outlaw

[dusty magnet]

my luck sucks XD

[silent edge]

Anyone use a macro for lights company + Adrenaline rush or do you just manually Press the trinket whenever its up with AR due to outlaw CDR?

[still matrix]

I just yolo sent the roll

❤️

[jolly geyser]

Kirk dagger

[upbeat tundra]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[livid pewter]

am i the only one enjoying to have 2billion buttons to press again?

[next thunder]

If I use the bonus rolls on H Raid boss, do I get H track gear?

Or does it upgrade to Mythic drop --- all I understand is that M10+ rolls give me mythic gear

[sinful dagger]

Hero Track

[next thunder]

ah figures okay, then i'll save muh rolls for M10+

[weary fog]

think of it as giving what vault would give you for that content

[potent ore]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[unkempt dew]

I first need to do the void forge thing to get the bonus roll stuff right? Mine is 5/6 atm

[wide heath]

yes, complete the void forge

and you will get 2 bonus rolls

[unkempt dew]

Thanks

[wide shore]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[wide heath]

you get 3 repeatable quests, complete one and it will give you the item

[hazy temple]

Did they fix the cloud cover bug where it didn’t trigger at low energy?

Also have they written anywhere why distract now also cost energy?

[tranquil ledge]

But the roll queue only started working today. That's why your yesterday's roll didn't go into the queue because nothing was working at that time

[timid portal]

no and it always costed energy

[jovial glade]

Broskis, could somebody tell me whats good dmg on +10? That way I know is skill issue or trash dying to quickly

[near osprey]

u guys run the singl;e target or aoe build for vanguard?

[lavish halo]

Any guide where it best to use rerolls ?

[craggy barn]

wowhead

[next thunder]

i think ST is better because its only 3 targets

[lavish halo]

Got problems finding it zomb, u mind giving me link ?

[craggy barn]

class outlaw bis list scroll down

on phone so cant link

[lavish halo]

thx !

[near osprey]

grand melee tho

[static crescent]

Was playing yesterday full nerd mode, mostly practising routes with team and its definately looking we are back

felt really really good

then lets see the next patch of nerfs, can allready vision it

DH -4%

outlaw -20%

[unkempt dew]

Its not that outlaw is too good now

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[static crescent]

the cloud thing does cause some headaiche at times tho aint gonna lie

like Maisara first pull, allready sometimes having difficulties spotting the green shit on the green ground and all the chaos

cloud definately doesnt help

[worldly shale]

we drop acro for sleight?

[topaz fox]

!opener

[thick valve]

What is the item called that changes your appearance into an Elf/Blood Elf? Zack often uses it

[weary fog]

gleeful glamour

[grave carbon]

does the new overlapping tracks mean i need to 6/6 hero in a slot before its worth it to upgrade a 1/6 myth in the same slot?

[lament cloud]

yes

[grave carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-crisis-overwhelmed-gif-13729766121502628368

[normal quail]

Aoe cuh

[lament cloud]

if you get a new slot at 1/6 from vault and dont have it on hero you still need to farm that slot on hero

[fallow sapphire]

for now what finisher we want to supercharge cp with? bTE?

[lament cloud]

assuming you want to be crest efficient

[past stump]

bte yes

[fallow sapphire]

okok ty

[past stump]

you can try to optimize it by holding onto AR until you get enough apex talent stacks to have guaranteed bte reset

[fallow sapphire]

when do we press KS tho i quite dont understand in the pin cmt, do we press it when bTE cd?

[grave carbon]

does this apply to hero gear as well or do we have enough crest already to not matter?

[past stump]

yes basically

bte prio

then ks

[fallow sapphire]

okok ty

[past stump]

then dispatch

[lament cloud]

hero you can farm everything at 3/6 from keys anyway

[grave carbon]

oh right

tyty

[blissful zinc]

dungeonslice accurate for outlaw right?

[obsidian karma]

yo we eating good this patch boys

you get brain aneurysm during opener but we eating good

do you have any macros to make this shit rotation simpler?

[blissful zinc]

what rotation

its vibes spec

[formal knot]

why can't i have luck like this in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

No opp

Unlucky

[formal knot]

i might have missed procs i was looking at dungeon boss

[gaunt phoenix]

Or they are way overcapping opp

[formal knot]

my brain has been minimized in size after playing sub i can't pay attention anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

You can cast sequence the raid opener tbh

At least until the first SS

AR SND Roll BR SS

[ruby bridge]

they need to rework trickster so it uses HO and left side of the tree buffing generaters since the huge amount of generator crit dmg 😈 literally a dead talent currently

[gaunt phoenix]

Real

😈

[valid hound]

understanding where the tank will move the boss during the encounter is huge now

i got to parse 99 on hc vorasius where it's basically standing in the same spot, but all other parses were better on previous build

just becuse got to get used to this new smoke thing

[near osprey]

W

just norm though

[valid hound]

still great

[weary fog]

had this one yesterday

[long barn]

Solo, are the builder and finisher priorities updated for trick?

Wowhead or in our discord section

[gaunt phoenix]

Both

[long barn]

Does the prio change in cloud vs not?

[gaunt phoenix]

Builder is the same you just dont do the 1cp SS anymore

[long barn]

Pistol shot so much of our dmg

It’s nuts

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's the same rot

[daring yoke]

i feel like trickster has greater variance than fb?

[long barn]

Ok

[frigid pelican]

I tried to make a macro for the opener but wouldn’t cast SND. Not sure why

[valid hound]

Solo, how do u handle encounters like dragons, where mobs spawn and die quickly? I think I lose a lot of dmg when getting to target a new mob to do a damage.

Is there any macro or something that helps you immediately target a new mob and do damage?

[gaunt phoenix]

It does

Err

You macro /startattack to bte

So it retargets something

But SS or dispatch will already retarget

[valid hound]

aha, so there's a start attack macro

[long barn]

Family…. Every group I ran in M+ has Giga complained about fart clouds. Can’t see mechanics lol!!

[valid hound]

got it, so basically just pressing sinister, it will already target and attack

closest one

[daring yoke]

changing particle density to fair/low helped alot for the farting

[gaunt phoenix]

Also tab target will naturally select what is in front of you

[frozen quest]

Got reported and group Kick for smoke bombing in key xd

[long barn]

Hahah

[hollow temple]

No way lmao

[unique fulcrum]

yea ppl are actually

complaining about the bomb

[frigid pelican]

I would too if I wasn’t the one dropping it

[rustic lotus]

Lmao I don’t understand why smoke clouds aren’t just small whitish circles for party lmao

[obsidian light]

ppl are dying to swirlies in my keys that are inside fartcloud lol

[frozen quest]

They Said cause of me i inted the key and so all reported me 😂

[long barn]

Well it sucks cause I want to see it so I can step in and out

[frozen quest]

Swear noone knows about the trickster smoke Talent

[jagged plover]

even when blizzard buffs us they find a way to make everyone still not want us in keys

[long barn]

Has anyone figured out how to track how long the cloud has left

[proven ocean]

lol!!

