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#outlaw
inland acorn
!prekey
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Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
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Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
opal raven
Yes but I think you need to pre use it
crude flower
Could you vanish it?
On hunter if you Feign death it the person just gives up on throwing the glave entierly
if you FD the second you see it being cast
tranquil ledge
Could you vanish it?
yeah i know that i can vanish in time of cast
crude flower
Fairs
Also happy to see outlaw pumping now btw :D!
Seems p challenging to play too, but maybe i just haven't looked at it properly
might just be the button count
glass shard
at least its not brewmaster
glass shard
sure but 9 trillion binds
haughty wigeon
I mean I guess? But not really?
Compared to how it used to be anyways
I’m actively shocked how bad fotm brews can be
Please nerf stagger and buff brews cds so thy can leave the spec alone
tropic zephyr
Blackout keg purify is such a good gameplay loop
glass shard
Compared to how it used to be anyways
"19 buttons isnt a lot because it had 35 before"
xdx
haughty wigeon
Make it a shout for warrior gg
glass shard
real
tropic zephyr
It doesn't have that much tho? There's like two mitigation you press on CD, 4 rotational spells, and two big CDs
tropic zephyr
why does not a single tank spec have bl yet
4th sham spec soon
You first heard it here
glass shard
schmovie
river wing
why does not a single tank spec have bl yet
the fact that hunter and mage got BL before warrior has been criminal for 15 years now
compounded by the fact that warrior still doesn't have BL 15 years later
novel isle
why does not a single tank spec have bl yet
because its helpful to get DPS's into keys if they have a BL
haughty wigeon
It doesn't have that much tho? There's like two mitigation you press on CD, 4 ro...
They simplified brew a shit ton man
river wing
because its helpful to get DPS's into keys if they have a BL
wonder what's supposed to be helpful to get Rogues into keys
haughty wigeon
I would play brew if ww or mw wasn’t dogshit
novel isle
wonder what's supposed to be helpful to get Rogues into keys
we have raid buffs
with our poisons
glass shard
xd
glass shard
yea kappa
jagged plover
we have raid buffs
in keys no one gives a fuck about poisons 
when shroud used to be useful we were wanted
hasnt been the case in 53 years
now we just have to have giga damage
novel isle
or friends
never heard of that
hallow temple
Can anyone tell me why people all of a sudden play outlaw instead of sub in the highest keys?
hardy thicket
We had a slight buff
gaunt phoenix
Outlaw got omega buffed
hardy thicket
Okay it was omega (schh)
gaunt phoenix
but i mean, it's still the influence of like 4 people
celest cobalt
I mean it was omega behind, now it's like slightly ahead right?
gaunt phoenix
i dont doubt you could do the same keys as sub
river wing
people saw big number from like 5 top outlaw players
but frankly I think Sub is still way easier to clear most things with
formal knot
i started playing wow as outlaw so if it's even close to good i will always hop back on it 
valid hound
outlaw is so fun
static crescent
!fuu
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formal knot
sadly raid is almost always sub jail 
valid hound
u raid only as sub?
formal knot
maybe ill try l'ura as outlaw, but burst is always just better than outlaws flat dps line
formal knot
yep we are going beloren tonight, 30 sec burst, i wonder if i should play sub or outlaw
crude flower
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456> yep we are going beloren tonight, 30 sec burst, ...
Assassination 
formal knot
blissful zinc
is Pit of sauron BIS for rerolls or whats the move boys
gaunt phoenix
yeah it is
glass shard
my key had
novel isle
When is the optimal time to use KS?
novel isle
just before AR?
gaunt phoenix
When is the optimal time to use KS?
it is just higher priority than dispatch
if you would dispatch, ks instead
serene cosmos
When is the optimal time to use KS?
gaunt phoenix
BtE and Prep BTE is higher priority than KS
novel isle
yea, not really answering my question though
glass shard
xd
serene cosmos
Everything explained in FAQ tbh
glass shard
yea, not really answering my question though
how does it not answer the question
gaunt phoenix
if you would dispatch, ks instead
this is the right answer though
glass shard
optimal time is when u'd press dispatch but u have ks
novel isle
how does it not answer the question
it tells me the prio, does not tell me the optimal
gaunt phoenix
that buff is passively maintained for most of the encounter
serene cosmos
thinking of using KS just before AR to use this buff in burst window
You proc UB instantly when you press AR
novel isle
that buff is passively maintained for most of the encounter
at what level?
serene cosmos
And you got it close to 100% uptime
tribal cosmos
@vivid vessel hi baby
novel isle
its up to 5 stacks
gaunt phoenix
yes, it stacks up to 5 and it stays there
novel isle
yea? thank you 🙂
twilit fulcrum
if my rogue is completly New, no crafts no nothing.. would u guys still advice rolling pit? and craft a mh? or better to roll an Instance with a good mh like seat or xenas? ill have 5 rolls coming weekly reset
gaunt phoenix
refunded one
twilit fulcrum
2 this week + 3 with reset
glass shard
twilit fulcrum
2 and 1 from vault
gaunt phoenix
oh sure
ember spear
hey gang, saw that outlaw got giga buffed and wanted to give it a go. decently geared (278) and ST sims say i should do around 117k dps. but in raid/target dummy practice im no where near that... im not sure what im doing wrong.
glass shard
117 ?????
gaunt phoenix
117k sounds fully raid buffed
gaunt phoenix
full buffs/consumables should be >100k
tribal cosmos
ive found an op m+ trick
ember spear
hmm, fair
glass shard
ive found an op m+ trick
play dev dh ?
river wing
is Pit of sauron BIS for rerolls or whats the move boys
this week yeah
next week depends on what you got from PoS and vault
glass shard
can some1 do the thinking for me on what to craft
everything feels kinda bad to craft
river wing
like I have neck/ring/belt from PoS and I'm pretty sure I don't want to roll anymore in PoS, so I'll be moving over to Seat
glass shard
i got hero npx ring the other day
gaunt phoenix
i think u craft 2 items and that's it
glass shard
the good one
gaunt phoenix
now that you can roll
river wing
yeah crests are at a premium atm
river wing
better to save crests for real myth items
gaunt phoenix
glass shard
my trinket situation is disasterous
gaunt phoenix
fun
glass shard
fun
real kapp
sending it on hero doesnt seemw orth
but i dont see another scenario in which i'd get it
vapid salmon
I didn't get this thing, is ALWAYS better to go over +5 for dispatch now?
