outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Dispatch ar bte

[snow vessel]

I just finish AR bte

[native tinsel]

unreal to me how much pvp players track with so little UI

[tough trellis]

i do have to say its kinds weird that trickster wants 6+ cp

do i really not dispatch at 5?

[snow vessel]

Convinced that game mode is ragebait

[tough trellis]

and i have to press SS even though its most likely gonna waste some cp?

[snow vessel]

Ye

[tough trellis]

damn

take me back to fatebound plz

[jovial hinge]

Can someone tell me, do you delay pressing AR if bte is on cooldown? Also the inverse, if bte is up and AR has less than 30 seconds left on cd do you hold bte?

[snow vessel]

Yes hold BTE

I don’t think you should hold AR unless it’s like 5 seconds then I might do 1 extra finisher

[jovial hinge]

Ok rip AR on cd, I think I have been too liberal with holding it to line up with bte for the supercharger

[snow vessel]

Ye don’t do that

Hold bte not the other way round

[dim parrot]

What’s the script for max camera zoom I think mine isn’t out all the way anymore

[vivid vessel]

bro again

is every patch gonna be meme patch now

where you have to wait till the last week to finally have everything

[upper hawk]

omnium folio is definitely not an ai generated name

[dim parrot]

Yeh they milking monthly subs

[proven ocean]

/console cameraDistanceMaxZoomFactor 2.6

[dim parrot]

Ty

[smoky grotto]

Often I find myself in a situation where I don’t have much left to do in my rotation: Adrenaline Rush is available, but Between the Eyes is still on cooldown for another 30 seconds. So I use AR, then I spam Dispatch and Sinister Strike to get the rotation going again. Is that a good or a bad idea? Since I’m losing my Supercharger stacks in Dispatch.

[dim parrot]

Played 19 18 MT back to back tanks missed soak on last boss

[glass mortar]

ur rotation is dispatch and SS/PS tho

ur not doing anything wrong yes

[agile orchid]

imagine if the new system is another ring

[glass mortar]

sometimes you wont have bte up right at the start of AR, should be up for most of them if you use the proper holding rule tho

[proven ocean]

Ty

[proven ocean]

Np

[proven ocean]

Np

!noonecanchatinherefor5mins

See

Magician

React kekw if outlaw is good

React kekw if outlaw is bad too cuz why not

Wait no one reacted to outlaw being good

Wtf

@vivid vessel

Oh one guy did

Wait thats me nvm

[toxic galleon]

do i play outlaw for more key invites chat

[earnest sphinx]

someone sendhim the outlaw!!!! Picture

[proven ocean]

Thats exactly what u have to do to not get invited so ye do it

[obsidian light]

you guys are getting invited???

[toxic galleon]

makes sense

i get invited as sub to the shit grips

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

i agree

[frail veldt]

LOL is this kasu?

hes on the biggest crashout ive seen in a while

[worldly shale]

Yea hahahahahah

[frail veldt]

he haaaates rogues rn

[glass shard]

frick rogues

[hardy thicket]

iuno lowkey enjoying outlaw rn despite some annoying shit

might have to do with the fact that Ive only played devourer so far and that spec makes me want to kms in game

[jolly geyser]

devour yourself even

[hardy thicket]

tru

I like melee speccs wanted to play havoc but eh devo too good to pass up but fuck that spec is annoying as hell

[tranquil folio]

The play is to get ar going instead of waiting for bte to be back up in that case. You should hold bte once ar is within 40 seconds of being up just so you can send it with supercharger instead of dispatch so if its happening frequently then fix your rotation in that regard

[jolly geyser]

we long time players cant change,its rogue or bust

[hardy thicket]

more like melee or bust iuno I cant play rdps

im too used to meleebrain

[jolly geyser]

ye or melee,got melee alts

[glass shard]

im so close to bonus rolling heroic chimerus

someone stop me

[copper radish]

Sat in LFG for 45 min the other day before an invite

[gaunt phoenix]

stop !

[glass shard]

im stopped

[hardy thicket]

stahp its free on mythic

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[glass shard]

i dont do mythic

[hardy thicket]

its still free

[keen belfry]

i rerolled heroic chimerius on my alt warr

[hardy thicket]

just join a pug

[copper radish]

Don’t do it. I thought it was 1 thingy did it and realized I spent 2……

[jolly geyser]

they dont inv non ce players

[hardy thicket]

thats true

well even more so dont roll on hc

just focus on m+ then ig

[glass shard]

just doing a lot of heavy lifting lol

[hardy thicket]

I pug:ed mythic chim on my devo last week cuz I missed main raid reclear in guild

I got into downphase as group 1

Cstar on big dude, ripped aggro, died

that was my effort

[obsidian light]

its rough without a tank/heal friend

[glass shard]

some guy just paid for my chest enchant cuz i didnt have one

motion

[tropic zephyr]

I mean tank is trolling if he doesn't keep aggro on big
But as a tank fuck casters hitting smallies from 200m away and standing close to boss

[hardy thicket]

nah I was trolling

I literally sent Cstar as we spawned in

was a 110% zug zug dps moment

[novel tartan]

If it’s in the guides somewhere, forgive me but here’s a PSA that helped me big time.
Put rtb in your buff manager, set up text to speech on the alert by right clicking rtb, for when you gain the buff. The game will say: one of a kind, double trouble, jackpot etc. set a second alert for a sound when rtb falls off.

This way you don’t have to decipher which icon for the buff you got

[hardy thicket]

I do that shit it helps. Just annoying that it says the current buff falling off instead of like "roll the bones" or w/e

[novel tartan]

No put it on a different random sound for it falling off, I have the. Metal jingle

[inner yacht]

the sound alert is bugged for when rtb falls off. 1/4 times it will play while the buff is still up

[novel tartan]

Mine seems to work idk

[proven ocean]

[hardy thicket]

nah i dont like the in built options from blizz

this is the best I can get

I would just fucking like it to say "Roll the bones" as the TTS says when u play it up when u configure the alert

[dusty blaze]

Interesting...gonna check it out

[proven ocean]

merz !

