outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[stoic topaz]

What about that one boss fight in voidspire with the two dragons?

[silent crow]

Yep

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are cleaving them then you bf

otherwise you dont cleave at all

45% dmg loss

[stoic topaz]

When I’ve done runs there’s times where I feel like they’re ranked too far apart

Tanked*

[gaunt phoenix]

when they are both on the ground ur tank should get them close

but sometimes you cant cleave them sure

[silent crow]

In p3 you cleave em yeah

[stoic topaz]

Ok gotcha

When you guys raid do you prioritize single target talents? It feels like adds die pretty quick to not justify aoe builds

[gaunt phoenix]

for heroic, yes it is ST except dragons and vanguard

[wintry leaf]

So no Deadly Pursuit now? Does Fast Action ever make sense to take?

[molten pond]

I dont understand how tricks work with the one hour buff ? Do I use it once at the beginning and it's over ? or everypull still ?

[keen epoch]

So i am new here, can i just ask question freely or is there any rules i should follow:)?

[gaunt phoenix]

you use it once, you have 30s to generate threat, then after that it lasts for an hour

[molten pond]

but for the next pull I am fine ?

[cinder relic]

Ask whatever u want but if it's super simple stuff you should check out the FAQ or wowhead guide first

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[wintry leaf]

@molten pond it seems buggy to me too. Sometimes it stays for a hour, sometimes it falls off

[gaunt phoenix]

it is thought that the 5% stamina is doing more for you than deadly pursuit

fast action is not worth the point

[inland meteor]

it doesnt show up on the tank after the first 30 seconds, its on your buffs only

[stoic topaz]

What’s the tricks thing? A talent we take for tricks of the trade?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's part of the trickster tree to make tricks last 1 hour instead of 6 seconds

[stoic topaz]

Oh shit I didn’t know it had a 1 hr feature now

I’m super new to using trickster lol

[delicate scroll]

guys is any on eu deathwing or connected server that can craft the agility sword at 285ilvl?

[gaunt phoenix]

not the place for that

[quaint mauve]

😭

this is not trade chat

[stoic topaz]

Do you track the new cloud buff and stay in it for like 9 seconds and step out to extend for 10 more sec?

[delicate scroll]

i ve been trying 3 days..sorry for that 🙂

[inland meteor]

damn how dead is your server

maybe its time for a transfer

[quaint mauve]

low pop servers get a free transfer no?

[vivid vessel]

go alliance to ask a guy

trade chat is faction based

unless they changed it

[weary fog]

U only need to dip back in at the end to extend the buff

[gaunt phoenix]

No you normally just stand it in until it expires

you would dip if you are forced to move out of it

[stoic topaz]

Oh so you don’t need to leave the cloud at all?

[gaunt phoenix]

no you dont

[stoic topaz]

But to get its benefits you need to be attacking from within?

[unborn turtle]

2hand smoke is fake

[inland meteor]

no once u're in you get the buff for 10 seconds and can move wherever, you refresh the buff by going back in

[gaunt phoenix]

you need the cloud cover buff, which you get from being in the smoke, and it lasts for 10s after you leave the smoke

while u are standing in the smoke the buff just continuously refreshes

[stoic topaz]

Ok so using it for m+ you can just weave in and out to refresh it while dodging mechanics or if tank had to drag the pack

[inland meteor]

ye

[stoic topaz]

Sorry I’m asking so many things lol but another thing I’m struggling with is optimal use of prep. I know to use it when AR, BTE and BR are all on CD. But do you try to delay AR if you already have it going so you can also milk the duration of smoke buff? Or do you just unload it all insta since our CDR brings it back fairly quickly

I feel like writing “delay AR” might be a war crime in here

[gaunt phoenix]

delaying AR for smoke uptime doesnt seem worth it/it's neutral

not expected to meaningfully change your overall dps by the end of the key

so you can vibe it

[keen belfry]

idk im gonna blame u for not rank 1 cuz u said smoke uptime fake

bad smoke time procs

i think next tier set is gonna be random procs of smoke, they can call it tootset

[inland meteor]

random procs for fatebound so we can go back

[keen belfry]

mmmm yes

every tim eu proc lucky coin u pass gas

[inland meteor]

hell yea

[keen belfry]

who u picking

gwang

or awang

[inland meteor]

bwang

[keen belfry]

damn

[stoic topaz]

I was on my honeymoon for a couple weeks so I fell really behind from my friends. When I got back I had a myth track weapon in my GV. It wasn’t a dagger but I ended up taking it and just crafted 285 dagger. My main hand is 272. Should I be using my next batch of myth crests to upgrade main hand weapon before crafting another 285 slot with embellishments and stuff like my boots or ring?

[keen belfry]

yes

mainhand weapon is infinte dps

[desert tendon]

awa

[stoic topaz]

How many crests does it cost to go from 1-6?

Like 100?

[gaunt phoenix]

100

[crisp ingot]

20 per level

[stoic topaz]

Damn.

I won’t be able to upgrade a ton before my raid tonight 🙁

Maybe 2 ranks lol

[gaunt phoenix]

WEEKS of honeymoon

bro went to the moon

[stoic topaz]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It was Japan my dude

And it was peak

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[wintry solar]

They put honey on the moon?

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[keen belfry]

awa

[wintry solar]

What da hale

Why they go and do that?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's where honeybears are made

[keen belfry]

what u think was better

[timber knoll]

is there a resource out there that compiles a list of meekauras useable

[keen belfry]

honeymoon with his love of his love or coming back to myth mainhand?

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess https://wago.io/search/imports/wow/m33kauras

[keen belfry]

i cant tell which is better

[keen epoch]

So when i sim outlaw, how should i set it up so i can test my dmg on 5 dummies? does raidbots roll random everytiume with roll then bones? Because yesterday when i simmed once, i got more dmg than the sim

[true dust]

i rolled 96 on alnseer trinket just now, then someone else rolled a 97

[inland meteor]

lots to think about

[cinder relic]

I wouldnt use a sim to test damage exactly cuz like, there is a lot of variance

[keen belfry]

69 views

[cinder relic]

Not 67

[keen belfry]

close

[keen epoch]

Then how couild i check dmg?

