outlaw

[pliant wave]

I play wow because of playing outlaw

[vivid vessel]

there is no real alternative

short term

long term maybe you get a good stated head in vault one day

[tropic zephyr]

he didn't get seat head in vault

[vivid vessel]

(impossible)

[tropic zephyr]

smh

[vivid vessel]

maybe the tech is

hold 10 coins

and reroll in seat

[fossil lintel]

Yeah i have 1% more crit 😂

but less mast and vers

that's haste flasked as well but no weapon oils

[vivid vessel]

i think you would want to have this one

easier access

[fossil lintel]

for AA, do we go haste buff and crit flask?

[mighty pivot]

but then you have to make up for 70+ haste

[vivid vessel]

i think you will have plenty of haste

[fossil lintel]

since the haste buff there is multiplicative from what i've heard?

[vivid vessel]

if you use lura ring

and crown neck

[mighty pivot]

if you can have lura ring you can have lura head too

which is only haste

[vivid vessel]

against fuu profile

[glass mortar]

all % haste buffs should be multiplicative even PI and lust

[vivid vessel]

i guess

[glass mortar]

i believe AA gives flat % buffs right not rating

[mighty pivot]

yes

[fossil lintel]

Yes but % haste buff are weird no?

[frail veldt]

wat why

[fossil lintel]

Aren't they always multiplicative?

[glass mortar]

because they do wdym

haste buffs have always acted like this

[frail veldt]

oh I thought you meant they "should" be as in its better

[glass mortar]

it is better

[frail veldt]

you meant should as in "youre confident that"

[glass mortar]

also its not truly multiplicative

[fossil lintel]

They straight up are better

[glass mortar]

idk what u call it

[frail veldt]

gotcha

I misread should

[vivid vessel]

but i more meant like

short term

its prolly real to have hc ring

from lura

long term sure

[stuck magnet]

Zac, do you know if there is a way to change the combo point color to something else once you hit 6+ combo points?

[glass mortar]

but yes the 4% or w/e u get from AA would actually be 4% + (4% of your current haste)

[vivid vessel]

you can roll on lura and if you get head

[mighty pivot]

just run 35% haste tbh

[frail veldt]

I think its a little funny that haste buffs do more the more haste you have

[vivid vessel]

maybe gear around it

[mighty pivot]

energy sucks

[glass mortar]

which is a very small degree better

it matters more with big haste buffs

[frail veldt]

feels goofy

vers doesnt work like that

nor does crit

[glass mortar]

its just haste ye

[frail veldt]

feels off

[glass mortar]

idk why, its just always been this way

maybe because back in the day haste was the most hit or miss stat since they didnt dedicate as much design to making it work for people

like 10 years ago when specs still existed that didnt scale with haste u know

[mighty pivot]

well damage increases are also multiplicative

[frail veldt]

prob some relic of how they coded it

[frail veldt]

wat

[paper finch]

Thinking of leveling my 80 rogue soon, does outlaw feel better to play after the patch or is it pretty much the same but with lots of smoke lol?

[frail veldt]

are they really?

[glass mortar]

worse to play

u do better numbers tho

[frail veldt]

I thought its situational?

[fossil lintel]

They are

[glass mortar]

and if u try to play the strong build while leveling its probably going to be ass

[frail veldt]

feels worse but you do more damage lol

[fossil lintel]

but as far as AA is concerned: is the play there haste buff + crit flask to abuse the extra haste, or just haste flask + crit buff?

[glass mortar]

but leveling is easy so just play fatebound anyway

i mean do u need the extra haste

extra haste only matters if ur getting some value from it

[fossil lintel]

Yes

[glass mortar]

once u have enough energy and ur gcd capped its still worthless

[fossil lintel]

energy sucks

[glass mortar]

so try it

🤷

[frail veldt]

ive been doing the latter

[harsh mountain]

I use ACDM and it lets you customize your CP bar with colors at certain point thresholds etc

[glass mortar]

see if it makes a noticable difference

[mighty pivot]

as in: two separate 10% damage buffs end up being a 21% increase

[fossil lintel]

Like we're discussing using haste flask with base 24% haste

just to not feel so bad

[glass mortar]

yea

[frail veldt]

ah I had no idea

[glass mortar]

zac simmed like a 45m sustain "dungeon" thingy

and found 28% haste and 24% haste to be like margin of error in sims

so im def gunna grab more haste

[frail veldt]

the question is

which one has less variance

I assume the more haste

[glass mortar]

should be the one with haste

ur giving up stats that are just damage for it

[frail veldt]

so if its no dps loss but less variance then sign me up

[fossil lintel]

the question is which one has less downtime

[glass mortar]

also the one with haste

[frail veldt]

prob the more haste yeah

I figure downtime/variance are interchangeable

like high downtime results in more variance

[glass mortar]

i mean i dont see how more haste could ever lead to more downtime since no other secondary is involved with resources at all

and haste only gives us more of them

[frozen quest]

How do I put a line in ayje cdm on my Energy Bar ? At 50 Energy?

[fossil lintel]

variance leads to downtime, bad rng -> no energy

[glass mortar]

well bad rng is part of ur variance

[fossil lintel]

exactly what i said

[glass mortar]

i wonder how much of our variance is actual gameplay vs pure numbers now a day

my guess for trickster would be more then for fatebound since coins are gone

[mighty ferry]

i feel like my dispatch damage is low compared to sim iterations
(training dummy 5 target)

[wide heath]

btw is fatebound still playable or too far behind ?

[blazing field]

i do 20 % less dmg with trickster

[glass mortar]

i mean it isnt worse then it was last week

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/96C9ko3Z6MHjxzokCFrYqX @mighty pivot this is 26% haste

[mighty pivot]

dispatch is a smaller % now. both because it's split between dispatch and coup as trickster, but also because we drop summarily and PS hits for 10 million. I don't remember if the sim groups coup and dispatch

[glass mortar]

but trickster is substantially stronger

over 10% ahead which to most would be considered unplayable

[tulip basin]

Random question but is it worth using bonus rolls for H gaze?