weary fog
tuh
gaunt phoenix
yea
weary fog
yuh*
vapid salmon
damn my muscle memory is struggling
river wing
real
lusty grove
But it’s not a big deal if you do a bit of 5cp dispatch in a whole pull
weary fog
u get used to it eventually
and then u accidentally run fatebound for a couple pulls with the new builder rules and wonder why ur doing negative damage
novel isle
Simmed my DPS on 5t for 208k, just did 10 mins on 5 target dummies for 197k and never ran out of energy
jolly geyser
I clicked bonus roll in windrunner by mistake,rip one void ig
novel isle
Im doing it dad!
weary fog
whatd u get
novel isle
heart of wind could have been giga
jolly geyser
kroluk
novel isle
jolly geyser
polar niche
!rotation
inner yacht
holy moly just got 11 resets in a row on bte
river wing
one of my Salha clears has like 10+ resets in a row
I audibly moaned in VC at that point lmao
vapid sundial
I remember hitting Like 12 on fyrakk
jagged plover
think i had 9 in crackshot era
vapid sundial
And having to explain to my guild why I was nutting everywhere
jagged plover
id take 9 of those refunds over 20 of these though
weary fog
i think my crackshot record was like, 11?
dim parrot
How tanky do u guys feel now in keys
sturdy ore
Any new outlaw players here that want to help me test a addon?
vapid sundial
No, you can't have me mail you my gold
sturdy ore
It will help you keep uptime of blade flurry more consistently, BTE only with 6< combo points when having a proc and almost never forget to roll with sound and text alerts on-screen
sturdy ore
No, you can't have me mail you my gold
1 gold pls
glass heron
It will help you keep uptime of blade flurry more consistently, BTE only with 6<...
huh i was trying to do the same about the rolls
have u been able to track de stages?
sturdy ore
u can't do that at all
glass heron
so then how are u doing a roll reminder?
sturdy ore
its just this, tells you to roll when rtb is ready and no buff active
upper hawk
that poor doe
sturdy ore
so then how are u doing a roll reminder?
you can just get a alert that helps remind you to roll, that you have rtb spell ready, using sounds and text, just like WA used to do
its kinda practical tbh, so so much easier to keep track of everything with just a small text and alert for different spells
glass heron
but u dont always want to roll even if rtb is up
sturdy ore
true
but thats why its there, m+ can be chaotic, sometimes forget to roll
thats why the placement of the text is above the CDM buff, so you know to always look there
for RTB
vapid salmon
Considering that they are simming the same, would you rather use crucible or crusader? Crucible has less agi but I probably need more crit, crusader is hero so more agility and flat damage + haste. Can't decide :\
sturdy ore
also for Blade flurry, only shows on 2 or more mobs, and helps a lot, i often forget to blade flurry when its chaotic asf
glass heron
Wait so u are telling me that apis doesnt let us track our buffs but it let us count enemies ? XD
sturdy ore
river wing
Considering that they are simming the same, would you rather use crucible or cru...
is either maxed out?
sturdy ore
Wait so u are telling me that apis doesnt let us track our buffs but it let us c...
yup, workarounds :)))
vapid salmon
is either maxed out?
Those are the stats
glass heron
also for Blade flurry, only shows on 2 or more mobs, and helps a lot, i often fo...
but does this reminder will proc even if u have it already up ?
river wing
Those are the stats
no I mean the trinkets ilvl/upgrade track
sturdy ore
but does this reminder will proc even if u have it already up ?
yes
vapid salmon
ohh yes, both are maxed. And crucible with all the perks
sturdy ore
sounds odd i know, but having a text bouncing on the screen, really really helps you track the remaining time of BF and much more
if you wanna test it out let me know
river wing
then I'd probably use crucible, it's pretty good
then swap it for something that actually sims better
glass heron
sounds odd i know, but having a text bouncing on the screen, really really helps...
mmhh maybe u can make it that it doesnt pop before 10 s after casting it
vapid salmon
then I'd probably use crucible, it's pretty good
then swap it for something that...
thank you!
sturdy ore
mmhh maybe u can make it that it doesnt pop before 10 s after casting it
yea or to show only after 20ish seconds, right before the buff expires
but also, keep it rolling comes into play
glass heron
yea or to show only after 20ish seconds, right before the buff expires
ur idea anyway is awesome
i mean the hole addon
sturdy ore
ur idea anyway is awesome
thank you!
knotty dawn
Its called rogueflow?
static crescent
Is there a mechanic where outlaw gains less from Augment then non-target capped specs?
sturdy ore
Its called rogueflow?
Yes
static crescent
As in, is there some flat damage it adds to hits or something
no idea really how aug works
felt like i got very little out of Aug in AA
Logs are lost in space due to tech (TM)
sturdy ore
Is it on curse? Wanna try it out later
Its not yet but i'll send the addon to you if you want to test it out
knotty dawn
Ok
vivid vessel
its funny how quick the outlaw hyped died down
:D
turns out 13% buff wasnt htat big in the end
serene cosmos
Ahaha' indeed
river wing
its funny how quick the outlaw hyped died down
there was hype?
vivid vessel
ye
near rock
yeah man because people play the spec for an hour and are like "this is a lot of work and variance idk"
random stirrup
its funny how quick the outlaw hyped died down
if we had a warrior i'd play it 
mighty pivot
turns out 13% buff wasnt htat big in the end
dunno it got the outlaw goat wox to play outlaw again, that's the biggest win possible
river wing
all I know is that one of our DHs swapped to Dev over Havoc
and that's it
vivid vessel
yeah man because people play the spec for an hour and are like "this is a lot of...
and in the end it doesnt do that much damage anyway
i honestly thought we would be mega blasting
we are just blasting like a normal spec
jovial hinge
Its not yet but i'll send the addon to you if you want to test it out
I would love to test this out! Right now I have so many sounds and text to talk to try to remind me lol
sturdy ore
I would love to test this out! Right now I have so many sounds and text to talk ...
