outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt seem to affect sim dps one way or the other, so pick one

[topaz stream]

is there a place to find pre key buttons i should be pressing or is that not a thing anymore?

[lavish shoal]

just make sure your flurry isnt going down

[gaunt phoenix]

well if your first bte doesnt reset then you immediately Prep Bte

[lavish shoal]

solo ive had a weird bug where my rtb just disappears

on vanguard

[gaunt phoenix]

ye theres a pin about it

[tiny onyx]

I usually try to use KS when I'm low on energy at 5-6CP, but do we want to use BtE/Dispatch from KS charging points to 7?

or do we want to cut it off early and manually sinister strike etc

[lavish shoal]

that is insane

wow

holy shit

[gaunt phoenix]

you only cut it if you max energy during the channel

[lavish shoal]

blizzard is such a dogshit company LMAO

[gaunt phoenix]

and you can cut it with ss

[tiny onyx]

this week ive been having RtB disappear almost every other pull

it's been pretty bad

and then it'll pop back up mid-roll

[lavish shoal]

yeah i was having it disappear on vnaguard so i would overwrite my KiR'd roll cause i didnt know what was going on

had a couple pulls where i overwrote a 2+ buff with a 1 buff

not my fault

!

[tiny onyx]

and this bug has been a thing for at least a month

[lavish shoal]

unholy dk bugs

outlaw bugs forever

glad the devs are doing their job well!

[green star]

oh you have to go Sub/Assa for Pit dagger huh

Outlaw doesnt drop it

[lavish shoal]

law no daggers

[green star]

That is the biss offhand though, right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[green star]

Okay just making sure 😄

[tiny onyx]

What changes were in our opener its preferred to SnD and then build to BtE compared to when we were fatebound and we would dispatch first and then build BTE

[gaunt phoenix]

ace change

snd does not consume supercharger

it is more important to supercharge bte now

[tiny onyx]

gotcha so the idea is just to get resets going faster

and would you recommend using KS whenever BTE is on CD or mainly when pooling for energy?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is priority after you cant bte or prep bte

[tiny onyx]

whenever i try to use KS i try to make sure i have 5CP if possible but most of the time im at 6

[gaunt phoenix]

thats fine

[tiny onyx]

how long do you recommend channeling it for when we dont need energy? Eg: we're at 150+ energy

would you just cast it and immediately start SS'ing?

[gaunt phoenix]

when you hit max energy during the channel

cancel it

with an action

that's it

[tiny onyx]

kk gotcha

[gaunt phoenix]

ks is still a large portion of your unseen blades, you still use it when it is prio

[tiny onyx]

oh one question about KS, if we have BF active does it also AoE? or does the move just pick random targets

and BF doesn't affect it

[gaunt phoenix]

it bfs

[native tinsel]

is energy starving something expected after a long fight?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes'

[late hill]

is there a guide how to transition from FB to trickster? never played tickster before...

[gaunt phoenix]

ks is also lower priority than preparation

so in the opener you bte and then prep bte after the first bte stops resetting

ks still not used

until you can no longer bte

[olive bramble]

ks is basically a shitty bte 😂

[tiny onyx]

Feels like we're tracking so much this patch with outlaw

[olive bramble]

Meh it's just a tree

yes / no questions

[gaunt phoenix]

it does, but i like it

a lot of room for error

[olive bramble]

I've been pumping in keys tho lol

[buoyant stratus]

Its joevwr for me rip outlaw career apr 22-23rd

[stuck patrol]

fuck I forgor I asked this question, it doesn't seem like I got a reply, discord weird on my phone

[gaunt phoenix]

there is not a specific rule against supercharge ks

[olive bramble]

I've been switching between Coup de Grace and KS

[stuck patrol]

aeugh, it feels icky

[olive bramble]

I use charged KS if no CdG and CdG otherwise

[long needle]

is there some way to turn up the BtE "reload" sound? cant hear that shit going off

[lavish shoal]

sit down gup

[fluid meadow]

should i stack a bit more haste against crit sim value just for gameplay or not worth at all? stats are this without flask/oils. wattahack images are broken a bit

[stuck patrol]

Here's a how to guide on how to do it:

1. Contact Blizzard and ask them to allow weakauras again
2. Wait for hotfix
3. When hotfix arrives, install weakauras
4. Download/create weakaura to play custom sound
5. Change the sounds to your heart's content

It's that easy!

[long needle]

would it be possible to to in m33kauras then??

[fathom bramble]

the combat info that would be required to do that is hidden afaik

[gaunt phoenix]

should use top gear not stat weight

[stuck patrol]

idk what that is

[long needle]

damn:(

weakaura fork @stuck patrol

[fathom bramble]

m33kauras is a weakaura fork that allows you to make WAs again, but with all the limitation blizz has put on addons the WAs you can make are much weaker

[stuck patrol]

stat weight is bad, bc if you change 1 stat point, the prio can change

[stuck patrol]

and they didn't call it weakerauras? wtf

[warped spruce]

its totally fine to hold adrenaline rush until we feel the tank is done gathering right? even if it takes like 5 seconds, question

[gaunt phoenix]

its fine

[warped spruce]

oki

[fossil lintel]

Debilitated auras

[fluid blade]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[keen belfry]

solo i was literally losing rtb so much in raid today

i wonder if its raid related

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[keen belfry]

like multiple ttimes in a pull today

[gaunt phoenix]

i had it once

[keen belfry]

and it never happens in m+ really

only like once ever

[quaint wharf]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[cinder relic]

mIGHT BE THE PATCH

caps

[keen belfry]

i legit lost it for almost a whole pull

[main gate]

i was being terrorized by losing rtb all night in voidspire. it felt fine on midnight falls and dreamrift but voidspire was so annoying.

[keen belfry]

i still cant believe pikaboo called me a fucking idiot

does he not know?

im not one?

[cinder relic]

Only I can do that

[buoyant stratus]

Context?

[keen belfry]

literally only guy can do that

https://youtu.be/WUEPtnKOhLw?si=HhZPZzcWkQlCifoR&t=207

@buoyant stratus

funny video tho

i never watch streamers but pika content funny whenver its on

[lime lake]

also an idiot

[hollow bloom]

Pretty sure outlaw mains are all idiots anyway

[buoyant stratus]

Banger

[stoic brook]

How strong is outlaw rn?

It felt really weak last season so I abandoned my rogue alt

[keen belfry]

we are much stronger now

[cinder relic]

solid

[stoic brook]

High overalls in keys too or?