[glass mortar]

if u know u'll never have access to a mythic one i believe it beats many myhtic trinkets but i dont know if it beats all of them

[mighty ferry]

correct but in comparison to my simulations my dispatch is way lower, the sim still splits up cdg and dispatch

[glass mortar]

not having access to mythic raid trinkets makes it more reasonable

[distant zinc]

with trickster build, do i roll at 2 outside of loaded dice to try to get to 3 ever?

[tulip basin]

Appreciate it

[glass mortar]

dont believe so, no

[mighty pivot]

then I suggest that you log your runs and see how much it diverges in casts etc. It's near impossible to draw conclusions from in game damage meters

[amber forum]

I have a lot of Mastery on my gear, right?

[frail veldt]

ye

change your plumje

its an on use

[normal aurora]

Hey guys, have we tried using shiv with toxic stiletto to go from 5 -> 6 CP on finishers to conserve energy?

[frail veldt]

it will shift to crit

[mighty pivot]

make a memebuild with as much haste as possible

[frail veldt]

what if its better

and we run 30+% haste

[mighty pivot]

then ryu is redeemed

[frail veldt]

ryu left

then applied to blizzard

to make rogue what it is today

[mighty pivot]

that would explain cloud cover tbh

[shut lichen]

explains a lot

[native tinsel]

was this known
https://x.com/Wowhead/status/2047327131081072797?s=20

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

In an unannounced change, the Eyes of the Eagle ring enchants have been buffed to provide more critical strike damage in Patch 12.0.5!

#Midnight #Warcraft

https://t.co/213PlvVEUJ

X · Apr 23, 2026, 2:50 PM

[vivid vessel]

y

[frail veldt]

wat rofl

[shut lichen]

not to him^

[native tinsel]

oh, nice

[frail veldt]

wonder why

[mighty pivot]

yes but it's still funny

[wintry solar]

I asked, he won't play outlaw again until KS is deleted

[frail veldt]

LOL

I had no idea he still played

[mighty pivot]

because rounding was making the tooltip very confusing (both showed 1%)

[frail veldt]

aaah

interesting

[wintry solar]

He hates new KS just as much I'm pretty sure

[frail veldt]

why does it say a percent

and not a rating

...

[mighty pivot]

so instead of fixing their tooltips, they buff the enchant

[frail veldt]

fuckwits

[mighty pivot]

it's crit damage

[frozen quest]

Do we need to re enchant rings?

[glass mortar]

because its crit damage

there is no such thing as crit damage rating

[mighty pivot]

maybe there should be...

[glass mortar]

true....

[lucid sparrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/eyes-of-the-eagle-ring-enchants-buffed-in-patch-12-0-5-381354

we getting buffed!!

[glass mortar]

id rate my crit damage as at least a 2.5/10 what about u ninja...

[mighty pivot]

crit damage rating would go hard with zero in and PS being like 60-80% crit rate

[frozen quest]

I just re enchanted

[frail veldt]

OOOOOH

I had no idea

[glass mortar]

wow imagine not reading tooltips

[frail veldt]

crit damage must go hard

[glass mortar]

definitly not the same for me

until 2 weeks ago

[frail veldt]

lolololol

[glass mortar]

get with the times mewo

but yea its cute and probably our best enchant now? altho i kinda wanna go double haste

i want 28% natty haste

32% for cleave fights with flask

fuk trickster

only positive i have to say about it was i was on the verge of rerupping my sub before it expires in 2 months because I wanted to keep raidin but if this is how outlaws gunna be for s1 i am no longer tempted

so its helping my wallet in a way ig

[frail veldt]

LOL

thats a nice bright side

I preferred when the spec was undertuned but fun to play

[brisk tusk]

do we KIR at 2 or 3 now with trickster?

[proven surge]

3+

[blissful idol]

any raid talent changes since buffs?

[zinc dust]

Just a question, I am currently running 2 maces for weapons. Should I aim to swap out my offhand asap to a dagger?

[blissful idol]

as in we still play aoe talents for bosses with adds or not worth

[frail veldt]

yes

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[zinc dust]

Thank you!

[sterile sierra]

If i dont like playing with preperation, where should i put that talent into? Sleight of hand?

[gaunt phoenix]

should already have sleight

can get acro

[sterile sierra]

ahhhhh thanks

[prisma heron]

Think Outlaw will blow up now? I feel like outlaw had good tuning in TWW (for m+ at least) but people still didn’t play it cause it’s not as simple

[frail veldt]

it prob wont

its not nearly good enough when youre playing only averagely to have a lot of fotms

I think playing outlaw at like an average skill level still has it performing worse than a lot of specs

[prisma heron]

Think that’s what I like outlaw most. It’s kind of fotm proof lol

[cinder relic]

It's competitive now

[sterile obsidian]

Would you guys take a mythic chest from vault or mythic back (high crit+vers with avoidance proc)? Obviously the chest would be better, since its a chest, but I dont know how good an avoidance proc on a bis item is

[cinder relic]

The God comps are already figured out, nobody is gonna reroll to outlaw atp

[prisma heron]

And pirate theme is awesome. Though I changed my rogue to Tauren and I hate the way that pirate tier looks on him

[cinder relic]

Esp when Devourer, udk both got buffed

[frail veldt]

I ignore terciaries unless items wouold otherwise be equivalent

[cinder relic]

But if u wanna play outlaw it's like, solid now

[frail veldt]

but with the reroll system you could argue that a myth chest could be acquired in other ways

[sterile obsidian]

yea, I think cuz of the reroll system I would rather take the bis back with proc

[frail veldt]

so could be a case to take the avoidance

though tbh

avoidance on outlaw isnt that needed imo

leech is better

we have insane aoe dr

but we die to rot

[sterile obsidian]

yea, idk, hard call

[frail veldt]

esp from dots so leech is pretty strong

[lyric hull]

so normal people must not play outlaw?

[frail veldt]

Wym

[plain whale]

Do you think it's the best M+ spec for Rogue? I mostly do keys.

[lyric hull]

@frail veldt i dont understand that message

[fleet dragon]

is there a cdm profile for outlaw in the faq?

[frail veldt]

Which one?

