outlaw

[unkempt dew]

Sadge

[jade stone]

with socket.

[unkempt dew]

[jade stone]

so sad

live and you learn

[unkempt dew]

True

[vapid salmon]

Is maisara the best place to reroll for mh?

it may be my gamble of the week

[river wing]

life is pain

WS would be good if not for tons of stupid trinkets

[worldly shale]

mmm

[river wing]

ah well, gonna go kill bird today, if I'm lucky I'll get a hero plume, then start figuring things out

[river wing]

myth gaze bro

like it's not even a question

[worldly shale]

yeeee yeeeee

couldve been earlier

fkn dumb trinket

im next in line for it

from drops

xd

[timid portal]

every vault i had so far was the ooze not gaze

[river wing]

ok it's Seat or WS or Xenas
good drop ratio on WS is 2/9
good drop ratio on Seat is 5/11
good drop ratio on Xenas is 4/7
dang

[timid portal]

i hope bonus roll is lucky today

if i see ooze

its time to end things

[weary fog]

spec sin/sub on seat to make it 5/10

[river wing]

valid, ty

[potent walrus]

not sure if im the only one that gets annoyed by this but is there a way to get rid of this or move it

[brisk spear]

Look for spell opacity in settings and put it to 0%

[potent walrus]

ooo legend

ty

[jade stone]

is it worth picking wep if i have a 285 crafted one?

[static crescent]

feels bad but guess a lil mastery just makes you happy

[jade stone]

sims telling me cloak is better

but will bonus roll pit so should probably hold off depending on what i get from bonus rolls

[strong halo]

dam do you really need like 1k haste?

[river wing]

it's nice yeh

[wraith cosmos]

Eh

What's best cd managers for outlaw rn?
Lax is bug for me

[strong halo]

idk how i have haste on like all items but 1 and im at like 670 haste

zac has 843

[worldly shale]

im liking AyijeCDM

[wraith cosmos]

Im AyijeCDM but my bf bar and something's else are blocking my combo points

And i was like what the fuck is going on

[clever wasp]

acdm

[wraith cosmos]

If i dont manage to fix this shit in my manager i will go back to sub or assa

[true ivy]

hey guys do we build back to 6+ cp after bte procs that put you at 5 cp?

[river wing]

yes

[true ivy]

would you ever use PS with 3 opportunity stacks to build in that scenario?

[silver ginkgo]

No

[true ivy]

thanks guys

[silver ginkgo]

[river wing]

I mean I do sometimes on reflex
but that's an error

[bleak pewter]

Yo regarding breakpoints ive heard something about 24% haste for m+ What do u guys rthink?

[river wing]

good advice, low haste sucks to play

[bleak pewter]

But if i get to 24% haste do i then play crit flask instead?

[river wing]

sim it, but they should be roughly equal yeah

[thorny hull]

[mental venture]

i read/watched that we hold BTE when AR cd is around 30 secs so we can try to get 2 BTE with the supercharged cps. But i often run into a situation where i will BTE with AR at 1 min but get a string of resets on BTE that leaves it on cd when AR is ready. Do I just send the AR or hold it?

[worldly shale]

i customized everything tbh

i put bf bar above buffs

opp i put an aura on pistol shot

ar i put an aura on ar

[radiant wyvern]

should I just strategically wipe raid when I get 2 buff on pull and zero bte resets

[remote pecan]

100%

[jolly geyser]

Can be hard on some bosses

[radiant wyvern]

knew it

conversely, how hard do I crash out on everyone after rolling back to back jackpot with like 7 resets on pull and we wipe

[river wing]

very

meanwhile after running the chances again
it is
legit a winning strat to just run Pit dry even if you don't need cloak, IF you need myth in all other slots on offer

the next best place is likely Xenas, believe it or not - only cloak and one ring are bad with catalyst, the rest is good

WS is trash due to trinket glut, Seat is risky due to sheer loot numbers, everything else just has increasingly little outlaw loot in general (even considering catalyst)

[cedar bone]

hey maybe dumb question but is it worth to spend reroll on gaze mythic if i got hc one?

[river wing]

likely not

hero gaze is already ahead of everything else anyway, best to spend rerolls on other slots that are more impactful in terms of mainstat+survival

[real mauve]

So troll that wow analyzer doesnt work for outlaw

[arctic hollow]

you can change the transparency somewhere in the settings

Spell Alert Opacity

[blissful zinc]

I changed particle density to low in graphics settings makes it semi transparent

I dont think it affects other mechanics that much

O nvm i thought u mean smokebomb

Bruh.. crit haste belt with socket when I crafted belt, haste verse dagger when i crafted dagger 💀

[mental sapphire]

heya am pretty new to retail wow but have been enjoying outlaw in the leveling process, when BtE resets do i want to build back to max CP before casting it again? (also i dont really know what spec to pick but outlaw seems fun so just do that ?)
cheers x

[mighty pivot]

build to 6+

or your max-1 if you don't have 7 max cp

[mental sapphire]

sweet ty

[sleek cedar]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[radiant wyvern]

it's not worth building to 7 from 6 for bte yeah? my reset luck feels so awful I'm scratching my neck like a tweaker wanting to build to 7 anyways

[worldly shale]

Subterfuge

[worldly shale]

Te just finish 6+

[river zenith]

Is it normal for outlaw to feel weird/laggy at times? I feel like I’m pressing a button and waiting for quite a bit of time before the cast actually goes through. Do I need to adjust some settings or it’s normal?

[potent walrus]

prty sure u always wanna bte at max combo points

for highest reset chance

[dusty blaze]

6

[trim tiger]

the names Sean, DepresSean

[turbid robin]

What should i craft for outlaw?

