love the boss
#outlaw
vivid vessel
radiant wyvern
what's the fix for fucking rtb vanishing from the buff tracker man I was getting trolled all night by it
blissful gate
count in your head
random stirrup
idk it sucks too because i was super hyped watching liquid play it
late nacelle
!log
uneven fog
Guides recommend Pistol Shot if at 1-3 cp and three Opportunity stacks. I feel like I read somewhere that if you're at 1 cp, it's better to Sinister Strike first and you can then use Pistol Shot at 6 stacks if you proc so as to not munch stacks. Are there advantages for each approach? Is one universally better? I find it quite hard to track the 1 cp thing and would rather default to Pistol Shot after a finisher.
lime lake
check this thing out
rotund
wide coral
Guides recommend Pistol Shot if at 1-3 cp and three Opportunity stacks. I feel l...
if you use pistol shot at 1 you have to sinister strike anyway because pistol only brings you to 5 Combo points
just default to pistol after finisher
uneven fog
if you use pistol shot at 1 you have to sinister strike anyway because pistol on...
Found it, it was from a shindig video. It was to do with Fatebound. I'm tripping. Thought I was anyway, couldn't for the life of me figure out why it'd be better.
Thanks anyway, bud
vivid vessel
Found it, it was from a shindig video. It was to do with Fatebound. I'm tripping...
when we used fatebound
uneven fog
yeye
vivid vessel
ss proc with fb gives + 1 cp
which actually brings you from 1 cp to 6 and let you finish
wide coral
yea
vivid vessel
and if you didnt proc you would be at 3 cp
and then just pistol shot
and boom you are at 7
was very efficient cp building
very fun
uneven fog
yeah, neat interaction. i get it i get it
wide coral
do you guys save ADR on chimaerus for realm phase?
coming back from first intermission I have prep so I thought maybe it'd be worth it
errant terrace
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fair sparrow
oly fuck man
p1 p2 outlaw literally GAPES on boss dam
on lura
gotta add the E to gap
static geyser
For Crown, are you guys popping combat pots at the start for adds?
ancient cobalt
guys fr is outlaw the goat on lura i just got to it
fair sparrow
guys fr is outlaw the goat on lura i just got to it
boss dam through p1 p2
this p1 p2 throughout the night
i dont know if sub doing that ngl
and both suck ass at adds
ancient cobalt
ok ty
thats what i needed to see baby
my weapon is 276 but next week itll be 289 hehe
midnight granite
is this ethical?
burnt sable
i wish that were me holy moly
vivid vessel
is this ethical?
why not 100% ?
tepid geode
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
vivid vessel
noob ?
burnt sable
LMAO 😭
urban oyster
should i take haste / bronze buff in AA 14 with this stat line up ?
this is with haste flask ^
and oils
i did it feels good man
paper grove
I really wish KS did more
vivid vessel
i just wish it went on my target lmao
i feel like im inting everytime i press the spell on a boss with adds
paper grove
Like it feels like it should be a nuke
but its always like down near my poison damage lol
cinder relic
I'm gonna set it up tmrw
Ready to do some 8 vault action
Nice and ready for reclear
Lura ring guareteed as well
We gonna be up huge
harsh forge
it’s not even that fast now
quaint mauve
i love my interrupt button.
gaunt phoenix
Wtf
fair sparrow
Wtf
this was lura damage that pull on logs
actually just beat the fuck out of the boss
eternal hound
final pagoda
@vivid vessel what do you use for big debuffs? I have been looking for a WA for a week now
tepid geode
do we even use macro?
ancient cobalt
ok otl owns
its so rng its hilarious
some pulls im top others im down
im not pressin every global correctly forsure tho hehe
teal lava
!log
fathom whale
should i take haste / bronze buff in AA 14 with this stat line up ?
My sim tells me to take more crit and I’m sitting at 21% haste. Who knows
true jackal
is outlaw good in raid now ?
craggy barn
yes
fair charm
My sim tells me to take more crit and I’m sitting at 21% haste. Who knows
I’m really liking around 26% haste, which seems high but it just feels right.
fathom whale
Holllyyyyy that’s a lotta speed
hollow bloom
Im peaking at about 32% haste. Feels really good. 
fathom whale
Dooly
red pike
i had 24% and i was upset that its high does it have cap?
frail veldt
My sim tells me to take more crit and I’m sitting at 21% haste. Who knows
That's normal
At about 21 is when haste and crit start competing
Once you gear up more you'll settle closer to 23/24 most likely
frail veldt
i had 24% and i was upset that its high does it have cap?
Past 25 haste starts to lose a lot of value
normal quail
Idk since changes anything under 25 kinda unplayable post like 3 mins
Im sat at 26% haste and its nice
fluid meadow
i play with 24% haste, if u have 26% and u don't feel the gameplay shit when u have this much at stage 1 that's weird and interesting how u not droppin perma low energy
outer meteor
is that a key or a pull
fluid meadow
that's a whole key with his 26% haste so idk, and energy still not below 50 at any points weird
outer meteor
thats really odd
most of my key logs look like this
u either got insanely unlucky
or missplay
novel isle
i play with 24% haste, if u have 26% and u don't feel the gameplay shit when u h...
