outlaw

[livid sand]

And outlaw sims higher for me too🤣

[craggy barn]

outlaw out performs the other 2 specs in sims

not worth comparing

sims dont mean anything between specs

[balmy topaz]

Majority of the time it does

[unkempt dew]

Just play what you like

[craggy barn]

but yea, OBR for outlaw is just straight bad

like -19023123%

the OBR longer gcd is just absolutely bad for outlaw

[balmy topaz]

I mean don’t always take sim for face value tho

For example

WW simmed not great

Yet the took it to RWF

[craggy barn]

sims are meaningless for determining what is good in actual content

[balmy topaz]

Also with outlaw yes it sims well but

5/8 dungeons have damage amps

Which sub can abuse a lot more than outlaw

Subs damage profile is also infinitely better

[livid sand]

But why is it there is no one playing sub in 18-20 keys? Its all sin and outlaw

[craggy barn]

sub is very frontloaded

[livid sand]

It seemed the top subs on rio moved to either too

[craggy barn]

and doesnt perform well when shit lives long

[livid sand]

So its only good in low keys?

[craggy barn]

sin VERY much gains when mobs live longer

yes

[balmy topaz]

Sin again

Has burst

Unfortunately in very few circumstances do you benefit having sustain dmg over burst

[livid sand]

When would be the breakpoint? At which key level? I am currently pugging into 16s

[balmy topaz]

To not play sub?

[livid sand]

Yes

[balmy topaz]

I mean just play what you like

[craggy barn]

^^

[livid sand]

I like both!

[craggy barn]

its mostly comp dependent at much higher keys

sub and sin have different profiles that fit different comps

but even then

u can kinda just play whatever

[balmy topaz]

If you like both equally and have no preference then play the one that has the most competitive advantage

[craggy barn]

like im playing outlaw in these weird groups

[livid sand]

I used to play outlaw bfa to dragonflight. But it seems i cannot do it anymore🤣

[craggy barn]

ret demo brew sham

or like udk resto bdk bm

literally doesnt matter

[livid sand]

Which would be sin in higher keys right, just trying to figure out when this would be

[craggy barn]

no specific number really, if u want to play sin and push it higher, u just start now

u can literally push with any of the 3, sin just has a bigger advantage in that it fits better than outlaw and sub in the meta comps

[balmy topaz]

It’s hard cus

It depends on player skill on the whole team skill

[foggy cove]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[balmy topaz]

Tank:Pull size, chain pulling
Healer: if you have a good healer that keeps you up you’ll play more confident
Dps: if they know when to pop cds effectively at that key level it could make it hard for Assa to show full potential

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon turns out if i buy a rtx 5090 laptop it will have 30% the performance of my pc

or maybe 25%

on single player games that is

fk that lmao

[little lichen]

Quick question: if I finish combat with full combo points and SnD up, but not bf, do I still open the next fight with bf? I assume so, yes?

[fossil lintel]

You only use snd on opener if you don't have snd

You should have snd going into the first pack of the dungeon as well

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[craggy barn]

the answer is yes u want to get bf up asap into a new pack

[fossil lintel]

I think I misread that I shouldn't be on discord at 5am lol

[craggy barn]

lol

[blissful gate]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-i-am-speed-lightning-mcqueen-cars-meme-gif-14031708

[craggy barn]

nice

[little lichen]

Right, so bf even if overcapping CP. Ty!:)

[craggy barn]

ye

[fossil lintel]

Honestly I was using a haste flask that put me at 27% and didn't feel a lot of energy issues

I may go back to crit flask

[craggy barn]

the bug fix helped a bit

no longer dumping 30 energy for nothing is pretty good for our energy gen

[daring yoke]

i ran POS with bonus rolls in first day got cape and pants i dont need.

rolls refunded today, ran POS again, gave me the exact same things. cape and pants.

fuck this 😭

[dusty blaze]

Gulp

[craggy barn]

rip

i havent seen a repeat yet on my rog

[foggy cove]

no way to check if things got removed from pool first time other than getting a dupe huh

[daring yoke]

game telling me that im destined for these loot no matter what

[nocturne shuttle]

does coupe have higher priority than bte

[astral wind]

They didn't get removed from pool before the refund, they said that's how it would be

[foggy cove]

oh ic

[astral wind]

Otherwise it's completely insane for people that did use and then get refunded

So being able to get the same items as before the refund is fully intended

[foggy cove]

nows the time to use all that saved up luck from constant stage one RTBs

[sonic pawn]

@daring yoke Feels bad man 🙁

[astral wind]

If we didn't roll before the bug, are they still refunding us also, or did they have a way to flag accounts?

[sonic pawn]

@astral wind Nope. Refunds only occur before the fix if you did it after then they wont get refunded.

[astral wind]

Figures, not that I need more rolls I'm 2 weeks behind on being able to cap out all the myth items I have anyway

[craggy barn]

no, bte > ks > dispatch/coup

u ignore coup pretty much bc dispatch just turns into coup

[sonic pawn]

the line exploit early exploit often comes to mind 😄

[astral wind]

Well, wasn't really exploiting, there's still that guy who got 3 shoulders, he could be refunded his 3 and get a 4th shoulders again

[sonic pawn]

Oh i know the refunding logic is quite contentious from blizzard some people are gonna feel shafted.

[near osprey]

what time was it refunded? or like when

[foggy needle]

how much vers do yall have? i started gearing outlaw and this is what i made work with the sub gear i have

[foggy needle]

i got mine back about an hour ago

in the mail

[foggy cove]

looks like it did actually for me

[astral wind]

Are you saying that based on what you rolled or when you hover over the coin, were the items already excluded?