[frail veldt]

Assa is probably better in high high keys

[cedar bone]

somone got a banger cdm setup for me?

mine is dogpoop

[lyric hull]

this one

[frail veldt]

I'm saying take an averagely skilled player. Put them on outlaw vs same player on some other meta spec like uhdk or demo and the outlaw loses most likely

[cinder relic]

Idk there's a lot of hype around sin but all of them seem very solid now

[lyric hull]

agree to disagree :/

[plain whale]

KiR at 2 or 3?

[frail veldt]

3 for trickster

[winter falcon]

That's me right now. My frost mage blows it out of the water right now

[frail veldt]

That's normal just keep practicing haha

It's how outlaw has always been

[jolly geyser]

Just get it 1 run bruv

[frail veldt]

Well since the Df s3 rework at least

[keen belfry]

i still think u ignore kir at 3 rule kinda often

i kir at 2 decently often

[frail veldt]

That's how I feel

If my adr is like 1.5min CD left

I'm kiring the stage 2

[keen belfry]

and for sure in ST

[frail veldt]

I'd rather not be in hell

I KiR vibe roll to not be miserable

[keen belfry]

if you cant use BF as max generator, you shuld kir a 2 basically

[winter falcon]

yall playing killing spree or nah? Its clunky feeling

[feral egret]

sometimes killing spree is not popping a smoke, is that a a bug?

[keen belfry]

ar pops smoke

[frail veldt]

2% loss to drop KS as trickster I believe

[keen belfry]

not ks cuh

[jagged plover]

u need 30 energy tho

[plain whale]

With the capstone, you just react to it right? You don't really need to do any tracking etd?

[gleaming reef]

Is the 30 energy AR intended?

They needa fix ><

[frail veldt]

Prob a bug

Cuz distract is what used to proc the talent

And they reused it's spell coding

Distract costs 30 energy

[fluid meadow]

is it a gameplay mistake to have jackpot at this low count or lowroll?

[keen belfry]

naw cuh u have supe rhigh triple threat, thats good rolls

[gleaming reef]

Hope they hotfix soon

[keen belfry]

jackpot bis and more vibes, but 3 is very good

[fluid meadow]

ok so 3rd and 4th stage should be like 55%+ togeether and it's fine?

[inland meteor]

hehe

[keen belfry]

cant thikn this way, its all roll rng

[formal thunder]

the added crit chance of Jackpot doesn't do anything rotation wise, right? It's just added damage, or am I missing an crit interaction with something?

[inland meteor]

nah just keep pumpin

[grim steppe]

do the stat on outlaw change for m+ and raid

[jolly geyser]

nah

[grim steppe]

nice

[somber fractal]

bonus rolls fixed yet?

[jolly geyser]

should be

[vivid vessel]

blizzard said it was

should you trust blizzard?

personal choice

[somber fractal]

ill guinea pig it np

[jagged plover]

i just hit what i need first try

[inland acorn]

apparently its not fixed

[jagged plover]

so no need for it gg

[jolly geyser]

[inland acorn]

Guildie had same loot twice from bonus roll and already got Ai response

[proven surge]

Live testers will always have a big place in my heart

[inland acorn]

Honestly if we keep going like this

I will be surprised if this game boots at all in season 3

If we even get there

[vivid vessel]

ok but he rolled before hotfix?

[inland acorn]

after

[formal thunder]

did they use both rolls after patch? or one before one after?

[vivid vessel]

the first one @inland acorn

[inland acorn]

both after patch

[vivid vessel]

hm

[formal thunder]

oof

[vivid vessel]

gege !

[outer meteor]

i clicked bonus roll on chimerus last night

[echo tapir]

sadly the hotfix isnt retroactive

[outer meteor]

am i cooked

[inland acorn]

probably

[proven surge]

You hoped to have gaze bro

?

[keen belfry]

why would htat be cooked!

[inland acorn]

because game is cooked

[outer meteor]

because it might be bugged

no?

[vivid vessel]

i mean chamerus ios a good roll option if you dont have gaze

[vivid vessel]

true

gg

[outer meteor]

i could get same item next week

[inland acorn]

its over for you

you need new char now

gg

[vivid vessel]

do you have proof

of

[formal thunder]

blizz said they looking into it if and how they reimburse people affected

[vivid vessel]

roll

[echo tapir]

you have a chance to get the same item again yes

[vivid vessel]

twice after

[thorny zinc]

I think thats m+ only bug that happens with diff key lvl right

[vivid vessel]

hotfix

[thorny zinc]

will it apply to raid?

[vivid vessel]

im suspicious

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry did you also send it yday cuh

?

[fluid meadow]

raid costs 2 so doesnt matter

[inland acorn]

I don't think he took screenshots, but pretty sure he didnt rolled yesterday

[jolly geyser]

maybe it deletes all of your bank again

[formal thunder]

sooo, might get lucky, might get fucked and maybe have the item you already have still be in loot pool

[tiny maple]

I've had maybe 30 minutes to play since Tuesday. But what is this post that our stats were reweighted? Is that true or reddit nonsense?

[vivid vessel]

it does matter when you get to boss next week

and get the same item

[formal thunder]

on another note, with Gaze acquired. Do you guys think Beloren is puggable?

[vivid vessel]

[outer meteor]

it does matter what

if its bugged

[keen belfry]

yes

[outer meteor]

well

[glass mortar]

wasnt about outlaw

[outer meteor]

we are fucked together then

[echo tapir]

its not bugged anymore...

[glass mortar]

also way overstated from what ive heard but i think it was about sub

[proven surge]

Mythic?

[tiny maple]

Got it. It just said Rogue and didn't specify.

[formal thunder]

ye

[inland acorn]

Nah

[keen belfry]

u gotta read the posts bro

[vivid vessel]

mythic belo

[proven surge]

I doubt it

[vivid vessel]

[spring cloak]

how do you track which buff you rolled with RtB?

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

it just said rogue so naturally u came to outlaw discord

[vivid vessel]

pug

[keen belfry]

u cant just read rolls ar ebugged and thats it

[glass mortar]

the only true rogue spec

[vivid vessel]

good luck br o

[glass mortar]

big W

[formal thunder]

[outer meteor]

i cant read bro

[inland acorn]

Even if your pug spent whole day on belo, you probably won't kill it

[outer meteor]

i said that before

[vivid vessel]

good guild take 2/3 days prog on it lol

pug aint killing that shit

[inland acorn]

ye

[compact zephyr]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[glass mortar]

thats old command

u can probably macro most direct damage trinkets now

since they r annoying to track anyway

obviously if u wanna try to line it up with damage taken buffs or anything on a boss u wuldnt want it macrod tho

[vivid vessel]

weron !

imm make pastas

ok

[glass mortar]

im having nyc pizza rn

🥰

[vivid vessel]

nice !

kinda huge !

