outlaw

[twilit axle]

It's not

They are trolling

[proven ocean]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[twilit axle]

We took the MH Myth weapon

[proven ocean]

good one

[twilit axle]

Get to max Outlaw MH weap and Gaze this week

[proven ocean]

Nice

[ember rock]

do we use ar now on cd or hold for anything since the rework im not sure

havent played since the talent that made it pause in stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly on cd but you hold if the mod pack is dying soon

mob pack even

[arctic hollow]

You can afford to hold if a pack is about to die or if you have to reposition in raid soon and cant benefit from the smoke

[formal knot]

except for now repositioning doesn't matter

but god knows how long it will stay like that

[gaunt phoenix]

you mostly hold BtE for AR but if AR is ahead of BtE by 1 finisher you can hold AR

[ember rock]

oh true the smoke bomb shit

it lingers when u leave it tho right

[fathom holly]

solo now that you are here

with 5cp do we pistol shot or ss?

with 3 rounds in our pistol ofc

[gaunt phoenix]

you ss with 3 opp

[fathom holly]

always?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[formal thunder]

is good parse on Lura HC just holding BTE reset for adds?

[fathom holly]

ok that is new for me 😮

thank you BOSS

[keen belfry]

holding bte not good

unless for ar

[inland acorn]

What are the chances, blizz stealth fixed invisible rtb cdm bug ?

I've not seen it happen at all today

[gaunt phoenix]

i havent seen it in keys

[inland acorn]

Last week it was mostly happening in raid for me though

[jovial pagoda]

how does arms funnel work?

[twilit axle]

rtb bug was plaguing me in Keys over the weekend

Was turning me into the Joker man

[severe cliff]

hey guys, i just started wow around 3 weeks ago and made a ret pala came to 280ilevel and around 3.1k rio now i want to make a twink. I made a assa rogue to level 90 240ish gearscore with 2 crafted dagger and bracelet (only on 258) so my question now: If i want to switch to outlaw is it a huge downgrade because i used the spark for the 2nd dagger? and more important is the outlaw much harder to play than the assa?

[gaunt phoenix]

you cant use a dagger mainhand so you do need a new mainhand. but dagger offhand is good

is outlaw harder - probably

[wide dune]

You started wow 3 weeks ago and have a 280 char

[inland acorn]

It's not hard to get 280

[severe cliff]

yeah i just run 10 keys till i had everything

[inland acorn]

Also If my math is correct

We have 4 crafted items rn

And you mentioned 3 crafts

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you can craft again today

[inland acorn]

No even before reset

if he is on EU

[severe cliff]

im on EU ye i crafted 2x dagger 1x bracelet

[gaunt phoenix]

oh, i dont think so

[inland acorn]

I have 4 crafted

on EU

MH/Dagger/Boots/Ring

[severe cliff]

i think i still didnt had the last spark

[jovial pagoda]

tomorrow is 5th spark

[inland acorn]

Check if you have weekly, they have guaranteed spark

[severe cliff]

let me log in

i did the weekly

let me log in

but i think the answer that outlaw is harder than assa is telling me to relax for now and try assa

since im very new and complicated specs would just not let me learn the game

since im too focused on rotation then

[inland acorn]

Yeah outlaw is harder than other 2 specs, very busy and high apm

[unkempt dew]

I don’t know what I should craft with the next spark we get

[inland acorn]

lowest ilvl

I guess

[severe cliff]

yeah true i can craft 1 more item

[inland acorn]

[severe cliff]

and after reset even 1 more

[inland acorn]

Which reminds me, I need to do my weekly

I forgot

And i picked 2 abundance events, fml

[unkempt dew]

Sims tell me to go for the head piece

[gaunt phoenix]

bc of bonus rolling you dont necessarily need to just craft 47 times

[severe cliff]

did we use spark to upgrade from 258 to 285?

[unkempt dew]

No

[inland acorn]

we used crests

[gaunt phoenix]

when you can roll and upgrade mythic items instead

[inland acorn]

to upgrade

[severe cliff]

yeah i need to get into POS10 key 2x so i can roll 2x

[inland acorn]

People talking about rolls

[severe cliff]

but getting into a key with 😄

[inland acorn]

I have still to do quest to get those rolls

[jolly geyser]

3 delves

[orchid oracle]

@vivid vessel random question but have you messed around with suf borders/highlights at all? it seems the settings are quite limited in that

[inland acorn]

nah, i'm banging weekly keys for vault

Might as well finish quest for rolls

[frozen quest]

@vivid vessel Need an Update on the buff wa (flask/food) Tracking while having it

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel i want to ping you too

[jolly geyser]

@vivid vessel big vault inc

[copper radish]

any1 feel like hook is faster today? or am i bugging

[inland acorn]

It does feel faster, but i might be cooked

@vivid vessel thoughts ?

[copper radish]

like they baked in the old talent with no notes lol

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel yo

[jolly geyser]

Mastery makes you a real hooker

[copper radish]

usually it feels delayed today its like wow im fast

[jolly geyser]

Faster that is

[copper radish]

I’m not buggin this shit definitely faster

[gaunt phoenix]

record it

[inland acorn]

no it defo feels

faster

[vivid vessel]

Tf that's my vault

[inland acorn]

actually for real

[gaunt phoenix]

record it

[grave cave]

@vivid vessel hi

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf taking so long !?

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

Idk what you mean by that, I have a local fork where I don't have focus highlight tho, only target because having both is useless if you can't differentiate them, I only need one usually

[copper radish]

its definitely faster

[inland acorn]

Was about to drop streamable link, but recording caught my music

[gaunt phoenix]

that looks the same to me

[inland acorn]

I'm not letting you guys judge me for my music taste

[gaunt phoenix]

fast grapple launches you before it even hits the ground

[glass mortar]

looks normal to me

[inland acorn]

idk it still feel faster to me

[glass mortar]

idk if u dont remember how fast old grapple was

[keen belfry]

that looks same speed

[orchid oracle]

i see, i meant just in general if you tried using the default stuff but did it some other way. but then again you maybe dont use it at all

[keen belfry]

but if u feel faster

respect

[glass mortar]

u didnt have this pause where ur character is afk for a quarter of a second after u pressed the button

[inland acorn]

But i did reinstall game today, so it's smooth af rn maybe i'm tripping

[dim parrot]

Haha bro got the mastery version what an L

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

What were you trying to do

[errant terrace]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[orchid oracle]

trying to get it to use highlight for debuffs, instead of the border

very minor stuff, ill figure something out

[frail veldt]

@copper radish

[copper radish]

its feels faster

[frail veldt]

it does not look faster to me lol

[copper radish]

like in BGs when i jumped off cliffs and hooked id hit the ground and today its not happening

i hook before i hit the ground now

[frail veldt]

maybe your ISP upgraded

[glass mortar]

u could always cancel falling damage with base speed hook but you had almost no room for error

if u had like 200 ping u would just splat sometimes

so that doesnt mean its faster

[frail veldt]

the old hook

[copper radish]

idk internets still the same lol

[frail veldt]

was so fast

peep the vid

[glass mortar]

old hook was practically heroic leap it was so fast

[frail veldt]

its like night and day

[glass mortar]

there was almost zero delay in launching

and u flew super fast

[frail veldt]

faster even

lol

[royal belfry]

finally, should i just take the gaze or wait for chima kill?