[cinder relic]

its solid yeah

worse than gods but not bad

[stoic brook]

Nice

[static geyser]

I know its all personal, but do you all like to have main rotation abilities on keys like E,Q,R, and F? Or more on your mouse?

[buoyant stratus]

Its borderline meta

Imo

Dark horse typeshit

1 aug nerf, 1 devour nerf

[keen belfry]

with the caveat of if it has all raid buffs

[buoyant stratus]

Same with assa

I swear assa is omegasleeper

[stoic brook]

What about frost mage

[keen belfry]

shjits so cringe

[stoic brook]

They are pretty strong too

[keen belfry]

frost meh

[stoic brook]

I hate it myself outside of raids so I’m looking to roll into something that does strong damage and is tanky

[buoyant stratus]

Devour

Oops whonsaid that

[keen belfry]

pick something thats fun and tanky instead

[cinder relic]

Devourer but like

Devourer is hard

So if u wanna swap that and be mid for awhile u can

[buoyant stratus]

Uhdk

Once fixed

[stoic brook]

Hard specs have never been an issue

[keen belfry]

i need to learn how to preoperly dev

[buoyant stratus]

Smile

[keen belfry]

mine is like 270

[stoic brook]

Swap and be mid

[keen belfry]

but i do 0 dmg

[stoic brook]

Bro I main fire mage I’m already mid

But outlaw has been really fun rotationally for a very long time

And they don’t die to nothing

[buoyant stratus]

This version is lowkey super unfun but yeah

[stoic brook]

My favourite was GSW outlaw or blunderbuss

In SL

[keen belfry]

super unfun is stretch, but if it had energy fixes it would be pretty pretty fun rn

[reef hull]

Killing spree used to be my favorite spell since wrath, but nowadays seems cringe, i guess It Need a bit of dmg

[buoyant stratus]

I dont like being perma out of energy after a long pull

[keen belfry]

and tricksters a bit meh

[buoyant stratus]

In raid its ight

[topaz stream]

Is it always finish at 5+

[buoyant stratus]

+6 $

For trickyman

[keen belfry]

i was on maisra caverns 1st boss, 1 buff, 0 tea, ar 50 seconds away

it was insane

[topaz stream]

ok

[keen belfry]

imagine keeping BF up there

[buoyant stratus]

My windrunner opener was 2 buff 2buff 2buff 4buff into bolt poison dispel

[reef hull]

I mean i like outlaw but It feels a bit awkward to play, i dont feel this buff too much

[stoic brook]

What was ur damage that pull? xd

[keen belfry]

i did decent dmg cuz it was good until that point

but man...

[reef hull]

Assa and sub seems Always more preferable choises, Ol Is good but i guess its Need a bit of rework to something

[stoic brook]

The balance team still has flashbacks to bfa triple outlaw I swear

[reef hull]

Lol

Good ol Times

[buoyant stratus]

This is probably the easiest its been to swap outlaw tho

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry did ur energy feel omega cringe on paladins

[buoyant stratus]

Need a MH and ur good to go

Everyone likes haste now

[keen belfry]

i barely was playing, but yes

[outer meteor]

shits so ass

2 min into the fight

0 tea charges

ar 40 sec away

pressing bf off cd

gg

[stoic brook]

And raid seems to favour blade flurry a good amount yes?

[fluid blade]

am I doing something wrong, or is it literally just RNG for BTE resets - most of the "first pulls" in m+ i barely get any resets :/

[craggy barn]

yes its rng

[cinder relic]

Outlaw does good ST as well

Its sorta just the best at everything, except burst rn

[stoic brook]

In m+ too?

Sorry I’m just asking cause I really felt like I shot myself in the foot last season when I spent the whole weekend gearing my rogue only to play sub instead

[cinder relic]

M+ its just kinda a tossup rn

Ppl are just playing whatever rogue spec

they all kinda do smthing so they all have a purpose

idt any of them aer wrong

[elder sonnet]

play what you enjoy tbh

[tender sable]

hell no, go full sweat

[elder sonnet]

alot of people here stick to outlaw even when it’s bad because they legit enjoy the spec

its in a good spot right now, but so is sub and sin

so you can’t go wrong here

[unkempt dew]

Outlaws for life

[fossil lintel]

You know, I wish vanish was still on RB

Having it more often without using it for damage would be so goated for keys

[wintry leaf]

Is Outlaw in a bad spot right now? Seems sluggish

[stoic brook]

I play for fun and winning is very fun

[cinder relic]

DEPENDS HOW U DEFINE BAD SPOT

caps

[fossil lintel]

Yeah it's terrible mate

[wintry leaf]

Like, sub plays super polished...idk

[fossil lintel]

How much haste you have?

[wintry leaf]

I assume not enough

[fossil lintel]

I did feel a bit better about energy with a haste flask putting me up to 27%

But you can definitely still get fucked by bad play or bad rng

[wintry leaf]

Hrm

Ok. I used to love the fast play of outlaw, was like my favorite spec.

Now it just feels "off" somehow

[fossil lintel]

Yeah

For a spec that was basically GCD locked at 0.8s GCD for an expansion and a half, it does feel quite bad

[wintry leaf]

That you for input and insight. Nn

[cinder relic]

Its a very different spec now fundamentally

U can not like it, its very valid

But it is very different

str8 up

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, it's a lot more similar to pre df outlaw, but even then I don't think our energy situation was this bad

[cinder relic]

I mean energy is mega bad vibes rn

[fossil lintel]

Especially with trickster

[river wing]

feels like energy could be fixed just by bringing BT back into 2+ rtb

then again maybe not, idk

[fossil lintel]

Just roll back a bit of the nerf on flourish

[green star]

We take those 🙏

[fossil lintel]

Or have its chance be 25% + your haste

[river wing]

currently levelling in MoP as a side thing to compare energy flow at high level personally
seems like around 60+ it could be a blast, with combat potency and relentless and restless being 2 full seconds per CP (though gen itself is likely slower still)

[hollow bloom]

MoP rogue is so smooth man

[frosty needle]

question if i may if get the farstrider's mercy crafted dagger for my assassin spec would it be ok to use as my off hand for outlaw?

[cinder relic]

Its optimal to use a dagger offhand so yep

[vapid sundial]

Use me with your offhand

[silver ginkgo]

Are there any solid profiles to import for cooldown companion or ayijiCDM for outlaw? Trying to get something a little more customizable than base UI but im lazy

[foggy needle]

just to be clear, are we still hitting bte on an ace proc even at 5cp?

first time back on outlaw since DF

[hollow bloom]

BUILD TO 6

SS or pistol shot with 6 stacks, then BTE

After the ace proc

[foggy needle]

o7

[sturdy tartan]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks energy feels so bad rn for outlaw

[cold crescent]

out of curiosity what are chances for each stage in rtb? percentage wise.

