I think housing is decent, the concept is pretty good
#outlaw
glass mortar
you follow ur builder rules and press the appropriate builder and finish at 6 or 7 CP
so BF in aoe, SS if you arent capped on opp, opp if you are capped
tepid sorrel
kk, feels so clunky compared to last patch
glass mortar
yup
tepid sorrel
i mean xpac
glass mortar
also yup
tepid sorrel
thx
glass mortar
i mean fatebound felt it a bit smoother because it had rules to decrease ur CP wastage like the 1 CP ss rule and finish at 5 for dispatch
latent oak
gz on ur bench should out
glass mortar
but yea it all feels clunkier then last expac for sure
latent oak
for being carried
latent oak
kek
glass mortar
placid ocean
After the first few days of this trickster change I gotta say, I hate playing around this smokebomb
glass mortar
for a shitty type of effect they moved away from 2 expansions ago its well done sure
vivid vessel
with outlaw topping overall
glass mortar
im of the opinion they should just not do effects like this
glass mortar
we dont need more clunk in the game
vivid vessel
fucking boomkin bro !
latent oak
jagged plover
why isnt there a tettles video already
vivid vessel
next one we get video bro dw
latent oak
u had multiple r1s last season right?
vivid vessel
u had multiple r1s last season right?
mostly priory
we had terrible comp last season
but i mean our priory was goated
dense bolt
ok a lil truthnuke, did u guys know tettles last name is tettleton
vivid vessel
we were going left
vivid vessel
while everyone was going right
latent oak
his first name is peyton
glass mortar
wtf so his handle isnt even unique??
he just made it based on his last name????
wow....
vivid vessel
bro if we could play more than 2 nights a week with my gang
we would be blasting fr fr ..
im so sad
dense bolt
ah
paper rivet
peyton tettleton
Bro has a wow char name irl too
dense bolt
what if
latent oak
mr elvis himself
vivid vessel
dense bolt
grim spear
dense bolt
what about tompelvis tho
fervent garden
yeah using your RN as handle is so bad
dense bolt
that guy pumped
latent oak
surprised ur not named zaques or something more french like that
wide coral
your name isnt tom?
fervent garden
of course it is
clear trellis
guys for 17+ keys , assa or outlaw?
jagged plover
call him frere zacques
dense bolt
calling someone by their goverment name goes hard
rik reverb
is actually richard reverbations
jolly geyser
dont look at my 10 other chars
you got Zacussy name?
vivid vessel
yes
i have it
i have this guy also
idk which should be my third rogue next tier
jolly geyser
good names tbf
dense bolt
outlaw gang on fleek cuh sheeesh
vivid vessel
idk why i leveled zacrebleu i forgot
jolly geyser
zacacka
dense bolt
that just sounds like a dookie
vivid vessel
i have this guy also
grim spear
latent oak
ballzac
orchid oracle
zacrebleu, a miracle that wasnt taken already. omega french!
jolly geyser
Zacca
vivid vessel
wtf is zacca
jolly geyser
idk
clever wasp
zaccthis 
jolly geyser
Zacker
latent oak
zacbackandcrack
vivid vessel
guys
unkempt dew
zacelicious
orchid oracle
chatgpt suggests Jean-Zacques Fromage
swift creek
question ... do we not overcap with combo points ;/ like if im full combo points and blade flurry is readdy .. do i send blade flurry in an aoe situation at that point ?? or spend them and then blade flurry ? also ... another question ... do we send finishers on 5 combo points ? or 6 or 7 ?
unkempt dew
Zacrilegious
dense bolt
zacgpt
novel isle
question ... do we not overcap with combo points ;/ like if im full combo points...
if you dont have BF buff on then, 1. you shouldnt be building
2. press BF before anything else
buoyant stratus
question ... do we not overcap with combo points ;/ like if im full combo points...
Unless ur gonna drop bf, finish > bf
unkempt dew
ZigZac
novel isle
if you do have the buff then spend the points first
swift creek
ok thank you
and the next part of the question ?
do we spend on 5 ,6 or 7 ppoints ?
swift creek
like whats the minimum we need to spend ?
glass mortar
5 for kspree, 6 for everything else
swift creek
i notied a mojority of the time when i get refunds on combo points ... it will only build up to 5 ...
swift creek
or when i use my builders it will only build up to 5
glass mortar
yes
swift creek
okay
unkempt dew
Aight aight now we’re getting somewhere
novel isle
do we spend on 5 ,6 or 7 ppoints ?