[daring yoke]

bro beware fart clouds in nexus. ppl actually can easily die to the fucking lasers lol. make sure disarm them first before farting

[rustic lotus]

I was at the training dummies and the dudes there were just like “Like bro stop with the fucking smoke”

Lmaaaao

[unique fulcrum]

playing 2nd boss in academy is costing so much focus for me

[hollow temple]

Ye even in pvp a lot of people trinket insta thinking it’s a real smoke bomb

[long barn]

I guess I could watch how long ADR has left to know

[hollow temple]

It’s hilarious

[proven ocean]

Why do u guys hate me so much lmaoao?

[long barn]

We are basically troll class

[bright cedar]

how does your opener look like in a key? ideally you AR + KS + SnD + RTB on the prep phase, so you get to the pack with everything already sorted...
then you need Blade Flurry + Blade Rush + AR to open, but that overcaps combo points a lot. do you just BF + BR + Dispatch and then go into AR + BtE?

[rustic lotus]

Shits so funny how they buff our damage by 14% but then invent an even better reason not to bring us

[proven ocean]

Damage is king

If outlaw dominates that it wont matter

[daring yoke]

its peak balancing by blizzard. outlaw must remain not be invited to keys

[proven ocean]

Everyone will want the biggest dps class

[rustic lotus]

Yah all my friends play ranged so they don’t give a fuck. But my brother plays tank and he was like “Bro what the fuck is this”

[halcyon garden]

Zeross

What do we need to play

To do dmg

Outlaw or sub

[proven ocean]

Dont ask me

I dont wow

[halcyon garden]

I dont wow either since few days

Why are you here then

[proven ocean]

Because

[zinc briar]

We have to fire Outlaw dev

[novel isle]

@zac Saw you running these prepatch, sounds like a good choice 🔥

[jagged plover]

can't

there is none

[obsidian karma]

how do you do the cast sequence macro? only used /cast so far

[gaunt phoenix]

/castsequence [reset=10] adrenaline rush, slice and dice, ...

[obsidian karma]

what does the reset 10 do?

[gaunt phoenix]

castsequence causes that keybind to cast AR, then press it again, it casts snd, then press it again, it casts roll the bones, etc

reset=10 is after 10 seconds it resets to AR

which is just long enough for the opener to be done

[novel isle]

If one is on CD does it still go to next cast?

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[gentle wasp]

smart

[zinc briar]

Mmmm caualaddict is pumping hard

As outlaw

[obsidian karma]

holy shit this makes outlaw opener so much easier

@gaunt phoenix thank you!

[gaunt phoenix]

just dont forget to blade flurry and kir on 3

[wide heath]

time to save macro to my clipboard ;p

[obsidian karma]

yee, easy follow up

[novel isle]

thats a .1% dps change apparently not worth it as you might just low roll and waste KIR forever and do piss damage

[blissful zinc]

is there an addon that tracks roll the bones? im too blind for CDM

[obsidian karma]

you do it to apply fazed to all it can't be 0.1% dps change

[novel isle]

Check pinned

[gaunt phoenix]

in the raid opener, because you will prep, you should not kir on 2 immediately

you kir on 2 if you expect the next roll wont have loaded dice

[novel isle]

And anyway what does 3 roll have to do with fased?

Not gotten to play yet so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

think they thought you were talking about blade flurry

[obsidian karma]

oh yeah sorry thought u meant 3 target blade blurry

[gaunt phoenix]

yea i mean using KIR at stage 3+ roll the bones

[obsidian karma]

yaa thats a given no problem booss

[novel isle]

[hollow portal]

I would also like to know

[molten pond]

If I have 2 weapons 289. Does crafting a 285 will only cost me sparks ? or I still need to pay 80 myth crest ?

[leaden sonnet]

Still need to spend myth crests for crafts

[unkempt dew]

Are you guys tracking the cloud buff?

[obsidian karma]

yes? how else would you know when to dip back in

I'm more annoyed I can['t track the actual cloud duration with blizz's shit manager

[formal knot]

i just vibe it

[normal quail]

👆🏻

[gaunt phoenix]

you can know from AR duration

[normal quail]

Without being able to track the actual cloud, dipping back in is kinda risky I think. I just sit in the stink cloud perma until I cant

[gaunt phoenix]

AR has 5 seconds left - cloud disappears

[unkempt dew]

Oeh good to know

[normal quail]

Ok actual big brain

[novel isle]

Id say dont craft a weapon of lower level

[molten pond]

but these are dagger, I need a sword

[novel isle]

We use dagger OH but yea

[odd sleet]

Are you guys good yet? Can I play my rogue?

[novel isle]

You go first im scared

[odd sleet]

I topped the meters in this timewalking dungeon so thats promising

[halcyon elm]

[placid saddle]

Hey just messing around on outlaw, given the prio system and restless blades - in the hypothetical that i have BTE proc, full cps, but that BTE hit resets AR, do i use BTE proc and exhaust cps so that i send AR at low cps, or do you hit AR then use that proc of BtE

[gaunt phoenix]

dispatch AR bte

ur supposed to hold bte for upcoming AR

to supercharge it

[placid saddle]

I missed that on the guide sorry

i know you guys get a fuck tonne of similar questions

Effectively, the thing im not sure about is, say BF has fallen but is off cd and you are at full cps, is more dmg to just hit BF rather than using cps

i guess im trying to work out what is more prio, the CDR/CD useage or CP management

inline with the prio system on wowhead

[frail veldt]

Ideally this just doesn't happen

But you'd def want to bf before imo

Even if at max

[placid saddle]

I guess im not planning properly

[gaunt phoenix]

if BF is not active, you must hit it, regardless of cps

[frail veldt]

Depends on target count

[placid saddle]

i can execute the rotation as far prio is concerned but it feels wrong having say AR off CD and im just spamming away as im constantly at full cps

[frail veldt]

Actually I don't think it does cuz lower targets bf isn't wasting much cps anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

if AR is off cooldown, you aren't 'constantly' at full cps

at most it is one finisher, no?