[static crescent]

Wait, is it so that once smoke cloud expires you automatically refresh even if your not in it? checking sub pins

[slim hare]

yes now u just have a shitty visual for no reason

[river wing]

idk how to change that but I do feel that at times

[slim hare]

no setting blizzard broke the game on midnight release there is dfelay on cp gain from procs

will not be corrected until next expac at the very least

probably later imo

[late wolf]

So when it comes to empowering due to ilvl diff do we end up using 0 embellished weps & if so what embellish do we then use?

[atomic coyote]

I felt the responsiveness change, when I changed spellque. Had the same feel on my dk and it went away when I dropped spellque from 150 to 120

Ymmw

[slim hare]

spellqueue can help on some stuff

[river wing]

you can still empower crafted if you don't have a full weapon

[slim hare]

but you should never go lower than 200

[atomic coyote]

People always say that but id rather enjoy the game I play

[slim hare]

let me put it that way

do u press everybutton in your rotation 10 times a second ?

if not

[atomic coyote]

Im aware

[potent walrus]

wait what????

[slim hare]

you probably are not gcd cap

[potent walrus]

no wonder wox never stays in his bomb

i was so confused

why he just ar'd and ran out of it insta lol

the buff just resets when the first 10 seconds end

is that a bug

[atomic coyote]

Rogue historically never was an abc class

But I get it for casters more

[slim hare]

abc?

[inland acorn]

Always be casting

[river wing]

always be casting

[slim hare]

outlaw is that

has been for a while

[river wing]

ehhhhh
Combat/Outlaw approached or even reached this playstyle at times

[slim hare]

other rogue spec sure tho

[river wing]

like MoP combat is almost GCD locked, IIRC

and TWW Outlaw was GCD locked unless you messed up

[slim hare]

we have been gcd cap since DF rework

maybe before that idk

[river wing]

also historically is an iffy categorization, because technically it's Rogue who stayed same-ish while the rest of the game moved massively around them

i.e. vanilla combat rogue, while certainly not an ABC class, is way more dynamic than 95% of other vanilla specs - like the average caster is just tossing a fireball every 3 seconds and then they run out of mana in 3 mins

[slim hare]

and even sub is gcd cap for sure during burst and its super important to not waste that gcd

so lower spellqueue is just inting most of the time

[still matrix]

3 bloody tokens and idek what to roll on now

[river wing]

what did you already get

and what slots do you have good myth items in

[river wing]

ok
pit is your best bet

[still matrix]

Neck is Hero, Shoulders Hero, Back Hero, rest Byth

[river wing]

legs+cloak+ring+neck

oh, legs are myth already

and ring too

got the numbers wrong

weeeeell
pit is still good.

[still matrix]

yer everything is myth apart from neck, shoulders, back, and plume

[river wing]

then honestly just go pit, then save for myth bird if you have a chance

[iron trout]

I have a question about the following opener macro

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=4 Adrenaline Rush,Roll the Bones, Slice and Dice

Would there be a reason not to use it ? Because it allows me to just press 1 button multiple times instead of 3, which seems like a quality of life change ^^

[still matrix]

yer plus i already have 2 items off the pit roll

got ring/dagger there

[river wing]

yep, which means you have a good chance of getting cloak/neck

[atomic coyote]

Yea hence the historically for the old uncs. Now rogue is bit faster ye. And dance globals mattering.

All in all just wanted to point that for me the spellque change clearly fixed the issue.

No idea what caused it, cause I never had it before this .5 patch and it only appeard on my dk.

Byt this patch been a pile of shit so one more bug is nothing surprising

[river zenith]

What should be our spell queue setting?

[elfin grotto]

Atp is it worth sending rolls from this week on hero trink from raid? 😄

Started gearing my rogue last week so mythic chima is prob next week onwards

[atomic coyote]

As high as you can

It is just better at 400 than at 100

If you can handle it

[river wing]

good glam btw

as for trinks, only for hero plume/gaze IMO

they are good enough to overtake myth M+ trinks

[cedar bone]

how to sim outlaw? my main focus is m+ content

[elfin grotto]

yeah was thinking the same, as other than skyreach trink I don't see where to roll. Pit is still option tho, Neck ring pants viable upgrades. But trinks are bothering me a lot T_T (not talking about this helmet) :DD

[sleek cedar]

Someone have a working macro for raid pulls so AR > SnD > RtB and maybe also trinket use?
Made a basic with/use but it didnt cast all spells. It Was messing at least 1 everytime

[wintry copper]

what dungeons do our bis one handers drop from? wondering if its worth trying to bonus them

[static crescent]

The secondary difference is so small, rather get 50 mast then go spamm nexus point

[river wing]

pit is very good and with your gear, basically guarantees upgrades on every roll

[static crescent]

So bonus rolled one from skyreach while getting trinkrt

[elfin grotto]

Pit it is, will pray for trinket rng the regular way ;D

[river wing]

Chim/Birb are more iffy due to having stuff that isn't your focus

[elfin grotto]

• 2 rolls on a single hero item feels wrong

[river wing]

esp since you have a myth chest and the best hero belt, which means only 25% chance of actual good loot from hero Chim

[elfin grotto]

xD

[cedar bone]

!sim

[iron trout]

Made the following , which works by pressing the same key over instead of multiple ones

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=4 Adrenaline Rush,Roll the Bones, Slice and Dice

You can change the order of spells, if you prefer slice before roll

[glass heron]

increasing spellqueue is good?

[light kernel]

to bonus roll dagger we can be in outlaw but put loot spec sub/assa?

[fluid crown]

Ye

[red tendon]

Doesnt skyreach trinket Myth track beat Heroic plume?