[glass mortar]

literally

this places slices r massive

and cheap even for nyc

r8 my slices zac

i got a vodka and plain slice

🤤

[inland acorn]

btw kinda stupid question, but is invisible rtb only for icon, or it's also disappearing with progress bar ?

[proven surge]

What taste is that supposed to be

the middle one

[thorny zinc]

god nyc pizza clears

[glass mortar]

vodka sauce

[tender tulip]

hi,, is it possible in CDM, or other addon to make KIR, or RtB glow under certain conditions?

[elder river]

says PREP can eb removed for Acrobatic Strikes for both trickster builds, but the ST trickster already has AS?

[jolly geyser]

vodka sauce is tasty

[boreal terrace]

Is it normal to feel like my eyes are locked on my bar while I play this spec?

First dps I've wanted to play for real in retail and I feel like my eyes are always staring at my CdG stacks or checking RtB rolls or watching for BtE resets lol

Maybe it is just a question of getting better muscle memory but it would be nice if I could make a sound play when dispatch switches to coup or something like that

[glass mortar]

well theres no reason to track CdG stacks

[proven surge]

Why would you watch CdG ?

[glass mortar]

no rules are impacted by them

rtb u should just need to check when u press it basically and lightly monitor duration because the moment u get ur result you know if ur gunna be rerolling on cd (1 buff) or sitting on it for awhile

[jagged plover]

u can maybe make your life easier by having combo points light up different colour when 6+ since we always finish 6+ with everything

unless u wanna do the 5 on ks

that helps a bit with peripheral view rather than staring for me

[inland acorn]

I mean what else are you going to look at

[echo tapir]

CdG what is that lol im so bad with the acronyms

[inland acorn]

Smoke you just dropped from AR ?

[glass mortar]

coup de grace

[inland acorn]

[echo tapir]

ah

[grand dune]

How do you do this?

[jagged plover]

well im using zacs m33kaura for combo points

i just made 6/7 be green when active

[grand dune]

Fair, I’ll look into thanks!

[echo tapir]

theres like 100 different acronyms so its aids to track

[grand dune]

I’m using Sensai resource tracker and the bar is pretty good on that

[jagged plover]

you can definitely end up tracking too much stuff though and it just gets in the way

[inland acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463195558020907052/1478267233137590323/image.png?ex=69eb03a5&is=69e9b225&hm=3b16bb0cab76de5b177f4995474d2c331733e471b8bbd5781a38eaf672d06963

[grand dune]

I think my biggest issue is tracking opportunity at 3 or 6, the best way seems the buff bar not the icon, but not a big fan of it tbh

[jagged plover]

outlaw is one of those classes where getting a UI that works for you matters a lot more than others imo

[inland acorn]

Hmm seems its not updated with coup

[echo tapir]

yeah i know there was section somewhere that lists it but i couldnt find it

[inland acorn]

gg

it's in #outlaw-faq under bugs and misc

[echo tapir]

ah

yeah was looking ty

[ebon solar]

guys at aoe opener we dont care about the bf cps right? we send it after ar for supercharged bte

[summer nimbus]

Can u change cp color at 6+ in better cdm

[echo tapir]

wtf blade flurry cant cleave the killing blow...

[glass mortar]

nope

[echo tapir]

and that seems so random like one of those bugs that will take multiple xpacs to fix

thats awesome

[glass mortar]

well the funny part is

[jagged plover]

welcome to rogue

[glass mortar]

that was actually the fix to a bug

the bug was blade flurry hitting corpses of mobs and doing way less damage then intended

[boreal terrace]

that's mb i brain farted i meant tracking ps stacks not cdg lol

[echo tapir]

jesus

[glass mortar]

so now it doesnt hit corpses

but also if it makes the corpse it wont hit either

unfort but better then the alternative

[boreal terrace]

guess it's just a matter of maybe blowing up ps and bte on the cdm to be huge

[echo tapir]

im not new to rogue by any means just blizzard never ceases to amaze me with their bs

[rugged robin]

hey guys, what are some good dungeons/items (only doing m+) to use the bonus loot on?

[inland acorn]

Pit has good stuff

[jolly geyser]

The Pitt

[unkempt anvil]

sims say this is correct???

[rugged robin]

and for main hand we would want a crafted with embellishment or a myth track?

[inland acorn]

there's no way

link the sim

[lavish wagon]

wym eagle's eyes is 1% upgrade per ring compared to haste

nightly sim accurate regarding this ?

[inland acorn]

eagle's eyes got buffed

it's very strong now

[glass mortar]

eagles eye got buffed and we crit alot so crit damage is good for us

[lavish wagon]

i know but 1% for a ring enchant is insanely strong

[glass mortar]

its hard to directly compare crit damage to secondaries

[inland acorn]

well, they buffed the fuck out of it so

[inner meadow]

is outlaw still trash with aug?

[cinder relic]

eyes of the eagle was already best

and then they buffed it so

Free dmg

[glass mortar]

no

[gusty topaz]

I’ve pmuch had those two ring enchants on all my toons since the start. Crit dam is way too hard to come by in the game. Very few sources

[naive river]

how much haste raiting is it to reach 21-23% lol

[reef forge]

is there any way to remove this buff in the ayije cdm?

[inland acorn]

stop tracking it in cdm

[reef forge]

i did that and its still there

[inland acorn]

are you sure

you untracked it from both

spells and buffs ?

[vivid vessel]

in buffs

not in cd

remove it

[reef forge]

ok got it

ty

[echo tapir]

if i wanted to blanket sim for m+ what style would yall recommend

[fleet dragon]

anyone know in ayije cdm how to unanchor essential cooldowns from utility cooldowns?

