outlaw

[blissful zinc]

If u correctly shuffle loaded dice and kir i think u are chilling no?

[slim hare]

thats why they complain

and push for haste

[bronze badge]

And what is your crit cap?

[slim hare]

40

[digital gale]

yeah 40

[slim hare]

not a cap

[bronze badge]

40 okay thx

[glass mortar]

u arent maxing out adr value though....

haste is valuable up to ~25% for more then just energy

[bronze badge]

Problem its this fk trinket x)

[slim hare]

but thats where other stat get equal or better

[glass mortar]

you are not getting max gcd reduction in AR with 18%

[blissful zinc]

Ye im not saying its optimal I have recently started playing my rogue again

[glass mortar]

ye, haste helps with energy but a fair chunk of its value is also scaling AR gcd, wanna make sure you get it up to 22% or so just for that

[digital gale]

anyway i still want the HO double hit proc back... just for personl preference haha

[gentle lotus]

Quick qn....inread pit of saron is a good place to spend our bonus rolls. If we already have a mythic version of a gear eg the bracer....is it possible for the bonus rolls to give me a bracer? Or will ot be excluded

[blissful zinc]

Btw is bte reset bugged at some raid bosses or am i hallucinating

[digital gale]

rng

[bronze badge]

Saron is the house

[slim hare]

why it takes times to reset ?

[blissful zinc]

Ye and sometimes i dunno it just feels wrong

[slim hare]

yeah its bad but not bugged

projectile needs to hit for the reset

[hollow bloom]

Haste should increase projectile speed!

[slim hare]

and big bosses you not inside them so it happens

[gentle lotus]

House?

[blissful zinc]

Explains that voracious fker

[digital gale]

Wait so im wasnt crazy, in tww the reset happened on cast or i wrong?

[slim hare]

its only the apex talent

ace works the same

so your not wrong

[bronze badge]

It was with the rogue that I saw the impact of addons like ElvUI and Invisible Input Lag on procs and combo points; I had the impression of a bug, and since I removed 3/4 of them, I no longer have this problem.

[bronze badge]

Best spot

[digital gale]

i see that explain why sometimes i waste a builder cuz no reset and 0.5s later it reset lol

[slim hare]

still insane lag on cp even without addon there is delay

[gentle lotus]

Yes but if i already hv some of the items in mythic will it drop again? if it does then im wasting 1 roll right?

[slim hare]

that wasnt there in tww

[blissful zinc]

Wait what

[bronze badge]

Yes he can

[digital gale]

it should be but if i remenber correctly it gonna drop 1 time.

[blissful zinc]

If it dropped from bonus roll it shouldnt drop again (unless blizzard lied again)

[digital gale]

i was so lucky the other day, 2 rolls in PoS and get the Dagger and Ring

now i have fear haha

[blissful zinc]

I got the shit trinket from mythic chimaerus 🥲

[slim hare]

same

[digital gale]

that hurts

[blissful zinc]

Wasnt going to roll but my dipshit homies in disc peer pressured me

Something about playing outlaw and not rolling the dice

I had to do it

[slim hare]

i was going to roll anyway

and ofc i didnt get refund

blizzard employee have 2 digit iq

[blissful zinc]

I got refunded on my warrior 💀

I think if u rolled first 2 days u get refunded

[slim hare]

nop

rolled second dAY

[blissful zinc]

Huh

[slim hare]

only first

[bronze badge]

For those using ElvUI (I have a big PC), you have CPU processes at 350% which generates input that saturates your main core. I sometimes felt like I was playing with 100ms response time. Since I started using Ellesmer, I no longer have this problem

[digital gale]

i mean technically is a great boss to roll cuz u can get 3 items ( Gaze, Wraist & Tier set) but like any other boss or m+ u can still getting the shit item u.u

[blissful zinc]

I have crafted waist + myth chest thats why i didnt want to roll

[slim hare]

justg imagine you rolled firsty day in pit and got lucky

you could have 4 item in the same week

[blissful zinc]

Damm might switch then

[slim hare]

while people like me got 0

seems fair blizzard

[digital gale]

oh yeah no high value there, next time just ignore them

[blissful zinc]

Now i have to commit for gaze 💀

[bronze badge]

At Saron I got a necklace, dagger, and ring the same week, he's the boss

[blissful zinc]

Nah im tripping i have hero gaze already we go saron

[slim hare]

that what im talking about

[blissful zinc]

Sheesh

[slim hare]

that just not fair

good for you

but fuck blizzard

[digital gale]

yeah go Saron hero gaze is really op

[blissful zinc]

Im so lucky i bought it off a guy with 300k

[digital gale]

oh

damm i really want to have that money

[bronze badge]

I'm at 0.5% usage now, that's incredible

[digital gale]

im playing at 100ms all the time and dont use ElvUI lmao haha

thanks god i never use it

[bronze badge]

https://tenor.com/view/tap-on-the-shoulder-ray-perry-seal-team-s5e12-good-luck-bro-gif-24507795

[novel isle]

yo post a screenshot of your UI

might give it a try if it looks dope

[foggy cove]

does blade rush buff apply to on use trinkets

[fathom bramble]

no

it's all class skills and autoattacks

[rocky kiln]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[rotund depot]

Is it worth to hold AR for a few globals to guarantee double supercharged bte

[dusky onyx]

where should we be spending our bonus rolls if we dont do mythic raid? any dungeon better then others to put them in?

[gaunt phoenix]

if AR is ahead of bte by 1 finisher, it's fine

more than that it starts to not be worth

[rotund depot]

Ty king

[gaunt phoenix]

pit of saron has the most loot we can use

[rotund depot]

Thought I stumbled across something about it in the apl but wasn’t sure if there was a general rule for number of globals it’s okay to hold

[dusky onyx]

the goat

rapid fire answering questions lol

[rotund depot]

Been having a good time with outlaw in keys and wanna get a better understanding of the spec

[gaunt phoenix]

the apl holds bte for AR not the other way around

[rotund depot]

Ah

Makes sense

[lime lake]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kylo-ren-traitor-1--k01KQ8TWPZ1VJEXBHMCF6M23P92

[gaunt phoenix]

if AR cd is < 30s then you do hold bte

[supple carbon]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[rotund depot]

You with the fence-sitter name color

HOW DARE

[lime lake]

i do enjoy fences

i actually originally became salmon because i was tired of being called a yellow name

then i stopped playing outlaw though so

[rotund depot]

This…is incredible

Actually I think I originally joined RH playing outlaw in SL lol

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel do i even bother filling my m+ vault?

just gunna take mythic gaze tomorrow cuh...

feels like a waste of time......