[foggy cove]

hovering over the roll

i rolled pos neck and legs on patch day and looking over the roll neck is there but legs arent

[astral wind]

Very odd

[foggy cove]

thank you blizzard for giving me one after another

[ancient cobalt]

chat which bis list do i use wowhead or fuu sim 🤔

[clever wasp]

u use raidbots untill ur full bis

the bis lists are mostly irrelevant untill u have all the items

[steel oxide]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[brisk tusk]

So the bug was that if you rolled the same dungeon on diff key levels it wouldnt remove the loot

You probably rolled twice on the same level

[foggy cove]

ic

yeah think i was only running on 10s

[frozen quest]

i feel like theres no moment to press prep xd my i always have either bf or br or between the eyes in big packs off cd

[brisk tusk]

I just slam after AR when i have BR and BTE on cd as well

[frozen quest]

after prep what do you press? br into ar into bte?

[brisk tusk]

I wont use AR again until it expires

Usually just use next pack tbh

[gaunt phoenix]

don't need to perfectly reset everything

[brisk tusk]

But i havent done high keys on my rogue yet she's still a baby

[frozen quest]

ye im running 10-12 now on outlaw to learn it

[brisk tusk]

Honestly as long as prep hits AR and BR its probably worth

BF is irrelevant it has 100% uptime anyways

KS is nice to hit but not crazy

[jagged plover]

i cant believe they actually nerfed trap farming preys

[frozen quest]

is that dmg breakdown good or should something be higher ?

[unique fulcrum]

so glad they made it so only we could see the smoke bomb!! now only we have to deal with th visual clutter

[brisk tusk]

Lmaoooo

I didnt realize other ppl could see that thats dumb asf

Brings back shadowlands memories with wild spirits

[fluid meadow]

was so funny with random tanks like they move away every time 20yr from the cloud, but if dungeon aoe or any shit on the ground they never move

[arctic hollow]

Vestige is 6/6 myth, prism hm. When will i be free

[unique fulcrum]

thats crazy

i havent been using that trinket for 2 weeks now

[arctic hollow]

I just item restored it out of curiosity and now i feel like the leech alone means i have to equip it again

[pliant crystal]

is there a way to show combo points as a numerical value instead?

[arctic hollow]

Some addons allow to add a number to the combo bar, so probably yes

[timid idol]

are we supposed to cloak during chimaerus soak

the horrify thing

why is everyone getting onetapped in that

[lament cloud]

are you stacking to early?

[simple orchid]

The crucible is that good? Funny how every guide dont even rank it

[leaden sonnet]

It is really good yes

[arctic hollow]

The realm swap ? I don't think it's supposed to oneshot you no

[vale bear]

He can anyone help with rotation for opener im struggling with first pack in alghetar to deal big damage fast especially in low keys like 10-12

[unkempt dew]

Ofc the waist drops in dreamrift if I use my bonus roll

Oh well atleast it’s a upgrade

I have everything except the trinket that I want

Does that mean if I roll next week i get the trinket?

[arctic hollow]

I dont think having the item from natural loot removes it from the bonus loot table

[ocean veldt]

KS on cooldown usage?

[unkempt dew]

Aah shit

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[tender breach]

Arcui isnt tracking TOT after patch. Anyone has the same problem?

[lusty grove]

do you macro your pot with AR ?

[arctic hollow]

I macro it with KiR

[lusty grove]

oou smart

[arctic hollow]

It's not optimal in keys

[near osprey]

the macro with kir or ar is not optimal?

[arctic hollow]

I dont think pot on a macro is ever optimal in key, we dont hold out cds, so i feel like having it separate is better, I dont push though so i might be wrong. In raid on KiR it's fine since you'll want to send pot on stage 3 or 4 ideally

[near osprey]

you dont think pot off pull w ar for opener is better?

in raid*

i mean

[arctic hollow]

It's fine for the first pull of the key but then you just send pot on CD and a lot will be wasted

ah

With Preparation we have two AR on pull so it's a personnal failsafe to use the pot on a better roll in case first RtB is stage 2

Since we get more damage from Stage 3 than from BL

[lusty grove]

I see thanks

[tropic zephyr]

Same brother

I don't raid so I had to spend 5h to kill it with pugs

For a belt

[near osprey]

so you think that id probably do more dps in raid if i macrod it to kir over ar?

cause if i got stage 2 beginning and then stage 3 from the 2nd ar

it would prolly be better

[timid idol]

i figured it out

people were walking into the soak before i was getting horrified

which caused me to take dmg from the horrify and the pulse

[timid idol]

i mean the belt is goated no?

its crit haste

you could have rolled the dogshit trinket

the belt is genuinely useful lol

the undreamt shit is legit vendor trash

[timid idol]

i think it should? it's the same as if you tried to roll for it no?

if you have a stronger version of the item you cannot get it

[obsidian walrus]

if BTE resets do we build back up to 6+ or just spam it insta ?

[dusty blaze]

6+

[brisk tusk]

I have tier from chim already and it still showed up in the potential drop list

So i dont think so

[leaden sonnet]

Unless you got the item from the bonus roll previously it will be available from the bonus roll

[tropic zephyr]

i mean

i don't even gaze hc

so

yeah belt is ok but that's not what i want rofl

[true light]

any cool roll the bones addons/weak auras that actually work still or we just stuck with the basic blizzard bars?

[fathom holly]

how much do i lose if i drop prep

[unkempt dew]

This!

That trinket is such a good upgrade

[near rock]

ty blizzardo

[vivid vessel]

Disgusting bug abuser !

Abuse early abuse often !

[blissful idol]

watch us get exact same items kekw

[true light]

for weapon enchants yall using what is on wowhead or what the sims tell you? been getting different answers on this

[vivid vessel]

I hope you do

Only way it's fair

[fathom whale]

silly question but is there a way to add a sound to my cd manager for when my roll buffs drop off?

[unique fulcrum]

i only got one back, sadge

[blissful idol]

bro u are 287 next week

[brisk tusk]

Im praying i used mine early enough for refund but i doubt it

[delicate oxide]

Did you ever find some useful tools to analyze logs?