6+ for all with trickster
unkempt dew
Sadge
orchid oracle
emmanuelzacron
vivid vessel
inland meteor
6+ for all with trickster
except for KS, 5 is ok no
proven ocean
?? No zacross..
proven ocean
Me ross now…
unkempt dew
Zacmes. Means pocket knife in The Netherlands
proven ocean
Copy our pfp guys
Send it again habbekitkat
Damn i want kitkat now
Nvm i dont
unkempt dew
proven ocean
Zacuette
jolly geyser
orchid oracle
zaccousteau
proven ocean
Wtf
novel isle
Zacsmum
orchid oracle
what is happening
proven ocean
Copy ur ramlu
glass mortar
midnight zac vs tww zac
proven ocean
I know u want to
glass mortar
frfr
proven ocean
jolly geyser
cba
past stump
idk which should be my third rogue next tier
ZacChirac
jolly geyser
proven ocean
jolly geyser
Its just a bot
proven ocean
Ye tbat one is bad
slim hare
zacouille
halcyon chasm
unkempt dew
Zacguy
jolly geyser
Zacacaca
unkempt dew
Aaight
halcyon chasm
The law mascot
proven ocean
Zacmyballs
halcyon chasm
Pooh fart cloud
past stump
Zacmyballs
Ballzac
thorn plinth
ballzac was so good
glass mortar
hmm ok
proven ocean
proven ocean
Yea
slim hare
he didnt
proven ocean
I did get a job indeed
jolly geyser
zacrhelvis
vivid vessel
he didnt
slim hare
he just hate wow now
vivid vessel
he is just asking like he got a job
slim hare
he became a mouse player
vivid vessel
in reality he just got washed
slim hare
on osrs
dense bolt
ok ross
thorn plinth
https://tenor.com/view/akira-job-application-get-a-job-akira-job-application-gif-8274337411388777231
dense bolt
what do you do
proven ocean
Idk
jolly geyser
escort
proven ocean
Paper work
dense bolt
bro how many of you have a desk job and just have this channel on your 2nd monitor
admit it
lone surge
how do you know if your next bte is resetting and also when it sets do you charge it up agian before pressing again?
proven ocean
Wish i had 2 monitors
dense bolt
alt + tab going cray cray
past stump
how do you know if your next bte is resetting and also when it sets do you charg...
Random + always spend bte at 6+ cp
mystic stone
trying to get back into outlaw and I'm seeing you just never need to stealth now? and assume we just never press ambush? (PvE)
past stump
trying to get back into outlaw and I'm seeing you just never need to stealth now...
nope never
Can press it as panick button if anything
lament arrow
I hate that the assist highlight (and I assume SBA) wants to use every finisher at 5 cp
fair sun
!sim
mystic stone
I'm in the habit of constantly restealthing and opening with ambush so that's fun
proven ocean
?
past stump
I'm in the habit of constantly restealthing and opening with ambush so that's fu...
Don’t even use ambush
jagged plover
ye just unbind it
mystic stone
is there anything else that i just shouldn't be using?
jagged plover
and vanish u only use for spell targeting or root stuff
jolly geyser
is there anything else that i just shouldn't be using?
drugs
mystic stone
and vanish u only use for spell targeting or root stuff
yea, so no rotation?
fickle urchin
!prekey
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- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
jagged plover
correct
pliant orbit
Why is it actually that it's a DPS increase to go to 6 CP?
mystic stone
thanks for your help : )
swift creek
is there any situations where we will ever use shiv ?
past stump
Why is it actually that it's a DPS increase to go to 6 CP?
More cdr, more dmg
pliant orbit
is there any situations where we will ever use shiv ?
Soothe enraged things
fair sun
is there any situations where we will ever use shiv ?
Only to soothe
swift creek
ok
jagged plover
Why is it actually that it's a DPS increase to go to 6 CP?
it's more that fatebound has incentives to only finish at 5, where trickster doesn't
finishing higher is usually just better
pliant orbit
Aah, fair
lament arrow
You know when you get angry and someone stabs you a little and you aren't angry anymore?
slim dew
can someone teach me how to play outlaw
pliant orbit
I knew that that was how it worked, but I just didn't know why
glass mortar
the outlaw FaQ can
slim dew
i play sub and it just feels so rng
vivid vessel
pliant orbit
Outlaw FAQ + Wowhead guide is pretty good starting point
swift creek
and preperation i we just use when ... its ideal ?
lavish lark
You know when you get angry and someone stabs you a little and you aren't angry ...
Fent covered dagger
glass mortar
if you think sub feels rng....
proven ocean
glass mortar
i got bad news for you....
violet hawk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jpz4mJnbkTGhDqMCfhsueh
hello folks, havent used any bonus rolls yet, what do yall think, still go Pit or maybe Skyreach for Trinket and myth chest?
proven ocean
if you think sub feels rng....
He meant outlaw noob
slim dew
nah i feel like outlaw is compared to sub
proven ocean
Read again
slim dew
all good lol
vivid vessel
no ross
slim dew
ill check the faq thank you
vivid vessel
you read again !
glass mortar
zac thats mean
ross cant read
stop being mean to ross
hes just a lil jobber guy
proven ocean
I got a job so u guys cant read now
wide coral
how the fuck is sub rng
glass mortar
outlaw has substantially more variance then sub as far as im aware
pliant orbit
I think sub has the RNG of crit or no crit
wide coral
cant you just force ancient arts
proven ocean
hes just a lil jobber guy
Bro reads it wrong and is still convinced hes right 
keep on acting stupid bud
pliant orbit
Pretty much
wide coral
oh yeah
jolly geyser
whats reading?
pliant orbit
Oh, and shadow techniques
slim dew
for sub you want to have high mastery to be consistent, used my same items and stats on outlaw but i just feel like a tickle monster no mater what
wide coral
shadowstrike not criting feels bad
pliant orbit
Ye
jagged plover
well outlaw has a haste tax
if you're not meeting that it will feel quite a lot worse
pliant orbit
And when you stand there wanting shadow techniques and it just don't do the proc 
glass mortar
for sub you want to have high mastery to be consistent, used my same items and s...