[inland acorn]

dungeon slice

[glass mortar]

it depends what ur trying to blanket sim m+ for

if u just wanna optimize gear dslice is fine

just realize its output is not supposed to represent anything realistic for ur spec or a dungeon or overall dps

if u wanna look for realistic outputs for m+ to compare to ur end of key stuff... good luck

people do stuff with dungeonroute sims but it seems like alot

[gaunt phoenix]

lately it seems that slice will underestimate haste as 6 minutes is not enough to exhaust thistle tea

at least like a dungeon would

With dungeonroute it seems you can get away with like 28% haste

[keen belfry]

how can sim dungeoin route

[vivid vessel]

there is still the weak aura

[echo tapir]

sadly dont have a team like that and dungeon route simming is too sweaty for me

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i dont htink its so much about dungeon route simming

but more that there is no other ways to have an actual long sim

for dungeons

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

and dungeon routes are like 45min

https://wago.io/LTwpBiuz_

arguably its too long

but what can you do

vbetter than 6

i think after a while tea become stable anyway

and then charges stop mattering you are perma on low charges

[gaunt phoenix]

so

they are not actually 45 minutes

[vivid vessel]

ah really

[gaunt phoenix]

you set max_time=2700 which is when it will cut off if you take too long

[vivid vessel]

i see

[gaunt phoenix]

but the mobs have a health bar

so they still die when they die

you feel me

[vivid vessel]

ye i know

i just thought

it took 45 min

[keen belfry]

let me try this

this is too much work but finme

[craggy barn]

did u know thistle tea casts count as thistle tea consumption in the achievements stats page

[gaunt phoenix]

the final dps number might be dmg/45

not sure

but that doesnt matter ig

[vivid vessel]

35 min this one

i guess

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[vivid vessel]

which is somewhat reasonable

dungeons nowadays are falling under 30 but

its alright

[gaunt phoenix]

at least for outlaw the route prob doesnt matter much

anything that remotely resembles a key will have similar results

[quaint wharf]

holy ptsd

[keen belfry]

do u literally just paste the route from mdt in footer

shoutout WAs

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[inland acorn]

@vivid vessel How can i change size of cdm icons in your profile ? Changing it in ayjie, doesn't seem to stick

[gaunt phoenix]

but you dont need these three lines

[inland acorn]

Are you adjusting it with WA ?

nvm found it in Ayije_cdm

[vivid vessel]

yes

its in the weak aura

[inland acorn]

sry for ping

[vivid vessel]

there is no other way to have per spec things

in ayjee

[inland acorn]

i see

[vivid vessel]

unless you make a whole diff profile

per spec

which is giga annoying

[hardy garden]

So since we only spend cp's at 6, if I dispatch and get 5 cp am I pistol shotting to 7?

[gaunt phoenix]

you build cps yes, but not always pistol shot

just whatever builder is prio

[hardy garden]

Follow up question - when we get bte reset at 5, do we pistol shot / dispatch into BTE and send BTE at 6-7?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you build to the next bte

[noble escarp]

hello new outlaw rogue here. When BtE resets but only gets to 4 cp am i supposed to just keep using BtE until it stops, or use a generator to get to 6-7 then hit it again?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you build to the next bte

[hardy garden]

ty, new cp spender changes feel so counter intuitive so i had to maek sure

[noble escarp]

whoops just saw same qustion

[gaunt phoenix]

[native tinsel]

Does it matter the time period that we press the procced BTE?

[glass mortar]

no

[native tinsel]

(This can be just a UI thingy) but when it procs, it glows. Is it just showing that the cd was reseted or does it mean that if we press while its glowing the chance of a new reset is higher or something like that?

[glass mortar]

i mean yes technically because outlaw is about being fast and u dont wanna delay any of ur button presses but it doesnt impact ur decision making on actually casting it or not

it means nothing

blizzard ui is dumb

the basic proc for PS only shows u if any PS procs are up doesnt even let u know how many

[native tinsel]

oh no, just for example, BF for uptime in packs or BR coming off cd which has higher prio

[reef forge]

i updated everything, whats all the funky glowing stuff? and the dash in energy?

[keen belfry]

i started my sim already wtih thse enabled

[glass mortar]

well if BF fell off and you are in aoe it has higher prio then anything

[keen belfry]

u like waste my sim time?

[glass mortar]

and then BR is in its prio as a cooldown so you'd use that next

[rugged eagle]

yo does coup de grace take prio over BTE or is it still just where dispatch is on prio list

[glass mortar]

coup doesnt change prios at all

dont need to pay attention to it

[rugged eagle]

lmao cool

[inland meteor]

the dash in energy is tea activation threshold

[noble escarp]

Do you guys save BtE ever for gravedigger procs? for M+? Or not really worth to track?

[glass mortar]

u dont save it no

but u should track because gravedigger is a delayed proc

[glad fiber]

It's outlaw easier now than what it was in DF? lol

[glass mortar]

and you might messup on some bosses/if ur not in melee and u cast BtE without noticing you have the stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

no, you bte when it is prio

only reason to track it is so you know it's about to happen

[glass mortar]

you dont get the refund until the projectile hits

[glass mortar]

yes

i mean every spec in the game is so its not surprising that was sorta the goal of the expac

[gaunt phoenix]

could be harder than season 1 df

[glass mortar]

oh true well there was basically two different outlaws in df

so depends which one u mean

[keen belfry]

all haste gems for dungeons @gaunt phoenix thoughts?

[gaunt phoenix]

huge difference

[keen belfry]

but im confused it wants haste gems but crit flask?

[gaunt phoenix]

but yes the long sims like haste a bit more

[keen belfry]

so i go down in haste?

[glass mortar]

babysteps

[keen belfry]

did i not sim a flask

[gaunt phoenix]

link it

[frail veldt]

So for m+ consistent performance haste seems to be pretty hot

[keen belfry]

i didnt sim a flask FUCK

[glass mortar]

s m h

[frail veldt]

I just want to avoid the low rolls

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, but not like 30%

it seems 28% haste is fine

[glad fiber]

Then I must have had a stroke or something lol, I mained outlaw in s3 of DF and now I suck at this lol, I feel like im playing with high input lag

[glass mortar]

oh well the game as a whole has decayed is what it feels like to me

[inland meteor]

do you guys think outlaw is getting invited less to pugs due to smoke cloud? i feel like its worse now than before patch

[glass mortar]

SS proc now has a noticable ~0.4s delay

bte proc delay

gcd stutter

none of this is designed spec difficulty tho

but for a spec all about pressing buttons and reacting as fast as possible

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think knowledge of smoke cloud has yet spread like a pandemic

[mighty pivot]

45% haste and drop tea for CBT

[glass mortar]

it certainly is more noticable

[keen belfry]

im doing this wrong

[glad fiber]

Didn't know that lol, thats anoying

[keen belfry]

okay i fixed it brb

[blissful idol]

sheeesh

[mighty pivot]

gotta go fast

[stiff idol]

So should i try my luck getting a fat 1h with my Bonus rolls? Outlaw sick again?

