outlaw

[vivid vessel]

but our damage profile is good this tier

we dont have anti funnel like we did in s3 tww

we basically do full st in aoe

and our st is very good

[royal hollow]

zac

[nova sinew]

incoming lies

[buoyant stratus]

MOGGEd

MOGGED

MOGGEd

[crude flower]

It must be really good
can't remember hte last time i heard Zac say smth good about outlaw

[vivid vessel]

he mooged you tho

[nova sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4693057381493629157

[buoyant stratus]

pack it up

we're done here bud

Back to sub rogue with u

[vivid vessel]

idk i feel like i have always been very objective about the tuning side of the spec

[glass shard]

im energy starved more often which is kinda cringe but it feels pretty good otherwise

[vivid vessel]

even tho im often very critical of the gameplay issues

[crude flower]

Yea i know im just being a bastard

[glass shard]

im having fun being logged in

thats for sure

[royal hollow]

kyrian shadowdust/late TWW/currrent outlaw, rate them for me, fun wise @vivid vessel

[crude flower]

I still have the urge to say "Zac you are the skill of a noob"
or whatever that random guy said that one time

that is for some reason stuck in my head

[royal hollow]

idk whats going on with the spec now

[gaunt phoenix]

kyrian>>>>>>>>>>>

[uneven fog]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[viscid scaffold]

do i prep mainly for bte resett or ?

[cinder relic]

When Zac is saying the spec is fine you know it's op

[crude flower]

eExactly

[royal hollow]

ty solo, see you again next rework

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you prep for an extra blade rush and bte, and then adrenaline rush once the current AR expires

[crude flower]

Watch out they might nerf outlaw though

because
idk why

It's blizzard

[vivid vessel]

thats not true tho

[glass shard]

kappa

[vivid vessel]

i said its good this season

[viscid scaffold]

is this only for opener with bte and blade rush and then for AR afterwards?

[vivid vessel]

and im bottom dps eveyr key

[glass shard]

good = codeword for omega turbo busted

[vivid vessel]

and im the only member not bringing a raid buff

[crude flower]

Isn't that every season

like

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass shard]

i.e 1% of mage strength

[crude flower]

regardless of outlaw

[vivid vessel]

s2 tww it was very good

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[viscid scaffold]

tyvm sir

[blazing field]

hey, do u guys clip Killing Spree with full CP?

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes

[glass shard]

i let it full channel for vibes

[gaunt phoenix]

the "rule" is to clip if you cap energy during the channel

[vivid vessel]

kyrian dust had acro tho so, if you ignore that i would rate it similar to late tww when we had double vanish
current outlaw is garbage, worse iteration i ever played by an insane margin

[glass shard]

now imagine how much less fun it would be

if udid less damage

(last patch)

[crude flower]

What if outlaw had a raid buff that gave the group more damage but it would be throwing some nondescript, acholic pirate beverage that made everyone drunk and unable to move right

[glass shard]

btw

im 280

i only sim like 80k ?

[crude flower]

Damn ur old

[glass shard]

has to be fake

[jolly geyser]

Drink buff that disables strafing

[crude flower]

Can't imagine being 280 years old

[glass shard]

real

[crude flower]

Blizzard does that for you already

[royal hollow]

was considering coming back,,,,maybbe next time

[crude flower]

with this amazing new patch

wym

[royal hollow]

i would rate kyrian>tww s2 as well...didnt know current is this bad lol

[viscid scaffold]

do i still AR + snd before key?

[glass shard]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[gaunt phoenix]

AR yes, you SND during bubble

[crude flower]

The last time i played outlaw as a main was in SL where i didn't know what a guide was and played at literally 4-10fps the entire exapc

I'm basically knowledgeable as you can be

[glass shard]

average dps in my keys:

nothing makes me feel as good as being 5th to be invited

[crude flower]

Speaking of is it easier getting invites as outlaw now after the buff or is being a rogue still a downside

Tbh haven't been getting invited at all on my main (SV)

ok nevermind

you answered my question

[glass shard]

LMAO

🤝

[thick crag]

As outlaw do we KIR as soon as a we roll a 3+ or do we track the timer for the RtB buff and then KiR for longer?

[glass shard]

im doing 16s/17s

for refrence

[gaunt phoenix]

you kir immediately

[crude flower]

I've done an 18 but the rest of my keys are dogwater

17 MC

[thick crag]

ty

[crude flower]

and rest are done on 16s

[glass shard]

im sad i took a 2 week break for runescape leagues

feel so "behind" now

[jaunty arrow]

Anyone else running 1 button? xD

[glass shard]

❓

ws

was

[crude flower]

Same here
But tbh i got people in my guild with resil 18s

so i can easily catch up

[glass shard]

<-- no guild

[thick crag]

ngl, i feel dumb as hell trying to learn this rotation lol. Sub has ruined me.

[jaunty arrow]

Dont stress it, Im assa and I feel the same

[frigid pelican]

So are you using kir as soon as it’s off cooldown like AR or save it for bosses?

[crude flower]

Genuinly wanna do keys but cba doing 16s and stuff

Just wanna get into the 18s already >:(

[silver venture]

recommend fishing while in q

its chill , really nice

[crude flower]

I genuinely misread that as fisting and got really concerned

[strange kelp]

Different people have different preferences

[crude flower]

Would pass the time ig

[silver venture]

i mean suit yourself ey

[crude flower]

I mean i could try getting into some 17s but it feels like a waste of time

phys comp 17 skyreach

with an outlaw :O
First one i've seen after the changes, funnily enogh

[echo temple]

how do i get mrt to announce stuff in my note from lorrgs?
is that possible? or do i need another addon?

[sleek basin]

Hey is there any big difference in gameplay between Fatebound and trickster ?

[paper rivet]

Trickster plays with Killingspree and finishes at 6+ CP
Fatebound can finish at 5+

[craggy barn]

slight finisher rule difference, and trickster plays ks

also trickster gets perma tricks

[sleek basin]

yeah ok, but we dont have to track any of the trickster buff then ?

[craggy barn]

not really

u dont need to track hero talent stuff for either tho so

[sleek basin]

Ok ok, and for the cloud stuff we just want to stay in it for the full duration right ?