[hardy thicket]

But its still helpful so w/e, minor inconvinence

sup zeros

[proven ocean]

pus

Sup*

[hardy thicket]

not much im a boomer dad now

[fervent garden]

Just set this up. Awesome, thanks!

[novel tartan]

The metal jingle sort of sounds like metal dice so I put that on the buff falling off

[hardy thicket]

im still on sensei power bar as well cuz i dont main outlaw this tier (again) but its very annoying on outlaw for sure

the delay on CP is yuck

[novel tartan]

Hell yea man I’m glad I could help. This should be stock for everyone. I press rtb and it reads off “jackpot”. Etc

[ebon nimbus]

it might not matter at all, but why do we use snd manually in the opener if we could just dispatch for the buff?

[random stirrup]

save supercharger

[ebon nimbus]

ahhh

ofc

ty

[dusty blaze]

Wowsa....tts rtb is sweet

[novel tartan]

My opener sucks but it seems like we AR pre-key for the rtb buff, and snd during the timer

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[hardy thicket]

its so weird doing keys now with the cloud thingy

[frail veldt]

makes it hard to see

[hardy thicket]

first couple of keys my muscle memory fucked me big time

nah not that

I Just send ADR as we gather

and then my cloud is in narnia

im like ok

but im learning

[gaunt phoenix]

spoiler. the cloud is bugged, it doesnt matter if it's in narnia

[ivory smelt]

anybody knows how we look up healing prevented from wound poison in logs ?

[frail veldt]

shhhhhhhh

[hardy thicket]

wut?

WUT

[frail veldt]

solo keep it in dms

[gaunt phoenix]

when the cloud expires you will get the buff refreshed no matter where you are

[hardy thicket]

wdym

whatthehelly

so i dont have to hold ADR til we stop

[gaunt phoenix]

meh, hiding bugs is cringe

[novel tartan]

Oh I’ve been running back to refresh it

Or grapple around

[hardy thicket]

ive been holding it til tank fucking plants

ok so confirmation bias here maybe but

i feel like i do shit damage if i send ADR on gather

and it ends up in narnia

[craggy barn]

pin it then solo

if its cringe it hide!

[fervent garden]

ive been grappling hook back to it for the last second. f*ck me

[gusty topaz]

Explains a lot actually

[craggy barn]

its such a freeing bug tho frfr

not worrying about placement is a huge lift of burden

pray thats how its inteded to work and they dont fix it

like they did with the hearty food buff

[hardy thicket]

i mean its kinda fucking troll seeing how the spec works

to hold ADR just cuz u dont want to place the cloud wrong

so i hope its intended

[craggy barn]

yea

just anything requiring planting on any class is cringe

[gusty topaz]

Pirate fighting in the smoke bomb kinda funny

[craggy barn]

like i tolerate it as BDK

[gusty topaz]

Like standing in conc on that stupid pink class

[craggy barn]

and now udk have to spam DND

again

even more than before

LOL

fuckin wild they rmeoved it from rotaiton for frost and udk

an djust

said

[lusty sparrow]

how does trickster handle the opportunity proc with 1 combo point

[craggy barn]

NAH

[hardy thicket]

bruh how the hell did I not notice this

[craggy barn]

udk has to do it again

[hardy thicket]

on my buff bar

[craggy barn]

its hard to notice

because u always just stand in it anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

you just ps

though if you ss instead. there is not a difference

[lusty sparrow]

then at 5 you still build again unless its shitting spree yea

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[craggy barn]

has there been any new minor min maxes found solo

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[craggy barn]

bet

[hardy thicket]

the 4th min/max rule in rotation optimizations does my head in still

I keep mixing it up

[craggy barn]

oh right, have u been able to determine if holding bf if at 5cp was worth it

all the apls ive tried ot make seemed fucked

i know awang and zac have mentioned just doing that before

but that was when AR was energy draining

[ebon nimbus]

regarding talents in raid, when do i directly take the mplus build if there is some kind of adds in it? even if they are short lived? or whats the rule here

[craggy barn]

if u want to giga pad on adds and there are enough of them to reliably pad on, u can mplus
like imperator

[ebon nimbus]

i just try to understand when to use what

[craggy barn]

or perma cleave fights

[gaunt phoenix]

[craggy barn]

YO

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel infinite dps unlocked ..

[craggy barn]

huge

[glass shard]

did heroic

trinket dropped

[craggy barn]

ye my sims and apl were prob just fucked

[glass shard]

never lucky :/

[hardy thicket]

0,3% we take those

[craggy barn]

i think i was running a dungeon route sim and a fucked apl

[ebon nimbus]

okay so usually i play st build on all fights except paladin?

[craggy barn]

hybrid

sometimes u just have to take deft

[gaunt phoenix]

always use deft

also dragons is cleave

[craggy barn]

imperator u can get away with full mplus

[glass shard]

does ur bf reach

[craggy barn]

because adds do kinda matter there

[glass shard]

ur aoe size increases when u jump

[gaunt phoenix]

when the dragons are on the ground ye

[glass shard]

so maybe u can abuse that

[frail veldt]

wat

[craggy barn]

if adds die to fast for u

[gaunt phoenix]

it's true

[craggy barn]

then u can just go full st

[frail veldt]

wat????

lolol

[glass shard]

yea

go log in to a mage

[frail veldt]

why would it im so confused

[glass shard]

jump and nova

vs not jump and nova

[frail veldt]

its a sphere though

[glass shard]

its kind asilly

how much range u get

[frail veldt]

isnt it?

[craggy barn]

sphere, but the hitbox might be lower than the ground

[glass shard]

not even kinda silly

very silly

[frail veldt]

so the sphere's center isnt on the ground?

its below the ground?