[vivid vessel]

yes prolly

i think im getting crest achiev next week

the 285 thingh

[sterile obsidian]

Do we use AR to generate cp? Or just send it when all mobs are gathered, even when we have full cp?

[jagged plover]

at 1-2cp ideally

[sterile obsidian]

But sometimes it feels kinda awkward when I get lots of resets in the opening and use like 5 finishers without AR running

[brisk tusk]

AR should be pretty much first in opener tho no?

[sterile obsidian]

With the new changes, we can only uise AR when the mobs are gathered tho. And I use some spells while the tank gathers the mobs. So i often have full cp when all mobs are gathered I can blast

[brisk tusk]

I mean yesish. As long as cloud is in a spot you can easily move into again before it expires you dont really need to wait

[vapid blaze]

is there a way to topgear sim 30s

[brisk tusk]

There are options for 20 and 40 seconds, not for 30

[vapid blaze]

iK was wondering if you can that via advanced measures

[leaden sonnet]

max_time=30
vary_combat_length=0

In the advanced section, probably in the footer (by default sim has a 20% variance with its timer)

[opaque zenith]

After ace procs do I spam BTE or build to 6+ then BTE?

[ocean veldt]

only kir Jackpot?

[opaque zenith]

3 and above

[ocean veldt]

after 3 roll insta use kir ?

[opaque zenith]

Yeah from what the pin states

[tame void]

what buffs should i track? I am using atrocity UI and i think im tracking a bit 2 much 😅 im new to outlaw so help is appreciated 😄

[silent grail]

Should we be running Crucible trinket in m+?

[leaden sonnet]

Its not the absolute best, but it is very strong

[silent grail]

Alright ty, probably seems best i can get since i dont raid

and already have prism

[tame plinth]

Do we keep spamming BtE when we get the reset without worrying about combo points untill it stops resetting ? I know this has been asked a thousand times but I can't find it. (as Trickster)

[plain whale]

What M+ tech do you do before pull with SnD etc?

!opener

[lavish lark]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[lavish lark]

Snd in bubble means you pull up to the first pack and blast without worrying about it

[plain whale]

Can you KS without a target?

[lavish lark]

Yeah

[plain whale]

This is pre bubble?

Or during bubble?

[lavish lark]

The first two are pre key

And snd is in bubble

Same as a prekey prepot for the first two

[stone blaze]

!macros

[split olive]

No not yet, sounds like people are just analyzing the data raw on Warcraftlogs and posting it here for help. Archon might help a little. I probably need to craft some non-daggers and get a feel for it myself to understand what's changed

[jagged plover]

dont think you need most of those

[inland acorn]

Wowanalyzer has not been maintained for outlaw. Best way to get help is:
-Post log in thread with command !logs
-Post recording with you doing rotation (can be on dummy for like 1 min), with some kind of GCD tracker/history visible on screen
-Ask questions if something is not clear from #outlaw-faq

Recording is way better than log, since it's way easier to spot mistakes

[tame void]

yea removed alot of the tracked buffs

[proper wren]

Is outlaw the best for high keys rn?

asking for a friend

[vivid vessel]

prolly assa or outlaw

seems similar to me

[tame void]

ive been playing assa, the assa prio is pretty good, idk if outlaw is similar? but overall outlaw prolly ahead

[royal cloud]

does it matter if I put the embellishment on my dagger from assa and it's now my offhand? instead of on my crafted sword?

[inland acorn]

no

[livid pewter]

anyone got knocked by the bird in cavern dungeon and tried to hook back on the ground? i always get baited to hook... ending up in a game crash everytime haha

[split olive]

Recording would be nice, but in this instance it's not about my play and rather trying to analyze someone in my guild. I was just looking for something quick/easy to spot issues

[teal lava]

hey i am wanting to play rogue i was wondering from yalls pov how hard is it to pick up outlaw

[inland acorn]

Yeah in that case, best to just post his log in thread or ask him to record. Idk if anyone is going to update wowanalyzer

[tepid geode]

wondering the same

[jagged plover]

if you're good at reacting to moment to moment gameplay and can remember a few rules it's not that hard

and you don't really have to plan cds like other specs do

mistakes are kind of small but easy to make

like opportunity proc spending

[river wing]

well you do
but not for all fights

[brisk tusk]

More buttons than most other specs in the game rn which can seem intimidating but honestly its not that complex at a surface level imo

[river wing]

like popping AR on Crown P1 too late is devastating

[jagged plover]

i mean, 99% of the time the correct thing to do is send your adr, holding is only in very obvious cases

like an intermission yea i mean that's just

common sense

[river wing]

technically yes
but functionally it might mean you're sitting out there with shitty energy and OoaK for 20 seconds because you know you won't recover AR in those 20 seconds+whatever downtime

[brisk tusk]

I mean youll spend more time than that without Adr if you have poor uptime during it

So i dont get that argument

Thats like getting upset that you have to sit at 50 souls as devo before intermission bc otherwise you waste them

[river wing]

all I'm saying is
you do gotta plan your CDs in a similar manner to other classes

[jagged plover]

it's not really the same level of planning at all

[brisk tusk]

^^ you plan your cds on the same level that BM hunters do. Yes you shouldnt waste it but its up frequently enough that more often than not sending on cd is the best option

[odd marlin]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[river wing]

idk
seems very similar to me, and there's an extra layer of "will I get enough uptime to make this 3 minute into functionally 40s which it's balanced for"

if anything, wasting say a DM as Assa
might be more impactful to your damage overall maybe, but less impactful in how proper the spec feels to play

[safe talon]

Guys, is it just like this - currently playing Outlaw - looking at all these skills to use and constantly checking if Blade Flurry and Roll the bones are active - it hurts my eyes just from one mythic+ 🥲

[brisk tusk]

Need a better cdm then

[river wing]

put them into CDM somewhere you can track them easily

[safe talon]

I have addons and CDM

and even with them

[brisk tusk]