[craggy barn]

well for trickster u could track cloud cover buff if u want to optimize a bit more

u dont need to

it refreshes when it ends

[wintry solar]

Amazing

[edgy owl]

it refreshes when you leave it, no?

[frail veldt]

It refreshes while you're in it

[crude flower]

Was resil so it's going again

[edgy owl]

yeah but if it ends you're not in it, it doesn't refresh right?

[frail veldt]

No it doesn't

[craggy barn]

it currently does

lol

[frail veldt]

Im sorry what

Mine doesn't

[craggy barn]

unless they fixed it in the last 12 hours

i tested it last night and it worked that way

[edgy owl]

mine doesn't either

[jagged plover]

it absolutely doesn't and you definitely shouldn't check it in-game

[frail veldt]

At least it didn't when I was playing on Tuesday

[craggy barn]

check again

ez to test

[frail veldt]

I have a tracker for it lol that was explicitly what I was testing

But I'm not home rn

[sleek basin]

And is it just me or I feel like trickster has more energy regen than fatebound ? (my haste is quite low tho 14%, but I didnt have much issue has fatebound)

[frail veldt]

So I can't

[jagged plover]

nothing changed since they fixed the distract bug

[frail veldt]

So @craggy barn you're saying you literally never need to be in it effectively

[craggy barn]

believe it or not, trickster has more energy issues than fatebound

[craggy barn]

yes

[frail veldt]

Bahahahaha

So the visual is just an annoyance

[craggy barn]

yes

[jagged plover]

word of this must not leave the channel

not that most other specs would care

[sleek basin]

These hero talent feels like they are useless tbh...

[jagged plover]

perma tricks is nice

[sleek basin]

true

[gaunt phoenix]

they were but cloud cover is a ridiculous dmg bonus

[gaunt phoenix]

bro ..

[jagged plover]

[random stirrup]

delete this nephew

[craggy barn]

i wanted proof from not me

[plain ravine]

casted and stood outside it

[random stirrup]

delete this too nephew

[vivid vessel]

!purge 100

[gray summit]

guys i can do Pit 10 to reroll ?

doesnt need to do more ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[craggy barn]

10 minumum yes

[gray summit]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[jaunty arrow]

whats the command to remove cloud visual?=

[jolly geyser]

!uninstall

[jaunty arrow]

xD there is a console command to lower the density of the visual

[plain ravine]

i dont think its a commandi think yuo just turn down the particle density setting

[jaunty arrow]

alr

[rugged nova]

Do you ks and ar before the bubble countdown or during?

[plain ravine]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[gaunt phoenix]

before the key is entered

[inner meadow]

omg

i've been queuing for 3 hours

[long bramble]

photoshop

[livid pewter]

decline, its bait

[hasty warren]

Someone know if L'Ura is bugfixed ?

[inner meadow]

yea

i decliend

[sleek basin]

Why cant I find a place in a +10 group while being at 270ilvl....

[livid pewter]

what spec u playing?

[sleek basin]

And when I find one im always the best dps by far

outlaw ofc

[livid pewter]

there u go, thats the answer

[sleek basin]

:)

[livid pewter]

[sleek basin]

😃 🔫

People dont get baited :(

[inner meadow]

😭

im gonna kms

[unkempt dew]

Do I just sim the embellishments?

[craggy barn]

ye

ur doing keys behind skill curve. u will run into lower skilled players always at that level since all the good ones are doing higher keys on avg

[sleek basin]

When we're at 5 cps and 6 stacks of ps I guess we have to ps and waste cp ?

[livid pewter]

ye

[sleek basin]

I wonder if the designers of outlaw ever played the spec...

[craggy barn]

as far as we know we dont have a dedicated designer

rn

[livid pewter]

which designer?

[unkempt dew]

Hmm sims tell me to take the embellishments for the weapons

[sleek basin]

Im gonna cry fr

[paper rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[karmic gust]

is there something specific that needs to be done to get bte resets on trickster ? When I press AR and use bte it never resets itself

there's no way i'm that unlucky

[cinder relic]

Nope nothing special

[karmic gust]

so I'm that unlucky

gg

[unkempt dew]

Skill issue

[frail veldt]

How often are you expecting it to reset

[karmic gust]

at least once to have two supercharged bte when pressing AR

no problem getting any resets on fatebound

[long bramble]

i played a dungeon without neither warr or monk

dont do it

[frail veldt]

Well it's 6% per combo point right?

So like 45% for a full CP supercharged bte

[karmic gust]

I've been trying to get a single reset after pressing AR, has yet to happen after 8 tries

i'd like to know the probability on that

bc that sounds unlucky af

[twilit axle]

You arent hitting bte hard enough.

The harder you press your key the more likely to reset

[karmic gust]

keycap has come off the keyboard can't do more bro

[fluid meadow]

press harder ( no prep) i think best chain was 8 this season to me, that contains a reset but without prep

[frail veldt]

What if you don't have it talented lol

[glass mortar]

isnt it 60%

a AR supercharged CP is 10 CP

[frail veldt]

Idk is it?

[karmic gust]

6% x 7cp

[glass mortar]

since AR gave u full

[frail veldt]

Oh is SC 3 extra?

[glass mortar]

supercharged counts as 3

[frail veldt]

Then yeah 60

[glass mortar]

6*10

[karmic gust]

it's even more miserable then

[frail veldt]

I mean don't focus on it

[twilit axle]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-kiss-dosie-thinking-confused-math-gif-23643972

[frail veldt]

It won't make you do more DPS lol

To think about your proc chance

[twilit axle]

Follow priority, press buttons, make sure you are autoing.....win?

[karmic gust]

yeah even without procs it beats fatebound anyway

sadge

[thick crag]

best way to track RtB buff using Arc? I have it setup to show the buff but it may be showing the same buff over and over and not sure I have it setup correctly.

I thought it was showing each stage earlier but just now i noticed it not changing icons as i was testing rotation

[karmic gust]

i tried to do it as well and after checking the fstack of the icon and the combat log, you just can't. They use the same texture for all 4 stages and randomize the name of the icon once the texture for the stage is applied

[thick crag]

lmao, that sounds insane to me

[tepid leaf]

Do we have a way to deal with orbs affix in keys easily?