I'll send it to you, works the same as a weakaura, text alert and sound, but more complex settings and UI
vivid vessel
@near rock did you kill bird yet
im doing quite good on lura
top boss damage basically
even tho we dont really get out of p1
i feel like the longer the fight will be
the more st you will do
near rock
<@153610803923255296> did you kill bird yet
nah not yet, we raid tues/weds tho so we'll be at it tomorrow
vivid vessel
i see
near rock
going sub for it tho
near rock
yes
near rock
I think outlaw for lura is for sure the play
vivid vessel
ye
random stirrup
outlaw boss damage does go kinda crazy
vivid vessel
everytime we manage to get ouf of p1, so the pulls are not 30s long
im basically topping, or legit 5% above first boss dps
desert tendon
vivid vessel
thanks
no
i had a pull i didnt press kir till min 2 of the fight
but i mean
nothing compared to my 10 min key section with only 1 kir in the middle
and that fucking disgusting caverns i did where my first kir was on first boss
6min no kir
cant wait till that happens to me on boss kill on lura
inland meteor
so u exclusively kir on 3roll?
vivid vessel
yes
which feels very good most of the times
cause you are able to maintain a 2 buffer
without kir
like
inland meteor
ye true i guess
vivid vessel
most of the times
and even if you have to reroll
its still 50/50 getting more than 1
withoyut ld
and if you do get your 1 roll
its for like
10s
20s
its not that terrible most of the times
also im still playing aoe talents a bit to help on crystals for now
i can get 3/4% more st when i can drop it
fresh acorn
It’s worth not rolling at all if ARs coming up right?
vivid vessel
kinda goated outlaw boss
vivid vessel
It’s worth not rolling at all if ARs coming up right?
i do that if its like
2 finisher aways or smth
or idk
fresh acorn
Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing
fresh acorn
Like <20s
vivid vessel
its failry rare
in aoe you can get away with more cuase
if you have like an apex ready
bte ready
bf and shit
you can legit not press ss
for 20s straight anwyay
and then at this point buff 1 and buff 2 are useless so
fresh acorn
Ideally we start on Lura tonight and I think I’m gonna play outlaw bc I’ve never prog’d as it
serene cosmos
I'm also switching ol for some bosses, finally got a MM MH, and now the gameplay is less toxic, I can enjoy the spec again
flat stag
o7 quick question. during opener doe AOE. If BtE is resetting and the reset gives 5cp do I use builder to get 6-7 and keep spamming until it doesnt?
serene cosmos
Sad that Trickster is the play, I could play ftb only on prepatch 😢
serene cosmos
o7 quick question. during opener doe AOE. If BtE is resetting and the reset give...
Correct
random stirrup
im basically topping, or legit 5% above first boss dps
im playing full st but our only intermission pull i was like 1k off top boss dps
still rocking the 276 weapon
serene cosmos
Are there any conditions where its best not to spam BtE?
<30 sec left on AR
flat stag
tyty
serene cosmos
You can hold BtE to supercharge it
jagged plover
we are just blasting like a normal spec
did you figure out why the aoe buff isnt as large as expected
like it was supposed to be 19% or something 
but u werent seeing it in keys
jagged plover
so my goat is washed is what you're telling me
vivid vessel
so my goat is washed is what you're telling me
well in theory my overalls should be quite a bit higher
st feels like it was buffed properly
jagged plover
ye that's what i mean
vivid vessel
but im doing less overall than i should for sure
unborn turtle
The aoe that hit dead mob is back
flat stag
Anyone familiar with this hud?
jagged plover
that's zacs hud
slim hare
but im doing less overall than i should for sure
bf hitting dead target again ?
valid badge
The goat
inner meadow
Anyone familiar with this hud?
never seen befoer
flat stag
Yeee, I need
inner meadow
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vivid vessel
bf hitting dead target again ?
doubt but like
idk
something is for sure diff
from sims to game
inland meteor
Yeee, I need
vivid vessel
i havent really tried looking into it much
i mean i do good damage so its like
its fine
idc much
but the on paper buff
is for sure less than what im getting in keys
slim hare
idk i feel like on big big pack with smallies i do less than only big mobs
random stirrup
idc much
is wa as easy to cook other class ui with as before or are you doing some jank to make stuff with midnight restrictions
slim hare
but i probably just suck
random stirrup
i have had enough of arcui
vivid vessel
is wa as easy to cook other class ui with as before or are you doing some jank t...
im not using weak aura to track coodlowns and buffs rn
im using ayjee
you cant track buffs with weak auras so
vivid vessel
im using ayjee and then i have a fwe weak aura on top of it
vivid vessel
there is no bugs on ayjee for me
long bramble
guys i think it s the moment i surrender myself to haste flask
vivid vessel
havent encountered one really
slim hare
ayjee works fine
long bramble
some keys i just wanna kms for like 3/4 min
random stirrup
i stuttered in an arena match and it loaded my outlaw pve cdm while i was playing sub
all my buttons were replaced
jagged plover
when i dc my ui always gets turbo fucked up and reloading doesnt even fix it half the time
long bramble
i stuttered in an arena match and it loaded my outlaw pve cdm while i was playin...
this sounds based tbh
jagged plover
it's very cool
random stirrup
you actually have to reload every single arena match
at the start
or it will just break
and your entire cdm go poof
jagged plover
that's hype
long bramble
cdm knows which one is the best spec bro
torn lichen
you actually have to reload every single arena match
it’s just trying to save you from pvp. 
random stirrup
we have fun!
torn lichen
we have fun!
long bramble
it’s just trying to save you from pvp. <:kekw:610125925413289985>
i mean outlaw pvp rn is peak
you re basically playing fury warr in disguise just zug zug
random stirrup
i just think if i get hojed in ar (which is going to happen) ill be very sad
seems like a spec that would feel very bad to play
long bramble
you do so much dmg rn that you don t even care about setupping
serene cosmos
from sims to game
Did someone checked smoke uptime?
gaunt phoenix
@vivid vessel i was testing stuff on ptr, swapped to sin and garrote base ticks were 729, but after i relogged it was 909
thoughts
you ever believe your damage can be bugged up and you just have to relog
random stirrup
I was also just sitting in silvermoon once and arc decided to rearrange all my cooldowns and untrack some and track new ones
basically had to build it from scratch
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> i was testing stuff on ptr, swapped to sin and garrote bas...
nice
i mean look bro
solo
after this patch
half the specs in the game
have bugs
that reduce their damage
serene cosmos
I've see weird things with the fazed 3* stacks buffs
vivid vessel
and thats only the bugs people were able to detect easely
random stirrup
<@352916297262301194> i was testing stuff on ptr, swapped to sin and garrote bas...
our ele went from 300k+ on every beloren burn and then was 200k the next day
swore he had god rng and did no damage
random stirrup
relogged and went back to 300k
long bramble
after this patch
we re paying this game monthly btw
torn lichen
New balancing approach. Random bugs ruining dps to make everyone look the same.