[shadow trellis]

Is there a way to look at class resources + cooldowns (and buffs?) with a cast timeline when looking at logs?

[glass mortar]

nope

u can see casts of cooldowns, u cant see when they came off cooldown tho

the closest u can get is u can add each of those things solo to graphs above and try to align them using timers but its rough

reading outlaw logs suks

[shadow trellis]

yepp :D

[shadow trellis]

i see thanks

[mighty orchid]

Hey guys, i'm new to rogue and i've just done a +10 with 238 ilvl and my overall was 56k. I know it's nowhere to be good but I wanted some insight if it was decent relative to my ilvl.

[vivid vessel]

Ye don't bother

I'm in the same case

Since I'm taking beloren trinket anyway

[tender wedge]

kinda shocked you got into a 10 that way tbh

[mighty orchid]

Tbf i had a group of friends

[tender wedge]

56k seems...not bad at all for 238?

[lime lake]

that ilvl is just really low yeah

seems like thats a fine overall for it

[mighty orchid]

Thank you very much ! Since I don't know the class I just wanted some info relative to the ilvl but yeah it's very low haha

[zenith root]

If I miss the chance to hit an opportunity or between the eyes proc for a 1 gcd or 2 is it a big deal that I hit it a little late? This goes specifically if I'm distracted from let's say raid mechanics

[dim parrot]

Bois

Odds I can pug mythic beloren this season

[fair charm]

You are only “stressed” to spend opportunity procs if you have 6 stacks. If you miss a bte, it’s worse, especially if it was a supercharged point, but just send it next time you have 6/7. bte is top finisher though.

[vivid vessel]

[zenith root]

Thanks, I try aim to prioritize but Im still getting used to the spec

[dim parrot]

Any outlaws streaming rn

[tender wedge]

woxtoxic is

[dim parrot]

Has he played outlaw

This season

[bitter fable]

Is this a big brain spec? Should I stick to another class?

[fathom bramble]

just because it is big brain doesn't meean you can't play it

at least give it a shot

[shadow trellis]

You have everything you need to learn it in here

its going to come down to exposure and muscle mind memory

getting used to reacting and making decisions based on your resources

its quite advanced but you should definitely give it a shot^^

[lean shadow]

is it worth to run grand melee on paladins?

[dim parrot]

I’m not at PC anyone know what the % dps is from mythic plume to heroic plume

-ish

[shut lichen]

wish I could tell you if I had one

[weary fog]

GM yes

U can drop dancing steel tho

[twilit axle]

Man trying to get out of 15 hell as a solo rogue is cancer

[supple carbon]

During AoE, if Flurry is ending in 1-2 secs, and BtE is in procing streak, should i keep BtEing or should i Flurry even if it will overcap my combo points?

[keen belfry]

never let tha tthing fall off cuh

[tender wedge]

Yeah. He usually plays outlaw from what I’ve seen no matter how it’s tuned

[keen belfry]

dw ill stream soon

[dim parrot]

Yeh I seen he playing outlaw now. He was playing assa this season and TWW s2 that’s why I didn’t n ow

[keen belfry]

dw spooge

[twilit axle]

Dead class

[dim parrot]

Plz Awang

Stuns

What ilvl are y

[twilit axle]

279 in Outlaw gear and 280 in Sub gear. Hard capped on crests

next week we rise

[dim parrot]

Bro get some half brain dead Andy’s in ur key and push it

[twilit axle]

I know its a 15 pit and I just want my last two for resil

[supple carbon]

then overcap points with flurry and ingore BtE proc > keep BtEing ?

[twilit axle]

Xenas and Academy

[dim parrot]

Don’t even need resil u can pug 17+ with ur gear I bet

Like dps wise

The damage output is crazy rn

Also 15 is harder than 17 cuz players are worse

[twilit axle]

Yeah It's been rough. I agree Outlaw has felt really good outside of the awkwardness of the builder/spender logic.

[keen belfry]

overcapping is normal now

[dim parrot]

Forget resil just push

[keen belfry]

u builld at 5 combo points

[frail veldt]

flurry does so much damage

yeah I slam it at 5cp lowkey

though I wonder if theres possibility that you can do a rule where you finisher at 5cp if its a dispatch if your bf would be off cd

[supple carbon]

ok i was worried about that, trying to figure this out.

[frail veldt]

thoughts?

[twilit axle]

Everytime I have pushed my key I get people that should be qualified and healer shits the bed or there is a dps in a 16 that doesnt have interrupt on their bar somehow in 16s

[supple carbon]

thx for the help @keen belfry

[twilit axle]

Next week I think it's big time push. Prayge for good outlaw vault and blast

MH weap would be big

[dim parrot]

I need too

[twilit axle]

I have 2 Myth vault slots this week and I prayge Salad Bar is kind

[dim parrot]

Burnt 3 on nexus this week gonna try again tomo

Anyone have mythic plume yet

I’ll do anything

[keen belfry]

im stremaing spookge

sppoogge

might just be 1 key

[dim parrot]

Bro hell ya

[tender wedge]

Oh I forgot to try figure which addon is breaking my bar

[long bramble]

would you flask haste?

[dim parrot]

Awang that funny

Idk how some people pug so high

Without brains

No one home

[keen belfry]

just unluckyh

tank did his best to brick taht key

and eventually did

[tender wedge]

your original advice that i ignored got the bar working again @keen belfry , literally just had to change font and back again and now it's fine so ???

[near osprey]

do you have to use your rerolls weekly before the reset or will they stack until next week so i can have 4 in total?

[tender wedge]

you only have a weekly cap not a total cap so you're fine to stack em up

[keen belfry]

i bet u had some weird addon messing with font

[tender wedge]

well

[keen belfry]

addons are weird with shared textures

maybe it was mine

[tender wedge]

i actually disabled EVERYTHING except wangbar

and it still wouldn't work lol

so idk

[near osprey]

so im literally not forced to do keys right now? i can just hold them right and use them tomorrow and have 4

[tender wedge]

yeah

just thought i'd let you know in case it comes up again

[dim parrot]

Surprise no tuning thiss week

Was that expected

[keen belfry]

I wonder if you got your font from a diff addon, but either way good to know

[dim parrot]

I thought dev unholy nerfs but idk

[keen belfry]

Apooge that key was getting cranked

Why brick?

[quaint wharf]

anyone know if u can cloak the vanguards heal absorb

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry how much overall did u do on ur 20 skyreach

[tender wedge]

using Expressway which im pretty sure is part of LibSharedMedia (?), hadn't changed anything, just broke on patch day but eh we figured it out

[outer meteor]

i missed timer by 2 sec doin 169k

my fault?

