likely want to use your voidcores on the pit
and it has a good dagger
clear creek
thats good to know, i mw for raid so this is just an alt for now
primal holly
MH can be axe or sword or mace or fist, OH should be dagger
clear creek
gotcha
glass mortar
its fine to say should be
clear creek
itd be the spellbreaker's blade for t he craft?
glass mortar
the gap is the biggest its been in years, so oh should be a dagger if u can find one
its worth like 30 ilvls on a slow weapon now
clear creek
whew
primal holly
its crazy lol
primal holly
yes spellbreaker's blade, let me check but I believe you should be embellishing it also
clear creek
thanks for all the info, any specific embellishment?
clear creek
sounds good
primal holly
I also have a q - I've just come back from holiday and learning the new build (I've played outlaw since start of season, not a reroller!)
Without buffs I'm simming 83k~ dps on ST (in sim 25% of uptime is Jackpot). When I practice for 5 mins and don't hit Jackpot at all, I'll hit about 80k dps, and when I hit Jackpot at least once I'm at 89k~ dps.
Do you reckon I'm fine on rotation now, beyond minor improvements/mistakes?
glass mortar
cant really tell from just that info but if ur decently close to ur sim dps then ur probably fine yea
primal holly
great ty, just wanted reassurance but will keep practicing
glass mortar
trickster has a ton of variance so dummy tests are a bit rough for it
you can trend far in either direction from ur sim dps over single iterations
clear creek
oh yeah, i know BTE is 6 CP or more, what about KS or dispatch?
glass mortar
ks 5+
glass mortar
dispatch 6+
clear creek
ooh okay
primal holly
dispatch at 6+ felt really weird switching from fatebound, still feels a bit weird
glass mortar
yup its pretty stinky
clear creek
i came from playing a bit of assassination so ive been doing +5 cause thats all that needed lmao
glass mortar
hopefully they buff fatebound
primal holly
fatebound feels more fun (though 1hr tricks is goated)
glass mortar
indeed
clear creek
i do like the coinflip idea. fits especially with the rng nature of outlaw already
thx again for all the help. i forgot this char has no myth crests so i guess thats the next step xd
primal holly
enjoy ur farming lol
clear creek
ty, it wont be fun LOL
worldly shale
ok guys im having some diablo time u know
playing roguey
and
i got a crossbow
so
look
at the name
what the hecky
arctic merlin
hello, maybe a silly question, but is sleight of hand bugged or am i just extremely unlucky, i'm rolling one of a kind always outside of loaded dice and loaded dice 9/10 is double troublee
upper hawk
scientific study to get those numbers? because if so, you have found a serious bug
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arctic merlin
scientific study to get those numbers? because if so, you have found a serious b...
i'm in a delve, i'm not kidding i rolled one of a kind 5-6 times in a row outside of loaded dice, loaded dice was about 5-6 double troubles before a jackpot
glass mortar
hello, maybe a silly question, but is sleight of hand bugged or am i just extrem...
just unlucky
high variance spec it happens
ive gone entire dungeons with 1-2 3 rolls and all 2/1 rolls and dungeons where i had 40% uptime on jackpot
arctic merlin
isn't sleight of hand made to mitigate that, i swear when i didn't run it on fb i didn't have that issue
glass mortar
well it improves your odds
thats mitigating it but it doesnt prevent it
loaded dice sounds like more of what you are thinking (a guarenteed bonus match)
marsh raft
Not that anyone here likely cares, but there's about a ~30k dps loss for my Rogue that can do 100k without it using SBA on Outlaw 😄
just FYI lol
glass mortar
you could have a bad luck dungeon where u ended up with rolls that matched worse odds then no sleight with it talented
glass mortar
Not that anyone *here* likely cares, but there's about a ~30k dps loss for my Ro...
yup it is especially punishing to specs designed around speed
its generally a 25%+ loss for us since it was added
arctic merlin
SBA?
marsh raft
that sounds about right. I go from 101k dps ST to 73k with it
glass mortar
single button assist
upper hawk
how does sleight of hand and loaded dice interact. like which is applied first?
marsh raft
aka 'turn off brain, go brrr' wow
glass mortar
they are both applied
your odds are all heightened a stage when u roll with LD and sleight
afaik
so jackpots odds on a LD sleight roll are ~20% i believe?
