outlaw

[violet ferry]

Good morning pirates cowboys fartcloud gamers

[trim vigil]

Good night

[pastel oxide]

crit vers or crit mast weapon from m+? There are no crit haste and i dont raid

[trim vigil]

Which one has more crit ?

[pastel oxide]

both same

[trim vigil]

[pastel oxide]

wait crit mast more

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/crafting-a-sword-steve-a-minecraft-movie-forging-a-weapon-jack-black-gif-17987601635292043675

[pastel oxide]

im planning on using rerolls for weapon

or is puzzle box better to go for?

[violet ferry]

Don’t want to craft a crit haste weapon?

[pastel oxide]

ilvl over stats

[violet ferry]

Crit vers then

[coarse mesa]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[real yew]

Do we hold AR if BtE is coming back in like, 15 sec? Or we never hold AR?

I know we hold BtE if AR is coming back in 30 sec, tho.

[glass mortar]

u never hold AR for other abilities

u hold it for situations

but rotationally no, you do not hold AR for anything other then AR already being active or you having 3+ CP when it comes off cd

[real yew]

Thanks!!

[granite quarry]

is it possible to grapple across the bridge in skyreach?

[craggy barn]

ye

[thorny zinc]

https://youtu.be/F-PAsIkWiHg?t=1096

u can do it without jumping as well just aim a little higher

[elfin grotto]

@sturdy ore worked perfectly so far, only haven't found an alert sound that I don't want to kms after hearing a few times 😄

[granite quarry]

aaaah okok, been trying to hit that shit and i cant get it right lmfao

[elfin grotto]

wait for tornado and mid jump graple on top of stairs

[sturdy ore]

You can try and change the master channel for it to not be at a ear-drum impaling sound, i'll try to search more soothing sounds

Also, new update up

thank you so much for trying it!

[ornate kernel]

Hi guyss, i want to ask something bc the page of sims doesnt open today idk why, in wich dung u think is better use the rolls? Skyreach for the trink or pit for neck?
https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Roguerpch?utm_source=addon here is my items

[elfin grotto]

do you have all other items from pit? If no, Pit for sure every item on myth there is good unless you already have myth on that slot.

[ornate kernel]

all on hero and ring on myth, i dont have only the neck

[elfin grotto]

I'd go pit still

since it gives myth from roll

so any item from there would be an upgrade.

except the ring

[river wing]

cloak is good but not the best

buuut yeah, pit is worth until you have neck/ring at the very least IMO

[craggy barn]

hmm

think its worth dumping vault to reroll seat for helm? lol

[nova sinew]

pit bonus rolls today

[craggy barn]

rip

i too got pants in my bonus roll

[frank hamlet]

Today I had that bug that suddenly my rtb buff disappears

[vivid vessel]

i think it happens more often after patch

im kinda certain even

[opal raven]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[frank hamlet]

It's comes back after few seconds 5 aprox

[random stirrup]

if i bonus roll dragons I get myth crest achieve this week

but 50% chance to miss and be depressed

[plush grove]

bonus rolls for today

[vivid vessel]

interesting

i think i get mythc achieve anyway

also ryldd

[random stirrup]

ye i had to take plume

[vivid vessel]

you prolly dont need 285

[random stirrup]

i would have guaranteed if i took my item

[vivid vessel]

284.75 might be enough

[random stirrup]

u think it rounds or what

[vivid vessel]

it was like that in tww

ye

in tww it did

[craggy barn]

i finally saw the rtb bug happen the other dya

[vivid vessel]

the rounding was weird

i think you get it the moment the blizzard ilvl display thing

that only show non decimal number

[random stirrup]

nah but look this

i am cooked no?

[vivid vessel]

swaps

nah this gets it surely

[random stirrup]

i still didnt get my refund

ticket been open for 4 days now

wat dat mean

[vivid vessel]

you didnt get refunded?

did you even roll when it was bugged

[random stirrup]

yes

[vivid vessel]

also you dont deserve a refund lil bro

[random stirrup]

but i race changed

after doing it

[vivid vessel]

race change

[twilit axle]

Gg it's cooked

[vivid vessel]

breaking the entire game

[craggy barn]

zac how dumb u think itd be to reroll seat for helm

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

hence the ticket

[vivid vessel]

its low chance so idk

i think i would roll the other dungeon

crit vers helm

[craggy barn]

which one is that

[vivid vessel]

cacvern

5 loot

[craggy barn]

i think my haste is too volatile right now to drop another one

i have caverns helm in vault

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[craggy barn]

vault kinda stinky rn

[vivid vessel]

its pretty much bis

[random stirrup]

they hadnt announced the refund yet

i didnt thnk they would do it

[craggy barn]

shrug im either rerolling seat or taking something here

[craggy barn]

i cant take socket

[craggy barn]

nothing to put it on

[vivid vessel]

ring is good also

[craggy barn]

yea but i cant even wear it

its bad rn with my gear

[vivid vessel]

i see

i managed to get it

myself

with haste flask its fine

in raid i have enough haste to play crit haste even

[craggy barn]

with haste flask its .5

if i upgrade it

[vivid vessel]

it looks cool tho

having big ilvl

i like it

[twilit axle]

I think I am unironically looking at Seat to snag mythic tier slots to cata

[vivid vessel]

socket was more dps zomb

[craggy barn]

i have nothing to put socket on tho

[vivid vessel]

but tacking ring i get closer to achiev so

its kinda goated !