[keen belfry]

Like 162 our route was bad

Everyone’s was low

Or maybe wasn’t bad route just wasn’t high dmg roure

And I turned off blade flurry for stuff

Like I lost to tank first boss

[outer meteor]

ok then maybe not my fault

[keen belfry]

U just wanted to flex ur dps

Respect

[outer meteor]

noty really

[keen belfry]

Overall bad metric

I could’ve done more in my key and it would’ve slowed down the key

[outer meteor]

yea

i think

we didnt time because we did 0 wall pulls

so war did tank dmg on boss

[keen belfry]

I hear they are getting fixed

Might’ve just been yap

[outer meteor]

i also couldve done more on last boss

might ve been worth 2 sec

i need to stop targeting the fucking bird

such bait

[keen belfry]

naw u gott target it

that shit lives

and u dont do 2 target cleave

[outer meteor]

i feel like 1st one tho

on lust

no shot i need

to target

[buoyant stratus]

Fixing wall pulls fixing all snaps no fun alllowd

U will hold w

And u will like iy

[keen belfry]

is everyoe fixed?

every one

[bitter fable]

Is the pay off worth it though?

[buoyant stratus]

We"ll find out tommorow

Ik they fixing wind ele snaps in alg

And adding 1 min to timer

[keen belfry]

reach will need time adjustment

[outer meteor]

^

[buoyant stratus]

Probs

[outer meteor]

or maybe its just a fury key

to make up for it

[keen belfry]

like timers tight in +20 with basically -2 pulls

if u cant pul onto boss in reache ye probs

[dim parrot]

Yeah looked like a 12

I think

I should watch mythic beloren vid so I can make pug and ninja plume

[outer meteor]

great idea

[frail veldt]

Meanwhile half the ground effects still don't work on stairs

Or half the floors in skyreach

[upbeat tundra]

is there any way to make it so when i hit adrenaline rush it doesn't feel like im in silent hill

can i make it less aids

[frail veldt]

Particle density lower helps

[green star]

For On Use/Combat Potions, when do we use them in our opener?

[trim harbor]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[nova sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27443459

[stable nest]

https://tenor.com/view/alklfg-gif-721835464026835118

[glass quartz]

if no reset on bte and still have 1 charged finisher should i spend it on dispatch or KS?

[frail veldt]

I think KS is technically higher prio finisher than dispatch

regardless of SC afaik

[glass quartz]

does it actually do enough damage or we just use it for the buffs?

like for example towards the end of a damage amp phase is it worth to press or should i dispatch?

[frail veldt]

it does more damage per execute time than dispatch I believe

not by much but its more

[glass quartz]

so it is still worth to press good to know

[frail veldt]

I think it might be a case of this being a very small rule

that might be not a huge impact either way

[glass quartz]

at least it's not dog shit compared to dispatch i guess

[dim parrot]

If u can hit prep and bte again

[hollow bloom]

Always forget KS is even a button to press. Been spamming pit and i feel like its not worth half the time.

[tacit salmon]

what buff do you guys take in algethar?

[hollow bloom]

Usually crit, but if you have energy issues id choose haste.

[tacit salmon]

what's our haste target btw

[tender wedge]

~25% it seems, but some like to go higher 😮

[hollow bloom]

I got 30% but im a slut for haste

[tacit salmon]

damn im not even close what

[hollow bloom]

With haste flask mind you.

[hollow bloom]

Probably adjust a craft or get one different slot and then chug a haste flask and should be fine.

[fluid meadow]

u have 3 bad items just fix those

[tacit salmon]

with what crests T.T

but yes i need to change cape helm

[fluid meadow]

head&feet i see your belt is myth so maybe that would be a waste to change rn

[tacit salmon]

does anyone like my samira cosplay btw

[tacit salmon]

costs nothing to be polite!

[cinder relic]

LOl

I like it

[river wing]

not bad
shame about the pieces having really different detail levels tbh

like the bottom half is just clearly 10 years ahead of the top half

[tacit salmon]

the wow conundrum

[river wing]

yeah

[stable cave]

Is there any way to reduce the visual effects from the cloud cover? Nexus Point left wing is absolutely punishing me.
I’m asking this completely of my own free will and definitely not because my healer friend wants to murder me after I got stunned way too many times.

[river wing]

just hide in the cloud from the friend
problem solved

[dusty blaze]

Particle density to low

[weary goblet]

but then i can't see the enchant glows on my weaps, impossible, we need another solution

[hollow bloom]

Should run a dungeon with the drunk affect active too

[unkempt dew]

How do I know what embellishments I need? Sims says I should go for both weapon embellishments but wowhead says i should go for iris

[warped spruce]

There's about 0% chance Outlaw gets nerfed right?

[river wing]

the chance is never zero
but low

no real point to nerf outlaw when there's like half a dozen specs that are just stronger

[hollow bloom]

“Fart bomb has griefed players so to compensate we will decrease particle effects of the ability proportional to its damage amp.”

[zinc briar]

where did u use bonus rolls if u dont kill Aleria etc on MM

[warped spruce]

They better not

[lavish shoal]

on MM?

bro this is rogue discord

[crystal canopy]

pretty sure it's "mythic mode" in this context

[frozen quest]

outlaw > sub/assa on every boss except mythic bird/paladins/cosmos

[thin fiber]

pit

[sand berry]

I rolled pit while it was bugged and got neck and belt so free

[glass shard]

worth slamming a bonus roll on ehroic chimerus ?

(never getting killed on mythic)

[cinder relic]

Nope!

[glass shard]

ooook

ty for thinking for me !

[river wing]

ngl on heroic there's only gaze
and like
you can probably just get it anyway one way or another

[glass shard]

yea

vault or winning roll vs 25 other ppl

[river wing]

got mine from a chest on cata timewalk week lmao

[glass shard]

1/25 once a week sounds shit

[cinder relic]

Using 2 bonus rolls is jus so troll for heroic gear

[glass shard]

trinket not that big of a deal then i guess

i have the neck and belt from pos on hero already so i dont feel the pressure too much on getting them on myth

cuz crest locked for them to be 6/6 anyway

[river wing]

hmmm
well I mean
there's two good places to blow bonus rolls in, I feel, after you're done with Pit

Seat and Nexus are probably the best

[glass shard]

pve gearing is sooo fucking annoying man

[river wing]

seat has the best head and decent amount of pieces to catalyze otherwise
nexus has a good ring, a good main hand, but risky otherwise

[glass shard]

pvp gearing gaps

so hard

[glass shard]

i got this from my week 1 vault

can i still bonus roll into it

[river wing]

yes

bonus rolls only exclude stuff you've explicitly rolled from them

[glass shard]

boring

[vivid vessel]

What a ring

[glass shard]

its the wrong one amigo

[vivid vessel]

I know

Cuckmaster ring

[glass shard]

[vivid vessel]

Would never catch me taking it from vault

[glass shard]

myth ring would never spawn in ur vault anyway

have u even seen a key with double digits?

noob

fk whats that guys name

nvm i ruined the bit

schizoing out

[unkempt dew]

With upcoming reset we can upgrade our tier a bit further right?