gaunt phoenix
i believe it
random stirrup
relogged and went back to 300k
he spent like 90 minutes unable to break 240k and instantly was back to 300k+ the entire night btw
vivid vessel
there is not a single key where thats true
random stirrup
it was broken
torn lichen
without putting much thought into it, what is “feels” of why it’s not hitting 13%
jagged plover
he spent like 90 minutes unable to break 240k and instantly was back to 300k+ th...
placebo bro surely
random stirrup
vivid vessel
and thats not accounting for me getting more gear also
and us optimising routes
so like
idk
long bramble
my overalls should be about 14% higher than last week
i mean you never do sim dmg 95% of the time
jagged plover
not comparing vs sim tho
slim hare
i mean you never do sim dmg 95% of the time
its not qbout doing sim dmg
jagged plover
comparing vs previous patch
serene cosmos
Someone here can tell me how you check target debuff on sim?
slim hare
its qbout sim delta which should be same ingame
torn lichen
i mean you never do sim dmg 95% of the time
It’s comparing previous output to current.
long bramble
yeah i know i understand
vivid vessel
ye sims tell me i should be doing 14% more overalls
im not doing 14% more overalls
so
random stirrup
idk i hit the 5 dummies for 10 mins like 3 times this weekend on law and was within 2k dps of my sim all 3 times
random stirrup
maybe a little over
long bramble
but like idk outlaw isnt like a straight up dps where you just press buttons
torn lichen
idk i hit the 5 dummies for 10 mins like 3 times this weekend on law and was wit...
I had a spell where I couldn’t break 56k with 4 buff. 
/reload
long bramble
maybe sim is rolling perma jackpot ahahhaha
torn lichen
Back to what it was
random stirrup
some of the things ive learned this tier reload may not be enough
prisma lantern
without putting much thought into it, what is “feels” of why it’s not hitting 13...
It seems to on target dummy for me.
I think it's just harder to play / unrealistic to actually get full fan damage from fart cloud.
Results from sub are pretty similar there.
slim hare
didnt think qbout it but i probably got that in raid the other day
vivid vessel
It seems to on target dummy for me.
I think it's just harder to play / unreali...
bro
random stirrup
the new fart cloud thing it should be irrelevant
torn lichen
There’s no playing around cloud
jagged plover
especially with recent revelations 
long bramble
you get cloud
guys dw we re gonna discover in a week that fazed debuff is bugged when you have multi stacks
prisma lantern
there is litteraly nothing going on
I mean if you have to move you're not getting full effect.
Also there's a chance your aoes not hitting the same shit so your not getting all 3 stacks but rather 1 or 2 on a bunch of mobs
torn lichen
When I can keep up 200-220k on cleave dummies to hit 4 roll and plateau at 56k. something went sideways.
random stirrup
I mean if you have to move you're not getting full effect.
Also there's a chan...
im gonna vaguepost here but press the button, walk out of the cloud and watch your buff
vivid vessel
I mean if you have to move you're not getting full effect.
Also there's a chan...
doesnt know 
slim hare
I mean if you have to move you're not getting full effect.
Also there's a chan...
no your not
vivid vessel
I mean if you have to move you're not getting full effect.
Also there's a chan...
also the stacking is instant
in aoe
cause it spread with melees
maybe it has an impact on like first pull academy
that shouldnt matter otherwsie
random stirrup
surely with the movement you spread it to most things
prisma lantern
Yes, eventually. Idk.
Maybe I'm out to lunch, but clearly it doesn't work as well in practice as it does on the dummy.
jagged plover
vivid vessel
outlaw chat is the best when we all think there is a conspiracy going on
which bf was still hitting dead mobs fr fr
slim hare
there is no conspiracy
random stirrup
the lead up to the bf conspiracy was 
slim hare
every class got bugged as hell with patch
random stirrup
so many gamers noticing things for so long
formal knot
it's not a conspiracy when they're actually out to get you 
slim hare
and like you said that the easely detectable one
random stirrup
and like you said that the easely detectable one
ok but this was actually not easily detectable at all
buoyant stratus
im gonna vaguepost here but press the button, walk out of the cloud and watch yo...
Vague posting to avoid bug reports? Sorry bud i already told tracer
vivid vessel
ok but this was actually not easily detectable at all
i mean
long bramble
which bf was still hitting dead mobs fr fr
bro idk what you re talking about is clearly true 
random stirrup
Vague posting to avoid bug reports? Sorry bud i already told tracer
scum assa player!
vivid vessel
its bf hitting dead target
its not like
bte doing 1.5 less damage when hitting a undead mob
ok
good luck ever figuring that one out
random stirrup
ye i just mean that people were looking in logs for a bf bug for a while
there was a lot of talk about it before
prisma lantern
I don't think there's a conspiracy. On the dummy is a 13% buff, in practice it's not a 13% buff.
I was speculating non bug reasons why that might be.
vivid vessel
and it took us 3 years to figure it out
buoyant stratus
scum assa player!
Subtlety traitor !!!1!!! 
vivid vessel
imagine something thats not visible
long bramble
the only thing i really can t understand is how you break a game SO HARD in a patch
random stirrup
Subtlety traitor !!!1!!! <:peepomad:585733840954458124>
not me bud
im coming back home
not a traitor
vivid vessel
like bte doing 1.3 damage in old dungeons after pressing it 40 times on a bird
glass heron
the only thing i really can t understand is how you break a game SO HARD in a pa...
vibecoding
prisma lantern
Maybe it's a bug, maybe it's just the talent specs not reliable or hard to implement in some situations
vivid vessel
how you finding that one out buddy
long bramble
vibecoding
starting to feel like AI coding ngl
buoyant stratus
im coming back home
Ah just on vacation with that hot young whore "outlaw" huh
slim hare
i mean im close to certain damage can get bricked and you have to relog to fix it
random stirrup
Ah just on vacation with that hot young whore "outlaw" huh
outlaw is home 
slim hare
good luck figuring how that happens
glass heron
starting to feel like AI coding ngl
am being dead seriuous
warm ridge
Guys im playing mainly m+ and dont really have access to mythic raids. Which trinkets should i run? Im playing solarflare and Kroluks warbanner atm, bit i have a feeling the warbanner is kinda bait in sims
serene cosmos
How can Fazed be 2 stacks out of Smoke?
