bad rng seed, contact blizz cs to reset
#outlaw
latent oak
safe birch
I have the luxthos ui for unholy. Can you recommend it for rogue as well?
glass mortar
u know how wacky law gets this expac on the short run
keen belfry
yeah ive been telling people its not a 14% buff
glass mortar
u logging ur m+?
can u check ur 3 stack fazed uptime compared to sims
that sound rlly annoying to check ngl
cinder relic
Buff energy!
safe birch
Is Outlaw More bursty or Overall consistent damage ?
glass mortar
unique fulcrum
yea i swear its the same dmg as last week
glass mortar
guy with another banger
glass mortar
Is Outlaw More bursty or Overall consistent damage ?
consistent
inner yacht
fatebound literally does nothing idk how we came to its good design. like trickster has bad energy but fatebound is just numbers in the background and close to 0 gameplay changes
glass mortar
trickster is less gameplay then fatebound tho
fatebound at least has 1 CP SS optimization
tricksters builder rules are basically nonexistent
safe birch
Unholy is hitting with a wet noodle and then becoming a tactical nuke
glass mortar
the most barebones we've had in a decade
ocean imp
trickster fucking sucks that's whats up
Me about 1 hour ago : Ok last time I tried Outlaw in TWW S3, for the 3rd time in a row, Outlaw had great design but sucked in m+ for plenty of reasons + isn't meta, let's try him again
glass mortar
the order u press ur buttons in doesnt even matter half the time for builders as trickster
its a joke
ocean imp
Blade Rush is now a high prio CD 
jagged plover
doesnt even need to be vanish to appease all the stealth haters
ocean imp
Underhanded Upperhand gone
jagged plover
just something that works like it did
ocean imp
Crackshot gone
serene cosmos
I was wondering, why put Deft Maneuvers in the ST build?
keen belfry
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mzNnXB4blsaS4jd2o?invite=cr-MSxKUmIsNDU1MDEwMw&v=60 geninuinely tis seems bugged right?
glass mortar
its a shame we dont have any similar cd length abilities they could give 2 charges to and a defined reason to exist in the outlaw rotation
killing spree
unique fulcrum
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mzNnXB4blsaS4jd2o?invite=cr-MSxKU...
how the FUCK is ur dmg so low there
inner stump
same
unique fulcrum
that is concerning
ocean imp
The yellow class
ocean imp
The pirate spec
keen belfry
but i literally shoudlve done 2x my dmg there
glass mortar
i mean
glass mortar
did u check ur crit rate
buoyant cosmos
Do you think they broke the fazed blade debuff crit with the hotfixes?
glass mortar
yea
unique fulcrum
just give outlaw perma tricks baseline and ill switch to fatebound at this point
glass mortar
33% average bte crit rate
random stirrup
33% bte crit 
vivid vessel
instant poison
glass mortar
nice try
buoyant cosmos
u gotta crit if u wanna do damage as this spec awang
He was stacking mastery
keen belfry
thats a bug right?
buoyant cosmos
new tech
vivid vessel
instant poison is first ?
keen belfry
or what
vivid vessel
we playing same video game or what
keen belfry
i mean something had to have happened right?
glass mortar
i mean
check ur old logs last week
compare average bte damage and factor in crit rate
🤷
unique fulcrum
guys, back to fatebound, im telling you
glass mortar
if somethings bugged shuld be able to see it
inner stump
cant stop rolling noe of a kind
I got this bug as well
karmic gust
guys, back to fatebound, im telling you
nah tried and it really does less dmg
arctic merlin
anything that's not ar is one of a kind
vivid vessel
how can i be under 50 energy legit whole dungeon
unique fulcrum
cant stop rolling noe of a kind
YES SAME
karmic gust
but for some reason i never have bte resets with AR on trickster am i unlucky or what
olive swallow
!opener
inner stump
the 20% increased chance is actually for one of a kind
unique fulcrum
I SWEAR 90% of my rolls are the one buff roll
karmic gust
skill issue cuh
inner stump
not for overall rolls
sinful dagger
I am back to fate after first m+ with Trickster 🤘
keen belfry
@vivid vessel research that log
glass mortar
i mean idk seems realistic to me
ive done that same pull and had pulls with 6 ace in a row and done 200k dps
glass mortar
had pulls with normal ace rng and done 550k
trickster highest variance in the game
short run variance is absurd
what do u want me to say
keen belfry
if i turned off details, i wouldve guessed i ended that pull at 550k
karmic gust
who plays sub it's so ass to play
glass mortar
u got under ur basic critrate on bte which is hilariously bad rng when u factor in zero in
vivid vessel
he got good rolls
keen belfry
i literally hover my details and look if my bf isnt working
glass mortar
i mean he literally got half the bte crit rate he should have no?