[quiet ore]

I took a myth seat set ring from vault (the crit vers one) a few weeks ago - I justify it by saying the avoidance is a useful non-damage bonus

[river wing]

don't think so

[unkempt dew]

Oh huh?

[river wing]

p sure the upgrades 1) come later, like a couple more weeks later 2) only affect weapons/trinkets?

[bleak rune]

!prekey

[icy peak]

2 weeks from tomorrows reset and yes

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[vivid vessel]

Not for rogue it ain't

[vivid vessel]

I got the one from voracius this reset actually

The bis one

Big critta

Get owned !

[glass shard]

wtf u got me

[vivid vessel]

Ye

I'm also getting beloren trinket in vault this upcoming reset

Cause I'm goated like that

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1493009002479751168/image_1.gif

[glass shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1473755087712026929/Medal_zniox62rqU.gif

[vivid vessel]

Another banga by the wang

[glass shard]

@keen belfry what if we kissed ?

[thin fiber]

for prekey now, do we AR>KS>SND or AR>SND?

[glass shard]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[thin fiber]

if we KS, means that we are gonna SND at 1CP?

[weary fog]

KS builds ur CPs back up

[thin fiber]

ahh foolish me.

[weary fog]

youll be able to max CP SND in the bubble if u KS early enough

[thin fiber]

forgotten abt that for a sec, thanks man

[fresh orchid]

hey guys, what is the best way to color CP depending on number of them

[timid portal]

make it different color at 6+

since you always finish 6+ cp as trickster

[fresh orchid]

yy, I was thinking what addon can do that

currently I have sensei resource

is there profile for it maybe

[tender wedge]

Wangbar will do that

Senseis can’t

[keen orbit]

Any graphics on how much dmg increase the different class buffs/aura etc are for rogue in m+

Outlaw

[unique fulcrum]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unique fulcrum]

on the bottom

[thick tartan]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[hot island]

since mastery is just an offhand auto i assume having a dagger in your OH hurts quite a lot no?

[grand shoal]

are we playing around the hidden bullets and BTE in Keys or raid? or are we just sending as they come up

[thick tartan]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[long barn]

Dagger offhand BIS

[river wing]

well, not exactly

mastery is an off-hand attack...that does specific damage unrelated to your offhand's damage

which means it's actually better to have a dagger because

1. mastery doesn't care (and is quite bad anyway)
2. several effects like Zero In and Instant Poison rely on autos hitting, and dagger does more autos

[worldly shale]

My 200 mastery says it doesnt care

[glass shard]

doesnt oh attack also generate energy

[inland acorn]

energy is not affected by OH speed

[river wing]

yeah it's normalized to hell and back, the only things that actually get you more energy are AS/haste buffs, weapon speed doesn't do jack

[river wing]

funny how it happens
combat potency was initially non-normalized and a 1.4/1.5 sword OH was optimal in TBC due to swordspec+combat potency playing well together
then IIRC it was MoP that stratified all weapon speeds and Combat Potency was normalized for slow offhands to be useful
that's the state of affairs for a while I think, until DF or TWW introduced talent synergy with fast OHs once again...except this time there's no fast OHs but daggers

[grim spear]

[river wing]

what's that

are we finally the LEAST played class by far?

what's the source?

[fervent garden]

looks like a graph of my kids fave colors. they do love their orange and pink.

[grim spear]

rio m+ unique class population

plus some excel homework

[river wing]

ah

I wonder how the diff squares with Data for Azeroth's
is there like
a whole third of Rogues that don't run M+?

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[jolly geyser]

rogue a soft plonker class

[formal knot]

imagine if we train all 109 thousand rogues to be zac

[inland acorn]

Now compare it with previous expansion like TWW s3, DF s3

[formal knot]

[inland acorn]

Just to see how many rogues we've lost

[river wing]

p sure TWW s3 would show similar results with Evokers being significantly lower and Priests being slightly higher

[inner yacht]

is monk usually that popular or is just monk tank being good?

[river wing]

brew is v strong

it'd be closer to shaman/priest if it weren't the meta tank

[inland acorn]

there were roughly 128k evokers in TWW S3

and

105k just assa rogues alone

[river wing]

yeah evokers are very fotm

[inland acorn]

Was assa that strong in TWW s3 ?

[river wing]

they don't have a consistent playerbase

[inland acorn]

I cant remember ngl

[river wing]

it was quite good yeah

[river wing]

that sounds wrong btw

[inland acorn]

that's what raiderio shows

in timed keys

[river wing]

26k+61k+89k for all evokers, 49k+69k+110k for all Rogues
so 176k vs 228k totals

timed doesn't matter, set it for total, we're talking popularity

[pastel sierra]

i was also pretty easy if you played bleed

imo

i swapped off outlaw bc i had to hard sweat on outlaw to even get 80% of the numbers i was doing on bleed assa

[hot island]

wait do we manually press slice n dice?

[inland acorn]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

in the opener (if it's not active)

[hot island]

huh

[river wing]

true

[grim spear]

was

[inland acorn]

120k lost

[grim spear]

tww s3

[gaunt phoenix]

it's because it doesnt consume supercharger

so you can spend them on bte

[inland acorn]

Wonder how many of those 120k are fotm rerolls

[gaunt phoenix]

and supercharged bte is very likely to reset

[inland acorn]

and how many just quit rogue/wow

[pastel sierra]

i almost went DK just so i can have a tank off role

[hot island]

i guess that makes sense

[pastel sierra]

(and bc unholy looked insane)

[river wing]

actually very interesting, since DF S4 is also super low for Rogue

[inland acorn]

ye but DF s4 was kinda meme

a lot of people just didn't bother with it i guess

[gaunt phoenix]

DF s4

[river wing]

whew
DF S3 had a total M+ Rogue pop above 4%
crazy

[inland acorn]

4%

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1237499532590452817.webp?size=44

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1219667478787915827.webp?size=44

the great trinket debate

[river wing]

the last big rework patch I guess

holy shit BfA S3 was insane, 7% Rogue pop, like an average class

[inland acorn]

wasnt rework in S3 dff ?