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

ring and neck are myth

jus thavnt upgraded

shoulders are also myth

[twilit axle]

This is where I have landed before raid.

[craggy barn]

maybe i take ring just so i dont have to think about it later

and send crests on shoulders

or neck

or some weird combo

sims are telling me to not even bother yoinking from vault

and send my crests half neck half shoulders

[vivid vessel]

yee but

ilvl ..

[craggy barn]

yea

[vivid vessel]

for the achiev

[random stirrup]

i need both pieces from dragons zac

its over

[craggy barn]

im only 281, idk if i even get achieve this week

[random stirrup]

i will not get it..

[vivid vessel]

tf deos dragon even give

[craggy barn]

im being sat for reclear

[random stirrup]

dogshit but its 279

i need the crest save

[vivid vessel]

i see

what ilvl are you pre reset ryldd

[random stirrup]

283.6 in bag

[craggy barn]

im being sat for reclear to trial people while also being one of the top 3 dps in the raid group LOL

[vivid vessel]

im 283.75 and i think with a little luck i can get it but idk

[random stirrup]

i took thing out of vault that gives me 0 crest

[cinder relic]

I maybe get the achvieemnt in 3 weeks

[random stirrup]

unlucky bis plume

[craggy barn]

what ilvl are u guy

were u fucked bc of bench?

[vivid vessel]

if i get plume

mythic

[cinder relic]

281

[vivid vessel]

i win

[craggy barn]

ah same as me

[vivid vessel]

im 285 ilvl

or alleria trinket

[random stirrup]

i already had mythic gaze and guidon full upgrade

so it was not crest gain

[vivid vessel]

i also win

i got crest gain from vault every week i think

but

i didnt get much gear from raid

[random stirrup]

i took key vault like every week to missing

but i get 6 myth pieces from raid

[craggy barn]

idk zac, fetid vile crown, vor ring, or imperator's cloak with leech

[cinder relic]

Ive taken 2 sockets and gotten 0 crest saves from a single item this entire tier

[craggy barn]

oof

[cinder relic]

I've saved 0 crests from any item

[craggy barn]

at least ur done with raid prog

[vivid vessel]

your vaults are masivelly skill issued tho

[craggy barn]

wait guy did u even fart your vault?

or natty opened it

[cinder relic]

what

[craggy barn]

pre fart ur vault

with ar

ritual

[cinder relic]

I did not no

[craggy barn]

rip

[past stump]

https://x.com/bigmoranx/status/2049261196591915218?s=46

Bigmoran (@Bigmoranx)

Current specs that need big nerfs:
-Devourer DH
-Outlaw Rogue

Needs medium nerfs:
-Frost Mage
-Beast Mastery Hunter

Needs mild nerfs:
-Dev Evoker

Needs big buffs:
-Resto Shaman

Needs smaller buffs:
-Unholy DK
-Balance Druid

Needs complete reworks:
-Arcane Mage
…

X · Apr 28, 2026, 10:55 PM

“Need big nerf”

Can’t have shit for half a patch or what

[vivid vessel]

this is pvp no ?

[copper radish]

It’s Bigmoran he just be talking PvP lol

[vivid vessel]

this has nothing to do with pve

[cinder relic]

Hes a pvper

[past stump]

mb idk him

[vivid vessel]

i mean its pretty obvious bro

no one would ever type this

[past stump]

It’s Twitter

Nothing is ever obvious

[near rock]

8/10 ragebait well done

[vivid vessel]

neither this

[cinder relic]

I mean

No flame

But ur the dumb one here

[vivid vessel]

nor this

whole list this is the only thing that make sense bro

[copper radish]

Bigmoran been flaming classes lately 😂

[dense forge]

uncle said tuning soon

dont worry

[random stirrup]

he kinda cooking for pvp a lil bit tho

big nerf to frost mage

fk wizards

all mage actually

fire too

[vivid vessel]

outlaw buffs i heard

[dense forge]

he didnt say sth about that

to be fair

actually wait

depends on how you see things

if you count devourer dh nerfs as outlaw buffs

then yes

it will be buffedf

[vivid vessel]

well

there is no way outlaw get nerfed

[copper radish]

That would be sick

[vivid vessel]

its not even the best dps spec in phys comp

there is like

[copper radish]

KS buffs??

[vivid vessel]

arms devoureur aug udk

[craggy barn]

at this point wouldnt u put surv over law?

or do u need rogue for skips for sure

[vivid vessel]

skips xdd

[craggy barn]

and dr

[vivid vessel]

ye surv prolly better aswell

its just

so many specs are better than law so like

no way it gets nerfed

and it doesnt even look crazy in raid either

its just a top st spec on full uptime encoutners

which it should be tbf

only thing we can do

[glass mortar]

zac

[vivid vessel]

ranwe

[glass mortar]

u r right

but i wasnt

no gaze in my box

[merry lintel]

does the crit and haste percent take into account consumables or should try to reach without

[gaunt phoenix]

with consumables

[random stirrup]

why did we wipe at 4mins and kir still off cd

[novel tartan]

!Macro

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[rotund cloud]

anyone else using arcui? i feel like my cps don't pop up as fast as they should

[inner meadow]

bro said unholy dk buff 💀

[vivid vessel]

ye cause its pvp

[inner meadow]

ooo

ok

mb don't know anything bout that

[potent walrus]

isnt this helm bis for outlaw

[shadow trellis]

It is

[vivid vessel]

ye basically

plume is also bis tho

have to think if you will ever get it in mythic or not

[craggy barn]

man sims dont want me to take ring but cape

not having crests is fucked

[vivid vessel]

you have a haste vers cloak lil bro

[craggy barn]

it wants me to take imperator cape

[vivid vessel]

• the icon is ugly

[craggy barn]

i should probably sim with infinite crests i guess

ok with infinite crests id take helm

[random stirrup]

lowkey

had use 13 use 14 on all my buttons

and swapped my plume prepull twice

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly!