Need to go faster so you can hit more AR and better rolls
novel isle
sometimes I have a Upgraded roll in stock and I get another AR
fluid meadow
it's steezy log not mine but he said 26% haste is nice but with this infos it's weird
outer meteor
ah ok
keen orbit
What makes fatebound more fun?
unique fulcrum
rotation feels smoother
fathom bramble
no KS, 1 extra combo point on ss double hits
fluid meadow
was ws14, energy is like a heartbeat and still feel that two stage 1 i would just afk that time
hollow bloom
Most factually unoptimal, but i push haste over 25% is pretty good. Clankers be damned. Lol
olive silo
i am new to outlaw, ehm when BtE lights as in it procs off something, do we spend that reguardless of combo points or do you need to build max combo and use it?
dusty blaze
6+
mighty pivot
spend at normal finisher rules. it lights up when it resets its cd
wintry solar
Ninjarobottt
olive silo
Roger thanks for the quick answer!
mighty pivot
Ninjarobottt
||poop=popo||
wintry solar
I got a raise at work
hasty warren
hi pirates
wintry solar
Hellooooo
mighty pivot
florida?
wintry solar
Never again. Missouri, specifically St. Louis, which wasn't what I'd choose but it was a group decision and majority won
9 hours North
Where the Yankees dwell
mighty pivot
group decision? as in by the people who are treating you at the insane asylum?
wild bobcat
is the bte reset sound thing an addon?
wintry solar
No it's default
wintry solar
group decision? as in by the people who are treating you at the insane asylum?
Friends in the asylum actually tyvm
You been playing WoW?
mighty pivot
24/7
wintry solar
Awesome
mighty pivot
are you a decor duelist main now?
wintry solar
I found a private Legion server that actually works so I dropped my other games and only play retail and that
wintry solar
are you a decor duelist main now?
Erm no actually
Outlaw
Thought I'd play DK but I'd be trolling by not playing Outlaw rn
Since I pvp and pve
mighty pivot
yes it's only once every 10 years outlaw isn't trolling. basically halley's comet but for wow
wintry solar
Not that DK is bad in pve ofc but if one spec is good in both and the other is good in one, the choice is obvious.
It's just KS exists and it may be my new uhuh if this keeps going
mighty pivot
you are allowed to play more than one spec. I thought you said you'd main both?
if you cry enough about KS they might remove it too
and then nerf energy more
wintry solar
you are allowed to play more than one spec. I thought you said you'd main both?
I thought I would as well tbh.
Ig I find rogue more fun
I did try to play blood more but everyone wants brm
Didn't think they were that good but I guess I was wrong
mighty pivot
people are metaslaves even for 10s
mighty pivot
lfg is also full of people listing their key at like 250 ilvl and only picking 280s to get carried
I was in this group the leader took 10-15 minutes to accept people
the entire key lasts about that amount of time
wintry solar
I like to not pick people of so high ilvl for that exact reason. Gotta give the little ilvl people a chance.
Frankly I don't have all day
mighty pivot
you are a man of the people popo
mighty pivot
mages aren't people
wintry solar
Merely bots placed in the game by blizzard to ruin ruin keys
mighty pivot
wintry solar
That's awesome lol
silver venture
can we do a invis skip on magister terrace for last 2 mobs or do they have stealth detection
mighty pivot
they do have detection, but there are some skips you can do in other ways
wintry solar
If you have to ask in 2026 they probably do
mighty pivot
I am surprised the last two guys in academy don't have detection tbh
silver venture
oh i love academy skip
wintry solar
Oversight I'm sure
silver venture
they do have detection, but there are some skips you can do in other ways
is there any video or a guide for this
mighty pivot
no idea. I know one of the ways is via lock gate
but I think there are more ways
even if you can grapple there, the rest of the group needs to follow somehow
unkempt dew
I have no idea what dungeon i should farm or use my bonus rolls for https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jFYUBtEvaQM2kWWifgu2jF
wintry solar
Five outlaws
mighty pivot
3 outlaw, 1 vdh, 1 pres
mighty pivot
I have no idea what dungeon i should farm or use my bonus rolls for https://www....
not seat at least
unkempt dew
Well i could because it drops legs chest etc at mythic level. Mine are hero track atm
mighty pivot
have you seen how many items are on bonus roll in there?
although I guess about half of them could be upgrades in your case
since the dungeon drops every single tier slot
unkempt dew
Yeah its a lot haha
I think that i will go for pit
Everything is sort of a upgrade
mighty pivot
this doesn't look comfy at all
formal knot
not seat at least
meanwhile i've sent all of my bonus rolls in seat
mighty pivot
how did that go for you
mighty pivot
how many items do you need from there?
formal knot
i just need to upgrade tier items from hero to myth basically and seat has the highest chance for dropping them 
worldly shale
whats up with this ugly ass trading post
formal knot
mighty pivot
this month's post was better than last month's
glass shard
trading post has fallen off hard tbh
formal knot
ill at least buy the katana stuff now that all specs can mog them
mighty pivot
the sets have some nice coats
glass shard
wintry solar
this month's post was better than last month's
I didn't even finish last months
mighty pivot
the ninja turtle weapons are only returning, I had them already so I just bought the set and some hates and the horses. Not like there is much point saving more coins
mighty pivot
I didn't even finish last months
i thought you said you were playing the game?
mighty pivot
it was garbo yes
unkempt dew
For M+ we use dungeon slice right?
trim harbor
For M+ we use dungeon slice right?
ye
gaunt phoenix
why does 5target 5 min sims take 10 working days to finish?