arctic merlin
wdym both applied? doesn't sleight of hand just reduce one of a kind's chance
glass mortar
no
sleight increases the odds of all your rolls being higher slightly
so the floor of your loaded dice roll is 2
arctic merlin
yes, so if you have 50% to get sleight of hand, now it's 30% and the 20% got redistributed to the other rones
upper hawk
but lets say my natty role is stage 2. loaded dice makes that stage 3... does slight of hand then have 20% chance to make that stage 4... guess it doesn't matter which you apply first
arctic merlin
oh if it counts from the floor i see
glass mortar
sleight is not calculated into your role after you roll
sleight alters the possible results of the roll
changing the chance breakdown
so think of it this way
you have base roll chances
ashen void
like increased magic find in d2
glass mortar
i dont remember them off the top of my head
when you roll with loaded dice, all your rolls move up one
upper hawk
i do, 55% 30% 10% 5%
glass mortar
so you have base 1 buff 2 buff 3 buff 4 buff
and your sleights odds are moved up one as well
so like, you'd have sleights 2 buff roll chance on a naked roll to get 3 buff on a loaded dice roll
same odds
and jackpots would be at 3 buffs chance
upper hawk
well with loaded dice it becomes 0% 55% 30% 15%
for stage 1 2 3 4
but i'm not 100% clear on how sleight afffectst hat
glass mortar
it increases the chance to get 3 buff and 4 buff
upper hawk
obviously
glass mortar
which at the same time of course reduces 2 buff chance
upper hawk
but 20% of what?
gaunt phoenix
@upper hawk see this #1065730004920586350 message
upper hawk
so what i said is still basically true. one in 5 times, your result goes up by one
glass mortar
ok theres what i was looking for i couldnt remember if it was in here or in TC
yea all the info ur asking for is in solos link
upper hawk
oh so what i said is not true... it's just magic
sleight can't boost a 3 roll?
without loaded dice... is outlaw like 100% vibe coded?
glass mortar
im not sure what u mean
upper hawk
read the tc
gaunt phoenix
sleight does not appear to affect the base chance of rolling a jackpot
but it does affect stage 3, which will then get bumped by loaded dice
so sleight+loaded dice is a higher chance at a jackpot
compared to just regular loaded dice
upper hawk
true. but sleight plus natty roll should be a higher chance at jackpot than just a natty roll with no sleight right? that only makes sense..
but your tests don't show that?
dumb
gaunt phoenix
you would think so but yea
ivory hemlock
MH can be axe or sword or mace or fist, OH should be dagger
fist weapon too right?
arctic merlin
who tf is doing the maths on ts, why is it so weird
primal holly
yessir
arctic merlin
buming everything except the jackpot?
upper hawk
it should just be, you roll, get geat 1 2 3 4 at 55, 30, 10, 5 %. i fyou have loaded dice it bumps up one. (stage 4 natty obv doesn't bump) then if you have sleight, it just bumpts it agai 20% of the time....
if you didn't have loaded dice it just bumps it up one 20% of the time from teh first natty roll
anyway
i'll just keep assuming my good rolls streaks are because i'm good and not spaghetti code
glass mortar
it certainly bumped 5 buff last expac
arctic merlin
maybe they reserved the jackpot to feel like an actual win because the chances are low
glass mortar
i mean chances arent even that low tho
20% when u have LD is pretty damn good
idk if our 5 buff was ever that high. maybe the season we had the RtB set bonus
arctic merlin
it's 5% no?
glass mortar
no
er u mean our old 5 buff chance?
i believe it was 5% with sleight and no set bonus if im remembering correctly
upper hawk
it's roughly 5% with no talents active. but loaded dice and sleight of hand both active push it to roughly 20% for jackpot
arctic merlin
i mean [#tc-out](#1065730004920586350 message)
river wing
sleight does not appear to affect the base chance of rolling a jackpot
is that a bug? looks weird ngl
glass mortar
i think this might be a similar chance to 5 buff the season we had the RtB tier set + sleight
honestly dont remember the exact numbers tho
its also laughable that blizzard wont just provide us the clean odds in patch notes or something so solo doesnt need to dig through 3k rolls
🙂
pastel cloud
is outlaw good in dreamrift
hardy thicket
was enjoying it in a pug there at least
mythic pug*
feels kinda nice for Outlaw due to the downphase and intermission
pastel cloud
do you wanna hold ad a bit for adds?