[sleek cedar]

Love ya

[vivid vessel]

They fixed it I think

[inland acorn]

Zac

Where did you get KS sound ? It seems your WA is taking it from your own mediaShare

[vivid vessel]

Ah

My bad

I didn't share

[inland acorn]

Indeed

Share the goods

[vivid vessel]

It's the same sounds as the weak aura from tww

Im in bed rn

Find that old one

[jagged plover]

1pm on a wednesday in bed

[inland acorn]

Ye but i don't have it

[jagged plover]

fire this guy

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

Find it on wago I mean

[river wing]

within margin of error, iirc

[inland acorn]

ah found it, ty zac

[cedar bone]

you sim dslice or how? pls can someone help me

[jagged plover]

dslice is good for stats

it's not an accurate representation of how much damage you should do

[cedar bone]

wdym with stats i mean for bis gear

[jagged plover]

yea it's good for that

[marsh shore]

when bte resets, do we sinister to full combo before using again?

[jagged plover]

build back to 6+

ss if 3 opp stacks, ps if 6 opp stacks

[lusty sparrow]

trickster outlaw at 5 combo points would build one more time for bte or dispatch right

5 for shitting spree

[jagged plover]

ya

[lusty sparrow]

w

[red tendon]

I got a fresh outlaw rogue, cleared full heroic raid and can easily spam 10s and clear 2/9 mythic and 1/1 dreamrift Mythic. Didnt use a single bonus roll yet, would it still be worth for me to go crafted main hand?

[novel isle]

I just swapped back to fatebound tbh XD

cba with that dog gameplay feel

[tropic zephyr]

you want to spend all your bonus roll in Pit of Saron, with loot spec sub/sin, we have like 5 or 6 BiS there including the crit haste dagger
so yeah you should craft the MH since you wont get a MH with your rolls

[rapid tiger]

if you have 6cp, coup ready, AR ready would you coup -> AR for the cp efficiency or would you AR->bte->..->coup for the cdr (usually find myself getting there right after killing spree)

[inland acorn]

we don't care about coup

[still matrix]

Killed Paladins, think worth extending to kill crown or kill bird myth, is bird myth easier than crown now?

[inland acorn]

I would say crown is still easier

[rapid tiger]

or a normal dispatch for that matter are the cp more important or the cdr

[red tendon]

Okee thanks, deffo will do thst then! Still better going 4 rolls on PoS then 1 time Chim Myth and 2 rolls PoS myth?

[inland acorn]

If you have 6 cp and AR ready, you can dispatch into AR bte

[violet osprey]

10% AVOIDANCE WE ARE SO BACK

[hybrid pecan]

How bad is it to back to back bte at 5cp

[tropic zephyr]

pretty bad

[quiet root]

well you're supposed to build to 6+ even for dispatch, and BTE has Ace (and zero in) as extra reasons to build

so i will assume it's really bad

[sonic pawn]

With ascendant voidcores are weapons going to 298 mythic vs 294 crafted . Raidbots says 295 for crafted but that seems wrong considering its a 4 ilvl difference atm

[tropic zephyr]

do you have an embellish on your crafted MH?

[sonic pawn]

yeah i do but why should that change anything. I'm gonna assume the gap between mythic v crafted will remain 4 ilvls.

[hybrid pecan]

But with resets zero in wont be stacked

[tropic zephyr]

yes its less ilvl, but rn raidbots says 295 > 298 because of embellish, not because ilvl

[sonic pawn]

i see

[violet osprey]

elusiveness evasion works on everything right?

[vivid vessel]

ye its just dr

[violet osprey]

and it stacks with faint dr too

so its 40%?

[quiet root]

yeah that's why i put it in parentheses, but ace should be enough reason to never send bte at 5 cp

i'll reiterate that you're supposed to build to 6+ for dispatch

it's unfortunate because we all want to chain back to back btes like it was tww again

[glass heron]

cant wait for tww classic

[hybrid pecan]

Damn you trickster

[quiet root]

it's the same on fatebound, you wouldn't send bte at 5 either (just dispatch)

[hybrid pecan]

What if i just got a reset but im at 6 stacks opportunity

[quiet root]

you ps from 5 to 7 xd

[hybrid pecan]

trash design

[quiet root]

yes

[earnest sphinx]

!macros

can i macro racial and pot to ar

[quiet root]

you can but that seems pretty bad (at least with regard to the pot)

macroing racial into AR is probably fine

[earnest sphinx]

maghar orc i just cba pressing it

[proven ocean]

Guys im buying thus

This

[quiet root]

wasting a pot before key start when you press AR to get LD seems hilariously troll

[proven ocean]

Apparently its #1 best seller mouse atm

Has to be best

[worldly shale]

Bro is buying a moose

[proven ocean]

@zac

[inland cairn]

It's not vertical enough

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

#1 gaming mice

[proven ocean]

Mouse

[proven ocean]

It is vertical

[wintry solar]

Looks comfy

[proven ocean]

It looks like a mouse

Not like a comfy

[wintry solar]

You got me

[livid trench]

All the boomers I work with like to buy that kind of mouse

[quiet root]

old enough to have developed mouse-related health issues 😔

[inland cairn]

Well for prolonged use it is better for your wrists

[proven ocean]

What are boomers

[quiet root]

27 years old is the cutoff last i checked 🙂

[proven ocean]

It is ergonomic tho so

It is better

[inland cairn]

Aintnoway

[proven ocean]

Why do u have developed mouse health issues

[quiet root]

not me

the boomers at this guy's work

[proven ocean]

Get well soon

Divisor

[quiet root]

thanks 🙂

[young mango]

hello, guys can u help me , u cant choose play assa or outlaw in m +(coming back to wow after long break). which one has more overal dmg / more prio dmg/ more utilities and stuff can u tell me ?