[cinder relic]

its like 45 35 10 1?

I forget where the 1 is taken

These could also be wrong

but these feel correct

[cold crescent]

[river wing]

according to sims, it's this
#outlaw message

[deep sequoia]

yo wtf do i do about this energy starvation man

it feels like ass

im at 24% haste

do i need more?

[dusty blaze]

Does Raidbots take the 30 energy cloud bug into account?

[hollow bloom]

I stack haste, but the clankers would tell you otherwise.

[lusty grove]

Sorry if it was asked before but why does the wowhead bis gear page uses haste/vers crafted items ?

Crit cap ?

[dusty blaze]

Aye crit loses value over 40%

[cinder relic]

Full bis doesnt want it

Probs does now with trickster

[lusty grove]

I see thx

[tiny onyx]

okayyy so its okay to recraft the haste/ver pieces to crit/haste?

because i mentioned it the other day and it was simming 1% upgrade higher from haste/ver

[silent edge]

In M+ do you SnD before every Pack if you have AR up or only on the first opener where everything is off CD?

[tiny onyx]

only opener, SnD should generally be up when you're dispatching

[thick copper]

!prepull

[tiny onyx]

you can do it though pre-pull

[pure folio]

I mean yea, if its simming higher. trickster likes crit and haste more than fb

[timid portal]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[cinder relic]

Itll probably be crit/haste for awhile yeah

[silent edge]

And prepull is in the buble during countdown before the key starts?

[pure folio]

snd lasts like 50 seconds, u shouldnt ever have to cast it outside of a super niche scenario

[tiny onyx]

Pre-key countdown -> pop adrenaline rush -> in bubble pop SnD

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[pure folio]

adr before key goes in, snd in the bubble

[silent edge]

I see so AR before key -> key goes in -> snd in bubble -> key starts

[bright cedar]

no KS?

[timid portal]

before key start you want to adr into ks (allows you to snd in bubble and gives 2 free unseen blades) when the key goes in depending on dungeon you can press BF on 3 seconds and SND on 2s (you always press snd inside bubble)

[inland acorn]

Why press bf

[silent edge]

And KS is before key goes in/bubble starts?

[inland acorn]

It will be gone by the time you get to pack lol

[timid portal]

"depending on dungeon" !

[inland acorn]

I guess

[timid portal]

you have pit sott sr mt

ws too

[unborn cave]

How bad is dagger in OH compared to 2.60 speed?

[fading igloo]

Yo with them refunding bonus rolls, is it worth it to try n use em on Skyreach for a Myth solar flare prism or just keep slamming then into PoS?

[inland acorn]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[timid portal]

dagger is bis offhand

[bright cedar]

i'm still a bit confused about stats. currently running hc solarflare prism + myth gaze with crit flask. I have the option to run myth guidon as well. and obviously I could use haste flask. which is worth more for m+?

[inland acorn]

Probably flask

[timid portal]

flask and keep gaze + prism

guidon is more sub trinket than outlaw

[bright cedar]

i have way too much mastery... but that's what happens when you're a sub main

i can't prog in outlaw

my neurons can't take that much shit going on at once

but it's quite a lot of fun in keys. okay i'll try haste flask for my next run then, ty

[tropic zephyr]

you need to gear/flask so that you can get close to 25% haste

don't play haste on use trink tho

[bright cedar]

haste flask gets me to 24%

i need the weapon from cosmos

[inland acorn]

24% should be good

[simple orchid]

So after key start and we already did snd and bf in bubble, first pack we go directly building cp into bte or we go ADR into bte to get the cloud out first?

[inland acorn]

adr bte

you don't need to dispatch, because you have snd up

[bright cedar]

this was my problem as well. we do everything in the bubble, then we get to pack, we want BF and ADR, but that overcaps cp

still not sure what's the ideal opener in keys

[inland acorn]

bf before pack if possible

but also its not big deal really

its 1 instance, where you might overcap cps

[crystal finch]

That's where I struggle the most as well. Not in the opener specifically but when adr bte and bf overlaps I always mix things up. We want both bf and supercharge for the bte, but both of them caps cp

And I fuck it up

[simple orchid]

Ok so we waste a super charge but the cloud is worth it ty 👍

[inland acorn]

?

How we waste super charge

[simple orchid]

ADR before key, snd and bf in bubble, no supercharged is used by snd. So if we go ADR directly we dont use the supercharged we got during pre-key ADR right?

[inland acorn]

snd doesn't consume supercharge

[arctic hollow]

When pulling boss or starting a key 2 supercharged cp carry over

[frozen quest]

guys how do i anchor to ayije cdm ressource bar? like i dont know what the anchor name is

where do i find that info

[arctic hollow]

Inside the addon itself ? I didnt find a way to anchor other elements to it, it's kind of a free element

The only one you can drag arround too

[frozen quest]

no its for weakaura

anchor to ressource bar

[cinder relic]

SC is only damaging finishers

[strong shell]

IS outlaw doing much damage atm cuz of a BUG or is it working as intended?

[inland acorn]

working as intended

[river wing]

that's the design

[strong shell]

okey cool. from what i understand in a phys comp they are about the strongest spec atm?

[arctic hollow]

Personnal Ressource Display seems like it does what you want

[cinder relic]

Arms is probably better

But it does do big dmg

[tropic zephyr]

working as intended, but seriously looks like an oversight on the gains we have from one talent

[cinder relic]

Who cares if its intended lole

Take the W

[river wing]

to be the devil's advocate
it is the most unwieldy talent in a while

[strong shell]

okey, so most likely not a nerf to the talent?

[cinder relic]

Seems it was intended for devourer to get buffed

[inland acorn]

smoke obscuring mechanics is

[cinder relic]

They might next season

[strong shell]

im considering playing outlaw again but pretty sad if they get nerfed again

[cinder relic]

But his season? Nah

[river wing]

yeah, doubt they'll nerf it quickly

[strong shell]

okey thanks!