Cuz outlaw can do 140k or 340k dps there
The rng curve is huge
It prob has to run like 120,000 pulls
hasty warren
what is the variance there ?
unkempt dew
Pff i really want that skyreach trinket
fathom whale
Pff i really want that skyreach trinket
I blasted all 3 bonus rolls I had for it and didn’t get it. Next week tho 🤪
unkempt dew
Ill go for here gaze after that
glass shard
depleted 17 cavern by 3 sec cuz m yspriest died 3 times on last boss
login
worst part isnt even depleting
its having to redo the dungeon
unkempt dew
Aaah so you had a lot of fun right?
glass shard
i knew it was doomed when i was doing double my shadow priests damage on 1st boss
snow vessel
its having to redo the dungeon
Still only done that dungeon 4 times
gusty topaz
Anyone else refer to Caverns as the Bayou?
snow vessel
I was dragged unwillingly into it twice
gusty topaz
Def bayou vibes
ebon nimbus
does it actually make a difference, if i rtb when the buff has 1sec left (so is active), vs when it has fallen off, so its inactive?
snow vessel
Not really
marsh raft
No one else can see our cloud, right? I've been busy mentally cursing at tanks in keys for moving mobs JUST out of it, and at this point I have to assume they just flat out can't see it
gusty topaz
So for clarification during prekey.. when should I slice just before the smoke wall fades? Like 1s or 2s before?
serene cosmos
So for clarification during prekey.. when should I slice just before the smoke w...
2 sec, before you cp goes back to 2
gusty topaz
I have the rush spree prep rush down then it’s slice and flurry?
gusty topaz
Kk I watched the recent video the rogue on Squishes team made and I’m pretty sure that was a condition
marsh raft
^^ makes my brain melt
gusty topaz
I’ve done both and I don’t understand the difference lol tbh doesn’t matter to me either way. Just unsure if it’s a marginal gain or same
serene cosmos
I don't get why the BF here
gusty topaz
Lowkey kinda fun lol reminds me of the Venthyr boomkin shenanigans prekey doing the box trinket gearswap innervate tech to prestack the ability and then extend it during the countdown timer
shadow zealot
does anyone know the %dps difference between dispatching on 6 or above all the time and using it on 5 occasionally?
serene cosmos
But yes, you can BF before going into first pack, hten just AR > BR > BTE
gusty topaz
I don't get why the BF here
Maybe for like skyreach to have it up immediately idk just my first thought
Like pack right there type shit
serene cosmos
YEs, you can also do after bubbles fade
gaunt phoenix
does anyone know the %dps difference between dispatching on 6 or above all the t...
like 0.5%
gusty topaz
Right it’s no difference that’s what I was wondering thank you
serene cosmos
Right it’s no difference that’s what I was wondering thank you
Just be sure you have it before stat hitting, or hit with it first
serene cosmos
No one else can see our cloud, right? I've been busy mentally cursing at tanks i...
Yep, nobody else. But it shouldn't matter cuz buff refresh itslef when smoke fades
gusty topaz
For sure I’ve made the mistake early on of not having it up on an extended jackpot with supercharged btes into six times reset. Realizing flurry isn’t on it’s a reset key angle shit feels so bad
Like right on opener
serene cosmos
Indeed, it's not nice ahaha
gusty topaz
Yuuup and of course right after that it’s back to back Uno rolls
But the spec is so damn involved and aggressive it feels great
Thinking man’s spec mixed with quick response actions
Melee Ele shaman
glass shard
Since, it's not how it works?
its not?
serene cosmos
Yep, nobody else. But it shouldn't matter cuz buff refresh itslef when smoke fad...
^
gaunt phoenix
It's bugged
Do we announce it to the world so they silently fix it
Or leave it alone
sour fossil
Sorry if this has been asked - but is there like any way at all to remove the cloud cover at all, any fancy command in game or something, this is nuts
tawny epoch
Crafting helm decent if im gonna get myth cloak from bonus rolls at some point?
sour fossil
particle density pretty important for some boss mechancis though right?
gaunt phoenix
Idk
quiet root
Or leave it alone
i'm not an ethical gamer so i vote to keep it under wraps 🙂
true rampart
This has been asked a bunch probably but is there a best way of regearing for outlay if I’ve been sub
Or just recrafts and run dungeons for swords
true rampart
Alrighty ty, now I need to figure out weapons lol
serene cosmos
Or leave it alone
u right
normal quail
this RTB bug where the buff leaves the CDM now happens more or less every pull 
worldly compass
given that they deleted the rune for mages and DnD for DKs, if they do fix the cloud and force us to stay in it would make no sense at all
so they probably will
wintry solar
given that they deleted the rune for mages and DnD for DKs, if they do fix the c...
Blood and Unholy still use DnD
They walked back with unholy for some reason, I guess because DnD is a legacy ability
silver venture
Dnd is the shittest ability in this game i dont know a single dk who likes it
wintry solar
At least it interacts with unholy now
hardy wigeon
this shit is literally cursed LOL
Fr literally ate every swirly in maisara today cause I can’t see shit
worldly compass
man I didn't even realise they walked it back for unholy, garbage gameplay nobody wants
fathom whale
God it feels good when BtE doesn’t reset
gaunt phoenix
haste enchant?
unique fulcrum
anyone got a good Exboss profile
hardy wigeon
haste enchant simmed highest for me
I swear it’s not possible unless you’re below 20% haste somehow
upper hawk
i just work here
i don't argue with the bot
pure single target. it was for laura
tried it again it still tells me to. if ever get a 2nd ring with haste on it it might change.
magic shuttle
no
worldly shale
no
weary goblet
haste enchant?