random stirrup
like bte doing 1.3 damage in old dungeons after pressing it 40 times on a bird
i have brain damage i think zac
vivid vessel
i know
buoyant stratus
like bte doing 1.3 damage in old dungeons after pressing it 40 times on a bird
Im too new is this real or u just made up an example
Cause that would go hard
random stirrup
aug is the only one that is miserable
vivid vessel
Im too new is this real or u just made up an example
who knows
i havent tested
have you ?
buoyant stratus
Ah i thought u made an example out of something that actually happened haha
gaunt phoenix
How can Fazed be 2 stacks out of Smoke?
that's the average over all iterations. since AR does not activate at the same time every pull, it looks like that
crude flower
enjoyment
buoyant stratus
I wish there wasnt so much cp waste but its not the worst thing ever
Thats s2tww assa st
vivid vessel
how are you finding Outlaw rn
you're pumping
well gameplay wise its the worse iteration we ever had for sure, i can ellaborate if you want
otherwise damage wise its quite solid indeed, im not topping overalls but im topping st and overalls are good
long bramble
i have enjoyed every fotm class i have tried in midnight
how do you enjpy surrender to madness dh? i wanted to kms every 30 sec
random stirrup
the visuals are cool and i like trying to barely maintain uptime
crude flower
well gameplay wise its the worse iteration we ever had for sure, i can ellaborat...
Do elaborate
I'm actualloy interested to hear
random stirrup
its like hitting a last second kir or ar refresh on tww outlaw
buoyant stratus
You know what would make outlaw actually crazy, GS and echoing reprimand animacharged cp
Any truers??
stable nest
Charrend are you going law on lura
buoyant stratus
😢
serene cosmos
that's the average over all iterations. since AR does not activate at the same t...
Make sense, indeed...
crude flower
Again charrand i just imagine you irl as your pfp
just some monk that found his way to a computer with wow installed
gilded tinsel
You know what would make outlaw actually crazy, GS and echoing reprimand animach...
Castle Nathria type beat
buoyant stratus
Charrend are you going law on lura
Staying sub since im like 150 pulls deep
crude flower
comes down from the mountains every now and then to offer wisdom
long bramble
the visuals are cool and i like trying to barely maintain uptime
my issue is if i press star or ray and a mech happens i m not interrupting cast gl
jovial dome
Do elaborate
Why would you do this?! <_<
random stirrup
my issue is if i press star or ray and a mech happens i m not interrupting cast ...
oh ye this is turbo cringe and im omega floor pov in these keys
buoyant stratus
comes down from the mountains every now and then to offer wisdom
The wisdom being a shitpost
buoyant stratus
my haste is also kinda low
Bro i played with rawrdh
random stirrup
the amount of times i start a cstar cast, then a swirl spawns under me, i greed it and die to said swirl before my cast ever goes off
long bramble
i would be very scared to play it in a real key
aug can rescue without interrupting your cast
buoyant stratus
Like if devour is nerfed maybe people just play havoc and nothing changes typeshit
long bramble
Like if devour is nerfed maybe people just play havoc and nothing changes typesh...
yeah maybe like a 45% aura nerf
gilded tinsel
Havoc already topping Lura on CN
random stirrup
aug can rescue without interrupting your cast
no one in my group will play ts
i am the only one who would consider it and i will not do this
we are probably just playing ddh demo udk
giga damage comp!
no feral or arms player for me to go outlaw
unlucky!
sudden veldt
feral buff outlaw?
random stirrup
druid buff yes
ashen void
every outlaw does better when they have a kitten
buoyant stratus
Try playing outlaw without skyfury and no triple threat
long bramble
i just moved from eu to the states so i have no friends so i m unleashed i m vibing on outlaw
buoyant stratus
Brb taking a shower while my energy regens
flat stag
Anyone know a way to get into Ayije cdm options? Using /cdm isn't bringing up the actual addon options and only the blizzard cdm
glass heron
Anyone know a way to get into Ayije cdm options? Using /cdm isn't bringing up th...
acdm
flat stag
bless
buoyant stratus
Im so ready for the zac manifesto its been 5 minutes of typing
torn lichen
Im so ready for the zac manifesto its been 5 minutes of typing
soon ™
ashen void
long bramble
Im so ready for the zac manifesto its been 5 minutes of typing
he s getting ready for some new propaganda about some theorical bug
buoyant stratus
Imagine all this typing
torn lichen
couldn’t possibly be any bugs in this vibe coded game.
radiant wyvern
120 wpm
buoyant stratus
gilded tinsel
torn lichen
vivid vessel
Do elaborate
- energy is very very bad especially on low target count (2/3 targets) you will always run out and not be able to press things for legit minutes
- its quite frustrating that every single builder builds you up to 5 cp (ss proc, 2 ss, fth, ace) but you need to build again till 6 + cps, so you essentially waste cps everytime
- the rng feels extreme and very up in your face rn, you can not roll a 3 or more buff for legit 10 min straight (actually happened to me in a skyreach run) and then you dont kir for that entire duration really
- Gameplay is not particularly interesting, we lost most of the last little bit of depth we had with builders and finisher rules when we went from fate to trickster, now you can pretty much build to 6 always, and press any builder at any cp
- killing spree is still rng targetting so i feel like im wasting my time everytime i press it on a boss with adds around or when i want to do prio damage
- ss cp gain on proc is delayed now so it feels slugish, i basically catch myself looking at fth procs increasing to know i got cps instead of looking at cps themselves
- apex proc cp refund is also delayed feels bad
- tea feels bad, its basically infinite energy for the first 3 min of a run then you run out of it and you cant ever recover more than 1 charge so you get energy limited for the rest of the run, very frontloaded weird af
- some bomb forced me to lower my partcile visuals to low so i cant see my healer link anymore + some mechs are scuffed
- prep feels weird cause it refund your cds but then you have to sit on adr till old one is ended so you waste infinite cdr, its a nice button to press still tho
- thats all that i can think of off the top of my mind rn
crude flower
- energy is very very bad especially on low target count (2/3 targets) you will ...