[novel isle]

Its not so bad, think I need to drop some mastery though

[glass mortar]

aoe blind off a mob near them

but thats the only way u have

so if nothings alive near them someone elses job 🙂

[tepid leaf]

isn't that a talent we need to spec into?

ah yes airborn

[keen belfry]

anyone have an issue where ur logs just stop

like i just log half dungeons

[formal knot]

i had that issue using raider.io autologging but haven't had it happen with MRT autologging yet

[novel isle]

!addons

!addon

fk me

[keen belfry]

ooo that may be it

i had this enabled

[formal knot]

yeah it worked fine in TWW but i noticed it sometimes started logging after a boss kill in m+ or something

[thorny zinc]

can we not killing spree if u get taken by the bird on skyreach

[keen belfry]

i dont like this'

[vivid vessel]

ye

noob

skill issue

couldnt be me

[keen belfry]

i kinda am really disliking rtb

its growing off me

[mystic peak]

i have always been a certified rtb hater

[random stirrup]

old rtb was much better

[mystic peak]

i dont think so

[keen belfry]

i just really really hate perma rolling 2 buff

[mystic peak]

idk i like that i cant unlucky bad roll the whole time

[keen belfry]

u can

[random stirrup]

just proc cto

if you rolled poorly before you could at least proc out of it and then kir those buffs

now you sit on kir for minutes because perma 2 buff roll

[frail veldt]

Unfortunately you very much can

I think our lowroll is worse now than in tww/df

[random stirrup]

you roll 2buff and then say "well guess im waiting for next AR to try again"

[frail veldt]

The new rtb being a stacking stage system makes it very high variance I think

Before you kinda always just floated around 4 buffs

[vivid vessel]

new rtb is just

10 times worse

[buoyant stratus]

stop typing in the outlaw channel and answer my party chat

[vivid vessel]

way more rng

but i guess noobs are happy

[frail veldt]

Yeah it's very problematic

[vivid vessel]

cause its easy

:D

[frail veldt]

Not a fan

[mystic peak]

i mean like i dont sit there and fish for something to kir anymore

and never get it

[keen belfry]

u are still fishing

but fioshing by pressing rtb instead

like i can go 35% jackpot

into 6% jackpot

just based on nothing

look at that pity jackpot at the end of th key

[long bramble]

should i flask haste? i m starting to energy starving in 17s

[vivid vessel]

i have had keys where i go 6 min

6 min

before kiring

6 whole minutes

xd

[mystic peak]

am, i fuckin bad, is kir logic not 2+ unless you know you have a loaded coming up

[long bramble]

i m not kiring 2+

[vivid vessel]

kiring 2 is basically useless in most cases

[long bramble]

i rather going 10 mins no kir

[keen belfry]

ye ive come around on kir 2

[cinder relic]

Hoping the Tier set is something similar to the undermine one next patch

Every time you ambush upgrade your active rtb buff

[glass shard]

real

[glass shard]

after every ambush increase maximum group size by 1

[craggy barn]

its gonna be a killing spree tier set

they made blade rush a tier set, next is a ks one

its over lads

[sleek parcel]

when you channel killing spree completely...

[craggy barn]

they will do a class tier set one season and it will be a vanish tier

[vivid vessel]

idk

we just lack cto

cto + kir just allowed us to smooth out rng a lot

[craggy barn]

"when you vanish, your next finisher does x"

huge tier set

[vivid vessel]

(before we did the cringe reroll for a 5 thing)

[cinder relic]

Like downtime always sucks but I feel if ar cd was a smidge lower itd be nice

[fluid meadow]

will be a deadly pursuit tier set

[cinder relic]

And like, if we weren't doing the kir at 3 thing lol

[fluid meadow]

cuz we don't play their new thing

[random stirrup]

but what does that fix tho

[cinder relic]

The feel bad of never pressing kir lol

[random stirrup]

you kir 2 buffs so you go from having near infinite 2 buff to infinite 2 buff

[cinder relic]

Kir should be +1 and extend!

[random stirrup]

I do agree with this

[vivid vessel]

ye but you are garanted a 2 basically all the time

kiring a 2 feels worse

if kir did a + 1 tho sure

[cinder relic]

+1 extend then

[vivid vessel]

ye rpolly

[hollow portal]

If we cry in the forum and close the Discord server, will the DKs and Paladins listen to us?

[compact wigeon]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[glass shard]

if u kir jackpot goth girls show up at ur house

[light ivy]

noted.

[glass shard]

target dummy area gonna be flooded with outlaw rogues

[jagged plover]

might be the resurgence in population of rogue with a change like that

[light ivy]

also outlaw deals +6% damage when u have tier3 mogged

[cinder relic]

Hd tier 2 >

[teal dust]

is there a non 6 cd build for outlaw?

[long bramble]

bro tbh i ll pay to get df s3 outlaw back

[gray summit]

guys

when u have 5cp

[long bramble]

ss

[gray summit]

and 3opp stack

ok

but if 6opp stack

u opp or ss ?,

[glass mortar]

opp

[last hedge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[modest plover]

Heya lads new to rogue, i see a few people using Crucible of Erratic Energies. is it good for us?, and is it only worth if it's fully upgraded?

[glass mortar]

it competes with herioc ilvl trinkets if fully upgraded

and yes it is good

not bis or anything tho

[long barn]

Only thing that beats crucible if fully upgraded are hero plume and captains

Bloodmallet is updated and accurate

[modest plover]

Ty, defo worth picking up then ❤️

[long bramble]

prism too no?

[long barn]

Pretty much equal. Not sure it’s a beat

[worldly shale]

its equal

sims within 0.1%

[long bramble]

i did 20 runs for that trinket i ll play it

ahahhahaha

[shrewd peak]

Im getting back into OL. Does any1 know of an addon like or similar to Roll the Bones WA ?

[young mango]

hello guys , which rog spec is the strongers in m+ nowadays ?