thats what Mr. Sim told me :3
gaunt phoenix
must be low on passive haste
dim parrot
I did 170k in 19 pit last night felt like piss
What are the odds I’m missing globals or standing in bad spot for bf cleave
viscid scaffold
quick question regarding AR and cps - sometimes or id say pretty often AR would come up but i still have cps left - do i just AR regardless for uptime and the dmg buff? surely right?
glass mortar
AR at under 3 CP
so no, if you are near a finisher or at it you would build then finish then AR
viscid scaffold
damn it does take a bit long sometimes, atleast it feels like
couple of resetts mybe some 4-5 cp shenanigans
glass mortar
well if you are at 3 CP it should be at most 3 builders assuming u get the worst possible rng
but usually its just 1
what do you mean resets
you would not be casting BtE because you have AR ready
buoyant stratus
Anyone a fan of during long gathers to just bf dispatch build ks get 5 stacks of nimble and then finally open once pack is established?
glass mortar
you are holding it for AR
viscid scaffold
bte resets or rather landing on 5 cp again
buoyant stratus
Been kindof good for me
glass mortar
you would build then dispatch then AR then bte
viscid scaffold
ohh i see
red pike
is it possible that i get no Jack pot in a whole dungeon run or i m doing smt wrong
glass mortar
yes of course its possible
the odds of getting a jackpot are higher then previous expacs but still relatively low
red pike
i got stage 1 and 2 whole time
red pike
just 2 triple
dim parrot
Weran do u know how to see logs
viscid scaffold
you would build then dispatch then AR then bte
is there more like this? ill reread guide but i cant remember reading anything like this
dim parrot
Or m+ logs are hard to read
glass mortar
Well
its kinda implied because the rule to cast AR is being at 1/2 CP
but yea its not directly spelled out
you have cast AR on cd at 1/2 CP, and hold BtE for AR as baseline rules
red pike
and when i sim my charecter and see the uptime i see it has lots of jackpots
viscid scaffold
ofc now that u say it it makes sense to make the one strong finisher stronger
viscid scaffold
the holding bte is in advanced section btw thats mb
faq? or am i just blind on wowhead
gaunt phoenix
the only thing that manipulates your rolls is Loaded Dice
about 20% of your loaded dice rolls will be jackpot.
viscid scaffold
yeah i checked wowhead completly forgott about faq
gaunt phoenix
your loaded dice uptime is influeced by how well you are playing
buoyant stratus
I still dont get the math here, is it implying its ideal to bte at 30 sec, have ar come up with bte on cd still, ar supercharge dispatch -> bte or just build till bte off cd. Ive just been pressing bte at 45 sec AR left and holding otherwise. Wonder what the loss is there
glass mortar
if u press it at exactly like 31s on AR cd my experience is BtE will be off cd for ur second supercharged CP anyway usually
dim parrot
Pweez can someone check me log
glass mortar
so thats probably why sims fall around that range
it is a range, some people do 35s, some do 40
i havent had any issues with 30 personally
dim parrot
Idk if I play worse in first 19 trying to stay alive so hard
buoyant stratus
Just feels like u lose out on potential aces by not charging both btes
glass mortar
yes
and by delaying btes any amount you miss out on potential BtE casts as well
its just chance vs chance
which is why we let the calculator decide
buoyant stratus
Tru that
glass mortar
where it averages out to the best
gaunt phoenix
30s is not exact, but 45s starts to be a loss
glass mortar
i dont know that theres any difference beyond margin of error for holding 35s-40s
yea what solo said
i remember u guys simming that awhile back
i just hate holding stuff on outlaw in general
so i will hold my BtE the minimum amount of time
buoyant stratus
And u still just AR -> dispatch then
glass mortar
absolutely i aint ever holding that for bte
glass mortar
its ok trickster outlaw is all about embracing the awkwardness 🥰
rancid bone
!mdt
buoyant stratus
Ive been prepping sometimes at 1:30 AR just lines up that way, good? Or should it be held in that manner
Assume patchwerk since obviously pack size amps etc influence such a choice
gaunt phoenix
On patchwerk if AR cooldown is like 30s i don't think you should prep
glass mortar
If you know you won't lose additional uses of prep like in a raid fight id almost never use prep unless I just ar tbh
But it doesn't always work out like that
And in dungeons it's less flexible
uncut crown
Yk I’ve played sub and sin for a while now, and I haven’t touched outlaw since like dragonflight when they were pumping and it was fun af.
I decided to try it again this week. And Jesus my muscle memory isn’t there anymore. Trickster feels awkward af with outlaw 😂
glass mortar
I've been 1m as my cutoff but 30s is good to know
rancid bone
!simguide
ornate heathBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
gaunt phoenix
it's awkward to sim cause of fight timer
If you push it to 60s then some iterations are losing a cast of prep
buoyant stratus
Yeah makes sense, more of a vibe button
uncut crown
So for Killing spree is this something that’s worth channeling till the end? Or is it like get to full cp and energy then just keep the rotation going
I think that’s one of the things hooking me with the flow of it
gaunt phoenix
you cancel if you're about to cap energy during the cast
uncut crown
Okay, I just didn’t really know how much weight killing spree actually had for our damage
gaunt phoenix
though on beloren i will cancel it anyway
buoyant stratus
Kekw
gaunt phoenix
in like 30s burst i suspect getting more builders/pistol shots are better
buoyant stratus
Okay, I just didn’t really know how much weight killing spree actually had for o...