BF and RTB are the only buffs i track honestly

[river wing]

there isn't much to track but RtB, BF, maybe Loaded, maybe Apex

Loaded is more of an optimization than necessity, so is apex

actual CDs to track are BF/BR/BtE/KS/AR (Prep if you have it), so also not a lot

[teal lava]

it could be leveling or bc i am hitting somthing wrong but is it normal to be semi energy deprived some times

[river wing]

levelling is trash

[brisk tusk]

If you dont have 25 ish percent haste you will run out of energy a lot yes

[ocean veldt]

Which buffs i should track

[river wing]

on cap you'll have a somewhat better time but sometimes it's just no energy town for a short time

coup is useless
bte buff is useless
coins are also useless ngl

[jagged plover]

put blade flurry as a bar

ideally the only bar

[river wing]

naw rtb is also good as a bar

[jagged plover]

way easier to keep track of

[wide coral]

track the bullets from apex talent

[jagged plover]

i much prefer bars for short durations, long ones you don't need to imo

[brisk tusk]

I use a bar for rtb cause id rather read it than check the icon every time but thats personal pref

[jolly geyser]

I have bar for rtb also

[river wing]

also so that I know whether it's worth to reroll rn or if there's like 15 seconds left on DT and I can clean up the current fight before rerolling

[jagged plover]

1/2 look a little similar but im kinda used to it now

[jolly geyser]

rtb and bf as bars here

[brisk tusk]

Side note making rtb one buff to track makes me so much happier

[river wing]

legit the reason I tried outlaw again this expac

I could play the old one but it was a mess with all the buffs going

[jagged plover]

it being one buff matters less to me than it just being a cumulative level sort of deal

that makes it way more intuitive

[brisk tusk]

Ya that too

No more mentally juggling whether a set of buffs is worth rerolling or not

[jagged plover]

that was probably the most complex part of the spec for me before

[proven ocean]

Fk it i bought a gaming laptop with rtx 5090 @desert tendon

Rog strix scar

[jagged plover]

and a bit of a balance nightmare

[proven ocean]

[safe talon]

when we have coup the drace, then we should use it at 2 combo points? Or it works like we have 6-7 combo points and bonus +5 then hit damage is 12-13 combo points?

[brisk tusk]

You always send at 6+

You dont worry about the extra cps at all

[safe talon]

Oki doki

[humble badge]

Why everyone went trickster? It still shows me worse aoe and single dps on my simcraft, what am I missing?

[jagged plover]

got buffed to be 13% ahead of fatebound

you need to allocate this talent if you haven't

[brisk tusk]

I thought it wasnt quite 13% bc of the bonus crit dam not applying to BF

[deep sequoia]

Your probably not Playing cloud cover talent

[jagged plover]

probably nothing ever works for this spec

[humble badge]

I do

[brisk tusk]

Its okay a spriest bug from s1 TWW is making them do absurd dam as VW rn. Blizz doesnt know whats going on

Also UH was unplayable for 3 days cause of busg

[jagged plover]

wish they'd fix this RTB display bug

at least they fixed distract energy meme, our energy is marginally buffed!

[near rock]

you don't cast bf in ST so its still 13% there

in aoe yeah its prob a bit lower

[brisk tusk]

Nothing will beat counterspelling on cd in bfa as fire mage for like a 1% dps gain for me

[fossil lintel]

Wait, did they fix the energy thing?

[jolly geyser]

ye

[fossil lintel]

I can stop pooling before ar?

[jagged plover]

yup

[fossil lintel]

Nice

Maybe that's why I felt energy was a lot better last night

I assumed it was the haste flask

[inland acorn]

Too bad they fixed smoke for others

Now we grief only ourselves with it

[nocturne shuttle]

anyone know if its possible to have native cdm tts for bte refund proc

might just be new alert bte when available sound

[brisk tusk]

Idk if you can do sounds with bcdm or not

[ocean veldt]

Main guche on top 3 dps meter does it right

[jagged plover]

native cdm has sound alerts

but they feel very delayed to me

[brisk tusk]

Oh wait you def can i forgot

[nocturne shuttle]

figured u can

ill figure it out when i get on

ty

[brisk tusk]

I made my mistweaver make a bicycle bell sound everytime RSK resets lmao

[jagged plover]

just right click the icon i think

[inland acorn]

Isnt this because sounds play on gcd

Like when gcd is ready or something

Unlike WAs where we had sound the moment it happened

[jagged plover]

that sounds plausible

incredibly dumb and so plausible

[inland acorn]

at least thats what i noticed when i put sound on BtE when ready

When bte resets it plays sound, when i can press gcd

Not when the actual reset happens

[jagged plover]

good thing we didn't lose any good functionality with the addon cull

[inland acorn]

[shadow trellis]

This is so annoying

I hoped they would be way more involved in giving us better functionality with base ui

[jagged plover]

instead we got half baked trash

[shadow trellis]

ChatGPT patches

from now on

[jagged plover]

20 years of passion projects vs 6months of copilot

gee i wonder

[brisk tusk]

It is definitely when the gcd is up yes

I couldnt figure out how to fix it on mw either

All i ask is that there is some QA testing done so we dont have specs bugged to the point of unplayability every patch

[jagged plover]

the best qa you can get is on prod for free

[grim spear]

cloud cover 30 energy thing got fixed?

[jagged plover]

ye

[grim spear]

👌 ty

[frozen quest]

What should be my Overall in +10 Range ? 150k?