keen belfry
mid pull
keen belfry
im legit doing half to a third
keen belfry
something had ot have bugged there
vivid vessel
crit rate on bte
glass mortar
??? wdym wdym crit rate on bte
bte does pissman damage if it doesnt crit
we have always known this
doing under ur basic crit rate on gear crit rate on bte with zero in existing is insane bad rng
glass mortar
maybe not enough to lead to this much less damage? idk?
vivid vessel
ON THAT PULL
glass mortar
prove it bozo
keen belfry
ive hit 700k on that pull weran
with simliar procs
and rolls
something is going on there
and i played pretty good, only thing mid was not major resetting BR
craggy barn
quick awang
keen belfry
that wont equal 1/3rd dps thoi
glass mortar
i think ur just underestimating the low rolls trickster can do pure damage wise but its ur log find what was wrong with the numbers
🤷
lean shadow
so are switching to sleight of hand for both st and aoe or just aoe
unique fulcrum
there is no way u can roll that low so ur instant poison is 3rd in dmg
vivid vessel
wahts wrong is that
the aoe buff
was close to 20$%
i simmed it
19% for me
19 %
im not doing 19% more aoe
@gaunt phoenix is fazed not working with bf
frail veldt
Sup gang what are we complaining about today?
buoyant cosmos
Sup gang what are we complaining about today?
awang broke fazed
keen belfry
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FVWf4y62pqbDgc1A?fight=2&type=damage-done&pull=1
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mzNnXB4blsaS4jd2o?invite=cr-MSxKUmIsNDU1MDEwMw&v=60
arctic merlin
going out of the dung so i can change to fate 🥀
dim parrot
Almost like u started doing good damage again after casting ur last killing spree
Idk
summer nimbus
Is it worth it waiting 5 seconds before doing ur second AR from prep so u get maximum cloud cover uptime?
dim parrot
That’s a good question
dim parrot
I think sending AR back to back is good in m+ so u get better use
vivid vessel
it doesnt cleave like it should
or
im confused
if i have fazed on target and fazed on other targets
i should hjave to do any math rigfht
its just
damage i see on main target x bf
right
craggy barn
that should be ez to test on dummies right
arctic merlin
i just did more in single target with fb than in a pack with trick
didn't roll a single one of a kind without loaded dice
either im insanely unlucky
or trick just fucked me over for 2/3 of the dungeon
keen belfry
like guys i went ARE BTE BTE BTE and was at 200k
craggy barn
maybe game code is so jank its not letting bf hits do more damage on secondary targets with fazed
worldly compass
Ye checking my damage after I thought I just popped off and it’s not making sense
craggy barn
bc the bf damage being cleaved is already fazed
keen belfry
happened hour ago
dim parrot
Wtf
buoyant cosmos
happened hour ago
Were you doing keys late last night?
keen belfry
uhhh i think i did one
glass mortar
like guys i went ARE BTE BTE BTE and was at 200k
All 3 of those btes hit for like 80k awang
Idk u do the math
Non crit bte is piss
livid pewter
god bless im not the only one feeling weird about the actual dps output lmao
glass mortar
Maybe damage Calc for all spells is off with fazed tho
dim parrot
Who do we call for answers
twilit axle
Who do we call for answers
Ghostbusters
dim parrot
Where solo
vivid vessel
doesnt work
buoyant cosmos
uhhh i think i did one
Im wondering if something in the hotfixes pushed yesterday / around 8 AM today did something then
vivid vessel
its not cleaving
jolly geyser
is fatebound fine?
pliant wave
How the hell have they still not fixed this insane Fazed bug since TWW?
keen belfry
i mean im holding 270k on 5 target dummies rn, no consume really?? idk maybe just bugged once?
not confirmed a bug yet
glass mortar
Like it's not applying in cleave or not applying to bf cleave damage
keen belfry
but that pull felt bugged af
glass mortar
Zac
dim parrot
Idt it’s just that pull Awang
buoyant cosmos
is fatebound fine?
It doesn't have fazed, so unless it's blade flurry it should be the same
dim parrot
Numbers seem kinda low for people
pliant wave
@vivid vessel Is Solo looking into this bug?
vivid vessel
he is sleeping
keen belfry
i sent solo the log
gaunt palm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FVWf4y62pqbDgc1A?fight=2&type=damage-done&p...