[nova sinew]

xdd

[vivid vessel]

someone check him pc !

[stuck patrol]

When should we use racial abilities, like blood fury? Just hold till AR is up?

[stable nest]

im cursing you with stage 1 for the rest of the night

[nova sinew]

220/147 🫃

[nova sinew]

WTF

[stable nest]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-crowley-david-tennant-good-omens-psychic-gif-3436909361193405344

[worldly shale]

no loaded dice for u

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper radish]

What’s the program called 👀

[stuck patrol]

.

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel you need full ilvl

gg

[vivid vessel]

.69 aint .75

also relog

you neverk now

[random stirrup]

ye i do bad math

i cant go higher than this

no loot drop on dragons

gg

i save bonus roll

[livid smelt]

Is the Hook trinket actually good for m+ for does it just sim high cause it assumes your godly and always throw it through every mob?

[haughty moat]

you answered your own question tbh

[livid smelt]

I meant or does it assume this*

[haughty moat]

its just not good

dunno about sims

[random stirrup]

didnt work

[stuck patrol]

I give up lmao

[livid smelt]

hmmm one cast on a hero one does 250k on 5 targets its not terrible..

[indigo token]

guys

you'll never guess what happened again

[glass mortar]

just macro it to AR

[vivid vessel]

i just did

[glass mortar]

what else r u gunna do with it

[vivid vessel]

you failed another trial

[indigo token]

i got kicked from the group, discord, guild

because

[stuck patrol]

Aight bet

[indigo token]

i said "stop moving around with the auction mount, I'm tryna buy shit"

[vivid vessel]

biweekly guild kick

[indigo token]

like

[stuck patrol]

LMAO

[vivid vessel]

i just tune in for the story every week now

[cinder relic]

That just cant be what happened

[indigo token]

im dead serious

[vivid vessel]

yeye

for sure

10th guild you get kicked from

for a stupid reason

i just believe you are not a real human

maybe like

an ai experiment

[vivid vessel]

sent by elon musk

[indigo token]

for reference, I dont chat in their discord

last thing I sent, was that image of that 53 minute seat

[vivid vessel]

creature from hell

donal trump minion

[livid smelt]

hes like a real life copy pasta

[vivid vessel]

put on this earth

to traumatise guilds

[livid smelt]

but real talk is the hook worth taking if i got it myth in vault?

assuming il never myth raid

[vivid vessel]

no clue what this is even

[livid smelt]

Lathcs crooked hook # 3 trinket on bloodmallet for 3 target

for 5 targets*

[silk dirge]

Just topgear sim it buddy

[pastel sierra]

Just take it it's not that serious

Worst case u got a trinket slot upgraded to myth

[haughty moat]

farm it on hc and try it

[pastel sierra]

Roll some bonus rolls into better trinkets if u dont like it

[haughty moat]

maybe he has something better in his vault

[pastel sierra]

Flip a coin then idk

[haughty moat]

what?

[livid smelt]

My vault is kinda bad its that or a reroll

[haughty moat]

ah u see

[livid smelt]

my trinkets are not bad though i have alnseer trinket on heroic and trueshot on heroic and solarflare on heroic

[haughty moat]

gaze + prism is ultra good

[livid smelt]

that is what ive been doing recently

[haughty moat]

hook wont be an upgrade

[livid smelt]

I mostly do m+ though so hook is apparently good in large groups?

[haughty moat]

nah i doubt that

[livid smelt]

i have a heroic hook maybe il run a dungeon see how it does by the end

[haughty moat]

YES

[livid smelt]

hero hook*

[haughty moat]

try it

thats what i said in the beginning^^

[nova sinew]

any outlaw tips on crown

this is awful

[haughty moat]

pew pew snd in intermission if u have something cd^^

[random stirrup]

i genuinely got so many myth pieces

my healers have achieve and i dont

why tf do rogue and dh just have -80 crest

compared to every other class

[vivid vessel]

:D

its even worse if you multi spec

so you need outlaw and sub weapon

then you actually do have -80 crest

not just -80 fake crest

[random stirrup]

ye that is why i dont have achieve

[vivid vessel]

ye

[random stirrup]

er well

sorta

i am annihilating lura though

my boss damage insane

[vivid vessel]

ye

its pretty good

[random stirrup]

outlaw topping low %wipe

[vivid vessel]

it tops longer pulls aswell

i have some demons pulls

[random stirrup]

i will not show sim

spec will get nerfed

[vivid vessel]

i mean bro

its the only thing outlaw does tho

if we cant be good at boss damage on a boss that we have 100% uptime on

[desert tendon]

is cheveubleu cute?

sorry

[vivid vessel]

what are we even doing

[random stirrup]

oh ye

[desert tendon]

had to

[random stirrup]

for sure

[vivid vessel]

and like

ryldd

check any other boss

that we should be topping

we arent

like voracius

or saladar

so like idk

also keep in mind you havent seen lust yet

[nova sinew]

im a brainlet

idk why i didnt do this

[vivid vessel]

i mean you get like 2 finishers off

its not crazy

[rotund cloud]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[gritty heron]

where we spending our cores bois?