[vivid vessel]

haste is always worse than crit kinda

but like

on longer sims

its basically the same

even if its worse

so why not play haste right

more fun !

more dps !

[proven ocean]

Ryu entered the chat

[reef forge]

what is the green markers on your energy bar zac?

[vivid vessel]

tea

charges

do you not like it :(

[reef forge]

i just updated and wasn't sure what it was

[blissful idol]

we do like it but i dont have it on my cdm

can u update it pls

[vivid vessel]

wd7ym

[trail cape]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen belfry]

random maisra sim

[blissful idol]

idk is it the rogue wa's?

maybe i need to update those

[novel isle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20966221

[vivid vessel]

its a weak aura ye

not cdm

[reef forge]

you need to manually update

[keen belfry]

i think i need haste gems for keys

[blissful idol]

ah i haven't updated those in like 2 weeks

[keen belfry]

even if small upgrade

[blissful idol]

will check later

[keen belfry]

probs more vibes

[novel isle]

They just secret buffed the crit gems

[keen belfry]

crit enchant

ntlil cuh

[novel isle]

same thing

[cinder relic]

Outlaw fs wants the double socketed ring and the pure haste helmet right

[keen belfry]

in keys yuh

but i think good everywhere

[vivid vessel]

double socketed ring yes

rest is wahtever

you can make multiple sets that sim the same

wioth crit vers head

or full haste head

but its prolly way easier

to get the haste hel from lura

tho i say that but

[tawny dagger]

gotta kill it first tho

[vivid vessel]

this would be your number of rolls in keys

to get head

idk which you get first

[tawny dagger]

all good i got it in vault this week

[obsidian walrus]

!UI

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[normal quail]

does anyone know if crucilble got buffed?

because its simming better than everything hero other than gaze/plume

[cinder relic]

Been that wya all expac

[weary goblet]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[left jay]

outlaw is never gonna be this good again vorasius mythic i'm gonna enjoy the shit outta this while i still can 🥺

[normal quail]

ok guess im noob wth

[weary goblet]

801 haste before oils is okay?

[left jay]

i cant believe we actually have burst damage

insane burst

its crazy

the smoke bomb isnt even inconvenient its huge

[keen belfry]

interesting @vivid vessel if i just equip 150 more haste i gain like .8% in a long sim

[normal quail]

it's sick isn't it

[jolly geyser]

I got almost 29% haste with flask

prolly starts breaking apart

[somber saddle]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[wintry leaf]

Does Sub have more sustain than Outlaw due to Exhilarating Execution?

[lone surge]

can anyone give me the order for the top 3 buttons pressed in order?

[celest cobalt]

Dumb question, crucible sim has 3 options , violence etc. Wtf is that all about? Do I have to upgrade that thing?

[cinder abyss]

Theres a console in voidstorm behind the rep vendor which can give your trinket additional effects, those 3 options are the 3 "dps" unlocks on it

[swift moon]

Yeah and there is no catch up, it takes a few weeks to do so ur better off skipping it if you haven’t yet

[celest cobalt]

Oh, word. Yeah I ignored that shiz, thanks all

[true dust]

is outlaw s tier now?

[cinder relic]

Wouldn't say s tier

It's like, high a though

[unkempt cypress]

It's good and not dk or mage so gonna get nerfd

[prime dirge]

i just returned from shadowlands wtf has happened to outlaw

[haughty thunder]

So is outlaw the best performing rogue spec for the first time in like ever?

[novel isle]

Outlaw:

[prime dirge]

im doing 60k dps my lvl of knowledge is down the drain

[novel isle]

what were you pre-patch?

[prime dirge]

i was afk i havent played since shadowlands

assassination

i mean lol

[final pagoda]

can you create a m33kaura to have an icon appear if palmed bullets have 6> stacks? I am trying but it seems that stack count trigger isnt working properly

[prime dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-fail-guns-gun-funny-gif-19593151

thats my outlawing right now

[novel isle]

haha well dont worry it takes a long time to really get the feeling down of outlaw, just know that you get 80% of your DPS just going faster, its better to be fast than it is to be optimal with your casts

[glass quartz]

do we rtb at 2 to fish for 3+ without loaded dice? and do we kir at 2 or not?

[final pagoda]

all explained in the #outlaw-faq

[glass quartz]

ty

[prime dirge]

does someone have dummy 101 button by button build XD

[livid sand]

And the other rogue specs?

[worldly zephyr]

If you’re good at playing it maybe. It has a higher skill ceiling than the other specs which is certainly worth mentioning.

[cinder relic]

All 3 are A rn imo

[brisk spear]

no, sub is the most cringe shit with the talent changes

playing without premed is illegaly shit

[livid sand]

Then play with premed. Its a .5% dps loss…

[brisk spear]

impossible

[livid sand]

¿

[cinder relic]

Or just do the vanish opener

[brisk spear]

ill try that

[icy hare]

!opener

[next wedge]

!zac

[long barn]

Guys I got some tech o wanna run by you. I know Pistol shot priority is highest you can get when your at 6 stacks. Do we think it’s worth holding 5 seconds or something for upcoming fart cloud?

[icy niche]

playing without premed is .5% loss? what talent do we pick instead?

[outer meteor]

can u still vanish the beam on last boss on skyreach

or did i just fuck it up

[long barn]

Worked as of last night

[glass mortar]

no

[long barn]

Or did I cloak it

[glass mortar]

it does good damage but its priority isnt highest because its such amazing damage, its higher then SS because pressing SS while you have 6 stacks would lead to wasting stacks

[long barn]

For real! Common 150% crit not worth 3 stacks you “might” miss?