[outer meteor]

the one ur playing

[livid pewter]

there is non & there is kinda no reason to it, if u roll purple buff u wanna reroll asap, if u roll red/orange/gold u can KIR
unless u roll red and your next roll is gonna be with loaded dice (from ADR) so u hold KIR for potentially orange/gold roll

just track your roll the bones buff, and watch the color

[shrewd peak]

I know when to reroll. It was just nice to have that sound reminder when to roll in the middle of a pack in keys or raid. Yes I can look at it but sometimes it’s hectic in the middle of the pack. I think I’m just having issues remembering because I’ve been playing SUB the whole season. My brain isn’t use to tracking everything for OL just yet.

[valid hound]

!log

[lone surge]

Are there any youtube guides for outlaw m+

[reef forge]

is it looking like haste flask for m+ and crit for raid for most people?

[midnight granite]

what do you guys use to track debuffs in keys/

[somber fractal]

depends on your stats, use sim

[reef forge]

sim says crit for both pathwork and dungeon slice but i remember people saying dungeons prefer up to 28% haste instead of the usual 22-25%

[glass mortar]

prefer is a strong word

zac simmed it and it was neutral for his profile

and since its neutral and energy feels awful on trickster, might prefer going up that high

dslice and patchwork wont do it tho he was doing a max length sim

because tea kinda runs out of charges over time

[buoyant stratus]

GAMBAGAMBAGAMBA

[gaunt phoenix]

WANGWANGAWANGA

[minor igloo]

Crazy that outlaw is simming higher in single and cleave with a hero weapon, when i have mythic daggers zzz

Random question, do outlaws really need 1 sword? or a fistweapon works as good as a sword

like, 1 sword 1 dagger, 1 fist weapon 1 dagger

[midnight granite]

sword/mace whatever 1 hand non dagger

[proper veldt]

AWANGAWANGAWANGAWANGAWANGAWANG

[minor igloo]

So sword/mace are better than fist weapons?

or they are all equal

[cinder relic]

Equal

[minor igloo]

Just trying to see where to put my rerolls

[stable nest]

[fossil lintel]

On pit, does the immortal mobs with 1 HP eat a target for BF? Or does it ignore them?

[magic steppe]

does anyone know if there plan to reduce the visual cluter of the smoke bomb ?

[jagged plover]

already removed for other players

you can decrease its visibility with particle density setting afaik

[gaunt phoenix]

It eats bf

[minor igloo]

is outlaw sim, a simbait?

or is it genuine?

[glass mortar]

genuine

[magic steppe]

they removed it when ?

[glass mortar]

why would it be a bait

[glass mortar]

hotfix friday night

[minor igloo]

My guild leader told me to be careful with outlaw sims, cause u need 101% uptime

[glass mortar]

well yes its an uptime spec but everyone needs max uptime to reach their sim

[jagged plover]

well that isnt bait that's how every sim works

[glass mortar]

its a sim

outlaw is more punished then others for downtime but that doesnt make it simbait

[minor igloo]

Ok cause like

Ive been gearing myself

for SUB

and Sin for M+

and tried simming myself for outlaw

and it seems unreal, im doing more dps with an Hero Weapon..

More damage in M+? and Raiding single target?

with wrong bis?

how is it normal

[sturdy iron]

I main sub and my buddy is telling me to try outlaw lol. Guess I need skyreeech trinket and a crafted one handed sword first. Anyone had a solid rotation? I play sub now

[jagged plover]

i mean it's tuned higher

[sturdy iron]

for m+

[jagged plover]

#outlaw-faq is your bible

[glass mortar]

because outlaw got a huge buff and is the highest tuned rogue spec rn

its damage profile means its still not gunna mega outperform sub or sin in raid probably

but theres certainly bosses its better on now

and it can always do solid boss damage other then on fights like alleria which just hardfuk u

[minor igloo]

Ok but im litteraly simming 8k more damage in singlet arget

single target*

Even a fuck me fight i do more damage, it seems unreal

[river wing]

sims mean nothing for spec comparisons

like they all assume 100% uptime doing stuff

and that's always gonna favour outlaw heavily

bc it's the foremost spec in the game to be fucked by downtime, and has zero interaction with any mechanics like amp or long execute range

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is 1. good at the events of dungeonslice (the actual number is not relevant between specs, its for gear)

2. Tuned higher st. When burst doesnt matter, outlaw is supposed to win st

3. Significantly easier to model in simc compared to sin/sub

[minor igloo]

Hmm I see

so to know who does the most dps, i should look at warcraftlogs

and actually se the classes damage?

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid you can draw conclusions from logs yes

Outlaw wins vorasius (st), cause it does

[sturdy iron]

also is wowhead good enough right now for talent set up for m+ or look at a player from murlok… specifically dude on 4k io haha

Ima check the outlaw faq channel too

[pure folio]

outlaw faq is best place imo tbh

reading pins and outlaw faq

[keen belfry]

I realized u do 0 dmg to them on details then quickly thought it perfectly explains why I sometimes do 0 dmg on pull 3 of pit, its like 11 movs and 6 are 0hp mobs

That pull used to have me confused

[cinder relic]

FAQ and wowhead should have the same info

[worldly shale]

Guys

[sturdy iron]

2 more and you can retire

[worldly shale]

[earnest sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/67-bunny-electricity-blue-eyes-gif-2575377350962267938

[craggy barn]

oh yea?

[deep sequoia]

do u send prep on cd or hold for bosses/big pulls?

[keen cedar]

Am i the only one with the feeling of input lag as outlaw? Dont have problems with other specs...?

[topaz stream]

are we holding bte and finishing with dispatch if blade rush and ar are about up?

[craggy barn]

depends

[gaunt phoenix]

You do hold bte if AR < 30s

Blade rush doesn't matter

[deep sequoia]

all i know is send br/bte on cd unless ar is coming up soon then hold bte

always send br on cd tho

never hold that

[topaz stream]

thanks! i didnt see the qa was hidden in my ui and read it there too sorry bout that!

[worldly shale]

darkflame cleft pog

i changed it to current dungs XD

[vocal birch]

how many haste i need for reach smoth rotation?