[placid saddle]

Yeh sorry, bad use, i just feel like im wasting the 10sec cdr

or im messing somewhere else, ill keep practicing

[gaunt phoenix]

for blade flurry, if it is not active, you must hit it

For adrenaline rush, if it available and you are at full cps, you just finish first

so they are different rules, in a sense

but if you had slammed AR at full cps i dont think it's destroying your dmg

it just happens to be a bit better to finish first, at the cost of cdr

[placid saddle]

Got it, so generally line up AR with a BTE burst

[gaunt phoenix]

u will realize that a lot of global-by-global decisions dont matter a whole lot

[placid saddle]

is there a rule so to speak regarding when you should hold AR i.e. if bte is 10 or 20s away, then you hold for AR while BTE is off cd

[gaunt phoenix]

you generally dont hold AR. you are holding BTE for AR

not the other way around

[placid saddle]

ok so if AR has 10-20secs left, hold bte

[gaunt phoenix]

about 30s yea

[placid saddle]

Perfect that helps

well the few tips you gave, in the test i just ran i went from about 175 to 210 on dummies

s

so it works, ty

[gaunt phoenix]

the only exception is in the raid opener and you used preparation. so the first AR is still active even though a second AR is ready to use after the first AR is over. you would still hit BtE while the first AR is ticking

for that second AR you got from preparation. at that point you can wait until BtE is ready again

[elfin grotto]

Guys, is Outlaw strongest of the 3 specs even if not in a physical comp?

[gaunt phoenix]

meh. I don't think it's an obvious winner

I think literally all 3 specs are good in keys

[normal quail]

So new opener is ar rtb snd into br bte

[elfin grotto]

Ah that works, wanted to try it but my buds are playing casters only so was wondering if worth investing in the spec ;D

[gaunt phoenix]

bf br bte, and possible kir, but yes

[normal quail]

Ok ok ty

[cloud turret]

outlaw is bad

we just play it cuz pirate

[placid saddle]

Send pot/trinkets with AR a good shout

?

[rigid wadi]

why do we start taking slieght of hand talent now with trickster and not as fatebound

[normal quail]

I kinda just send it all on cd tbh

Works fine

[wide heath]

!opener

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster has a wider RNG curve it seems to crave stage 3 rtb a bit more than fatebound

though for fatebound 1 dispatcher vs sleight is still pretty close

[obsidian karma]

@gaunt phoenix I found myself in a lot of situations where I'm without AR, its came off cooldown but I'm hitting full BTEs back to back to back. Do I cast AR as fast as possible or wait for the chain to end?

[gaunt phoenix]

if AR cooldown is under ~30s you're supposed to hold bte

so you would dispatch > AR > BTE in this case

[obsidian karma]

so even if it procs I would still hold it for ar to come off cooldown

[placid saddle]

man this has to be the flattest dmg ever, i just sit constantly at near 200k on dummies and it barely goes up and down

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[rigid wadi]

so do we keep rolling now till we hit rank 3 or can we sit on rank 2

[gaunt phoenix]

you keep rank 2

[obsidian karma]

lots of unnatural stuff like this happening with this spec

[rigid wadi]

ty

[placid saddle]

Prep not taken in M+ build?

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster uses it

fatebound optional

[muted hound]

Is Outlaw oversimming atm? Because i played sub all the time. With the changes i tried to optimized my sub gear to go to 106k ST, but when i do sim my OL optimized gear, i go to 118k in sim

[gaunt phoenix]

No, it's not

Outlaw ST is very good

If burst doesnt matter, Outlaw is supposed to win

and you get uptime

[novel moth]

!api

[gaunt phoenix]

just look at vorasius logs

[muted hound]

I am thinking to switch to OL now for mythic raiding. We are now at dragons.

[obsidian karma]

no outlaw allowed for subbies, only true chad outlaws that only played outlaw every patch are allowed to play outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw is prob better at dragons and vanguard but rogue in general is kinda shit there

[frail veldt]

Solo blasting with the answers this morning

[gaunt phoenix]

but then outlaw is not great at crown and trolling at beloren

[native tinsel]

do i wanna hold a little bit BTE if BR is coming up or not

[gentle wasp]

Solo win the channel

[glass mortar]

no

[summer nimbus]

This is more of a feelcraft thing for me but is it better to ss at 4/5 cp instead of bladeflurry so we can get a full cp bladeflurry after we spend or just bladeflurry and put it on cd.

[gaunt phoenix]

i would just bf

[frail veldt]

Don't think it matters much. I prefer to bf

[gaunt phoenix]

Deft damage is good

[muted hound]

Okay. Ty. I will stick to OL for now, Paladins Sin is the better specc and then my gear should be equal on sub and Ol to swap

[obsidian karma]

how? doesn't sub use mastery?

[native tinsel]

since the patch it likes crit as well

[gaunt phoenix]

sub is exchanging mastery for crit lately

[obsidian karma]

interesting...

[weary fog]

150% crit damage shadowstrikes tends to do that

[fresh acorn]

I have so much mastery that main gauche is my consistent #2 in dungeon overalls

[native tinsel]

weird how the little things make so much difference

im pretty sure im not doing any major errors in my outlaw, but, my overalls still are higher as sub than outlaw

snap decisions are so important in this spec

[gentle wasp]

What is the best racial for Outlaw ? Thx

[gaunt phoenix]

mechagnome/panda/dwarf/tauren?

[lament arrow]

Bouncy

[gaunt phoenix]

for dps

[gentle wasp]

All is so weird 😭

Nvm i go Undead

[frigid pelican]

I thought night elf had extra agility?

[gentle wasp]

No ?

[valid hound]

i chose undead cuz i like it most

[lament arrow]

Maybe if racial base stats are still a thing

[gaunt phoenix]

they are

but it's like +2 agility

[lament arrow]

Yea it's tiny

[glass mortar]

but nelves are also harder to detect in stealth

🤔

big gains

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[frail veldt]

Night elf all day

[keen belfry]

Plunderstorm….

[frail veldt]

All these nooba outlaws

Without plunder

[frank viper]

now sim like this?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[frank viper]

finishers at 6 cp or more?

[gaunt phoenix]

bte/dispatch 6, ks 5

[frank viper]

bte first prio?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[frank viper]

ty

[lament arrow]

If you have 5 and both KS and bte are up?

[frank viper]

bte

[gaunt phoenix]

you ss to bte

[lament arrow]

Gotcha

[gaunt phoenix]

or ps if at 6 opp

[full dew]

there is any haste point where we go again for thiefs versatility or we stick to flickering now on trickster?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it can be based on kill timer

on farm if the boss ties in 3 minutes

flickering is much better when you dont have tea in the bank

in keys i would not remove it unless you have crazy 30% haste

[urban inlet]

So since zacs crashout yesterday, we still play trickster or back to fb?

[native tinsel]

what was different about zacs yesterday crashout

[urban inlet]

idk he made sure we know it feels awful to play xd

[sage ore]

Hopefully you have your own feelings about it as well

[gaunt phoenix]

zac is not playing fatebound lol

[proven ocean]

hi

[vivid vessel]

i did accidentally go into a key with fatebound killing spree

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf..

[urban inlet]

u hear it

[vivid vessel]

i was bottom dps

[proven ocean]

Ur an accidentaly

Accidentally

[urban inlet]

hahahah

[vivid vessel]

ross

you back to wow yet ?

[proven ocean]

Ye

[weary fog]

i loaded fatebound killing spree on paladins yesterday

[proven ocean]

Ofc

[weary fog]

i was doing sub dps

[proven ocean]

Pushing r1 keys rn

[vivid vessel]

nice

[proven ocean]

Ty

[urban inlet]

so afterall trickster is the way to go i assume

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[proven ocean]

Im still working to reach lvl 81 tho

[gaunt phoenix]

but you can go extra haste

[proven ocean]

I’ll get there

One day

Im probably the biggest wow noob rn if u think about it

[gaunt phoenix]

to help energy when you dont have tea

[proven ocean]

Skill issue cant reach 81

[jolly geyser]

Zero busy doing loremaster ach

[molten nacelle]

man this 30 energy bug on cloud cover is so ass, who copy pasted distract and added the effect on top ....

[proven ocean]

Dont u like ass tho

So its good

[molten nacelle]

true that

[proven ocean]

Can i use coffee instead

Or red bull

olos

solo*

Mb had my keyboard upside down

[urban inlet]

ye i might drop eagle enchants to go haste

[gaunt phoenix]

i wouldnt do that

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix add adr costing energy in sims noob, will influentiate haste value

maybe it has a bigger impact than we think also

[proven ocean]

yawyna neppah siht did woh

[vivid vessel]

30 energy every 30s

[proven ocean]

How did this happen anyway*

[urban inlet]

then maybe the gems haste/crit instead of crit/haste? xd

[random stirrup]

Eagle is giga op

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/151978619860680704/1488011409374842990/dance.gif

[formal knot]

this is fake thats a robot

[proven ocean]

Nooe

I was the cat

Its real

[remote pecan]

wait did they fuckup the id of AR as well as shadowblades? both cost 30 energy now?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not an ID thing

[vivid vessel]

it just cast distract

[gaunt phoenix]

it's cloud cover itself casting Distract

[proven ocean]

Dang u guys need me that much?

Guys i know i know

Its ok

I’ll be there for you all

Dw

[formal knot]

you're just energy.. we need 30x of you

[proven ocean]

Not outlaw tho

Ye fk u guys

Only sub/assa

[remote pecan]

wouldnt this cause distract to appear in logs? how do we know it's casting distract does it pop in combat log in game?

[gaunt phoenix]

okay, it's not literally casting distract, the cloud cover effect (which was from distract originally) just has 30 energy attached to it

[remote pecan]

ahh gotcha sigh

[gaunt phoenix]

the old effect used to convert distract into this spell or some shit

[vivid vessel]

so did distract just cost 60 energy

hm

[molten nacelle]

it does distract in game

[gaunt phoenix]

think the cloud cover effect is a copy-pasted distract

[molten nacelle]

yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

but the spell is silent/not logged

[crimson scarab]

i did a second reroll in POS, both times i got the fcking legs while having a myth track legs, what is this shit bro

[mellow dagger]

How bad is a super charged 7 point ks in opener after getting unlucky on bte

[gaunt phoenix]

You should prep bte before you ks

[native tinsel]

i mean, given its a jarring bug, it should be hotfixed already right

have they fixed any bugs since patch day?

[gaunt phoenix]

idk they fixed bonus rolls

[random stirrup]

[mellow dagger]

So adr br bte prep builder bte?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes if bte does not reset

[mellow dagger]

Ok

[vivid vessel]

stealth didnt make any sound apparently

they fixed that

[native tinsel]

i say that because, idk, if it takes too long to fix, it might as well be intended

[remote pecan]

they are increasing our sub costs as well for this shit

[fluid blade]

new spec for outlaw, sword slinger

[glass mortar]

need a 4th one in ur mouth

anime style

5th one ig but i wasnt counting the dagger

[native tinsel]

wow is a world that guns exist and we do not have a gunslinger spec yet

have you thought of that

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm sure they can just pause their sprint to work on class bugs on a moment's notice

[fervent garden]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/pc-gaming/worst-patch-ever-world-of-warcraft-players-beg-blizzard-to-slow-down-on-its-updates-for-all-the-wrong-reasons

[keen belfry]

Wow won’t die

[inland acorn]

wdym die

[keen belfry]

It can’t!

[inland acorn]

They just raised sub cost in UK

[remote pecan]

more likely they got 1 guy sweating in a corner trying to keep up with the bug fixes from the sprint teams

[native tinsel]

wow will never die, even if the official servers die, the privates will just keep coming

[timid portal]

outlaw won't die!

[native tinsel]

they did not

it was not retroactive

so, the new "fixed" bonus roll, removes from the loot table

[inland acorn]

ye they fixed it, but if you rolled yesterday

Well

Enjoy your extra loot

[safe pasture]

so due to work situation im in a location that makes me be on 200+ ping is it realistic to be able to perform the rotation on this or should I just go sub/sin

[crimson scarab]

i dont think they did, just rolled 2 leg pieces from POS today (EU)

[tropic zephyr]

Meh, QA has been nonexistent for a while now

You want no QA and new content every 6 months or no QA and new content every 2 months?

I'll choose 2 months

[vivid vessel]

i mean we knew that tho

[native tinsel]

do you guys remember when one optimization we had was to marked for death dying mobs

god that was awful

[tropic zephyr]

He doesn't like mfd sniping

[digital atlas]

Good morning pirates!

[minor thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-jack-sparrow-captain-gif-27089240

[crimson scarab]

i did like it a lot tbh, was a fun thing to do

[digital atlas]

As I've been sub since launch, what are my chances to swap over? I've crafted dagger with hunt and belt with lining. Should I just wait for a mythic 1h or craft one so I can make it?

[inland acorn]

probably better to craft

There is like 1 decent 1h weapon sooo

[arctic hollow]

Salhadaar 1h is pretty good, but crafting is instant

[digital atlas]

I have the crests to do so too, just in case I saved. I wasn't expecting 13% buff tbh

I've been thinking craft sword with Void and just replace crafted dagger while keeping belt with lining. Would that be decent setup to start?

[inland acorn]

idk, you're the first person I see since morning saying they rolled same item twice

[inland acorn]

just craft without embelishment no ?

Void and Hunt are like so close to each other, it doesn't really matter

[arctic hollow]

Just craft Main hand without embelish, hunt + lining is fine

[digital atlas]

Thank you @inland acorn

is pirate transmog mandatory? I can come up with something...

[inland acorn]

It is

If someone sees you without pirate transmog

[digital atlas]

Last time I play this spec it was called Combat and I was sword spec...

[inland acorn]

[crimson scarab]

i wouldnt assume its a personal bug? some ppl may get "lucky" and not roll the same item twice but its still possible apparently which is shit

[digital atlas]

Thank you guys, don't tell the sub and sin guys I was here.

[stoic wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-hands-say-no-to-racism-interracial-gif-14334970

[inland acorn]

All I'm saying is, I've not seen anyone saying they got duplicate after blizzard posted fix. Maybe its not fixed

[bold swift]

Hi everyone, I checked the rotation and it says I don’t have to worry about Coup de Grâce—why is that? I still need to use Dispatch to activate it?

[covert portal]

probably don't need to track it I'd imagine

[bold swift]

ah ok i see

thanks !

[timid portal]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cedar bone]

do we even use ambush?

[normal quail]

Nope

[inland acorn]

No

[paper grove]

Just a couple of questions about the 6cp rule. So if we are at 5, do we still pistol shot/SS even if it overcaps? And when we get a BTE proc (and it leaves us at 5 or less), should we use another SS before the BTE to get to that 6

[cedar bone]

thx my goats

is here someone offering coaching?

im obv shit but i want to get good

[inland acorn]

yes, PS if 6stacks of opp, otherwise SS

[normal quail]

If 5 and you have 6 opp use it

[glass mortar]

yes u just follow ur builder rules

[karmic solar]

Is it even worth to continue to use the Fatebound bound build? I feel awkward w the fart cloud and if the tank pulls out there goes my extra damage right?

[inland acorn]

you can post your logs if you type !log

[cedar bone]

did and nobody reply

[normal quail]

The guide in Outlaw faq is sick, that’s enough to get you rolling

[glass mortar]

i mean ud need to be getting like zero uptime on fart cloud for it to bring you down to fatebounds level

13% is a very very large number to be ahead

builds that are 13% behind are generally considered dead in the water

[inland acorn]

ye i mean, there's a lot of logs daily so

[karmic solar]

Ewwwwwwww 🤮 Thxs tho

[inland acorn]

Also for best help I would highly recommend just recording session of hitting dummy or something, with GCD tracker on screen

Easier to see mistakes, than reading logs

[paper grove]

Awesome ty, didnt know if overcapping cps was too much of an issue in that situation

[glass mortar]

nope trickster is just not very efficient

overcaps lots of cps

[paper grove]

My damage felt fine but it did feel like I was messing up due to that

[cedar bone]

i did but still

i think i missing basics wrong

i watch zac on cd

[inland acorn]

Yes

But

[normal quail]

Post ur log bro

[inland acorn]

Post recording

Of you hitting with GCD tracker

A lot of people just don't want to bother with logs review, because reading outlaw logs is just masochistic

[cedar bone]

!log

[paper grove]

Im surprised blade rush survived the prune . Feels out of place imo

[unique fulcrum]

we need it

for energy

otherwise we would be so cooked

[fossil sable]

With ace resets on BTE, if your reset gives you 5CPs instead of 6, do we just keep spamming or do we SS > BTE on the reset to get 6/7 CPs?

[glass mortar]

BtE is 6+

so you build

[tall karma]

Is outlaw the Op rogue spec this season for raiding / M+ ?

[fossil sable]

Okay I've been doing that

[tall karma]

Just came back after 6 months

[halcyon night]

it literally became the spec yesterday

until it gets nerfed for no reason lol

[formal knot]

except you still cant do outlaw on some fights

like bird

[valid hound]

when do you pop light's potential? is it right after the opener, or you wait for a good rtb?

[timid portal]

after opener

like you build up to bte, and then use pot

[tall karma]

Oh outlaw is king now out of all 3 rogue specs?

Saw some patch notes but no idea what it means since I haven't played midnight

[glass mortar]

its got strong tuning now

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think any rogue spec is undertuned

[quasi bough]

wouldnt say so , assa going really strong aswell

[random stirrup]

this is 9min st

[weary goblet]

I think I need to practice OL, becuae I had a very awkward time last night, when I tried it in 14s

But I also think my haste was too low, gotta check my gear when home

[frail veldt]

Outlaws a very awkward spec lol

At least in its current iteration

[weary goblet]

Yeah, I just thought I wouldn't be that rusty

But I felt like someone changed my PC settings

[gaunt phoenix]

huge 0.4%

[frail veldt]

Well this is kind of a new rotation so old habits need to be broken a bit

[weary goblet]

Everything was off

True

[livid sand]

Do we have a priority list?

E.g.
BTE keeps on procing, so i maximum sinister (or pistol shot if 6 stacks?) once, to have it 6+ and bte again, it procs again ... do i press something else as long its proccing?

[random stirrup]

I will not play thieves u cannot make me

if i have a single second without energy I will explode!

[frail veldt]

Yep p much if it's proccing just keep following the normal rotation

[weary goblet]

#1174378766622015508 message

[frail veldt]

So if it procs and you're at 5 then build

If it procs and at 6 then bte again

[livid sand]

so BTE > everything? I guess I still sneak in a blade rush if its off cooldown and in aoe keep casting blade flurry?

[gaunt phoenix]

BR is a cooldown so it has priority over finishers (BtE)

[livid sand]

But dispatch and killing spree basically wait until bte is really on cooldown and stops proccing?

[frail veldt]

Yeah bte is a higher finisher prio than dispatch and KS

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, bte (and prep bte) is the priority over other finishers

except slice and dice in prepull

[frail veldt]

Tru

[livid sand]

thanks!

and 6 stack opportunity: pistol shot is used whenever, doesnt mather how many CP as long its <6 to build for bte/dispatch basically?

[glass mortar]

used over SS, still under BF iirc

but yes basically

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[nimble sage]

How does outlaw compare to assassination in m+ now?

[gaunt phoenix]

both good

big dam

[livid sand]

and compared to sub? 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

three good

[rotund haven]

Any new pre key fuckery on trickster?

[glass mortar]

solo i neeeeeed you to tell me its better

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[livid sand]

In a 5 target dummy situation, Sub idles in ~180k dps for me, while Assa/outlaw idle in around ~130k

[valid hound]

wow, so u use 6-stack opportunity pp even if you're cp capped?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[glass mortar]

you dont use a builder if you are CP capped

[gaunt phoenix]

finishers have priority over builders

[glass mortar]

because you dont need to build CP

[valid hound]

alright

[native tinsel]

it might my monkey brain of gamba talking, but i was under the impression that if you procced bte, you HAD TO continue pressing, that desync a lot of my AR because, sometimes it procced so much that I started to press BTE with <1min for AR and ended up with AR reseted already and BTE spent

[valid hound]

i read in the log section u mentioned it's very bad if 6 stack are sitting (not being used) – i believe u, but can u pls explain why?

[glass mortar]

ur supposed to stop pressing it when AR gets under 30s

because the rule is to hold BtE for AR

[native tinsel]

yeah, i noticed that after so many desyncs

but know, slot right

[gaunt phoenix]

it's bad to build with sinister strike when you have 6 opp

[native tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/boomer-gambling-boomer-gamble-gambling-boomer-slots-boomers-gif-5999621320771440284

[gaunt phoenix]

because you will overcap opportunity

[native tinsel]

[gaunt phoenix]

as oppprtunity is generated from sinister strike

[valid hound]

and opportunity pistol shots generally deal higher damage than sinister strike?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[valid hound]

got it now

thx

[livid sand]

why is something like that not written into the wowhead rotation, thats gold!

[gaunt phoenix]

it's in my #outlaw-faq

[livid sand]

(i just dip my toes into outlaw in silvermoon, trying to get the rotation down in muscle memory)

[glass mortar]

its a minor minmax iirc, under the advanced section

wowhead might not have all the advanced rules idk i havent checked it in awhile

[livid sand]

oh nice!

[valid hound]

thx man, i'll need to get in-depth with it

[livid sand]

@gaunt phoenix do you only play outlaw or also play the other rogue builds?

[gaunt phoenix]

only been outlaw since bfa

[native tinsel]

btw, why 30s rule if the cd is 45s?

[livid sand]

I usually play what performs the best, as im not really tight to a spec.. but atm it seems hard to say which one performs best, right?
I was Sub until today basically... and now im in an identity crisis 🙁

[frail veldt]

True goat

[glass mortar]

just where it ended up being optimal

you'll notice if u use 30s u basically always have bte ready even if u just sent it to get AR to ~30s or under

as ur second finisher at least

so it still gets supercharged

[gaunt phoenix]

i think at 45s you are guaranteed to lose a bte cast

which pushes it in suboptimal range

[valid hound]

solo, is it sometimes smart not to cast AR opener 1-2 sec before the pull, but rather 1-2 sec after the pull?

e.g. a lot of the time a tank will pull but move them the boss, therefore u might not be in your cloud for extra dps

[gaunt phoenix]

yes it's fine

[native tinsel]

how much of a loss is it to send opp3 when 5cp compared to ss?

[native tinsel]

goddamn

[valid hound]

wait so when you are sending opp3? at 2-4cp?

[gaunt phoenix]

at 1-3

though 1-4 shouldnt matter rly

yea 4 is fine

[valid hound]

alright

[glass mortar]

trickster builders rules aka nothing matters u always end up inefficient anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

though im not sure how often you land at 4 with 3 opp anyway

[valid hound]

and from the faq, as far as i understood – 6opp send whenever (unless capped and ready for finisher)

[gaunt phoenix]

when you need to build cps, 6 opp has priority over ss

[fossil sable]

I asked earlier but since you're here I'll ask again solo, if you don't mind

With ace resets on BTE, if your reset gives you 5CPs instead of 6, do we just keep spamming or do we SS > BTE on the reset to get 6/7 CPs?

The answer was to spend the SS to get to 6+ CP for BTE

[valid hound]

makes sense

man i was making so much mistakes xD

didnt even know

[glass mortar]

the answer u were given were correct

[gaunt phoenix]

you build to 6

not always SS, would be PS if at 6 opp

[fossil sable]

Lol ty both of you

[valid hound]

solo, one question, if we're sending opp3 even at 1cp, don't we get to 5cp, therefore whatever u press next, it will overcap?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

that's how it goes

[valid hound]

but it doesnt actually mater

okay

[gaunt phoenix]

it is a design flaw with outlaw

[valid hound]

so basically just dont use opp3 at 0cp

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw should not have 7cps

[frail veldt]

You can't ever be at 0

Ruthlessness always gives at least 1

[gaunt phoenix]

you will always start at 1 yea

[frail veldt]

Unless you finisher below 5cp

[valid hound]

but then, whether you are at 3 or 6 opp, you will press it?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[valid hound]

ok

[glass mortar]

if u end up at 1 CP with 1 opp

[livid sand]

and even if we press it on 4-5, it seems to only sim ~.7% lower 😄

[glass mortar]

the order of ur next two builders (if BF isnt in play) doesnt matter

the results are all the same

nothing matter

SPEND AT 6

SPEND AT A;SLDALDKAN;

i need a coffee

[livid sand]

to me those 0.7% sound like, I just press pistol whenever to build if its up instead of sinister.. might just macro it xD

[glass mortar]

u cant macro them together they are on the gcd and always available

[livid sand]

ohh

[glass mortar]

it will only ever cast the first spell

[fossil sable]

If KS is to be used at 5 CPs (I was told that yday), the rotation section may want that detail

[valid hound]

yea basically only two mistakes u can make are:

• letting 6 opp sit unused
• pressing 3 opp pistol when you're at 5

[fossil sable]

Unless it really doesn't matter

[gaunt phoenix]

that's just kind of how outlaw is

if u skip too many steps those 0.7% add up

but outlaw is mostly about APM rather than the minutiae rules

[livid sand]

true, isnt that hard to get into muscle memory I think, after playing for a while

even those 4 minutes just messing at the dummies, started to feel very comfortable

Its funny, with my gear options, even with a 269hero sword, outlaw sims like 15k dps higher than my outlaw with its mythic weapon (thats with only 1 embelishment too)..

so crafting a 285 sword, would end up with a 20k dps upgrade in sims (thats dungeon slice)

[glass mortar]

that sounds wrong... embelishments arent THAT strong

ur mythic weapon is a slow weapon not a dagger right...

[gaunt phoenix]

u shouldnt compare dungeonslice, it's an arbitrary situation to help model boss+aoe

you dont run the exact events of dungeonslice in game

[livid sand]

should I compare patchwerk?

[gaunt phoenix]

between specs, i mean there is a broad comparison for vorasius sure

cuz he is patchwerk

[glass mortar]

er yea im confused

did you mean u were comparing hero weapon outlaw with mythic weapon of not outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

yes he meant outlaw vs sin/sub

[livid sand]

No, my Sub has a mythic 289 (kricks dagger) + 285 crafted

my outlaw has a 269 hero cosmos + 289 dagger off hand

[glass mortar]

ah ok yea u dont wanna compare between specs of dslice

[livid sand]

and with that, it already sims higher in dslice

[glass mortar]

its a calculator for finding optimal gear

not for telling u what ur dungeon dps will be or what ur spec is capable of

[livid sand]

Okay, so I rather compare Patchwerk then

[glass mortar]

patchwerk is closer to that

still not perfect tho

[gaunt phoenix]

even then, ill tell you rn

outlaw is very easy to model in simc

sin/sub are complicated

[livid sand]

i just want to find something that indicates which spec would perform best for me with my gear

[valid hound]

i guess that depends on what stats gear have?

outlaw is mostly crit/haste

[livid sand]

if I look on warcraft logs, ~90th percentile, it seems outlaw outperforms sub/sin

[valid hound]

as far as i saw, sub is mastery

[gaunt phoenix]

you just cant delegate that to the robot unfortunately

i think all specs are tuned fine so you pick one and gear it

[valid hound]

i'd recommend u to play what you personally like most, cuz u can dps huge with any of them

if u pick purely based on parse, you might not like the spec at all, and does a high parse matter anymore

[livid sand]

i played all specs over the years and enjoy all equally, im a rogue not a spec 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

parses are a bit fake cuz people just dont play outlaw on the bosses where it's bad

[livid sand]

i guess same goes for sin, I only really see it played on paladins & vorasius somehow?

[gaunt phoenix]

and then heroic is skewed by kill timer

[livid sand]

i was just looking on Mythic earlier

and for me M+ > raid

[gaunt phoenix]

yea, so outlaw sample is the early bosses

[native tinsel]

can outlaw skip in skyreach

[native tinsel]

the wind

[fair ice]

Wish m+ had patch separation

Unfortunate

[glass mortar]

that list also woulda had zac basically on the top last season when outlaw was prob the worst spec in the game

[gaunt phoenix]

in a perfect world, outlaw wins with uptime and where burst doesnt matter, sub wins where 90s burst matters, sin wins where 2min burst matters

[glass mortar]

just sayin

[near rock]

They will soon

[glass mortar]

[frozen quest]

I don’t think trickster is the way, fatebound was way better to play

[glass mortar]

trickster is definitly the way because they gave it way too much power but fatebound is definitly more enjoyable to play

[near rock]

also the only bosses that outlaw is genuinely bad at (in regards to all 3 specs) is beloren imo

[vivid vessel]

i was r1, wox also played outlaw and was r2

outlaw good in s3 tww?

holy

[glass mortar]

xddd

best rogue spec easily

[harsh crystal]

Is Outlaw meta now with changes? Please say yes 😭

[mighty pivot]

everyone is instainviting outlaws now

[mystic berry]

had a dk last night telling me to play a real rogue and reroll to ass, he didnt get the memo

[glass mortar]

maybe he just didnt want ur farts all over his key

[junior lake]

been playing cleave comp with my mates. I'm having so much fun

[glass mortar]

🦨

[harsh crystal]

Sick, this is all the info I needed

[frozen quest]

Zac pls tell me is it worth to play outlaw or does it feel bad i saw your last Stream where u were ragin about energy and spec feel shit

[proven ocean]

Zac always rages even if everything is good

Also

He rages at me yes

[mystic berry]

zac always rages

[proven ocean]

Cuz im bad

[mystic berry]

its his baseline

[proven ocean]

Hi outlaws

[glass mortar]

ross thats like the third nickname change in a couple days....

is everything alright......

[proven ocean]

Im ur villain

You hate me

I hate your spec

[frozen quest]

Guess he found out energy starving

[proven ocean]

Therefore no good energy for you buddy

[glass mortar]

i do, i do hate this spec

if nothing changes i will be gone in 2 months time tho so no worries there

[near rock]

@vivid vessel I was rampant abandon potting during egg last night

big mistake

[frozen quest]

Ok then I start playing outlaw if u guys think it’s good

Which keylvl should I try learn it 11s too low? I’m Resi 16 with sub doe

[ebon solar]

bois leech or avoidance for m+

[prisma heron]

People bouncing around to the meta specs always crack me up 😂

[keen belfry]

if ur resi 16 with sub list ur resi 16 and just int as outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

think most ppl go leech

[cedar bone]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[keen belfry]

solo ive never seen so many people say im gonna try out outlaw

[formal thunder]

first try

[keen belfry]

this is kinda wild!

[gaunt phoenix]

try outlaw for a key, wtf this is garbage, leave

[lone surge]

does anyone dispatch between the eyes macro? Like when between the eyes is off cd it will use that? or is this bad

[glass mortar]

many such cases

u cant macro that

[gaunt phoenix]

not possible

[frozen quest]

@keen belfry what comp should I try out melee ? With brew/arms/enh or ele/resto?

[ebon solar]

its bad

[glass mortar]

it literally doesnt work it will never cast anything but the first spell you have in it

[keen belfry]

melee comp

we are tuned around raid buffs

playing m+ with 2/4 raid buffs you will feel meh

lower than that bad

3/4 fine as long as u have monk shaman warr its good

i think zac was doing his first non raid buff runs of the season last night, just getting gapped by warlork aug

[formal thunder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDSwheTvdRgiN4tjqm4CDC
HC plume slightly outperforming Myth Prism
Guess I'm taking socket or another reroll from vault?

[keen belfry]

funny stuff!

[frozen quest]

Is resto druid or resto shami better to heal melees?

[keen belfry]

take rsham for buff cuh

both can heal u

[glass mortar]

resto druids the better healer innit but u dont care about that

thats healer problem

u just want the juicy buff

[tropic zephyr]

rsham

[keen belfry]

i think rsham good now

8% healing

30% dmg

[frozen quest]

Thanks guys

[tropic zephyr]

yeah it's probably better, but I'm pugging 17s and going into 18s rn and all the rsham i've seen were so ass

that I just stopped inviting them

i'm fine with 2 monks in my group ngl

[keen belfry]

i hate raid buffs

so much

(in m+)

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

man if it were up to me i'd normalize the fuck out of the game

maybe it'll kill it idk

but that's what i'd do

[keen belfry]

literally just enable raid buffs to all when u enter m+

[jolly geyser]

Remove racials and buffs

[lone surge]

are there any good pve macros I can use for outlaw im brand new to this class

[frozen quest]

3rd dps feral then

[keen belfry]

I CANT SIGN UP TO YOUR KEY WHEN I SEE AN AUG WARLOCK

[hybrid pecan]

I see kroluk's is A tier but that must be for raid only right?

It seems trash for M+ it did 1% of my damage

[tropic zephyr]

make racials be something you choose
remove all raid buffs (raid and M+) so no more tuning around it
add a utility talent that works the same way as PvP talent so that everybody can pick the utility needed

ez

now you can add soloQ

cause every comp is playable

gg

1000x times more concurrent key being played

instead of people afk in silvermoon

[wintry solar]

[tropic zephyr]

you don't actually need to do all that, but it's depressing cause when you tag an 18+ key there's like the equivalent of 10 groups ready to go in the invite list

so 50 people that wants to play

but can't

[glass mortar]

other then @cursor for grapple there isnt much

[tender tulip]

is it still possible to add a glow effect on KIR if we are at spefic stage like we used to with WA's? 😄

[glass mortar]

i use a kick macro to tab kick stuff for kick parsing and some mouseovers/focus for kicks/ccs leftover from pvp i got used to but none of this is needed

[stuck magnet]

Does anyone know how to import a profile into SUF? I don't see an import button anywhere in the profile tab Figured it out

[vivid vessel]

you havent seen this iteration of outlaw energy

you know how i complained about tww outlaw having energy issues sometimes

now imagine thats just normal gameplay

all the time

thats trickster

[fossil lintel]

Why not? Sign up and go fart on them

[prisma heron]

Finishing on 6 feels so bad

[blazing field]

where is the pruning ??? 12.5 is massive bloat XD

[vivid vessel]

frfr !

[inland meteor]

is 1hr tricks bugged or something

[vivid vessel]

prune killing spree

[inland meteor]

why does it keep falling off

[vivid vessel]

you need to activate it

uh

wdym

it doesnt fall off

[glass mortar]

u activate it and get 30s normal tricks

[inland meteor]

i used it like 3 times and it always had a duration of 30 seconds

[glass mortar]

if that expires u dont get perma

u need to procd tricks

[inland meteor]

ohh

[glass mortar]

like hitting a dude

[fossil lintel]

It only falls off if you die. If the tank dies and release you can send everything to them

[glass mortar]

then it becomes the 60m variant

[inland meteor]

ok

[jovial dome]

But then we fart and bloat gone

[blazing field]

i fking hate RTB

[frail veldt]

They forgot

[fossil lintel]

The energy is so bad right now, Zac did you have a better time with the haste flasks you were testing?

[frosty hill]

redrag it on your bars

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frozen quest]

@zac mythic solarplasm out of vault or heroic prism?

[glass mortar]

wat

[fossil lintel]

Is it noticeable?

[vivid vessel]

idk what solarplasm is

[vivid vessel]

i think so ?

but i basically got +4% haste

and flickering

[frosty hill]

redrag tricks on your bars from spell book. I had same issue. it was using the old 30sec version for whatever reason.

[frozen quest]

The skyreach what u use

[glass mortar]

there is no old 30s version

[fossil lintel]

Solar prism

[glass mortar]

u werent having an issue

[vivid vessel]

what is heroic prism then

im confused

[glass mortar]

perma tricks always gives 30s, then u proc it and it turns into 60m

the initial "hit something to start the buff on tank" buff is always 30s regardless of trickster or FB

[frozen quest]

Balg yellow crit one but heroic

[vivid vessel]

ah

belloren?

[blissful idol]

xdd

bro ragebaiting

[frail veldt]

Im playing with 25% haste and there are still some times where I run dry

[frozen quest]

Yes sry not at home

[frail veldt]

but its definitely better than with 21

[vivid vessel]

ok idk

what you are asking

beloren trinket ?

im so confused

[frozen quest]

What to take

[vivid vessel]

use words

please

real ones

[wintry solar]

Fuh reel

[frail veldt]

rofl

[vivid vessel]

i do not understand

[fossil lintel]

I'm at 24 and can flask for 27

[frozen quest]

I’m at work mate sry

[vivid vessel]

ok well

[wide flare]

Any best dungeons to use rolls in? I know it will depend for everyone but surely there are some better ones?

[vivid vessel]

im not at work

[blissful idol]

mythic solar and what else

[vivid vessel]

checkmates

[fossil lintel]

Where is Ryu to show us the 40% haste way when we need him?

[hazy temple]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[wide flare]

POS looks good with a lot of haste/crit gear

[jolly geyser]

Mastery

[frozen quest]

Yellow Bird trinket hc or guidon mythic for sub

[vivid vessel]

for sub ?

what

[blissful idol]

SUB?

HAHAHAHA

[fossil lintel]

Get out

[unique fulcrum]

guys question, are the bonus rolls fixed now

[vivid vessel]

am i getting trolled rn bro

[blissful idol]

xdd

[frozen quest]

I have 3 trinkets on vault

[vivid vessel]

this is outlaw channel tho bro

i dont know

ask sub guys

use raibdot

[frozen quest]

2 for Outlaw and 1 sub

[prisma lantern]

We heard you wanted energy. Sub has energy.

[jolly geyser]

He did mastery build

[fossil lintel]

Zac you talk about sub here all the time

He did a haste build

[vivid vessel]

@frozen quest sim mythic prism vs beloren hc

[wide flare]

Or sim yourself with each and different specs

[vivid vessel]

idk which is better

for outlaw

[wide flare]

Take 5minutes and you’ll be sure

[cobalt sail]

We got new ring enchants mhhhh

[frozen quest]

Ok will Post sim later

[pliant wave]

Anyone else feel like Trickster is annoying as hell to play with how much CP it wastes, or is it just me?

[unique fulcrum]

its not just you

[vivid vessel]

thats everyone

[proven surge]

Jackpot roll baby !!! No energy baby !!!

[wide flare]

I was kind of confused yesterday while raiding. When exactly do you apply 3 stacks of fazed, sometimes I was not in smoke but still apllying three stacks

Does the smoke give you a buff?

[vivid vessel]

im kinda juiced up no

[blissful idol]

it still lingers after u leave

[proven surge]

It lingers for 10sec after you leave the smoke

[fluid meadow]

ánlááki

[fossil lintel]

Your crit seems a bit low, no?

[vivid vessel]

ye i have to get infinite haste

so the spec is playable

[inland meteor]

just got dcd and now i cant strafe or jump anymore

amazing

[fossil lintel]

Is that without flask?

[vivid vessel]

thats haste flask

[fossil lintel]

I get the same haste as you with haste flask pretty much, let me check

[vivid vessel]

i ahve a lot of mastery tho

cause of this dogshit

[fossil lintel]

Oh that is probably why

[vivid vessel]

rest of my gear is good stated on every piece

but

head ruins everything

[mighty pivot]

run puzzle box for masterymaxxing

[vivid vessel]

[blissful idol]

u looking to get seat head?

[frozen quest]

Seat Head is good

[vivid vessel]

im not looking for anything for now

because

until i have socket on belt

[mighty pivot]

that dungeon has 10 drops you cannot bonus roll the head

[pliant wave]

I bought that for a ton of gold since Zac was using it, was it actually bad?

[vivid vessel]

i cant really gert a socket to replace that head

[pliant wave]

NOOO

[vivid vessel]

wdym

the head i use?

[pliant wave]

Yeah

[tropic zephyr]

kek

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[mighty pivot]

[vivid vessel]

its good if you play sub and sin

lol

its one of our worse stated head tho

but its like

the only head from raid so