[frail veldt]

the hook shot out faster

and pulled you faster

it was so great

[keen belfry]

is that text red

[elfin grotto]

Smart to wait, but damn it would've killed me to have it hanging there 😄

Eu reset is today and i barely got my rogue to 265 so can't even kill it this week, will prob go next T_T

[keen belfry]

u could also just take it and start rolling elsewhere

[glass mortar]

i mean if ur not gunna take the gaze i will

u know

like if ur not gunna use it

[keen belfry]

werean

[glass mortar]

might as well not let it go to waste

[keen belfry]

ive taken 4 tokens

4!

[glass mortar]

i can turn tokens into more bonus rolls cant u

so thats technically still gear

[keen belfry]

kinda but kinda not if u dont have crests to send

[glass mortar]

u can also turn them into crests

idk if they count towards the cap or not tho

probably do

[outer meteor]

no gaze again

!

[keen belfry]

i might take the guidon for crown (one boss??? dont even use it on belo) and crest save

but im unsure if worth

[frail veldt]

I think discord is having server issues rn

ive been getting some red messages too

[vivid vessel]

Why is that guy so salty

Let people have gear tf

[trail cape]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[urban oyster]

are a 10 and 12 on different "loot tables" for bonus rolls - for example i use a bonus roll in a 10 pit of saron and get the barbed ymirheim choker - could i use a bonus roll in a 12 pit of saron and still get the choker?

[royal belfry]

going pit for dagger, i actually sim the head and the one i have sim higher for socket i guess although i know the voidlashed is the BIS one

[keen belfry]

sockets are giga, makes sense

but we do want more haste than the sim says, atleast for dungeons

but yes ur helm is giga

[formal thunder]

shouldn't be the case. At least not for 10 and 12, since both give the same 1/6M reward from rolls. Can't say for bellow 10 and 10 tho.

[frail veldt]

ive been enjoying like 25%

I ocassionally will run dry

but its like once a dungeon at most

[astral wind]

This for sure reads as sarcasm to me

[haughty sparrow]

!fuu

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[royal belfry]

true, i'm just gonna hold to see if it drops or i win the roll who knows. anyways i have a back up plan

ty for feedback 🫡

[vivid vessel]

This guy a giga hater for sure

[frail veldt]

he really is

[shadow trellis]

Does gauge put the mob cast on cd?

or will it spam its cast right after

[frail veldt]

it operates like every other cc so it does not

unless its a channel

then interrupting a channel does put a cast on cd

[shadow trellis]

i see thanks

[frail veldt]

Im assuming we should pay attention to the 10s fazed duration after smoke bomb ends to avoid KSing during that window right?

[normal violet]

Stupid question, for Solarflare prism trinket- if I'm in a M+ pack, am I swapping between low health targets or does it not matter since I'm doing aoe?

[glass mortar]

well it would be 10s after the 10s post smoke bomb timer ends

and idk if fazed is acting the same way in sims but it sounds like it would be the play

[frail veldt]

yeah exactly

10s after the buff ends

ive been avoiding pressing KS in that window

made a lil WA to track it

[summer nimbus]

Regardless of how it works swapping to lowest target in aoe is troll because u are just elongating the time the pack lives by not hitting the highest hp mobs

[wide dune]

Better focus down the most healthy mob to speed up the run or kill the most dangerous target

[glass mortar]

it would help a small amount but not enough to spend any brain power thinking about

[normal violet]

Makes sense, I'm usually on elite or prio mobs anyways, but was curious on the math

[glass mortar]

you have higher chances of proccing ur rppms on the main target because thats what u do most of ur damage instances to, but its not guarenteed

and the difference in secondary is small

also u dont wanna be killing the mob ur targeting when u can help it as outlaw because attacks that kill a target dont trigger blade flurry

[wide dune]

Even as assa where you have real execute dmg, it's still better to focus down healthy targets

[normal violet]

Sounds good, appreciate the quick responses

[ebon nimbus]

!key

[prisma horizon]

I’m confused, isn’t KS higher prio than dispatch? Wouldn’t you want to press it if BF/BtE are on CD even if the enemy is fazed?

[sturdy ore]

@copper radish @elfin grotto @inland acorn @agile orchid Addon released! You can find it as "RogueFlow" on Curseforge, sorry for ping but I know you guys wanted to try it 😅

[glass mortar]

pressing kspree will overwrite your fazed on targets it hits

[silver venture]

So like on pull you basically ar>prep>wait till smoke bomb buff exprises>another ar > wait till 10 seconds after smoke bomb expires>ks?

[tepid geode]

is fatebound better in opw and delve?

[glass mortar]

so any targets that still have 2/3 stacks of fazed leftover from smoke cloud will have it overwritten down to 1

this is just a feels rule tho its not in sims

[copper radish]

already love it good shit man

[inland acorn]

wtf bro, it's been 3 minutes

[sturdy ore]

hahaha thank you so much

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[sturdy ore]

i really hope it helps you, any feedback is welcomed

[frail veldt]

in between adrs I wouldnt

but in general on a big pack when you just have the one adr

you adr->smoke bomb 10s->buff 10s->3 stack fazed 10s

any reapplication of fazed clears the 3 stack

so on the target youre hitting youre going to inevitably clear it with UB

but KS is our only aoe fazed application outside of smoke bomb

so if you press KS during that 10s fazed duration you drop from 3stacks to 1 stack

which literally removes a 16% damage buff on your targets

so im thinking delay KS during that window

[silver venture]

I see i see gonna try that today for sure

[glass mortar]

just decreasing the damage ur BF does yea not as huge as it sounds

but it does seem like something that could be checked

[frail veldt]

ye prob

will sim it later if I have time/energy

[silver venture]

So wouldnt that be a bad play on aoe pull?

[glass mortar]

might be a loss might not be honestly hard to say

it sounds like it should be a loss in my head but like i said, no official rules for this yet

[earnest sphinx]

yo gang

crafting ring good?