[gaunt phoenix]

That's fine

[urban oyster]

outlaw fun

[agile orchid]

I really dislike Preparation as a spell

it's just a dumb bandaid button

[quaint sable]

only time its kinda cool is when u have a dmg amp coming up but for the rest ye...

still wiating for them to turn it into 2 charges bte/ar

[foggy cove]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2--k01KQ5Z6AY2PPBJ51B6Z6E55B37

[earnest sphinx]

Why do i perma have 5cp

[deep sequoia]

take it off the gcd

and ill love it

[earnest sphinx]

I have to be doing something insanely wrong

[keen belfry]

wym

u end at 5cp all the time as trickster

[earnest sphinx]

I am new to law

Ts triggers me so much

not having full cp

[keen belfry]

trickster is bad yes

[earnest sphinx]

soon new league szn awang we outta here

[keen belfry]

never

league stinks

[sturdy iron]

sub I know 18-19% haste is good, for outlaw you want around 24%ish?

[earnest sphinx]

gg

[keen belfry]

ye basically

[ashen birch]

Is there anywhere in the discord or another website that has a bunch of macros for higher level content? Like a set focus, set focus icon mouse over macro, or a macro to kick focus, if no focus then mouse over and if no mouse over then kick target?

Thats really all I need I guess lol

[earnest sphinx]

Is dispatching at 5 illegal

On trickster

[molten flicker]

It’s probably less dps loss than you think

But not optimal

[ornate kernel]

Wich trink i focus on after the gaze? the prism or the umbral plume? i only do hero raid

[craggy barn]

plume, but u can easily farm a myth prism with rerolls so shrug

hero prism is also just much easier to farm as well

or u can just use crucible

[minor thorn]

Why do we wait until 6 CPs to use finisher now?

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound just happened to like 5 dispatch for coins

[harsh forge]

it’s fine without shaman buff

[craggy barn]

just look at wox

no shaman buff

not stinky

[keen cedar]

Yo, is there any addon that activate spell on keydown instead of keyup?

[vivid vessel]

isnt that not default behaviour

[keen cedar]

I guess I am just trying to fix a problem of my input lag xD

Maybe I am mistaken

[dawn tundra]

I'm not sure if this belongs, but is this week just not a week to do Higher rated M+ as Outlaw?

I've been struggling with it lately. Every group I get put in we get obliterated. I've done 10s for both Skyreach and Pit Of Saron with little to no issue, but this week has been brutal.

[deep sequoia]

u mainly need warrior and monk and ur chill

usually go warrior/monk and do fine

[craggy barn]

ye

[midnight granite]

what are you guiys using rerolls on? Rings/Neck from Pit? or skyreach trinket?

[craggy barn]

pit for every item

zac u around

[vivid vessel]

no

[craggy barn]

damn

do yall do capped or uncapped pulls aside from giga aa pull

[vivid vessel]

capped i guess

most pulls are like

8 to 10 i think

[craggy barn]

gotcha

[vivid vessel]

in caverns there is some big pulls at start i think

[craggy barn]

anything after troll area ud need wound for?

i forget

[vivid vessel]

no

[craggy barn]

do/can u even talent better wound?

[hollow bloom]

Finally was able to play a bit with fartbomb this past weekend…its kinda grief. Lol

[craggy barn]

its self grief and even then its not super grief

[vivid vessel]

i drop move speed in stealth for it @craggy barn

[craggy barn]

ah ok

i assume u never take shiv? or are u a good boy

[vivid vessel]

never

[craggy barn]

porsea and turbo got the soothes i guess then?

no need

for rog

[vivid vessel]

what soothes

[earnest sphinx]

Yellowclass doing something useful ? r u crazy blud

[craggy barn]

zerkers

[earnest sphinx]

[vivid vessel]

they enrage?

[craggy barn]

yes

[vivid vessel]

what do they do

[vivid vessel]

eh

[violet osprey]

do u only kir on 3+ now?

or thats fake?

[craggy barn]

3 yea

[violet osprey]

so never a 2 even u lowrolled and u have a 1 for long time

fml

[gaunt phoenix]

you can kir on 2 if you expected an upcoming roll without loaded dice

but it's awkward cuz by the time you roll 3 you won't have kir

[violet osprey]

so basicly never a 2 and pray

😭

[hollow bloom]

Gotta look into the future and you be good

[violet osprey]

nah the worse is the opener like

imagine on 3 loaded dice no 3+

ur so cooked

[hollow bloom]

Anyone else get a bug where on opener in keys, you get three of the same buff show up on your reserouce bar thingy?

[violet osprey]

never had that no

[hollow bloom]

I had three of all my buffs fill my screen, and that just fucked me up mentally.

[midnight granite]

so are debuffs just impossible to track now?

and I just have to use default

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[quick ridge]

Is this also true for fatebound solo? Or just trickster?

[violet osprey]

on fate i think u just send if u dont have an upcoming loaded dice

if same rule applies before patch

but theres no reason to do fate anymore 😭

[full coral]

whats the DL with simming dungeons?

[strong halo]

DO you even need to track coup build up anymore?

[glass mortar]

nope

[stable cave]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[broken totem]

Assas rogue thinking of joining the dark side outlaw. Is the rotation tuff?

[tulip gate]

!rotation

ah thought there was a command

[broken totem]

I mean is there a lot of things to track?

[inner yacht]

there isnt a lot of buttons or complicated rules. hard part is its an apm class and you have to react to procs cant just press shit in order

[tulip gate]

i don't think its a whole lot

[broken totem]

Mhhmm ok ty

[final pagoda]

its much higher apm and v ery reactive

more difficult than assa for sure

[strong halo]

why do we track gravedigger? does it affect decision making?

[final pagoda]

u want to predict when u get full refunded bte

so u dont press shit in between

[strong halo]

can you also just react to the reset sound?

[final pagoda]

sometimes there is a delay

based on distance u and mob

so u have to wait 0.5 s kind of

to get full refund

[strong halo]

thanks thats super helpful

and in m+ do you ever really use ambush?

[final pagoda]

never

[strong halo]

and inST?

[final pagoda]

with the current builds

never

[strong halo]

❤️ ty

[final pagoda]

ofc

[strong halo]

sorry i had iceyveins didnt realize it was auto recommending fatebound

so got confused

[final pagoda]

wowhead better

faq are better

on disc

[ashen birch]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vapid sundial]

guys

what is spotify telling me

[gray summit]

next week we will can

up 295/298 item ?

because except if i missed somethign we cant this week true ?