[river wing]

6% during BfA S4, and it's all downhill from there

[inland acorn]

or s2

i can't remember

[river wing]

S3, yeah

[glass heron]

when did they cap BF?

[inland acorn]

shadowlands

s1

[glass heron]

heh

there u go

[inland acorn]

or end of bfa

[fossil cloud]

Yeah "S3" BFA I think

[glass heron]

i mean that can be a reason

"why would i be playing an 8 target capped class when i can spam starfire and top dps"

i mean sub and assa arent

[river wing]

SL S1

[glass heron]

but u know what i mean

[fossil cloud]

For my part yes it is a reason i'm back in Midnight the feels are great but you don't feel the chill of a jackpot without cap making you obliterate a key

[glass heron]

i legit dislike outlaws gameplay atm

i legit want upperhand back and crackshoot

• x2 vanish

that was so much dopamine for me

[river wing]

I don't hate it, it's fun
but it's like riding a bike that's just slightly too big for you, you constantly gotta adjust to things that feel wrong

[glass heron]

tldr df s3 outlaw

peaked for me

[trail sparrow]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[frozen quest]

Sl bonespike necro outlaw was bis

[trail sparrow]

is there an addon/wa for ace procc ?

[glass heron]

u need shared media tho

[trail sparrow]

and its gone xd

[glass heron]

i sent it md

check

[trail sparrow]

ye I remember needing shared media in the old days

got it ty bro

[glass heron]

dunno if i can post that here

[vagrant saddle]

give me legion outlaw or give me death

[river wing]

idk about that bro

[glass heron]

combat rogue

looking strong

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[wintry solar]

Truke

[river wing]

ngl MoP combat is like
very no-frills but flows well
like it's super straightforward and simple, but I can almost understand all the combat lovers/outlaw haters going "outlaw ruined my spec", not because their reasoning is solid (Outlaw is cool and Combat is very nothing style-wise), but because MoP (and I presume WoD) Combat does feel like Blizz actually knew what they wanted to do with it

[inland acorn]

i mean they know what they want to do with outlaw

and its to delete the spec

[glass heron]

outlaw gives ench sham vibes

[wintry solar]

Damn near impossible to have this conversation here

But yeah I agree

Even WoD I feel was pretty smooth

Granted the CP change carried

[grim spear]

how about just remake us into something like Samira
sword and gun combos for stylish S rank plays, then unleash an explosive super ultra giga ks.

[glass heron]

[river wing]

and now ten years later
Rogue got Deathstalker (per-target CP) back
and now Redirect (swap CPs to another target) back

[wintry solar]

How redirect?

Unless you're talking mop

[river wing]

no
Deathstalker legit got an ability
to transfer their DSM stacks to another target without having to proc Darkest Night
it's on CD and it costs energy

[wintry solar]

Interesting

That's neat as a hero tree idea

Deathstalkers are the coolest in world group

[glass heron]

thats coz we were vanishing to ambush

in tww

in order to swap the mark

[wintry solar]

I miss old HO

Before it replaced SS

[tropic zephyr]

I miss dreadblade crackshot

[wintry solar]

Ball knower right here

Coolest version of outlaw never made it live

[low ibex]

How fast is outlaw really to play in an old person with carpal tunnel.

[inland acorn]

its still one of fastest specs in the game

[mighty pivot]

welcome to patch 12.0.5 popo

[river wing]

like 70 APM in perfect conditions? so pretty fast in the current game

[tropic zephyr]

carpal tunnel don't go well with law

[wintry solar]

Thanks Ninjarobot

[inland acorn]

think only few specs have higher/same apm

and thats due to off-gcd casts

[wintry solar]

I only play outlaw so idk what DS has going on

[low ibex]

Ok that’s what I thought I’ll stick to assassination I suppose

Always has been the deterrent for trying it

[inland acorn]

Did blizzard actually give reasoning as to why they just fully removed dreadblades as talent ?

[wintry solar]

No but I imagine because fth/ace resets

[timber knoll]

is KiR really that much better than HO? I feel like I don't get to utilize KiR that much

[inland acorn]

HO is dead

[river wing]

ho is legit dead

[inland acorn]

Those nodes might as well not exist in our talent tree

[river wing]

like six bullets from the pimp dead

[inland acorn]

We're not talking about it being behind by 5-10%

It's like fully dead

[mighty pivot]

ho exists so that the rogue dev can say that the tree is full

[elfin grotto]

hey guys, anyone using any nische autistic ways to absolutely not forget BF and roll the bones? I added them as bars to track but needless to say in heat of moment I completely zone out on those bars 😄

[timber knoll]

fair enough, I like KiR gameplay from before but now it doesn't feel as impactful

[mighty pivot]

that's why they giganerfed it so that nobody picks it

[elfin grotto]

Before I had weakaura that made it quite obv but now no such luxury 🙁

[inland acorn]

you can add alert sound, when buff disappears no ?

in cooldown manager

[wintry solar]

HO is just placeholder for TLT tree

[elfin grotto]

Oh do I do that in the CDM

[river wing]

you can???

holy crap

[elfin grotto]

Didn't know that, that would help a lot thanks! 😄

[river wing]

oho

[inland acorn]

I mean its not really that bad with blade flurry in aoe

[mighty pivot]

in tlt it will be replaced by dreadblades

[inland acorn]

because you're slamming it on cd pretty much anyways

just for the sake of cps

[elfin grotto]

yeah im sleeping more on rtb will def add for that one 😄

[river wing]

TLT will fix Rogue trust

[wintry solar]

Nah they're not that cool. Besides, with ace and fth existing idt it has a place on outlaw anymore

[mighty pivot]

tlt will also make cloud cover have an effect that isn't selfgriefing

[inland acorn]

it should be like old KS weakaura

[wintry solar]

That's believable

[inland acorn]

that just makes your screen black

for duration of it

[gloomy coral]

YEAH WELL, rogues asked for smokebomb back, why arent you happy???