[cinder relic]

Maybe I'm the weird one here but I don't really test damage

I just "Know the rotation" and say "Yeah this is how much damage I should be doing"

[random stirrup]

i didnt think this would exist

[keen belfry]

ryldd never knows

[keen epoch]

ye i guess, thanks tho

[gaunt phoenix]

the sim number is an average of 60,000 pulls or w.e

it does roll like you

[copper radish]

The numbers whisperer

[gaunt phoenix]

so each pull is different

[ocean quartz]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[keen epoch]

Yes but i could roll jackpot and he rolls 2 of a kind right? then i of course has moire dmg

[cinder relic]

Correct

[formal thunder]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[gaunt phoenix]

your sim result is really a range

[keen belfry]

anyone have ace sound effect

found it

[merry harness]

Crazy that it is barely skewed

[inner sky]

God damn is this smoke ridiculous

Any word if blizz will make it less nuts? Or am i destined to troll every group until i give up this season

[inland meteor]

ur group doesnt see it anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

only you can see it

u have to lower particle density if you want to reduce it tho

which can cause other things to be less visible

[inner sky]

Atleast its just me now, thats something i guess

[stoic topaz]

Oh they did patch it so party can’t see? Lol my friends were annoyed af not being able to see mechanics in my cloud

[inner sky]

I was just on last boss of MT and couldnt see the soak underneath at all

[jagged plover]

ye they patched it

[cinder relic]

Lower ur particle density in settings

[inner sky]

What do you recommend?

[vivid vessel]

low

[random stirrup]

i asked zacary about this very thing and he didnt know

[tough trellis]

is there any merit to swapping to a ST build in raid?

[random stirrup]

not my fault!

[tough trellis]

considering every boss has an add of some kind

[stoic topaz]

What uptime buffs are important to you guys to track? I think I only try to keep track of RTB, BF, and I’m gonna add cloud when I get home if it’s possible in blizzard CDM. Are there any niche things you like to see or trickster ones I should know about?

[jagged plover]

only other is the apex talent because on large bosses the refund is crazy delayed and i waste combo points

[stoic topaz]

I didn’t know if apex was worth tracking and something to manage.

[jagged plover]

it isn't 90% of the time

but just on some bosses it's kinda needed

[stoic topaz]

When I was playing fate bound a little at the beginning I was tracking deadly pursuit but it was hard to hold off on spending finishers lmao

[buoyant cosmos]

bullet go wizzz

[lucid sparrow]

@vivid vessel i have ppl saying like 'oh yeah the top comp has outlaw in it' and its just u

ty for carrying the outlaw rep

[stoic topaz]

What’s your thought process for tracking the apex? Just knowing when you got a full 6 bullets and your BTE gonna pop off?

[keen belfry]

its nice to know, but importantly there is a delay on the reset due to travel time of apex (idk why its coded like this)

so like on vorasius, if u apex bte it takes lika whole gcd to reset

[ancient cobalt]

chat in raid is ok to ignore reccomended haste and blind follow raidbots? this mf puttin me at 18% haste

[vivid vessel]

[jagged plover]

yes, which normally you wouldn't need to track

[stoic topaz]

But you don’t hold off on a SS or opportunity proc right?

[jagged plover]

but on big boss hitboxes its so delayed you can bait yourself into pressing a builder

and then u waste a gcd

[stoic topaz]

Hmm

[lucid sparrow]

longer u stay ontop the more invites rest of us get

keep up the good work

[stoic topaz]

Ok so when I have 6 CP and have used BTE. I’ll get a proc and let’s say I’m at 6. My BTE glows for about 2 globals. Is it bad that I do a SS before spending another BTE proc?

Or do you just slam BTE again on 6 CP reset

[jagged plover]

on 6 you slam again

[stoic topaz]

5 BTE reset you build though

[jagged plover]

yea

[stoic topaz]

And we just KS anytime we’re in BTE cd windows?

Preferably low energy states so we can let it replenish?

[true dust]

Can i still bonus roll on a hc boss if i looted him already (but didnt use bonus loot)?

[gaunt phoenix]

you ks as priority over dispatch

you dont delay ks for energy or some such

[jagged plover]

ive heard you can but havent seen it myself

[gaunt phoenix]

You still need to ks for unseen blades

[stoic topaz]

Ive seen that it doesn’t matter to let KS finish. And ppl like letting it revive their energy

[true dust]

okay i'll try then, chimaerus is quick work anyway so worst case i wasted 10 minutes

[stoic topaz]

But it’s fine to just go back into rotation

[hybrid flax]

iris embelishment overall good for dungeons compared t o x2 ARcanoweave , or is the Iris primarily raid focused

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just that if you cap energy during ks channel you are free to break it

both embellishments are good

Arcano might be +0.3% dmg

Infinite dps gain

[hybrid flax]

ah ok great

[glass quartz]

sry for asking a 3rd time, can someone please help :p

[random stirrup]

unfortunately outlaw logs are extremely extremely difficult to read and help with so u prob need to provide a vod or something

checking 1 gcd means u need to crosscheck buffs and guess what button cdr looks like etc

[glass quartz]

okay i'll record next time i do a pull where i think i play correctly and a bossfight mby

[random stirrup]

there is no way to look at a certain gcd and know if bladeflurry or AR is up for example

[glass quartz]

yeah makes sense that would be a lot of work

[stoic topaz]

If you’re chasing a tank in m+ doing a big pull. Do we not want to KS until he’s gathered it all? Reading the trickster passives and stuff sounds like our big aoe burst is after KS applies all these dmg buffs

[ocean quartz]

Should i go for 25% haste even if the Sim says to have like 21%?

[inner yacht]

sim is always right

[ocean quartz]

oki, thats using crit flask so i think its right

[gaunt phoenix]

No you can ks immediately

it gives flawless form, but that is a buff you naturally maintain

[wary vine]

hey guys, is there a reason to why the following macro wouldnt work?
#showtooltip dispatch
/cast between the eyes
/cast dispatch

[inner yacht]

it will try to cast bte

and not cast anything if its on cd

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, there's no concept of macros skipping an action based on cooldown

[wary vine]

ah, i see! so same would go for blfurry then, thankyou

[stoic topaz]

Does it not matter to splash KS on the entire pack since BF and SS kinda buffs the same way?

