@keen belfry pikaboo called u an idiot bro...
#outlaw
quaint mauve
serene urchin
16 pit daddy outlaw working overtime
simple orchid
Is it more important to not overcap CP or to use ADR? Imagine, in aoe fight, i use bf to refresh buff, gain full CP and my ADR is ready to use. Should i use dispatch before ADR or just ADR into another finisher? My guess is "it depends" if bte is up right? I may use ADR into bte if up, or just dispatch before ADR if bte is not up ?
paper grove
are daggers on the outlaw loot table? Like if I want to reroll for Kriks weap
craggy barn
nope
serene urchin
no u gotta swap
simple orchid
are daggers on the outlaw loot table? Like if I want to reroll for Kriks weap
Na gotta go sin or sub
serene urchin
theres no mh in m+ anyways
glass mortar
Is it more important to not overcap CP or to use ADR? Imagine, in aoe fight, i ...
finish then adr
gaunt phoenix
you would dispatch yes
paper grove
got it, ill just set my loot spec to sin
serene urchin
got it, ill just set my loot spec to sin
only expection is mythic crown ig lol
paper grove
yeah well that aint happening on my rogue for a while lol
novel tartan
Ty ty
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> pikaboo called u an idiot bro...
yeah...
paper grove
whats a decent mh to pursue in MH in the mean time, the MT one?
heady echo
guys, is outlaw a nice spec to start on rogue?
i want an easy time on m+
i'm a main tank
slim hare
no
green star
Idk if outlaws the best spec to go with then lol, Its very fun but its very high apm
slim hare
its the harder spec
green star
def not afk type dps
slim hare
not the the easy one to pick up
if you prefer tracking go assa
easiest probably sub
outlaw is the hard mode of rogue
play what you find fun tho
keen belfry
if u want an easy time on m+ outlaw would be a weird suggestion, but u should play what u find most fun
pure folio
outlaw is possibly one of the worst options
torpid fiber
tbf you can learn outlaw if it's fun
dull ivy
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
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lucid moss
I don't even know where to begin
Ultimately I think character boosts are a curse rather than a blessing since it should be easier to learn as you go. Instead I see a hundred skills, and am like WHAT DO
slim hare
faq is the holy bible
just read it again and again until you do exactly what it tells you to do
lucid moss
I think my first step is figuring out what addons to get
slim hare
but outlaw is not easy to pick ip
stuck sparrow
well leveling doesnt teach you shit
slim hare
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ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
lucid moss
and to figure out how to apply addons in the first place...!
stuck sparrow
considering you can level playing extremely wrong
slim hare
this will help you
slim hare
well sound helps keep track of procs
lucid moss
I know this is a real basic ask but... what addon is best for maps?
slim hare
i use basic maps idk x)
lucid moss
I haven't played since Pandaria's expansion c_c
gaunt phoenix
dont need a map addon
gaunt phoenix
tomtom can show coordinates
lucid moss
Cool I will get that as well.
tough trellis
does this breakdown look okay? feels kinda crazy that dispatch is now below my melee
this was end of dungeon overall
also good god killing spree is abysmal lmfao
dim parrot
KS procs unseen blade and increased damage to fazed targets
tough trellis
yeah, just kinda sad that it does no damage, the animation seems to be like big damage (survival boomstick for example) but man its all in fazed debuff
also blade rush doing so much, sheesh
merry harness
Looks more or less correct
fluid meadow
little10 maisara key but insane how much dmg is that if have a tank who can play next to outlaw (and im still shit and impatient with rolls and kir sometimes)
tough trellis
auto attack just makes me crack up on outlaw, like why is my right click 7% of all my damage xd
tough trellis
oh yeah 💀
craggy barn
of all the melee dps to have high auto attack, i would expect rogue to be the highest auto attacker
just because snd
tough trellis
AR too
craggy barn
ye
historically sword spec rog has been high af autos
and was only changed in legion
tough trellis
its actually pretty funny, if you ever get bored just go to a training dummy and press AR into snd and watch how fast your little guy melees
cinder relic
auto attack just makes me crack up on outlaw, like why is my right click 7% of a...
I think I've told u this exact thing like 8 times is that good play directly related to more AA damage
Good play means higher AR uptime, BTE buffs
and slice and dice is just a thing that exists
tough trellis
yah i mean i know its up there it doesnt make it any less funny though
slim hare
I think I've told u this exact thing like 8 times is that good play directly rel...
is good play makes aa do more % of all you damage ? or just more dam generally?
tough trellis
lowkey i think the best way to determine if you are doing well or not is actually not to look at your damage distribution but rather your AR uptime
like foreverguy said if you play well you get more AR, and your damage distribution doesnt change in/out of AR
like if i had less AR, my autoattack wouldnt necessarily go up/down a meaningful amount
steel oxide
ik im fried but i miss the REROLL NOW/bladefury wa
warped spruce
is dungeon slice ok to use for outlaw? or is it outdated?
slim hare
is dungeon slice ok to use for outlaw? or is it outdated?
its good
green star
So whats a good % for AR uptime in a key on average?
wintry solar
is genshin impact as popular as the internet makes it seem?
limpid isle
is genshin impact as popular as the internet makes it seem?
genshin impact was mobile gamings covid era boom. its pretty huge.
magic shuttle
another tier 2 recolor, mandatory to obtain
wintry solar
stuck sparrow
this one is better since its not class locked
stuck sparrow
monk set has better
lucid moss
I know it is all preference but is there any action bar setup examples? Like what abilities to put on them and where.