upper hawk
hell yeah, outlaw loves downtime
oh, downphase
that sleight of hand shit is bothering me. assuming 55, 30, 10, 5, it should go to 44, 35, 14, 7 but instead it goes to 44, 35, 16, 5?
that makes me irrationally angry for some reason as a programmer
even though it's only one in 50 rolls are a 3 that should have been a 4
arctic merlin
this class is ragebaiting us with capped aoe and poor math
upper hawk
oh well, could be worse. could be playing sub
long bramble
yo do we have a spreadsheet or smth like that on which spec is better in prog for each boss?
long bramble
bro i wish
junior sierra
all 3 specs are so mid on a lot of fights it feels like it doesnt matter
arctic merlin
give rogue some utility and cc so it can compete bro
mm hunter got bl without a pet, why not us
worthy meteor
if u had a new outlaw rog what would u spend your 4 bonus rolls on
twilit axle
if u had a new outlaw rog what would u spend your 4 bonus rolls on
Pit drops lots of good loot
twilit axle
if u had a new outlaw rog what would u spend your 4 bonus rolls on
Neck, Wrists, Bracers, Offhand
Belt is half decent
river wing
if u had a new outlaw rog what would u spend your 4 bonus rolls on
pit, pit, pit and some more pit
legit has like 5 good pieces and only 1 questionable (and even the quite okay) piece
cinder relic
if u had a new outlaw rog what would u spend your 4 bonus rolls on
Mythic lura, or alleria
Or beloren
And then if not those, go for pit of saron
ancient veldt
So how is RtB used? Can someone link a pin
vapid blaze
do u wanna play xenas ring set
pure folio
do u wanna play xenas ring set
no
buoyant stratus
@keen belfry
nova sinew
this guys toxic
keen belfry
@keen belfry
frail veldt
report him
gray summit
Guys
wintry solar
Seize him...
keen belfry
energy
floral cave
ok maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm trying to learn outlaw and there's a lot going on. Is it generally worth taking a beat to decide your next button press or is apm too important and it's better to hit the next skill even if I overcap or miss the optimal next thing in my rotation?
river wing
and without FS it's even worse
gray summit
i understand, but why Thief Vers simc better ? Raidbots doesnt count our energy pool ?
or its bc the sim is considering full jkacpot
river wing
because the sim is not a feeling human being and doesn't care if something plays worse
glass mortar
ok maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm trying to learn outlaw and there's a l...
its both
if ur failing at either ur dps will suffer bigly
id hedge towards pressing buttons though personally
if ur just making minor mistakes in ur builders as trickster ur builder rules barely matter anyway
keen cedar
They really have to give us some utility, cuz getting into keys is nightmare
river wing
tbh there's only three kinds that matter
- BR
- BL
- damage so fuckhueg you can ignore the former two
everything else is...just a bonus
keen cedar
Or make some dngs around our utility like shroud, I havent used it since Shadowlands xD
arctic merlin
Or make some dngs around our utility like shroud, I havent used it since Shadowl...
no, i think that's toxic in the sense that it's either rogue or not
floral cave
if ur just making minor mistakes in ur builders as trickster ur builder rules ba...
so lean towards pressing buttons fast and keeping your cds off cd, even if you fudge the rotation a bit?
arctic merlin
i'd rather us compete with other specs that h ave util rather than being 1 or 0
long barn
Mythic lura, or alleria
What’s on Lura we need?
keen cedar
no, i think that's toxic in the sense that it's either rogue or not
Toxic is the way xD
kind otter
what spell queue do you guys play on
wintry solar
no, i think that's toxic in the sense that it's either rogue or not
It was fine before
Wouldn't matter anyway, mage has mass invis
strong flume
!log
arctic merlin
you can't use one anymore
keen cedar
what spell queue do you guys play on
I was asking that a lot and mostly people play between 100-150, depends on your latency
midnight granite
you can't use one anymore
yes you can people have them
it's just predictive, not able to pull the actual spell status
glass mortar
dont believe there is anyway to track allied kicks
but there are janky ways that people use that work apparently
whether or not they are supposed to
rustic birch
do we need slight of hand talent?