[gaunt phoenix]

ks itself is just a finisher that deals okay damage and generates 2 unseen blades

[stoic topaz]

Errr like how unseen blade will aoe with BF sinister strikes

[gaunt phoenix]

the concept of having 2 unseen blades does not make you deal big boom damage

it's just good to generate em

whenever

idk if im reading your question right

[stoic topaz]

I guess what I’m wondering is using those procs on like 1-3 mobs while chasing a tank doing a big pull vs using them once they’re all gathered

Like in a m+ scenario

[gaunt phoenix]

ye, just use em

[stoic topaz]

Coolio, I think I’m always screwing myself overthinking stuff like that and hold things too often

[proven ocean]

Doesn’t matter if hes grouping them up or not

If you attack them while tank is grouping them up be ready to vanish if u get aggro

U just perma send

Full dps

[stoic topaz]

Will tricks make me pretty safe in that regard?

[proven ocean]

Idk i dont play this expansion

[stoic topaz]

Or it’s still possible to pull aggro

[proven ocean]

But

[gaunt phoenix]

we have tricks again ross

[proven ocean]

Yea i know

But idk if it bugs out

Loke nefore

Initial dmg is just scary sometimes

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess if you're the first hit you can get slammed

[proven ocean]

Tank should hit first

Ya

Any mob the tank didnt tag

And u hit

Even if its following the tank

It will smack ur ass

[stoic topaz]

I thought it’s the same way like hunters misdirect. They can just attack and send them mobs toward tank as their focus.

[proven ocean]

Tank must hit any mob thats following him

Following tank doesnt mean safe to hit

Like ur fine sometimes but

Its rare

[stoic topaz]

Always be ready to vanish

God bless cheat death

[proven ocean]

Way i do it is

I evasion on pull

To atk mobs the tank prob didnt hit

So i can just full send max dps

Takes practice to pull this off its easier said than done

[jagged plover]

too bad float is gone

[stoic topaz]

Yeah anytime I notice getting touched I just pop eva lol

[proven ocean]

I have 40,000+ hrs in wow so

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf

[fathom bramble]

the first hit(s) before tricks converts into the 6 second(1 hour with trickster) buff just don't transfer threat anymore

[ashen void]

didnt even know ross was 40k hours old get this unc his cialis

[fathom bramble]

that 30 second pre-transfer buff use to transfer but it was removed to address an abuse edge case in tol dagor

[proven ocean]

It still works on some mobs

Idk why tho

Vanish i think not tricks

It is boss threat related i believe

Unless they fixed it in past 2-3 seasons

They abused it in mdi iirc

Didnt they

Few seasons ago

In tww

[fathom bramble]

I don't think anything mechanically has changed with tricks in many years

other than the addition of trickster 1 hour tricks

[proven ocean]

Ya

Prob still works but i think it may not be tricks related

[fathom bramble]

what are you refering to specifically?

[proven ocean]

Its probably vanish with a weird boss instance pulling them

Oh

Wait they didnt do that

It is fixed, what they did was cc 1 mob that has mass aggro to the pack hes in

And when cc breaks (hes in combat)

It pulls the pack on the boss

Ya that

[fathom bramble]

I see

they mess with snapping all the time

idk when it ever changes and it's always janky

[proven ocean]

There may be some ataldazar snaps still working

Not sure

Been a while

[fathom bramble]

the tol dagor edge case wasn't a snap though

[proven ocean]

Ya tricks

[fathom bramble]

it was getting in the cannon and having 30 seconds of threat transfer since the buff never switched over

[proven ocean]

Oh

Oh btw diablo 4 expansion today

OMGOMG?? @gaunt phoenix @cinder relic

Or no omg..

[cinder relic]

Yeah supa excited

[proven ocean]

Warlock?

Or u still roguing?

Rogueing

[inland meteor]

lfg time for my homeboy mephisto to properly appear finally

[proven ocean]

Cant wait to finally use my rtx 5090 been using it on osrs since i bought it

Honestly guys

This year is a big hype

Good movies

Avengers

D4 expac

Uhh

Gta 6 (maybe)

Forza horizon 6 in japan

Idk what else

So many

[gray summit]

BTE 5CP+ x Fatebound X Cloud Clover ????

what a year

[proven ocean]

Oh ye assassin creed black flag too

They are making it 4k and few additions to it

Rly cool

[jagged plover]

bro said avengers before dune 3 or spiderman

[proven ocean]

Dune 3 is 2026?

[jagged plover]

ye

big

[proven ocean]

I hate spiderman or i dont i just dont enjoy it idk

[inland meteor]

arent there rumours that tobey spiderman is gonna appear in avengers

[proven ocean]

Like i’d watch it with friends and enjoy it but

I’ll forget it tmrw

[jagged plover]

spiderman is like the only marvel ip that is decent post endgame

[inland meteor]

ye

[jagged plover]

moon knight was pretty cool too

[inland meteor]

real

actually nah moon knight i thought was meh

[proven ocean]

Ngl tho

I have a rly big feeling that the new avengers will suck

[jagged plover]

mostly carried by the acting the plot itself was shrug

[proven ocean]

Because its a new story they just came up with

When end game was made years ago

These new story makers suck man

[keen belfry]

why didnt anyone tell me ace wa is back

[inland meteor]

idk if i will even understand whats going on i have watched nothing marvel related since end game except spoderman

[jagged plover]

probably doesn't even matter tbh

[proven ocean]

when is diablo4 season coming out

how many hrs

[inland meteor]

30 minutes after release

release is 1am cest i think

[jagged plover]

i think this movie is an attempt to retcon a bit because everyone has hated everything since endgame

[inland meteor]

so like 3 or 4 hours

[proven ocean]

ah

[inland meteor]

yeah but season start is 30 minutes after that for some reason, so dont create eternal character by accident

[proven ocean]

nah i'll be at bed

its fine

[unique fulcrum]

what we playing for HC d4

[red zinc]

warlock cuh

[unique fulcrum]

na range is for cucks

or is there a meele spec for warlock

[jagged plover]

think there is a melee meme too

[random stirrup]

udk

[stoic topaz]

Is it a visual or sound cue to help know you got a proc?