[elder sonnet]

so what's the update on the sim bug

was our buff placeb

[compact wigeon]

depends on alot of things. Dps will be lower in lower keys because tanks are worse probably

But 150 in a +10 is good

[frozen quest]

Ok ty

I just feel like I’m to focused on Rotation and cant see what’s Happening

Any tips ? Or do I just Need to play more

[compact wigeon]

its gonna be easier when you learn the spec and the rotation just flows

[brisk tusk]

That comes with comfort in a spec

[compact wigeon]

outlaw is hard to give tips on

[frozen quest]

Should I try Push my keys ? I’m + 15 Resi with some 16s timed
Or stay in lower keys to learn spec more

[brisk tusk]

Learn first for sure

[compact wigeon]

did you do +16's with sub or assa previously and just started on outlaw? then learn the spec

[frozen quest]

I did +16 on assa

Switched yesterday

[compact wigeon]

my biggest tip is probably

dont macro rtb on AR

else just learn the spec in lower keys

[frozen quest]

Don’t have that thanks

I press Everything Solo

Even pots

[compact wigeon]

thats gonna be alot of buttons then

[dusty perch]

when we are at 5 cp do ss or pistol proc ?

[frozen quest]

Yes my Bars are Full

[compact wigeon]

ss

[dusty perch]

ty !

[compact wigeon]

my rule is only pistol shot on 3 or lower

1-3

[ocean veldt]

Any tips for Prep ? On cd or saving for big packs ?

[compact wigeon]

sometimes 4

[compact wigeon]

if the pack is gonna live throuygh two AR's

then send it

[ocean veldt]

two Cloud overleaps or after one cloud done i should pop second ? @compact wigeon

[compact wigeon]

dont pop AR before last one is done

i just pop it right after first one fades

[vivid vessel]

But we got from very low fazed uptime on secondary targets (since only ks applied it in AOE) to a very high uptime thanks to cloud applying it in aoe

So still is a bigger AOE buff than st

[pallid oyster]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[ocean veldt]

!Kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[silver venture]

just use it when u hit 3 or 4

[ocean veldt]

i just dont understand hit 3 - 4

[compact wigeon]

triple threat or jackpot

we dont use kir on double trouble with trickster

[ocean veldt]

So Kir - Light pot macro useful right

[compact wigeon]

no

if you really need to macro light pot then do it to ar

imo

[brisk tusk]

Honestly i never macro pots into anything

Its always manual for me

[wintry solar]

Old ass command

[compact wigeon]

most people are used to macring racials and pots etc because of button bloat in ttw probably

i know i am

[brisk tusk]

I play dwarf/nelf so no racials to macro tbf

But i get that

[compact wigeon]

ye im mag'har orc

[brisk tusk]

I do macro trinkets when the cd lines up

[sacred panther]

is it a big dps loss if I drop KS?

[compact wigeon]

for what

usually yes

but try to sim it

[brisk tusk]

I thought the rule was if youre going to cap energy/combo then its better to cancel early

[buoyant cosmos]

You can cancel at full energy if you want

[brisk tusk]

Thats what ive been doing at least lol hopefully not griefing

[buoyant cosmos]

I've just been doing 6/7 combo points

[tepid star]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[compact wigeon]

did he mean "cancel" KS when he said "drop"? I thought he wanted to take KS out of the skill tree

[buoyant cosmos]

No he means get rid of

[reef forge]

does anyone know if bonus rolls are still scuffed if you roll on different key levels?

[buoyant cosmos]

I was talking to Ailith

[sacred panther]

True, I meant taking it out of the skill tree - im such a filthy casual that I feel like I need to first start getting the rotation right, even in stressful situations, before adding more buttons

[buoyant cosmos]

KS helps you get energy back so you can keep blasting

[sacred panther]

so basically the question is: if I suck at using KS, would it be better to drop it until I get the hang of the spec 😄

[compact wigeon]

no use KS

[sacred panther]

that's true

[compact wigeon]

its best atm

learn to use it

is my best advice

i dont think it matters too much when you press it

[sacred panther]

alright, thanks!

[buoyant cosmos]

When BTE is on cooldown

That's about it

[brisk tusk]

Oh i see, i misunderstood what he was askinh

[frozen quest]

It’s actually insane the Energy uptime with 25%haste and Ks I Never run out of thistle teas

[compact wigeon]

well yeah obviosuly haha

[brisk tusk]

Are you guys running 25% haste natty btw?

[keen belfry]

u sure

[compact wigeon]

if bte is not on cd you press that shit always

[brisk tusk]

Or 19% to hit 25 in Adr

[buoyant cosmos]

He's new, I didn't want to take any chances

[buoyant cosmos]

Natty

[compact wigeon]

yes

still feels energy starved in ST

sometimes

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah

[compact wigeon]

Im on 25% haste(with oils) and 38% crit with flask

[compact wigeon]

im not sure ur playing the spec "correctly" then

ngl

for most dmg your apm should be so high energy regen shouldnt be able to keep up

[frozen quest]

Idk too but topping dmg

[compact wigeon]

fair enough

[meager swallow]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[compact wigeon]

i aoe its alot easier

but on St it shouldnt be possible unless you get giga rolls and just roll triple threat or jackpot every roll

[brisk tusk]

Just have good luck and all is golden

[frozen quest]

Exactly

[brisk tusk]

What are the odds on tt/jp comparatively btw?

[compact wigeon]

no clue actually

i just know i always get one of a kind everytime i use it without loaded dice

zdps moment

[keen belfry]

just doing loaded dice rolls its basically 55 30 15

[brisk tusk]

Can you not get oaak with loaded dice?

[compact wigeon]

no

[keen belfry]

yeah

it means +1

[brisk tusk]

Oh damn

Interesting

[vivid vessel]

wtf is ooak

[compact wigeon]

you cant get one of a kind with loaded dice

[keen belfry]

so if you rolled a 1, you get a 2, if you roll 2 you get a 3

but yes you literally cant get 1 buff with loaded dice

[brisk tusk]

I havent been running it guess i need to swap

[keen belfry]

its one of our best talents

[compact wigeon]

wat

[keen belfry]

you need it

[vivid vessel]

one of a kind

[compact wigeon]

u havent been running loaded dice?