[indigo token]

hopefully the next guild that accepts me

doesnt kick me

i swear im not repulsive

[haughty moat]

thats kinda 28secs less cd with stage 3

[vivid vessel]

i mena 2 finisher is 2 finisher

its not insane

[haughty moat]

ye but it can help

[vivid vessel]

a bit

i doubt it makes an actual meaningfull difference tho tbh

[haughty moat]

if u fucked up ur adr it will help alot^^

i mean i believe, were still stuck on palas

[gritty heron]

is there a guide that lets us know where to spend our neb cores?

Thinking spam on pit?

[pastel sierra]

Weapon > good trinkets(chim&belo) > m+ dungeon with the best chance to roll upgrades for your char

[gritty heron]

How do you spend them on a weapon?

[haughty moat]

ya chimney trinket is kinda free for everyone one

[pastel sierra]

You roll on a boss or dungeon that drops one

[gritty heron]

oh okay thanks!

so pit would be a great thing to dump them in for the dagger yeah?

[haughty moat]

do you you raid myth?

[gritty heron]

we're on myth now yeah

[pastel sierra]

If u get saladbar down you should have an okay chance to get the weapon if it drops

[haughty moat]

what does that mean?

[gritty heron]

wym

[runic gulch]

Yeah, neck and wrists are bis from there too so it’s kinda a safe bet either way

Ring is good too

[haughty moat]

ye 2nd boss gives dagger, 3rd maihnhand for outlaw

[gritty heron]

sweet tysm gentsd

[random stirrup]

they are now asking what ilvl my dk is

[elfin obsidian]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[vivid vessel]

what ?

why would you replace the rogue

you are topping boss damage

[random stirrup]

buff useless

also just temp

[vivid vessel]

seems stupid

[random stirrup]

our dks cannot find grip button

[vivid vessel]

tell them to do bumps

[random stirrup]

at times

[haughty moat]

rip bro

[vivid vessel]

tell them to bumps adds

like liquid did

dont be noobs

[pastel sierra]

Have the DKs reroll

[haughty moat]

thats the good thing to be in a bad guild, they will never force me to play something else^^

[elfin obsidian]

hey guys "As Trickster, use KS to activate :talent_disorientingstrikes: Disorienting Strikes." so we do that before keys put in? or during bubble?

[gaunt phoenix]

before

[elfin obsidian]

and generally if i have ks up, it should be used right before adr?

[gaunt phoenix]

no, ,ks is just a finisher that has priority over dispatch

if you were going to dispatch then you just ks instead

[elfin obsidian]

Disorienting Strikes. so that is not mandatory to gain for adr and smoke screen?

[gaunt phoenix]

Disorienting Strikes is the 2 unseen blades that ks generates

its not related to AR or smoke

[elfin obsidian]

yy, but dont we want 3 stacks of unseen blade during ar?

[haughty moat]

why dont ks before adr, while tank is pulling?

[elfin obsidian]

or do we get them anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

there is no diff between them inside or outside AR

it is better to not lose CDR on KS

unseen blade is just damage that leads into coup de grace

which is indirectly just CDR

[potent walrus]

i thought i wanted the blue one for outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

its the same item

[vivid vessel]

its the smae

you click on it

[gaunt phoenix]

the item swaps between them

[vivid vessel]

changes the stat

[potent walrus]

oh wtf

[elfin obsidian]

so last question: do we still cancel ks if at full energy?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[elfin obsidian]

ait ty alot ❤️

[mental lantern]

if i cant raid higher than heroic on my rogue whats good dungeons to send voidcores into?

i have 5

and am sitting mostly heroic and champ with heroic gaze already

[gaunt phoenix]

PIT

cap

[mental lantern]

ok ill send them into pit

[keen violet]

Pit is op for rolls

[mental lantern]

about to do a seat is that any good or just save all 5 for pit

runs

nvm just looked at pit lootpool ye ill probably just save for that

[hallow spoke]

boys, which addons control buffs/debuffs (default top right) visibility

[arctic dagger]

Can anyone look over my outlaw logs? I feel like I'm missing something important and I'm not able to get remotely close to my sim DPS. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/108631562

[random stirrup]

schmoloolo

if i have jackpot or triple

11s left

LD 11s for exaple

but ar come up

do i roll then ar to ldmaxx or is it just sit it and press ar

11s just a random number

keeps happening on lura

[potent walrus]

should i pay 200k for a radiant plume

worth?

[gaunt phoenix]

there's no way to know

[potent walrus]

heroic

[vivid vessel]

11 i adr

max vibes

legit can fit so many fnishers in 11 seconds

with adr bte

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesn't enough to influence sim so you make up what feels right

[vivid vessel]

press correct button or noob

[vivid vessel]

i would

depends how much you value your gold lol

[potent walrus]

i got plenty ig

[vivid vessel]

i would pay 1 mil for a hc plume i think

[potent walrus]

what would u replace

that trinket with

besides a mythic one

[vivid vessel]

a mythic one

but i mean im getting it in mythic in my vault

in like

1h30

i will ping you

[random stirrup]

i rolled twice with triple in that scenario

jackpot both times

just roll?