tulip gate
bro really wanted some HD tiersets
slim hare
no idea what people do tho
lucid moss
I need all of them!? lol
wintry solar
I want the blooooo
tulip gate
with cloud cover do you and/or enemies need to stand in it?
wintry solar
ideally yes but if they leave you can run in and out of it
refreshes the doomahickey
tulip gate
thingamajigs, whatsits, thingies, gizmos, gadgets?
simple orchid
Simming on dummy 5 targets show me 230k for 4 minutes fight, when I train I usually do 175-180k, that's a skill issue more than a bug in sim right? 
craggy barn
variance
sims are an average of 10k iterations, ur actual dummy damage may not match up because of just raw dps variance of the spec
brisk spear
Simming on dummy 5 targets show me 230k for 4 minutes fight, when I train I usua...
Are you simming with all raid buffs?
craggy barn
dummy sims disable raid buffs
simple orchid
Are you simming with all raid buffs?
Nope, dummy default setup 5 targets
brisk spear
Ah dummy, i see
craggy barn
also u arent a robot so u will never perfect play
simple orchid
sims are an average of 10k iterations, ur actual dummy damage may not match up b...
I wish it was only variance 😂 but 50k gap seems too big
craggy barn
eh
u arent a robot
theres a lot of variance in outlaw
u wont play perfect
theres 0 reason to compare urself to sim dps anyways
vivid vessel
Cause I just acted as if it didn't lol what
I swear they changed that
Oh it's new
Well I did notice it yesterday when awang sent a random clip tbf
I just thought it bugged out
And I didn't test lol
slim hare
so your telling me
smoke shit
is just
smoke shit that doesnt matter except making us lose sight ?
great change
vivid vessel
It is a great change tbf
slim hare
yeah
vivid vessel
Should have been that way since launch
slim hare
visual suck
serene urchin
yeah its great can drop the fucking fart cloud away from swirlies now
ok quick solo delete all msg
astral wind
Wait What'd they change that means we don't have to bongcloud on the mobs?
serene urchin
surely its not just for law right
craggy barn
shhhh
slim hare
wdym shhhhh
craggy barn
SHHHHH
weary goblet
It's nice that it doesn't take long, but it does drain the saved Marls i had.
Every currency being soulbound is dumb af tho, the one that stays in your bags is only used for the the other one so yeah...
slim hare
it was so bad
craggy barn
bruh they will just take away our free refresh shhh
slim hare
everyone complaining about cloud visual
cinder relic
It's nice that it doesn't take long, but it does drain the saved Marls i had.
Ev...
I had like 40k marls
hasty warren
hi pirates
slim hare
wdym dont talk
weary goblet
I had like 40k marls
had...
cinder relic
You can see every enemy mechanic in the game with lower particle density
Dense particles are not enemy mechanics
weary goblet
that was projected textures from what i remember (u have to have that one enabled)
slim hare
i dont have 3 on the top of my head
fathom bramble
if you are concerned about disabling it just set it to low
I have played on low for like 5 years with zero issues
slim hare
but fire last boss skyreach is one
fathom bramble
and it fixes the cloud visibility
serene urchin
if you are concerned about disabling it just set it to low
almost all those beginner guides bait ppl into setting it to ultra
fluid meadow
more frustrating to me to not see things on stairs sometimes and things in skyreach when going up to last boss
cinder relic
stairs + ground targeting not a good combo
vivid vessel
Name 3 mechanics that are particles
Fire on last boss sky reach is barely visible
Can't see shaman link on low basically
And idk the rest I havent really investigated
I think last boss caverns has weird stuffs
I noticed last time
But I didn't check what it was
I just thought it was harder to see stuffs last time I did it on low
Vs when I did it a week ago
ripe pumice
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
vivid vessel
I think it can improve visual tho sometimes so idk
Like wasn't it on smoderon
You would play on low or disabled
Cause it was better visibility
I just don't really like how it's a gamble and make some mechanics less clear
But whatever
fathom bramble
yeah would be nice if every mechanic had a properly implemented projected texture instead
vivid vessel
Like I can live with it
But I have also played on particle density ultra forever
Because I thought most of the times it was better
And I liked seeing my shaman link
silver venture
lets say i cast a ks at 7 , do i wanna absolutely finish the cast of it, or the second i get all 7 cp back, i blast bte/dispatch
novel isle
cancel when energy is full
Would be nice if the smoke effects showed only on the edge of the circle
long barn
Would be nice if the smoke effects showed only on the edge of the circle
Like kindred in League
Zac do you hold anything for the burn on Seat last boss
Like prep maybe
and pot?
novel isle
I used to send at the start and it was up for the burn
long barn
Not prep tho
novel isle
most groups fuck up the lazers its easy to have it 3 phase instead of 2
long barn
Oh I’m talking like high keys. 19-20
vivid vessel
Zac do you hold anything for the burn on Seat last boss
You can kinda hold prep whole fight
long barn
Like you get stuck in a shit roll, and really can’t hold adr so I was thinking would you hold prep
novel isle
then you can get into that phase pretty fast id say its worth holding prep but nothing else
somber fractal
cant step back to platform anymore in sky?