Your BTE crit vs normal hit dmg and u only crit 30%, just unlucky no bug 
keen belfry
i still dont htink thats explaining doing half dps
lucid sparrow
<@352916297262301194> Is Solo looking into this bug?
what bug
vivid vessel
and its wrong
glass mortar
So 8% less damage amp
livid pewter
even with fatebound i peaked 400-500k first pulls... and now i feel like i hardstuck 200k, and every 5th dungeon i do 400k or smth
keen belfry
<@185854083964469249> bf is 36%
bf is like 45% with flawless up
vivid vessel
Unseen blade and main gauche BF look good but pistol shot no bueno
thats true
idk why unseen blade is cleaving properly
but not ps
glass mortar
The pistol shot crit
keen belfry
36 + (36*.25)
vivid vessel
nokira crit
dim parrot
Crits bugged maybe
random stirrup
The bonus crit amp to builder damage isn't bfing
it doesnt
vivid vessel
hm
pliant wave
Is the way Fazed and BF are calculated that the Fazed amped ST damage gets cleaved through BF, or does the BF cleave use the non-amped ST damage first and then deal extra damage to Fazed targets separately?
random stirrup
well it doesnt nimble i know that for sure
frozen quest
we bugged again xd
vivid vessel
ok then i press another button
glass mortar
Yeye
vivid vessel
like what
random stirrup
surprising strikes does not nimble at all
glass mortar
Try all the buttons
vivid vessel
fuck this shit bro
rare pebble
is there a tracker for Roll the bones like what you roll by chance
jolly geyser
we bugged again xd
more bugged
rare pebble
anyone know of one i can get to keep track of my stuff
rare pebble
im not seeing it
dim parrot
Check BTE
buoyant cosmos
im not seeing it
you add it
vivid vessel
idk bte is fine i guess
buoyant cosmos
drag the buff up to the tracked section
rare pebble
no like its not on here like Jackpot or 2 of a kind or anything
i just see one of a kind
glass mortar
It's just called roll the bones
silver venture
im not seeing it
Cd mamager>advanced cd settings and then pick if u want it displayed as a box or as a bar
glass mortar
They are all the same buff
vivid vessel
our builders dont do damage tho so
idc
there is something else going on
im sure of it
glass mortar
Ps does substantial damage for trickster
dim parrot
That’s what I think too
vivid vessel
Ps does substantial damage for trickster
but my sim is 20% ahead
of the one from last week
how am i doing same overalls bro
dim parrot
What about your log for that skyreach Zac
random stirrup
did surprising strikes ever cleave for outlaw though?
like before the fazed change
proven ocean
how am i doing same overalls bro
Have u ever considered that ur playing like noob
Or
random stirrup
it's never cleaved for sub
vivid vessel
did surprising strikes ever cleave for outlaw though?
prolly not
nothing works
so
crit builder thing doesnt cleave
bf isnt working with all the builder things
random stirrup
i wonder if that was in the sims
random stirrup
ye
vivid vessel
when we did the wowhead article
NOTHING WORKS
that was the title
fazed didnt cleave back then btw
random stirrup
so the 20% gain should be in spite of surprising then
vivid vessel
true story
random stirrup
right
inland acorn
Well not much has changed since then
pliant wave
It really sucks not being able to enjoy the game properly because of a bug.
random stirrup
i think u just giga lowrolled lil gup
winter falcon
God my damage is atrocious on outlaw
dim parrot
Idk I think damage should be higher rn
unkempt dew
So we are going back to fatebound?
winter falcon
im screwing something up badly
fresh ingot
should i be sending blade rush/between the eyes while the pull is gathering (for like longer distance gathers) or do i keep everything for when they're grouped?
keen belfry
Idk I think damage should be higher rn
i swear its not possible to low roll that low
cinder relic
It really sucks not being able to enjoy the game properly because of a bug.
Ignorance is bliss
keen belfry
i did tank dmg with good play and good rolls and resets
and it was what, 8 target pull/
dim parrot
Good rolls = good rng
keen belfry
instant poison #3 in dmg
torn lichen
pliant wave
I was definitely expecting that 13% buff when I went into keys, but my overall damage hasn’t changed at all. I even gained 3 ilvls too
vivid vessel
brother
you gained
19%
aoe
sim
damage
there is no way
we should be questionning
dim parrot
That’s what I’m sayin
vivid vessel
if we are doing 19% more damage
fair charm
Oh I feel it. A lot lol.
vivid vessel
19% is such a massive number
torn lichen
Watch the target dummies triggering a different interaction than in an instance.