[craggy barn]

possibly

[glass shard]

no idea

but jumping does a lot

[craggy barn]

if jumping increases AOE then thats usually why

[glass shard]

i thought this was well known

[ebon nimbus]

okay maybe looking at number 1 log guys is wrong

[glass shard]

but maybe only cause i pvp

[craggy barn]

logs at this point

[ebon nimbus]

he plays mplus almost everywhere, where there are ads

[craggy barn]

are giga pad

rank1 logs are op giga pad

[frail veldt]

I pvp a lot

and I didnt know this lol

[glass shard]

too low elo

[frail veldt]

I am not lol

trust

[craggy barn]

i just auto jump when im standing still when i dont need to melee shuffle

jsut constant jump spam instead of melee shuffling

[glass shard]

trusting

[craggy barn]

in some spots

[frail veldt]

maybe cuz I just dont play mage

[glass shard]

its relevant on like

every class

[craggy barn]

it also could be hitboxes of the mobs being scuffed

[glass shard]

not even just by DOING ability

but also for TAKING

[frail veldt]

I always knew it was a sphere but never knew it was bigger when jumping

[craggy barn]

and jumping takes advantage of hitbox geometry not being uniform

[glass shard]

legsweep

fear

[craggy barn]

but idk

[hardy thicket]

I mean maybe, depends on why he logged #1 as m+, he could have just been let to pad and everyone else was ethical or he was in total shit groups where dmg was low

[frail veldt]

im gona go airborn and nova

[ebon nimbus]

so this is hybrid you were talking about?

[glass shard]

but unironically go jump with frost nova

and dont laugh

[frail veldt]

arcane nova

frost nova doesnt have a visible sphere

[glass shard]

visual doesnt matter

for nova

it doesnt get larger

[frail veldt]

alright now were backtracking lol

[glass shard]

on arcane nova

?

what

i specify frost nova because u can see t he dummy get rooted bro

use ur noggin

[frail veldt]

cooldown too long

gona use arcane nova

[glass shard]

tiktok brain

[hardy thicket]

any brain rn

[glass shard]

24 sec = need to press something else

[hardy thicket]

also this is outlaw

we were tiktok brains before tiktok existed

[craggy barn]

yes this is for pure cleave fights, grandmelee is big bf damage, and u dont need dancing steel because not enough targets for it to matter

[frail veldt]

yeah the sphere is definitely centered underneath the character

can see it in the arcane explosion animation

[craggy barn]

some fights u dont event take gm, but still take deft

[lone surge]

what spots are u guys crafting?

[craggy barn]

depends on where ur at

[jolly geyser]

lowest

[craggy barn]

do u have m weapon?

[lone surge]

im a rat just crafted a weop also next week im will get fist and dagger from reroll in skyreach

[hardy thicket]

I just crafted lowest slot on everything but mine is an alt rat

we climbin'

[frail veldt]

youre almost same ilvl as my main! lol

[hardy thicket]

tf

[craggy barn]

i did double weapon (because spec swap stuff i do) into boots belt

[hardy thicket]

well I had the hc discount so that helped

[craggy barn]

i havent done my next craft

because i wanted to send on upgrades

[hardy thicket]

but like im going to get some ilvl off of this

[jolly geyser]

im almost 282, kinda lost motivation to play. Lets see

[dusty blaze]

So erm...we don't bf deft at 5 anymore?

[frail veldt]

who said that

[craggy barn]

was this only changing the builder rule or both builder and refresh

[frail veldt]

oh at 5cp

not 5 targets

LOL was confused

[gaunt phoenix]

builder

[dusty blaze]

i'm beered up...things hazy...nid clarification

[frail veldt]

I was gona ask about this actually, is there a world where we just finish at 5 if deft is ready instead of build at 5?

[gaunt phoenix]

ofc you refresh if it expires

[frail veldt]

if its dispatch

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[frail veldt]

and not bte

damn

kk

[toxic galleon]

do we sime dungeon slice for m+ ?

[hardy thicket]

yes

[toxic galleon]

ty

[frail veldt]

damn I was enjoying slamming BF

[glass shard]

also spell hitbox and player hitbox arent the same

[frail veldt]

love when we think the specs boring then find minmax after minmax lol

[hardy thicket]

so at 5 cp we build to 6+ before deft

for 0,3%

or

[glass shard]

even if 1 "eminates" the other

[gaunt phoenix]

no you build, finish, deft

[hardy thicket]

yeah ofc

i forgot the finish part

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[glass shard]

thats what she said

[frail veldt]

makes sense

thats kinda how we used to BF

[dusty blaze]

kk ty

[hardy thicket]

is it tho

[frail veldt]

well then follow up: Does range get reduced if im jumping and someone is trying to aoe me(and theyre not jumping)

[glass shard]

i dont understand

[frail veldt]

im on the receiving end

I jump

enemy is trying to aoe me

[glass shard]

yea

[frail veldt]

their range is now smaller?

[glass shard]

no

not affected

[frail veldt]

but whai

[glass shard]

i dont know lol

[frail veldt]

well if im high enough it does

so

lets say im on a flying mount

and I fly like 2/3 yards up

[glass shard]

in arena ?