long barn
Missed a seat by 2 seconds and looking at the burns dmg is just trash
Zac the start of that fight hurts
Like until you get to the first lines, shit hurts
novel isle
He debuffs everyone tontake more damage yea
vivid vessel
Yes
long barn
Also does anyone know if 25% haste vs let’s say 24.5% does anything special for us
long barn
Like breakpoints or anything
vivid vessel
I mean we probably have a breakpoint somewhere
But it doesn't matter
Haste is valuable rn anywya cause we have dogshit energy
long barn
Zac I’m like not sure what to do about spamming feint when energy is shit
long barn
Like legit shit
vivid vessel
Me neither
long barn
It’s so dumb because you get to a point where you waste energy by capping you literally can’t spend it all especially if you get some procs
But then
Bam. Shit roll, double feints, no teas, gg
Then adr doesn’t refresh soon enough and no loaded dice and you get a single roll
lol
novel isle
Wow players looking for that 0.01% DPS buff
novel isle
Then adr doesn’t refresh soon enough and no loaded dice and you get a single rol...
just be lucky bro
slim hare
And I liked seeing my shaman link
on fair you can see it real well no need to go higher than that imo
slim hare
Me neither
also using haste flask or crit ? i have like 23% haste and flask gets me to 26 so a bit high but at the same time i feel like i have less lows not sure if its placebo or kind of good
zinc dust
Is delve farming for hero crests better than ritual site? I'm out of keys though, so I'm just wondering if I can still loot hero crests without keys.
zinc dust
Rituals are op
Thanks boss
slim hare
i have done 1 ritual is it that good for alts ?
cinder relic
It gives hero crests, and if you do level 5 you get like, 70-80 of the currency
zinc dust
I'm farming 2 challenge for rituals, and I get 10 per run
cinder relic
And every 500 you get a hero track item
zinc dust
Takes like 7 minutes?
zinc dust
Do it on 5 you'll get like 70
Sorry, I meant 10 hero crests, and 50 accolades
cinder relic
Yeyey
zinc dust
Which I think it's more doable on alts
slim hare
depends if you have a tank spec or not
zinc dust
T5 on alts unless you geared up as heck, it'll whoop you a bit
slim hare
with tanks spec you can do lvl 5 prob
zinc dust
Rogue does it good
Agreed. I just run to the captains lol
balmy topaz
deep sequoia
whats the opener for outlaw now?
slim hare
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
worldly shale
And every 500 you get a hero track item
whats the pool for it?
outer willow
which build are you guys running for dragons mythic ?
zinc briar
healer (lead) invited both by mistake
insta kicked the another rogue
but tank was fast
leaving
hahahahaha
slim hare
x)
twilit marlin
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
timid vector
If your BTE gets reseted with 5 combo points, do you use combo builder before another BTE?
livid pewter
If your BTE gets reseted with 5 combo points, do you use combo builder before an...
ye, u want 6/7 (dont meme it please ty) combopoints, just use 1x SS or if u alrdy at 6 opp. stacks u go for that
thorn plinth
ye, u want 6/7 (dont meme it please ty) combopoints, just use 1x SS or if u alr...
they did meme it
sad
timid vector
Thanks 😂
timid vector
i feel like u baited me into this on purpose lmao
I honestly didn't 😄
keen cedar
Trickster: Cloud Cover's visual effect is now only visible to the caster in all circumstances.
sleek egret
great, now only the rogue cant see mechanics 😄
keen cedar
great, now only the rogue cant see mechanics 😄
Thought I had exactly 🤣🤣
reef forge
i feel like since they fixed the energy thing with fartcloud my damage skyrocketed
feelsgood to be an outlaw right now
prime dirge
how do u keep nimbleon targets?
flat needle
What do you guys think about the new (mindnight) outlaw?
I've been an outlaw enjoyer for years, and the spec is still fun, but somehow it feels bad if you got an ace proc and have to SS before finisher. I miss the days where you could chain 6-8 BtE if you're lucky
cursive stag
do you hold bte for inside AR or just use it on cd? the wowhead rotation seems to indicate on cd (just use at 6cp), but i heard you might save it, idk if that is true tho
twilit fulcrum
do the blue combo points work differently than in tww? do i not have to hit them exactly?
craggy barn
do you hold bte for inside AR or just use it on cd? the wowhead rotation seems t...
on cd but if ar is up in 30sec u hold
craggy barn
do the blue combo points work differently than in tww? do i not have to hit them...
same as tww
they are auto spent on ur next finishers
cursive stag
thank you
craggy barn
the cp indication is just to show u have it, not that u need to spend at that exact amount
twilit fulcrum
so when i have a blue dot i send at 6cp or does it go above 7 with them?
craggy barn
u send normally, it consumes a blue pip and acts as if it spent more
worn patrol
Has the cloud bug with AR already been fixxed?
craggy barn
yes
worn patrol
Aight thanks 😄
craggy barn
the energy one? yes
craggy barn
so when i have a blue dot i send at 6cp or does it go above 7 with them?
if u finish at 6 and u have supercharged combo points, the finisher will act like u spent 6+3
prime dirge
what are the abilities that apply fazed on target just KS and adreline right?
novel isle
feelsgood to be an outlaw right now
Good thing I missed out on this hell week 🤣
craggy barn
what are the abilities that apply fazed on target just KS and adreline right?
sinister strike
read the first node in trickster tree
novel isle
BF does too right?
craggy barn
read the talent tree
craggy barn
bf doesnt inherently
only via cloud cover
autos is via a choice node talent, and u never take the other choice
and pistol shot fazed was added in midnight as a talent
crimson scarab
If I have a supercharged CP and BTE is on CD, do I send dispatch or KS?