summer nimbus
How much loss is accounted for by ar cloud cover bug
random stirrup
if we are doing 19% more damage
i wonder how many ppl are walking out of the smoke cloud early
livid pewter
well last time i simmed it was ~132k for Dslice, now its supposed to be 165k and im doin legit only 10k more
dim parrot
i wonder how many ppl are walking out of the smoke cloud early
Zac isn’t tho lol
vivid vessel
this is pre reset
pliant wave
I’m on KR so our maintenance was later, and I was watching the stream. it felt really weird seeing Zac not able to beat Faraover.
jagged plover
my goat is washed?
vivid vessel
idk my sim gained 14% st and 19% aoe bro
dim parrot
With a key log
vivid vessel
like
dim parrot
and see where the discrepancy is
keen belfry
i wonder how many ppl are walking out of the smoke cloud early
even if u dont play smoke perfectly, u still get 70% uptime without even trying basically
dim parrot
Know what I mean
jagged plover
is the majority of the gain from fazed 3 stack the crit damage on builders?
inner stump
that 19% went to brewmaster bro
livid pewter
ST feels way stronger ngl, but aoe feels like we do less now kekw
dim parrot
Run a 5 targ sim
Then hit dummies
See difference
Maybe easier than comparing a key log
arctic merlin
idk my sim gained 14% st and 19% aoe bro
is that the sim or actually in game
vivid vessel
the sim
arctic merlin
and in game?
pliant wave
It’s definitely clear there’s some kind of BF/Fazed bug involved.
vivid vessel
19% aoe is such a massive number
arctic merlin
20 is an insane number
vivid vessel
i should be flying
inner stump
I might be shit as trickster, but I just tested both builds on dummy and did similar dmg, but fatebound was easier to keep energy up
dim parrot
I think it has to do with the crit effectiveness increase tbh
fresh ingot
i feel like i do 20% more on the first lust pull where i have everything, but then overall seems to be more or less the same
vivid vessel
imma eat something then i will hit dummies i think
livid pewter
and wtf is happening, if i place feast or campfire in silvermoon it insta disappears since ysterday
gaunt palm
Think u are right about pistol shot zac
vivid vessel
Think u are right about pistol shot zac
nah its
the crit thing
doesnt cleave
its whatever
gaunt palm
ah
gaunt palm
both these are crits
craggy barn
which crit thing?
dim parrot
Or
vivid vessel
dim parrot
Hear me out
craggy barn
ah
dim parrot
Cloud cover doesn’t work as intended
pliant wave
Maybe we should just sleep and wait for Solo to wake up
craggy barn
well at least raid damage is noticeably higher right
mellow thicket
hearing rumors that the void rituals are providing mythic slots? is there anything good from delve, ritual loot?
craggy barn
it doesnt
dim parrot
Can u check fazed stacks on BF mobs during cloud cover
gaunt palm
I asked chatgpt. Why is there 20% difference between bladeflurry when target are fazed vs not tho
vivid vessel
craggy barn
max reward is this for rituals
vivid vessel
its tracked on plates
dim parrot
Ok
mellow thicket
saw a post on reddit
dim parrot
So surprising strikes prolly then
craggy barn
it used to read 272
mellow thicket
ah
turbid robin
Can anyone give me the rotaion for aoe and single?
cinder relic
wowhead, faq
dim parrot
Outlaw faq in the disc channels
mellow thicket
Can anyone give me the rotaion for aoe and single?
is there something you think youre doing wrong?
turbid robin
is there something you think youre doing wrong?
I feel no damage i am doing
All wrong i guess
cinder relic
this is after reset
I havent been keeping up with the convo, but isn't the arms also dealing less damage, despite getting buffed
vivid vessel
I havent been keeping up with the convo, but isn't the arms also dealing less da...
Amrs is bugged atm
Idk what is specifically
cinder relic
vivid vessel
Xd
livid pewter
i mean, numbing poison also shows on bosses nameplate, but doesnt do shid - so how bout fazed is just coded the same way, just fancy icon which doesnt do shid
cinder relic
What
buoyant stratus
But it's only 15%
Is this the same thing that happened to hpal?
hoary kite
Is there a BiS list for M+ (excluding raid loot)?
vivid vessel
Is this the same thing that happened to hpal?
What happened to hpap
cinder relic
Is there a BiS list for M+ (excluding raid loot)?