[cinder relic]

Like end of the month lol

Like may or smthing

Its not for awhile

[rose nimbus]

can someone give me some context as to why outlaw is now being played more than sub and assa in the highest of keys? Is it as simple as bigger numbers due to buffs? Or are there other perks like better damage profile or utility?

[eternal hound]

To play outkaw

[cinder relic]

There's like 1 group that pushes the highest keys every season on outlaw

That's da reason

[wintry leaf]

Outlaw used to be my favorite, but, with the changes, I'm not so sure . Are they slower now?

[cinder relic]

All the rogue specs are kinda like, fineish

its just the outlaw group tries harder lole

[rose nimbus]

i've heard whispers that assassination > sub due to prio dmg

now t hat they are closer in damage

[cinder relic]

Sinis more prio
Sub is more burst
Outlaw is flatline, which comes with pros and cons. Also good ST

[midnight granite]

anyone using rampant abandon over lights potential?

[wintry leaf]

Does Sub have more healing than Outlaw?

[cinder relic]

Probably

[gaunt phoenix]

slightly

[cinder relic]

This talent is op

[gaunt phoenix]

that's the only difference ye

[nova sinew]

Sub has ephemeral bond which increases healing received slightly

[elder sonnet]

@gaunt phoenix any update regarding the supposed fatebound bug?

[frail veldt]

Insane insane talent

[gaunt phoenix]

Not a bug

[keen belfry]

anyone having a good day

[gaunt phoenix]

was mistaken

[glass mortar]

[keen belfry]

surely intended right weran?

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fair sparrow]

sub is just quite tanky tbh

outlaw def feels infinitely squishier

[minor igloo]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm ridge]

is it worth to voidforge a myth track gaze of alnseer?

[cinder relic]

So u cant voidforge anything yet

[warm ridge]

in like future terms

[craggy barn]

yes

[cinder relic]

weapon is highest prio

[native tinsel]

it is kinda sad to spend another 80 crests on another wep though

crafted for sub as first craft

[stuck tiger]

can you not just recraft for the stats?

[midnight granite]

you can't recraft a dagger into a sword

[gentle lotus]

New outlaw here, with 12.0.5, we only have 2 talent builds? 1 for ST and another for AOE...does AOE also mean M+ or theres another build for M+? Also, for raid, do we use aoe or ST for bosses like chim & imperator ? Any advice much appreciated

[peak dock]

Are voidforged tokens limited?

[craggy barn]

2 per week naturally, 1 extra if u spend vault tokens to buy one

[gaunt phoenix]

aoe and M+ is the same. chimaerus should lean towards ST unless your raid struggles to kill adds. AoE will parse higher on imperator but it is just padding. ultimately, you can see what people are running on each boss through wclogs.

[gentle lotus]

is there also any addons that we can use to track faze from clud cover? sorry if it has been asked before tried looking for it under Pins

[gaunt phoenix]

cloud cover (the buff) is through CDM. fazed is a debuff on targets, so you would track it through nameplates like plater

you do not necessarily need to track either of them

[gentle lotus]

oic....ok gotcha

[craggy barn]

tracking cloud cover can be useful if u want to maximize the duration if u have prep

[gentle lotus]

cos i thought we need to dip out of cover after 10 secs and dip in to get another 10secs?

[craggy barn]

solo is that even in the sims?

actually curious if its worth doing

[gaunt phoenix]

you would, but it's actually bugged and it refreshes anyway regardless of where you are

[gaunt phoenix]

either way is the same sim result

[gentle lotus]

Ohhh i didnt know that.....so i dont even need to dip in ond out then! Sounds great 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

ah, you wouldnt need to 'dip in and out' normally you just stand in the cloud until it expires

but, if you have to move, ideally you dip back into it before it expires

but doesnt matter anyway

[keen belfry]

i hope this is intended

[lime lake]

its intended if we stop mentioning it

[cinder relic]

Bonus rolled this ready for oUtlaw

[craggy barn]

nice

[buoyant stratus]

Lura down 8)

Gratz bruv

[shut lichen]

One of the rare "bugs" where it should just continue working this way

[cinder relic]

Good boss

[buoyant stratus]

We hopefully see the light soon

4hrs on monday

(Next week probs...)

[nova sinew]

gz big dog

did you kill on sub

[cinder relic]

Ya

Not spec swapping 200+ pulls into a boss

When outlaw or sub doesn't really do anything

Like both rogue specs dont do a job u just do damage

Best to just play comfort than swap 200 pulls in on a mechanics boss

IF ur comfy on outlaw outlaw is better tho

[buoyant stratus]

Ye pmuch

Why swap when u do same p4 damage (all that matters)

[cinder relic]

Eh skipping p3 memory game kinda matters

not really but kinda

[gleaming reef]

Sweet haste!

[cinder relic]

Was the worst thing to bonus roll!!!

[wintry solar]

Oof

Why'd you roll that?

[lime lake]

why didnt you just hit

[cinder relic]

Because I'm the unluckiest player alive when it comes to wow gearing

and its not close

[random stirrup]

i saw your vaults this tier bud

you lost this title

it goes to the guy in this discord who rolled the same shoulders from a dungeon using his bonus roll 4 times in a row

[cinder relic]

Im fucking 281 ilvl

I dont even get the achivement next week

Or the following week

like its not even fun being this undergeared

[wild bobcat]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[gaunt phoenix]

bit old cmd, that one

[random stirrup]

[wintry solar]

You're 281

[random stirrup]

that is p low for being CE already

hes a bit homeless

[wintry solar]

Wow

Idk man

Maybe he should git guder? Idk

[novel socket]

You killed it? Gz. Still plan on doing the video?

[cinder relic]

281 is insanely undergeared

I've literally gotten 0 pieces of mythic loto

I have 3 crafted items

I have upgraded every item from 2/6 or 1/6

I'm probably the least geared person to ever kill lura ATM

[fossil lintel]

What

Pretty sure no one on liquid was 281 when they killed it

Yeah their average ilvl was 279.5 according to raider.io

[buoyant stratus]

Yeah guy get mogged by team liquid

[cinder relic]

Goes against my narrative

[fossil lintel]

I can see the claim he's undergeared compared to people currently progging Lura, but saying he's the least geared person to ever kill it is a bit much

[rocky canopy]

bro buy some boes my man

[wintry solar]

ForeverGuy caught lying...