[frail veldt]

aoe def reduces range

[glass shard]

xd

[frail veldt]

im trying to figure out what the hitbox is shaped like

[dusty blaze]

well that was a hell of a productive 10 mins of discord outlaw....rtb tts and no deft at 5...sheer luck that i logged on 🙂 ty folks

[frail veldt]

like double jump from a dh

I mean why wouldnt it get reduced

[glass shard]

because vertical hitbox is weird

fly 200m into air

and press blink

randomly ur on the ground

[frail veldt]

if im 200m in the air

and im directly above someone

and they aoe

they dont hit me

[glass shard]

yea

[frail veldt]

so then the aoe hitbox has some shape, I was under the impression its spherical

[glass shard]

it might well be

i dont know

[frail veldt]

so in theory the image I show would be accurate to what happens in the game

[glass shard]

assuming the sphere is that size

yes

[frail veldt]

kk cool

[glass shard]

historically dh has been able to double jump over stuff before

in raid and what not

so it depends on if the ability is flat or has upward size

i have no reason to believe that arcane explosion and frost nova are the same spell size

i'd assume that frost nova becomes avoidable before arcane explosion does

(assuming radius is the same)

[frail veldt]

nor do I

but I do have reason to believe theyre the same shape

[glass shard]

im not sure

would be fun to science

i wonder if forst nova is instant

for the whole size

or if it expands like the visual

(theoretically shadowsteppable or something)

[frail veldt]

that would be wild lol

[glass shard]

kalvish clip in 2 days if its a thing

[worldly shale]

ok guys

got everything from pit

poggies

[glass shard]

nice

[frail veldt]

grats

[glass shard]

:appy:

[worldly shale]

[glass shard]

@frail veldt what do u play in arena

[frail veldt]

outlaw and spriest mainly

some disc/holy

[glass shard]

spriest gigashad

[frail veldt]

I hate new tentacle slam

[glass shard]

jump fear is op

[frail veldt]

unplayable imo

[glass shard]

now u know

+150 to ur peak

[frail veldt]

I always did it

[glass shard]

oh

[frail veldt]

+150 to my peak would make no sense lol

[glass shard]

+-0

gg

[frail veldt]

I didnt know it worked

I always just did it from back when jumping prevented incoming slows/snares

cuz momentum

[flat needle]

Quick question: I got a gaze hero path and a bullshit trinket. Should i bonus roll on mythic gaze or solarflare prism?

[ebon nimbus]

!logs

[gaunt phoenix]

hm, gaze is far more likely

[gusty topaz]

How bad is the cheeks trinket?

If access to gaze weekly prolly the right choice

[flat needle]

super thanks

[tepid geode]

belf good outlaw race?

[gusty topaz]

Just not in caverns on the bridge

[plain whale]

If you're in a situation where you're ready to cast a finisher but AR comes up, do you hit AR so AR benefits from the CDR but you waste the CP's, or do you send the finisher and then AR?

[novel isle]

spend

[pure folio]

Spend finisher

Dispatch* u don’t spend bte

[glass shard]

panda bis afaik but its also baby differences

[pure folio]

panda mechagnome

[worldly shale]

is there uh a list of what counts for parse and what doesnt

i remember it saying

when u go on the boss page

it said it before

cant see it now

[fresh acorn]

!log

[jolly geyser]

mog looks bad on panda

[stuck sparrow]

probably dwarf

at least long term

[glass shard]

bad opinion

[glass shard]

probably real

[stuck sparrow]

a bit extra mainstat is often good in first seasons

then gets weaker

[glass shard]

can u not xmorph

imorph

whatever one it is nowadays

[stuck sparrow]

i mean you can just use glamours

+other toys

dwarf is probably the strongest all rounder if you dont want to change constantly

[hardy thicket]

I just dwarf then rotate between glamour and toy

[glass shard]

at least im consistent

lol

(heroic)

[twilit axle]

Looking at logs its already cringe. Mythic dragons top outlaw log only like 4-5 people get to cleave adds

Salad Bar my tank wiped us too much then pulled the boss WAYYY too far to cleave adds

One day I will get to parse

[stuck sparrow]

every boss with adds ever

[glacial sluice]

is hunt+linen fine in m+?

[magic steppe]

just look at boss damage to make u feel better then

[glacial sluice]

crazy outlaw presses snd again

[pearl ocean]

is it possible to follow ability highlight on outlaw as a beginner ?

just to get a rough idea on rotation

[silver venture]

can i sim an item as if it was a max rank even tho it isnt as of right now?

so im sure i dont waste crests

[glacial sluice]

yea, you just add the crests and add it

[gaunt phoenix]

in top gear you click the + on an item to generate an upgraded version

to your bags

[silver venture]

aight thank you fellas

[remote pike]

hey bros, how's outlaw feeling with this expansion? is it an improvement from last expansion? is the class/spec a weaker version of itself?

[glacial sluice]

someone who hasn't touched outlaw this expac, it looks to be currently the strongest spec

[pearl ocean]

is it fine to drop the crafted gear ( with embellishment on ) for mythic track bis ?

[glacial sluice]

that seems like a sim question

[magic steppe]

i guess sim it tbh

[glass mortar]

if u substitute for another embelished piece in another slot

[pearl ocean]

👍

[glass mortar]

otherwise it probably wont sim as an upgrade but it might depending on the slot/whats replacing it

[pearl ocean]

btw, sorry for asking this again. Is it possible to macro the opener sequence ?

adr -> sd -> rtb

[glacial sluice]

pretty sure you can only macro stuff that doesn't share GCD

[novel isle]

/castsequence

[glass mortar]

what is SD in this sequence...

[glacial sluice]

slice and dice

[glass mortar]

oh SnD i c i c

i mean you could make a very jank macro for it but you really shouldnt

it would need to be a cast sequence

[glacial sluice]

which pased off pins should technically be after rtb

[lusty sparrow]

just had 22 bte resets in a row

[dusty blaze]

woah

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry im starting to get sussed out again im ngl

[hollow temple]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[vivid vessel]

my best pull pre reset was like 800k dps right

and you are telling me

after a 19% aoe buff

i havent gone higher than that

sus if you ask me

[glacial sluice]

sheesh what is your dungeon slice simming at

[keen belfry]

hmm

[craggy barn]

skill issue?

[azure wasp]

Hello,
I’m experiencing a kind of latency when I play Outlaw, and I was told it might be related to the spell queue.
I currently have 23 ms, but when I use this macro:
/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") /console SpellQueueWindow 100
I get the following error message.

How can I fix the issue? Is the macro invalid?