[wintry solar]

Preach

[gloomy coral]

blizzard, 2026 (maybe)

[inland acorn]

[wintry solar]

Me, now

[river wing]

ok let's not go that far
we all know the devs think Rogue players want design that actually introduces more complications than it solves

[wintry solar]

Have you read the forums? A lot of people do actually

And on reddit

Twitter

[inland acorn]

A lot of people

[wintry solar]

A lot of people don't know what they want

[mighty pivot]

rogues complained that gameplay was too easy, so we gave them an ability that makes them sweat about ground effects

[inland acorn]

Are not even playing the game

[river wing]

I wouldn't count Mafic as people

[inland acorn]

And are commenting like they're 0.1%

Mafic is not human, I refuse to believe that

It's GROK in disguise or something

[wintry solar]

Magic is bot confirmed tbh

[inland acorn]

or blizzards Ai

[mighty pivot]

mafic is the most loyal rogue

[inland acorn]

To make it look like forums are not dead

[wintry solar]

Y'know if it werent so cringe being melee I wouldn't really mind it

[river wing]

thankfully we don't have Mafic in the EU

(then again EU forums are half-dead anyway)

[inland acorn]

we have eu forums ?

[mighty pivot]

blizzard doesn't even know eu forums exist

they forgor to pull the plug

[wintry solar]

Google News only gives me EU forums

So annoying

[copper radish]

Vault day boys

Craft day too

[wintry solar]

I stopped looking at Google News, I wonder what's happening

[mighty pivot]

it's not vault day here

[wintry solar]

https://search.app/?link=https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/goodbye-to-the-t-rex-from-jurassic-park-a-new-study-argues-that-it-didnt-run-like-a-giant-reptile-but-with-a-gait-much-more-similar-to-that-of-an-ostrich/articleshow/130510695.cms&utm_source=dsdf,agadiscoversdl,,sh/x/discover/m1/4&utm_campaign=share-sdl-aga-discover

Oh my God it's over

[glass mortar]

cant wait to equip my new mythic gaze from vault in a few hours

🥰

[wintry solar]

I don't have a vault to open

[copper radish]

Good luck prayers

[mighty pivot]

just bonus roll gaze

[jolly geyser]

vault full of wrists

[glass mortar]

i did, i got the other trinket

spoiler: its not good

🥹

[mighty pivot]

it's not awful for outlaw

[glass mortar]

didnt beat crucible for me

0.1 higher then herioc captains

[inland acorn]

You guys dont have mythic gaze yet ?

Smh

[river wing]

I mean
wrists can be catad into decent outlaw wrists at least
I fear Nomura vault most (rings and belts)

[glass mortar]

so i didnt bother

[mighty pivot]

I bonus rolled gaze but I am at 50+ academy runs for a puzzle box so far. sometimes you win sometimes you lose

[inland acorn]

Why puzzle box ?

For sub ?

[mighty pivot]

I have a guidon but a puzzle box might be good for birb. and for assa for paladins

[inland acorn]

Ah

Bosses I'm benched on anyways

[arctic hollow]

My 6/6 myth oozing remains sims lower than Heroic Feather + Crucible

[inland acorn]

ooze sucks

[glass mortar]

yup

[river wing]

ngl if I get heroic plume, I'm taking it over myth items most likely

[mighty pivot]

it might be bigger upgrade frfr

[tropic zephyr]

I'd like to get my MM gaze next week

wasn't lucky with bonus roll this week

but surely next week is the one

[mighty pivot]

did you get tokens refunded?

[tropic zephyr]

no i didnt kill chim on wednesdy (i'm eu)

[mighty pivot]

I mean you can still kill it on wednesday as eu

region is irrelevant in this case

[tropic zephyr]

in eu only people that used token wednesday got their refund

as tuesday it was fixed

[mighty pivot]

that's me

got gaze, got 2 tokens back

[tropic zephyr]

op op

[mighty pivot]

literally the first time raiding on reset day felt beneficial

[tropic zephyr]

blizzard triple fucked up with that one really

[hot island]

how big of a % is BTE on your damage meter in m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

like 11%

it's 2nd behind blade flurry

blade flurry >> bte / br >> the rest

[mighty pivot]

i mean this patch was bad enough for them to bother with an apology post

[tropic zephyr]

a friend used 3 bonus on patch day (2 from quests + 1 from vault)

so he got 3 bonus roll refund

rofl

[gaunt phoenix]

said it before but there's something seriously wrong with character states. you can relog and deal different damage

that should not even remotely be possible

[wintry solar]

The bad seed meme is real?

[glass mortar]

i had good RtB rng seed last night

i had 2 2buffs and zero 1 buffs and all 3 buffs/jackpots for an entire caverns 10

i'll share it but u guys cant tell anyone

[hot island]

alright cheers

definitly still struggeling a bit with using stuff correctly

[placid ocean]

AI slop code truly is a thing of wonder

[copper radish]

Is this just regular maintenance today or is it extra time

[mighty pivot]

is this some tinfoil hat conspiracy theory or did you find anything suspicious

[timber knoll]

what's the consensus on the new RTB gameplay? lowkirk I am really mixed on it, I don't miss having shit rolls ruining your gameplay but also just pressing it on CD basically isn't as fun

[glass mortar]

i mean low rolls still do ruin ur gameplay

try playing on 1 buff for longer then a minute and watch all ur dreams melt away

its definitly the most user friendly RtB we've had in terms of rules tho

very very simple to play around

which unfortunatly made kir feel a bit more boring

[mighty pivot]

new rtb is fine, it just makes it feel really bad if you aren't running KIR because rtb1 is garbo

[copper radish]

1 buff and pressing SS to get 1 combo point is so lovely

[gaunt phoenix]

both, it's tinfoil in that i've seen a few people talk about it, but i saw it directly on ptr. and it was not details, it was the displayed dmg number

[random stirrup]

If you remind me later today I can get the log where our ele relogged halfway through our raid night and did like 30% more damage for the rest of the night

Also want to confirm it myself tbh

[mighty pivot]

relogging is the new meta. we had the auto attack coin bug, now paladins have their beacon bug

[crystal canopy]

time to find a macro/script to run and relog until we get the good character seed

[gaunt phoenix]

i was testing fatebound heads stuff and my garrote damage was absolutely different on relog

fucked up

[tropic zephyr]

blizz never needed AI for their code to behave in the weirdest possible ways

[crystal canopy]

like the good old black temple days where you could relog until you knew Illidan would drop a warglaive

or reset instance*

[placid ocean]

This is true, but now they also have AI slop code. Double whammy

[tropic zephyr]

meh

[mighty pivot]

so the heads bonus carried over? Was the buff up when logging out was that irrelevant?

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think any buff was active

[mighty pivot]

failbound is just a bug magnet

[gaunt phoenix]

just mentioned why i was on ptr

[tropic zephyr]

they hard coded “Some days you’ve got it, some days you don’t”

[mighty pivot]

you know how in dota2 they had those "spring cleaning" patches fixing many issues? Maybe they should consider that for wow at this point. instead of unfinished content just to say they released something

[gaunt phoenix]

you mean we dont need 4 different types of events/incursions/rituals/assaults for voidlight marl?