well mastery is one of outlaws worst stats and idk how much haste sub takes but it might not be enough to get you to the haste outlaw wants
pliant orbit
Haste only 700
glass mortar
so if ur playing outlaw in sub gear ur gunna be hurting ur numbers a bit
vivid vessel
subs plays crit haste
slim dew
ahh i see
vivid vessel
its the same gear
glass mortar
this person said they have alot of mastery so
maybe not updated for the new sub stuff
pliant orbit
Mostly. Sub also likes mastery
vivid vessel
crit = mastery on sub
or
before reset anyway
now crit is just better
so like
pliant orbit
Basically ST sub likes crit/haste , but mastery good. AOE sub like mastery/crit equal
placid ocean
Someone in sub chat was just talking about how all the sub rogues in high keys are full mastery crit
slim dew
it would seem i have been getting far too much mastery either way....
perhaps i should check wowhead more often
pliant orbit
sub in keys
They are just being submissive to outlaw and assa rogue
placid ocean
sub in keys
I might have to switch because outlaw hurts my old hands
jagged plover
it's okay the energy starvation will give you momentary breaks
placid ocean
I rarely feel energy starved as outlaw
slim dew
sub is really just two button rotation its very easy
pliant orbit
But there's pretty good stat desires between sub and outlaw. Crit is better for ST than mastery, but mastery is also super good on sub. So most are also heavy mastery or almost equal split between crit/haste/mast
boreal terrace
Doing a delve world tour what Valeera are yall using?
glass mortar
the one in the tight red outfit
but u just made me think of something, why tf dont we get costumes as unlockables from delves for our companions
i want valeera in the yeti suit wtf
glass mortar
you want another 5% or more haste
wide coral
i want valeera in the yeti suit wtf
glass mortar
can go all the way to 25% as trickster now
gaunt phoenix
Doing a delve world tour what Valeera are yall using?
healer
glass mortar
mastery u wanna drop as much of that as u can into crit and haste
so a little cooked yea
with that haste as the new best build you will suffer noticably energy wise, especially in long sustain situations (like dungeons)
should still be able to do ok numbers with those stats tho its just gunna feel cunky cause of the haste
paper grove
So with Preparation, when we use it within the parameters in the guide do we cast AR right away
glass mortar
no
casting AR while AR is up would waste a significant part of its value
thats in the opener tho, generally speaking when u press prep outside the opener (so ur not in AR), yes
assuming ur not capped on CP or something like that, then you'd finish into AR
boreal terrace
does the cloud cover buff retain from "leaving the smoke cloud" count when the cloud goes away? so you should have the buff up for 20s?
glass mortar
yes
boreal terrace
based i love melee ley lines
placid ocean
Doing a delve world tour what Valeera are yall using?
Healer, then play trickster and give her permanent tricks
boreal terrace
valeera can get a trick from me any day
swift creek
coup de grace priority over blade rush ? or other way around ? also what do i do if the situation pops up where blade flurry needs to be refreshed but adrenaline rush also becomes avilable at the same time ?
orchid oracle
You know when you get angry and someone stabs you a little and you aren't angry ...
my god thats a good one
glass mortar
in aoe if blade flurry has fallen off you cast blade flurry before doing basically anything
gaunt phoenix
blade rush > coup
you bf > dispatch > ar
gaunt phoenix
yes
swift creek
got it
plain stirrup
If i get a bte reset how troll is it to send at 5cp instead of building first feels so much better sending it rather than having to build
swift creek
also coup de grace or blade rush priority or damage ?
glass mortar
blade rush > coup in priority
not sure if ur asking a different question then that now tho
swift creek
okay
no you answered it thanks
hmm so it seems the burst of sub is a little better ... but the consistency is better with outlaw ? basically ?
glass mortar
outlaw has little to no burst
its damage pattern is closer to a line
sub has substantially more yea
tropic zephyr
what no? we're pretty bursty rn
valid hound
did blizz refund voidcores to those that got duplicates?
tropic zephyr
with cloud we're not a line anymore
glass mortar
60% uptime on fart cloud debuff is hard to call burst
was crackshot bursty
this is as bursty as crackshot
actually even more linear then crackshot
its just its high phases are longer and around AR while crackshots was
glass mortar
whenever u shot the crack
swift creek
but our overall ... is like better than sub ? or are we kinda even ?
tropic zephyr
lol with prep we literally have 100% uptime for 30s on 3x Fazed + dam amp of AR
ebon solar
guys im doing more dps on dummies with assa, is this normal lol
glass mortar
in a vacuum outlaw does more then sub i believe
placid ocean
Calling outlaw bursty when the monk in my group is tripling me in burst windows
swift creek
okay
glass mortar
lol with prep we literally have 100% uptime for 30s on 3x Fazed + dam amp of AR
if you have massive uptime on damage amps then its not exactly burst....
unless u think crackshot had burst then i guess u could call this outlaw bursty
swift creek
i think our three target and 2 target cleave is better too righ t?