Yea, thanks for the rambles btw
I do remember reading the notes for trickster and thinking that like
it's a nice damage buff, but it seems to be at the expense of enjoyment
vivid vessel
it is
long bramble
- energy is very very bad especially on low target count (2/3 targets) you will ...
can we pin this?
tired wolf
- energy is very very bad especially on low target count (2/3 targets) you will ...
whats the tech for reducing bomb visual?
torn lichen
I’d find tricky more enjoyable if KiR did a +1 buff. AR had a slightly reduced cd. 5cp didn’t feel like trash.
river wing
Yea, thanks for the rambles btw
I do remember reading the notes for trickster a...
it really is
vivid vessel
whats the tech for reducing bomb visual?
parctile density > low
torn lichen
whats the tech for reducing bomb visual?
Dropping it away from anything important.
iron trout
a question in regards to poisons for M+, why is Athropic the go to one, compared to numbing poison ?
torn lichen
parctile density > low
Does low prevent some of the boss mechanic glows from turning 2 shades of black?
vivid vessel
Does low prevent some of the boss mechanic glows from turning 2 shades of black?
idk i havent noticed many mechanics changing
but
torn lichen
I tried good and it was nothing useful
vivid vessel
the fire on last boss skyreach is not as visible at all
reef hull
- energy is very very bad especially on low target count (2/3 targets) you will ...
I totally agree with this, and i cannot understand how they hard-ruined this spec since dragonflight release, Is embarassing i used to be since outlaw release (and combat aswell) a lover of the spec but rn It seems like patch by patch they have to fix (unluckily) all errors this One have
vivid vessel
and the frontal from these ravager mobs on academy is invisible
buoyant stratus
Does low prevent some of the boss mechanic glows from turning 2 shades of black?
Low prevents many things such as: emberwing frontal being even more invisible, the fire patches on last boss skyreach being invisible etc
crude flower
I really do hope they change around outlaw, your a really good player Zac and it sucks to hear that your spec isn't too fun :<
reef hull
Even with spell pruning Is weird to play outlaw
reef hull
Even with 13% buff Is One of the lowest played class of the season
torn lichen
idk I’ve never had a shaman that ever put it any place else besides the tank
vivid vessel
idk I’ve never had a shaman that ever put it any place else besides the tank
i mean its not really an issue really but
river wing
Even with 13% buff Is One of the lowest played class of the season
unless outlaw is omegapumping, like legit unreasonable, it will never be played much
torn lichen
I get it
vivid vessel
i also would rather see it you know
pure folio
torn lichen
why is your link in the lava?
reef hull
unless outlaw is omegapumping, like legit unreasonable, it will never be played ...
It used to be "normally played" like early shadowlands
torn lichen
It used to be "normally played" like early shadowlands
Everything else rogue wise was shit early SL
Now all three are shit
jagged plover
they just gotta stop with this energy deprivation shit
it's never fun or interesting
reef hull
But even in 9.0 outlaw was fine
jagged plover
let me press buttons
torn lichen
9.0 outlaw was the only playable rogue spec. 
river wing
It used to be "normally played" like early shadowlands
so like
at the point where class design was significantly different for just about every spec in the game?...
random stirrup
put tea on restless so that outlaw has infinite energy
pirate guy chugging tea every 15s
slim hare
i also would rather see it you know
you forgot no more bte chain is like no more dopamine for you since we have to waste cp in between
reef hull
put tea on restless so that outlaw has infinite energy
Or Just remove some proc depentant spells
jolly geyser
Put every ability on restless
vivid vessel
you forgot no more bte chain is like no more dopamine for you since we have to w...
well i did say all builders goes up to 5 including ace
jagged plover
based
slim hare
true
jolly geyser
rename tea to beer
Rum
river wing
rename tea to beer
ale
jagged plover
yer
lilac forge
pirate guy chugging tea every 15s
Makes me want to have "swig o' rum" as a defensive
jagged plover
that would go hard
random stirrup
yeah make it rum and also make it give you a bit of stagger
river wing
Or Just remove some proc depentant spells
like what
tbh the current outlaw's amount of abilities is fine
random stirrup
mini brewmaster
reef hull
like what
tbh the current outlaw's amount of abilities is fine
Too many proc depentant imho, and Energy starved aswell, Is weird to press thousand of buttons without feeling anything, and sometimes to have nothing to press and go behind the healer
river wing
Too many proc depentant imho, and Energy starved aswell, Is weird to press thous...
idk
I love the procs
energy could be better yes, but the actual proc amount is good and actually makes the spec feel dynamic AF
like it's what
SS, PS, BtE, Dispatch for the actual rotation, BF for AoE
everything else is a CD
reef hull
It Is balanced for this i know but i still didnt enjoy this modern outlaw gameplay
random stirrup
I wish AR just made you do more damage and you had 0.8s gcd all the time
gaunt phoenix
AR gives you x% damage based on haste
slim hare
Too many proc depentant imho, and Energy starved aswell, Is weird to press thous...
i dont feel the amount of procs is the issue; energy starved is horrendous and effectiveness of ace proc is bad too; chaining bte was the best feeling but they ruined it
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
AR gives you x% damage based on haste
bro ..
jolly geyser
Mastery increases ar dmg
river wing
legit just
make Ace refund full CP
make RtB 2+ give you Buried Treasure again
random stirrup
mastery should've been gun damage a long time ago 
radiant wyvern
legit just
make Ace refund full CP
make RtB 2+ give you Buried Treasure again
Buried Treasure? We're not pirates here, go play with your tumbleweed and calm down
river wing
Buried Treasure? We're not pirates here, go play with your tumbleweed and calm d...
just call it Vagabond's Endurance, idk
actually don't call it anything, it's just part of RtB 2+, there's no need for an extra name
worldly shale
call it high noon
river wing
mastery should've been gun damage a long time ago <:CAUGHT:1304605709618511893>
what about
gun damage
and MORE gun crit damage?
random stirrup
this reminds me
river wing
max mastery stacking build
x6 bte crits
we gamba
random stirrup
bro ..
zac have you seen new udk mastery
this is most busted design i ever witness
random geyser
What if mastery was just ace reset chance 😄
vivid vessel
what is it rylder
jolly geyser
What udk mastery do
random stirrup
your mastery gives you pet damage, and scales your pet crit damage
the more mastery you have the more crit damage you get
vivid vessel
i see
random stirrup
so crit and mastery giga scale each other
like havoc had this before with just crit scaling crit damage
but now the stats are just giga synergistic
scaling monster
paper grove
firelash is the missve right?