[craggy barn]

separate commands

[glass mortar]

each / is a seperate line

you cant just copy paste that chunk into the game

the first one lets you know what ur spellqueue is

the second changes it

[azure wasp]

oh ok

thx

[glass mortar]

[azure wasp]

100 is good value with 23 ms ?

[glass mortar]

i mean personally i would never put my spellqueue that low

but u can try it out and see

honestly spellqueue is like a placebo for many people so, just something to test urself

[craggy barn]

it shortens the window in which u can queue a spell

[glass mortar]

there is a gap in the understanding the general playerbase has for how it works and the way blizzard describes it working

[craggy barn]

if its too high (ex 800) it can feel weird. too low and u dont get the benefits of the queue

[glass mortar]

can u even set it that high, there must be a ceiling on it surely

i thought 400 was close to the ceiling tbh

[craggy barn]

100 at 23ms is fine. but so is like 250

idk if theres a cap, havent tested

[vivid vessel]

arent you sused out

[craggy barn]

zac i only feel better in st than before the patch

[vivid vessel]

ye kinda same i think?

[keen belfry]

i hit 880k tho

[vivid vessel]

i do higher overalls for usre

[keen belfry]

and we are blasting in overalls

[vivid vessel]

ok but didnt you hit that pre patch bro

isnt 19% aoe buff insane

[keen belfry]

never over 800k

[azure wasp]

ok thx all

[keen belfry]

i simply wonder if this is a diff in practice than sim buff

in certain scenarios

idk how to explain

[azure wasp]

@vivid vessel you have modif spellqueu ?

[vivid vessel]

150

[craggy barn]

zac they neefed trickster aoe didnt they tho

[azure wasp]

ok thx for info

[keen belfry]

why would trickster burst less? coin shit? @vivid vessel

u are implying that in massive pulls/burst pulls (idk) that you arent as strong as the buff would seem

but overall you are

[glacial sluice]

being completely ignorant on outlaw currently, the pinned spec consistently sims ~2k less then the one from fuu's spreadsheet for me, but my gear definitely isn't optimized for outlaw yet

[craggy barn]

zac is the 19 u r citing the gain above fb

or just tricksters raw gain

[quaint wharf]

rolling 2 feels so bad

rolling jackpot i feel like thanos

[wraith mist]

Do you guys ever miss the old combat rogue or do you feel like outlaw just was an improvement overall?

[craggy barn]

improvement

[glass mortar]

massive improvement

[craggy barn]

combat was good for its time, but its not modern

combat in the modern landscape would be too simple and boring

[glass mortar]

what are the talent differences?

[craggy barn]

button presses on average as combat are not meaningful

[violet hawk]

hello, did they update the cloud do you dont have to step in again and just get full duration?

[glacial sluice]

pinned

[glass mortar]

they did not update it

[craggy barn]

yes

[glass mortar]

and if it happens to be working that way it would be a surprise

[craggy barn]

its a bug

[glacial sluice]

fuu's

[glass mortar]

to everyone in here who certainly doesnt know about it

or any bugs related to such ability

[violet hawk]

watched some guide that said you dont need to stay in cloud u just get full duration

[gaunt phoenix]

it's this talent

[radiant wyvern]

why would it be a bug

and not just qol

[gaunt phoenix]

u can take the vers but it more vulnerable to rng

[wraith mist]

yeah alright, I get it and outlaw probably is a "better made spec" i just miss the thematics and simplicty of a simple sword rogue

[glass mortar]

that talent and sleight

[quaint wharf]

sleight yeah

[glass mortar]

solo is taking the talents to make the rng less painful

which can be slightly behind the one in fuus

but 2k is nothing

the variance reduction is well worth imo

[craggy barn]

bc it doesnt look like it should work that way

its good that it does tho

[glass mortar]

because it was never announced anywhere and the way old cloud cover worked required being in the cloud and the way the new tooltip works implies you need to be in the cloud to refresh the buff

[violet hawk]

so it does work like that for now but it might not be intended?

[glacial sluice]

my ST sim is garbage ;_; https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bYfXbJkbHKzGVLQxFbS41k

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster variance is absolutely mental

[craggy barn]

yes. we dont know

[glass mortar]

[violet hawk]

gotcha, thanks for clarification

ima go hate my life at paladins now

[craggy barn]

lol

[glass mortar]

what exactly would be the point of a lingering cloud for 10 seconds

[radiant wyvern]

yeah but its blizzard i can believe it was intentional and also they forgot to make patch notes of it

[glass mortar]

if it wasnt there for you to refresh ur buff

[radiant wyvern]

somebody threw us a bone, simple as

[craggy barn]

intentional or not, it works that way rn

[violet hawk]

abuse till fix

[glass mortar]

seeing as it appears to have happened (for all we know) when they fixed the energy cost, its likely they just broke it when they did that

in a wonderful way

[wraith mist]

that is the rogue way!

[violet hawk]

from what it reads its 100% not as intended i think but oh well

[glass mortar]

thanks for breaking things blizz

[craggy barn]

it doesnt work like how other stationary buff fields work

imo dnd, and consecration should be made to work like this

[violet hawk]

got first real paladins prog tonight, feels so ass compared to other bosses idk haha

i might be just shit

[glass mortar]

our 3 target is poop and our 2 target is even worse

and thats basically the whole fight

[radiant wyvern]

death knights and paladins deserve nothing

[craggy barn]

dps pal and dk sure

udk doesnt even use dnd for standing in it so it wouldnt even do anything for them

[vivid vessel]

from patch to other patch

from fb pre patch

to trickster post patch

[glass mortar]

so tricksters actual gain would be singnificantly more

like close to 25% prob?

how far behind was it before patch, 4-5%?