Nope
hoary kite
Dang 🙁
cinder relic
Pit of saron is full of good loot tho
shy breach
any1 got some beginner tips for outlaw
cinder relic
p sure yeah
tough trellis
any1 got some beginner tips for outlaw
step 1. press N
step 2. click sub
buoyant cosmos
any1 got some beginner tips for outlaw
Get good at complaining
tough trellis
fr though just spend ur spenders at 5+ cp
near rock
this potion man 
buoyant cosmos
fr though just spend ur spenders at 5+ cp
no
If he's playing trickster its 6+
fatebound is 5 for dispatch
livid pewter
fatebound is 5 for dispatch
no, for trickster its 6+, except KS u can send with 5 cp
and fatebound its 5+ for dispatch, 6+ for bte
random stirrup
this potion man <:OMEGALUL:719677176932335646>
U are insane for playing this
Psycho!
near rock
look man sometimes u get no void zone spawns
and its like u just got 100 main stat for free
torn lichen
That potion + cloud cover.
fair ice
Do the void zones affect allies at all
near rock
and then sometimes xal'atath herself decides to rub her feet all over the floor
native tinsel
any1 got some beginner tips for outlaw
unironically: play at lot, read the faq and guide 10 times if needed and practice
near rock
Do the void zones affect allies at all
no
native tinsel
If you can get someone to help you read logs, it would be nice. But I myself do not know how to read outlaw logs properly so I could not even point where to look
Besides looking if you are building to 6 and spending or not
crude anchor
If you can get someone to help you read logs, it would be nice. But I myself do ...
Outlaw logs in general are p hard to look at
Its one of the few classes where watching the gameplay back is far easier to figure out whats going on
Which is kinda sleeper cuz reee my computer sux
craggy barn
just get a camera and point it at ur screen like it was 2006
crude anchor
real
native tinsel
dumb mistakes will be made and to make you feel more comfortable: I had no idea we should prep during the first AR if BTE did not proc
I thought we should wait for AR to end before using prep
Ask questions as well, the same people that are here now might not be the same later and someone can help you
glass quartz
fresh rogue should i bonus roll for weapon from m+?
tough trellis
I thought we should wait for AR to end before using prep
i always send prep even while in AR if both my bte and blade rush are on cd
but i could be wrong
craggy barn
id bonus roll for a weapon and if didnt get one just craft a sword
native tinsel
someone else can confirm
craggy barn
or craft sowrd and bonus roll trinkets or pit
glass quartz
pit for ring?
cinder relic
fresh rogue should i bonus roll for weapon from m+?
Craft weapon, spend bonus rolls in pit of saron
limpid sky
dumb mistakes will be made and to make you feel more comfortable: I had no idea ...
you still prep after spending blade rush + bte even if it doesnt proc (at least i saw zac do that)
cinder relic
Literally, the entire loot table is good there
if you want mythic tier, go to skyreach
2 best dungeons to go for imo
Skyreach has a small loot table but has chest and shoulders
has a decent trinket if you dont intend to raid
glass quartz
isn't crafting dagger with embelish and getting a myth main hand better?
winter falcon
It'd be nice to have a "common mistakes that tank your DPS" section
native tinsel
It'd be nice to have a "common mistakes that tank your DPS" section
We do
winter falcon
well damn
magic shuttle
I'm a fan of the skyreach approach
cinder relic
isn't crafting dagger with embelish and getting a myth main hand better?
Yes but you cant guarentee a weapon to drop
magic shuttle
Myth track trinket is the jackpot
buoyant cosmos
saw someone extra rolling on chimaerus HC today
people are coining in delves
native tinsel
cinder relic
lol
glass quartz
i'll craft weapon then and roll pit ig
magic shuttle
Also you can get a main hand weapon from them, it's haste mastery but myth track nevertheless
cinder relic
Crafted weapon is worse than a real weapon but u cant really guarentee it
craggy barn
craft weapon is good enough
cinder relic
Unless u do like first 3 mythic
cuz saladar drops 1, and 1handed agi is extremely uncontested atm
dim parrot
Or send all ur rolls on nexus this week and next
cinder relic
But bonus rolling to try and hit a weapon is sort of low probability
dim parrot
That’s what I’m doing already burnt 3 kek
native tinsel
did they say when the rolls are coming back or not
dim parrot
But should get next week
glass quartz
wym burnt 3 we only get 2 each week no?
native tinsel
Apparently, DK had his fixes
https://x.com/blizzardcseu_en/status/2047688305399971941
cinder relic
vault can give you +1
glass quartz
oh right
dim parrot
Buy extra with 6 tokens
proven ocean
lol
cedar bone
do you use single target or m+ build on first boss mythic ?
glass quartz
if fresh pull no snd do i go BF SND BR AR RTB?
keen belfry
i was for sure doing more dmg
i did 190k in an AA while turning off BF in certain pull to let funnel
steel oxide
Why aren’t people rolling Skyr each
buoyant cosmos
For trinket?