[glass mortar]

no

not even a lil

you get and spend PS constantly

you will infact get way less casts trying to play that way because all the SS you cast that proc while at 6 will dump their procs down the drain

[long barn]

For 5 GCds?

[glass mortar]

5 gcds yes

that could be 4 builders

3 builders 2 finishers

any combo but that still multiple procs likely lost

[long barn]

Hmm ok I’ll side with you

[glass mortar]

outlaw is not a burst spec and the new talent didnt change that, you have like 60% uptime on the crit damage

you dont need to try to save anything but BtE for it

[alpine bloom]

Do you roll bonus rolls in raids or more in dungeons? If so, where exactly?

[hardy garden]

+15 pit

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[weary goblet]

I am doing so bad on outlaw, my brain just cannot compute it, its rly disheartening when i do like +40k more on assa in same runs

[hardy garden]

https://tenor.com/view/never-back-down-never-what-nick-eh-30-ehh-gif-6705638111929649912

[dull geyser]

why do we have to dip back into our cloud cover?

[mighty pivot]

because the buff lasts for 10s from the moment you step out or it expires

[candid abyss]

stops 10 sec buff countdown

[glass mortar]

the buff you care about is the one that lingers after cloud cover. if you leave the cloud early, it begins ticking down immediatly (10s) but if you go back in it goes back to max duration

so you can either sit in the cloud the whole time (10s cloud, 10s buff lingering) or leave the cloud and as long as you go back in right before it expires, you get 20s of the full buff regardless

you can leave and re-enter or do w/e u want during that 10s duration of the smoke bomb itself, all that really matters is making sure u get in as close to it ending as possible

[cinder atlas]

does dispatch not give slice and dice ? why do we cast snd in the opener

[glass mortar]

it does

but it also consumes supercharged CP

which you want to avoid in the opener when it could be on a BtE

[ionic citrus]

so u dont spend a charged cp on a dispatch

[cinder atlas]

ohh yeah got it ty

[tulip hazel]

do we ever wait for fazed debuff if it drops off?

[ebon burrow]

!simc

[glass mortar]

wait to what

[tulip hazel]

use finishers

[glass mortar]

i mean no, you dont need to pay attention to it

outlaw is not a waiting spec

[placid ocean]

If BtE doesn't reset, do you spend the 2nd charged cp on KS?

[ionic citrus]

nah

just go

normal rotation

I cannot believe I'm casting KS again.

[glass mortar]

well if ur talking about the opener

ur playing prep

[ionic citrus]

true

[glass mortar]

so you have two btes even if it doesnt reset

[ionic citrus]

prep to BtE again

[glass mortar]

ye

[placid ocean]

But then your next AR doesn't use BtE?

[glass mortar]

might not be up right at the start sure

[dim parrot]

How u guys finding KS in AR

[placid ocean]

I guess youre just hoping for a reset then

[dim parrot]

Is it dam loss to use it in AR

[glass mortar]

no not a loss to use during AR

[dim parrot]

Cancel once energy full right

[candid abyss]

lotta variables but kinda neutral

[glass mortar]

you can cancel it if you will overcap energy though iirc

[candid abyss]

needed for energy sometimes

[dim parrot]

Ok that’s what I thought

[glass mortar]

and you only need to be 5 CP to cast it

[placid ocean]

I've been canceling once I got full cp

Is that bad

[unique fulcrum]

no

thats good

[glass mortar]

i believe the current metric is energy not CP

thats what im aware of

[ionic citrus]

they didnd fix smoke yet

[glass mortar]

so probably not optimal but probably at most 0.5% away from optimal

[ionic citrus]

LMAO

ppl won't invite me because of smoke

keys like nexus its suicidal to bring a rogue left side.

the smoke covers all stuns in the ground

broke a 17 just now

[harsh mountain]

I was expecting guildies in raid to complain about it but realized it doesn't show for others in raid lol

[ionic citrus]

good tanks always move the pack to the edge of the smoke

so the rogue can dps while still see the shit on the ground

This smoke ain't mine. The fact that I can see this clearly is annoying af.

in keys like Windrunner and Nexus it's literally impossible to do it safe.

The poison drops in WS and the Stuns in Nexus.

[glass mortar]

i believe there is a user setting to turn down or up allied spell effects

id be surprised if it doesnt work on the cloud

but yes it is silly it shows at all for allies it should just be a radius on the ground with a friendly indicator if anything

[ionic citrus]

I'm on essential already

[glass mortar]

well the spell is essential for you

[vivid vessel]

partcile density

low

[glass mortar]

it shouldnt be essential for them tho

[ionic citrus]

but what about the other mechanics?

with particles low?

[vivid vessel]

its ok

i havent found anything that was bad yet

fire on last boss skyreach is a bit weird

but its still visible its fine

[lethal oak]

Zac trying to get me killed

[ionic citrus]

Just lowered from ultra to low

[true dust]

how much of a dps loss is it to not use SND in the opener?

[ionic citrus]

lets test in the same rogue.

[glass mortar]

depends how good ur rng is

[candid abyss]

you see the cloud but can definitely see the ground still

[glass mortar]

the better ur rng the more of a loss it is

[lethal oak]

@vivid vessel my guild is requesting i play outlaw for our prog, are we making progress as a spec?

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-but-same-different-face-it-gif-18737446

[ionic citrus]

said no one ever

[vivid vessel]

lie or

[lethal oak]

Actually no lie

But i think they are crazy

[ionic citrus]

tell ur RL to take his meds

[twilit axle]

Wait so dont on a whim deep dive outlaw cause sim says bigger number and Raid said you should play outlaw?

[lethal oak]

Yeah until I pointed out boss dam

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[twilit axle]

Oooo the boss damn on outlaw is booty? Even after 12.0.5?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw does more boss damage

xd

[midnight ridge]

i hate that new trickster build, outlaw players are almost non exitent and they decide to give us this shit gameplay

[vivid vessel]

what are you guys on

[jagged plover]

i hate my ui

[midnight ridge]

thanks obama

[twilit axle]

Logs say outlaw is doing the big dam

[lethal oak]

Huge dam

Everyone loves my cloud

[twilit axle]

So I should definitely full time swap to outlaw from Sub is what you're saying?