[tropic zephyr]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised to see them reduce cloud to 2x Fazed, which I guess is still better than FB

[bright cedar]

i think he cares because he doesn't want to swap gear / learn a spec if it's going to get changed next week

[river wing]

frankly outlaw wasn't terrible in M+ before the buff

[cinder relic]

didn't mean that guy

Meant the person couching the language

Theres no world they nerf it until a new season

THe spec and class isnt overperforming

[river wing]

yeh

[cinder relic]

Theres just 0 world we get a nerf for awhile

if at all

[bright cedar]

all I want is the 30 energy fixed (more for sub than outlaw, but still). and then we ballin

[hollow bloom]

They going to say thats a feature lol

[inland acorn]

Dont forget invisible rtb bug

That one is also pain to deal with sometimes

[tropic zephyr]

yeah it's annoying when you forget to check energy

[bright cedar]

what is that one about?

[tropic zephyr]

and you don't get the cloud

[inland acorn]

rtb randomly stops showing from CDM (you still have buff active, just doesn't show on cdm )

[cinder relic]

Its because the old talent was triggered around pressing distract

[bright cedar]

nono, I mean the invisible rtb

[cinder relic]

Oh

Who tf knows

[bright cedar]

ty, i have never seen that

hopefully i won't either

[inland acorn]

there is a pin about it, but ye

nobody knows wtf is going on with that, it's just super annoying sometimes

When you glance and see it's gone and need to find/remember if you had good buff

[bright cedar]

ah, another quick question on preparation usage. ideally you want to use it as soon as all conditions are met (everything's on cooldown) right? like you go into first pull, use AR, dispatch, KS etc, and immediately prep, so the cd starts ticking down on that one too, plus you get a BtE refresh still in AR?

[inland acorn]

Prep doesn't care about KS

[cinder relic]

^

You just use it whenever you ar out of BTE resets

[inland acorn]

Its more about resetting BtE

bonus points for blade rush, but BtE is most important

[bright cedar]

oh so even earlier. go into pull, AR, go ham on BtE and if you're out, prep and blast

[tropic zephyr]

Invisible RTB happened like every try I did yesterday, I need to install the m33kaura

[inland acorn]

ye

[bright cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[tropic zephyr]

Almost rerolled a jackpot

[midnight ridge]

i do prep at the end of ks, it feels a bit smoother

[inland acorn]

and then when your 1st adr runs out, you do 2nd adr whenever bte is back off cd

[tropic zephyr]

ew

[inland acorn]

it's been happening like 1000% more since .5 patch

i got it on almost like every pull on alleria prog 2 days ago

[tropic zephyr]

ye

[inland acorn]

super annoying

[tropic zephyr]

I really like ace2 tho

it blasts

feels good

pew pew

[midnight ridge]

i miss bte counter weakaura

[tropic zephyr]

I mean they wouldn't make sense now, the only thing that does is your bte amp buff stacks

[ruby burrow]

is outlaw gear/stats depend?

[tropic zephyr]

once you get enough haste (around 25%) the spec does not need anything else to feel smooth

[jolly geyser]

my rolls havent poofed, I just use the blizz timer tbf

[tropic zephyr]

i mean as smooth as it can be, but you "only" need toe haste cap

[fluid crown]

Yeah, if you can get myth pieces it is quite good

[ruby burrow]

I feel like i am tickling but i thought i was playing it right

i am 254 and 14% haste atm

[tropic zephyr]

yeah get that gear up, and that haste up

[fluid crown]

254 is legit goo goo gaa gaa gear

[ruby burrow]

i can pump on sub with it but i find outlaw more fun

back to sub to gear up

[tropic zephyr]

look at #outlaw-faq it contains a lot of useful info to play the spec

lots of little things

[ruby burrow]

Thank you

[midnight ridge]

i have ~22% haste and sims tell me to use crit flask, is it still better to drink haste then?

[tropic zephyr]

the spec is relying on you to have high apm and uptime to continually reduce the CD of all CDs

[tropic zephyr]

no, follow sim

[daring yoke]

guys can i cloak windspire last boss wave thing (where u need to take a feather to jump)

[tropic zephyr]

yes

[daring yoke]

so just cloak and dps boss yeah?

lol

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, once in the fight usually

[daring yoke]

easy

assume i can also clear puddles with cloak?

[tropic zephyr]

puddles are cleared with boss mechanics, idk what you mean about that

[daring yoke]

ah okay. sometimes there are some leftover puddles that dont get cleared

[tropic zephyr]

when you get the big blue circle around you, you need to have the center of a puddle inside your cicle to clear it

[daring yoke]

just bad position id say or unlucky

yeah if we miss some, what happens, puddles just stay there?

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

it's just dead space, nothing else

[daring yoke]

that cant be cleared with cloak? or jsut boss mech only?

[tropic zephyr]

yea, mechanic only

[daring yoke]

cool thx

[drowsy karma]

blizz fix their fuck ups yet?

[dusty blaze]

I still have no idea if it's safe to craft. I don't think blizz even acknowledged the return of the crafting bug ><

[drowsy karma]

There is a GIANT list of bugs...it's insane

[quiet ore]

So I asked a friend who doesn't play ol for a build that looked cool and they sent me this:

[tulip quarry]

AHAH

[quiet ore]

Surprisingly only 36% behind in sustained 8t cleave - IF all of your secondary stats are haste

[inland acorn]

I bet big brains can cut it down to 30%

[tropic zephyr]

Wait, was your friend ryu?

[quiet ore]

That build wants no crit, no vers, only haste

[tender wedge]

What a throwback

[wintry solar]

Love it

It's so otherworldly

[drowsy karma]

I guess it's a good thing Lord of Hatred comes out in a few days, since blizz fucked up WoW for a while LOL

[quiet ore]

Predictably, any build that doesn't take tea needs more haste just to stay GCD locked, and even moreso if you try to force HO

And ditching supercharger for subterfuge hurts energy even more by asking for consecutive Ambush casts

[wintry solar]

Tell him to keep cooking please, I love looking at these builds

[quiet ore]

If you don't, like, read guides, you can, like, actually click on that build and believe it's reasonable.

And be like half a dps

(worse, in reality, since anyone clicking on that build doesn't have max haste gear)

[wintry solar]

The build makes sense if you don't know about the energy/haste woes

[river wing]

almost a non-gun build, just need to drop imp bte and KS and ace, take HH and acro and KiR

[glass heron]

Guys have been playing outlaw since DF and came back to the spec again, after a few m+ runs from my perspetive it feels so weird

[river wing]

also
baited by unbreakable stride because of course someone who doesn't know the details would be

[glass heron]

not having almost 100% uptime in adrenaline and not spamming BTE in subterfuge + not getting random dices with SS

[cedar bone]

do i need to leave cloud and reenter or can i just stay in and let it run out

[river wing]

you can stay in

[glass heron]

Wheres my upperhand god talent : (

[strong shell]

Is the "FAQ" up 2 date? it says dispatch on 5 cp + and ks on 6+ and the pin says the direct opposite?