[vivid vessel]

the gamblers always get rewarded

[potent walrus]

hmmm, so i wouldnt replace heroic plume with anything other than mythic plume

maybe i buy it off this guy then

[vivid vessel]

ye

pretty much

[potent walrus]

so plume and gaze bis trinkets for outlaw u think?

or solar flarte

[vivid vessel]

alleria trinket is also pretty good

if you can get that

[potent walrus]

this is wat im working with atm

[vivid vessel]

use raidbot

[potent walrus]

swapping from sin to outlaw i think

[haughty moat]

its gaze and prism, no need to sim it^^

[random stirrup]

this boss is legit so boring

how is crown the most fun fight of the tier

[cinder relic]

Wtf

Take that back

[potent walrus]

wat the helly!?! not plume !

[vivid vessel]

lura is cool wdym

[cinder relic]

thats what Im sayin

ITs such an awesome boss

[vivid vessel]

im having fun

i get to keep perma uptime

dodge glaives

and do some mechanics

that dont require me to run away from boss and afk?

[haughty moat]

of your shown trinkets ofc, u dont have it^^

[vivid vessel]

hell yea bro

sign me up

[potent walrus]

oh, but plume over prism?

cuz im bouta buy that shit

off this guy

[haughty moat]

ye

[trim harbor]

i hate aa

[random stirrup]

i dont do anything

and i have no agency to help the raid at all

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[random stirrup]

i liek patchwerk when its an easy boss

[vivid vessel]

thats cause only seed people wipe the raid

[random stirrup]

we just chain wipe to mechanics i cant do anything with

[vivid vessel]

but you can just be a solid guy that never dies, never fails anything and never get hit by anything and that top dps

then you are the goat of the people that are useless

which is 3/4 of the raid

!

pretty good no !

[random stirrup]

back to intermission and im widerawwy slamming the guy

[vivid vessel]

huge !

big damage !

thats why we play wow !

[gaunt phoenix]

[random stirrup]

i can full mute my raid and hit a target dummy tho

[fathom bramble]

crazy that people with a seed are just playing a completely different fight

[vivid vessel]

i could do that for hours

[gaunt phoenix]

sounds familiar

[hallow spoke]

btw. during BTE resets if we hit 6 opportunity we send a pistol even at 5 combo points?

[glass mortar]

yes

[hallow spoke]

cool ty

[indigo token]

well

[haughty moat]

are u playing a crysstal?

[indigo token]

i got into a low/mid mythic team

heres to hoping it goes well

[fathom bramble]

yes

[random stirrup]

maybe pre midnight

[fathom bramble]

I pickup first crystal and hold it literally the entire fight

[vivid vessel]

i should have asked my raid leader to do one but idk

[random stirrup]

??

[haughty moat]

rip bro

[random stirrup]

i wish i was

[vivid vessel]

he thinks melees shouldnt do seeds

[random stirrup]

we hard ban melee from seeds

[vivid vessel]

i think half the ranged that do them are disabled

and i have perma sprint

so

[fathom bramble]

seeds should be on better players no matter who they are

maybe not on healers

[random stirrup]

another intermission

121k boss dps this time

brazy

[haughty moat]

dont bring up stupid ideas^^

[fathom bramble]

yeah I mean it's the only way to have a realistic influence on the direction of prog

I didn't ask for it, but y'know

seeds go on good players

[haughty moat]

thank god iam a bad player

[vivid vessel]

in our raid they went to ranged that played the good seed classes

dh

and shit

[fathom bramble]

that's good too

[vivid vessel]

which i dont totally disagree with

[fathom bramble]

if you actually have a few of them\

and they are decent

[vivid vessel]

but i feel like i would have done a better job

im actually an expert seed carrier

did halondrus

i have my credentials

[cinder relic]

Outlaw soontm

[fathom bramble]

big avoid

[vivid vessel]

wrong trinket gg !

guy keeps on losing

[indigo token]

FARTLAW!!!!!!!!

[haughty moat]

as outlaw?

[cinder relic]

Im still sat on beloren

[fathom bramble]

my guild voted on who the worst halondrus group would be and a ton of them said the rogues since it was the only melee group

[vivid vessel]

was sub on halondrus but ye

[fathom bramble]

it was not the rogues at all

[vivid vessel]

i mean

for us we also were the best seed carriers

[cinder relic]

Beloren is so free for us atp but we werent sure so I was sat on beloren still

[vivid vessel]

also i think we had the hardest job

[cinder relic]

I mean its like the same as feather

[vivid vessel]

taking the seed in p2 means you have less training

from p1

[cinder relic]

and I got this ready too

[vivid vessel]

huge one actually

[haughty moat]

nice

[cinder relic]

and wtch this bonus roll on lura

We gonna hit the ring

[hallow spoke]

does the leech stay if u cata it?

[cinder relic]

Yes but I'm not going to

[haughty moat]

wait u just got CE?

[cinder relic]

Sunday

But yes

[haughty moat]

ahhh GG

[vivid vessel]

he didnt get it as outlaw tho

so it doesnt count

invalid

[cinder relic]

Got it as honest subrogue

My true main

[vivid vessel]

[haughty moat]

oh then not gg xD

[glass mortar]

un ggd

[haughty moat]

fr

[outer meteor]

kinda good single target or?