minor thorn
We're burstier than we were but still not bursty compared to actual bursty specs
tropic zephyr
law is probably in one of its most bursty iteration
swift creek
well im bursting like 500k on my sub rogue
and during my cooldowns with outlaw im getting up to like .... 250k ? but im still learning so im for sure missing buttons lmao
marsh jetty
Is there a difference between daggers and 1h?
gaunt phoenix
for offhand dagger is a bit better for Zero In procs
the weapon dmg/energy is the same
marsh jetty
okok, nice!
minor thorn
Well sub is burstier than outlaw.
marsh jetty
so 1h(main) and dagger(oh)?
gaunt phoenix
yes
minor thorn
Well keep playing it if you enjoy it.
swift creek
i love the between the eyes procs uhh when we get refunded ? or whatever
its fun to sometimes spam it haha
jagged plover
you would have loved old outlaw more
glass mortar
law is probably in one of its most bursty iteration
less then crackshot tho
but sure more bursty then like
idk shadowlands or bfa maybe
tropic zephyr
i don't remember us having that big of a bump
glass mortar
well thats lust and autos
tropic zephyr
this is 5mn st patchwerk
glass mortar
its true we get the most bonus from lust we ever had probably
but look at the rest of the fight
thats the power of ar and cloud cover
not the bump at the start
i mean its a combination at the start obv
but lust is doing some heavy lifting there
minor thorn
And lust?
river wing
i don't remember us having that big of a bump
saddam hussein?!
tropic zephyr
kek
ebon solar
how much dps u guys are doing on 5target dummies
tropic zephyr
yeah, prep + lust gives us a real burst
swift creek
yeah big cloud window
jagged plover
that just extends the "burst" it doesn't make it peak any higher
tropic zephyr
that's what i'm saying
swift creek
or fart cloud as they said haha
swift creek
we are crop dusting the whole party
glass mortar
look at fatebound?
glass mortar
s3 tww outlaw ST profile
look at the gap between crackshots and the outside sustain
swift creek
that looks good
tropic zephyr
yeah we were flat
glass mortar
this... is flat?
snow vessel
also burst isn't just on pull
jagged plover
yep
tropic zephyr
it's bumpy but there's no bump high above the rest
snow vessel
it's how much you spike during CDs
glass mortar
well sure
like i said, lust is big for us now
but like, go look at simcrafts fatebound profile?
its also like 2X the damage of the sustain in the lust opener
it has no cloud cover
thats been a thing with midnight
tropic zephyr
hmm i see what you mean
glass mortar
its just lust
tropic zephyr
it's just lust being big for us in midnight in the end
jagged plover
crackshot also let you kind of hold for a vanish window because vanish charges
no adr charges
glass mortar
lower between ARs but a noticable spike during ARs
jagged plover
it's just worse
glass mortar
not sure its enough for me to call it burst
but we can do the closest we ever could to burst during lust burns ya
as any build tbh
our autos scale crazy with lust now
which directly feeds into bte damage via zero in
its a nice lil feedback loop
tropic zephyr
yeah, I just like that we can actually have "on demand" damage with lust + prep
jagged plover
that's less on demand than crackshot was
glass mortar
but having two back to back major cd uses in openers is quite nice
boomkins and ww have known this for a long time
glass mortar
i definitly wont deny its effective
this is probably the most useful laws been on first pull of a dungeon type stuff in a long time as well
other then when it was literally op in bfa
hollow portal
I wish the ambush build was viable
glass mortar
having prep for the almost always lusted big pull opener makes me feel less like im trolling playing the spec
placid ocean
Is anyone else getting spammed with lua errors, even with zero add-ons active?
formal pawn
for once I feel like we are the least bugged class
tropic zephyr
I wish the ambush build was viable
law was one of the few lucky specs to have had two playstyles being within competitive damage range for a long time, but that wasn't sustainable I guess
glass mortar
Is anyone else getting spammed with lua errors, even with zero add-ons active?
its happened to me before sometimes blizzards own ui just breaks
can try relogging or waiting because ive heard its happened to other people as well
happened to me earlier in the expac
shadow trellis
reloading fixes it for me in dungeons
hollow portal
law was one of the few lucky specs to have had two playstyles being within compe...
I feel like making a build with ambus and seeing how it goes lol
glass mortar
glhf u dont have enough talent points to take the real talents in aoe while trying to be ambush
tropic zephyr
they removed everything that made it good
glass mortar
its a stale leftover of tww outlaw i think they just didnt have time to fully cut out
u can make a ST build thats not too troll tho
swift creek
if blade rush becomes available during crackshot.... do i use blade rush and then continue doing the bte?
glass mortar
we dont have crackshot
glass mortar
did u mean AR?
glass mortar
the refunds dont change anything in ur prio
i know they make ur BtE glow
thats just because blizzards dumb
theres no timer to cast ur next one
so u cast BR
earnest sphinx
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- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
swift creek
okay !
lapis blaze
Hey, guys. I'd like to know if my outlaw stats are in good shape ¿or what would you recommend I change?
tropic zephyr
remember that BR gives you +% dam with 4 set
earnest sphinx
!kir
ornate heathBOT
KIR build compared to 
HO:
- doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
- is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
- has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
- has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
- is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
- needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
- KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)
swift creek
oh okay !
so br is a buff
so thats why its priority
and it does dmaage
i get it
tropic zephyr
so that means if you BtE, BR, BtE, teh second BtE is getting buffed BR
glass mortar
hits hard gives energy and gives a buff
but it doesnt directly compete with ur builders or spenders
because it doesnt build or spend
swift creek
hellll yeah
glass mortar
its a cd you want to cast close to on cd
latent oak
<:kir_rc:1171463237267636234> __**KIR build compared to <:ambush:105096738286208...