Its a very low damage button
uncut crown
Its a very low damage button
So is it solely for the trickster buffs?
buoyant stratus
Kindof, helps energy since trickster is way more costly
gaunt phoenix
not solely otherwise you would cancel it every time no matter what
damage is not impressive but you do let it channel most of the time
buoyant stratus
Someone was telling me no ks trickster is like 3% behind so its still worth
rancid bone
it's awkward to sim cause of fight timer
i mainly do M+ on my rogue so I was trying to sim droptimizer for bonus rolls. I did a dungeon slice and patchwerk 5 targets and the results are very different not sure what do.
gaunt phoenix
just link your results
i dont think our dslice vs aoe gear would be all that different
we need like 23% passive haste and then go crit
uncut crown
Over the week I’ve tried fb and trickster since I’m getting back into the feel of law, and I feel like fb just plays smoother. But I know trickster is just preforming way better.
I’ve been in that oonga booga sub brain this season. Got to 3k on sub and I’m playing with outlaw some now. But damn I’m ass 😂
gaunt phoenix
your results are basically the same just puzzle box is inflated in patchwerk aoe
you dont want puzzle box
buoyant stratus
we need like 23% passive haste and then go crit
Bingus was saying earlier someone simmed 28% haste for dslice to sustain energy whats the deal with that
rancid bone
so do I try to get prism or heart?
buoyant stratus
Or maybe it wasnt dslice but dungeon route or something
gaunt phoenix
probably not dslice, but droute
buoyant stratus
Ah i c i c
gaunt phoenix
where you can do like a 35 minute dungeon sim
buoyant stratus
Yeah and 28% seems good since tea just goes byebye
rancid bone
on patchwerk heart is ahead
buoyant stratus
Munching ts
rancid bone
on dslice it's solarflare prism
gaunt phoenix
it is not incorrect, it better evaluates losing tea
u dont want heart of wind either
We want passive haste, not a haste bonus
heart of wind being ahead just means your haste is low
rancid bone
so prism is my best roll then
gaunt phoenix
it is right now
but you can farm a heroic version
i would not send a bonus roll in skyreach for a 1/11 chance of getting it
you feel me
buoyant stratus
If youre rolling dungeons probably should roll for pit ring/neck/bracer
rancid bone
yea i agree
rancid bone
If youre rolling dungeons probably should roll for pit ring/neck/bracer
i can just catalyze the bracer I have
gaunt phoenix
i would send pit of saron
rancid bone
thx for the help
buoyant stratus
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gaunt phoenix
Maybe make it patchwerk 6 min?
it seems at 6 minutes you could hold even at 80 seconds
if you wont lose a cast of prep
buoyant stratus
it seems at 6 minutes you could hold even at 80 seconds
I see so 1:30ish was the sweet spot then
Interesting
rancid bone
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
dim parrot
I had a weak moment of gamba and sent one roll on nexus
I burnt 3 on nexus last week then got the dreadflail in my vault this week lolz
marsh raft
oh hey maintenance is over already
dim parrot
The one ring from there is good at least
bright cedar
is it worth using bonus roll on plume if I already have basically everything else?
i got myth gaze, guidon, puzzlebox
myth weapons for both sub and outlaw
got this too for outlaw
only missing piece is the plume
dim parrot
Why mastery on mainhand
formal thunder
I can no longer blame my gear for my shit damage 
bright cedar
but yeah, basically all my 276 items are mythic as well, just don't have crests for upgrade 
so i am tempted to bonus roll for plume
cause there is no way our guild is ever killing that bird on mythic
my other option is to bonus roll for mythic prism
but MY GOD skyreach has like 19 items
and all of them are bad
bright cedar
feels so bad to actually roll for a hc item
gusty topaz
My guild has been killing Chim on both difficulties basically since week 2 and we have seen a total of one gaze. Killed it Tuesday rolled like five. Well the guildies got lucky lol I’ve gotten a belt and a chest.
gusty topaz
I’ve coined the pit neck and the nexus ring at least so there’s that. Not a total blunder. The trinket will come.
gusty topaz
And the crit haste belt. Probably craft a cape idk
I can have all the ideal gear in the world and still end up pressing BTE before AR on accident so we’ve got other concerns lmao
jolly geyser
I got myth legs for my myth tier legs in pit yday
cant complain, got ring on 1 roll
and I have the dagger from vault,quite gamba for neck now, or belt
tight kernel
oh cant say r word my bad
we only ps with opp at 1-3 cps right
if im at 5cps i just ss
gaunt phoenix
we only ps with opp at 1-3 cps right
That's only with 3 opp
lavish lark
Unless you got 6 opp
gaunt phoenix
if you have 6 opp then you ps at 5
molten pond
When we have BtE proc back to back, giving us 5cp and a reset BtE cd. Do we SS to get above 5 cp after every proc, or we spam BtE until he stop proccing ?
lean tartan
Anyone know how I can make bladefury duration into an aura that's tracked by a depleting bar in Ayjie CDM?
lean tartan
When we have BtE proc back to back, giving us 5cp and a reset BtE cd. Do we SS t...
SS to get back to 6-7 cp
molten pond
SS to get back to 6-7 cp
What talent makes using BtE with 6 - 7 way better than with 5 ?
deeper startagem ?
lean tartan
devious ye and i thought indirectly things like ace up your sleeve which generally reward more cps
cinder moth
deeper startagem ?