[proven ocean]

No np

[quiet root]

disregard numbers play outlaw for fun imo

assa so boring

[young mango]

i wanna play the high keys so xD which has more chance to get invite 😄

[quiet root]

outlaws are notorious for never being invited to anything

we even have a bunch of memes in here, screenshots of people kicking rogue from the group for being outlaw

[proven ocean]

Outlaw?

Invite?

lol or?

[formal knot]

invite? just sneak in lol or?

[quiet root]

so yeah if you're basing your choice on getting invited, definitely pick assa

(maybe a sneaky little swap to law inside the dungeon?)

[fervent garden]

i got invited to a wedding once. never a m+

[proven ocean]

Probably so u can leave fast since outlaws have adhd

[glass heron]

u meant pick another class?

XD

[fervent garden]

Irish Exit

[proven ocean]

[proven ocean]

XD

[quiet root]

good point

[proven ocean]

XD

[quiet root]

XD

[proven ocean]

React xd if the above msg is xd

[young mango]

so i dont want to have the same experience xD

[quiet root]

yeah go assa or better yet don't play rogue at all

[glass heron]

go aug then

[young mango]

Aug for weak ppl xD

[glass heron]

y but u can play the game

instead of roleplaying in silvermoon

[proven ocean]

And outlaw is for no ppl XD

[young mango]

@glass heronthats true xD

[proven ocean]

@glass heronthats true xD

Buff outlaw plz XD

[quiet root]

it's for 0.6% of people 🙂

[glass heron]

💪

[valid hound]

In sim, is 0.7% (+800) dps boost significant?

[proven ocean]

9k rogues out of 1.5 million!!!

BUFF OUTLAW

[young mango]

ASSa has more prio dmg than outlaw right ?

[proven ocean]

AAAAAA

[quiet root]

13% was not enough (unironically it seems)

[near rock]

@vivid vessel sub is the most drooler zero iq spec ever now, what a joke

[vivid vessel]

ye lol

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel sub is the most drooler zero iq spec ever now, what a joke :OMEGALUL:

[proven ocean]

ye lol

Wait why did my omegalul emote not work

[near rock]

Haven’t touched it since tww and was playing it on bird last night

Literally so dumb

Also you replied instantly to that message wtf

[proven ocean]

Because

[west ridge]

did you quit?

[proven ocean]

ya

[west ridge]

why

[proven ocean]

Because

[west ridge]

makes sense

[proven ocean]

Ty

Got a job

Cant play 16 hrs a day

Anymore

[vivid vessel]

ross

[formal knot]

why

[vivid vessel]

you are washed up

[proven ocean]

i know u didnt have to tell me that

[proven ocean]

Because

[frigid pelican]

what is the angry winnie the pooh guy?

[proven ocean]

Angry winner?

Who

[quiet root]

xi jinping?

[frigid pelican]

your avatar

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

Literally winnie the pooh

But in comics

Also

Im not angry

Im just chilling

0 emotions if u look closely

[frigid pelican]

lol okay. thought it was something else but was like they look like winnie the pooh but french and cowboy

[proven ocean]

Ye

The one with baguette isnt french tho

[frigid pelican]

quebecois?

[proven ocean]

Dont ask me why cuz i made that up

[quiet root]

i thought you would just reply "because" when asked why

seemed like such a good setup for it

[proven ocean]

why

[quiet root]

because

i guess

[proven ocean]

No one said why thats why i didnt because him

Because

[blissful idol]

is the bonus system still bugged?

[proven ocean]

Idk

[quiet root]

you explicitly told us not to ask why 😔

[vivid vessel]

its from a comic i found on the internet

where thye make fun of the chinese president guy

[frigid pelican]

ah okay

[proven ocean]

Why did i say that tho i dont eemember

[quiet root]

because

[formal knot]

[vivid vessel]

ye

its this meme template

bunch of funny ones

[proven ocean]

Ur a funny one, zac

[quiet root]

zac do you have mustache and beret irl

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[proven ocean]

Ye he does (i was the mustache)

Zac

U are washed up

[robust vessel]

trying out outlaw..since i got a weapon...just wanted to know...if i get BtE refunded and its at 4 or 5 cp...do i build to 6 to 7 and then BtE again or just spamm it??

[inland acorn]

build to 6+

[radiant wyvern]

i want the moo emote

[jagged plover]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668218401033814038/1445896194164527184/moo.webp

Gif u can save

[radiant wyvern]

based ty

[proven ocean]

Or u can also join my server for emotes if u want

[earnest sphinx]

bossmans

does this look ok

[radiant wyvern]

sure

[proven ocean]

I dont play wow idk

[gaunt phoenix]

bte is usually >= blade rush

[earnest sphinx]

fuaark

[proven ocean]

I can link seevwrs here or

[earnest sphinx]

i still have pretty poopoo stats though

[gaunt phoenix]

for what

[proven ocean]

Idk elerk wants

I’ll just dm

[mighty pivot]

why are there ambushes in there? are you playing HO?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye we dont ambush at all

unbind it

[proven ocean]

Hmm my wifi cut off

Weird

[glass heron]

BTE damage scales with crit right?

[radiant wyvern]

a sneaky little ambush, for the ladies

[gaunt phoenix]

what is bt

[earnest sphinx]

🫡

[glass heron]

maybe is coz of that his BR damage is higher than his BTE

[turbid robin]

Should i ctaft sword 285?

Craft*

I have 2 dagger 289

[quiet root]

wait is BR > BTE in breakdown a bad sign even in dungeons with higher average target counts?

i think i've seen BR ahead in pit of saron

[gaunt phoenix]

BR can win in pit

[earnest sphinx]

it was pit

[quiet root]

a 3.4 percentage point difference might be a bit much tho, i think it was a lot closer for me

[mighty pivot]

@glass mortar do you agree with wowhead's delve tier list https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-fastest-and-easiest-delves-in-midnight-season-1-381413

[glass mortar]

I dont speedrun my delves

[vivid vessel]

bussiness is bussiness

[glass mortar]

Delves are like a fine wine to be savored

So I cant comment on that

[fresh acorn]

What da helly

[nimble sage]

do outlaw outperform assassination in m+ now?