[glass mortar]

u dont know whcih targets kspree is even gunna shoot and in most large pulls its probably not pinging everyone u have fazed on

[gaunt phoenix]

it is, but since you can roll rings, you will end up wasting crests in the long run

[silver venture]

I imagine its not worth on pulls like first on academy since u need the prio on lashers

[earnest sphinx]

💀

[glass mortar]

well

its not really gunna matter for prio because u generate blades quite frequently and whenever u proc an unseen blade in that window its going to overwrite ur main targets fazed stacks anyway

u probably usually overwrite ur main targets fazed regardless of kspree

but kspree itself is bad for ur prio period so

[earnest sphinx]

mby craft heroic as a placeholder item

for now

im cncr unlucky with dungeon drops

[glass mortar]

so it probably doesnt hurt to avoid tbh

[silver venture]

Curious then do i not wanna press it at all for example that first pull avademy until at least first lasher dies

[native tinsel]

thanks for the rtb reminder, i always drop that fucker

[silver venture]

Im pugging 100% of the time so like 60% of failed academys are due to tanks dying lol

[frail veldt]

Bro saaaame

AA pugged is brutal

[glass mortar]

no u def do

without pressing it u wont be able to get any aoe fazed past 2 stacks up

each one of its hits will apply the third stack to some random duder

but id still cancel it following the cancel rules

during ur smoke bomb buffs that being

[silver venture]

I have no clue hiw tf i have timed it on 18 but i dont wanna step into it again

[stiff sigil]

When getting bte resets do you take the time to gain back to 6 cp or do you just spam fire?

[glass mortar]

6+ to cast BtE

[silver venture]

I see , so same as before gothca

[glass mortar]

doesnt matter if its a reset or not

[normal violet]

even if the reset puts you at 5 cp? you SS to back up to 7+? isn't that just a lot of potential overcapping of cp?

[glass mortar]

yes

but trickster does that all the time

like half ur builders end u at 5

then u build to 6+ to finish for everything thats not kspree anyway

ace proc isnt any different

[inland acorn]

sad to report, but addon doesn't seem to work for me 🙃 Tried in dungeon, dummies and open world, never showed any alert or played any sound

[ornate kernel]

How do I make the CP bar turn green at 6-7 CP? i see in streams sometimes and want to do it on my UI D:

[keen belfry]

wangbar

[ornate kernel]

Its compatible with other addons like that?

[keen belfry]

u can just disable the resource bars in most cdm addons

i know ayijecdm u can just do your behavior too

[ornate kernel]

Okkk tysm 😄

[sturdy ore]

No worries! everything works?

[sturdy ore]

oh, did you set anything up using /rf?

[inland acorn]

left mostly default, tried moving alerts a bit and changing sounds

but no difference

[sturdy ore]

I just clean installed it from curseforge again, also deleted the savedvariables so its all default and everything works

can you try going on addon page on Curseforge and press on the 3 dots and Delete Settings?

[copper radish]

only thing it hasnt alerted me for is BTE so far

been giving bones / flurry alerts

[sturdy ore]

did you have a proc for BTE?

[inland acorn]

ok reinstalled it, and BF and RtB started working

BTE doesn't work though, like vancleef

for either Ace reset or gravedigger

[sturdy ore]

Something bugged, i'll fix it later tonight!

[keen belfry]

there ya go

[inland acorn]

[upper hawk]

when i'm looking at a quick sim the bot seems to press roll the bones immediately after AR even if there's lots of time left on the running stage 2 rtb. although it might be only when it has KIR available

is that optimal?

[inland acorn]

Yes id you have kir ready

[frail veldt]

should have mispelled rogue lol

[inland acorn]

And loaded dice you roll stage 2

[lavish lark]

I assume its also cause with the ar rtb buff you always roll stage2 at minimum

[gaunt phoenix]

link what you are lookin at

[sturdy ore]

awang :))))

[glass mortar]

we have a rule to do this if kir is available and you have loaded dice active yes

if the sim presses AR with kir available it should be instantly rerolling (assuming its a 2 buff or under)

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf

[sturdy ore]

I didn't have time to make a proper logo yet. the one you see its indeed chatgpt inspired, but its made by me from scratch. I work as a graphic designer at EA for a very long time, I know my stuff, thats just made in 4 minutes for the initial release

[gaunt phoenix]

there's a typo in the apl

i havent done that in years

[glass mortar]

[upper hawk]

it already had stage 2 from prepull AR and immediately rerolled after the 2nd ar

[glass mortar]

yea its fishing for kir

[gaunt phoenix]

it's because i put cooldown.bte.ready instead of kir

[glass mortar]

wait do we not fish anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

you do

[frail veldt]

we do

but it was overfishing

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a mistake

[frail veldt]

is sim bout to go up more!

were blasting

[glass mortar]

wait why was it overfishing maybe im missing what was wrong

[frail veldt]

maybe not over fishing

solo said it was checking bte cd

[gaunt phoenix]

weran

[frail veldt]

instead of kir

[gaunt phoenix]

i just said i typo'd it

[glass mortar]

nono i understand something was wrong with sim

but like

[frail veldt]

then whats the issue

[glass mortar]

i would do the same thing this sim is doing

[frail veldt]

you fish while bte is ready?

[glass mortar]

or im confused whats wrong rotationaly about it ig

[frail veldt]

I think the person who noticed the "issue" wasnt actually noticing the issue

[glass mortar]

yea so its just the order of BtE and RtB then?

[frail veldt]

but solo did find something

regardless

[glass mortar]

not the fact that its casting RtB

[frail veldt]

the person was just asking about rolling at stage 2 with LD for KiR

but yeah then solo noticed something different

[glass mortar]

it should AR > BtE until it cant then RtB to 🐟 ?

[gaunt phoenix]

if kir is ready it's correct to roll right there

[frail veldt]

fish before bte p sure

[upper hawk]

so if KIR is available it's ok to munch a lot of time off a stage 2 roll to try to LD a stage 3 plus roll?

that's my question i guess

[frail veldt]

rtb is higher prio than finishers

[vivid vessel]

if ld is up

yes

you wouldnt reroll a 2 without ld tho

[inland acorn]

Or would you

[upper hawk]

but if KIR is not available you'd wait for the 2 to drop beforee using the LD?