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[keen belfry]

u play with zimbita..........

[outer meteor]

its ok

we brickewd

cuz tank

is pig

!

[strange hill]

Me and my rogue buddy on Halondrus had a blast with that.

[fair sparrow]

HOLY

i just had a CRAZY pull

i rolled 2 SIX TIMES

THEN ONES

[carmine mountain]

@sturdy ore Good job on your flow whenever you read this 🙂 cheers.

[zenith root]

What is the best main hand I can get besides Arator's or a craft?

[gentle lotus]

newbie here quick qn on vault...i got a barbed ymierhem choker(Mythic) which is my BIS, and a gaze of the alsneer (Heroic). when i sim it, both are almost similar. Should i go for necklace instead of gaze?

[tawdry summit]

is there a way to turn down the denisty of the fart cloud whenever we AR

[wide coral]

maybe nexus point

[zenith root]

Dreadflail?

[wide coral]

uhh, slasher

[zenith root]

I saw someone say particle density

[wide coral]

magisters terrace**

sorry

[zenith root]

Ahh

That doesnt look bad

[wide coral]

my sims

[zenith root]

Oh shit, basically the same. Thank you

[wide coral]

yup

sidegrade

[novel tartan]

Alright I switched everything over to outlaw and bricked my character, I don’t know how to do sh*t for damage

Give me hekili 😂

[wide coral]

just practice, most of it is muscle memory tbh

track whats important in a confortable manner

[novel tartan]

I sort of copied casualaddict’s ui since I watch him play, but idk what he’s using to track the buffs. Since u can’t put the dps pot on the blizz buff manager

I don’t know what’s important to track yet

[zenith root]

Bettercooldownmanager

[novel tartan]

I haven’t explored too many guides either I had to go to work. I just optimized as best I could and got to like 174k dungeon slice

Ok ty

[zenith root]

And Unhalted frames

[wooden pilot]

@keen belfry you got a group this season or puggin

[keen belfry]

mostly pugging, but pugging at high keys is running with same 10ish people

[wooden pilot]

ye true and feels easier this season

[summer nimbus]

having a group is broken

unfair really!

[wicked kestrel]

What buffs do we actually need to track besides opportunity and rtb and loaded dice?

[golden yarrow]

@keen belfry would it ever be possible to get spec specific settings for the talent point coloration?

not sure if that's a heavy lift or not

[cinder relic]

@zac

@vivid vessel

do u think double socket neck is the move

Its mastery heavy with haste

but 2 sockets

I know its bad stats but

more stat total is lit

[vivid vessel]

no way

mastery = no stats

[fathom bramble]

might be fine for keys where mastery is less shit

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[fathom bramble]

raid is probably a no

[vivid vessel]

bro there is no way that neck is worht anything guy

im sorry for your vault

once again

[cinder relic]

Its like

Not that bad honestly

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

4/6 nexus neck

I mean it could be worse

[fathom bramble]

how much mastery does it actually have at 6/6

[elfin obsidian]

do i want ring > myth track shoulders? or a bonus roll as i dont have myth track weap yet

[cinder relic]

This is at 4/6

I mean this neck is fine to take tbh

Just want to double check before I take

[fathom bramble]

oh that neck

is not the one I was thinking of

for some reason

or I thought it had less mastery ? idk

[vivid vessel]

ye unfortunatly i only have that in vault cause i didnt reclear this week

[fathom bramble]

that neck is certainly junk in raid and maybe okay in keys

[vivid vessel]

276 ilvl is pretty useless tho idk

might be socket angle

or more rolls

[haughty moat]

no plume ripge

[vivid vessel]

gege

[cinder relic]

This ring is about to save my tier

[vivid vessel]

if you get it ye

its kinda banging

[fathom bramble]

imagine trying to replace that next tier

[cinder relic]

Double socket AND solo haste

[fathom bramble]

and needing to get several items lined up just to take off the 300 haste item

[blissful gate]

another week of the wrong trinket on myth track…

[vivid vessel]

@random stirrup shit bro

might be close !

[random stirrup]

its joever

[vivid vessel]

idk cuh

idk

maybe its rounded up

like it was in tww

[random stirrup]

it is not

[vivid vessel]

you dont know

[random stirrup]

ye i do

half my guild got it

[vivid vessel]

no you dont

[random stirrup]

exactly at 285

also i know wowprogress doesnt update

[vivid vessel]

they dont see decimals on their character sheet

[random stirrup]

why am i highest ilvl rogue in na

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

and i dont even have achieve

and then there are 288 dks and warrs

this class blows

[vivid vessel]

wjatdehelly check this out

im in the picture bro

kinda crazy no

[random stirrup]

ye then click dk or something

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

2 handed weapons

are cheating

[fathom bramble]

classes/specs that use 2 handers need fewer crests to max

[vivid vessel]

it is what it is

[random stirrup]

yes

[vivid vessel]

is shaman 2 hander aswell

[random stirrup]

all of them but rogue dh

[fathom bramble]

they'll also only need to farm or acquire 3 of the upgrade thingies

[vivid vessel]

why are they higher ilvl than us

[fathom bramble]

in 2 weeks

[vivid vessel]

dh are also higher ilvl than us

what makes rogue so low ilvl whtadehelly

[fathom bramble]

well those ones might be better classees get more gear from raid

[vivid vessel]

are we all bad guys

[random stirrup]

vaelgor

[fathom bramble]

even if outlaw is clearly good rn rogue spent all of early prog being the worst class in the game after all

[vivid vessel]

[surreal flower]

you guys were given raid gear??