You want to consume zero in with a strong BtE to maximize that damage too.
gaunt phoenix
bte also gives a dmg buff that lasts longer per cps
bronze badge
I can no longer blame my gear for my shit damage <:KEKW:796654619102281728>
Unbuff 43% crit ?
formal thunder
no, think flask was still running
bronze badge
no, think flask was still running
Okay , i try with similary crit but i pref finnaly 27 % hast and 37 crit
rustic birch
if you have 6 opp then you ps at 5
Why ps at 5cp if you have 6 opp?
inner yacht
if you ss and opportunity procs you overcap bcs 6 is max
tight kernel
cause youre going to overcap on opp stacks
fair charm
What talent makes using BtE with 6 - 7 way better than with 5 ?
Ace and zero in both really like 7 combo points. Not to mention max supercharger damage.
vivid vessel
i mean its also just outlaw in general
that likes to uses all the cps available
its fairly usual that we use our finishers on max cp - 1
fatebound only differs cause coins procs at 5cps already so it happens to tip the balance
that + scoundrel also proccing at 5
unkempt dew
What enchantments do you guys run on your weapons?
vivid vessel
acuity
pure folio
pure folio
yea ik but do yall actually go off details dps?
vivid vessel
pure folio
its inaccurate, no?
vivid vessel
if you look at active damage
vivid vessel
its inaccurate, no?
i mean log damage is litteraly irrelevant
pure folio
ah i see
vivid vessel
cause its raw overall damage / timer of the key
so like
if you are doing 300k dps every pack but then afk for 10 min
your overall dps will be super low
in wcl
plush hornet
can you look at my logs and tell me what i was doing wrong?
i dont play with preparation
pure folio
i suppose so but that doesnt really happen, at most u have like 3-4 minutes out of combat do you not
vivid vessel
can you look at my logs and tell me what i was doing wrong?
unbind ambush at least
glacial sluice
outlaw never ambush?
pure folio
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RbFyzYCmTL4vjtq7?fight=last&type=damage-don...
do !log bud
only in ho
but we dont play it
so yea, outlaw never ambush
plush hornet
oh okay
vivid vessel
i suppose so but that doesnt really happen, at most u have like 3-4 minutes out ...
no but wcl dps will be hugely biased by your teamates since its based on overall timer + death then count
plush hornet
so i dont go to stealth yes?
vivid vessel
if you have a bunch of deaths in your key
vivid vessel
just because never stealth or SS better from stealth for outlaw?
because ambush does nothing
pure folio
true but i feel like details is always super inaccurate between people
vivid vessel
!ambushkir
ornate heathBOT
Builds without HO do not press 
Ambush because it does not proc 
Fan the Hammer. 
Sinister Strike was also changed to proc 
Count the Odds so SS is always a better global.
pure folio
like everyone in my group usually has different meters
vivid vessel
true but i feel like details is always super inaccurate between people
i mena i guess but
wcl dungeon dps
is useless
doesnt mean anything
vivid vessel
its way worse
pure folio
those numbers look super low
vivid vessel
they should have it only take combat time but idk
glacial sluice
so you want that rng of the 30% benefits from SS over the 10k of ambush yea?
vivid vessel
they dont want to so
pure folio
is there a way to filter it for that
plush hornet
so when im doing opener i go blade rush to blade flurry to between the eyes and next adrenaline rush?
vivid vessel
is there a way to filter it for that
no but thats what active time is
basically details dps
pure folio
honestly didnt know about the active time thing thats neat
glacial sluice
did 138 mil overall in a 11 pit lul
plush hornet
do !log bud
wdym?
vivid vessel
so when im doing opener i go blade rush to blade flurry to between the eyes an...
you sxhould adr before pressing bte, similarly you should br after adr
pure folio
that command opens up a thread so u dont flood chat and people can actualyl dissect it if they want to
plush hornet
you sxhould adr before pressing bte, similarly you should br after adr
but what if i have all cp? anyway im casting ar?
pure folio
so when im doing opener i go blade rush to blade flurry to between the eyes an...
that depends if u have blade flurry already active or not
plush hornet
that command opens up a thread so u dont flood chat and people can actualyl diss...
oh ok sry
pure folio
u dont want to blade rush without the buff of bf
vivid vessel
but what if i have all cp? anyway im casting ar?
cast a dispatch before then
but dont cast bte
if adr is ready
plush hornet
okay
vivid vessel
before pressing adr
fluid meadow
bro extended the nothingbuff?
vivid vessel
nah he rolled earlier
not sure why tho
roll just as you enter pack
not 20s before
quaint wharf
bro paladins is not a chill melee fight wtf
fluid meadow
yeah but what happened in that 20 sec
til he kir
and not attacking anything
or doing anything
pure folio
u also ambushed before even pressing bf
mild wagon
what if i use br right before adr +bte(with bf active) is it still ok?
pure folio
yes
plush hornet
also dont kir a 2 buff
i see on internet that i need to kir at 2
pure folio
You kir at 2 if you do not have a loaded dice, or will not get one soon
In your opener, you start with a loaded dice, and then you adr which gives u another loaded dice
so you should wait until you spend the second loaded dice, unless ur first roll was 3+
pure folio
6
fluid meadow
and i think check your talents
plush hornet
wow
twilit axle
In keys is it terrible to kir the two of a kind when you have ~60s+ on Adr and you do not have loaded dice?