[glass mortar]

yes

[inland acorn]

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[vivid vessel]

yes

FIRST

[upper hawk]

ok

[glass mortar]

literally the slowest

[vivid vessel]

no i was first

[glass mortar]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

get owned weran

[inland acorn]

Time to retire zac

[glass mortar]

even solo mogged u

[inland acorn]

Age catching up to ya

[glass mortar]

ur pc is coping

[wintry solar]

damn Im so fast you cant even see me in those screenshots

[vivid vessel]

bro wtf

[glass mortar]

sorry i mean obviously solo mogged u

😎

[little lichen]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[nocturne shuttle]

!spreadsheet

[ornate heath]

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[worldly shale]

blade flurry shouldnt be a button thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

i like bf giving cp

i think maintaining bf in aoe tho

isnt that interesting

[lone surge]

any macro to cast the threeat thing to your tank?

[vivid vessel]

and i liked when it was just perma up with uuuh in tww

[fathom bramble]

BF duration needs to be longer so you can maintain it more easily or cast for combo points depending on the situation

[vivid vessel]

i think it was a good middle ground

between a toggle

and a button

[glass mortar]

should just pause out of combat and honestly last twice as long ye

the timer of bf doesnt feel very interesting

[fathom bramble]

in legion it somehow managed to be a toggle and a button thanks to the legendary

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

i guess the issue is just the duration

[vivid vessel]

should legit be 3x the duration

70 %

[fathom bramble]

I think the duration could be 20-30 seconds without a problem

[vivid vessel]

wjhatdejhel;;y

[keen belfry]

bf duration is HEINOUS

[fathom bramble]

and/or get extended by generating combo points

[gaunt phoenix]

wjhatdejhel;;y

[vivid vessel]

also about that

i feel like its legit terrible

not for me idc i never removed the bind cause im a bug abuser

but i think its terrible that we have to press snd again now

[fathom bramble]

yeah it is

[vivid vessel]

cause crakcshot is gone

[glass mortar]

definitly seems unintended

which is also bad

because it means to fix it they might just delete the button and be done with it

[gaunt phoenix]

Why is fixing it worse

[vivid vessel]

like im sure a lot of people had removed the bind

[fathom bramble]

needing to cast a junk finisher because BTE doesn't give slice and it wastes supercharge if you dispatch cannot possible be intentional

[vivid vessel]

since it was essentially useless

[glass mortar]

fixing it as in removing the button entirely would make me sad

if they fixed it not doing that obviously would be ok

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i kjnow the fix lol

make bte proc snd ?

be normal human

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

we press bte more than dispatch

thougihts

[prisma horizon]

Holy **** this guy’s cooking

[glass mortar]

do u think they realized they even took that away

[fathom bramble]

make BTE proc snd or be done with it and remove snd as a buff

[keen belfry]

new ace change is a banger tho

just amke it 5 cp tho

but so many ace resets

[vivid vessel]

well its a banger cuase it procs more lo

[keen belfry]

reminding me of crackshot

[vivid vessel]

just buffed happy

[keen belfry]

yes

[fathom bramble]

at like level 50 or something jsut give us "Slice and dice: Rank 2, You always gain the benefits of slice and dicee and no longer need to cast or maintain it"

[glass mortar]

why even put it on a specific finisher

"spending combo points grants SnD for X seconds per CP"

[vivid vessel]

make it a raid buff thoughts ?

[glass mortar]

sillyness

[vivid vessel]

1h raid buff giving your raid attack speed

[fathom bramble]

nearby allies gain 20% of the effect of your slice and dice 🤔

[cinder relic]

Slice and dice becomes a raid buff giving it to all party members

[upper hawk]

the bte buff stacks should be a raid buff, right

[quaint wharf]

slice and dice raid buff would be sick

[glass mortar]

also keeps us in the theme of only buffing melee and only wanting melee buffs

[dense prism]

!UI

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[cinder relic]

Welcome back wft

[vivid vessel]

[inner yacht]

I press snd from the spellbook pre key. I removed from bar and not adding it back

[vivid vessel]

ye i mena

thats what i mean

i would not be surpriosed if most casuals dont even know

and just not have snd up

for a long time

[gaunt phoenix]

@upper hawk @glass mortar it seems fixing this typo doesnt actually move the sim result at all

as if actually rolling over 2 when LD + BTE is ready is fine

funny

[inland acorn]

fishing for bte new meta

[strong cargo]

How bad is it if my guild prepull often and I lose my CPs before the SnD ? Should I wait for pull to ADR roll SnD ?

[vivid vessel]

if you think about it

you have 50/50 of getting higher than 2 with ld

and then once it expire you have 50/50 of getting a 2

so you kinda just trade

know what i mean

[glass mortar]

nothingevenmatterslaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Just straight up rolling over 2 with LD regardless of whatever is also fine it seems

[glass mortar]

funny tho

[ornate kernel]

Gloves or chest to prio from vault on myth? i have the same hero 6/6, idk why the sim page dont work for me today t.t

[glass mortar]

chest has more stats gained over ilvl so the agi almost certainly makes it the better choice

[strong cargo]

chest big

[outer meteor]

chest is prob better

but if u are bonus rolling chim

maybe not the best

[fair sparrow]

Yeah we like chests

[upper hawk]

i just didn't know we fished. i was leaving that 2 up as long as i could as long as I didn't waste the LD

i don't think the faq has anything about overwriting a 2 when you have LD + KiR

[prisma horizon]

So we don’t need KiR if we have LD?

[upper hawk]

sorry, i meant as long as i didn't waste the LD

[vivid vessel]

it is correct with kir

but also i guess it doesnt matter much

[unkempt swift]

!commonerrors

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[limpid sky]

if its a 2 set you don't but you will always kir a 3 or 4

[gaunt phoenix]

thats a bit old

[gaunt phoenix]

it did at one point

i munched it when rewriting it a bit

it's back in optimizations again

rip 0.7% dps ..

[worldly shale]

uuuuugh im having energy troubles on vanguard is that normal

should i haste flask it

[gaunt phoenix]

very

ue

ye

[worldly shale]

ooook

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix do you remember the damage gain of each buff

[earnest sphinx]

25%haste with flask or without lads

[worldly shale]

tyyy

[gaunt phoenix]

in ST it's like 15% > 8% > 15%

In aoe it's like 13% > 14% > 15% lol

So stage 3 is like nearly twice as good in aoe

[upper hawk]

because of the deft cps?

[gaunt phoenix]

mostly blade rush i assume

[upper hawk]

oh

[vivid vessel]

so it make complete sense that rolling on cd is kinda fine

specially in aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[vivid vessel]

you know what

imma just roll on cd now when kir is ready and im stuck on sucky ass roll

fuck this !