[rocky canopy]

u gotta gaslight ur guild into buying u boes

[wintry solar]

Based for lying tho

[cinder relic]

I have crafted pants

and 2/6 boots

tf is a boe going to do for me

I DONT HAVE CRESTS

[fossil lintel]

Imexiled was 277.9 on the kill, he's probably the lowest

[random stirrup]

noobs punished for crafting

gg

[rocky canopy]

crafted pants is crazy wtf

[random stirrup]

shouldve sandbagged

[cinder relic]

Crafted pants was the best upgrade by far the week I crafted

[fossil lintel]

Can't wait to see you featured in shindig's hour long video 3 years from now

[random stirrup]

did you not take from vault a single time

above 276

[cinder relic]

Dummy

I took

Alnseer

Flag

Both were 2/6

and then ive taken 2 sockets

[random stirrup]

oh right you got sat after

because rogue sucks

[keen belfry]

holy marvin cooked guy

damn marv...

[fossil lintel]

Btw guy

Your tank was 279

On the kill

[cinder relic]

That DK hasn't been played in like 2 weeks

and hes on my fucking tail

[cinder relic]

Yep

[fossil lintel]

But grats on the kill!

I spent my day figuring out which of my memory sticks was dying

Well, not the day, the past 3 hours

Why is ram so fucking expensive still?

[random stirrup]

im not tryna backseat and i dont play at your guilds level but with the power of hindsight I can say that crafting legs and upgrading bracers with myth is tough

[wintry solar]

These things take time

At least they're getting lower at all

[hoary kite]

Noob q: Why do we use dagger in OH? If I have a higher ilvl mace, is it still worth to use dagger?

[gilded tinsel]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[cinder relic]

if I didn't craft bracers I had literally nothing to spend crests on

and I don't really have a good bonus roll target

So I'd rather not bonus roll dugneons

Doing the bracers this week was just correct

cuz my vault this week was terrible

so the most damage for lura was bracers + socket it

[random stirrup]

doesn't pit have like 4 or 5 items to send instead? not that that would have been much better

[weak elk]

any1 willing to check over a log and tell me why i suck?

[cinder relic]

Then I have a socket I cant spend

[random stirrup]

ye maybe ur just cooked mate

[cinder relic]

I'm aware

[random stirrup]

have you tried playing in a guild that doesnt care as much that rogue is bad and gives you loot anyway

[native tinsel]

just saw it

gz guy

was it fun?

[cinder relic]

Amazing boss (not sarcasm)

Bonus rolled garbage 👍

No mount

281 ilvl

Hate my life

[unkempt swift]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tough ridge]

Think sub still the play or outlaw kinda looking nutty

[trim osprey]

I am new to outlaw and rogue in general and I know outlaw is suppose to be more stable dmg

But when u only roll 1-2 the spec seems so ass

Maybe I’m just bald and dumb but holy shit

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[cinder relic]

I think if u can play outlaw u just should

I didnt bother cuz I was 200 pulls into the boss

My gear is already fucking garbage on sub I'd be 280 ilvl on outlaw

[zenith root]

Is it a dps loss If im not hitting Between the eyes proc the same gcd I see the reset active?

Im wondering how strict it is

[frail veldt]

Anyone got a good plater profile? @keen belfry ?

we have similar ui taste

[abstract gazelle]

hey when bte resets i build back to 6+ points before i slam it again?

[oblique trench]

Yes

[plain heath]

Guys isnt it just easier to make a mcro like

/cast bte
/cast coup
/cast dispatch

?

Is there any reason we wouldnt do this?

[cinder relic]

U cant do that , thats why

[plain heath]

hm?

[cinder relic]

u cant do "cast bte cast dispatch"

[plain heath]

doesn't it cast bte if available if not casts dispatch?

[frail veldt]

nope

[plain heath]

damn

[proven ocean]

[river wing]

yeah that's not how macros work, it'll just return an error if BtE is not up (and if it is, it'll just do bte)

[glass heron]

Is it still possible to make audios depending on the RTB proc?

[frail veldt]

Like a different audio for different stages? Don't think so

Can't access stage info via the API while in a dungeon

[long barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

At least not in a straight forward way

[glass heron]

yep

It works for the first RTB but it isnt updating it's state till i get out of combat

[frail veldt]

Yep

[young prism]

is there any in- game setting to recude or remove the smoke effect?

[frail veldt]

Particle density can help reduce it

[young prism]

thank you

[glass heron]

Kinda sad, helped me to track the roll

[true fractal]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[glass shard]

im having crafting paralysis again

despairge

[tender wedge]

Ring

Objectively correct 100% of the time, trust

[twilit fulcrum]

Man i love the vibe of this spec but i suck so much at it its frustrating 😅

[river wing]

give it some time

[earnest sphinx]

Idk who said this but

More pressing less thinking

And it actually works

[sly hearth]

trying to check outlaw, so it looks like the main complexity of spec is to learn rotation and not fuckup it because it can cause downtime?

[hardy thicket]

Well yeah in a nutshell.