midnight granite
ye
glass mortar
u can swap it for acro
it may sim as a slight gain
it increases the variance of the profile tho
so sleight is recommended
elfin grotto
miss the old acro 🙁
glass mortar
mmhm
glass mortar
mhhhhhhhhmm
gilded karma
He's common guys lol!
river wing
he's calling you common
it's a nobility slur
native tinsel
fathom bramble
you can definitely do that in instances on the correct ledges
the problem is that a lot of the ledges you would want to do it on in instances are above an endless abyss
and produce a pathing error
outer meteor
no
vivid vessel
i just assumed it wouldnt work
outer meteor
i tried
fathom bramble
no
vivid vessel
ok ubt
outer meteor
multiple times
fathom bramble
but if you go to that exact spot in the overworld skyreach it probably won't work either
glass mortar
theres a death frame like 1 millinch under where it drops isnt there
fathom bramble
theree's more than 1 way to get a pathing error to be fair
but I don't think behavior is any different just because you are in an instance
glass mortar
thats also an old af dungeon
literally pre outlaw
wouldnt surprise me if old zones are just more jank
for pathing stuff
fathom bramble
well these days hook has the same restriction as heroic leap
fickle echo
is there a way to blacklist Lindormi's guidance so it doenst show up in every nameplate while using Plater?
if some tank has it on, can i hide it?
vivid vessel
:D
glass mortar
zac..
im almost 280 ilvl...
kspree doesnt even kill normal questing mobs in the open world in a full channel....
wtf is this spell zac........
dusting spree..
fathom bramble
some instances also just have extra clip brushes all over the place to keep you from getting on roof tops too so it's not all 1:1 with the overworld
even in the dungeons that are copies of outdoor zones
wintry solar
Kissing Spree
glass mortar
literally feels like im doing less damage then just pressing SS > PS on repeat pressing this ability... crazy
sage bronze
They HAVE to fix the visibility with cloud cover, obviously I love the style choice but jesus man
can't even see my own character
might have to put an outline on hahaha
fathom bramble
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actually I have example of where blizzard put a floor of sorts to let leaps do this in a raid encounter
on crown you can hook back up no matter how far you have fallen into the cracks
since the topology of the map is just setup to enable it
vivid vessel
i see
fathom bramble
probably a side effect of trying to make sure players could hook over the cracks themselves
denathrius was like this too, but had a kill box pretty close to the top of the hole so you would die anyway
fathom bramble
yeah
fathom bramble
yeah sylv too
vivid vessel
cause sylv i feel like you shouldnt be able to do that
but you could legit jump off and grapple
with the big grapple
fathom bramble
there was one time I jumped the entire gap before the bridge went up
with goblin jump into grapple
fathom bramble
but it was too sketchy to do it again
fathom bramble
goblin jump - slowfall - hook probably would have made it trivial
but I never tried that
glass mortar
i mean how they make terrain is just not consistent
or they purposefully want these abilities to be less fun
sylvanas platforms r so good
all classes mobility works in every way u could imagine on them
most of the game isnt like that tho
i wish it was
@desert tendon im almost getting beat by healer valeera in delves btw
shes eating her wheaties
auto attack 68k dps
😰
desert tendon
i think u just bad
glass mortar
yeeee
desert tendon
oh that's no doubt
glass mortar
this would be an orange parse on a raid boss...
cedar adder
She does start blasting at high levels
desert tendon
she parsed 100 in all delves
glass mortar
shes a pumper
glass mortar
we were like this once.... they could get us back here....
60% damage auto attacks
imagine how strong we'd be....
next veldt
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wintry solar
we were like this once.... they could get us back here....
Imagine...
We gotta go back in time somehow
The only way forward is backwards
river wing
The only way forward is backwards
broski
that's what Blizz has been doing all this time
they keep trying to go back piecemeal
wintry solar
They're doing it wrong
river wing
well, duh.
river wing
ngl
I'd rather they actually start going forward
because that's what's holding Rogue back IMO
they have no ideas for the future and keep trying to offer old stuff Rogue used to have/do, except it's never the cool stuff because "we removed it for a reason"
wintry solar
Ah dammit
river wing
tf is that
glass mortar
outlaw patch?
river wing
12.1 datamine somehow?