[fathom bramble]

I think the only item I got given was tier chest

at least as far as myth goes

everything else is vault or boes

[random stirrup]

i got a lot of loot that was no longer wanted

or like guidon

only piece above 276 was alleria boots

big up

[vivid vessel]

i got them boots aswell

[glass shard]

another week another why is every good item raidlocked

[craggy barn]

zac

why u smurfed tf out of chim

133k huge

[vivid vessel]

idk was a pug doing 0 damage

so i did the damage

thats how you parse on add bosses lil cuh

get a group doing litteraly 0

[craggy barn]

i woulda

if i was in g1

i got stuck in g2

got huge boss dam tho

[vivid vessel]

looks kinda funny

im ngl

[craggy barn]

L zac bad boss dam

[vivid vessel]

Not here to damage do

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

I mean you can't do both

[craggy barn]

yea

ik

[vivid vessel]

Either you go down twice

Or you go down once

[craggy barn]

i got sat for trials

so i had to pug

sadge

[desert tendon]

tomelvis in sub

[random stirrup]

goated parse

ethical king

[desert tendon]

exposing zac rn

[fluid blade]

Hey guys - I just simmed myself and the chest sims a little higher than solar at 289...whats your view, since there are more chests to catalyst, should I go for trinket?

[desert tendon]

he s slamming as outlaw tho, France is proud of you tom

[twilit axle]

I would say trink if you arent doing Mythic beloren

There is tons of chests to cata from bonus rolls

[fluid blade]

thanks 🙂

[glass shard]

wasnt this 29 min start of season

[low glade]

they've been yoyoing the timer since beta

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry im free from 19 aa jail

[glass shard]

i have a good solution

remove that dogshit dungeon from the pool forever

!!!!

sincerely, capped aoe class

[low glade]

yeah the AA rework sucks ass

easily the worst dungeon in this rotation

[glass shard]

when u look at dungeons that give u io

and u see academy is ur lowest

dread just sets in

damn bro insta inncinerated lol

[gentle lotus]

Any advice pls

[low glade]

this to me is very funny

[glass shard]

fuck yo u blizzard

[low glade]

so hard to heal that fight as disc

[glass shard]

thanks for the 9 dogshit cloaks

[past sphinx]

if im 23% haste shld i use crit flask for raid/m+?

[keen belfry]

mehhh sorry pros wont

[vivid vessel]

I just do the boss dam cuh

Dw about it

I'm ethical in prog

[vivid vessel]

And they should have added 2 more min really

Not 1

We timed it yesterday pre reset without any snap

[glass shard]

give it 3 weeks

[vivid vessel]

1 s on timer

In 21

We probably have the best timer in the world cause no one ever timed it without snaps

[glass shard]

do u ever change ur talents for diff dungeons

[vivid vessel]

And we have insane timers in every key so I don't see why it would be diff here

So adding one minute

Doesn't seem nearly enough for me

[glass shard]

i wanna take off shiv sometimes but legit no other point is gonna do anything

[vivid vessel]

Every other key you have timer for a 22 with 2 min left legit

Academy you barely time 21

[vivid vessel]

I take wound sometimes

Drop move speed in stealth

[glass shard]

i dont even play that

i never get to re in my dungeons (not that it matters)

[vivid vessel]

What are you even taking then

[vivid vessel]

Oh ye well cause you take shiv

I mean I haven't specced shiv in 2 tiers legit

[elfin obsidian]

is there an option to sim socket > item on raidbots?

[glass shard]

yea

the little + sign

u can add socket

[elfin obsidian]

ahh i see

[glass shard]

ye i dont find myself ever pressing it

[elfin obsidian]

i have the wedding ring but cannot up it this week anyways, so i pref a socket > ring

[glass shard]

im in such decision paralysis with my rerolls

[elfin obsidian]

btw, potion of recklesness sims higher for me, is that correct or am i doin smth wrong? (m+)

[arctic hollow]

I have to admit that i regret priorising sim over trinket week two. Didnt realise voidcores would make getting set so easy

[swift moon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[turbid oasis]

is there any way to have free BTE sounds in-game?

[arctic hollow]

As in getting a sound when you reach 6 stacks of the thing ?

[turbid oasis]

yeah where I get free procs of bte

like cd reset

[arctic hollow]

You can set a sound when BTE comes off cooldown but i dont think you can specify "reset", and the sound comes almost a half gcd after it procs, especially in fight where the reset is not instant (voracius and it's weird ass hitbo, cause of travel time)

[craggy barn]

m33k auras

[arctic hollow]

I keep it but it's mostly useless

[tough trellis]

what haste do you think is good to pick up versa instead

[remote pumice]

is there a reason my raidbots is simming outlaw ~20k dps higher in the dungeon slice? I have mythic puzzle box for sin and worse trinkets for outlaw

[summer nimbus]

outlaw supremacy

[remote pumice]

im def not complaining lol i just wanted to make sure nothing funky is going on

[craggy barn]

some specs perform better in dungeon slice sim

outlaw does really well on dslice sims

[remote pumice]

thats what i figured

[craggy barn]

not worth comparing sims between specs anyways

[remote pumice]

sweet thank you good to know

ill have to do some keys then and find out, i imagine the myth puzzle box is ganna make sin really strong for me but who knows

[tropic zephyr]

You don't, Trickster build have less energy Regen than FB, we need that talent

[tropic zephyr]

Dslice numbers are not meant to be compared between sim runs

Dslice is just a tool to figure out talents/gear/enchants that will yield the best results in a dungeon

[tranquil ledge]

Guys, what setting should I change to make the cloud appear less detailed?