@gaunt phoenix maybe delete this command
glass mortar
without tier set theres a minmax around not using it if you will overcap energy, but thats not relevant this season due to tier
so u just wanna slam that cuh on cd
maaaaybe consider holding it a very short amount of time if aoe is imminent
because it does hit very hard in aoe
inner yacht
br is a prio bcs you will reduce its cd
by playing and if u dont use it you dont reduce the cd
cold delta
is outlaw on top for rogue specs now?
glass mortar
😠
all 3 rogue specs r in a decent place now but tuning wise i believe outlaw is the top simming right now
ashen birch
anyone having issues with MSUF, Ayije CDM or m33kauras? My game is freezing on some encounters and laggy on raid boss fights. Not sure if its these addons ive added recently or the new patch
hoary kite
Noob q: When BtE resets, do you just fire again only at 6+ cp or fire immediately?
glass mortar
6+ cp
ashen birch
only at 6+ cp
glass mortar
its funny how we get this question like 20 times an hour now
hoary kite
Lol I imagine
glass mortar
its almost like it intuitively feels like when a thing like this procs and glows, you should slam it
like it was last expac
🙂
jagged plover
no fun allowed
hoary kite
Yeah....
glass mortar
one day theyllrealize
rocky stratus
its 6=+? or 7 combo points always
glass mortar
6+
jagged plover
more than or equal to 6
rocky stratus
okey thx
swift creek
ohhhh killing spree is a channel ..... derp .... i literally may have been interupting it this whole time...
can i move with the channel ?
modest lake
anyone else having issues with like Energy downtime?
tough lagoon
can i move with the channel ?
yuh
swift creek
ohhh snap
past stump
anyone else having issues with like Energy downtime?
Yea you need like 25% haste
rocky stratus
anyone else having issues with like Energy downtime?
yes, it could be the cloud cover with those 30 energy consumption
past stump
Also I personally don’t take 3% vers, helps a bit
modest lake
maybe its time for the Haste pot again
glass mortar
u can go up to like 28% haste in dungeons
modest lake
thought i can use crit pot after like 23% haste
swift creek
im in sub rogue stat priority gear ... does that make a big difference ? i guess mastery really doiesnt do as much for us huh
glass mortar
patchwerk sims dont exactly capture tea charges running out because tea is budgeted well enough to usually last the full 5 minute
modest lake
makes sense
past stump
im in sub rogue stat priority gear ... does that make a big difference ? i guess...
It does yeah
modest lake
then i will try haste pot again
glass mortar
28% haste was simming margin of error dif from crit flask instead for zac so
id definitly go for that in dungeons at least
swift creek
i decided im going to main all three specs becasue i like lal of them
all*
lmao
i can just swap between them for each fight depending on which spec is better
earnest sphinx
bonusrolled heart of the wind and the belt from the pit we are so geared
glass mortar
earnest sphinx
+bis wrists 
river wing
its almost like it intuitively feels like when a thing like this procs and glows...
I legit don't understand why they even changed this
it used to grant 5 CP on its own in TWW, didn't it?
river wing
Have 1 hour tricks, somehow get melee'd by a link pull
tricks fall off whenever a tank mounts up
just a heads-up
glass mortar
it shouldnt thats not a thing ive ever noticed
tricks falling off when tanks mount up
river wing
Deadass?
fr
you can't apply tricks to a mounted target and as far as I've seen, it falls off when they mount up again
mostly seen in AA
lavish lark
Never seen it fall off with mount
glass mortar
its possible it cant redirect aggro while they are mounted but it certainly doesnt fall off
lavish lark
That'd be a new one, but .5 be .5ing
glass mortar
or ive never seen it anyway yea
we woulda noticed this last expac also there was plenty of dungeons with tanks mounting up
proven surge
But it feels like the redirection is not instant anyways
glass mortar
yes the redirection is not always instant
proven surge
There is like a small gap where you aggro the adds
glass mortar
this is why you shouldnt open on boss fights for the tank with tricks
proven surge
I got melee'd to death in 0.1s
glass mortar
mobs can slip a single melee in there before the redirect happens
which for a boss usually means instant death
could also mean instant death for some mobs/large packs if u just decide to open on them with tricks up and the tank hasnt even body aggrod them
lavish lark
To me it's always felt like its cause mobs hit frame 1 in melee range, so if you arent hitting them outside of it (with say fok), your attack and the mobs attack are hitting at the same time so the threat generated isnt applied to that first attack
Never had trouble redirecting with aoe spam outside melee range
glass mortar
yes thats how i read it
when im doing the "hit mobs my tank clearly hasnt established threat on" bit in dungeons i usually try to have my opener damage be BF from beyond melee range so they dont have a chance to instantly swing
then once they r chasing him im just smacking a mob and letting bf cleave redirect aggro from everything else we run into, usually while im out of melee of it anyway
or i just evasion that also works 
stone blaze
you can use dagger as offhand?
serene cosmos
yes
glass mortar
it is in fact, superior and recommended in the guide to use a dagger
it is noticably ahead of slow weapons in the oh, like 30+ ilvl ahead
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of 
Zero In, and also slightly more 
Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.