craggy barn
ks
crimson scarab
And do I always prep before using KS?
craggy barn
ks is not a consideration for using prep
crimson scarab
Yeah okay that’s what I thought too just wanted to make sure
craggy barn
ye, just ar and bte
crimson scarab
Thanks
wide ether
outlaw is ass atm
craggy barn
yea it is 
wide ether
at this point delete it
craggy barn
just quit the game
wide ether
ya no
craggy barn
u know what. make outlaw more cringe. 17 smoke bombs ontop of smoke bombs, infinite downtime, and a hatchet
wide ether
and u cant see the ground
craggy barn
just look down
wide ether
shit skill
craggy barn
its right there
wide ether
name one thing that makes outlaw fun
craggy barn
all of it?
wide ether
?
craggy barn
?
magic shuttle
The fast pace
craggy barn
im enjoying outlaw still
wide ether
sub wins
wide ether
i know this
craggy barn
ok
craggy barn
👍
jagged plover
some people like only pressing 2 buttons
craggy barn
shrug, sub is also fun sometimes
north hound
Sub is nice for shutting off your brain and just blasting some taylor swift albums
worldly shale
i used sub to cheese solo fyrakk and when i was made to play it in raid
after buff i didnt switch off outlaw xd
vast mauve
is there a easy way to track what stage roll i have with regular CDM?
stiff idol
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
stiff idol
!guides
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue
lavish anvil
i know my gear is not optimal and my MH is shit + no enchant but this sim is kinda trash? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9V5VvUfwDfJr3iPPbfJmwL what do i need to fix to get it right?
full raidbuffs is way higher https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bDASNHqhRt9GA3g1NCBbZg
novel isle
i know my gear is not optimal and my MH is shit + no enchant but this sim is kin...
how many targets?
lavish anvil
1
novel isle
Our ST is kinda dog 🤣
just follow stat prio and BIS items and sim new gear
just takes time mate
lavish anvil
also dung slice is super low
novel isle
and craft a MH 😄
lavish anvil
i will next week, raiding as sub
but wanna go outlaw for keys
but i go from 150-160 avg as sub
to 100-110
novel isle
wtf you crafted so many pieces 😮
lavish anvil
look at that dung slice? is that not very off?
thats what you do with a trash lookcouncil:P
loot*
novel isle
Your looking for 23% haste and as much crit as you can after that
vivid vessel
Our ST is kinda dog 🤣
we are one of the best st spec in the game
novel isle
we are one of the best st spec in the game
I refuse to believe that
vivid vessel
its true tho :D
novel isle
because if thats true why am I bottom in ST and top in AOE lol
vivid vessel
skill issue unfortunatly
novel isle
imma neck
vivid vessel
its good to figure out gear /talents
lavish anvil
and i sim 105, and i do abaout the same
vivid vessel
it wont tell you how much damage you are supposed to be doing
inner yacht
you should use dung slice to compare your own dmg with yourself with diff items not with other specs
lavish anvil
any big outlaw in here? link me a dung slice
distant zinc
if i have loaded dice and stage 2 do i roll or do i let stage 2 run out first?
assuming prep on cd and adrenaline rush like ~2min left
vivid vessel
any big outlaw in here? link me a dung slice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9nQMVPMB4Cv7kZ1ZpDP1oQ i simmed with the buffs i have in keys so war brew sham and druid
vivid vessel
if i have loaded dice and stage 2 do i roll or do i let stage 2 run out first?
let it run out unless kir is ready
lavish anvil
oh, i watch your stream alot
you are the one that made me loo kat outlaw instead of 2 button sub:P
distant zinc
let it run out unless kir is ready
if i get 2 again send kir so no lowball after?
vivid vessel
inland meteor
zac the inspiration
distant zinc
or keep exclusively for 3+
jagged plover
don't glaze him too much
vivid vessel
if i get 2 again send kir so no lowball after?
most of the times you can hold kir if you know you will be able to farm adr back in time
distant zinc
most of the times you can hold kir if you know you will be able to farm adr back...
aight tyvm
long barn
Zac….. is KS supposed to reset the cloud faze from 3 to 1? Or bug.
vivid vessel
yes thats normal it applies fazed
gaunt palm
Does Disorienting Strikes stack? Like if you pre-key do AR->KS->Prep->AR-KS?
autumn blaze
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
gaunt palm
Ye but does it stack twice is what im thinking
either way you lose a Supercharger by doing that ^
worldly shale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9nQMVPMB4Cv7kZ1ZpDP1oQ i simmed with the ...
ure 5k ahead ill take that poggers
woeful otter
do we need spend bonus roll to eye of Midnight and Occlusion of Void
inner yacht
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hy7QVwJXmx5i3gfrk76qmU
you have st talents in this btw
novel isle
so whats the issue?
lavish anvil
i dung sim 110
novel isle
Think you got your answer but dont like it?
lavish anvil
well, answer must be that only way we can get big numbers is in a perfect group
vapid sundial
ripe pumice
is there a macro thet change dispatch to BtE when BtE come of cd ?
worldly shale
u also dont have any buffs on ur sim
and u dont have
m+ talents
u have single target
on ur sim
lavish anvil
nah i also sim 170
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5VnJsTH6Qmq2REDEJkpKdb with only own buffs food flask
quartz magnet
@vivid vessel how do you skin your icons? Ive been looking for a dark version of the updated hd icons
lavish anvil
sullen walrus
<@352916297262301194> how do you skin your icons? Ive been looking for a dark ve...