[violet topaz]

!addons

[fair sparrow]

they're both good

assa is going to do a lot more aoe

[nimble sage]

I enjoy both so which one do I play for typical m+?

[fair sparrow]

outlaw is going to be a lot more consistent damage and more ST/cleave

i personally play outlaw because i fucking hate assa

id rather have my variance determined by BTE resets and RTB than kingsbane crits

[ember rock]

no shot the gloomblade enthusiast is playing outlaw wtf man

identity crisis

[fair sparrow]

yeah it is what it is

sub rogue is garbage

they took nimble flurry out back for sub

and shot it 50 times

[ember rock]

its boring ngl

[fair sparrow]

gg

[ember rock]

i miss sub when u had to think about what to press

[fair sparrow]

well they did remove most of the thought behind sub

[ember rock]

^

[fair sparrow]

no ramp, no cd planning, no anything

you just press shit

[indigo token]

oh shit]

[fair sparrow]

all the optimizations are sub 1%

[indigo token]

its people playing outlaw that never played outlaw before

[fair sparrow]

huh

ok thats wild if @ me

i been playing all 3 specs since BFA

[indigo token]

well i didnt know that

and your name doesnt communicate that

[ember rock]

oh no its the rogue community pillar #2 everyone hide

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emote-elpermassacre-gun-shoot-gif-437842987678609848

[fair sparrow]

[indigo token]

was sin ass in SL?

[fair sparrow]

it was the only real spec in nathria

after buffs

but idk i always disliked sin

[nimble sage]

bruv

castle nathria is the MVP raid

[fair sparrow]

i played sin mostly in DF

[shadow trellis]

no

Sin season 2 was BiS

[fair sparrow]

well

thats just disingenuous

all 3 rogue specs were topping in season 2 SL

[ember rock]

yo guys remember echoing reprimand those were the good old days

:(

[fair sparrow]

ok i didnt really play assa

[indigo token]

lyin ass

[fair sparrow]

i just dont like the spec

idk man

i feel like im irl debuffed when i play assa

[indigo token]

i switched to sin cause i dont wanna play fartlaw

im enjoying it

[ember rock]

well assa had alot of just sit there and do nothing in the past so

[fair sparrow]

i play sub

if sub is shit i play outlaw

if outlaw is shit i beg to swap

if i cant swap i play sin

[shadow trellis]

i really enjoy assa when pooling feels like a decision

atm its so bleh

[nimble sage]

regarding this - is it worth swapping to outlaw from assassination for bigger numbers or should I just stay as assassination at that point?

[radiant loom]

Sin was peek when it 1lwas 1 min vendetta with the overhang exang shit, gone but not forgotten

[indigo token]

peek

[ember rock]

just play what u like more bro rogue isnt meta anyways 🤷

[nimble sage]

I like to play the best spec out of the 3

[river wing]

doubt it
like the numbers aren't gonna be crazy regardless, but assa has a decent thing going in high keys, and in low keys whatever spec you play blasts

[rustic birch]

Which enchant are you guys using for weapons?

[nimble sage]

I reckon it's just looking at this it really seems like Outlaw is pulling ahead after last patch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?metric=dps&class=Rogue

[ember rock]

acuity of the ren'dorei

[naive wyvern]

Can someone explain this part of the rotation guide?

Cast Pistol Shot if;
Opportunity has 6 stacks.
Opportunity has 3 stacks, and you are at 1-3 combo points.

What if I have 5 combo points and Opportunity is at 6 stacks

[burnt dragon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[buoyant stratus]

Then u shoot the gun

[river wing]

that's just like
Zac and Awang and Wox
they're the best outlaws around to begin with, Zac routinely pulls numbers nobody else thought possible even in patches where Outlaw is kinda bad
IDK if 5-10k (so 2-5%) level of difference between the very best players in the world is gonna influence what spec you want to play

[buoyant stratus]

Charrend slander

[river wing]

no smoke intended brotha

[vivid vessel]

no one logs keys tho

[nimble sage]

so you're saying all good assassination logs are not logged?

[vivid vessel]

like keys data

is not a thing

all these websites

[buoyant stratus]

I joke

[vivid vessel]

taht tells you x is top dps spec etc

its not based on any real data

cause no one logs keys

[vivid vessel]

im saying first of all there istn a single good assa doing keys rn

[nimble sage]

i just wanna play the best performing spec of the 2

[vivid vessel]

and then no one logs keys yes

[buoyant stratus]

Only like a small % of people log keys

[vivid vessel]

imo its outlaw if you are an outlaw player

[river wing]

shots fired at Ross????

[vivid vessel]

but if you are an assa/sub one trick

and you dont play outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

then you need to build cps, and the priority says it must be opportunity, cuz you are at 6 stacks

[vivid vessel]

i sincerely think you are not gonna do more damage as outlaw in keys

and it wont even be close

[proven ocean]

Based

Cuz im not playing

Thoughts?

[buoyant stratus]

Charrend slander (i have nobody to play with NA dead region gg get gud idiot)

[proven ocean]

Well

[buoyant stratus]

Just throwin all the johns out

In one go

Type shi

[proven ocean]

Theres no one that can do a real sin high key build anyway

[thorn plinth]

guys what are the odds of rolling 2buff with loaded dice and sleigh of hand?

[proven ocean]

Cuz no one pushing to test

Wtf is that pfp now

Lmao

[buoyant stratus]

Xd

[gusty topaz]

Is there a command for pre-key shenanigans?