It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use 
Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.
paper grove
5 min on a training dummy no buffs , very low ilvl(225) pretty much a fresh 90 with 3pc tier. Does this dmg breakdown look decent?
swift creek
may someone please share with me a good addon for rtb buffs?
serene cosmos
5 min on a training dummy no buffs , very low ilvl(225) pretty much a fresh 90 w...
seems good yes
serene cosmos
may someone please share with me a good addon for rtb buffs?
you can track in cdm
so any cdm add on I woudl say
paper grove
Was like 4k under my no buff ST sim so I was just making sure I was doing it right
swift creek
i miss weak auras :/
serene cosmos
Was like 4k under my no buff ST sim so I was just making sure I was doing it rig...
You're not a robot
You are? Complete a captcha pls
serene cosmos
i dont like the customizability of cdm
What you looking for then?
Cuz I barely understand what kind of stuff you wanna see
swift creek
What you looking for then?
a way to track rtb buffs but in a way that is vizually appealing to me in the user interface
because im ocd or something
stone blaze
is embellishment good on offhand or must it always be on main hand?
swift creek
wait wtf ? the roll the bones buffs changed ?
serene cosmos
Bro
swift creek
D:
serene cosmos
So you don't like this
serene cosmos
You can move it to the left
swift creek
like above my unit frame
is htat an addon ? can i get rid of all the other cooldowns ? so it just shows the rtb buffs?
serene cosmos
It's BCDM, and yes, you can just remove tracked buffs
swift creek
i just look at my action bars for th ability cooldowns
serene cosmos
Yes, you can hide everything
swift creek
so bcdm in curseforge will pull it up ?
serene cosmos
BetterCooldownManager
serene cosmos
so any cdm add on I woudl say
That's what I meant by this
Any cdm addons can make you personalize your cdm
swift creek
okay cool!
sorry i thought you referred to the in game cdm haha
but ill look up bcdm on curseforge
probably is well
better
serene cosmos
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:- Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
tardy cradle
If I already have BIS sub/assa gear is it worth swapping to outlaw I played it during shadow lands and the war within.
glass mortar
if you like it sure
serene cosmos
Just play what you want
zinc dust
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.
It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.
waxen scarab
is fatebound still good in m+?
cuz according to logs its equal if not better than new trickster build
serene cosmos
According to logs?
glass mortar
using logs 4 days after the patch when people barely log m+ to begin with
fatebound is like 2-3% better in m+ then it was last week
trickster is ~13% better then that
🤷
waxen scarab
explain this
glass mortar
explain what
people not updating to new builds? that route and comp impacts ur individualy dps more then build in m+?
lament cloud
all those fatebound logs are prepatch 
lusty grove
explain this
bro patch went live the 22
granite quarry
oh boy 
inner yacht
fatebound didnt get nerfed idk what this line of thinking is
inner yacht
its the same as it was before
lament cloud
the build was prepatch
glass mortar
zac did a key as fatebound kspree by accident when he forgot to swap on tuesday
idk if thats what ur seeing
zacs been trickster in every single key since tho
raven wyvern
So is fatebound better than trickster?
glass mortar
on wednesday actually hes EU
no fatebound is significantly worse then trickster
but play whatever u want if u think sims r wrong
raven wyvern
ive not tested pve, but in pvp trickster feels ALOT better
weary goblet
Tbf, feeling and performance are not related, especially this patch
raven wyvern
true
raven wyvern
trickster build?
jolly geyser
wonky build
weary goblet
And no WAs, so I'm playing it like shit
But imma smash my face against it until I learn it, even tho atm I'm doing way better on Assa
river wing
they legit keep flip-flopping for ace
can we expect 5 cp again in 12.1 and then a revert to 4 in 13.0 or something?
jolly geyser
but why
glass mortar
because they think its more interesting that you dont always chain ace
and by dont alwyas i mean 90% of the time u dont get to
stoic wagon
guys why do i gain dps with rep trinket?
river wing
because they think its more interesting that you dont always chain ace
how is that interesting????
glass mortar
because they are stupid stinky buttheads idk any other reason
river wing
oh wait I forgot
they think "waiting for energy" is the same as pooling
and that it should be fun just because
weary goblet
guys why do i gain dps with rep trinket?
It's strong and crit is great on all 3 rogue specs
stoic wagon
It's strong and crit is great on all 3 rogue specs
against 276 alleria trinket??
frail veldt
oh wait I forgot
they think "waiting for energy" is the same as pooling
Umm do you mean "resource gameplay"
random stirrup
I would prefer if it almost always gave the 6cp refund but you still had to react by building occasionally
instead of almost always having to build and sometimes getting the full refund
weary goblet
but they think it is
New feature: aoe blind! You like this new and innovative talent?
glass mortar
guys why do i gain dps with rep trinket?
because that trinket is comparable to herioc raid trinkets and some mythic and is extremely strong if u have it upgrade (the world upgrade at the station in the voidstorm)
has been all season
glass mortar
New feature: aoe blind! You like this new and innovative talent?
rogues got a huge win in 12.0.5 with the return of aoe blind. this just goes to show the devs are listening and positive feedback wins out!