[vivid vessel]

you guys are degenerate

[compact wigeon]

DAMN

[vivid vessel]

the next one that abbreviate

one of a kind

[keen belfry]

zac soimeone said tt/jp too

[vivid vessel]

im blocking

[compact wigeon]

ooak

[keen belfry]

tt/jp bro

[vivid vessel]

roll 1 roll 2 roll 3 jackpot

be normal

[brisk tusk]

Thats boring not normal

Sue me

[compact wigeon]

stage 1 2 3 4

[vivid vessel]

1 buffer

2 buffer

[keen belfry]

i got so fucked bro i rolled a ooak

[vivid vessel]

crit roll

jackpotmaxing

shit roll

[compact wigeon]

i call it the roll with the restless blades thingie

[vivid vessel]

i refuse ooak tho

cdr roll

[compact wigeon]

the roll right under the restless blades thingie

the bad roll

[keen belfry]

zac what do u do about leapers

[brisk tusk]

But no im like 99% sure loaded dice was not in any build on the guides when 12.0.5 dropped

[keen belfry]

in pit

[vivid vessel]

idk

[keen belfry]

i got triple leapt twice yesterday

[vivid vessel]

healer heals

we havent died fomr them yet

when we do in 22

[brisk tusk]

And thats when i maxed my rogue cause outlaw is my fav

[vivid vessel]

we just message blizzard

to complain

[keen belfry]

i got one shot twice in 20

[compact wigeon]

wait who are u zac

u stream?

[keen belfry]

triple leap is >100$ hp pool

on 20

[vivid vessel]

i keep evasion for when the lich guy is under 40%

[keen belfry]

maybe i can rando feint and live

[compact wigeon]

i only know casual doing high keys with outlaw

[vivid vessel]

cause vasion imune the leaps

[vivid vessel]

im zac

tomelvis

[compact wigeon]

aight cool

[vivid vessel]

casual isnt even doing high keys im offended honestly

[astral wind]

Would be awfully helpful if you could like, link your stream in your discord profile, or something

[compact wigeon]

got ur twitch

wdym is +21 not high or what

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel thoughts?

100% hp

[vivid vessel]

its cause only you is in comabt no ?

[compact wigeon]

just dodge bro

[vivid vessel]

nvm actually

but i mean idk

i press feint

when i enter these packs

cause its like

most dangerous pack in the game on pull

you know

[keen belfry]

yeah i learned

[compact wigeon]

i dont stream

[keen belfry]

but then same thing happened on earlier pack

so i just need to know

evasion on pull of these leapers

[astral wind]

That's...no...it's...okay

[compact wigeon]

i asked if zac does. His stream is zac__________________ on twitch

[astral wind]

You can literally see someone's twitch

If they've linked it

[keen belfry]

i was dropping nukes in pit last night

nbd

[astral wind]

By clicking his profile

[vivid vessel]

did you see the one i dropped wang ?

in pit 21

[keen belfry]

u barely beat me...

[vivid vessel]

wdym barely

i gapped your ass

you are washed up

[vivid vessel]

gege

gapped

[keen belfry]

i died twice nbd

[vivid vessel]

noob

[keen belfry]

250???

doable

[vivid vessel]

ye i think 250 is doable

i want to improve our route tho

i dont like

we do a pack with 3 mob at some point

gives me cancer

in the asshole

[keen belfry]

pack after 1ss boss?

[vivid vessel]

+10 weekly no leave pack

ye omegaly

[keen belfry]

mhm

kinda cringe

[vivid vessel]

ye

[keen belfry]

wanna know wahts funny

the no hp mobs dotn show up in details

[vivid vessel]

no

[keen belfry]

yes

[vivid vessel]

bro im so mad

[keen belfry]

u think i mdoing 100k in 5 target cleave?

[vivid vessel]

we play so little with my team

i wanna blast

[vivid vessel]

i said no

they dont

show up

neiter in logs

[keen belfry]

u typed it wrong

u should say something like yeah thats crazy

[novel isle]

which dung?

[vivid vessel]

pit

after first boss

[keen belfry]

u dont grab the 2 fra guy

far

[vivid vessel]

no

[novel isle]

God I love PIT

[vivid vessel]

but i asked my tank to do that now

we will

[novel isle]

best dung

[vivid vessel]

cause i dont wanna fight 3 mobs

[keen belfry]

pit is legit just blast dungeon

so fun

can u do dps???

[vivid vessel]

ye cool dungeon

[novel isle]

my own route

[vivid vessel]

noob route !

[novel isle]

think I adjusted it to skip pack 10

[keen belfry]

pull 4 tank dead

[novel isle]

Im the tank and I never feel like I will die 🤣

im working towards all 15's

[keen belfry]

2 graveblades for fun, random lich for fun

i respect it

[novel isle]

but trying to find a group to do it with

[vivid vessel]

ok wang

[novel isle]

they are not very scary

[vivid vessel]

i need to go buy groceries

when i come back

i do keys

and imma gap you

so hard

you will see

[inland meteor]

awang fight back

[keen belfry]

zac im kinda blasting now

its kinda GG

[tough salmon]

Dw wang i will sabotage zac

[keen belfry]

so porsea

with new fart cloud

3 target good

do more 2-4 target pulls

[vivid vessel]

fr fr

[keen belfry]

cuz more fart can concentrate on the prio mobs

[vivid vessel]

2 targets packs go crazy !

[keen belfry]

imagine all that gas surrounding just 2 mobs

[vivid vessel]

he cant see the cloud anymore anyway

[tough salmon]

Mhm okay concentrated fart cloud tech

[vivid vessel]

were you playing around cloud porsea

like not going away

when i dropped it

[tough salmon]

I was trying to stay near it ye

[frozen quest]

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/y stop moving Tank

[vivid vessel]

gege now he cant see

bro gonna be running away from it perma

its so voer

[keen belfry]

porsea gonna be like "hmm no cloud guess i can move now!"

he hasnt read a single patch note

porsea be playing his guitar but not keeping up to date with latest wow changes, boy you worried about the wrong notes

🔥

[novel isle]

They disabled the cloud for others??