fathom bramble
well outlaw is a cowboy now for some reason
river wing
ngl boots/pants look kinda stupid
fathom bramble
makes sense we get a cowboy set at some point
river wing
but the poncho is alright
fathom bramble
yeah the chaps look is not it
wintry solar
ngl boots/pants look kinda stupid
Boots look like uggs
With the rolly things
What are they called
fathom bramble
belt and hat are probably the best parts of the set
river wing
but also this set is real weird because uhhh
are we going THIS hard in on cowboy theme? outlaw rework???
fathom bramble
love a good 3d belt
vivid vessel
wowhead noob !
river wing
is that legit a 12.1 datamine already?
river wing
Datamining suggests that these armor models will be available in a future Trading Post month, but nothing is directly confirmed at this time. There are five color variations for this armor set.
oh ok
so not actually a class set
fathom bramble
not actually a rogue set probably maybe
wintry solar
Big fan of this
river wing
still
this is like
the very first time they actually acknowledged the cowboy thematics
fathom bramble
I guess that makes a bit more sense when nothing in wow really has a cowboy theme eexcept our random tumbleweed
river wing
I guess that makes a bit more sense when nothing in wow really has a cowboy them...
and it's so fucking weird ngl
it's the most Americana-coded setting back in vanilla
fathom bramble
tumbleweed should be a glyph so I can remove it
river wing
it has everything you'd expect from Wild West EXCEPT for cowboys and sixguns
like it's legit uncanny
fathom bramble
when guns = dwarven engineering I think it makes a lot of sense to not see wildwest american cowboys in the same setting
they have kind of shifted away from that though
but guns were always dwarven stuff I feel
wintry solar
Assault rifles when?
river wing
I mean is it? they had farmers with guns in Westfall all the way back then
river wing
and like
harvest golems too
fathom bramble
but if it's there then yeah not all dwarven I guess
river wing
goblins and gnomes and dwarves all had their brand of engineering (not talking mechanically)
and humans were using guns quite handily
wintry solar
And undead
river wing
yeah, them too
prisma jacinth
Anyone interested in looking into a log and laugh how bad outlaw I am ?
wintry solar
What a weird way to introduce cowboys to wow though
river wing
well, yeah, they missed the mark by a couple decades lmao
fathom bramble
trading post has a lot of weird stuff
river wing
Westfall was one train robbery away from being typical Wild West
wintry solar
Herding kodos
river wing
and half of Kalimdor is just North America yeah
wintry solar
I'm not against it mind you
fathom bramble
WoW is more fun when it has more random themes
even if you don't(I don't) like cowboys
especially if it is just coming in the form of a transmog no one is forced to use
wintry solar
Iike cowboys but I just don't want outlaw being one lol
So if it's a mog anyone can use that's fine
I still have my pirate sets from over the years I use
Kul Tiran leather sets are peak outlaw mogs btw
fathom bramble
true
river wing
tbh I don't see them ever doing actual playable cowboys
I am like
trying to transmog to that sort of thing by making my melee weapons very small fists
indigo token
failed another trial
this time it was entirely justified tho
i thought raid was at 9:30 not 9
river wing
but they'll never do 1h guns at this point, they are fixed in core content tenets IMO
it'd have to be a shakeup not dissimilar to Cata or Legion scale for that to change
vivid vessel
bro what
outlaw get nerfed
but arms get buffed
or idk
maybe its not a nerf
who tf knows
river wing
damn
vivid vessel
!fuu
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indigo token
lmao
fathom bramble
I guess they didn't intend for stacks to stack things lol
indigo token
aint no way
river wing
this looks like we're still Trickster
but it's for so little gain...
well
was nice while it lasted IG
vivid vessel
ye bro outlaw was so op my bad
gray summit
Destroy trikster
eternal hound
GUYS
fathom bramble
this cuts the value of our trickster stuff by more than half
river wing
ye bro outlaw was so op my bad
yeah it was all you Zac
fathom bramble
I doubt you play trickster anymore
junior glacier
rogue can't ever have fun
eternal hound
rogue can't ever have fun
Trickster was fun?
vivid vessel
i would take a 2% nerf if i can play fb
fair topaz
any chance fatebound is competetive?
vivid vessel
imma be honest
wintry copper
I just got my outlaw rogue and devourer dh geared wtf
indigo token
why are they suddenly taking such a surgical knife to outlaw's tuning
junior glacier
yeah better then flipping a coin
wintry copper
indigo token
im so confused
river wing
LMAO ARMS GOT BUFFED
river wing
holy shit I gotta gear arms just for fun at this point
keen belfry
those are pretty minial arms m+ buffs tbf
river wing
and they buffed slayer too
keen belfry
and mostly targetted at ST in raid with slayer
river wing
so maybe it'll be slightly more competitive in M+ against colossus?
vivid vessel
ok how is outlaw getting nerfed tho awang
keen belfry
zac dos this mean we can go back to fatebound?
vivid vessel
zac dos this mean we can go back to fatebound?
idk
give me a min
idk if i can sim it tho will check
keen belfry
this sounds like fatebound = trickster
indigo token
im hoping so
indigo token
though tbh I doubt anyone would choose fartlaw over fatebound
gray summit
Of the nerf
river wing
imagine trickster is still ahead of fatebound, but just shittier
that's what I fear
gray summit
I am so mad
gray summit
Totally mad
reef plinth
You couldn't have expected cloud cover to stay the way it was right? It was broken
gray summit
It’s understable
vivid vessel
its just a bad spec even after 13% buffs hwich is crazy
gray summit
I am’considerating to move sin world
winter steppe
Is the outlaw tuning a buff or nerf?
junior glacier
cloud cover was not broken lol
candid abyss
it was nice while it lasted (kinda)
gray summit
U know u are not strong but undont get evey 2 weeks one patch
gray summit
Is the outlaw tuning a buff or nerf?
Nerf.
river wing
You couldn't have expected cloud cover to stay the way it was right? It was brok...
ehhhhh
it wasn't broken per se
it was too strong for one talent to be
radiant dock
You couldn't have expected cloud cover to stay the way it was right? It was brok...
broken in what sense
hidden sky
back to sin after spending all my rerolls on getting 1h 
junior glacier
made it playable
reef plinth
Outlaw was playable before the talent it will be after.
junior glacier
holy cope
river wing
Is the outlaw tuning a buff or nerf?
we have no idea atm, it's technically a nerf but maybe the 5% aura compensates enough so that we can go back to FB which is smoother overall
fathom bramble
I mean it's still a 5% buff from where we were pre-trickster change
winter steppe
we have no idea atm, it's technically a nerf but maybe the 5% aura compensates e...
Ah ok
vivid vessel
i mean the spec got a 13% buff overnight and it still wasnt a good spec lmao so
fathom bramble
yeah...
quaint wharf
What am i reading
winter steppe
several specs better than law are seeing no nerf too lol
It's because they hate rogues this expac
gray summit
We had a 13% buff
reef plinth
Idk those unholy nerfs are icky
river wing
It's because they hate rogues this expac
this expac?
winter steppe
this expac?
Lol that's true more like just hates us
gray summit
So I think trickster still a head from 1-2%
candid abyss
pain
gray summit
Than fatebound
dense forge
ff?
gray summit
But we got clearly a 5%_6% nerf i think
river wing
But u got 5% overall
it's not as straight-faced as it seems
junior glacier
shut down the server they'll revert the nerf
slim hare
bro i swear they want hate
gray summit
Guys
slim hare
how is it possible to be so incompetent
gray summit
We are 100 guys to p’aying outlaw in mm raid xd
What are you talking about shut down the server
wintry solar
We pay a sub to be nerfed
gray summit
Oh that’s right
wintry solar
What are you talking about shut down the server
Wow discord mains have 1 joke
gray summit
Sub got nerfed
wintry solar
It's chill
gray summit
I lost m’y humour
wintry solar
It happens
near rock
I don't even know if sub rly got nerfed tbh
wintry solar
It's just your passion
vivid vessel
I don't even know if sub rly got nerfed tbh
its 100% a buff
river wing
We pay a sub to be nerfed
bro stop paying subs, start paying assas, we'll get FB buffs then
near rock
soooo
copper radish
when pin
hollow temple
Where’s guy
abstract frost
candid abyss
big
low glade
slim hare
wait zac its a buff
tribal sapphire
finnally outlaw nerfedd
junior glacier
fym finally it's been a week
radiant dock
finally
clear tulip
outlaw nerfed after one patch
week**
slim hare
were gonna have new bug i swear
runic gulch
We can’t have anything
gray summit
Damn
runic gulch
Just saw it, seems like a nerf at first glance?