🏄 🏄♂️
weary goblet
against 276 alleria trinket??
I have that too, I'm actually curious if it will sim higher for me too - what did you sim? ST or DS?
stoic wagon
ds
weary goblet
Lemme go login quick
glass mortar
guys why do i gain dps with rep trinket?
ur also simming dslice
which has aoe weighting
the direct damage trinket doesnt really scale with that
it only hits 2 targets max. the other trinket is a secondary stat trinket
stoic wagon
so overall rep trinket still better no?
waxen scarab
which talents says after consuming a certain amount of dispatches next bte is granted ace or something like this?
glass mortar
id see how big the gap is on st and make my choice off that
glass mortar
which talents says after consuming a certain amount of dispatches next bte is gr...
apex
river wing
rogues got a huge win in 12.0.5 with the return of aoe blind. this just goes to ...
I think I would legit pay money to see Mafic banned
weary goblet
guys why do i gain dps with rep trinket?
i actually can't sim it, i deleted the rep trinket the moment i got gaze lmao
glass mortar
u can add items to top gear sims up at the top
stoic wagon
i actually can't sim it, i deleted the rep trinket the moment i got gaze lmao
but apparently its the second best trinket?
glass mortar
its the second best trinket if ur not upgrading trinkets to mythic max ilvl sure i could see that
inland acorn
is it trackable via cooldown manager?
Yes
glass mortar
yes it is in cdm
fiery saffron
!bugs
ornate heathBOT
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
inland acorn
!bugs
This has not been kept up to date, check #outlaw-faq for bugs
glass mortar
u can always link the actual sim in here if u think somethings wonky with it
weary goblet
but apparently its the second best trinket?
Simming it now in case i need to item restore 😛
glass mortar
oh yea these are all just hero track trinkets
crucible has always been a contendor with them
glass mortar
its super strong (as long as u have its track upgraded)
inland acorn
any good outlaw learning videos or should i just stick to reading the faq
Faq is very good
weary goblet
@stoic wagon nah, for me Myth Guidon sims higher with gaze haha, guess im good
inland acorn
Ask questions here if something not clear
glass mortar
it gets beaten by mythic trinkets yea
earnest sphinx
i played a bit of law in tww s3
earnest sphinx
so i am not a complete newbie
stoic wagon
this trinket crazy
inland acorn
Dont think we have any outlaw guides on yt unless i'm not aware of some
earnest sphinx
glass mortar
u do have the world upgrade for it right? u can turn them off in the sim if u wanna see the trinkets value without them
earnest sphinx
found this but its outdated a bit ig
inland acorn
Thats out of datw
earnest sphinx
yea
inland acorn
Faq is holy bible so
dry arrow
So sorry to bother u guys but im having quite the problem w the sims
inland acorn
inland acorn
So sorry to bother u guys but im having quite the problem w the sims
Whats the problem
inland acorn
Yes its very strong
loud moat
dry arrow
Im simming w dungoen slice but idk the other trinkets are hero
glass mortar
yes crucible is comparable to most if not all herioc track trinkets
assuming you have ur crucible fully upgraded (the world upgrade path)
dry arrow
Checks out then
dry arrow
assuming you have ur crucible fully upgraded (the world upgrade path)
Ye i have it
So im not simming it wrong
glass mortar
nope its just good
dry arrow
Its the trinket that just fucks like that
glass mortar
its RP effects read like they should only happen in voidstorm
turns out they work everywhere
so nice freebie
dry arrow
Lol ddnt know that
glass mortar
it was probably tuned with that in mind, which is why its so strong
jolly geyser
dry arrow
Also another question in the new oppener do u realy need to use slice and dice?
glass mortar
its optimal
harsh quartz
should we be using KS before prep on our opener?
glass mortar
yup
tropic zephyr
Also another question in the new oppener do u realy need to use slice and dice?
yes, the reasoning is that 2x ace talent is now strong enough that you want your first BtE to consume Supercharger because it has high chance to reset BtE
river forge
Also another question in the new oppener do u realy need to use slice and dice?
If i understand new opener correctly, we use dispatch late, so you would go for couple of seconds without using getting slice up
glass mortar
the better ur rng is the longer u would delay ur dispatch
which is bad yea
need SnD up in the opener
snd is part of what makes lust so big for us
dry arrow
But is only on st or every openner in dungeon too?
glass mortar
i mean in dungeons you already shoulda been SnDing in the bubble
otherwise the CP you get from casting AR before the key just go to waste
thats been a thing whole season
glass mortar
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
inland acorn
it is
dry arrow
Wow ty guys
glass mortar
lone surge
What does snd in the bubble mean
lone surge
Don't you need combo point to press snd?
lone surge
Oh
glass mortar
they carry over to the bubble. they do not carry over to the key
hasty warren
adr fill ur cp
lone surge
Are you ever casting snf during the dungeon manually
glass mortar
yes but in situations that are so niche its tough to describe
anytime you are having downtime and know ur CP is going to go to waste and want to churn cdr
situations would be I have downtime with BF falling off and aoe Bf will refill me as my first gcd when i get to hit something again anyway
stuff like that
but again thats very niche and feelcrafty the opener/prekey are the only official casts of SnD you need to do in the guide
carmine mountain
Besides casting it manually the first time in the bubble do we ever hard SnD for the rest of the key?
glass mortar
but again thats very niche and feelcrafty the opener/prekey are the only officia...