[vivid vessel]

wang

[frozen quest]

How fun would it be that if u fartcloud it’s Like a real smokebomb and casters cant cast inside Players

[vivid vessel]

watch casual comp

[keen belfry]

as of last night basically yes

what do they do

[vivid vessel]

this guy cant do it

he will always go to the dark side

he could be doing real phys comp

but he has to play with a caster

elem udk

outlaw

[keen belfry]

also zac i was told my fart cloud was the reason my arms warrior lost to me by 40k in my pit, thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

bear tank

mistweaver

[vivid vessel]

your arms is washed up

look at faro

faro legit doing 250k overall every key

[keen belfry]

we bricked a 20 pit the warrior did 180k

and blamed my fart cloud

unironically

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

so i said hes a fart warrior, and he presses colossal shit instead of colossal smash

thoughts?

[frozen quest]

What’s the Overall aim on outlaw in +16 and higher keys

[keen belfry]

he didnt like that...

[keen belfry]

overall is based on a lot of things, especially route and other ppls dps but you can basically do like 160k in blaster dungeons just by playing good

[vivid vessel]

I think outlaw should top overall in shitter keys

[keen belfry]

yes

[jolly geyser]

avoid dying thou

[compact wigeon]

cant die on rogue

[jolly geyser]

[outer meteor]

we bricked 20 pit because tank parad the cadaver outside of 1st boss and it broke after a min and casted netherburst outside the arena

and we all died

[jolly geyser]

what mobs hit the hardest? I havent paid attention

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel why is casual at 225k in a nexus point

what did they do

[vivid vessel]

Idk I haven't done a nexus in 3 weeks

[keen belfry]

they are doing something

[outer meteor]

in what keys do u need to take gouge for blind tech for funnel

ws and nexus?

need to setup a talent reminder thingy

[keen belfry]

i aint ever taken gouge

[vivid vessel]

idk i did 210 earlier in lfg

i think with team keys

i do damage

no

seems reasonable

[compact wigeon]

he is only only 2.14 overall

214

[keen belfry]

i dont think im doing 210k in a nexus point

with perfect play

[vivid vessel]

what

why not

[raven wyvern]

you can not upgrade weapons yet?

[compact wigeon]

u should no?

i do 190k and im bad

[keen belfry]

maybe i dont know how u pull ur place zac

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think we go 21 nexus

i do 210 at least

[keen belfry]

@ me when u get it

[unkempt dew]

Come and get your foodbuff

[compact wigeon]

casual just bricked a +21 nexus with 0.07 sec

damn

[keen belfry]

i havent done a nxp since our buffs

they timed it

[earnest sphinx]

zac where stream bro wtf

[vivid vessel]

they timed

[compact wigeon]

they did?

[vivid vessel]

20h

in 40min

[compact wigeon]

it says over time

[earnest sphinx]

👍

[vivid vessel]

its under time

[keen belfry]

ok he did 205 maybe ij ust didnt look at what my overall was going to last boss

[compact wigeon]

crazy

[sonic gust]

they got io for it

[vivid vessel]

ye right

i mean its high

but its a high key with good route and good players

[keen belfry]

yes

[vivid vessel]

you do the same

dw

[compact wigeon]

160k dmg is more than enough to time +17's, right?

[keen belfry]

depends on key but yes

[compact wigeon]

ye ofc

[outer meteor]

idk what i should spend my 3 coins on

[compact wigeon]

i mean dungeons like nexus and pit

[outer meteor]

now that they got refunded

[craggy barn]

yes

[keen belfry]

17 timers are free except AA, but even on 17 if u just play good u win

[craggy barn]

more pit

[outer meteor]

i did 210k on a 18 pit ydya

and im pretty bad

[vivid vessel]

prolly free with the new tech tbh

[compact wigeon]

ive never done over 200k yet

[keen belfry]

i thin kso too

[compact wigeon]

havent played over +16 yet tho

[craggy barn]

theres new tech?

[keen belfry]

like its legit +4 minutes or something right

[vivid vessel]

sorry private tech

cant share zomb

[craggy barn]

damn

[vivid vessel]

its very secret !

[earnest sphinx]

[craggy barn]

rip me then

[compact wigeon]

tech is kill boss

[craggy barn]

im already playing bad

[compact wigeon]

probably

[craggy barn]

now i dont get new tech

what da helly

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry what u doing with ur refunded coins cuh

[craggy barn]

giga nooba zomb here

[keen belfry]

i mjust gonna send on chimmy again lil bro

its chimmy until gaze

[outer meteor]

but then u have extra no?

[keen belfry]

nope

[outer meteor]

u can only spend once per week

[craggy barn]

just get it in ur vault nooba

[outer meteor]

or

[keen belfry]

cuz technically its just a reset

[compact wigeon]

when you guys get gaze, do you just use your rerolls on pit after?

[keen belfry]

so next week i might get chest again

[vivid vessel]

@craggy barn

[compact wigeon]

if u havent killed windrunner on myythic yet ofc

for bis weap

[outer meteor]

yea what i mean is u always reserve 2 for chim until gaze

and u get 2 per week

so u have 2 extra

no?

[craggy barn]

holy

[keen belfry]

i have no use to send them on anything

i have no crests

[outer meteor]

i might just send on pit

even without crests

idk

[inland meteor]

send it pit is home

[keen belfry]

idk about pit for me

onmly ring i would take i think

i could do skyreach

[outer meteor]

like any piece from pit

its a upgrade

for me

[compact wigeon]

what the fuck i s this

do u normal first pull too with the miniboss?

[vivid vessel]

New first pull

You seen it here first

[compact wigeon]

there is no way

[keen belfry]

ur not bringing that to lashers zac

[compact wigeon]

the tank lives that no?