[tired rune]

lmao

[mighty pivot]

how about the decor duel that uses ascii art in tooltips for readability

[radiant wyvern]

prep makes our opener feel so awkward

[gaunt phoenix]

you think so?

i kind of like the guarantee supercharge bte if it doesnt reset

[glass mortar]

idk i love pressing a on gcd button mid ar that does nothing for the gcd u press it

definitly a vibe

[gaunt phoenix]

rip 1 global per 4 minutes...

[glass mortar]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

cant have shit!

[glass mortar]

they said they learned their lesson about on gcd spells that do nothing for that gcd 4 years ago

i will call them out for retreading the same dog design they improved past then forgot about

they should be shamed and embarassed

[gaunt phoenix]

okay

[hardy thicket]

More like 2 because half the time I forget its on GCD and all of sudden I wasted 2 seconds

[radiant wyvern]

take it off gcd take rtb off gcd

[timber knoll]

They called blade flurry hitting dead targets a conspiracy theory too, they doubted u guys, they called u losers that smelled bad. look how that turned out.

Keep digging keep ur third eye open

[tropic zephyr]

I wonder what hidden shit some specs have carried for years unknowingly because they don't have people being as thorough in their testing as RH does

[sturdy ore]

you wasting blade flurry/bte uptime?

[glass mortar]

like atro stacking for an entire expac but almost nobody figuring it out until the end

silly rogues

wait-

theres lots of little values like that in wow tbh

[tropic zephyr]

did that actually happen? rofl

[glass mortar]

micro buffs or temporary amps that probably go untested for years if they arent brand new

[glass mortar]

ye in df

it stacked

[tropic zephyr]

lol i had no idea

[crystal canopy]

didn't it even continue stacking in tww as well until 11.2 or something?

[tropic zephyr]

i actually vividly remember looking at the poison my rogue mate was picking to take the other one

[keen belfry]

🫦

[sturdy ore]

guys if you struggling with keeping blade flurry and other things up all the time, i have cooked the perfect addon for you

[glass mortar]

it was fixed in 11.0

then some later patch broke it again

[agile orchid]

what does this do?

[glass mortar]

and it was stacking again

[mighty pivot]

people don't go out of their way to see if everything works as intended. And atro is visible in the logs, some bugs aren't even visible there (see sleight having 0,5-1,5% difference in rolls compared to what they wanted)

[glass mortar]

but like, who knows when these things break and fix again

its easier to see now a day i suppose because atro shows in logs ye

[sturdy ore]

Read the desc, basically helps you to never forget to check rolls, roll again, recast blade flurry, use bte with only 6+ combo points when having procs on it

[mighty pivot]

reading is banned in outlaw channel

[fleet cloud]

Is there any setting/addon/command to remove the weird delay on my generators? Stg it feels like I’m playing a second behind 0-o

[agile orchid]

sure, but how does it help you? Like does it play a sound if you don't have a roll?

[sturdy ore]

yup, plays a sound of your choice, and also text alert on screen

[gaunt phoenix]

can try adjusting your spell queue setting

[agile orchid]

I'll take a look, but it seems like your addon is unlisted

[sturdy ore]

and a bunch of customization too

[agile orchid]

I can't find it on curseforge

[fleet cloud]

Ty!

[sturdy ore]

its unlisted, planning to release in the next hours

[tropic zephyr]

idk how they manage to break shit they fixed all the time, like either they're really negligent with their non regression tests or the only way to test their game is to actually load up a server and get in there

[gaunt phoenix]

is the AI icon a requisite to be enabled on curseforge

[sturdy ore]

cooking some conditions for RTB + KIR so you can almost never fail with rolls

[glass mortar]

well

it might be easier then it sounds

sometimes they just forget to push changes from previous patches to the new ptr patch for w/e reason

[agile orchid]

so it's like that old WA we were using? https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[glass mortar]

then they dont catch that

then they push the ptr to live

[radiant wyvern]

it's a global usually during something very juicer, it's not a big deal, just awkwardness on top of what we already deal with

[inner meadow]

goated wa

[glass heron]

nope sadly

[glass mortar]

probably as shrimple as that for many bugs

[glass heron]

i miss it so much

[inner meadow]

i miss the angelic sound effect when getting a god roll

[glass heron]

yep

[sturdy ore]

yes exactly, minus the part where it tells you to reroll if you have a bad roll. thats not possible anymore

[tropic zephyr]

yeah I've always thought there's something seriously wrong with the way they handle their versions

[inland acorn]

When does sound play tho ? Is it like with cdm when GCD is ready or ?

[sturdy ore]

It plays in certain conditions

[inland acorn]

Cuz thats annoying part mostly with setting alert for bte in cdm

That it plays when GcD is ready not when reset happens

So it sounds like delay

[agile orchid]

I set a sound to play when RTB runs out and it plays each time I press the button

[inland acorn]

Ye the cdm leaves a lot to desire...

[sturdy ore]

Yup, to fix that you add a internal timer after you cast roll the bones, and it counts down basically 30 seconds, and tells you to check roll buff 5 seconds before it expires

i'm trying to perfect the RTB logic so it won't be annoying

[clever wasp]

@vivid vessel there is a chance im going outlaw instead of devourer on lura, what talents cuh

[sturdy ore]

addin internal timers for every condition even with KiR extending the buff and such

[agile orchid]

I miss the old WAs...

[keen belfry]

Hexr make a custom icon

[sturdy ore]

wdym

[keen belfry]

For curseforge

[inland acorn]

pretty sure he played aoe trickster

[sturdy ore]

but its custom wdym

[inland acorn]

might be wrong tho

[copper radish]

Does this play a sound too

[inland acorn]

these talents he showed 2 days ago

idk if he changed since then

[sturdy ore]

this is just testing for the conditions, but every of the 3 spells that are present in the addon rn have a sound, that you can change separately

[agile orchid]

how about bte, what does it do? Does it just play a sound when bte is available?

[river wing]

funky, that's what I was running also

[sturdy ore]

plays the sound only if BTE is having a proc and you have enough CP for it

that means 6 or more

so you know when to press a builder, so you don't waste damage throwing a procced BTE with 5 cp

[inland acorn]

Interesting, happy to test and play with a bit when you release it

[agile orchid]

is it possible to have different sounds for these 2 scenarios?