You can layer that with trying to keep up with all the min/max rules for extra gains once you are comfy

[hybrid flax]

dumb as hell question. But say you are goin into a pack, you wanna get blade flurry up but you keep proccing BTE , no BF is up, do you just send dispatch inbetween and use BF to not over cap the combo points or

same if BF is about to fall off and your perma proccing bte

[weary fog]

get BF up in aoe

[hardy thicket]

Just press BF

[weary fog]

wasting CP isnt as important as having BF active

[hybrid flax]

I figured, but felt abit lame overcapping CPs

[hardy thicket]

The wasted CP is prolly negliable in comparison to the loss of damage each GCD without BF

[hybrid flax]

fair

[weary fog]

current trickster wastes a gajillion CP anyways unfortunately

[hybrid flax]

same goes for when you are going into a pack with CPs and u wanna BF and AR

ive always felt the urge to spendthe CPs first but

felt wrong

like u said, no BF up bigger loss

[hardy thicket]

I would BF spend AR

In that situation

[hybrid flax]

Alright, one more thing.
If you BTE and u get a refund, and you are on 6 stacks of pistol shot.
But the BTE puts u at 5 CPs, are u pistol shotting for the 6-7 CP range or sendin a SS

[weary fog]

during long downtime between packs, u can SND those CPs for a little bit of CDR if u really want to

yeah PS

[hybrid flax]

ye been doin that

[hardy thicket]

I would PS

Since ur at 6

[hybrid flax]

ye fair, thought the same

[weary fog]

u dont wanna overcap on opp procs

[hybrid flax]

it was just the same mindset of the CPs overcapping

but now that u guys mentioned its w/E

[weary fog]

and PS is a pretty chonky builder in cloud

[hardy thicket]

I gotta fix my CP bar. Been telling myself that I can live with the slight delay but no.

[hybrid flax]

appreciate the fast response amigos, cleared things up.
i just rememberd one last question lol, Saw somewhere that it was worth holding BTE if AR was coming up within 30 sec or W/E .
But does that also go the other way around, like is it worth holding AR if your BTE is coming up .
Im assuming so, but maybe im wrong

[weary fog]

nah u dont do it the other way around except maybe in the opener with prep

[still matrix]

How many melee did you run on paladins mythic?

[weary fog]

as in ur second AR, u can hold a bit to align with BTE to extend cloud cover

[hybrid flax]

alright

[hardy thicket]

Yeah theres a case for it if you used prep

[weary fog]

5

[hardy thicket]

#1276307559061524652 message

You mean that. See the last paragraph

[still matrix]

including tanks?

[weary fog]

nah

our first kill was ret, arms, dk, double rogue lol

terrible rogue fight and we killed with 2 of em

[hardy thicket]

We were 5 as well. I was not one of them

DK, DK, Enhance, Arms, WW. No rogue on kill

[weary fog]

[hardy thicket]

Oh I was there im just a purple rogue these days for main raid. Now a purple rdps:ish rogue who doesnt know how to play RDPS even

[glass shard]

i have the npx set

with the wrong ring at myth

feels bad to craft over and net no mainstat

[real valley]

if i have bte and ar off cd but i'm at 6/7 cp.
do i dispatch -> ar -> bte ?

[hardy thicket]

Yeah just dispatch there and AR into BtE if im reading FAQ correctly

[glass shard]

just click what gives u the best vibes

:wicked:

[hardy thicket]

Would qualify as hold BtE til AR is cast if AR is coming up in <30s

[vapid salmon]

I've been away for 10 days or so and... are we trickster now? D:

[jagged plover]

yup big time

[vapid salmon]

damn

[tulip gate]

just think of the phat dps bump

[vapid salmon]

I just simmed with the new trickster build and I'm gaining like 15%, waaat

crazy

[novel isle]

yea but it feels shit to play

[vapid salmon]

I was just noticing this while practicing at dummies

[novel isle]

you know the new spend rules?

[vapid salmon]

I read mainly we don't dispach anymore at 5+CP but is actually better to overcap

and KS on cd, sounds like it?

👀 🤌

[tame void]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[vapid salmon]

I'm doing something wrong though, I do a lot more damage to dummies as fatebound atm 🥲

[novel isle]

yup, you need to learn the cringe

or, just stick with what you know and dont hate yourself

[novel isle]

spend at 6+ with all but KS

try to hold KIR for 3+

have to run prep (or you will have energy issues)

the big DPS increase is from the fart cloud

so using AR as much as you can and bursting in that window is the important part

[plush mesa]

so i played assa until resil +15 keys now. i think about switching to outlaw but doesn't the target cap still hurt us alot?

[glass shard]

i shit on a feral druid in a 17 mt

and bro was omega padding on the 10 trillion mob packs

[tropic zephyr]

They perform roughly the same, if you were thinking of switching because of that

[vapid salmon]

Thanks a lot for the hints!

[gleaming reef]

Slightly out of topic but anyone do professions/gathering here? Did they nerf deftness since 12.0.5?

[novel isle]

im still learning how 🤣 had my first hand at it last night

[plush mesa]

kk. just have to get my hands on a myth sword or mace or whatever then

[vivid vessel]

Idk how much that matters, I think once you get to high keys both specs do similar

In low keys outlaw would mog assa tho

[knotty dawn]

After the prekey stuff do you just do the same opener on first pack minus snd?

[gaunt phoenix]

Since you already have loaded dice you would roll before the first AR

[vivid vessel]

Solo, what is this about coin triggering seal fate

That's new or

I swear this has never been the case

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk if it's new but it's real

[vivid vessel]

Or we didn't notice it cause it trigger with ruthlessness

[knotty dawn]

So then you ar > blade furry > blade rush > bte?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes, but dont forget to KIR if you hit stage 3 rtb

[valid hound]

solo, can i post my log for a review? id like to see where im making mistakes with mythic averzian

[knotty dawn]

Ty

[gaunt phoenix]

Mythic first boss is just pad

you can but I can't guarantee i can help you

[plush mesa]

still hate that assa/sub need other weapons then outlaw ):

[valid hound]

i mean maybe u see like some immediate mistakes

if not, all cool

!log

[tulip gate]

Rotations say to use pistol shot at 3 stacks of opportunity at 1-3 combo but then it says to use 6 stacks but doesn't say how many points to use it at. Do you use the 6 stack pistol at any combo or only at 1-3?

[jagged plover]

you use at any

well i guess 5 and below since you should be finishing at 6+ but ye

[inland acorn]

having 6opp stacks basically overrides your builder priority to sending it

so whenever you're at 6opp stacks and you need to build cps

you press PS

even if it seems like you'll waste cps

[tranquil ledge]

guys, can i dispel this dot with cosh? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1244907/runic-glaive#changelog

[glass shard]

wtf is cosh

[inland acorn]

cloak of shadows

[wintry solar]

Cloak

[glass shard]

never seen it written like that

[wintry solar]

Same

[tranquil ledge]

ok guys just for u)) can i dispel this sht with cloak?)))

[glass shard]

XD

idk actually