[gaunt phoenix]

[upper hawk]

you mean regardless of ld or not, if you're at 1 or 2 just keep rolling until 3 if you have KIR?

same reason i don't like sleight. i'll just get lucky instead

[gaunt phoenix]

rolling over 2 without ld, you will get fucked more than you get lucky

but it's worth if you are lucky

[quaint wharf]

gamba spec must roll

[thorny zinc]

the pure of heart will hit 3 dice more often

[glass mortar]

me personally, im only gunna roll over without LD when itll give me 3 buffs

[vivid vessel]

ye but in aoe you press ss so little

[glass mortar]

u guys can gamble if u wanna tho

💅

[elfin grotto]

Coming home in 1h and will def use it 🫡

[vivid vessel]

im becoming a gambler bro

no more of these 10min keys without a kri

[fair sparrow]

How is Lura amp fake btw, is it just the damage before that matters more or what

[vivid vessel]

idk i dotn understand lura amp

i havent looked into it

[quaint wharf]

bro first 7 min of mc yesterday

[fair sparrow]

Hmmge

[quaint wharf]

straight 2 buff roll

[vivid vessel]

but i got told there was an amp in p3

[quaint wharf]

no kir for 7 min

[fair sparrow]

@cinder relic can explain to me?

[vivid vessel]

and idk why when where

[upper hawk]

i thought the amp was just from people beign alive in the bubble

[fair sparrow]

No that’s diff amp

[vivid vessel]

there is one in p3 i was told

but idk

[fair sparrow]

Yeah when she splits

There’s amp I think

But it’s fake apparently

I’m not sure why or how

I’m guessing because it last so long

[fair sparrow]

That no single spec benefits more

[vivid vessel]

i guess its just that

[fair sparrow]

But I thought I heard something about damage beforehand counting more

[vivid vessel]

but it last all of p3 so

[fair sparrow]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

idk

if you have enough dps

[cinder relic]

Its fake because its not an actual amp

[vivid vessel]

you can skip a hard part of p3

[cinder relic]

Like okay

[vivid vessel]

the last set of symbols

[cinder relic]

If a boss last 2 minutes, and has 100k hp, vs having 200k hp with a 100% damage amp, vs 50k life and a 100% less damage taken amp

these bosses all last 2 minutes

[fair sparrow]

Mhm

[vivid vessel]

he is talking about p3

[cinder relic]

Amps are worth highlighting when they are like, SHORT

[vivid vessel]

not secret phase

[cinder relic]

I'm aware

[fair sparrow]

It’s just inflated number then I guess?

But same % basically

[cinder relic]

Correct

[vivid vessel]

i mean then it would be relevant no

[fair sparrow]

Ok I see

[cinder relic]

ITs why the damage amp on loomithar isn't an amp

[vivid vessel]

thats why you lust in p3 and not pull

[gaunt phoenix]

how does that not apply to every amp ever tho

[vivid vessel]

loom was hp phasing tho

this isnt hp phasing

[cinder relic]

Yes but I'm saying the duration of the encounter is so long that it doesnt split the difference

[fair sparrow]

I think because it lasts so long that there’s no inherent benefit to the amp other than design of fight

So sub does more burst

[cinder relic]

No spec is benfititing more outside of extremely slim timers

[vivid vessel]

well there is for lust

but thats it

[fair sparrow]

But it lasts so long it would just equalize

[cinder relic]

Correct

[fair sparrow]

Yeah yeah

But lust is raid wide

[vivid vessel]

yes

[fair sparrow]

I mean it’s an amp

Just not something to swap over

[vivid vessel]

but also if you are a spec that gain more from lust than others

you will do better on the fight

[fair sparrow]

Ig that’s why it’s fake

[cinder relic]

Saladar amp matters, because it was 20-30 seconds, you optimize your damage for this 30 second window, you play specs to optimize for this

[vivid vessel]

its not fake so

its just long

[cinder relic]

When an amp is over 2 minutes, its not an amp

Its just like,

a 2 minute phase

[fair sparrow]

Mmmm yeah I mean

[vivid vessel]

idk thats just wrong

[fair sparrow]

Over these 2 mins for rogue purposes

Sub technically should be doing way better in an amp

But in this case it just wouldn’t no?

[glass mortar]

wouldnt sub get 2 full sets of cds in if they timed it right for a 2m damage amp phase

[fair sparrow]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

there is no hp based phasing so any spec that would do more damage during these last 2 min (more damage in lust, more damage in execute, or getting perfect cd timings during it)

would be better

and gain value

[glass mortar]

idk if its 2 minutes of like a 6-8 minute fight then it should still favor burst specs

[cinder relic]

Yes but like, u also skip both memeory games at the end of the fight

[glass mortar]

the longer u make a burst phase the less it benifits them tho guy is right

like its way less impactful then a boss designed around 20 second burst phases

[fair sparrow]

But does the 2 full cds put it ahead of outlaw

That idk

[dim parrot]

Does offhand damage matter for outlaw or nah it’s just a stat stick

[vivid vessel]

no

[fair sparrow]

Probably just for the p3 a little bit

But overall def no

[dim parrot]

Like crafted vs krick’s beetle stabbed

[glass mortar]

it matters but not nearly as much as mh

can always just sim but most of its value is being a dagger and stats

[dim parrot]

Figured

[placid ocean]

It's pretty easy to just target krick's dagger in m+ with bonus rolls now, so not much point in crafting a dagger

Literally every piece from PoS is good for outlaw

[native tinsel]

Not an issue to spend the points before a ADR window in a dispatch right?

Or should I ADR > BTE even at 6+?

[glass mortar]

spend then adr

(on dispatch or kspree if its up)

[dim parrot]

Yeh already have crafted 285 dagg just wasn’t sure if I should go assa loot spec while I farm POS or if dagger is waste od time . Haven’t simmed tho lol

[steel oxide]

Seat helm in vault a week after I bought crit haste legs

[fathom bramble]

there is also an actual real damage amp in that phase

the dimension link works out to being net neutral, but there is an actual 100% damage amp that isn't mentioned in the journal or is on any tooltip

and idk why

like the shared damage ends up just being nothing since they take double damage(by copying it to their ally and also have double life(by copying their life bar) in that phase

[copper radish]

Have yall figured out you can vanish the beacon of hope mobs in a delve and still get the reward w out killing them

[molten pond]

it says we should use Preparation when all is on cooldown

would it be great to do it at the open after using bte and blade rush ?

to use them again and AR again at the end of the first AR ?