arcui
sullen walrus
<@352916297262301194> how do you skin your icons? Ive been looking for a dark ve...
i asked zac about it
worldly shale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8cTgsmdCFkdquc3dVNvt14 with zacs comp
well see
ure getting close
sullen walrus
i asked zac about it
but nobody didnt tell me anything, because of my eng is bad 🙁
worldly shale
how much haste u got
lavish anvil
21 with oil
worldly shale
use haste flask
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> how do you skin your icons? Ive been looking for a dark ve...
i have a script i run on the hd icons
to darken them up
quartz magnet
i have a script i run on the hd icons
How? like trough arcui or?
worldly shale
maybe smart il lcheck
use ur offhand crafted what the helly
u have emebelish
on it
lavish anvil
it supposed to be there:P
lavish anvil
i was wrong, this is hasteflask + crafted OH https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w6HXsKTecMh8cQgzzEbpJS
worldly shale
worldly shale
im simming ur whole existance wait
lavish anvil
thanks bro
played outlaw in BFA
when it was super OP
would be fun to play it again, but maybe my gear is just to sub atm
sleek egret
outlaw and sub are getting closer in terms of gear, crit and haste. Just how I like it
quartz magnet
i have a script i run on the hd icons
would you mind sharing it?
lavish anvil
sounds good
worldly shale
lavish anvil
with my MH
thanks bro!
is it a big loss to move on point from prep to summarily?
one less button as im getting used to the spec
novel isle
AR with cloud is why we are doing giga damage atm so yes having less of them is v bad
worldly shale
probably more than before cuz of cloud
lavish anvil
aight
novel isle
but just to learn then go for it, what key levels you trying to do?
lavish anvil
im on 16s atm
lavish anvil
im 16 as assa and sub
but i have had pink io as outlaw in the past
so im not newnew
just new to this version
worldly shale
my build is cooked maybe, i got acro and prep
probably without sleight
novel isle
just use the pinned one
this discord knows more than wow head
I mean Zac knows better 🤣
lucid sparrow
if a class discord knew less than wowhead i'd be very worried
lavish anvil
im used to sub, fuu is writing the wowhead too
lavish anvil
m+ convert
lucid sparrow
hasty warren
is lura still bugged ?
hollow temple
if a class discord knew less than wowhead i'd be very worried
but wowhead is written by the class discords >.>
fallow pivot
i got a question. Do i just spend BtE proccs or do you only use BtE with 6+ CP?
fallow pivot
ty
radiant wyvern
wowhead written by sub rogue
hasty warren
wowhead written by sub rogue
for outlaw it's guy
hollow temple
thats fine
radiant wyvern
for outlaw it's guy
yeah sub rogue
hollow temple
just because he plays sub rn doesn't mean anything 
timid portal
just because he plays sub rn doesn't mean anything <:kekw3:907372904130441217>
Sub jail
jagged plover
wintry solar
fallow pivot
we only press pistol shot with opportunity procc, right?
sry but i´m new to outlaw and want to understand why i´m performing so poorly
quaint sable
ye
fallow pivot
ty
quaint sable
Would recomend reading this if u havent.
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276307559061524652
Solo is great at explaining the rotation
He lists in order wwhich are most important buttons to press.
fallow pivot
oh ty. gonna go and read that
slim hare
Outlaw faq in this discord is the holy bible
Always up to date or its the fastest up to date anyway
gusty shore
did rota chenged at 12.0.5?
wide flare
Yeah a bit
You ALWAYS spend at 6+
Killing spree is back but its low prio
And we got smoke bomb when we press AR
So you may want to hold it slightly while tank sets up the pull
lusty grove
!guides
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue
molten pond
!macros
true fractal
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
warm ridge
boys is there a way to find out which rotational issues i have?
i know sim dps isnt reliable, but missing 20k does feel like im doing something wrong
timid idol
i took atro on chimaerus bcs it seemed natural
and then i realized numbing reduces cast speed
im never clicking on atro ever again in my life
fallow pivot
if i have 5 CP and an Opp procc. do i press PS or Sinister Strike to get to 6+ CP?
tulip jewel
!prepull
timid idol
if i have 5 CP and an Opp procc. do i press PS or Sinister Strike to get to 6+ C...
ss if not at 6 pistols
fallow pivot
so 3 pistols only on low CP and 6 pistols always over ss?
timid idol
ye
fallow pivot
aight ty
timid idol
thats what i do at least
edgy owl
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?
- You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
- Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
- You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.
novel isle
You ALWAYS spend at 6+
other than KS can be 5
late nacelle
just swapped from sensei's to wangbar. Did not realize how much difference it made
novel isle
just swapped from sensei's to wangbar. Did not realize how much difference it ma...
sell me on it
trim harbor
my sensei is always tweaking out
still matrix
Is outlaw any good on beloren? Debating swapping to sub for it..
novel isle
Less delay in combo points showing up
Im on ElvUI atm
ornate heathBOT
tepid geode
Guys, i’m used to plate class. I assume I have to accept the fact that rogue will die from big hits? 
river wing
im p sure this is the tankiest leather dps
it ain't
tepid geode
Really enjoying outlaw, just hit 90
river wing
depends on the attack
timid idol
idk what feral can do
river wing
like WW has a cheatcode
timid idol
well we're the only one with an immunity no?