river wing
for crit/haste? yeah
slim hare
scaling monster
lets see them getting nerf by 50% next season
river wing
lets see them getting nerf by 50% next season
UDK? fat chance
slim hare
scaling is useless when they do balance patch like that
radiant wyvern
lets see them getting nerf by 50% next season
10% nerf and then 20% buff hotfix after
slim hare
UDK? fat chance
yeah just like paladin having 0 scaling but getting like 25% up everyseason to be in line with other
sure
river wing
and even in TWW S3 when Frost was better
it wasn't because UDK was bad
it was because Frost was insane
random stirrup
the benefit of scaling well is that you aren't reliant on blizzard knowing how to tune the game
and they do not know how to tune the game
jolly geyser
Surely
slim hare
at leat the last few expansion
random stirrup
Tbf i feel like game is tuned good
??????????????
slim hare
you dealer must be the same that blizzard have
random stirrup
they buffed devourer and udk
buoyant cosmos
Almost every key I see that's above a 17 is Brew Rdruid unholy aug devourer
random stirrup
by sizable amounts
jagged plover
full phys comp just gets you to near the level of udk/dev when they're in any comp
slim hare
0.5 wasnt a balance patch
random stirrup
they also buffed devourer before .5
slim hare
it was a patch to fix specs design
buffing dh was a siide effect
which is even worse
jagged plover
if it changed balance it was a balance patch
slim hare
if it changed balance it was a balance patch <:garf:1320173032743899157>
the goal wasnt to balance spec
random stirrup
nothing will beat df2
slim hare
and its worse cause fixing some design broke everything else
random stirrup
they were smoking crazy style in df2
slim hare
including balance x)
buoyant cosmos
nothing will beat df2
That was aug/fire/Spriest right?
random stirrup
yes
slim hare
they were smoking crazy style in df2
cant belive they were smoking
buoyant cosmos
top 200 keys same comp lol
random stirrup
release aug was an abomination like the world has never seen
random stirrup
nah dev is nothing in comparison
shadow trellis
they will make it bis
buoyant cosmos
release aug was an abomination like the world has never seen
Just need different support specs
random stirrup
aug made your group go up 3 full key levels and it still felt easier
it was that op
shadow trellis
damn
keen belfry
thaw was a funny season
jagged plover
nah support specs are just a mistake
shadow trellis
i dont like Aug
keen belfry
u legit just played god comp like 3 key levels above rank 1 players
buoyant cosmos
nah support specs are just a mistake <:garf:1320173032743899157>
I don't like playing with them, but I don't think they'll get rid of them
random stirrup
they had to nerf key scaling permanently
after nerfing aug
they just minused like 4 keys levels from the m+ scaling
buoyant cosmos
Aug giving minimal benefit to outlaw in DF felt so bad too
slim hare
isnt it even worse now?
buoyant cosmos
I don't know. I don't think it could be worse
random stirrup
outlaw isnt pure vers stacking so it should be better
idk how ar lines up with breath
jagged plover
aug is a worse mistake for this game than yuumi was for league
slim hare
aug is a worse mistake for this game than yuumi was for league <:garf:1320173032...
for sure
cause blizzard metrics bullshit prevent them from aknowledging the mistake and killing aug
while yummi can be dogshit and no one care
random stirrup
damn
if you want an example
aug has a group buff called black attunement
it now just gives 2% max hp permanently
on launch it gave 5% at all times like priest fort
and when they pressed their defensive, it was empowered to instead give 20% max hp
hardy thicket
Yeah it was so funny that you could just wall and minishout ur entire group
random stirrup
on beta* it was nerfed on release to only be 16%
random stirrup
rescue was still a 30% hp external that had like a 50s cd
hardy thicket
Breath absorb wasnt capped either first few days
random stirrup
instead of 8% primary to dps like it gives now, it was 16%? I think to tanks and healers as well
hardy thicket
U could legit get an absorb the size of their hp on every player
random stirrup
blistering scales was like 10% dr to the tank with the ridiculous amount of armor it gave
severe cliff
can any1 tell me what addon this is where he puts this mark on hisself?
that could really help finding myself in those big pulls 😄
slim hare
and it was due to aug dh making the key easier by a mile
random stirrup
yeah fire mage was also the highest dps spec in the game and they hotfix nerfed it by 20% 2 days before release
and it was still number 1
slim hare
can any1 tell me what addon this is where he puts this mark on hisself?
its a WA
ashen void
Finding one's self is an existential task you're saddled with for as long as you shall be, no addon will help with this
random stirrup
but for aug it was literally incomprehensible how it made it to live in that state
keen belfry
can any1 tell me what addon this is where he puts this mark on hisself?
u can download WildUTools
buoyant cosmos
instead of 8% primary to dps like it gives now, it was 16%? I think to tanks and...
It did buff tanks
random stirrup
yeah idk why i wrote think it did buff them
slim hare
sry dumb question what is a WA?
weakaura
buoyant cosmos
yeah idk why i wrote think it did buff them
You were trying to nerf them in your mind lol
severe cliff
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/wildutools can do this
downloading rn
slim hare
didnt know wildutools could do that
severe cliff
thank you
buoyant cosmos
"it couldn't have been this good"
tepid star
Is anyone good m+ player and can help me out Review my log where I lose my dmg ? I don’t feel Like I do terrible Bad but Somehow im just do 120k dps
Sems like its bf but I cant fix it, staying in mobs all time
buoyant cosmos
i played spriest that season
Spriest is #1 rogue alt
Did you still have searing nightmare in S2?
random stirrup
no you lost it after season 1
buoyant cosmos
I think they got rid of that w/ DF actually
severe cliff
yeah
random stirrup
it was def in s1 because i remember pressing it in nokhud and aa
random stirrup
s2 was giga spirits era
buoyant cosmos
Is anyone good m+ player and can help me out Review my log where I lose my dmg ?...
You can use the command !log to start a thread and post your run(s) there for people to look at
tepid star
!log
severe cliff
is it possible to activate this only in combat? like he had on stream?
tepid star
Thanks
buoyant cosmos
The priest tier was banging too, looked so cool
The halo effect in shadow form is perfect
keen belfry
is it possible to activate this only in combat? like he had on stream?
open it in edit mode cuh
flat stag
Not sure how to get my rtb buff tracker to show which set of buffs I got and Opp isn't showing on proc. Any clue?