[fathom bramble]

but players actually deal double damage for some reason

and it seems linked to no mechanic

[frail veldt]

yes thats exactly how you want to use it

[craggy barn]

hmm

[supple carbon]

!ui

[ornate ledge]

guys any fixes for outlaw smoke shit? cant see ground effects

[pure folio]

particle density i think

[foggy cove]

is it best to fill out all our gear first in myth track from POS first before gambling on raid items with bonus rolls

[nova blaze]

whats our best dungeon and why ?

[tender breach]

Are u having trouble connecting??

[frail veldt]

it would take a long time to get all myth track without gambling

[craggy barn]

god my rerolls are so scuffed

[frail veldt]

I think the purpose of the gambling tokens is to help you get to full myth earlier

[foggy cove]

i meant as in spending bonus rolls to get all the myth gear from pos before using them on myth raid drops

[frail veldt]

what is pos

[foggy cove]

pit of saron

[craggy barn]

pit

[frail veldt]

aaaah

that all depends on what gear you need

[fathom bramble]

that's probably best for most players

pit is a lot of good loot you'll end up bonus rolling there eventually

[green star]

I mean if you can bonus roll on Mythic chim I would

[frail veldt]

PoS is a good use of tokens yeah

myth chim is also a good one

is gaze really as insane as the sim says or is there any reality where it kinda oversims

[fathom bramble]

it's as good as it sims

[frail veldt]

damnt

guess I gotta start pugging

[worldly shale]

i was worried we werent satisfied with changes

[foggy cove]

group im with is up to myth 4/9 last week

[fathom bramble]

it has no mechanics that could make it worse in reality so

[craggy barn]

god

i might have to token seat

[fathom bramble]

token pit very good

[craggy barn]

i already have ring and neck

[green star]

Not to mention the dagger

If you dont have it already its BIS

[craggy barn]

yea dagger would be good, but its not better than my curent setup

[tired rune]

as long as I dont roll belt its a w

[foggy cove]

dagger started dropping like crazy for me only after getting 1

[tired rune]

which means im getting belt

[frail veldt]

nah we'd never be dumb enough to shut down a discord thinking blizzard would care

[green star]

I mean Daggers bis tho

[fathom bramble]

we have had no daggers drop in mythic raid yet

[foggy cove]

have 4 beetle stabbers now

[fathom bramble]

glad I crafted one 1st week

[craggy barn]

i have to do a lot of shuffling around to make dagger work

lol

[tired rune]

ive seen so many on heroic

none on myth as well

[fathom bramble]

idk the beetle stabber wasn't an upgrade for me over the crafted one

no matter how much stuff I moved around

I just rolled pit in law spec

[craggy barn]

yea i ahve the 2 important things from pit

[frail veldt]

is your crafted embellished?

[craggy barn]

my vault sucks so i have a lot of considerations i have to do

[fathom bramble]

yes

[frail veldt]

maybe offhand embelishment is just too good

cuz offhand ilvl sucks so much

[fathom bramble]

and moved embell to my helm for the testing ofc

[frail veldt]

ye I figured

like optimal gear maybe is just offhand embelished

I think ilvl on armor is higher value than ilvl on offhand

esp like helm

[fathom bramble]

ilvl on offhand is worth a fair amount though

[foggy cove]

im assuming crafts atp after boots spellbreaker blade ring is just whatevers your lowest item right

[frail veldt]

iirc its similar to ilvl on like belt/bracers

but maybe im wrong

I dont think it was higher value than like helm ilvl

[craggy barn]

my biggest issue is i dont have a myth mh

just crafted still

and im being sat this week for trials

bc we're missing so many other people

[fathom bramble]

I swear you need like exactly the alleria sword to replace a crafted mh too

[green star]

I mean the difference between crafted and raid MH isnt very much

[fathom bramble]

the weapon embel is just so good

[craggy barn]

my weapon embel is on my oh

bc i use it for dagger specs

[fathom bramble]

I mean

you can have it on both

[craggy barn]

nah i have embel on boots

for spec swap

[green star]

I pref void + Arcano

[fathom bramble]

fair

[green star]

I dont like 2 wep

[craggy barn]

dagger + boots embell so i can swap specs

[fathom bramble]

but with double embel weps I can't even fit mythic weapons into my character

without the alleria sword

[craggy barn]

getting krik knife wouldn't be bad

[frail veldt]

myth mainhand was def an upgrade for me

[craggy barn]

but thats shuffling more embels around

[frail veldt]

over embel mainhand

[craggy barn]

to make spec swapping work

[frail veldt]

shifting embel to my helm

[fathom bramble]

need the right wep and the right items probably idk

[craggy barn]

im prob just rerolling seat for helm

nothing else really to go for

i could go skyreach

for trinket

[frail veldt]

I think ilvl of mainhand to myth track outweighs the value of wep embel over armor embel

thats what I noticed when doing all the sims

[craggy barn]

my vault sucks

[frail veldt]

offhand wasnt though which supports what you were noticing

[frail veldt]

sockets are good at least

[craggy barn]

yea

[frail veldt]

or extra rerolls

[fathom bramble]

I'll definitely do some more looking, but it's just that I have a myth mh in my vault and it didn't seem worth taking

[craggy barn]

but i have nothing to use sockets on rn

the helm as it is is still an upgrade for me

[novel isle]

cant you buy bonus rolls?

[craggy barn]

so im tempted to reroll seat twice

[timid portal]

ring is good no?

[craggy barn]

yes

[frail veldt]

thast the exact mainhand I have haha

[timid portal]

if you have haste somewhere else

[frail veldt]

that I did find it to be an upgrade

could just be how your secondary distribution changes

[craggy barn]

sure but it fucks my stats up and

[frail veldt]

haste is sensitive around the breakpoint

[craggy barn]

gear is fucked

[fathom bramble]

I love breakpoints

[craggy barn]

the helm there

is better than ring

for me rn

[novel isle]

https://tenor.com/view/my-wife-meet-my-wife-gif-5416698

[craggy barn]

ring only .4, helm is .6 if i swap to beserker's ench

if i roll seat and get helm

then i can just take whatever i want

got a lot of shit to sift through there tho

the only other thing would be skyreach

thankfully i have myth gaze so i don thave to think about that shit at all

[frail veldt]

must be nice

[craggy barn]

seat helm and skyreach trinket are both .7% for me LOL

[fathom bramble]

mace loses even before considering the value of buying a socket with my vault instead

though 'loses' might not be a real assessment since it's basically margin of error

weapon embel is just insanely good I think

[pure folio]

@fathom bramble what ilvl are u, u gapped me

[fathom bramble]

283.3

[pure folio]

fawkk

[fathom bramble]

before sending any upgrades this week

[craggy barn]

are u meta race

[vivid vessel]

when

or what

[fathom bramble]

when she splits

[vivid vessel]

ah the whole p3 duration you mean ?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

I can't figure out where the p3 damage amp comes from though

it's not in the journal I don't think

and none of the spells I checked seemed to indicate that they do that

it just kind of happens

[green star]

Gaze eludes me again, I feel so bricked without it

I have myth prism which is nice, but that 2nd trink slot is so sad

[crystal canopy]

wasn't it because all damage dealt to one image is copied to the other image, but they also share health?