There is some real bad spells in keys where I feel like there is enough downtime between packs, or a misplay that leads to just being out of energy.
pure folio
no that is what ur supposed to do
plush hornet
oh yea ur build is cooked
is it that bad?
jolly geyser
we got #outlaw-faq
pure folio
yes
gaunt phoenix
In keys is it terrible to kir the two of a kind when you have ~60s+ on Adr and y...
no, that's mentioned in the faq
twilit axle
we got <#856897810536071208>
I have read this I promise. I just cant read
gaunt phoenix
You can kir at 2 if you expect a roll without loaded dice
fluid meadow
those are the chatbots
vivid vessel
frfr
red zinc
mdi dead too with these new rules
vivid vessel
snapping rules?
ye
everytime there was something cool in mdi
it was a snap
kekw
blizzard really dont get what makes their game fun
like do people remember mdis when players just hold w and do normal routes lol ?
bet everyone remember when they did the snap tech in dawn in df tho
red zinc
only snap i remember vividly was the illegal one from plaguefall with hunter
buoyant stratus
Halls of valor snap
hardy thicket
ok
desert tendon
big costream zac
buoyant stratus
Was crazystyle
hardy thicket
I started gearing rogue on tuesday and now im out of upgrades
decent or?
or well my ring sucks but im out of ilvl upgrades til reset
buoyant stratus
Needs at least 28% avoidance
desert tendon
Skill issue
hardy thicket
buoyant stratus
Yeah actually youre probably missing at least 31% avoidance
U should work on that 37% avoidance
Grind those keys, or youll never get to 42% avoidance
hardy thicket
screw u guiz i think 279 is decent in one reset
buoyant stratus
Screw u for having 4 avoidance pieces in 4 days
desert tendon
idk why they dont just ban toys in m+
buoyant stratus
Kekw
desert tendon
Everytime it brought them issues
or just allow it all
but it's one or another, not stupid case by case ruling
buoyant stratus
Toys disables in instance should be a given if they dont like it
Idgi
Rookery parasol was fine
But ele parasol snap is bad
Halls of valor fine
Atal snap bad
Be consistent reee
vivid vessel
But ele parasol snap is bad
is it
jolly geyser
screw u guiz i think 279 is decent in one reset
it is, im 282 and I havent killed mystic mythic boss
buoyant stratus
Wish theyd just give up and just put the elemental on the platform
Blizz just snap it for us smh
vivid vessel
i love snapping
especially cause its like
one of the only rogue utility in keys
we still have
so
deleting snapping is a bit cringe if they actually do
proven ocean
oink
jolly geyser
buy me a 5070 ross rich boy
vivid vessel
he is
jolly geyser
sure
vivid vessel
he is lying ramlu
he sent me pictures of his garage
he has 10 sport cars
inside
kid you not
jolly geyser
100 cars in the other
vivid vessel
its like elon musk garage bro
proven ocean
Oh 5070 is actually cheap wtf
vivid vessel
yeye you can buy them in bulk
jolly geyser
whats cheap in your eyes?
vivid vessel
10 of them for your fridge pc
trail sparrow
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of 
Zero In, and also slightly more 
Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.
It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use 
Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.
proven ocean
Daily cars
dim parrot
Anyone see why my dam bad in this pit
proven ocean
dim parrot
I think I lose globals not staying with tank lots
hardy thicket
got gapped by a 284 surv
do i quit outlaw or
they are basically the outlaw of hunters so im ok i think
hardy thicket
tru but in my experience im kinda shit
gaunt phoenix
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1499774122832429196
your dmg breakdown looks exactly how it should be so i dont think there is an obvious rotation error that can be spotted from logs
dim parrot
Thanks for looking solo appreciate u
I also single rolled on ick like 3 times felt so bad
real flicker
strange hill
whoever decided "hey lets make you press SnD in your opener"
lol same
dense coral
Ive seen some top m+ streamers have an addon that plays an audio sound “kick” when something needs to be kicked. Anyone know what addon that is?
indigo token
its actually not an addon
dim parrot
I’d just focus target when starting a pack and kick on CD in pugs
indigo token
they hire a little gnome to tell them
vivid vessel
no i have a 5080]
proven ocean
5080]???
vivid vessel
np
jolly geyser
me
vivid vessel
nice dog pfp ramlu
proven ocean
What about me
vivid vessel
im glad you brought it back
proven ocean
What about you*
gilded karma
jolly geyser
im glad you brought it back
proven ocean
U wanted a rtx 5070 ye?
jolly geyser
5070ti
proven ocean
Idk
indigo token
this stinks
gilded karma
just sinister strike
jolly geyser
blame zeross
gilded karma
gilded karma
indigo token
i dont like that
like the m+ build im using also has prep
its too much
this sucks
indigo token
yes its not fun
gilded karma
prep is like a 10hr cd
indigo token
i fucking hate prep
jolly geyser
and on gcd
indigo token
theres so much about this hero talent that sucks ass
gilded karma
yeah such as ignoring it entirely except for when you pressed AR
then you gotta stand in the bong cloud
indigo token
Dude
earnest sphinx
Bong cloud is peak
jolly geyser
prep should be on restless
indigo token
you have to press SnD in the opener and you finish at 6 now
that alone, makes it worse
gilded karma
it's really hard yeah
indigo token
it being harder or easier isnt the main problem
its that it feels worse than fatebound
indigo token
bro why are you so adamant about defending this
rocky gulch
What is the main reason we use SnD as a button, instead of letting it auto apply with Dispatch or something?
gilded karma
I'm not defending it at al
I literally do not care about this spec
the fact you baited is incredible
loud moat
Trickster as a hero tree right now is just slow paced and clunky, with 0 flow. The stationary fart cloud and being forced to play shit-on-the-floor mechanics around it excarbates the problem.