[sturdy ore]

100%

[agile orchid]

not having to look at the combo point bar will be great

[inland acorn]

Also does your addon allow you to select custom sounds, or only stock ones from Blizz ?

[sturdy ore]

something like "Builder"

[sturdy ore]

yup, got some from my side, and you can use alerts from any addon that has sounds because it uses Libsharedmedia

like everything :)) even these

[inland acorn]

[sturdy ore]

theres a lot of sounds to choose from, especially if you have a lot of addons cause they gather there in the list

[jagged plover]

zac aura gapping

[wide heath]

guys is your offhand breaking super fast ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, daggers just naturally break faster

cuz they attack more

and our attack speed is like 184%

[radiant dock]

[wide heath]

damn, thats annoying 😄

[copper radish]

Addon on curse?

[elfin grotto]

Does anyhone know if the TargetedSpells addon also shows big generic casts in dungeons, that are not specifically focusing you? 😄

[sturdy ore]

Not yet, might release v1 very soon like max 3h or so

its on curse but its unlisted

[glass shard]

vibe coded

unxdd

[copper radish]

Will def check it out later. Could use some reminders missing my old WAs some days lol

[sturdy ore]

I'll let you know when its up

[copper radish]

i like how there are 100+ people sitting infront of the vault and its not even updated yet lol

[glass shard]

vault isnt til tomorrow

[elfin grotto]

I'll def try this tonight bro, thanks

[glass shard]

:/

[sturdy ore]

minmaxing

[sturdy ore]

thank you too!

[glass heron]

as blizzard patches?

[glass shard]

hope not

[glass heron]

haha

[glass shard]

download addon randomly all ur gone missing

[sturdy ore]

even blizzard vibe codes cmon

[glass shard]

yea and u know how that turned out

lol

[glass heron]

i mean, its not the same to vibecode and entire patch

than making a small addon tbf

[tropic zephyr]

This whole "blizzard vibe coded so quality deceased" thing does not make sense

They just don't play their game

Or test it

[glass shard]

play 10 games of solo shuffle and you'll see the real issue

(the entire mage class)

[tropic zephyr]

The schedule to launch 12.0.5 was tight and they just didn't do the work needed to release a patch that big

[inner yacht]

i dont think this is a realistic view. they prob do no have enough people for a real qa and to invest resources in everything.

[glass shard]

yea such crazy things as clicking the bonus roll one time

[inland acorn]

"invest resources"

Bro

They're not

[tropic zephyr]

Bro not one thing was functional on release

[inland acorn]

small indie company

They literally have not tested

Single thing in this patch

Every single feature was broken

And most of those bugs you could catch

With 10 minutes of testing

[glass mortar]

if blizzard doesnt have the resources to do true QA then i weep for everyone else in the gaming industry

[tropic zephyr]

They never test, they even ask us to play more PTR so they have free QA

[glass shard]

ill agree that no blizzard team has the qa testing power of several million players

but the bar isnt tremendously high lol

[inland acorn]

That's true

But

That's not an excuse

To not test at all

Because they clearly didnt test shit for this patch

Just threw it, pushed release

and hands in the air

[inner yacht]

im saying that the dev team does not have the resources not that the company doesnt have. like when u say vibe coded and ai an shit you push the blame on the devs

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/puOw6hQMapO.gif

[inner yacht]

i doubt its just the devs doing bad job

and more like an overall company policy thing

[keen belfry]

if ihave to take tokens agian this week

might delete rogue

[glass heron]

Its never the devs

[glass shard]

https://tenor.com/1ua2iCGfAo.gif

please tokens

[glass heron]

its investors/etc fault

[glass shard]

we need a wow sourcecode leak

[glass heron]

like always

[glass shard]

that shit gotta be a disaster

[glass shard]

real

[inland acorn]

While I'm not saying its like full 100% fault of devs

[glass shard]

bro qwik was like

[prisma horizon]

This’ll make 3 weeks in a row for me

[inland acorn]

At some point we also gotta start asking questions

[glass shard]

we need to fire the whole team

[inland acorn]

Because

At the end of the day

[glass shard]

XD

[inland acorn]

Devs are coding

Not suits

And the quality is just not here

So

[copper radish]

Now you can buy an extra bonus roll for that roll to still not be the item u need

[inland acorn]

We've also gotta start to question their competency

[unkempt dew]

When will we get the buff we deserve?

[keen belfry]

i wont let it be my 3rd week in a row of tokens

it wont be

[glass shard]

have u logged in this week

[placid ocean]

They have the resources, but why would they do QA when their playerbase already pays to do QA for them

[glass shard]

outlaw is busted

[unkempt dew]

Haha i did

[glass shard]

completely unpunished as well

who has canceled their sub because of the mid tier patch

(3 dudes, unrelated)

[glass mortar]

it kept me from making the mistake of re-upping my sub but yea

i mean they learned years ago that wow players will literally pay to do qa for them in alpha and beta

[placid ocean]

At this point it's the norm for live service games, unfortunately

[glass mortar]

its just more annoying because they often dont even fix these bugs despite them being reported by the player QA

[wintry solar]

Makes beta feel like advertising

[inland acorn]

Because it is

[glass shard]

ive logged onto beta one time

saw i had to redo m y binds

and never looked at it again

dont care sorry

[keen belfry]

orri ur billie eilsish? right?

[wintry solar]

It's not suppose to be

[glass shard]

yea

[keen belfry]

sick

[glass shard]

bad guy or whatever

[inland acorn]

I know, but Blizzard clearly don't or doesn't care

[sturdy ore]

billie eyelashes

[glass shard]

any of u wanna hmt on leagues?

i need 2 justi peices and 2 scythes still

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

youve got to be kidding me again!

[glass mortar]

thats what u get for zero delves in vault

karma strikes again

[glass heron]

#1 delve hater here

[keen belfry]

like do i have to take guidon for crown and belo?????

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel

[keen belfry]

lifes not fair

fuck ryldld

[long bramble]

w vault?

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[glass mortar]

w

[keen belfry]

part of m wants to spam skyreach for that dungy

[long bramble]

wanna do my 17? kek

[keen belfry]

i wish

[copper radish]

why are my hero crests stuck at 600 season max?

dont they go up weekly lol

[maiden lagoon]

Try relogging if you were online when the weekly reset happened

[copper radish]

Yeah that worked

Already maxed now ty champion crests lol

[twilit axle]

Fucking BIG

[mighty pivot]

huge ring

[twilit axle]

That is what I took for sure......

[sturdy ore]

TAKE RING

1 in a milion chance

[proven ocean]

Why is that ring big

[sturdy ore]

its not :))