[dull geyser]

@vivid vessel yo dude, on the new alg skip, we can all get over there but cant get the sentery to snap. any tips?

[blissful idol]

any experts on what to take? i feel like i cannot take dagger or wrist due to embellishments?

[sage bronze]

Take dagger, swap embellish to double weave on either boots or belt (but sim it first)

Outlaw has a high weight for offhand wdps

But again, sim first and see

[blissful idol]

well belt is mythic track so maybe i craft boots

idk yet

[nova sinew]

@random stirrup something something luck

bonus roll

[sage bronze]

Yeah have a look just add it to your top gear and add the embell

[turbid robin]

Yeah finally

[sturdy ore]

Many thanks bro🤩

[true dust]

hero alnseer or myth legs?

[still matrix]

If you have dagger crit/haste on myth track and myth track wep... do you open outlaw or sub... guess sub for a 2nd dagger to play assa or some shit

[jagged plover]

you could probably count up how many dagger rolls possible vs mh so marginal though

[fluid crown]

Heja, how come sometimes Loaded Dice will roll me down to a 2 buff instead of refreshing my 3 buff? tyvm, if there is somewhere I can read about Loaded Dice logic pls link tytyty xoxo

[formal knot]

loaded dice doesn’t care about your old buff. It just takes whatever you roll next and increases that by +1

[fluid crown]

Ah, okay! That makes sense thank you 🙇:

[formal knot]

[swift moon]

Was gone for over a week and just did my first trickster key

So the 2-3CP PS thing we dont worry about anymore as Trickster? Or we try to use PS at 3 stacks of opp if we have 2-3CP?

And for KS, we use it before AR for flawless form and never rlly press it in AR?

[stone frost]

Should I be embellishing my MH over my OH? Does it matter in retail nowadays?

[frail veldt]

you can KS during adr p sure

its just lower prio than bte

you can cancel it early at max energy

but otherwise its worth it to channel it

KS gives two free UB so its generally worth it to cast it just for that reason

[arctic hollow]

Probably trinket, with coidcores regular gear is eas to get. And from your chest you dont raid much so i think Gaze is the highest value

[stone frost]

Def trinket. Removes the high competition item and you can eventually upgrade it to myth track with the voidcore thingy (I believe)

[swift moon]

Just watching Zacs POVs to get more comfy with it, he uses KS a lot before AR when he has the opportunity to but yeah looks like just slamming it as usual for the rest

Thanks

I find it a bit more awkrawrd to play but ig its just muscle memory as usual

[frail veldt]

yeah its a lil awkward but the builder rules are at least a lot simpler now

[timid portal]

i swear im being haunted with oozing vestige trinket

[swift moon]

I really liked the PS rule for fatebound idk, was super satisfying

[sturdy ore]

fist weapon as offhand works or it should be dagger?

[frail veldt]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[frail veldt]

Generally unless you have a really bad dagger it will usually beat a slow wep like fist weapon for offhand

[stone frost]

Very sexy BiS necklace though

[sturdy ore]

seems like my equipped 253 dagger is better

[stone frost]

I was sub 2 weeks ago and I SEVERELY regret passing on myth solarflare prism 🙁

[frail veldt]

Yep exactly

[timid portal]

neck is good but if i go to roll on pit then its maybe not the choice

[stone frost]

Can anyone tell me if MH/OH matters for embellishments?

[craggy barn]

it doesnt

[stone frost]

I feel like for outlaw the dagger would proc it more often

Ah they got rid of that system?

[thin fiber]

how do we add potion into BCDM? any link?

[river wing]

hmmm
where to send extra rolls...
seat seems like a good place EXCEPT the rings are garbo, and I have the head already
would probably like getting chest/legs best...

[vapid salmon]

No weapons this week too

[jade stone]

What loot spec do you guys suggest for vault? Do we go assa/sub for the dagger off hand? or should I stay outlaw loot spec for a 289 mh?

[fluid meadow]

i don't think i would press any roll in seat there are 10-11 loot in the dungeon overall depends on loot spec

[river wing]

yeah Seat is...iffy
like there's lots of stuff to get (for me personally) but there's like four useless things too

[jade stone]

Pit of Saron has great loot for outlaw

[vapid salmon]

mh is pretty much always the best upgrade

[unkempt dew]

I need the trinket from skyreach but im afraid im getting bullshit if i use my bonus rolls haha

[river wing]

got three good items from there, honestly not worth to gamble anymore

I have the cloak from vault before voidcores were a thing, so I'd be rolling at 33% chance of getting a useless item and honestly wrists/OH doesn't really mean all that much atm (I have a 285 crafted OH anyway)

[jade stone]

A tip is to go sub/assa when rolling in pit as you can get the bis off hand dagger

ahh

I see

[unkempt dew]

I will be crafting a head piece todat because im never lucky with that one and sims tell me to do so

Always trust the sims

[jade stone]

I was dumb af. Same week I swapped to Outlaw I catalysed the bis off piece head...