[copper radish]

how many bugs are gonna be in that release lol

[keen belfry]

its old sound cue

[jagged plover]

at least d4 bugs are usually just you do way moroe damage than you're supposed to

[weary fog]

Ooh

Old ace sound was satisfying

[random stirrup]

wait link

i need this

[stoic topaz]

Do I get thrown off a lot by my combo point resets bc it’s either ace or apex? 4 or 6?

[keen belfry]

https://wago.io/U0JXmugDy

[coral wyvern]

new recommended talent tree dropped?

[keen belfry]

@random stirrup

[weary fog]

Let’s gooooo

[keen belfry]

wym

[random stirrup]

[keen belfry]

its either 5 6 or 7, apex is always 7

but u need to add the sound back

[buoyant stratus]

The death of weakauras was greatly exaggerated

Welcome back king

[keen belfry]

its so back

i love that sound

[random stirrup]

giga dopamine

[noble sky]

is outlaw's damage still very much dependent on getting good rolls

i feel like im either doing tons of damage or no damage

based on how the bones are looking

[craggy barn]

thanks awang, i get to do this again

[jagged plover]

bro has the osu cursor trail

holy

[long bramble]

bro i had the final prove today

gapped an uh dk in overall in a 17 got like jackpot for 4/5 mins straight i think

[lethal oak]

[agile sky]

Hey guys,
any detailed Outlaw rotation guide or tips? I’m 275 ilvl and only doing ~115k overall in M+ (no buffs). ST in raid feels fine, but in M+ I feel like I’m missing something.
When I watch streamers they hit way higher peaks (500k+), so I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong—maybe rotation, cooldown usage, or procs.
Any advice appreciated 🙏

i cant seem to figure it out with the wow head guide for rotation

[gaunt phoenix]

can try my #outlaw-faq

[agile sky]

shit sry if i got the wrong chat and Thx ^^

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix do you ever think about how realz fixed the spec so that we would never need to press snd ever again with bte also sending a dispatch, and then the new dev removed all of it

so now we have to press snd again

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

you actually could remove it from your bars before

unless you were a filfthy bug abuser

buut

not me

[jagged plover]

i liked when there was no duration limit and you just had 15min of snd

[craggy barn]

its so glorious, im so happy

[serene cosmos]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[proven ocean]

i wouldn't say d4 is a buggy game

its one of the least buggy games honestly

only bugs are huge dps gains for certain classes

i dont remember any game breaking bugs

maybe back on release but

not now

[keen belfry]

yes @olive star

[elfin grotto]

Yo guys, where do you keep your interrupt button, trying to restructure my keybinds a bit cuz outlaw got me feeling pain in my fingers with my old keybinds :DD

[frail veldt]

What is it

[novel isle]

C

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

count them up

[vapid sundial]

4 and shift 4

[earnest sphinx]

gunning down lura literally

[vivid vessel]

i got her good

[cinder relic]

LOLOLOL

[zinc briar]

can we remove the fckng fart when AR?

died coz cant see the ground

its tilting me so hard

cant see anything with taht smoke

[eternal hound]

Turn particle density down

[quaint mauve]

how much dmg did this do tho....

[zinc briar]

but well see the areas?

[ashen void]

https://tenor.com/view/dracula-flow-i'm-him-i-been-him-i-will-continue-to-be-him-gif-11190399534092412874

[eternal hound]

yes

[timid idol]

does any other spec have to press snd

[eternal hound]

You'll still see it, it just won't block the entire ground again

[quaint mauve]

chill on my smoke bomb bro

[eternal hound]

no, and outlaw presses it once at the start of a key

[timid idol]

what is this

[vapid sundial]

I am going to assume

[cinder relic]

a comment from shindigs lura vid hahaha

[vapid sundial]

Guy got a new guildie

Who is rogue main

But got snapped to Uhdk

And guy on rogue

[jagged plover]

guy is just that guy

[ashen void]

https://tenor.com/view/this-shit-aint-nothin-to-gif-10654407095131904619

[vapid sundial]

But that's just a guess from context clues

[ashen void]

guy is dracula flow

[vivid vessel]

idk not much

this is the period

[vapid sundial]

Aug is so racist man

Just remove the spec

[quaint mauve]

yeahhhh i thought so

[astral wind]

Bro that's ME LOL

Just tryna give Shin some shit mwahaha

[cinder relic]

LOLOLOL

[cinder relic]

thats more than sub fwiw

Outlaw good ont aht fight

[near rock]

outlaw best spec on that fight

no cap

I'm not bias

[vivid vessel]

no ye this is just first 15s lo

its just cause i got like 10 bte reset

didnt do that much damage tho

i expected more !

[cinder relic]

I played sub and I think outlaw was better

[dire pumice]

Maybe someone can help me and i know it sounds wierd but sometimes iam feeling like outlaw is lagging for me in raid dont know why but i dont have that problem with all my other speccs or classes only on outlaw. Abilities not going of or with a delay button presses happening 1 sec later with completly normal ms no lag spikes or fps drops. (Not writing this for troll or so iam serious )

[cinder relic]

But I'm fucking 281 ilvl

Like just kill me

[vivid vessel]

nah ye outlaw is better

for sure

im topping boss damage

does sub top boss damage?