dim parrot
What pull do u turn BF off
lucid sparrow
@vivid vessel do u perma atro or numbing sometimes
dim parrot
Vex funnel?
dusty blaze
I feeling like there something off too Spoog....10 min 5 Boss patchwork i sim for 260k....but on dummies doing 205k
lucid sparrow
@keen belfry watched pikas vid on outlaw
he pronounced ur name and it cracked me up
keen belfry
What pull do u turn BF off
first boss, single eagle pack, some vex funnel
i have BF up on first boss when adds are alive, and healer add up
keen belfry
<@177964030474977281> watched pikas vid on outlaw
awnawnanwna
dim parrot
Ethical
buoyant cosmos
Apparently they just pushed UHDK stuff
buoyant cosmos
So w're next, gotta be.
dim parrot
Jk
Unholy gonna dodge nerf
Get bug fix
Be broken
Kinda style points for them I guess
buoyant cosmos
twice in a month even
cinder relic
Why aren’t people rolling Skyr each
Skyreach is a decent dungeon to roll if you want tier
But otherwise Pit of saron is sort of better
desert palm
i sended 2 rolls in pit before roll fix
dim parrot
2-3 rolls a week and can finish those dungeon pools fast af
desert palm
gonna roll skyreach next ig
eternal hound
Skyreach is a decent dungeon to roll if you want tier
Also gamba on solar if you have bad trinkets
dim parrot
How puggabke is mythic chim yet
desert palm
yes, but you only get invites with exp
desert palm
feels off limits if u didnt do it yet
cinder relic
so nice having a dev
If you are going to be upset at least like
Do a lil bit of looking more first
frank finch
dusty blaze
sweet
eternal hound
no
craggy barn
guys
eternal hound
fuck your dooming
craggy barn
they asked specifically about shadow blades
its over
we arent getting fixed
they didnt ask about adren rush
!
vivid vessel
If you are going to be upset at least like
they are looking into it for sub gg
never fixed for outlaw
dim parrot
Zac is back
frank finch
imagine
craggy barn
dim parrot
Do some testing for surprising strikes plz
vivid vessel
no !
dim parrot
I’m working
vivid vessel
i will do some keys later
dim parrot
¿
vivid vessel
i will see if damage
sucks
or not !
then after keys
i hit dummies
maybe
maybe not
frank finch
whats the new tinfoil with ss?
vivid vessel
whats the new tinfoil with ss?
new tinfoil is
whatdehelly !
im not doing the damage im supposed to be doing
dim parrot
I jist wanna know if it’s worse today than it was reset day
frank finch
i see tracks for outlaw
dim parrot
That pistol shot crit not getting faze buff is weird
gaunt palm
the crit talkent
no my screenshot earlier was 2 different cases of pistol shot crit. First one with all dummies fazed, second one with no fazed, and it was 20% BF vs 45% BF
vivid vessel
no my screenshot earlier was 2 different cases of pistol shot crit. First one wi...
well ye but the crit talent doesnt cleave
wdym
reef forge
whats a good amount of ST on a dungeon boss?
vivid vessel
i dont remmeber if bf ever could apply it
ks applied fazed in aoe
craggy barn
ah
vivid vessel
was relevant still
gaunt palm
oh ye im dumb nvm
gaunt phoenix
the crit damage is being reversed out by bf even if multiple targets have fazed
i dont see any other issue
i also dont think that's infinite dps loss
normal bf damage seems to check out
inland meteor
how bad is dispatching at 5 for dps loss
inland meteor
oh nice
cinder atlas
wat is the pre key stuff we do now i forgot
glass shard
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
cloud prism
hey quick question, if im bad and dont want to use prep, where would i put that point?
gaunt phoenix
it was like -0.5% last i looked
buoyant stratus
What happened to hpap
The healer damage aura buff they put out at start of xpac got reverted randomly with .5patch
keen belfry
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vivid vessel
it was like -0.5% last i looked
maybe slice is diff idk
it does do some 5cp dispatches, obviously not that many but
ye
buoyant cosmos
it does do some 5cp dispatches, obviously not that many but
simulating human error? or just noise
whole cloak
hi
why do we use slice after AR? can we use bte right after ar?
keen belfry
maybe slice is diff idk
i think BF at 5 is very bad for trickster energy
a lilttle rule ive been trying is avoiding bf at high cps (5+)
vivid vessel
ye i dont bf at high cp
either
sim do it tho
id kits prolly another thing that doesnt matter
maybe it does for trickster
since you are so often at 5
craggy barn
hi
why do we use slice after AR? can we use bte right after ar?
its to use the 2 supercharged combo points on BTE
we used to use dispatch there, but we instead want to use it on BTE now
keen belfry
maybe it does for trickster
i only started trying this for trickster
fatebound i said idc
gaunt phoenix
hi
why do we use slice after AR? can we use bte right after ar?
you need to get slice and dice immediately for dmg/energy/procs
hardcasting slice and dice does not consume supercharger
slice and dice is automatically casted by dispatch, but if you dispatch then you burn supercharger on it instead of bte
craggy barn
where do u get the base profile ur using to sim test
stiff hawk
hey quick question, if im bad and dont want to use prep, where would i put that ...