[fathom bramble]

no, that works out as net neutral because when they split they also double their total life

so they go from 950 to 950+950, but you deal damage to both 950m bars

there's like an actual damage amp

that makes your actual spells hit 100% harder

[hard wraith]

guys i think my rogue is broken, i cant figure out why im still always behind on the damage meters.. ive respec accordingly and have changed my rotations as per all the above guidelines, but my between the eyes hardly crits.. anyone know how to troubleshoot this or what am i doing wrong. i feel like im decently geared as well

[craggy barn]

damn

this sim wants me ot just take my shitty caverns helm

[plain whale]

Are our stats the same between AOE and ST roughly? No need to re-sim gems etc?

[green star]

I mean our AOE is just our ST damage lol

[fathom bramble]

you want slightly more haste for dungeons and other long fight content

[crystal canopy]

not really enough information to try and answer that, do you have any logs or something?

[lofty latch]

I have a question on a specific situation in m+ - pack is like <10-15%, rtb about to fall off and ar is ready. Do I press rtb to finish pack and risk 1 roll, which means itll be on cd at start of next pack? Or do I hold and do zdps and have ar/rtb rdy for next pack? Ar + 1 roll with rtb in cd feels bad

[lapis meadow]

my steak is too juicy and my lobster is too buttery

[vivid vessel]

all these trinkets !

and none of them is bis

unlucky !

[hard wraith]

ahh.. having logs could be helpful, unfortunately i dont have any logs. Ive just returned back to WoW after tbc, ( i was playing as combat rogue back then), but ive been reading the guides and ive just been trying to play according to the recommended rotations.. also can i ask, based on current openers of advising to spend combo points on s&d, does this mean, we dont even need to be in stealth mode?

[lapis meadow]

i mean prism is bis until mythic birb

[hard wraith]

forgot to mention you above reply thanks

[lapis meadow]

and my guild aint killing birb for a while

[carmine mountain]

prism is not bis over heroic umbral

[green star]

Stealth does nothing other than make you go faster for outlaw, and Other than at the start of a dungeon/raid fight you dont ever have to press S&D again

[crystal canopy]

stealth doesn't really do anything no, you don't want to ambush at all

[vivid vessel]

Maybe a mythic one is idk

Not sure

[crystal canopy]

doesn't do anything for damage* it still makes you invisible ofcourse 😛

[carmine mountain]

even 298 prism wouldnt beat umbral at heroic level

[green star]

Imagine having a umbral at all

-_-

[frail veldt]

Damn yeah that's surprising. I got like 0.4% for mine but maybe it's just how my other gear swapped was. Seems like you had to move around a lot of stuff for it

[lapis meadow]

I'll have to sim to double check

[carmine mountain]

I simmed it myself but go ahead

[hard wraith]

haha yea for sure. Im just thinking maybe im not hitting r&b too often.. im still trying to train my eyes to look at the buff's.. so many icons these days and it makes it hard to spot the rolls i get.. Just wondering if there is an addons that could perhaps alert us if we roll > 2 or >3

[lapis meadow]

289 prism is showing as a dps gain, not much but slight

[vivid vessel]

[carmine mountain]

your 285 will beat the 298 sim that

and thats heroic only

[lapis meadow]

yeah but myth birb is weeks away for me

[carmine mountain]

2 weeks from heroic void trinkets which beat all the mythic plus trinkets so thats that

[restive mango]

wait we can upgrade that thing to heroic?

[carmine mountain]

heroic voidforge for trinket yes

[green star]

Boosts it to currenty Mythic level psure

[lapis meadow]

maybe we take box then incase sin gets buffed

feels bad taking an item i cant use rn though

[carmine mountain]

it will be a 285 gaze / umbral plume at heroic voidforge unless you raid mythic 🙂

[deft barn]

I recently hurt my hand at work and I have raid tonight, how cooked am I if I used 1 button to raid? How far behind is it on dps you figure?

[lapis meadow]

I raid mythic but i aint getting shit for loot til im done trialing

[carmine mountain]

hows your gear looks like?

[deft barn]

Mine? i'm 278 ish

[lapis meadow]

im 280 basically bised out for outlaw minus moving hero to myth

[carmine mountain]

I mean 1 button is a big dps loss but you do what you can other classes might be better if you do raid seriously otherwise idk what to tell you its like 30% dps loss or some shit

I'd probably spend my bonus rolls on trinkets then but thats just me 🙂

[late nacelle]

Is there a spreadsheet for cloak of shadows this season? Trying to find the best uses for it across all fights.

[green star]

Guys am I sad or pathetic because my 2nd best trink is Champ Plume

[carmine mountain]

I mean run mythic plus and get a hero one at least or use your bonus rolls to get another one on the myth track. There is so many ways to get gear at the moment 🙂 First run chimerus and get that stupid gaze trinket 😛

[green star]

I have Myth Prism thanfully but Gaze sadly eludes me

Heroic and champ 😭

[carmine mountain]

Your luck about to turn around spend those bonus rolls!

[green star]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I dunno

Bonus rolling heroic sounds so sad

[lapis meadow]

does the ascendant voidcore thing turn hero gear into myth track or just increase the lvl like previous seasons

[green star]

Like if I miss

[late nacelle]

I was trying to pug mythic chimaerus yesterday and it was...frustrating

[green star]

and get a helmet or something

ima feel terribe LOL

[carmine mountain]

I mean how else are you getting it otherwise? i mean id get everything in POS first on the myth track but besides that you'll need to do that eventually if you dont get it

[carmine mountain]

its +9 ilvls

[lapis meadow]

but it stays hero track right

[green star]

Yeah thats what I was thinking for the most part, I will Eventually bonus roll I think, especially when mythic becomes a little easier to pug, I've done M Imp but still need M Chim

[carmine mountain]

so 285

yes

[green star]

I need most of the things from Pit still tho so just gonna do that first I think

[carmine mountain]

Heroic Voidcore

[green star]

The Champion Plume isnt that bad tbh

[carmine mountain]

Yeah its crazy how good that place is

[green star]

Still beats out quite a few trinks at high ilvl

[carmine mountain]

its good to use bloodmallet but sim yourself

[green star]

Yeah I did, it was a 0.1% loss to my Heroic Guidon

But I think ease of use

will easily outweigh that 0.1

lol

Im not perfectly using GUidon im sure so i dont doubt the real # is prob more in favor of plume

[carmine mountain]

so get that dagger, neck, belt, ring from POS plenty of awesome loot for you to get 🙂

[green star]

Yeah I got lucky last week with dagger, basically everything there is still an upgrade thankfully

[lapis meadow]

i already have dagger ring and belt from PoS scared to test my luck this week and possible get repeats since i sent before the update

[carmine mountain]

I got lucky last week got Helm from Seat and Ring from POS

[green star]

Damn youre crazy sending it on seat

That be sick but im not brave enough for that lol

[carmine mountain]

haha well now its worth it thats how I see it xD but yeah POS once you get everything get that freaking trinket from raid unless you get it before that or you get it in your vault

[arctic merlin]

how much better is trick to fb

10% as wowhead suggests?