Its listed in buff groups but its still not showing
static crescent
You need to track the actual buff
it says something like "one of a kind"
that one will show all of them when added
grim spear
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
static crescent
I can see your tracking Loaded dice there which is a different thing
flat stag
let me try
static crescent
oke, then it should work
vivid vessel
you didmnt import the blizzard cdm tho
slim hare
and opportunity should work
static crescent
I would have legit loved zacs ui, but im too old and the icons were too small, and acdm bugged the shit out when changing icon sizes
can pmuch do identical with arcui
hallow spoke
is there anything similar to SUF these days?
spark forum
what's preferred, void or hunt sigil on mh crafted weapon?
slim hare
is there anything similar to SUF these days?
msuf
gaunt phoenix
also unhalted unit frames
hallow spoke
ty boys
keen belfry
np
zenith egret
Do we have a "bis" list order to use roll on ?
gaunt phoenix
mythic chimaerus/beloren/crown > mythic pit > whatever dungeon for slot
left moat
!log
stoic topaz
Ive been struggling a bit with rotation a bit in PvE stuff. Mostly when there’s a lot of chaotic things happening and then lose my place of prioritization. Is it always bad to use ADR when BtE on cd? Since we wanna use BtE on the supercharged points?
gaunt phoenix
you want to hold bte for supercharger, but not the other way around
you dont hold AR, if bte isnt ready, oh well
the mistake is bte not being ready
cinder relic
mythic chimaerus/beloren/crown > mythic pit > whatever dungeon for slot
Skyreach is a good spot too
gaunt phoenix
e
stoic topaz
Ok that makes sense ty!
gaunt phoenix
ye
cinder relic
Shoulder chest, weapon, trinket bad but it's best from dungeons
random stirrup
what about when i press bte because ar has 31s left and then i dont reset
and now i need to supercharge a dispatch
gaunt phoenix
if AR is ahead of bte by 1 finisher you can dispatch first
unkempt dew
Are these the standard colors?
random stirrup
feelcraft wins out 
glass quartz
!log
stoic topaz
What’s the nuance of wanting to hold until 6 CP instead of 5 for dispatch and BtE? Is it just cause the slightly higher tier of finisher dmg? There’s so many times I have 5 and instinctively want to use my finisher 😭
Higher % for ace proc?
keen belfry
its just more dmg
placid ocean
Bigger damage. You finish at 5 with dispatch in fatebound because of coins.
stoic topaz
We often overcap CP going for 6+ points in those moments tho right? And I’m guessing it’s still way worth
slim hare
We often overcap CP going for 6+ points in those moments tho right? And I’m gues...
not worse even when wasting cp unfortunately
feeling sucks but it is what it is
molten pond
what flask would you suggest me, haste (for the cap) or crit ?
cinder relic
Sim it
molten pond
when i compare on murlok.io I feel crit would be better, but the haste looks important
cinder relic
Stop looking at this website
gaunt phoenix
crit will probably win but you will low roll a bit
20% haste is "enough to get by"
but it's low
molten pond
Stop looking at this website
I mean it literally takes the top 50 rogue and average their stat, it's hard to do better
leaden sonnet
I mean it literally takes the top 50 rogue and average their stat, it's hard to ...
Yeah but its useless info
tepid geode
i completely forgot about the bte rule with supercharge, that's why i deal dogwater dmg 
leaden sonnet
Theres literally nothing useful to gain from looking at this info
slim hare
I mean it literally takes the top 50 rogue and average their stat, it's hard to ...
its hard to do worth you mean
gaunt phoenix
bte thing is about 2% dmg
inner yacht
you cant chose ur stats even the top 50 rogues might not have the perfect gear just use sim
molten pond
Yeah but its useless info
unless you are in the top 50, it is
keen belfry
its useless cuh
leaden sonnet
unless you are in the top 50, it is
No
gaunt phoenix
it's not rocket science to get an idea from what other people are doing
gleaming glade
any outlaws willing to share any mythic vanguard logs? Looking to play it tonight (been progging as sin but think after buffs outlaw maybe good)
worldly shale
is there anything similar to SUF these days?
theres suf on github, im using it
shadow trellis
Are these the standard colors?
Yeah, think its the fog in caverns
cinder relic
I mean it literally takes the top 50 rogue and average their stat, it's hard to ...
It's useless info though
Why would u check somebody else's gear when we have tools that allow you to sim your own gear
lone surge
Hiw good is our tier set in m+?
shadow trellis
Tbf simming takes time and some know how
jovial hinge
i completely forgot about the bte rule with supercharge, that's why i deal dogwa...
What’s that rule? To use bte with supercharger?
gaunt phoenix
What’s that rule? To use bte with supercharger?
if AR cooldown is < 30s or so then you hold bte for upcoming supercharger
shadow trellis
If you are brand new you can just look at Murlok io and get an idea of whats good gear wise
so i kinda get that
jovial hinge
if AR cooldown is < 30s or so then you hold bte for upcoming supercharger
I did not know this 😭
jagged plover
does murloc even take into account consumables too
lean tartan
tepid geode
my dumbaaaah also forgot about prep ong
gaunt phoenix
does murloc even take into account consumables too
it doesnt
jagged plover
ya even more fake then
novel isle
if I have BF buff already, im full on CP and have BF and BtE up, do I BF first to put it on CD before I BtE?
gaunt phoenix
no you bte
novel isle
ty 🙂
inner yacht
you dont bf for dmg you do it for cp
novel isle
isnt BF our most damaging ability?
jagged plover
no
remote pecan
you mean blade rush?
jagged plover
it echoes all our other abilities
remote pecan
no it's for CPs
pearl trout
nope
novel isle
ya but i mean the flat dmg on bf cast
gotchya ty 🙂
vivid vessel
I mean bf is a very hard hitting ability
But you can still get both cps and damage
The cps are also very valuable
molten pond
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ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
vivid vessel
Well you still do that, just not at finisher level cp
But if you are at 5 cp you can bf
novel isle
appreciate it 🙂
silent crow
But does BtE dmg aoe spread with BF
Yep, if the BF buff is active then BtE will cleave just like everything else
stoic topaz
So if you have full CP, and BtE and BF cd’s both ready. BF not applied or about to fall off. Is it still better to BtE before BF?
Or would you BF before BtE dump?
silent crow
BF first, it's most important to keep BF active than to worry about wasting those combo points
And you don't want to miss out on big BtE aoe damage by using it before reactivating BF
stoic topaz
Right ok. I just wanted to make sure. My question was very similar to Danny but my scenario was if BF was down lol
silent crow
Yeah if you're in 2+ target and BF is down, your top priority is getting it back up
stoic topaz
You always want to maintain BF even if it’s only 2 targets?