My guess would be heavy hitter, because there are no real other choices
frank finch
dispatcher?
stiff hawk
If you are skilled in Acro probably yeah
gaunt phoenix
ST - dispatcher
AoE - acro
cedar bone
ST - dispatcher
AoE - acro
what on first boss Void? single or multitarget build?
haughty wigeon
gaunt phoenix
aoe is padding there but its fine
light sapphire
if we have 6 do we press at 5
gaunt phoenix
yes
light sapphire
ty
silent edge
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
sacred herald
Does anyone know if its possible to remove the Opportunity proc thing in the middle of your screen ? It's like right on top of nameplates and basically always there.
cinder relic
Settings > something spell alert opacity
glass mortar
zac im finally home from work... did u fix our bug yet @vivid vessel
surely u and awang ran the numbers on ur logs and found the issue
🥰
lusty grove
pastel cloud
am i doing smt wrong or does single target suck
cinder relic
You are probably doing something wrong
shy sandal
what should i use my rolls on? Skyreach for trink? or something else?
hollow portal
Well, it seems I'll have to keep practicing.
shy sandal
i got both cragted weapons so PoS kinda dont make sense
inland meteor
neck from pit is also pretty good i think
gaunt phoenix
pos still has like 6 other bis items
shy sandal
i also got that on myth tho
dont have wrists so maybe for that but is it worth for wrist only?
oh ring is there too
HMMMMM
inland meteor
i think a belt too? not sure about that one tho
gaunt phoenix
ring neck wrist belt cloak
shy sandal
well damn i guess i will go do 2 quick 10s
gaunt phoenix
wow !
steel oxide
Did anyone get their replaced token yet
lucid sparrow
yep
sacred herald
Settings > something spell alert opacity
Doesnt that disable every blizzard alerts ?
shy sandal
wait is the bug fixed or do i save my rolls
sacred herald
Like including boss warnings and stuff ?
gaunt phoenix
Doesnt that disable every blizzard alerts ?
that's the only one for outlaw
sacred herald
so boss mechanics alerts will still work ?
eternal hound
i just hit 20 stacks of bte
Holy shit I'd make the screen white
craggy barn
spell alert is separate from boss alerts
spell alert is just for player spell procs
that have some spell texture pop ups
craggy barn
a lilttle rule ive been trying is avoiding bf at high cps (5+)
its over!
craggy barn
probably
vivid vessel
that cant be right
craggy barn
idk
paper grove
Opener kinda feels like a waste of a CD no? Since we are basically dropping the smoke cloud at your feet pre pull
craggy barn
i just copied ur sim input and modified it zac
craggy barn
Opener kinda feels like a waste of a CD no? Since we are basically dropping the ...
u delay if u need to for positioning
just how it is
lucid sparrow
Holy shit I'd make the screen white
i did
shy sandal
Did they fix the bonus rolls?
craggy barn
i have no sample data to back up their claim that its fixed
but they made a whole post about it
shy sandal
damn
cinder relic
Doesnt that disable every blizzard alerts ?
thats specifically the spell graphics for procs
glass mortar
this is some noob sim
doesnt BF with deft slap
like the initial damage
bozo u think trickster cares about CP wastage?
fathom bramble
BF hits quite hard
fathom bramble
And hits even harder thanks to 8 chances to trigger mg
glass mortar
mhm
fathom bramble
Imagine if the generator crit damage actually worked on the initial hit of bf
still smelt
you need to get slice and dice immediately for dmg/energy/procs
hardcasting sli...