[near osprey]

wait so why do we want to bte and dispatch at 6? to be exact?

[river wing]

gone

[glass heron]

y ik its so sad

[river wing]

tbh the sad part IMO is that they didn't finish the changes properly
they cut a lot of stuff but never really covered the holes

[autumn blaze]

Does the optimization of holding BTE if ar is coming in 30s also works other way around or just send AR and ignore supercharged cps?

[glass heron]

pff i mean preparation in outlaw feels so weird to me

[cinder relic]

Prep should just be 2 charges

[glass heron]

what about getting cd reduction?

instead of 2 charges?

[quiet ore]

And not be capstone. Put it where menacing rush is.

[near osprey]

does anyone know why we bte or dispatch at 6? just to be exact

[cinder relic]

2 charges is better as it allows flexability

Lower CD just gives you more uptime which doesn't really address the inability for the spec to "move stuff around"

[river wing]

would be mandatory

like instantly

[river wing]

efficiency

you only have so many globals and so much energy

[near osprey]

ok

i see

if you were to do it at 5 all the time like strictly at 5 if you somehow did that

what woujld be the dps loss? cause currently its like half 6/7 and the other half is 5 for me

where im finishing

[river wing]

it's just less efficient/effective, but IDK the exact numbers

[near osprey]

fs ty

[novel isle]

isnt that in the FB section

[jagged plover]

if you mean this it's specifically says fatebound

[strong shell]

ah i missed that part, thanks for pointing it out 🙂

[glass heron]

wdym with move stuff around? if i may ask

[cinder relic]

Like being able to sit on charges of abilities is very powerful

Like if you know an intermission is happening

Being able to bank up an AR and a half would be very high value

[jagged plover]

@vivid vessel one trick bozo

[bold swift]

always BTE at 7 cps right ?

[jagged plover]

6+

[potent latch]

fun

[worldly shale]

distraction!

[worldly shale]

lmao what the fuck

[mighty pivot]

if only somebody gave them feedback about this cloud obscuring ground effects...

[cursive patrol]

Is there a reason to choose Shiv in the talent tree?

[mental beacon]

don't worry, they will fix it so that only we rogues have to deal with that bullshit

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[mighty pivot]

2 weeks to react to the particle effect issue, and 2 months for the hidden energy cost

[glass heron]

Why do we not stack vers anymore?

[patent mirage]

We need a new meme about the smoke

Like outlaw!

Imagine a raid with some outlaw rogues in covering everything

Smoke!

[jagged plover]

need haste for ADR gcd reduction, and crit has a ton of talent synergies

[tranquil ledge]

there is a lot of adds with rage in m+, so u can dispel it with shiv

[steel oxide]

how cooked would it be to use a 276 mh with a 285 oh dagger

[timid idol]

this goes to show how low iq meta only group formers are

these people don't even know what's changing around them in the game

[timid idol]

would have been an eternity for the cloud thing if it wasnt affecting other players

[worldly shale]

what spellqueue u guys using?

[lyric swan]

Maybe dumb question, but has some1 tested 2 Rouges with smoke? Can we extendo our buff Maybe

[frozen quest]

does anyone know out of zacs wa package why are there double feint and double step?

i have all the time a no feint on screen

[potent ore]

is there any reason to ever hold BTE?

[jagged plover]

if AR cd is under 30s left

[remote pecan]

Yeh if AR has < 30s left on cooldown to supercharge it.

[remote pecan]

Big brain question ive no idea how 2 trickster interact with 1 another.

[potent ore]

ty

[timid portal]

also its kinda crazy they refund the bonus rerolls

[elder sonnet]

yeah agree that’s wild

[timid portal]

if someone rolled 2x pit

as rogue

and didnt get duplicates

then you pretty much get every item from there

[jagged plover]

i mean the point is that those items weren't removed from pool if they did

[fading igloo]

I rolled 3x without dupes cuz vault was shit

[jagged plover]

so if they were lucky now they were probably going to get unlucky later

[fading igloo]

gonna see if I get dupes now, cuz they made it sound like the rolls werent removed from the pool

[timid portal]

they might give you back 3 then

[red tendon]

Is outlaw finaly getting more invites into M+?

[jagged plover]

the only time someone is up bigtime is if they rolled a dungeon/boss and got the only thing they need so they're never rolling on that dungeon/boss again

[timid portal]

i dont think there is single dungeon like that

you still have pieces that you cata

[jagged plover]

i mean gaze is probably the only case for a lot of classes

[fading igloo]

not dungeon but my gf rolled Stare on dragons, she can now just go bonus roll dungeons for free

[jagged plover]

ye that one also

[fading igloo]

it's kind of insane if you got lucky

[jagged plover]

in that case you're basically +2, assuming you did it before the fix

i assume they're only refunding before fix not before that announcement though

if you rolled before the fix then you deserve it for beta testing

[fading igloo]

yea only before fix, so like on reset day

[unique fulcrum]

anyone feeling the 13% yet

[fiery timber]

question

what im gonna do with Rtb?

[strong shell]

"The rule is: if :adr: Adrenaline Rush's cooldown is under 30s or so, then simply hold :bte: BtE until :adr: AR is cast, so that the BtE (and its potential apex reset) can be buffed by :talents_supercharger: Supercharger." the part with "potential apex reset" is that a mistake and should be its potential ace reset?

[worldly shale]

i did that xd

i should get it

[timid portal]

remember to roll in assa/sub for the dagger also

the only one with crit haste

[inner yacht]

here you prob get a new adrenaline rush in before rtb expires so i would rtb on 1 sec of loaded see if i get tier 3/4 and if not rtb again after ar

[worldly shale]

yeye would replace my crafted daggoor

[past stump]

is Bte buffed by heavy hitter ?

[formal thunder]

no

It only buffs CP generators in the strict sense

[river wing]

it is a bit misguiding wording

but it only applies to SS/PS

not sure if it applies to Deft BF, probably not...altho

[past stump]

not even KS ?