[cinder relic]

sub timers are kinda ass on the fight

Its worse than a UDK and ret

But its like 3rd best melee

and overall boss damage

Like outlaw is still worse than ret/udk but

[vapid sundial]

Do you top tho

[tough ridge]

wait if sub is 3rd what is outlaw then

or is it a tie between the 2 for melee

[cinder relic]

Itd be a bit better than sub but still worse than UDK/ret

Ret has funnel and is just tuned really high

and then UDK gets a very good lust

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOL

[cinder relic]

Outlaw would be better than sub

But sub is still good

[vivid vessel]

[stable nest]

Zac what does your guy sim for on st

[vivid vessel]

idk

infinite

[stable nest]

Wait how are you playing two chars

[vivid vessel]

did the same next pull

[stable nest]

Tomelvis and zacdh

[cinder relic]

UDK is mega mid until lust but

Where ur ret at

[frail veldt]

You must have the perfect seed

[ancient cobalt]

otl lura public log just hit

last place rogue its over folks

[tough ridge]

Idk I saw a cn rogue log with sub at like #2 overall lmao

Maybe it's all pad

[cinder relic]

If u BP the adds in P1 u can do a lot

But subs st is like finish overall

[vivid vessel]

ye we aint getting to lust anytime soon

[blissful zinc]

are we supposed to play around deadly pursuit in raid? or is it just to when you have to do mechanics,etc

[cinder relic]

I'm gonna make a video of explaining the entire fight as a rogue cuz like, u dont do anything as a melee so

Might as well make a video being like

"Hey U dont do anything so really make sure not to fuck up this shit"

[vivid vessel]

video: yo dodge the glaives a bit

[cinder relic]

Like just so ur aware, u cant feint intermission, or the soak lines

[craggy barn]

wtf can u even do

[cinder relic]

but U can feint the circles on ur player, and the orbs going into the boss

u can feint the crystals coming out

Crimson vial also carries p2

[radiant kelp]

@vivid vessel

[ancient cobalt]

ty i need that vid

[zinc briar]

how fckng bad im in 3 target

[radiant kelp]

Are we back with the killing spree?

[stable nest]

Does cheat even save you from glaives, or can we run elusive

[zinc briar]

i suk in paladines

[craggy barn]

my old sound for ace procs

[frail veldt]

OH SHIT

can you share?

I miss that sound so much

my brain pathways have it hooked up to the dopamine hit

been missing it

[craggy barn]

m33k aura shit

[frail veldt]

how much did you have to modify the old one

[craggy barn]

https://wago.io/U0JXmugDy

idk

i just took this

[frail veldt]

huuuuuge

[craggy barn]

and then put my sound path back in there

like before

[cinder relic]

Like, yes but no

Glaives tick every 0.2 seconds so if you get clipped by them yes

But very often ur gonna be running against/into them and it wont

[vivid vessel]

yes

[cinder relic]

Elusivness is a very good option on the fight

I played cheat the entire time

[vivid vessel]

outlaw can grapple trough beams

[cinder relic]

but elusiveness is very good option

[vivid vessel]

idk if thats true for sub

running

with feint

but

[cinder relic]

U mean the spinning beams?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder relic]

Step?

LOLOL

[vivid vessel]

yue true

[cinder relic]

[vivid vessel]

well i just tank it

it does like

40% hp

[cinder relic]

Yeah the beams lowk do zero

[ancient cobalt]

oh really

interesting

ok

my guild isnt reclearing anymore im so glad i got a random os fist weapon

dagger never dropped fuckin bitch ass vorasius

[keen belfry]

holy banger

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry peep this one the pull after bro

im goated bro

only skill

felt like i was playing tww outlaw no cap

[proven ocean]

sub teleports after like a second

so the way sub shadowstep works

is that first 2-3~yards infront of you aren't safe

because it pushes you to that location

rarely where ur just straight up immune from a beam after those 2-3 yards

just coding spaghetti whether it works or not

[proven ocean]

for any projectile ever

leaves people "omg i shadowstepped how i die"

on alot of mechanics

[keen belfry]

this is such a zac pull

[vivid vessel]

what is ross yapping about

anyone knows

[keen belfry]

is he even lvl 90

[vivid vessel]

i dont think so

[glass quartz]

can you please take a look now?
#1498369855483674695 message
also anyone else who's willing to help please ❤️

[past stump]

name a worse feeling than rolling a double trouble w loaded dice

[loud moat]

Missing Jackpot KiR by 0,1s.

[keen belfry]

when u have to wait super long to pick a youtube video while u have a plate of yummy food infront of u

[past stump]

now i'm depressed

[eternal hound]

Rolling 1s until AR

Zero combo point gen

you just fucked

and holding KIR for like a minute cuz of it

[frail veldt]

the WORST

not like im gona start eating while I search either

[keen belfry]

it made me get youtube premium

for when iw atch on my tv

[past stump]

dropping AR + prep just to get no bte resets

[frail veldt]

just have to sit there while my food gets cold

Also I thought LD doesnt increase your chance of rolling 3/4 buff

it just moves all the 1 roll chance into 2 roll

[fathom bramble]

it does now

reworked RTB changed it to being +1 stage instead of shifting 1 buff rolls to 2

[frail veldt]

oh banggggger

[daring yoke]

bro having jackpot but no energy 😭

[vivid vessel]

you can have jackpot + adr and no energy

had it happen !

true story !

not a cap !

[fathom bramble]

SS costs too much

[keen belfry]

they will buff fatal flourish soon

and reduce SS cost

dw

[daring yoke]

bro i trust.

[fathom bramble]

even buffed fatal is just like

you can still get unlucky

we had stronger fatal flourish in TWW and it could still happen

[frail veldt]

fuck FF

make it 100%

[fathom bramble]

fatal should just be all off hand attacks generate x energy

no rng component

[frail veldt]

for sure

also does adr cloud still cost 30 energy?

I heard they fixed that but I havent tested

[fathom bramble]

fixed

[frail veldt]

sick

[cinder relic]

ss should just b cheaper

[fathom bramble]

yeah the issue as I see it is that the difference in energy economy between good luck and bad luck is too high

moving costs around to keep energy econ healthy AND stable would be nice

[vivid vessel]

i mean

cost litteraly your entire bar

to press ss 4 times

[fathom bramble]

for years it didn't matter as much because we had so much excess energy

[vivid vessel]

so if you dont proc these 4 ss its gg

[fathom bramble]

but if they want energy on a razors edge to promote haste we definitely need more stable energy costs

[frank hamlet]

when deadly pursuit + KS combined in a single node?

[past stump]

is deadly pursuit even remotely usable rn ?