Isnt snd already up from pre key ritual ?
inland meteor
And hits even harder thanks to 8 chances to trigger mg
mg?
fathom bramble
Main gauche
inland meteor
ah
craggy barn
Isnt snd already up from pre key ritual ?
u dont need to press snd if u already have snd up
fathom bramble
It’s small but it all adds up
gaunt phoenix
Isnt snd already up from pre key ritual ?
yes, in keys if you have snd you dont cast it again
fathom bramble
Define low
craggy barn
idk im testing numbers rn
fathom bramble
that seems like a very very narrow window
since BF can only be cast above 45 anyway
craggy barn
this is using zac's spire dungeon route thing
i can test another number iguess
75
oh u know what im giga stupid
turbid robin
can anyone give me single target build
glass mortar
turbid robin
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1464390389044609166/147825988399...
to old
gaunt phoenix
?!
craggy barn
ok zac peep this
glass mortar
u cant just look at when the posts were made
gaunt phoenix
the smokening
glass mortar
its not like solo is remaking the entire faq everytime a patch comes out
u just edit the messages
tepid star
im kinda confused whats the m+ build now? is wowhead up to date?
some ppl play acrobatics some sleight of hand
tepid star
so wowhead build + change to soh?
gaunt phoenix
yes
tepid star
ty
green star
Anyone have a good UI for rogue ?
vapid blaze
Does outlaw have haste breakpoint like sub? Should I just sim?
gaunt phoenix
not an exact number but you should approach 25% for energy
not LITERALLY 25%
most ppl have like 24
minor thorn
Mastery bad
vapid blaze
Just close. Awesome. Thank you.
vapid blaze
I saw its haste and crit
gaunt phoenix
yea we big on crit
keen belfry
did solo say my log was just bad rng
worldly shale
gaunt phoenix
wdym
glass mortar
i dont know if solo is privey to u guys freaking out earlier
gaunt phoenix
yes, it's the crit damage being reversed out of bf
craggy barn
probably
worldly shale
whats that
Heuss L enfoiré u know this guy zacco
glass mortar
reversed 😰
vapid blaze
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
What addon is this? I need it
worldly shale
i just heard a song from him
lucid sparrow
my first pull windrunner where i did like 280k dps
that seems like bad rng
worldly shale
What addon is this? I need it
wa
worldly shale
What addon is this? I need it
keen belfry
instant poison was my #3 dps
keen belfry
that seems like bad rng
thoughts?
thick valve
When exactly should I use Preparation? right after the adrenaline rush wears off?
glass mortar
its crazy to me u guys havent experienced this idk
inner sky
You play outlaw dog lol
keen belfry
like this is good play
glass mortar
ive had the same pulls on first pull pit vary from 200k dps to 700k dps
all with decent procs and 3 buff and resets
keen belfry
i have never done that low ever
glass mortar
and it was just crit variance and random damage stacks variance
well i have 10 ilvl less then u
dont use my exact numbers
im just showing the range i expect
gaunt phoenix
When exactly should I use Preparation? right after the adrenaline rush wears off...
no, you use it during the first AR, when your first BtE stops resetting, so you can bte again
you still dont re-cast AR until the first AR runs out
keen belfry
i can perma 2 roll and its still 400k+
fossil lintel
Do you have the log for that somewhere?
lucid sparrow
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mzNnXB4blsaS4jd2o?invite=cr-MSxNZ...
theres a bug in there somewhere but i cant prove it
keen belfry
thats what im saying!
keen belfry
Do you have the log for that somewhere?
keen belfry
boom
buoyant stratus
https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mzNnXB4blsaS4jd2o?invite=cr-MSxNZ...
Maybe it has to do with you sending 4 finishers inside the 99% dr bubbles 8)
keen belfry
bteat
stoic wagon
lucid sparrow
u bte'd here
craggy barn
wtf do u have bound to scroll wheel
bte?
i just hear it cranking every now and then
ps?
foggy cove
in a beloren 1 shot are we holding prep and kir for egg phase?
foggy cove
yeah its not looking too hot for me rn
fair ice
u bte'd here
What is that combo point ui 
craggy barn
zac
inner sky
You need some luck
craggy barn
m33k aura shit
gaunt phoenix
cuz they arent crits
fossil lintel
Ah right
fossil lintel
We have huge crit multiplier on bte
glass mortar
ur bte did a 1/3rd the dps
fossil lintel
So yeah you got fucked on crits
glass mortar
thats 1/3rd of ur highest damage source taken away from BF
odd marlin
!fuu
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glass mortar
u realize that u didnt even highroll poison in this log right?
@keen belfry
look at ur normal dps on that pull
instants still doing 19k
it did less in this log
u just got turbo cucked idk
keen belfry
thats just wild cucking
glass mortar
the dps range of outlaw in a short pull has always been very high
trickster is the highest natty variance in the game now
and thats on 5m patchwerk
🙂
keen belfry
i just havent done aynthing like that before
glass mortar
and to be clear, 71% crit rate on ur bte in the normal logs