river wing
immunity doesn't matter nearly as much as you think
half the stuff in the game punches right through
tepid geode
Felt stoopid when I overpulled in open world like how did it with fury 
timid idol
for whatever reason
timid idol
Felt stoopid when I overpulled in open world like how did it with fury <:OMEGAKE...
you can do that if you can kills mobs during evasion timer
river wing
but for instance
any physical aoe? WW can actually ignore it every 30s and has equivalent feint every 12, and while it doesn't cover for magic, it's passive and costs nothing
DH has hilarious self-sustain which helps against rot
idk what Feral can do
tepid geode
you can do that if you can kills mobs during evasion timer
Aight, i gotta play more to get the hang of it
radiant wyvern
i believe it is a curse from god or some such entity than i get no bte resets at all until the pack is nearly dead and then its 5 resets in a row
river wing
We have fart bombs though
for now, yes
blissful idol
Anyone else's trick macro stopped working all of a sudden?
novel isle
we also have cheat death 
novel isle
Whats Elus do again
river wing
20% singletarget DR on feint
radiant wyvern
20% dr on feint and evasion
river wing
i.e. the only way you'll ever get okay ST defensives
radiant wyvern
it is simply better
river wing
If you know your going to get hit thats better
enemies cast shit at you
also sometimes things are functionally AoE but technically a set of ST attacks
novel isle
im still doing keys where I just live that tbh so iv not had to worry about tjay
on my way home after a week off now
ill check skills once im back and swap over if its better
molten pond
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
serene rivet
is it normal that i often feel energy starved in keys? or am I doing something wrong
tawdry summit
Is 31% crit 22% haste good?
river wing
I mean, you can go higher on both atm.
I think I'm running like 38% crit 24% haste without flask? And my gear isn't great, sitting at like 278 ilvl
tawdry summit
A few item drops i could squeeze out a little more crit
proven surge
Is 31% crit 22% haste good?
How much mast and vers you havin ?
tawdry summit
How much mast and vers you havin ?
21% mast. Not enough vers for me to remember rn lmao
novel isle
Do we want as little mas vers as possible?
proven surge
Yes sadly whenever you hit stat with diminishing returns you can start to invest on vers
lean flax
If I end up at 6 combo points and both AR and BTE come off cd when I get to 6, should I finisher then hit AR and BtE or just send AR even though I'm at high combo points
river wing
mast is rather bad
vers ain't bad but not as good as crit below 40% and haste below 25% usually
novel isle
Yes sadly whenever you hit stat with diminishing returns you can start to invest...
its a good problem to have
novel isle
If I end up at 6 combo points and both AR and BTE come off cd when I get to 6, s...
yes always spend when your about to AR
proven surge
its a good problem to have
Yes that would be a good problem to have but won't happen realistically
novel isle
otherwise its waste
novel isle
mast is rather bad
vers ain't bad but not as good as crit below 40% and haste be...
think I got to 23% haste prepatch so should be alright to get back into it
lean flax
Yeah I was just wondering if it's worse to waste 6 cp or the restless blades time gain
novel isle
Yeah I was just wondering if it's worse to waste 6 cp or the restless blades tim...
your not exactly wasting anything, your still going to end on the same cooldown minus like 0.2 seconds
the difference between spending the points and not spending them gives you 0 reduction anyway
assuming AR is already off cd
lean flax
True I didn't think about it like that
novel isle
plain whale
Is there a CDM trick to make RTB glow when it's duration is getting low like WeakAuras used to do?
Currently it just honks at me when it falls off
molten pond
How much haste do you have to get to ~24% ?
novel isle
Is there a CDM trick to make RTB glow when it's duration is getting low like Wea...
you can make the game say the buff name when it ends
I use that for ignore pain on warrior
molten pond
I have 776 and only 21%, when i check other I feel they have more with the same
plain whale
Oh so is it okay to have RTB fall off for .5 seconds then get re-applied?
Not the end of the world?
Cause I react to the sound queue. I just didn't know if I could prep it ahead of time.
lean flax
1 more question, if I'm at 1 cp and have 3 stacks of opportunity and KS is ready, should I use the opportunity stacks and spend KS at 5 or build normally then KS
halcyon chasm
@molten pond racial probably. ie blood elves can hit 42% crit before crit DR
novel isle
1 more question, if I'm at 1 cp and have 3 stacks of opportunity and KS is ready...
as long as your not building with @5 is fine
halcyon chasm
I have 776 and only 21%, when i check other I feel they have more with the same
44 rating for 1% haste = 1056 rating for 24% haste. Or 924 with alacrity
timber knoll
damn outlaw kinda cooking right now
slim hare
as long as your not building with @5 is fine
your suppose to always build at 5 cp except when ks is ready
compact wigeon
why do we never send dispatch on 5 cp on trickster? We did with fatebound
cinder relic
fatebound has passives that are a payoff for using finishers at 5
trickster does not
blazing field
hey, do we skip KS?
compact wigeon
yeah but if its just dispatch does it matter that much if its 5, 6 or 7 cp
plain whale
Guy, does waiting until RTB falls off to refresh it cause a dps loss?
blazing field
*clip
plain whale
Like, wait until my UI honks at me
compact wigeon
i feel like its only worth pressing ss on 5 cp for BTE
plain whale
Then re-send it?
cinder relic
Guy, does waiting until RTB falls off to refresh it cause a dps loss?