[fathom bramble]

too minor to justify taking over 5% life in nearly all content

[static crescent]

Hmm, is there something im missed with outlaw players, it seems pmuch all the outlaws play in physical comps, and assasins etc. just play with comps that have casters etc. Does outlaw really gain that much more from phys comp buffs?

[vivid vessel]

no it doesnt

[static crescent]

looking at fuus sheet it doesnt seem that big

[vivid vessel]

gain the same

[static crescent]

So its probably just a culture thing why people tend to play phys comp as outlaw and assasin/sub often in others

rather then straight up math

[vivid vessel]

its because outlaw is bad

every season

so if you play bad spec

and - 20% damage

cause no raid buff

gg

[abstract frost]

zac outlaw pushing uhdk out of meta?

[frail veldt]

sin brings more things than outlaw

like funnel/prio damage

and actual cooldowns

outlaw brings nothing but good overall damage

[static crescent]

the -15% damage taken feels really good as outlaw tho now

[frail veldt]

and group buffs are obv big for overall dam

outlaw has to dominate the meters to be worth bringing at all

assa can do bottom dps and still be worth a slot

[summer nimbus]

Phys comp are the only people who take outlaw

[vivid vessel]

dk does quite a bit more damage than outlaw

and thats without raid buffs

[frail veldt]

cuz youre trolling taking one in a group thats pulling around big 2min cds and uncapped aoe

[static crescent]

Dont fully understand that assa deserving a spot with low overall just due to the way they do damage

maybe im just bad

[frail veldt]

thats how it works in high keys

[static crescent]

or it as an example

[vivid vessel]

i think if anything you go arms dk outlaw @abstract frost

[frail veldt]

its not only overall

[vivid vessel]

sham healer

brew

[frail veldt]

you have to kill a pull in under X seconds

or you run out cc/cds

and you just wipe

so specs like assa that have insane funnel can help take down a high hp target in a pack

that would otherwise wipe the group

[abstract frost]

you dont think ret is better than outlaw?

[frail veldt]

or make the pack take way longer

but tbh this season doesnt have that much of that

[static crescent]

Yeah, i mean im playing with a frostmage and a prot war, been taking turns playing outlaw and assa, shit like AA first pull they tend to ask me to be assa but outside of that I feel outlaw is doing more

[proven ocean]

Dk?

Wait that was our setup

??

Stop stealing or

[frail veldt]

yeah idk what key lvl youre doing but it depends on what your group needs in terms of damage profile

[static crescent]

At our keylevel (17-18) it doesnt matter that much I guess yet but having hardtime undestanding this all

[frail veldt]

arms has quite good funnel so it might not need it

but assa is another role that helps funnel

[proven ocean]

I mean

[frail veldt]

at least historically idk how much they lost funnel this season

[proven ocean]

Anything 3 keys below max key levels is straight up skill issue not a comp issue

Not saying ur bad but

[static crescent]

Yeah, its not matter of that really, its still fun to be optimal even at lower keys

[proven ocean]

Its just ppl that dont know how to do the dungeon yet

At all

Ya ofc

Optimal is key

[static crescent]

Like, ie. last season we played random shit and then swapped to semi smart meta comp and everything was just a lot easyer

[frail veldt]

yeah in this case I think ross is responding to you saying you cant tell assas value

[proven ocean]

Always push further

[frail veldt]

because you arent at a key where assas value matters

[proven ocean]

Otherwise you’ll stay behind

[frail veldt]

so just playing outlaw and doing more overall feels better

cuz you arent actually hitting the same walls that r1 keys are hitting

[proven ocean]

Idk what ur talking about

[frail veldt]

thats okay

[proven ocean]

Ah he said assa

No idea what assa does now but ye

Ur right in r1 walls that we hit

[frail veldt]

yeah hes saying he cant tell what assas value is over outlaw

[proven ocean]

Its usually these niche things

[static crescent]

Well, swapping to assa if it looks like that, is a lot easyer then swapping to outlaw without practise so guess il just roll like this until we find new walls

[proven ocean]

No funnel or like

No aoe

[frail veldt]

im saying its hard to tell those things when it isnt r1 keys

[proven ocean]

Or tank cant funnel too

Or tank cant pull this pack with that

[frail veldt]

its just more subtle when you can time a key with both assa and outlaw

[proven ocean]

Its just things that pull u to the edge where its just

Mathematically impossible

[frail veldt]

tbh though I think now is just a case where both specs are very viable

cuz outlaw is very strong

big blasta

[proven ocean]

For example

[ancient cobalt]

dude the 3400 mounts are so fuckin ugly

[static crescent]

And the -15% during ADR feels quite helpful

[proven ocean]

Some keys we could never do with assa+outlaw

[ancient cobalt]

wtf im not gonna get io anymore

[proven ocean]

Back when we pushed

[summer nimbus]

What is arms capped to in aoe if it is?

[proven ocean]

Like

Actually impossible

U needed feral

Not assa

And guess what

Both of us are 2 min specs

But why? U may ask

Feral has better spread aoe dmg

[radiant wyvern]

ran a key without skyfury or battle shout
felt like a piss baby

[proven ocean]

Even tho it might lose overall to assa

[static crescent]

But to the original question, regarding raid buff stacking, theres no real reason to play assa over outlaw or visa versa (ie. why phys comps always have outlaws and other comps assas)

[proven ocean]

Its better for that key specifically

Be ause it spreads dmg better

Because*

[summer nimbus]

I think with outlaw u have to pull a certain way unlike the cd classes

[proven ocean]

What in the cooked take

[summer nimbus]

?