In raids you can atleast somewhat know how your tanks handle shit so positioning is easier.
M+ with pug groups... A bloody nightmare every time.
hardy thicket
M+ with pug groups... A bloody nightmare every time.
I've got a secret for you that I learned yesterday
you dont actually have to stand in the cloud at all 
loud moat
No, but you do want to refresh it.
hardy thicket
it refreshes anyways
literally just a cosmetic rn
go ahead try it, just pop ADR rn on ur rogue and run out of it and stand still
loud moat
And when your tank does a random yeet from <insert country of origin> to Afghanistan, it feels "so nice".
hardy thicket
But ye ur flame is valid if you actually had to stand in the cloud and refresh it
loud moat
But if it auto-refreshes on expiration, that's actually the first good thing about it.
hardy thicket
right now you dont
remote vale
hardy thicket
that tooltip says fuck all about what im saying
you can leave the cloud, have 10s expire, then it refreshes again
loud moat
Understood that and if it does work like that, that's actually a godsend.
Been just cursing the bloody thing so far and been leaping back wasting uptime.
hardy thicket
I mean I agree with you 100% I was yapping and whining about teh same thing yesterday in here
then solo was like spoiler alert you dont have to stand in the cloud
gg me
elfin grotto
Guys is it worth crafting 3rd item w/o embelish over ugprading my myth items.
would sub hero item with perfect stats
loud moat
So basically it means you can drop the cloud in the ass-end-of-nowhere, not be forced to deal with it covering your own visibility and during your normal on-pull shenanigans, just get into position.
And midfight do the same, to avoid covering shit you need to see yourself.
outer meteor
then solo was like spoiler alert you dont have to stand in the cloud
oh shit
i was grapple hooking to it and shit
with 2 sec left
remote vale
Guys is it worth crafting 3rd item w/o embelish over ugprading my myth items.
That depends if you have gear that you have been wanting to replace with myth. if so then yes
outer meteor
am i braindead?
loud moat
We all are. Why else would we still be playing Outlaw?
hardy thicket
So basically it means you can drop the cloud in the ass-end-of-nowhere, not be f...
yep
elfin grotto
That depends if you have gear that you have been wanting to replace with myth. i...
well yeah I have 6 myth so rest is hero version of bis items
remote vale
well yeah I have 6 myth so rest is hero version of bis items
then replace those items. just dont give up BiS trinkets or tier set.
loud moat
I mean, still clunky, slow, 0 flow and energy issues.
But atleast no need to bounce around like an idiot.
hardy thicket
Going to be hell when blizzard bugfixes this tho
vivid vessel
ye
vivid vessel
its so so much more enjoyable
without having to think about that cringe ass aoe
idk
fading igloo
Wait since when’s this a thing
vivid vessel
i dont really believe these devs test their stuffs imma be honest
outlaw wouldnt be like that if they actually played the spec in keys
i can garantee that
hardy thicket
funny how
loud moat
You mean if they played the spec anywhere?
loud moat
The entire cloud cover thing feels like they asked their mage dev team for outdated and non-functional ideas to throw at the Outlaw playerbase.
main gate
what website shows the variance in dps for certain classes? I assume outlaw is towards the top, if not, the top along with stormbringer shaman.
slim hare
i dont really believe these devs test their stuffs imma be honest
i would be shocked if they could actually prove they did test anything; only thing i believe they test is stability game is not crashing enough compare to how many bugs they manage to put inside the game
main gate
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/
I meant more like, how rng plays into certain classes. I remember seeing graphs for this type of information back in TWW Liberation of Undermine.
But I cant find anything relating to that anymore
vivid vessel
I meant more like, how rng plays into certain classes. I remember seeing graphs ...
this is what you are thinking about
but its not up to date
gaunt phoenix
outlaw should win now
main gate
this is what you are thinking about
Yes, this is definitely what I was thinking of. Thank you!
gaunt phoenix
that image is from before 12.0.5 so its not correct
vivid vessel
also outlaw variance goes up in aoe + with m+ builds
but it also went up with trickster
main gate
outlaw should win now
That was my thoughts too. Since sometimes you're high rolling and string 8 btes back to back then other times you get jack squat.
vivid vessel
outlaw should win now
do tou know what this number represent btw
or how its calculated
at least'
gaunt phoenix
means outlaw's standard deviation was 5% of the average dps
river wing
so it would be 95-105 of average?..
gaunt phoenix
1 standard deviation yes
river wing
oh
and how many can you get?
river wing
yeah I know the basics
so each line is a single deviation?
vivid vessel
i see so i take the mean and then the standard deviation dps numbers
summer nimbus
Yea altho 1 sd is basically -1 to 1
vivid vessel
and the diff between that is a % that correspond to that number
what about this tho then
this takes the min anx max i guess
summer nimbus
1 sd means 68% of the time the dmg will fall between those numbers
gaunt phoenix
it's basically saying that most pulls are within +/- 5% and some pulls are within +/- 10%
10% would be 2 standard deviations away
you see 2-3 standard deviations is a very small portion of the dps curve, so any more than that is rare (but possible)
summer nimbus
2 means 95% and 3 is 99%
radiant wyvern
what about this tho then
that range is going to be bigger because youre going to have a sim thats like all crits
why is your range 4% lower
ashen void
im curious how normalized the distributions end up looking even with all the little simbots
radiant wyvern
was that a target dummy sim or full buffs