Probs a very small one
glass mortar
it is worth pressing any builder
its not a huge loss, think it was like 0.7% dps or something to finish at 5 as trickster
but its a loss 🤷
crimson scarab
Then re-send it?
i always resend it 0 secs remaining
plain whale
Should I try to pandemic it? Or do you have a UI suggestion to make it noticeable sooner? Other than using my eyes..
crimson scarab
right before my buff expires
cinder relic
yeah but if its just dispatch does it matter that much if its 5, 6 or 7 cp
A lot of the motivation for doing small things like that just end up being minor
But the math says "use another generator at 5 CP"
plain whale
My UI only tells me when it falls off.
random stirrup
Guy, does waiting until RTB falls off to refresh it cause a dps loss?
should also not override LD
glass mortar
no
random stirrup
if you still have it and are about to ar you can roll for free if you're at 2
jaunty rose
I guess I should do bonus roll in pit as sin or sub, hey?
compact wigeon
BF?
plain whale
Flurry at 3 targets
glass mortar
blade flurry (in aoe)
plain whale
or more
random stirrup
I guess I should do bonus roll in pit as sin or sub, hey?
if you don't need the bis offhand
jaunty rose
if you don't need the bis offhand
you mean if I do
compact wigeon
wtf
plain whale
Is this one of our other BiS?
random stirrup
hm yes i do mean that
compact wigeon
how am i getting 99 logs never doing any of these things
ive played it wrong for so long
glass mortar
because the variance of the spec is large and its a 0.7% dps optimization
like i said
cinder relic
Because these types of rotational things are like 1%ish
compact wigeon
well 1% is alot i feel ike
cinder relic
You can "play wrong" on a lot of specs and still get rank 1 parses
compact wigeon
for getting high parses
glass mortar
not rlly
cinder relic
It doesnt when variance is involved
inland meteor
Is this one of our other BiS?
What font is that do you know?
compact wigeon
aight thanks guys
cinder relic
np gamer
compact wigeon
oh another thing. Do you never feel energy starved doing this?
in ST on voracious for example
cinder relic
In raid not really
Idk if this rotational thing is what causes it
Trickster is just worse on energy
compact wigeon
yes it doesnt have the energy talent
fatebound did
but it probably is
im fuckin g something up
compact wigeon
hell naw
glass mortar
thats what im aiming for
compact wigeon
how the fuck are u supposed to get that
glass mortar
flask
compact wigeon
when we also want 40% crit
glass mortar
40% crit is just where crit starts to even out with mastery and vers
its not like you need to achieve it to hit some threshold
id rather not have awful energy
crimson scarab
so are u running haste flasks for dungs?
glass mortar
on longer fights (dungeons) u want more haste tho
7 minutes probably only rarely runs out too tbh
but st needs less because no deft
im just aiming for 24% haste that way in raid i can crit flask
in dungeons haste
compact wigeon
hm okay. I only really care about ST raid, because dungeons it feels fine
glass mortar
and thatll get me to 28% haste
sturdy ore
what to craft first? sword or dagger
compact wigeon
main hand
glass mortar
mh
sturdy ore
that means sword right
glass mortar
if ur lookin to play outlaw yea
compact wigeon
its a little better early
but i think having arcanoweave and prismatic iris is better later
for embellisments
compact wigeon
ye always sim
reef forge
are we still terrible with aug?
compact wigeon
you can sim ur crafted weapons too
compact wigeon
are we still terrible with aug?
no
reef forge
what changed?
reef forge
nice
compact wigeon
u simming 8 targets?
sturdy ore
5 target 5 min
compact wigeon
isnt dungeon slice better for rogues? or is that old news
sturdy ore
i haven't used dungeon slice for a long time
inland acorn
Dslice is good sim for m+
1t for st
2-8t 1 min aoe like m+ pack
Dslice has mix of packs and st so its good representation of dungs
sturdy ore
the sim damage just divided by 2 in dslice lol
inland acorn
Seems about right ye
sturdy ore
thats a +- of what i should have overall
inland acorn
I wouldnt use it to judge overall
Becuase theres too many factors in game
Routes, comp, dungeon, uptime etc.
sturdy ore
yea you right
last dung i did 85 overall with 255
but i struggle to stay alive so uptime is kinda bad
fresh palm
yo if yall aint using ur bonus rolls on mythic dreamrift what would u use them on? cant get a kill with a pug group.
compact wigeon
pit
ornate kernel
Hii, wich trink i have to prio after "Gaze of the Alnseer"? i got it on hero with the forge
compact wigeon
we can use the most items from POS
fresh palm
i thought of pit or sr for solarflare
compact wigeon
Hii, wich trink i have to prio after "Gaze of the Alnseer"? i got it on hero wit...
umbral fro mbelo
compact wigeon
i thought of pit or sr for solarflare
solarflare is not that good imo
sturdy ore
i wanna roll on solarflare too
compact wigeon
umbral alot better
fresh palm
hmmmmm okay okay
lean flax
did we get an extra reroll this week
icy token
hello gang! I
have a question, we send Between the eyes at 6+ but if it resets do we just keep spamming it till it stops (without caring of the ammount combo points) or i build it back to 6+?
compact wigeon
but if u dont raid mythic dont use bonus rolls on heroic raids before dungeons imo
compact wigeon
hello gang! I
have a question, we send Between the eyes at 6+ but if it resets...
always 6+
sturdy ore
umbral better but low chances to get it
compact wigeon
if it resets at 5 hit a builder
icy token
always 6+
that's what i thought, i just saw a "tutorial" saying to spam it when it progs, and i thought that make no sense
sturdy ore
i'm working on a addon to help new outlaw players but wow likes to fuck with api
fresh palm
but if u dont raid mythic dont use bonus rolls on heroic raids before dungeons i...