[proven ocean]

Cd classes is the reason why all those routes are created

[frail veldt]

the reason is what I said originally, assa often finds a home in non physical comps due to other values it brings in its damage profile and kit. Outlaw tends to be with all physical comps cuz its primary value is high overall damage

[proven ocean]

And melee routes are always different because of it

[keen belfry]

the only thing u change for outlaw routes this season is basically banishing low target pulls, other than that the way zacs team pulls is basically babysitting arms warrior

[static crescent]

Yeah fair

[summer nimbus]

Isnt that literally what im saying

[static crescent]

and i guess in phys comps the outlaw brings nice ST

[proven ocean]

Wait true

[jagged plover]

boomed

[frail veldt]

zacs group is an arms group not an outlaw group

lesbehonest

[jagged plover]

you guys should watch beef

banger show

[frail veldt]

outlaws value in zacs group is the ability to turn off bladeflurry lol

[proven ocean]

I still disagree tho cuz why not

[frail veldt]

fr fr

[summer nimbus]

Any pull for arms is good for law tbh. Getting funnel on bosses and shit is very good

[lime lake]

[plain portal]

yo guys is there any boots worth bonus rolling for outlaw or do i just send crit haste crafted?

[proven ocean]

Do they eat beef

[keen belfry]

they still do outlaw things, or importantly they dont do bad outlaw things

[proven ocean]

Or what is it about

[keen belfry]

but they do some wild things for their warr

[frail veldt]

sure yeah im mostly joking

[proven ocean]

I mean r1 keys u do certain pulls for each dps spec in ur grp

Non r1 keys are whatever

[frail veldt]

this is the outlaw in zacs group

[keen belfry]

agree

[jagged plover]

nah it's about people having beef with one another

1st season is some of the best tv ive watched in years

[keen belfry]

i will say DH DK comp can literally pull whatever they want

[jagged plover]

2nd season is pretty different but still good

[summer nimbus]

Unfortunately pug tanks do not know phys comp pull routes lol

[proven ocean]

Most thing i loved about r1 keys is

[jagged plover]

outlaw kinda vibes with most routes unless they're doing shitter small pulls i feel like

[proven ocean]

If 1 person messes up a mini cd

U can deplete because of it

Main cd error = definite deplete

Idk if the keys rn are that tight tho

[vivid vessel]

idk i havent really seen ret, only yoda plays it

[proven ocean]

Might not be

Idk

S2 tww was so good because it was dps check

[unreal shell]

is there a way to macro sinister strike so that it swaps to pistol shot when I get an opportunity proc ?

[vivid vessel]

assa doesnt work with arms imo

[proven ocean]

Then it was execution checked

[vivid vessel]

you steal the funnel

with pad

outlaw is perfect

you turn off bf

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what I was tryna say

outlaw and arms are complementary

[radiant wyvern]

press n, switch to sub

[frail veldt]

assa and arms fight each other

[keen belfry]

is your bf macro a cast bf cancel bf or is it just cancel

[proven ocean]

I loved wow for its depth like that

This wont work with that etc

[frail veldt]

passed tense?

[summer nimbus]

Might aswell macro separate for more versatility

[frail veldt]

rip

[plain portal]

yo guys if you could swap a hero talent tree for deathstalker would you?

[proven ocean]

I mean i still do but

I got a job and cant play 16 hrs a day anymore

It is what it is

End of an era

[plain portal]

i wonder how outlaw deathstalker would feel like

[frail veldt]

I feel that

[frail veldt]

do you play around deathstalker?

[proven ocean]

Glad i finished uni not studying shit i chose the perfect major for it

Business

[frail veldt]

or is it just a passive you mostly ignore

[proven ocean]

Made me play wow all the time

[plain portal]

ehhh you play around it but its mainly just the mark

[frail veldt]

I dont like dealing with a debuff

so fuck that shit

[keen belfry]

i wish i was EU so i could say uni instead of college

[slim hare]

your a liar ross

[plain portal]

they have a button that can move the mark to whoever you want

[frail veldt]

sounds aids

[slim hare]

if you didnt play osrs

[vivid vessel]

just cancel

[frail veldt]

no ones stopping you

[vivid vessel]

cause i wanna be able to cancel mid bf

[slim hare]

you could styill dominate in wow

[keen belfry]

thats what im doing, was just curious if u could do it in one press

[summer nimbus]

? They literally use uni in US

[frail veldt]

not as much

people just say college

"whered you go to college"

"What college do you go to"

[plain portal]

are you pressing bf for the combo points then insta cancelling or just not pressing it at all during funnel pulls?

[keen belfry]

not anyone i know does

[proven ocean]

What

[summer nimbus]

My school had university at the end so thats why im more used to it ig

[proven ocean]

I mean

Idk about dominate wow

My job is rly bad in terms of time management

Morning + night shift

Cant achieve anything

Maybe if i find a better job sure

[vivid vessel]

yes

[proven ocean]

Besides

[valid hound]

why are we doing ks if it only applies 1 unseen blade buff? or am i missing smth?

[proven ocean]

I wouldnt settle in wow if i didnt play 16 hrs a day

Boring to not perma send keys

And raid all day

I hate casual wow

Not for me

[nocturne loom]

is there any reload noises for ace up your sleeve procs like there used to be?

[proven ocean]

!ace

!bte

Idk

There is yes

But idk the command

[glass quartz]

disorienting strikes

[proven ocean]

Here

@nocturne loom

[frail veldt]

it makes your next two SS trigger unseen blade without causing the unseen blade cooldown

which builds towards coup de grace

which gives us more cdr

[proven ocean]

U guys excited for d4

[frail veldt]

is there a d4 xpac or something soon?

[proven ocean]

Yea

[frail veldt]

ooo

[proven ocean]

Expansion in 1 hr

Or less

[frail veldt]

OH WHAT

[proven ocean]

Or someshit

YE

[frail veldt]

damn im out of the loop

oh well

[proven ocean]

Well its good when u suddenly know

[frail veldt]

ill enjoy it vicariously through twitch lol

what new class did they add

[proven ocean]

Warlock

[frail veldt]

sick

[proven ocean]

And paladin but pala was added last season

Pala was good but not banger good

Spirit born release was better

We’ll see how warlock is

Warlock seems kinda ass ngl

But i hope im wrong

[frail veldt]

is it a zdps like witch doc was in d3?

or does it have real builds

warlock is a fun class theme

so maybe they buff it to the point that its good

[valid hound]

thanks, found the talent

[zinc briar]

guys

why is my roll buff disappearing?

and apearing again after 10-15 secs

[craggy quiver]

There is a pin about it

[sleek basin]

What is the benefit of having a dagger oh ?