[buoyant stratus]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[gusty topaz]

ty

lmao

[tropic zephyr]

based pfp rly

[gusty topaz]

ofc

[gaunt phoenix]

about 47%

well. in theory 44%

but observed seems a bit higher

[buoyant stratus]

I think there isnt much room for testing on assa tbh. All the gates are insanely restricted, you have to fight to get scent of blood, dashing insane talent so required, youre basically arguing fatal conc, and secondary poison

[proven ocean]

Thats what everyone said when i made my build

Lmao

[buoyant stratus]

Ds/fb yeah maybe

[thorn plinth]

thanks, i got it 3 times in a row on PoS 19 opener, (broke the monitor)

[proven ocean]

Then everyone got mad on why i gaslighted everyone into it being good

[thorn plinth]

never specing SoH ever again id rather autoattack with acro

[proven ocean]

Then people discovered it was undersimming when i sent the sims

Try harder charrend

[buoyant stratus]

Yeah but the diff this time your build was an insanr ST gain for minimal aoe loss, while changing other talents is just an st loss

[proven ocean]

Do u know how big of a st gain it was in sims

Real question

[buoyant stratus]

I dont trust assa sims

Ngl

But noidea

[proven ocean]

Like 1%

lol

[buoyant stratus]

It was more than 1% in game xd

2 shiv my beloves

Idk i kinda wish i could take regicides reward but then you drop dtb/scent/apex4/or dashing

[shell fossil]

outlaw is good but gearing it is legitimately hard unless it's mained

crit haste weapons and wut raid performance

just give em daggers xD

[proven ocean]

@buoyant stratus saying that theres no room for improvement is just false usually

[shell fossil]

maybe make slower weapons better in keys or something but dis is silly

[shadow trellis]

At the same time

[blissful idol]

@vivid vessel SR last boss can we hook to the surface if bird drops us?

[proven ocean]

Because thats why everybody hated me pulling off that build

Zeross this build cant do more aoe

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

Except it did more aoe in some pulls

And higher overalls

And higher st

[shell fossil]

slow mh with a cantrip out of raid or something

[buoyant stratus]

Yeah but theres a good logic with your talent movement, im not saying there isnt something possible to be found but i dont find a logical throughpoint

With current talents

[proven ocean]

No point arguing

[buoyant stratus]

Ye, i do have a bit of a cook in mind but i havent had time to put it into practice

I dont think its a good cook

But it shall be tried

[earnest sphinx]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[flat needle]

!prepull

!key

!pre

[queen rampart]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[native tinsel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[worldly shale]

should i fish skyreach after pit for voidcores for trink or its a waste, dont think im getting plume anytime soon

[west ridge]

this is so outdated

[random stirrup]

1fth

[rugged steeple]

Myth Heart of Wind or Hero Gaze of Alnseer from vault? I have hero Ranger captain and champion heart of wind currently

[smoky nova]

Isn't sim it the general answer around here

But I would take gaze

Much harder to get that

[worldly shale]

ye gaze is prob the way esprecially if u dont myth raid

[rugged steeple]

Alright thanks

[reef forge]

is this trinket good? bloodmallet has it higher than solarflare but whenever i sim its telling me to go solarflare

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-wave-emoji-cat-wave-cat-wave-gif-17826137474354671565

[gaunt phoenix]

bloodmallet sim is just someone else's profile

that someone has like full bis crit

i think the vestige is not bad ST, but certainly worse aoe than the prism

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/hongry-hungry-cat-nomnom-blep-gif-7266546517421649968

[reef forge]

sounds good, cheers

[proven ocean]

np

[reef forge]

aren't you retired?

lol

[proven ocean]

i am

[reef forge]

respectable

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25833762

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/151978619860680704/1488011409374842990/dance.gif

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384204112173989940/1488112180518719488/ezgif-1c087d445a4192f9.gif

[worldly shale]

when did u become normal why only ross

do something like

pizza time ross

or something

idk

[proven ocean]

I did have some pizza an hour ago actually

[worldly shale]

perfect

[pure folio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[proven ocean]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFKAkF3XkAAdJ4g.webp

[fervent garden]

https://tenor.com/view/hellmo-pizza-fire-creed-hellmo-pizza-fire-gif-26018511

[proven ocean]

Idk

Being normal is nice

Except i can never be normal again anyway because i play whenever im not doing my job

The gaming will still lingers inside of me

[reef forge]

did you ever get around to building your keyboard?

[proven ocean]

I did a few times ya

Bought each part seperately

Including the motherboard or whatever its called

But

Stopped doing that

[keen belfry]

@nova sinew dont say i never did anything for u

[proven ocean]

Waste of time

U didnt do anything for him buddy

Mad or

[reef forge]

true, i've got like £400 custom keyboard and wish i just got a wooting one instead

[keen belfry]

we give and we accept here

[proven ocean]

Not as bad as my 700£ keyboard i guess

[reef forge]

oof

[proven ocean]

But i have money so ye idc

Part of why i cant play wow anymore

Comes at a great cost

[reef forge]

every io is worth at least 1k

[random stirrup]

[nova sinew]

time to brick this shit fo sho

[waxen scarab]

is there an addon that tracks the last ability used like the wa?

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150116602499584086/1197824091328102440/cat_head.gif

Did u jump

I know u didnt

“But no ross i did not jump” ok

lol or?

[keen belfry]

ididnt know u played law cuh

[keen belfry]

arent i so giving?

[nova sinew]

i been repping the sword this season

[proven ocean]

I see

[random stirrup]

u were an early believer

u all still were cooked until they mega buffed with smoke bomb tho

[proven ocean]

Hi ross

[random stirrup]

no cap

[proven ocean]

Ryld*

[random stirrup]

hi ross

[proven ocean]

Wait it feels weird to say Ross personally

[random stirrup]

yes very humble

[proven ocean]

Gnawa

[nova sinew]

guild did not like the sword craft on alt

[random stirrup]

yes u guys are trollers!