[carmine mountain]

I think it was 13% why you want to play fatebound?

[arctic merlin]

... yes

ik sims were wrong

[green star]

Yeah thats the plan, Maybe by the time I have everything I need from POS I can roll on mythic chim too, Should have killed it by then I think

[carmine mountain]

Good stuff Spooky keep at it 🙂

Sims are not wrong its stronger, it is what it is, get used to it.

[arctic merlin]

wow calm down

was just asking

[carmine mountain]

im quite calm lol

always check the pins by solo he does the theorycrafting and the guides and its always accurate you can also check zac's profile whatever hes playing is usually whats best also. Most people me included would want to play fatebound but you just can't if you do high keys

[keen belfry]

Get used to it allonie

Ok?

@arctic merlin

[normal violet]

What's the rule of thumb for simming Outlaw? If I'm trying to determine pieces of loot to use, should I just do like a 5 minute 1 target boss? Or something different if my focus is for both raid and m+?

[green star]

I sim single target and multi target

[amber forum]

Its normal that I feel like I don't use "Killing Spree" very often, or am I doing something wrong? 🙁

[arctic merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/enojado-gif-6930705070173779193

[green star]

I mean its higher than Dispatch on Prio so you should be hitting it over that

[real falcon]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[light dune]

On long gathers where you're active in combat with everything up what are you holding and what are you sending? hold AR until pack is gathered right? do you hold roll the bones as well? Bladerush/BtE?

[green star]

I mean you have tricks, you can just attack whenever you want

[light dune]

AR most beneficially is in the spot where mobs end up right the cloud cover area

[arctic merlin]

i was thinking that just now, i think it makes sense to hold AR as cloud cover doesn't move with you

[green star]

Isnt Cloud bugged still

And we just get it whenever

Doesnt matter where it is iirc

[arctic merlin]

fake clouds

[light dune]

kk

[green star]

ATM it doesnt matter where your cloud is

You get the buff no matter what

Pop AR and then run around and look at your buffs

Just dont tell blizz 🙂

They broke it fixing the 30 energy cloud bug

[buoyant cosmos]

?

It's working as intended

[green star]

Thats intended?

I thought I saw people say it was a bug

nvm then lol

[buoyant cosmos]

The buff doesn't start counting down while you're in the cloud and lasts for 10 seconds once you leave it / it despawns

[green star]

ah I missunderstood then

ty

[light dune]

wait so you still need to touch cloud cover ideally or does it reset the duration when the smoke goes away

[buoyant cosmos]

It refreshes each time you step back into it

[lone surge]

Ok

[light dune]

ok so you still hold AR until pack is gathered at the spot of a pull then yes?

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah

I think I saw zac saying he'll just PS and then KS during the gather

[light dune]

kk

[buoyant cosmos]

You can check his vods / vids to confirm that if you want

[light dune]

Yeah I think i saw similar

[little crypt]

leveling a rogue from 80-90. planning on playing outlaw at 90..should i level as outlaw or is sub easier to level?

[green star]

Prob just play outlaw and get familiar with it

[little crypt]

thx

[tame zealot]

hey! is there any recommended places to bonus roll for a fresh 90 naked character? (there might be already and i failed to find it so sorry if that's the case)

[inner yacht]

POS +10

[green star]

Pit is where you want to be

[inner yacht]

if u can get there

[tame zealot]

thanks

do i want to put my loot to another spec to get the dagger as offhand too?

[green star]

Yeah

sin or sub doesnt matter

[inner yacht]

the dagger is bis oh but you might want to prio the other pieces if u can get another dagger easly

[tame zealot]

but i think if i start rolling on outlaw and switch to sub it will reset the loot table to full

[silver venture]

do we fw aug evokers

[tame zealot]

so i have to decide before starting to roll if that's the case

[silver venture]

first time gonna be doing key with one

[green star]

it only adds the dagger to the pool and its bis, youre not gonna find a easier weapon anywhere else

[tame zealot]

yep i'll just roll on sub then, thanks for the tips

[green star]

Even if you misss on dagger, pit is still full of bis loot

np

[inner yacht]

every piece is good

[tame zealot]

just got to remember to switch to outlaw for great vault and to sub for rolls

[inner yacht]

only one meh is cape

[green star]

Cape is same stats as our bis one

just different spread

Capes still v good

[inner yacht]

cape has vers no?

[green star]

Yeah vers is good

[inner yacht]

u prob want haste pieces especially early

[fossil lintel]

A dagger on offhand if worth more than an extra 9 ilvls on offhand? Damn

[glass mortar]

its worth like 30 ilvls now a day

maybe a bit more

[green star]

I mean yeah haste is always good, but im just saying getting a basically bis cape isnt bad

[tame zealot]

whaaat? xD

[fossil lintel]

Yeah I got a myth track main hand and was checking replacing my offhand hero dagger with the crafted mainhand

[inner yacht]

dagger is more zero in procs which is very high value

[glass mortar]

oh well ur also probably dropping an embelishment in that sim unless u have one in another slot (or substituted)

[tame zealot]

that's insane for it to be this strong but we can't roll need on daggers xD

[fossil lintel]

I already replaced the embellish yea

Otherwise replacing the MH was worse as well

But moving the embellish to ring and replacing main hand was a gain

[glass mortar]

yup a dagger is like a solid 1% + ahead of a slow weapon oh this expac

[fluid meadow]

pog, i dont care about mounts btw but this seems good

[glass mortar]

which is a substantial amount of ilvls on the oh

[fossil lintel]

Guess I just need to bonus roll the pos dagger this week

[fluid meadow]

easy mount easy highroll?

[blissful gate]

my vault really needs to stop trying to make undreamt visage a thing