'ppreciate it ty
sturdy ore
i was planning on doing a BTE helper for that reason
icy token
i was planning on doing a BTE helper for that reason
that would be dope
sturdy ore
it will be, if i get it to work somehow
theoretically its just a alert that says its safe to use BTE if you have enough CP
icy token
theoretically its just a alert that says its safe to use BTE if you have enough ...
yeah I used to have a WA I made myself with that same purpose
sturdy ore
and its sound+text based alert
yea same..
i used to play outlaw with only sound based alert for everything and it was smooth
but since wow did the api changes, its a bit of a struggle to keep everything clean in the rotation
icy token
i used to play outlaw with only sound based alert for everything and it was smoo...
yeah, I hate spending my gameplay watching red dots pop up on my UI
sturdy ore
yeah, I hate spending my gameplay watching red dots pop up on my UI
red dots is fine, but keeping up with BTE and rtb rolls, blade flurry uptime
hard for a player that used to take advantage of WA
strong shell
does any1 know why warcraftlogs says 2800 agi on top outlaw rogues? thhat seems to be waaaaaaaay too high?
icy token
what u use to get the addon?
compact wigeon
does any1 know why warcraftlogs says 2800 agi on top outlaw rogues? thhat seems ...
which ones? i cant see anyone with 2800 agi
random stirrup
does any1 know why warcraftlogs says 2800 agi on top outlaw rogues? thhat seems ...
includes power pot
wide heath
guys is there an ui pack I can copy from wago that is rogue centric ?
silver venture
do we use m+ build or single target for paladins raid boss
lean flax
do we use m+ build or single target for paladins raid boss
prolly m+ since you want blade flurry always up and the extra time is nice
undone hare
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
- Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
lean flax
what does it mean that wangbar is faster than sensei?
like does it just react to things faster or...?
sturdy ore
what u use to get the addon?
wdym
gaunt phoenix
at the time senseiresourcebar didnt use events
lean flax
does it use events now? I'm using sensei atm because it fits with luxthos profile that i like
icy token
wdym
what u are using to create (or planning to) display the prog of BtE, like what addon, like we used to with WA.
lean flax
idk much about addon functionality
sturdy ore
what u are using to create (or planning to) display the prog of BtE, like what a...
fully made by me adn chatgpt :)))
icy token
fully made by me adn chatgpt :)))
beast ❤️
alright, i will let ya cook, let us know when u get it 😄
sturdy ore
i'll give you a version soon to test if you are new and struggle with uptimes on blade flurry and can't keep track of rolls
gaunt phoenix
does it use events now? I'm using sensei atm because it fits with luxthos profil...
No idea
novel anvil
@sturdy ore that would help me tremendously too
sturdy ore
i'll give you one too, would a version with only blade flurry and roll the bones reminder be good for u for now?
silver venture
prolly m+ since you want blade flurry always up and the extra time is nice
thanks did wonders
sleek cedar
if we get procs on BtE do we just spam them out or do we build to 6-7points first ?
gaunt phoenix
You build to 6
novel anvil
i'll give you one too, would a version with only blade flurry and roll the bones...
yeah that would be great
jaunty arrow
I wanna learn outlaw but I aint got the IQ needed
unkempt dew
dusty blaze
separate keybind recommended
pure folio
I wanna learn outlaw but I aint got the IQ needed
its not that hard, especially if u play fatebound
silk obsidian
!stats
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
jaunty arrow
its not that hard, especially if u play fatebound
Yeah just need to do my DD but I enjoy the flow of assa more
stable cave
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
nova sinew
BRVTAL
nova sinew
red name debuff
keen belfry
thats fucked
long bramble
inner meadow
https://tenor.com/view/relaxed-dog-dog-meme-closed-eyes-dog-prodeunb-gif-1815496...
help
glass shard
seeing a lot more outlaws in lfg
stable nest
glass shard
frauds........
buoyant stratus
we go for round 2
earnest sphinx
jagged plover
they should accumulate
placid ocean
Considering we're working with AI slop code and there's a plethora of bugs, I think it's safe to say we don't know.
indigo leaf
vivid vessel
idk about cooking everybody lol
its a good spec
its not really winning overalls against arms or meta specs
lunar spade
does it stll need the melee cleave comp to shine?
vivid vessel
ye
lunar spade
thx, good to know, thats what i felt to
vivid vessel
basically
dk dh aug will outdamage you without any raid buff
arms will out damage you
feral will sometimes out damage you
but you are doing very very competitive damage
also im talking hgih keys
in low keys outlaw should prolly win most of the times
lunar spade
for the usual pug it feels far worse then sub to me.
crude flower
So
How does outlaw feel now after the changes
:D
Both enjoyment and output wise
strange kelp
but you are doing very very competitive damage
Is it any better now dmg profile wise since ADR kind of has actual burst or basically still the same?
crude flower
I am
fucking stupid
I come in here and ask a question that was answered like 5 lines above
mb
strange kelp
Shame
crude flower
dk dh aug will outdamage you without any raid buff
Also side note
semi sadge about how big of a diffrence raidbuffs make for m+
wet nest
!up
crude flower
!up
ornate heathBOT
vivid vessel
Is it any better now dmg profile wise since ADR kind of has actual burst or basi...
no thats irrelevant