[slim hare]

look up pihole and stop paying shitty youtube

[keen belfry]

😮

[slim hare]

did you do it ?

[jagged plover]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[nocturne loom]

holy fuck thank you

[sleek basin]

ty!

[ashen birch]

Does anyone know how some streamers (like CasualAddict) have an audible “interrupt” when trash mobs cast important spells? I thought you could do it with little wigs, but I wasn’t able to for this expac

[earnest sphinx]

is there anything better than triple jackpot

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[keen cedar]

Yo, how much is your spellqueuewindow, is it set to default or you lower it down?

[frail veldt]

most people lower it a little

it varies person to person

usually people set it like 150-250 above your ms

so 50ms is like 200-300 sqw

[keen cedar]

Thanks

[vapid sundial]

my window would be like 120

sounds awful

[glass mortar]

the +150 rule was back in the day and honestly its more meant for people with real ping (like me sitting at 120 ms)

if ur ping is under 20 idk if id ever set my spellqueue under 200

[bronze badge]

Hello , 27% hast with cons its so much or mayb pot critical is better ?

[glass mortar]

u can sim flasks now in top gear to check

23% without flask is probably fine yea but id sim it

[bronze badge]

Okay thx , because with 27 im always good with energy and my cd , i have 33% crit

I go check thx

[round stump]

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[hollow bloom]

I’m pushing past 30% haste. Pushing it to the limit.

[daring venture]

isn't it not effective after 25% ?

[wicked kestrel]

for rings. do i sim st or something else for m+?

raidbots is telling me one thing for st but it completely fucks my stats

sorry fucks my haste big time

[slim hare]

for m+ use dslice

for raid patchwerk 1target

[zenith root]

Do I miss out on DPS if I'm not hitting the procs from between the eyes and opportunity the same gcd I see them?

Obviously that's impossible to do always but I'm trying to understand how lenient is hitting the procs is

[rotund cloud]

i just got called out for using atrophic over numbing on M dreamrift, thoughts opinons should i feel bad?

[slim hare]

yes and no its way less effective but at the same time in m+ yoyu lack energy and haste kind of help with that so its not that bad to go over 25 rn

[slim hare]

no their dumb or have no hands or no demo to ask that from oyu

[rotund cloud]

ok wasn't sure if i was missing some sick tech lol

[hollow bloom]

I push the haste agenda. No clankers gonna tell me how to play the game.

[daring venture]

if i'm pushing on M+ should I try to focus on having more haste or should i try to get some other stats ?

(i'm at 25% haste rn)

[slim hare]

i mean if no one is doing it or you have 2 rogue its a good argument but its not suppoosed to be your job imo

[slim hare]

honestly depends hif your pushing

[daring venture]

i'm pushing hard rn

[slim hare]

with pushing you might want more haste

at least zac is currently aiming for 28 i believe

dont quote me on the number but he wants more

you can use haste flask and be fine tho $

[pastel sierra]

Just call them old if they cant hit the kick

[daring venture]

yhhhh that's my dilema, idk if I should go on a haste flask or critical flask

anyway ty

[slim hare]

you can go hasste flask if energy feels too bad

if you dont feel like that you have issue just go crit

[daring venture]

idk it depends, on 18 i'm not having some issues in terms of crit, think i'll go for a haste one I guess

[slim hare]

you wont have issue on crit

the issue is having to cd def too often/ bad rng and then you have no energy for long period

which sucks hard

[daring venture]

yeah I see

[slim hare]

if you have that you go haste flask

going haste flask is really not a huge dps loss

[daring venture]

and is having 12% masteries an issue atp ?

[slim hare]

if not straight up better on long engagement

dont know how nuch rating that is

but basically you want the minimum masterie possible

put everything in haste crit and be fine

at some point your supposed to take masterie or vers but i dont believe we can reach that point in s1 with the set /trinket we use

[bronze badge]

Problem its boot ,no boot hast crit , i see mastery crit , i craft 285 with hast crit

[slim hare]

boost haste versa is better for push imo

but i might be wrong on that

[daring venture]

yeah I have the crafted boots in crit/haste

[slim hare]

or just craft boots works tooo

[daring venture]

over haste/crit ?

[slim hare]

prob not

[digital gale]

only with the Tier set + Gaze u gonna have like 12~15% mastery so is ok

[daring venture]

still not have that god damn trinket

[bronze badge]

I try flask hast 27% and crit 24 , its just 3% but i have so much problem with my energy, 27 28 is probably good and my cd r real fast

[slim hare]

that trinket is giga

[daring venture]

in the next vault 🤞

[daring venture]

fr i'm on the solar trinket and the one from wind

just need one of those raid trinket to fully parse

[slim hare]

damn that the best you can do with no luck

but its bad

[digital gale]

holy im with 25% haste with haste flask i dont feel problem with energy, except when i have a really bad procs

[slim hare]

raid trinket are op

[daring venture]

like so much bro

[slim hare]

if you dont push hard you prob wont feel the energy issue

you need to use defensive + somewhat bad rng

even at 28 or 30 you can have issue

it just wont happen in low key imo

[digital gale]

i mean im using feint almost at cd and even so i dont fell the issue

[slim hare]

fight too short no neeed for as many defensive

[slim hare]

idk your not pressing button fast enough then

[digital gale]

lol

[slim hare]

if the goat has legit 5 min period where he doesnt have energy

[bronze badge]

It's mainly for raiding because my DPS was really terrible before the patch, and since I've been trying with 27-28% haste, I'm not bad now , with 33 34% crit its cool

[slim hare]

i dont see how that doesnt happen to you

dont mean to offend you

just saying it should happen in m+ with proper play

[blissful zinc]

Damm yall pushing 25%+ haste 😮

Im at 18% haste with flask 💀

[digital gale]

idk i see ppl doing +20 with 25%~ haste with no issue unless they have a really bad rng

[blissful zinc]

ye i can see that

[slim hare]

i see them having issue

[blissful zinc]

Even with 18% the droughts would be a minority in the dungeon

For me personally

[digital gale]

maybe they just get lucky most of the time lol

[slim hare]

like they can press button just not gcd capped all the time