hollow bloom
"i dont know how to balance this dps class....lets nerf that...and uhhhh 5% damage increase ya thats right"
such a bandaid change
fathom bramble
it is a nerf
gray summit
The duration of 6sec doesnt affext
junior glacier
it's a massive nerf
fathom bramble
the talent that is responsible for giving us 15% just ate like 3 massive nerfs
we probably go back to fatebound
and it works out to being a 5% buff from where we were 2 weeks ago
river wing
buff or nerf?
looks like a nerf overall, dunno by how much
gray summit
Xdddddd
river wing
and it works out to being a 5% buff from where we were 2 weeks ago
stop giving Mafic ideas
gray summit
5% of 12.0
That’s crazy
Its like
The 3rd aura buff
For fatebound
Withount thinking
hollow bloom
our intern got punished in teh back for sure
frank finch
im so glad i stayed sub
river wing
yeah it adds up to 15% cumulatively, doesn't it
junior glacier
not sure the point of nerf, wasn't crazy op
daring yoke
Is fb alot closer to trickster now?
eternal reef
They only remember rogue exists when they want to nerf it Sadge
runic gulch
we *probably* go back to fatebound
For fuck sake, I’ve just finally gotten used to finishing at 6+ again
Although no more ks
river wing
peeps wait for sims
glass mortar
and it works out to being a 5% buff from where we were 2 weeks ago
well wasnt fatebound like 4% buffed from 12.0 to 12.0.5
clear tulip
no more finish at 6-7 rip
haughty wigeon
Holy fuck
slim hare
fatebound got 5 aura buff without bf nerf blizzard are sicl
gray summit
Guys
radiant dock
its never been more over
glass mortar
probably still a net nerf
haughty wigeon
They have no idea what to do with this spec
fossil lintel
fuck yeah back to fatebound
gray summit
Since the start of midnight
glass mortar
maybe fatebound isnt that far behind tho?
vivid vessel
i think ace change was like 2%
tender wedge
Damn crafting that sword feels bad now
runic gulch
But no more perma tricks, fuck. Well that was nice for a week.
gray summit
Without thinking to change the possibility of HO build
candid abyss
much to ponder
fossil lintel
so that's what? 40% lower duration, 1 less stack and no longer increase crit damage
gray summit
It’s insane line they dont considerate us
glass mortar
i will be shocked || if this patch doesnt include bugfixing poopcloud refresh ||
river wing
Without thinking to change the possibility of HO build
this isn't happening until 12.1 at the earliest and I'm sure it won't then
glass mortar
for legal reasons is a joke no dooming
slim hare
i will be shocked || if this patch doesnt include bugfixing poopcloud refresh ||
i will be shocked if it doesnt include new bugs
glass mortar
so that's what? 40% lower duration, 1 less stack and no longer increase crit dam...
no longer increased DR either
so trickster no longer makes u uber tanky
vivid vessel
uber tanky
outlaw went from one of the squishiest spec in the game
to one of the squishiest spec in the game
with the dr thing
long barn
Holy fuck did we get nerfed
gray summit
Yeah buddy
long barn
How the fuck
gray summit
When sub get buff
hollow temple
uber tanky
I tried to tell guy
fair sparrow
ngl guys
gray summit
And sin ? Nothing ahahavab
mighty pivot
rip outlaw 
gray summit
But ????
hollow temple
i knew this would happen to cloud cover
Same
plush grove
i think ace change was like 2%
2% nrtg?
fair sparrow
they 100% did not intend for cloud cover to work the way it did
gray summit
The best of the best
plush grove
nerf?
fair sparrow
with all the stacking shit
gray summit
Buff of war arms
tender wedge
I mean yeah it was stupid op but felt ok since tuning base was so meh
hollow bloom
some dev's feelings got hurt cause some rogue rolled on their loot i swear
long barn
Idiots
buoyant stratus
hmm maybe fatebound angle?
fair sparrow
so ye
gray summit
effectively almost a ~7-8% nerf?
I think more 5-6%
river wing
some dev's feelings got hurt cause some rogue rolled on their loot i swear
you gotta think further than that
some dev was chainganked by rogues back in 2005 when they were 12
vivid vessel
seems like the stack thing is already a 7% nerf, thats excluding the uptime nerf
daring yoke
I called it that we will get nerfed if they start fixing the cloud. Cuz that means they actually have to look at the spec 😭