[proven ocean]

yes u guys are trollers!

[keen belfry]

gnawa

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel hi zac

[random stirrup]

gnawa

[proven ocean]

gnawa

[copper radish]

Are u enjoying outlaw this season

[keen belfry]

thoughts?

new alt

[nova sinew]

ryldd can you hit a low roll on outlaw for me on lura

so my parse can lock in

[proven ocean]

Me no wow

[random stirrup]

wdym

[copper radish]

A lil fotm?

[random stirrup]

we not killing that shit this week at all

and we still private

[nova sinew]

👺 !

[proven ocean]

But i think

If i wowed

[ornate pilot]

Which addon are u using for the ilvl?

[proven ocean]

Again

I’ll outlaw

[keen belfry]

lil fotm

[copper radish]

Outlaws feeling good

[proven ocean]

U guys are wowing rn?

[copper radish]

Playing some tricks yeah

[proven ocean]

I 🌊

[random stirrup]

its looking good tho

think we gonna go up ranks

[proven ocean]

I seei

[random stirrup]

lot of disgusting OTers but

[proven ocean]

I see*

[nova sinew]

crazy...

[random stirrup]

not us

we are fighting back against the hordes

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-ai-cat-dancing-sassy-dance-tuxedo-cat-gif-12024810569899591128

[nova sinew]

i know of a guild that likes to raid until 4 am for last boss but

they lost ranks this tier i think

[random stirrup]

we not even done the tier yet bruh

wym

[proven ocean]

[random stirrup]

4 extra days

[nova sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/cops-police-sirens-catching-crminals-what-you-gonna-do-gif-22472645

[keen belfry]

thats 2 whole extra weeks for a guild like mine!

[random stirrup]

this is another 3 day guild btw

so ye another week

[proven ocean]

Not bad at all

[nova sinew]

check him wcl page

[keen belfry]

im 2 day nbd rylkdd

[proven ocean]

My last guild raided 3-4 days extra every week

[random stirrup]

criminals

[proven ocean]

WIDJEIEIJC WE WANT HOF

they still dont get hof

[keen belfry]

ryldd why dont u join stand unshaken? we are on paladins

[proven ocean]

Raiding with casuals is big 💀

[random stirrup]

YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO PALADINS?

you cannot

i will not

[keen belfry]

imagine being gm of casual ce guild

[proven ocean]

gnawa…

[random stirrup]

paladins worst boss ive ever played

[proven ocean]

Me want to d4 rn

[random stirrup]

except stix maybe

[proven ocean]

No cappy

D4 good

[nova sinew]

u play alleria yet?

[proven ocean]

Very good

[random stirrup]

alleria is my fav fight this tier so far

not joking!

[nova sinew]

beloren might be

the worst fight ive played in a long time

[random stirrup]

yes!

[proven ocean]

not joking!

[random stirrup]

except paladins way worse

well

[proven ocean]

well

[random stirrup]

not that much worse tbh

[proven ocean]

Dont well me rtldd

Wdym

??

[random stirrup]

well

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150116602499584086/1197824091328102440/cat_head.gif

[nova sinew]

last night ryldd i was just chasing orbs using the dance move speed talent

afk

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-springus-cat-jump-sphinx-gif-25754940

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[random stirrup]

ye i mean i did every soak remember

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOL

[random stirrup]

i dont hit the boss at all in p1

i lost to disc priests

[nova sinew]

bro the jump

[proven ocean]

The jump was legendary

[quaint mauve]

does outlaw go

the

the

the

[random stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-18865199

[nova sinew]

it do go

[quaint mauve]

skyreach trinket

[proven ocean]

the

[keen belfry]

i might make my cat take a bath this week, should i gif it?

[nova sinew]

gif that fella

[random stirrup]

i also got my plume

im not going back to beloren

you cannot make me

[quaint mauve]

the quick brown fox leaps over the lazy dog bro

keep that in mind

[proven ocean]

Yoyo

I have a car racing next to my name

Sheeesh or?

[quaint mauve]

how come cloud cover is a sub role in this server

when

outlaw gets it too

[random stirrup]

solololo slacking

[proven ocean]

Says the guy with sub name color

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont have the power to do that

[proven ocean]

Wait

[random stirrup]

solololo nerfed

[keen belfry]

didnt u die to timewalking mobs?

[proven ocean]

Solo should be orange

No?

[random stirrup]

held back

[proven ocean]

Like

No cappy or

[quaint mauve]

you guys quite literally were trolling

[keen belfry]

have i ever trolled?

[gaunt phoenix]

then i would have to click on other channels

[proven ocean]

Ye why not

More cat gifs

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1354293505693843578/fall.gif

[proven ocean]

Gnawa..on his mage..

[quaint mauve]

nah but this is ok

bc

[nova sinew]

he hit alter right?

[quaint mauve]

i used to vengeful retreat into that hole

every time

[keen belfry]

bad procs

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dough-kneading-gif-2206063027120674946

[keen belfry]

coldnt

[random stirrup]

step on gallywix 💀

[quaint mauve]

bro ross i can’t stand this

change ur pfp back

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1495528892440772649/Medal_JBaxSTaGoH.gif

[proven ocean]

what pfp

[quaint mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271512439665459272/1273501264118022207/togif-2-1.gif

[river wing]

smh

[proven ocean]

Dead cat pics not allowed..

[river wing]

how this passed testing idk

[quaint mauve]

he’s not dead

he’s under

anesthetic

[proven ocean]

What’s anesthesia

Anesthesiologist?