[river wing]

not even KS

[past stump]

gah damn

[formal thunder]

Any notable enemy abilities that become invisible when turning particle density off in M+? I'm already tired of the fart cloud

[river wing]

haven't seen any yet and I've been running with "essential" effects since day 1

[gaunt phoenix]

No but ace works too

Either one is a BtE reset that might be active in the moment

[worldly shale]

ok i think i got like

9 aces in a row just now

does that wa for counting aces still work hmmm

prob not

[quiet root]

the increased ace reset chance is so nice

now they just need to make it refund you back up to 6

[worldly shale]

yes

doing sinister or op inbetween

is shitty

[quaint kelp]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[lethal relic]

Is anyone else randomly losing their roll the bones buff?

[hollow tartan]

has happened to me a couple times

[lethal relic]

I thought I was going crazy but it has happened 3 times tonight during raid

[hollow tartan]

oof it's more of a one off for me

[lethal relic]

I have noticed it has only happened with a jackpot

[hollow tartan]

once like every 2 weeks and yeah it has happened on jackpots a lot

[lethal relic]

This is a really bad bug yikes

[inner yacht]

check pins

invisible rtb bug

[lethal relic]

Ah thank you

[novel isle]

both?

[slim hare]

you dont lose it its only cdm bugging out

[vivid vessel]

This video is insane for the law bad narrative

He is doing 0 damage

Goat

[vivid vessel]

Feint 2 and step 2 are the one working, the other ones are supposed to be not loaded, your forced them to load

[blissful idol]

You still have it just the icon disappears

[past stump]

at least they fixed the stealth sound thank god !

[turbid robin]

outlaw best spec rn

holy shit

[jagged plover]

idk maybe a famous wow content creator saying the spec feels ass will make them look at it

probably not though!

[frozen quest]

yea i loaded all i thought i need all ^^

figured it out already thx

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/marcos-bomba-humo-magic-disappear-gif-11061911

[frozen quest]

made some copy over from zac to my ui now im gucci to start

[rigid wadi]

i could be doing something wrong but im not getting any coup de grace finishers or its not showing as them

[crimson arch]

is it normal that im constantly energy starved, get wierd cp amounts refunded, have to pistol shot at like 5 cp bcs i got 6 stacks? This spec feels so fucking wierd since the redesign

[tacit totem]

why do we dispatch at 6 and not 5 now? also recommendations on places to use the voidcores?

[quiet root]

i'm also energy starved at times, and 6 stacks at 5 cp happens a decent amount if you get a lot of ace resets in a row

[violet osprey]

did they mention when they give the rerolls back ?

[quiet root]

hey at least we got 13% more damage 🙂

[mystic berry]

our bugs werent even listed in wowhead

how will blizzard know we are bugged

small indie company run by family

[cedar bone]

do you guys get easy entry in keys? like 14+`?

[brisk spear]

i wasnt starved once yet

[quiet root]

not even on 2-target?

maybe i'm suffering from an issue in the skill department

[brisk spear]

you dont starve on st why would you starve on 2 target

[quiet root]

because you have to maintain blade flurry but it only gives you 2 cp when pressed

[brisk spear]

yea but you dont spam it

[unkempt dew]

Just go brrrrr

[quiet root]

it's still more energy-intensive than the singletarget rotation

so that's why there could be a difference

[brisk spear]

maybe, i was fine on 2 target so far

[true jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1000234066324492368/1262981160150110219/cokebert.gif

[brisk spear]

why are you sipping the koka

[formal knot]

noo cokebert

[jagged plover]

i mean according to zac his profile wants 28% haste now

that's how bad energy is

[brisk spear]

then just play 28%

[quiet root]

i'm barely at 23

maybe i should start haste flasking

[jagged plover]

are you intentionally being obtuse or

[brisk spear]

no i dont get the problem x

[jagged plover]

if it wants more haste that means energy is worse

[brisk spear]

d

[jagged plover]

lol

[brisk spear]

yea but if more haste fixes it

where is the problem=

?

[jagged plover]

?

nvm

[brisk spear]

if its unfixable we can talk

[pearl topaz]

if the lack of energy didnt translate into big lows itd be less annoying

[unkempt dew]

You can always play BM

[jagged plover]

it doesn't fix it

it makes it less bad

[brisk spear]

all the energy talk sounds like a skill issue tbh, i know that sounds rude

[jagged plover]

at no level of haste are you not going to get energy starvation

maybe u like that because you have brainrot idk

[fervent garden]

this guy is killing me

[unkempt dew]

Im having a blast

[quiet root]

well if even zac is going over what was usually considered the haste cap just for energy, maybe there actually is something unrelated to skill there

that guy is pretty good at outlaw

[brisk spear]

if zac once said so, then it has to be the truth

sry mb

[jagged plover]

brain damage

[brisk spear]

[jagged plover]

you can just look at a sim or log and see energy levels

[unkempt dew]

Just ask Zac

Its easier

[brisk spear]

yes i will go ask your lord and saviour

[unkempt dew]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-nothing-magic-conch-magic-conch-nothing-gif-7727151451659903382

[gusty pewter]

yo guys how do I remove the debuff stuff under my nameplate bar? ayijie cdm I want to keep but I want to remove whats under, such as sated

[strong shell]

the highest ranked outlaw (tomvelvis) goes energy starved on some pulls doing +21's

[jagged plover]

skill issue fosure

[unkempt dew]

True true

Maybe he's not so great

[strong shell]

probably not

[mighty pivot]

I want to see logs of never being energy starved. For science of course...

[vivid vessel]

It doesn't

Have you entered a key as law

[brisk spear]

only weeklies, and lura i guess

didnt have time to do high keys on law yet

[slim hare]

if it doesnt get fixed, is going over 25% good or no then zac?

[brisk spear]

also was just talking from my experience, so if you do starve in 20s mb i guess

[vivid vessel]

Idk it makes it a bit better

Also haste doesn't sim higher than Crit it's just

It's not that much worse

So you can play haste

[quiet root]

prob feels better tho

[slim hare]

i see

ty vm

[vivid vessel]

Like haste doesn't become your best stat

[brisk spear]

i am at 25 ish and it feels real chill so far

[vivid vessel]

But I found that on longer sims it's within margin or like very minimal to just run lots of it ao

[slim hare]

yeah even at 23 % sim wants ;ore crit in my case

short sim tho, basic dslice

[vivid vessel]

Ye outlaw energy is very chill rn fr fr

Never been this bad

[slim hare]

call ytour contact

at blizzard or wowhead idk

get it fixed i beg

[jagged plover]

zac might be the worst person for that

[slim hare]

playing with ks doesnt actually feel that bad

[quiet root]

i'm not sure blizz likes zac all that much

[mighty pivot]

next rogue changes are in 12.1.7

[jagged plover]

realz probably left a note on his desk

[vivid vessel]

Blizzard loves me

[jagged plover]

"never listen to this fucking zac kid"

[novel isle]

Zac can you share your stats page? Curious how much you have of each

[vivid vessel]

With flask and weapons thingies I have like 27% haste

And 31 Crit I think

[quiet root]

btw i have a question. sometimes (e.g. with many ace procs) i'll find myself in the situation where i have 5 cp with blade flurry available. do i really bf at 5 cp?

seems to be implied by the priority list but it feels so bad to do

[unique fulcrum]

i have sleight and i swear to god 80% of my non loaded rolls are 1 buffs

[lavish lark]

What's the command to see opportunity proc usage priorities

[static geyser]

Do you guys prefer core rotation on number keys, letter keys, or on mouse? I know it’s personal but just curious

[jagged plover]

#1276307559061524652 message

all in #outlaw-faq

[lavish lark]

Thanks

Idk why i didnt think to check faq first

[inland cairn]

putting rotational buttons on your mouse is sociopath behaviour

[celest cobalt]

I dont understand guys wowhead guide says dont use bonus rolls on dreamrift if I only raid heroic.... but gaze(heroic) still sims miles ahead of all the myth track m+ trinkets, what am I missing?

[lavish lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009154353283731557/1305558104896704555/IMG_7172.gif

[hollow portal]

Does anyone know of an addon for Roll the Bone? I really miss Weekauras for simple things like this.

[celest cobalt]

Dont really need one

[quiet root]

i generally put core rotation on letters, utility on numbers, off-gcds on mouse

[unique fulcrum]

cuz u can get myth track gear from dungeons and roll twice

the gain from myth track pieces is higher than one gaze trinket that u MIGHT get in HC

[celest cobalt]

Oh I didn't realize a raid roll was 2x

[unique fulcrum]

yea it is

[celest cobalt]

Lame. Thanks

[worldly shale]

when we getting the

[unique fulcrum]

you're welcome

[worldly shale]

reroll

xd

[unique fulcrum]

they refunding by the end of the week

[worldly shale]

nice

[unique fulcrum]

so idk prolly monday or tuesday

[jagged plover]

only stuff i have on mouse buttons is feint and kidney

[worldly shale]

should do it before reset tbh

[unique fulcrum]

yea thats their plan i think

[karmic gust]

just tried fatebound and trickster on dummies i do 25k more overall with fatebound

[unique fulcrum]

î swear fatebound is just better

[quiet root]

i think for me the problem is that i'm worse at trickster

[karmic gust]

also less boring so i'll stay on fatebound lol

[quiet root]

i'm improving though

[karmic gust]

it has some getting used to for sure

[quiet root]

yeah and a lot of unlearning muscle memory

[unique fulcrum]

yea

[karmic gust]

like dispatch at 5cp lol

[unique fulcrum]

and energy is crazy

[quiet root]

i dispatched at 5 so many times first day

[karmic gust]

i didn't struggle with energy in the keys i did

maybe on one or two fights

[quiet root]

also i finally had the ss over ps at 1cp and 3opp rule for fatebound down

and now i have to ps again

[karmic gust]

i'll try fart cloud again on dummies just in case

[quiet root]

🙂

[karmic gust]

i legit had 0 bte resets on 4 AR with the dummies

[clever wasp]

@vivid vessel whats the reason to finish at +6 on dispatch

[worldly shale]

vibes

[vivid vessel]

real question is

[glass mortar]

u dont have coins anymore

[fickle urchin]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[vivid vessel]

what is the reason to finish at 5 with fatebound

fatebound has coins proccing at 5, not scaling with cps

[glass mortar]

coins + the dispatch amplifying talents

dispatch has a higher chance to match coins

puts more benifit in raw dispatch count

[clever wasp]

so if ur at 5 cp ur supposed to strike to get to 6+?

[glass mortar]

or PS if u have 6 opp

[vivid vessel]

outlaw in general always try to maximize cp expenditure which usually means building up the most it can

[karmic gust]

0 bte resets again after AR

tf is my luck

[glass mortar]

if it makes u feel any better

it literally doesnt matter

as trickster if u end up at 1 CP 3 opp, ur next two builder order is irrelevant

[clever wasp]

and what about bte, if u proc a 5 cp do u send to max or send at 5

[glass mortar]

the results are all the same

[glass mortar]

u build to max

er 6+

[clever wasp]

alright ty

[glass mortar]

ace doesnt change builder rules

[worldly shale]

did u try that wa that counts ace procs in a row, does it work still

[quiet root]

yeah that's what my intuition tells me too but i never thought much about it

[glass mortar]

yup

the rule matters for fatebound because it can increase the efficiency of its builders

trickster cant

[vivid vessel]

i can make it work

[glass mortar]

order doesnt matter

just press buttons on the gcd

[vivid vessel]

but didnt wanna bother

[glass mortar]

very silly hero talent

[vivid vessel]

you cant chain bte anymore so

[worldly shale]

ye that would make it

dummy

[glass mortar]

u can rarely

[worldly shale]

rarely

[glass mortar]

but its very rare yes

[worldly shale]

if the 20% procs

[glass mortar]

the 20% and ace at the same time ye

[quiet root]

worst thing about this patch tbh

[thorn plinth]

@vivid vessel my man how do you have + 3 stam on glove

[glass mortar]

u mean midnight

[vivid vessel]

[quiet root]

yes

[agile orchid]

what a surprise, zac abusing bugs again

[glass mortar]

its pretty dum

[clever wasp]

old enchants

[quiet root]

that's so cool

[worldly shale]

tbh tww rogue was gas, i miss crackshot

[clever wasp]

i miss tww sub so much

it was fun

[quiet root]

yeah crackshot + ace was so sick

[worldly shale]

hitting 6+ aces in a row

was GIGA

they couldve gotten us crackshot inside adr

hmm

[thorn plinth]

i miss aberrus sub the most minus the fucking beacon lol

[clever wasp]

[worldly shale]

oooooof

and no energy problems

[timber knoll]

crooked hook trinket is just bandolier 2.0??

[clever wasp]

thats last night bubba

[worldly shale]

wowies

[glass mortar]

my highest chain this expansion is 2

if u mean back to back btes

well maybe i had a 3 where i got too excited and fatfingered a bte at 5 CP in there so probably 3

but the 3 was a mistake

i love this game

[quiet root]

i will not deny having done this before

might still give you a reset though, in which case crisis averted

[jagged plover]

bro am i stupid how do i get my details window to just be like

live DPS

not segment not overall

it says overall no matter what i click

god i hate this addon bullshit

[glass mortar]

i mean

details is just a fancy skin over the blizzard meter

it cannot do anything the blizzard meter cannot

the blizzard meter is awful

[native tinsel]

did blizzard broke plater interrupt bar or i am the only one experiencing that?

[wintry solar]

I wouldn't be surprised

[near trout]

Hello, i was wondering if using the new bonus loot drop on pit of sarron is a good idea since there is a nice pool of item there ?

[bronze badge]

Yeah i use 2 time , 2 bis

Just lucky

[past stump]

Pit of saron is home

[near trout]

alr alr thanks guys

[placid ocean]

I wasn't thinking when I spent my bonus rolls, and forgot raid consumes 2 rolls

[earnest sphinx]

yo outlaw brahs

what would be the best dungeon to use bonusrolls on

(my law is naked 240ilvl)

[past stump]

Pit

[earnest sphinx]

no weapon

[past stump]

Pit has bis wrists, off-hand and neck

And ring

[worldly shale]

Craft wep

[earnest sphinx]

👍

need 30more crest

[gaunt phoenix]

I didn't wake up to 17 pings and dms about outlaw

[static crescent]

Anyone else struggling with Nexus point Q_Q

[worldly shale]

Outlaw fixed????

[earnest sphinx]

@gaunt phoenix how to play outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Freedom

[worldly shale]

Solo fixed

[static crescent]

Seems super hard

[earnest sphinx]

nice try bro

i got u

[gaunt phoenix]

[livid pewter]

first signs of gettin old

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix y r u so smart and ur FaQ so good

wait frick u already woke up

[frozen quest]

[earnest sphinx]

naked gaming

[frozen quest]

Atleast a tabard

[dense bolt]

i just resubbed to the game and apparently we just let a fartcloud out now ?

my god

[worldly shale]

Yes

Farty fart

https://tenor.com/view/fogo-no-rabo-gif-13543968498239727663

Literally us during ks

[frozen quest]

[dense bolt]

ok i just read

we playing trickster

fuck ks

unsubbing again

GGs

[frozen quest]

before subbing

[dense bolt]

nope

im against that

kek

[fickle urchin]

what we take in aa if 33crit 22 haste unbuffed

[unique fulcrum]

bro i keep trying to interrupt while using ks cuz i played warrior and u can do that while in bladestorm

[dense bolt]

wheres ross

is he still playing

[glass mortar]

nope

altho hes in here from time to time

he became a jobber

jobbin 24/7

[dense bolt]

what the helly

first army

now a job?

he changed

[jagged plover]

fake news

[dense bolt]

what about you weran

are u gaming

[jagged plover]

hes playing osrs

[glass mortar]

for another month or two, my sub expires in june

i was tempted to reup it but this patch threw that out the window

absolute dumpster + looks like we are stuck with trickster and poopfart cloud for the rest of the season

somehow they just keep making the game more shit

its kinda impressive sometimes

[dense bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[glass mortar]

im basically raid logging rn even tho half my gear isnt upgraded

i feel bad but i have no drive to login

[dense bolt]

passion gone

was the same for me with all the changes

[glass mortar]

passion taken out back and shot

[dense bolt]

decided to resub

to just see what it have gotten to

[glass mortar]

if this is what the 8 week patch cycle looks like then its a bit of a joke honestly its embarassing to release a patch like this

and yea they come out and apologize and yada yada and we'll do better

then they dont

[dense bolt]

yea i saw blizzard apoligized or some shit

[latent oak]

shoulda followed ur initial instinct and cancelled ur xpac purchase xdxd

[glass mortar]

can only say that so many times before i stop believing it

yea i shoulda

i mean i liked the leveling (not as outlaw)

i liked the story so far and the raid fights were cute

[dense bolt]

remembering peak outlaw crackshot df

never been so happy

all gone

[mystic berry]

my disorienting strikes is resetting after key

[glass mortar]

its a shame everything else around them in the game feels like dog/filler/content they dont care about

[jagged plover]

any season of df or tww had better gameplay than this shit

[latent oak]

outlaw was legit on a legandary run of fun rotations

[glass mortar]

its crazy to me we got like 1 serious iteration on crackshot design

[dense bolt]

dude i still remeber the goosebumps from reading crackshot/uhuh

[latent oak]

dfs2->tww s3 was all very very fun

[glass mortar]

with TWW s1

and it was even a tiny amount of iteration

[dense bolt]

peak wow

[glass mortar]

and then just binned

not even any talents to echo its gameplay

[jagged plover]

forum posters win again

if only they played the game

[dense bolt]

i think we dont realize how many people play this game who never posts and never make a sound

[glass mortar]

i do

[dense bolt]

and they just decided to hard cater into them

[glass mortar]

thats why i quit, it aint changing

[jagged plover]

i just cant imagine many of them being outlaws

[glass mortar]

if u arent enjoying the game or u think blizzard is an embarassement of a company for the way theyve handled much of midnight so far, only thing u can do is stop giving them ur money

it just happens to be both for me

[dense bolt]

amen

[glass mortar]

but i got my 70 bucks worth out of the time i had in midnight so, props to the art team and raid fights i wont fault those parts

i dont feel too burned. moreso just sad

[latent oak]

o7

[dense bolt]

ok is it just me

or did housing just flop

like on midnight launch

cuz it launched just before it

[glass mortar]

well yes/no? i mean the housing itself is great from what i hear. people have made some amazing designs

but then once u do ur design there isnt much reason to actually... go to ur house ever

thats the major complaint ive seen, other then that its just the awful aquisition system of unlocking furniture

[dense bolt]

yea in my head when i first saw they were releasing housing i thought the houses would be much closer and shit

[latent oak]

crazy that target dummies cant be used in hideout

[vivid vessel]

housing

[glass mortar]

there will be a usable training dummy in the cash money shop within the next expac

[dense bolt]

staph it !

[glass mortar]

id stake my gold on it

[vivid vessel]

housing was designed for casuals to buy the expansion and never login ever after

[dense bolt]

when we getting zac house tour

[glass mortar]

30 bucks for a usable dummy u can place in ur house

[vivid vessel]

achieved their goals

ruined the game but got more people buying it

so

[glass mortar]

bonus points if it disables all the jank preventing details from working and u can only have accurate details in ur house

[dense bolt]

ok but imagine how many are just on their couch decorating their home with a controller

holy schmokes

W

[tepid sorrel]

what do we do when we get ace reset at 5? do we ps, ss or just send 5cp bte?