.
vivid vessel
while using the old build
but im goated no ?
arctic merlin
i just noticed trickster is meta again and by 10%
and i've been wondering wtf is going on
glass mortar
pins got the details
arctic merlin
is the bis gear on wowhead viable?
carmine mountain
read the freaking pins
magic shuttle
ye it's viable
arctic merlin
do i craft items with crit/haste or is versa/haste preferable for crafted?
glass mortar
unless u have too much haste or 40% crit, haste/crit
worldly shale
unless u have too much haste or 40% crit, haste/crit
is there too much haste now xd
glass mortar
yea
i mean i wouldnt go to 30%
and certainly not past that
but its higher then it was a week agio
worldly shale
yeye same
carmine mountain
solo said something about KS build needing more haste so how much are we going for optimally
glass mortar
u dont need more haste for raid
worldly shale
and 34% crit
glass mortar
trickster wants the same stats as fatebound
but in long sustain style fights where tea runs out it was not a dps loss to go as high as 28% haste (for zacs sims anyway)
so 🤷
vibe it out
and he was trading crit for haste in that sim so
rocky gulch
anyone know what addon this is that shows the GCD on Zac's stream? or whats used to config it?
craggy barn
its a weak aura he has
craggy barn
u can do the same with ultimate mouse cursor addon
inland acorn
but im goated no ?
I've found your secret zac
rocky gulch
welp, time to take time and install/set that up
inland acorn
glass mortar
jagged plover
that's why im 100k overall behind
inland acorn
glass mortar
r1 bug abuser
bright lodge
Is Ranger-Captain's Iridescent Insignia is undersimming for m+?
river wing
<:Susge:1008456341091786902>
huh
bright lodge
i doubt it, it doesnt exactly scale with aoe
But cdr for crits?
glass mortar
u dont crit more in aoe
not in a way that would impact it anyway
BF cleave cant crit
bright lodge
Oh, I thought more crit applications would. Ok, you live - you learn
turbid robin
Outlaw rotationp
lone surge
Fresh boosted rogue would you use reroll spire?
glass mortar
i mean you may get marginally more cdr from BF initial cast and BR in aoe but thats not gunna make up for the fact that it cannot hit more then 2 targets ever
the wotlk dungeon has the most items on its table we want iirc
pit
rocky gulch
is there a way to hide the default cursor with ultimate addon?
jagged plover
this bug in mogashan that just dcs people randomly on first boss is so peak
arctic merlin
numbing poison better?
safe birch
Hi guys, last time I have played Outlaw was shadowlands. Due do the devastating bugs for unholy I will start to Level an Outlaw rogue. Is Outlaw Hard? Probably harder than unholy. What are the biggest pitfalls for outlaw?
arctic merlin
Hi guys, last time I have played Outlaw was shadowlands. Due do the devastating ...
outlaw is definitely harder than unholy, but it's just about getting used to the rotationand reacting appropriately with spells
glass mortar
not pressing buttons on the gcd (we are meant to be gcd capped) and not using abilities on cd ish as well are probably our two biggest pitfals, and yes id consider outlaw harder then unholy
pressing the correct buttons isnt super hard, the priority isnt complex but it is much faster then unholy afaik
jagged plover
i think a lot of people mess up opportunity spending too probably
worldly shale
this has to be good
arctic merlin
well unholy is just pressing a few buttons on cooldown and once you have a sudden doom proc
lime lake
fartcloud
safe birch
i think restless blades can fuck ne Quite a Bit when things are fastet out of cooldown than I expected
lucid sparrow
this has to be good
whats that
arctic merlin
minmax on outlaw is something to get used to as well
worldly shale
ok its just fartcloud tracker thought it would be cooler
jagged plover
outlaw has more <1% optimisation gains that anything else ive ever looked at
our sim lords are demonic
arctic merlin
i think restless blades can fuck ne Quite a Bit when things are fastet out of co...
and triple thread increases that by 40% so you can rarely follow it intuitively
worldly shale
OK MAYBE WINNING
arctic merlin
i suggest pulling cds to the frnt with an addon or the built in cdm
worldly shale
IM SHOPPING FOR AURAS BOYS
safe birch
Targetswapping With Outlaw is probably easy, It is a Mess with unholy
glass mortar
it was worse last expac but its not too bad now
you can lose damage if the timing works out poorly with fazed but its w/e
jagged plover
when bte used to be a debuff it was quite annoying
vivid vessel
@keen belfry i did less damage in skyreach than i did last week
fervent garden
hypothetically if someone screwed up and crafted poorly, can I, i mean he use an OH sword/mace instead of dagger and not feel noobish?
vivid vessel
thgouts
ok nvm im lying but
i did the same damage
cause shit rng
its actually so noticeable
some runs you dont run out of energy
and some runs
you cant play
whole run ?
idk
glass mortar
i mean
vivid vessel
im so confused
glass mortar
the red name duder did a sim and checked the variance of trickster law