Ancestral

[earnest sphinx]

The dude with the good stuff

[proven ocean]

[nova sinew]

wang your warrior friend left and he invited aug and rdruid this cant go well

[keen belfry]

aug and outlaw

[nova sinew]

im like a ddh in diguise

[proven ocean]

gnaw..

[pliant wave]

Oh, looks like Zeross is back to causing chaos in the Outlaw channel like always.

[proven ocean]

Oh, looks like esorlini is back to causing chaos in the Outlaw channel like always.

[proven ocean]

Who is zeross anyway

[supple carbon]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-springus-cat-jump-sphinx-gif-25754940

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[proven ocean]

@radiant wyvern found ur cat

[gaunt phoenix]

you ever spooked your cat

like bad

and they leap 300 yards

[proven ocean]

Never

[gaunt phoenix]

they got the jumps

[proven ocean]

I’ve seen cats freak out from little things tho

[formal knot]

🥒

cat scaring tool

[keen belfry]

ive never had a cat that ive walked on more than my current one

bro just walks under my feet

[gaunt phoenix]

he likes it

[formal knot]

hello it's me your cat

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

look at this group posting im in

i didnt post this i promise

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

the goat awangus !

[keen belfry]

my guildies ask any random rogue if they have wangbar and if they dont they kick the rogue

bad karma coming to my guild..

[proven ocean]

Top 10 competitive cringe m+ groups!

[keen belfry]

i list my keys as learning

and ppl take it literally its fun

[gaunt phoenix]

did i do good?

[proven ocean]

Na groups

[gaunt phoenix]

first time

[keen belfry]

500 io 240 ilvl bear druid signing up

i kinda wanna bring them in

[pliant wave]

Are the new M+ competition options actually being used much over there? On KR they’re basically useless.

[keen belfry]

i bet in casual keys, yes

[vivid vessel]

dont think anyone cares about it no

[proven ocean]

Nope

No one cares

[vivid vessel]

ross you aint even level 90

stfu

[gaunt phoenix]

ross

[proven ocean]

Zac u aint even lvl 100

[gaunt phoenix]

you should play

[proven ocean]

stfu

[vivid vessel]

that is true

[proven ocean]

Idk

[random stirrup]

if it doesnt say relaxed its bricked

real tech

[proven ocean]

[copper radish]

Outlaw the most fun it’s been in a minute 👀

[random stirrup]

idk about allat but it is strong

[vivid vessel]

most cooked opinion i have read all expac

[radiant wyvern]

bingus alert

[vivid vessel]

habvent found many people that actually think this iteration is better than others lol

[proven ocean]

Ur cat is low key ugly elerk

[vivid vessel]

pretty much the worse iteration

[proven ocean]

But i respect it

[copper radish]

Bro shhh tryna get him back on outlaw lmao

[vivid vessel]

knew you were capping

[copper radish]

It does do dmg tho not gonna lie

[vivid vessel]

it does

but i mean

[radiant wyvern]

they're ugly creatures but they're very cute as kittens

[vivid vessel]

its not the strongest its been either

[proven ocean]

Nope

[vivid vessel]

we were way stronger in s2 tww

or s3 df

[proven ocean]

They arent

[vivid vessel]

and no one batted an eye

[copper radish]

If only we had 55% flurry right now

[proven ocean]

S3 DF was a real banger

Only real outlaws beat spriest+mages

And we destroyed them

Completely

[radiant wyvern]

i think playing trickster on this version is actual ass

[proven ocean]

Unless skill issue then unlucky

[vivid vessel]

it is

mega ass

[copper radish]

I wouldn’t mind old KS back with the trade off of dying in shit in keys 😂

[vivid vessel]

but also its not even trickster doing it lo

its just outlaw

and then fatebound magically fixes it

[proven ocean]

I love ass tho does it mean its mega good?

[vivid vessel]

[pliant wave]

Does Blizz just have no plans to fix KS not fully hitting prio target?

[radiant wyvern]

delete ks

[vivid vessel]

:D

[copper radish]

Blizz just doing blizz things. Probably never lol

[gaunt phoenix]

no, the outlaw budget has been exhausted

[copper radish]

No reworks till TLT

[dim parrot]

Had an arms do 39k dps on vexamus in an 18 yesterday

Their ST isn’t that bad without funnel is it

[shadow trellis]

Can i make the sim not combine the upgrades?

[pliant wave]

I’m convinced the Outlaw dev guide is just:

1. Never remove target cap.
2. If ST buff, nerf BF no matter what.

[grim spear]

token budget? There's only that much budget to feed the AI to generate the Outlaw changes

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, but it's awkward

add ### Weekly Reward Choices to your simc

then paste the item string

and it will be treated with exclusivity like the vault

[shadow trellis]

I see

thank you!

[gaunt phoenix]

you can also shift+click the icon to copy its string

[pliant wave]

@gaunt phoenix Does SimC model the BF + Fazed interaction correctly?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[nimble sage]

Outlaw has a lot of buttons considering the big purge in midnight, no? A bit overwhelmed coming from assassination

[cinder relic]

You know they buffed the st of the spec just in this patch right

No aoe Nerf to go with it

[copper radish]

Damn just jinxed us. See you at Friday’s tuning notes 😭

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah, we got purged back to dragonflight S1 instead of Wod

[stuck sparrow]

s1 df without dreadblades

[sullen glen]

guys we dont dispatch on 5 right ? how we optimize to get the +1

pistol shot or sinister strike

and it applies BTE too or ?

[tepid geode]

do we even press shiv?

[gaunt phoenix]

no, just dispells enrage

[gaunt phoenix]

you SS if you are at 0-3 opp, you PS if at 6 opp

[pliant wave]

but i have also seen them do the opposite before give Outlaw a tiny ST buff and still slap it with a BF nerf at the same time

[radiant wyvern]