[late hill]

Can somebody give the addon name to track roll the bones like not in top buff screen but a bit on the right side from the target frame

[craggy quiver]

Cdm is bugging out not only invisible rtb but also cloud cover is as well

[frail veldt]

At that point they don't even exist

Not complaining but still just funny

I think it's unintended

[worldly shale]

I NEED BURIED TREASURE HELLO

[dim parrot]

Do u guys remember the difference in UHDK after 20% nerf

19% should be insane

[slim hare]

why are both rogue in my guild crashing and cant reconnect?

[indigo token]

does fartlaw feel ok

iver switched to sin

[worldly shale]

holy fucky im kinda stacked no?

[bronze badge]

saron time neck ring bonus loot

[worldly shale]

only ring left

neck is myth

[bronze badge]

okay nice

[worldly shale]

yeye

i cleaned pit

did first 2

got refunded

got another 2

and another 2 now on reset

XD

[pliant heath]

does hero prism actually sim as an upgrade over crucible for people?

[worldly shale]

a lil bit

[paper rivet]

did for me yes

[worldly shale]

benched on alleria lets goo

diablo time

[wide flare]

is there a new d4 season?

[teal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/d4bad-gif-908727281341811592

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix @keen belfry i have irrefutable proof that outlaw isnt bugged and got buffed by 19% in .5

[keen belfry]

told u

BANGER

[knotty knot]

Hello guys, am i the only one with the display of dice buff bug ? Dissapear 54sec left and come back 48sec left https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mCk0EffBicJQaaH4_?invite=cr-MSxha2gsMzg2NzQ2MjU4

[vivid vessel]

this is legit 1min into pull also

i love how outlaw continue going up

its so funny

[keen belfry]

holy moly

[astral jay]

cosmetic 12.0.7 outlaw buffs:

https://fixvx.com/arcanistsaphras/status/2049932639549722957
https://fixvx.com/MrGMYT/status/2049913745770525086

✨🌒Saphras🌘✨ (@arcanistsaphras)

New Trading Post set on 12.0.7 PTR!! 🤠

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 30, 2026, 7:23 PM

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

"Horse with Hat" is a new Mount in 12.0.7 listed for the Trading Post

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 30, 2026, 6:08 PM

get your tumbleweeds ready

[worldly shale]

HGOLY

[molten flicker]

That horse is yoked

[keen belfry]

what shold ic raft on this guy

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/CrypticApatheticEndiveBCWarrior-xCUsdjaJsVW8WdHP @keen belfry

surely 1milli soon

just need a little bit more !

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel what to craft?

[tropic zephyr]

Legit ramp spec

[frail veldt]

blaaastin

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

you wont believe it

[frail veldt]

gotta love jackpot first roll

[vivid vessel]

we went again

and i did the same

[molten flicker]

Never unlucky

[buoyant stratus]

Not even insane bte rng

Okay hes cookin

Zacs gonna hit the 13 bte in a row tru combo

Ascend past feral

[vivid vessel]

so close bro @keen belfry

was so close

[hazy temple]

So is cloudcover not losing cdoutside of cover or what? Like i just saw woxtoxic talk about it

[vivid vessel]

i was almost about to reach it

ye

[buoyant stratus]

Ye it just refreshes when it expires

Highkey should just work that way

[hazy temple]

oh sick

[formal thunder]

I just got Whirl of Blades (Tset 6% damage) from casting BF????

[buoyant stratus]

So toxic grappling back into the cloud

[knotty knot]

Can someone tell me if it's a know bug ?

[final pagoda]

@vivid vessel what do you use to show those huge debuffs?!!?

[crimson scarab]

yeah it is, its happened to me as well on a few occasions

other ppl have complained too

[knotty knot]

Meh !

[tropic zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[tropic zephyr]

#outlaw message

[formal thunder]

I thought it may be because of Ritual Site for some reason, but works on dummies too

does it do that in keys too??

[quiet ore]

It's been this way since launch of the season, we know

[formal thunder]

wtf

how did I not notice??

[tropic zephyr]

Nobody tracks that shit

[quiet ore]

Because there's no gameplay around it

[carmine mountain]

The real question is why do you 3 x combo points in your ui

[formal thunder]

idk man

I couldn't even tell you which ones I look at usually

[proven ocean]

3 combo point trackers

[formal thunder]

my eyes just absorb the info

[proven ocean]

u need only 1 btw

[knotty knot]

Same, just notice tonight, but happend a lot

[tropic zephyr]

Ok big guy send ui screenshot

[crimson scarab]

the more the merrier

[tropic zephyr]

Nice

[proven ocean]

thats my ui rn

@vivid vessel thoughts?

[crimson scarab]

Can u share ui?

[tropic zephyr]

No addon ui

Chad

[crimson scarab]

:OOO

[primal holly]

Just returned from holiday - do I not need to stand in cloud cover when it's up? it seems like i'm getting 3x fazed when I'm outside of it

sorry if dumb q

[formal thunder]

okay, I don't even know how to remove the not wangbar ones

[crude anchor]

its bugged and just works

[worldly shale]

is guidon ok on us idk id just macro it to ar, got a myth one from playing subby
sims better than hero prism

[primal holly]

wow ok

great bug blizz ty

[quaint mauve]

awang hasnt logged on his rogue in ages now

its over.

[fair sparrow]

It's not a bug, it was intended to work for 10 sec after leaving the cloud

It's in the tooltip

[primal holly]

right but

[glass mortar]

right but

[primal holly]

it's re-upping when i'm outside of cloud

[glass mortar]

also the bug

[fair sparrow]

The extra behaviour is that it refreshes itself when the cloud ends

Please don't use the word "bug"

We prefer the term "behaviour"

[formal thunder]

best I can do is 2, no idea how to remove the ones from nameplate

[glass mortar]

clever use of game mechanics even

we cleverly run away from our farts and leave them behind

so we dont need to sit in the smell

makes sense blizzard, matches the lore

but if its going to work this way id prefer if our allies were still forced to see it because that was very funny

[primal holly]

so that means i can safely leave the cloud for no damage loss? @fair sparrow

[glass mortar]

yes

[subtle heron]

correct

[glass mortar]

as of right now u dont need to pay any attention to the cloud

its a flavor visual

[primal holly]

amazing news ty

[glass mortar]

and that is hopefully what blizzard intended which is why it isnt a bug and we are not coping

[fair sparrow]

its definitely not intended

distract was hanging on by its teeth

was a bloody bug removal

[glass mortar]

ye my guess was they broke it when they fixed the energy cost thing

but it should really just stay this way

of course i never actually TESTED if u could just afk outside the cloud on 12.0.5 release so

[vapid blaze]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tough lagoon]

Ive been basing my builds and sims off the talents posted here, but am I tripping that the build on wowhead is trolling? it doesnt take prep or cloud cover and sims 15% less than the "standard" build

[tender wedge]

out of date page perhaps?

what re you looking it, it's correct where im looking

[glass shard]

are u looking at fatebound page perhaps

[tough lagoon]

Im just looking at the talent build page. I also clicked the link to export the build and it's the same

[tender wedge]

this is from the quick guide page

that's from the main "builds" page

[eager hound]

You are looking at an old page

[tender wedge]

everything looks right to me

[tough lagoon]

how tf am I seeing an old page lol

[tender wedge]

pretty hard for us to answer that without a link lol

[tough lagoon]

the quick guide page is correct but the talent build is old I guess

[tender wedge]

just navigate through wowhead like a normal person 😛

[tough lagoon]

oh wtf I somehow got to the midnight beta version lmaooo time for a nap I guess

[tender wedge]

amen brother, sleep easy

[eager hound]

Good night king

[tame zealot]

hey as a newly lvl 90 outlaw, who's bonus rolling pit of saron for loot, i'm assuming i should craft a main hand, any preference between the different options?

[gaunt phoenix]

like weapon type?

its all the same

sword/fist/axe/mace

[tame zealot]

alright thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

but probably 98% of ppl make a sword

probably cheapest

[tame zealot]

it's litteraly same components for the recipe if i'm not blind xD

and i should put the sigil hunt right?

scared to do a mistake so i'm double checking xD

[bright crane]

You can always recraft the embellishment

[solar basalt]

Is there a setting to increase visibility during smoke? Green pools are damn near impossible to see

[marsh raft]

Either projected textures or ground clutter ought to deal with it, not sure which would do better

[frail veldt]

do not turn off projected textures thats for sure

need that to see ground effects

just lower particle density

[solar basalt]

Sweet thanks

[dim parrot]

Bro out here giving random advice about ground clutter

[frail veldt]

ground clutter 10 is fucking wild

[summer nimbus]

for some reason my particle density resets everytime i log

[frail veldt]

might have another addon setting it then

like elvui or something

[dense coral]

Casualaddict? More like Casualbetrayer amirite? (Of rogues)

[agile orchid]

I feel like if they swapped the 1st and 2nd levels of RTB, the spec would be improved considerably

getting 1 roll is like getting cancer

[summer nimbus]

idgi wouldnt that be even more cancer ur just getting one roll all the time then with loaded dice

[agile orchid]

What

At level 2 rtb you get them both combined

[summer nimbus]

oh yea ig thats true

[agile orchid]

I am just saying that if the level 1 buff gave you extra combo points when you used builders instead of increased chance of pistol shot procs, spec would be much better to play if you had bad rng

[frail veldt]

well thats what level 2 does

[agile orchid]

Ok, what I am asking is for level 1 to give you extra combo points

And level two to give you extra procs

It’s not that hard to understand, is it

Sometimes you have to roll without loaded dice

And if you get one of a kind

It’s legit gg

[limpid sky]

lowkey just dont low roll

[frail veldt]

yeah that could help though it might make talents like loaded dice weaker

[keen belfry]

cant believe @outer meteor passed me...

[agile orchid]

Well they could improve the low roll with this simple change, innit

[keen belfry]

na is cooked

[frail veldt]

then wed end up playing a build that still has issues

rtb is just kind of problematic in its current state since its compounding stages

[agile orchid]

Imo just level 1 is completely awful to play with

[frail veldt]

I agree

[agile orchid]

If they did this small change it would be not great but also not horrible

[frail veldt]

thats because stage 2/3 are so strong and theyre all compounding

[radiant wyvern]

simply roll a jackpot when you have to roll without loaded

[agile orchid]

This only happens at the end of the dungeon when it doesn’t matter anymore

[limpid sky]

it's not that unlikely cause it's a 50/50

either you do or you dont

[radiant wyvern]

thats whats up

[agile orchid]

I would also love to see a passive talent instead of kir that increases the duration of your roll by a couple of seconds each time you do a finisher

[frail veldt]

zzz more passives

[agile orchid]

But I want preparation gone

The most

[frail veldt]

I wish rtb wasnt a power level roll and instead was a rotation influencing roll

[agile orchid]

Absolutely dogshit ability to play with

[inner yacht]

how is kir a problem 😭 kir was the second funnest button in tww*

[frail veldt]

with maybe small power level baked in

but primarily focused on mixing up your priorities

[agile orchid]

It’s not

[limpid sky]

prep feels really good to play with but most of that is prob because it's strong

[frail veldt]

prep is insanely strong yeah

[limpid sky]

getting 3 loaded dice at the start of a key smile smile

[frail veldt]

it is nice having a "cooldown"

[agile orchid]

At least remove the gcd

[frail veldt]

that isnt on our cdr

[agile orchid]

It just feels awful to press

[limpid sky]

tjhats so annoying

[frail veldt]

Ive always wanted something like that but just make it do big dam or something

[prisma heron]

Do other people hear your gunshot sfx?

[frail veldt]

dont think so

maybe very quietly but generally teammate sounds are pretty muted

[empty marten]

Is outlaw the top rogue class in raids or are these chinese padding logs increasing the average?

[fathom whale]

The Chinese know best

[desert tendon]

what am i looking at

[frail veldt]

complex diagram of aoe hitbox

AI generated

[desert tendon]

i see

no human can draw anyway

Soon paint will be deleted since human will forget how to draw

[marsh raft]

Nah it’ll be like when photographers put a lot of portrait painters out of work. You can still find people to paint your portrait today but it’s costly for a skilled person to do it. There’ll always be demand for high quality confirmed human done work, it’s just the middle and low end of the market that are screwed.

Unfortunately that does mean tons of people can’t make a living in that niche anymore though

[desert tendon]

Mewo one day AI will generate better hands than yours. How do you feel about that?

[outer meteor]

i think i might ve just broken a record

only 2 rolls from the start up to the trash after aa 2nd boss

that was crazy

[craggy barn]

oh yea, i have come to the conlcusion outlaw isnt inting in aug keys

[royal cloud]

!pre

what's the thingy

[dim parrot]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[glass mortar]

i already said this

😠

i asked saeldur

aug is fine with all the guys now

unless ur damage profile is somehow like 20% non scaling with primary

which has been outlaw in past seasons to be fair, but i dont think its anyone rn

[desert tendon]

Valeera check weran

and i think it's mostly because aug was really enhancing burst specs, but it seems to have shifted more on personnal damage and enhancing constant damage a bit more

but what do i know

[craggy barn]

idk i felt like it was inting before the patch, but mostly bc our damage was kinda meh

[desert tendon]

i mean, since it enhances damage it sure does better if the spec does actual damage

[craggy barn]

well yea

now that we do actual damage

its not inting

ez

[fathom whale]

Oi in m+ should I be sending prep? Blasting it early on cd?

[craggy barn]

u can

imo depends on where ur at when its off cd

right before a boss? i tend to save it

pack is almsot dead? save it

u can kinda treat it like a CD as if u were a CD spec

[novel tartan]

pin the post, thank me later. TTS reads "jackpot", "triple threat", "double trouble", or "one of a kind" when you cast rtb

this needs to be baseline for everyone to enjoy

[vivid vessel]

you know you can just track the buff right

you see the icon

[novel tartan]

you can decipher the icon instead off looking at interrrupts or your feet yea

of course

[vivid vessel]

wdym decifer the icon

its litteraly different color, different icon

different number of things on the icon

and you legit have 30s to react to it

[novel tartan]

unless you want to cast keep it rolling to start the cdr on it

asap

[wintry solar]

Nice

[blissful gate]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

[wintry solar]

Wish it'd say when I'm at max opp procs

[blissful gate]

i missed the airhorn from the old rtb macro so that just blasts at me whenever the buff runs out (or randomly ty blizzard cdm)

[wintry solar]

May just hire someone to watch my opp stacks in person and tell me when I hit 6

[midnight granite]

is it possible to make opp glow when it's at 6 stack with Ayije cdm?

anyonek now

[vivid vessel]

no

[midnight granite]

I hate it here

[fathom whale]

Is there a way to make that

[dim parrot]

You can kinda have time to react

If your SS gives you small combo points it didn’t proc

[glass mortar]

idk if im being honest i havent played since raid last week

zero drive to do the chores

trickster is so dog

[novel tartan]

cooldown manager centered has "always glow"

[blissful gate]

yeah one of the default blizz cdm sounds is the airhorn

[sturdy ore]

or you can use addons like RogueFlow

it will not shout the buffs name but it has a cool logic for roll the bones

[novel tartan]

it's overlapping the timer for me rn but it pretty much works

except it glows on 3

and 6

[midnight granite]

lol

you only ever have opp at 3

[novel tartan]

i made the stacks easier to see , and always glow

[midnight granite]

yeah

but who cares if it's at 3 stacks

I only want to know if it's at 6

[novel tartan]

idk im still learning

so it's not good to use at 3?

[midnight granite]

it is good to use at 3 if you have 1-3 cp

but at 6 cp you use regardless

[novel tartan]

6cp overrides even if u have full cp already?

[midnight granite]

no

only if you need to build to 6 cp

[novel tartan]

ok

[high parrot]

@novel tartan do you mean for your name to be hilarious? asking for all the greeks in the discord

[novel tartan]

i have a soft brain man

im greek

[high parrot]

looool well i love it

[late nacelle]

anyone willing to look at my chimmy log and nitpick it?

[pure folio]

just !log

[static geyser]

So If I get a BTE reset, but only at 5combo points, I need to do a SS before using BTE again since I want to use BTE with over 5 combo points, right?

[teal garnet]

yes

[twilit axle]

Wait I no longer have to step back into cloud?

[dim parrot]

Guys what’s better m+ opener

AR >BR> BTE etc. - or SS to a KS then AR into BR BTE

[random stirrup]

@cinder relic dont think ive ever had less fun progging a fight

not a single thing ive done in 200 pulls has mattered

[dim parrot]

Maybe depends pack time

[random stirrup]

except like immune soaking once every 40 pulls someone gets hit by line

[blissful gate]

i will say there are definitely some issues tho, like it will play the airhorn if you’ve extended a buff occasionally

[cinder relic]

I mean its just a seed boss idk

[blissful gate]

im sure its some blizz spaghetti code checking for the original
buff time ending

[cinder relic]

U just gotta make sure u really dont die on the boss

Its fun to dodge glaives

Memory game + constellations is fun

[fair sparrow]

lura damage

hit so many jackpots

[vivid vessel]

ye

[fair sparrow]

holy fk

[vivid vessel]

outlaw boss blaster

[random stirrup]

never played one before

we didnt do constellations yet

but only time ive ever died to glaive is when its my kick so i cant pre walk out and the glaive disappears in boss model

while 18 visual effects happen

idk

[vivid vessel]

i dont even do kicks

omegalul

pure afk banger