[keen belfry]

no way

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

tank it with boss ez

[vivid vessel]

Wait true

[craggy barn]

giga free with boss

[outer meteor]

i saw someone do that with ravagers

i think it was wox

[keen belfry]

thats the pull

whatevert zac saying rn

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[keen belfry]

dont lsiten zac

ravagers + miniboss is doable

[craggy barn]

pull with boss ez

[vivid vessel]

Idk zomb is onto something what if you do it with boss

Not even capping

[keen belfry]

doesnt that miniboss hurt?

imaginebad overlap with adds and miniboss

tank dead

and u already wanan turn off BF for funnel on first boss

now u cant

[vivid vessel]

Idk my tank ain't a bitch bro

[keen belfry]

yeah but you are

[vivid vessel]

Ye but I'm not the one tanking am I

[craggy barn]

2 target cleave whole fight for war

[keen belfry]

true

[outer meteor]

let the tank figure it out!

[keen belfry]

war needs 3

2 target dont mean SHIT!

[craggy barn]

2>1

[keen belfry]

nuh uh!

[craggy barn]

if u kill with first boss u can go 2nd boss platform right away

[arctic hollow]

I mean, the instant i get the confirmation that it's the case I roll on chimaerus, cause I have all three other loot lol. But by rule of not cool my hopes aren't up

[craggy barn]

first boss ez tank wont die

[keen belfry]

but if u kill with ravager pack u can go 2nd boss platform right away

its same

u go vexamus and lust all adds + ravager with this route

giga time save

[craggy barn]

either way old tricks snapping us back baby

we are useful again

mdi rog tricks stay winning

[brisk tusk]

You can hover the roll and it will tell you whats in yhe loot pool

[outer meteor]

i gotta try that route with my tank

seems alot faster

[keen belfry]

i havent done it yet

but squish team timed a 20 with 7 deaths

while zacs team needs perfect run basically

its insane time save

im not flaming ur team zac dw

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel noobs win again

[keen belfry]

guidon!

[outer meteor]

@vivid vessel are u still doing that tech in ws where u para and blind mob for war funnel

now that we have aoe blind

[keen belfry]

i really some haste rinket to be bis

[random stirrup]

no alleria trinket no plume

gg

[keen belfry]

just for energy stuff

[worldly shale]

got the refund XD

POGGIES

[keen belfry]

same are we cooked?

[random stirrup]

i straight up refuse

i will not do this

[outer meteor]

just get a hero prism

its same shit

[keen belfry]

these items are so pretty next top eachother no cap

gold + black

[random stirrup]

i will play mythic guidon

[keen belfry]

looks nasty

[random stirrup]

giga haste

[outer meteor]

oh hell nah

[random stirrup]

it will give me energy back

saved

[outer meteor]

these do not look good

useless ass trinket

[keen belfry]

ye tahts ugly

[strong cargo]

Monk para and job done ?

[keen belfry]

ugly as heart

[outer meteor]

dw

[worldly shale]

did they refund the vault olne too????

sick

[outer meteor]

i will form a 20 man group on heroic chim

where noone needs the trink

and will get it

!

[vivid vessel]

I don't play AOE blind anyway

It's bad and useless

[lucid sparrow]

wat do u do instead of aoe blind

how is it bad exactly

[vivid vessel]

Gouge

[lucid sparrow]

u know its pve mobs right

not pvp

[buoyant cosmos]

Jar of farts for fart cloud spec

[keen belfry]

i take aoe blind cuz idont want to tab target certain mobs to blind

[lucid sparrow]

same

[worldly shale]

same

[arctic hollow]

`Thanks it didn't know I'll look out on reclean

[outer meteor]

i ll just not take aoe blind on dungeons i need for tech

i think its just ws and nexus

could be wrong tho

[vivid vessel]

I have the macro

[lucid sparrow]

this ape takes gouge which also breaks on damage + fills a slot on ur bar for no reason

[vivid vessel]

So I'm basically

It's like they were AOE

[craggy barn]

gives a cp for a gcd tho

[vivid vessel]

And with gouge kidney kick blind you can legit solo a pack

[craggy barn]

u get to stop plus gain a cp ez

[vivid vessel]

It's ok

You guys do low keys

I wouldn't expect you to understand

Noobs !

[lucid sparrow]

wouldnt play gouge in the keys ur doing either

baguette bastard

[outer meteor]

thats a low blow

[vivid vessel]

That's why you ain't in the keys

Get owned

[lucid sparrow]

sigh

pick gouge get invited !

[craggy barn]

is casual playing law now

[wooden escarp]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid sparrow]

banter

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1-67-6-7-tyler-gif-1445330909486008551

[keen belfry]

u wat

[quiet ore]

fun bug

[lucid sparrow]

u know whats a fun bug

[proven ocean]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFKAkF3XkAAdJ4g.webp

[jovial glade]

hello guys, there's a macro for prepull on raid?

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[lucid sparrow]

if u get knocked up by the bird in maisara caverns when it charges and then use ur grapple hook down

u will get logged out

[surreal scroll]

Gaymers any Audacity/HO build for keys that doesn't feel like sitting on a cuck chair for 32 mins?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel new banger

It features you getting exploded

A pig*

typo

[surreal scroll]

Also is outlaw ping dependent? Kinda travelling rn so ping floats between 180-200. At home ping is around 120

[proven ocean]

120 is more than enough, 180-200 is hard but u can play it perfectly without missing a single gcd

We’ve done it with 250-300 ms

So 180-200 is perfectly fine

[surreal scroll]

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[obsidian walrus]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[livid sand]

How do I get a little "cross" where my character is, to help me identify where im standing? 😄

[novel isle]

2x damage

[wide flare]

do we enable BF outside of AR in fights with 2-3 bosses? feels like it costs way too much atm and I have no energy if trying to maintain BF in those boss fights

[novel isle]

We always maintain BF buff at 2/3 targets and then use on cooldown in 4+

if you dont use BF your ONLY doing ST damage

[violet topaz]

any keybind recomendation sheets?

[novel isle]

use caps lock so your team never know if you are angry or not

[violet topaz]

honestly thats good roleplay