[ionic citrus]

95th, 1 day, vorasius

[lethal oak]

Where's patchwerk when you need him

[grand shoal]

does anyone know how to stop cloud cover from wrecking your vision ingame?

[fossil lintel]

Yes, farting every 40s beats farting every 90s. Just try both irl and you'll quickly realize which one is superior

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-mm-hunter-bm-hunter-gif-4084111729667159011

[twilit axle]

Well I already play Sub half decent. I havent played Outlaw since we were slamming bte in vanish windows in DF

[vivid vessel]

check boss damage

[vivid vessel]

particle density > low

ok well

[ionic citrus]

wrong one

[vivid vessel]

over a day

is not good

[twilit axle]

Dead spec nvm

[fossil lintel]

That was 10% percentile

[vivid vessel]

you are removing all the data

[ionic citrus]

i cant bring more than 2 days info

[deep sequoia]

@vivid vessel what is the deal with taking sleight of hand over acrobatic?

[deep sequoia]

is it worth u think or fuck no

[vivid vessel]

we are in .5 its only this week logs

[glass mortar]

reduces variance

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[glass mortar]

i mean dps dif is like 0.3% or something

[ionic citrus]

sometimes my brain farts

[glass mortar]

who tf wants to have 1 rolls or 2 rolls all the time

vibe talent

😎

[quaint wharf]

so for the holding bte rule if ar is 30 or less seconds, is the inverse ever true? if u have ar but are like 2-3 finishers from a bte would u also hold ar

[glass mortar]

zac u vibing???

[glass mortar]

no

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

good 😠

[jolly geyser]

[quaint wharf]

fire ty

[jolly geyser]

we vibing lads

[candid abyss]

embrace the cloud

[twilit axle]

Any good vods to watch since 12.0.5? Couldnt find any last night as I spent my time hitting a training dummy

[deep sequoia]

the boi zac

go watch him do big dam

and be completely unable to recreate it

[twilit axle]

Where watch?

Spec feels a little awkward and counter intuitive to how cps proc and having to squeak in one more ss or ps.

Also not getting bte refreshes on pull seems cringe

[glass mortar]

he has videos on youtube

idk his channel name but its zac with an uncounted number of underscores after it

[lethal oak]

Zac is ok but that Tomelvis is truly something

[livid sand]

playing with premed on sub is a 0.5 loss

[glass mortar]

@zac__________________________3

oh god i cant even paste it in here because underscores are used on a command

type zac and then like 20 underscores and then 3 into youtube and you'll probably fine it

or just zac outlaw rogue idk surely that works

[lethal oak]

He's famous in Sweden so it should be the top search result

[fossil lintel]

Click Zac here and he should have his stuff linked?

Yeah, Zac has both twitch and YouTube linked on his discord profile

[twilit axle]

I found

[fossil lintel]

Sorry, Zac is famous in Sweden?

[twilit axle]

Watching L'ura seems like there is a ton of refreshes on bte but it is not that way on dummy.

F

[long barn]

We are so back

[glass mortar]

its just rng

only thing u can do to effect it is making sure ur following finisher rules properly (6+ CP for bte)

[nova blaze]

yo is fatebound dead dead now or is it managable dps loss ? i feel like i deal less dmg on trickster and its horrendous to play

[cinder relic]

It's like a 13% dps loss so

[stoic wagon]

is it worth crafting the ring without embellish @cinder relic

?

please

[ionic citrus]

This is RtB right?
A good buff ending, no KiR soon, Loaded up, and AR coming back.

[nova blaze]

ffs not gonna log in till i can play fatebound again. 3.4k can wair

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

[jagged plover]

see u s3 bud

[ionic citrus]

we've been thro worst shit man

at least is good damage.

[nova blaze]

s3? see ya in 2 expansions

[jagged plover]

idk man

this is the least fun version of outlaw i think ive played

damage aside

kinda miserable

[nova blaze]

aye thats a fair point

[ionic citrus]

it is miserable indeed.

[nova blaze]

blizzard fatebound ho when ?

[jagged plover]

the worst part of outlaw is how few changes they have to do to make it giga

but they just dont

ever

[ionic citrus]

any good reply to this?

[dull hill]

I went hard in dragonflight and loved it, just been following things for Midnight and yeah I haven't been able to give it a go. Hopefully it gets a bit better cuz I really wanna play.

[keen belfry]

imagine more energy outlaw with AR charges instead

id odnt even need bte charges

[nova blaze]

its weighed dice or what its called. if that shows you get 2 or higher next roll

[ionic citrus]

@vivid vessel what would u do?

[vivid vessel]

finish rtb adr

ye

i think

[ionic citrus]

whut? u hold ar for a roll?

I would never guess this.

im always pressing RtB b4 AR ...

[vivid vessel]

wdym hold adr

[ionic citrus]

I cannot see myself locked into tier 1. It's too much depressing.

[keen belfry]

u typed it weird

i dont understand what u mean

[nova blaze]

this tbh. been playing againsince s1 ww and everything before was better because we didnt have prep

[ionic citrus]

me or zac?

[gilded tinsel]

I would be a freak and try to hit the KIR reset

[keen belfry]

zac

[ionic citrus]

agreed

someone ban zac plz.

[keen belfry]

id just lose that LD probs

[jagged plover]

prep is like okay but it's just worse than having charges for no reason

[keen belfry]

but i ltierally just vibe it

sometimes i reroll that

[ionic citrus]

you wouldn't exactly lose it in THAT SPECIFIC scenario coz KiR would come back b4 the 2 rolls end

BUT

there are similar situations where KiR is more than 2m

[outer meteor]

mc 1st pull

[vivid vessel]

i mean finish as in fniisher

[keen belfry]

ye with kir there it might be good to press rtb for 2 chances at 3+ instead

[vivid vessel]

finisher into rtb adr

[ionic citrus]

oh

ok

[stoic wagon]

please

[ionic citrus]

so rtb that Jackpot

[vivid vessel]

wdym kir reset

its 1 min away

[royal belfry]

i would leave it till i have BR then RTB and adrenaline to ensure de 8% damage buff from tier

[prisma lantern]

Tell him it's a dr and he should get in.

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk