outlaw

[buoyant cosmos]

Ouch 🙁

[lucid sparrow]

is that tea range

?

@vivid vessel

[blissful gate]

and i bonus rolled chim and got mythic tier chest (again)

at least this one had leech

[thick coyote]

Probs tea charges

[buoyant cosmos]

Next week soldier

surely

[blissful gate]

we pray

i have all 289 weapons 🤷🏻‍♀️

[buoyant cosmos]

blizzard cashes another 14.99

all according to plan

[blissful gate]

is this the tradeoff

first week was myth track kricks

cant win em all

[vivid vessel]

tea stacks ye

[true jackal]

erm gang

is bonus roll thing fixed

?

[vivid vessel]

blizzard said its fixed

but can you really trust them ?

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm not coining pit twice

[vivid vessel]

im not coining this week

too risky

[lament arrow]

I thought we were supposed to be gamblers

[true jackal]

looks like i wont coin this week too

[buoyant cosmos]

I think a raid boss is worth

but not m+

[vivid vessel]

maybe

[buoyant cosmos]

Not when we know the house will always win

[true jackal]

maybe if i feel lucky i roll on mythic chim for gaze

[vivid vessel]

im not reclearing end bosses this week

so idk

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah you're a fringe

different game lowkey

[cinder relic]

Dude ppl say rogue is so bad at solo content

but this rituals

Rogue is so fucking OP

stealth is just so busted

[craggy barn]

ye

[true jackal]

i farmed 4 challange t5 like crazy

got all sets

[fossil lintel]

Rogue was bad at solo content on pre season

[true jackal]

stleath kill things only u need to

[placid ocean]

Vial buff though, clearly rogue is peak for solo content now

[native tinsel]

i always find solo content ok for rogue because of the stealth

[lucid sparrow]

THEY FIXED

HAWKSTRIDER ANIMATION

[cinder relic]

Got it

[hollow bloom]

One step closer to rogue tanking

[cinder relic]

TS gonna look so good on my warrior

[fallen oar]

How necessary actually is it to cast slice and dice pre-pull?

[vivid vessel]

is that ring contested btw

voracius ring

[wintry solar]

Cringe

Where's the blue set!

[cinder relic]

fo real I want the blue set too

[wintry solar]

I liked the purple until I saw the blue now the blue is all I care about

[outer meteor]

another week no gaze

:((((((

[buoyant cosmos]

Is blue gonna be from something else?

[cinder relic]

Yeah probs some other event

Maybe next anniversary

[wintry solar]

I can't wait that long :(

[buoyant cosmos]

Gotcha

[buoyant cosmos]

medically induced coma

[wintry solar]

I gotta work

[buoyant cosmos]

Get hit on the head at work, workers comp

ez

[wintry solar]

Hmm

I can think of something

[buoyant cosmos]

A guy I knew back in Wrath got hurt on base while deployed, 100% disability at 24 and just played wow all day

[hollow bloom]

100% is pretty good life

[buoyant cosmos]

I just hope he wasn't homebound

[burnt sable]

im a noob at outlaw i haven't played it since bfa if i just follow what they say in pinned i should be good enough for like 15s right

[lucid sparrow]

pirate hat on and start throwing it back

dispatch style

[burnt sable]

thats what i wanna hear

[lucid sparrow]

or cowboy hat whichever u prefer

[burnt sable]

pirate for sure

[lucid sparrow]

this spec apparently has both of the fantasies in one

🏴‍☠️

[frail veldt]

so like

this new spec feels awful

lowkey

the lowrolls are so abysmal

[lucid sparrow]

did u change to sleight

[glass breach]

Blow on your dice harder

[frail veldt]

im about to this next dungeon

[lucid sparrow]

it feels way better imo

[frail veldt]

I hope so

[burnt sable]

so u drop acro for sleight?

[lucid sparrow]

yea

[burnt sable]

idk if its my rng but with acro

im either high rolling like crazy or im getting 1 pairs for like

8 rolls

[quick ridge]

I’m still running fatebound and it feels really nice with new ace, I know it’s worse on sims though

[weary goblet]

I came back for midnight, after quitting end of S1 DF, so it's been a while since I touched outlaw.

Since expansion launch, I've been entirely Sub/Assa. Yesterday I ran some 12-14 keys to practice some outlaw. I am so rusty on it, it's crazy - but also I felt very awkward on the spec and wasn't sure if it's just my rust

[frail veldt]

the spec feels awkward yeah

prep is very awkward to use

smoke cloud is awkward

KS is awkward

[lucid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sols-rng-solsrng-rng-sols-jjk-gif-11171481470573563208

[frail veldt]

specs just in a weird place

[buoyant cosmos]

What if all of the devs were ganked by rogues as teenagers and want to sabatogue the spec for revenge

[lucid sparrow]

smoke cloud just need a whole animation rework or removal

genuinely has me stressing out

[weary goblet]

The fart should just linger on us, like a fart aura

[cinder relic]

What would even be the point of that

At that point just make it after u use ur cooldown u get the effect

[weary goblet]

I don't have to think about it

[lucid sparrow]

it should just be more of a light haze circling the area

not 2004 graphical smoke clouds covering the floor

[hollow bloom]

It should give DR and LOS so the graphic actually means something

[weary goblet]

Listen, it's probably just growing pains from not playing OL for so long, but yeah, spec felt quite awkward

[frail veldt]

yeah some border or something would help

and no actual smoke

[zenith sparrow]

is there a raid talents for hybrid fights with the new changes?

[frail veldt]

or less obtrusive

[cinder relic]

It does have a border

[hollow bloom]

Ya has like a white border no?

[cinder relic]

Like idk

I feel like I never have issues being like "am I in idk"

[lucid sparrow]

fixed the effect for u

[hollow bloom]

Are you in it? I can’t tell anymore

[wintry solar]

Life must be pretty good if cloud is a real complaint atm

[thick coyote]

I was having a stroke looking at this

[delicate furnace]

Can someone tell me the numerical amount of haste I need? Not percentage, only thing that pops up 🙂

[lucid sparrow]

why

[delicate furnace]

Haste

[cinder relic]

Like idk

750+

[lucid sparrow]

more like 950

[vivid vessel]

[buoyant cosmos]

gotta go fast

gotta go fast

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

noob

[hollow temple]

280 = 28%

[proven ocean]

My haste is over 1000

Noob

[hollow temple]

more den u nub

[proven ocean]

LOLOLO LOWER HASTE THAN NOTEICKZ

Professional noob, Zac.

[lucid sparrow]

real noob

[proven ocean]

React kekw if zac is noob

[hollow bloom]

This guy got recipts

[lucid sparrow]

he reacted to his own message

[proven ocean]

Yooo so zac is a moob

Lets goo

[buoyant cosmos]

Ross tech is crazy innit

[proven ocean]

Ross tech

[quaint mauve]

@leaden sage hi other rogue

ross

[proven ocean]

I reacted to my own msg from 5 alt accounts how about that

[quaint mauve]

pls change back

[proven ocean]

To what

[tender wedge]

what happened to awang where is that dude

[quaint mauve]

i dont like this change

[proven ocean]

I dont like your change

What change? Ye exactly

[fluid meadow]

nicename

[proven ocean]

Ty

[vivid vessel]

how does the hunt embel works

[cinder relic]

gives u a stat buff based on the race of the target

[vivid vessel]

ye but

wtf are the races

cause in sims its like

idk

i assume it average

but it could be giga or trash on a boss

depending on the boss

[grizzled ravine]

Just rerolled to devourer much better

[vivid vessel]

lura is a darkened naary

wtf is that

naaru

[lucid sparrow]

naaru are like

[vivid vessel]

ok bro

[lucid sparrow]

gods of light

[cinder relic]

vers

She gives u vers

[vivid vessel]

okok

[keen belfry]

trying to make a rue from hunger games joke rn

[craggy barn]

zac

u know the void mobs after 2nd boss magisters?

wtf are u supposed to do if they just fuckign tp shred u

[zealous plinth]

U guys hold AR for a bit now till the pull is done in m+?

[vivid vessel]

thats why we skip them all

big shroud

[craggy barn]

oh shit

huge tech

how the hell do non rog groups do it then

[vivid vessel]

they are tanky

[craggy barn]

crazy

[vivid vessel]

but i mean

idk

[craggy barn]

i got fucking NUKED

[vivid vessel]

at some point

[craggy barn]

in a 17

[vivid vessel]

5 shreders

[craggy barn]

0 preparation on that shit happening

[vivid vessel]

is just not possible lol

i thikn you will have to skip

invi pot

or whatever

its not doable these mobs no way

in higher keys

[craggy barn]

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/192becdd-0a85-40ba-9a4f-7832c7c06d08

excuse the random fart

[fallen oar]

So sims are saying like 113k for outlaw rn (absolutely insane) but I'm only really managing to get out about 85-90 on a dummy. Is outlaw really responsive to like lust and things like that? I'm pretty darn certain I'm not doing the rotation wrong in any way.

[craggy barn]

i was hoping we'd stay and i just dropped it

its fucking stupid zac

just insta dead

[lucid sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GejXfWXBgAU

wait theres more

[craggy barn]

like all of em went on me

[lucid sparrow]

r u srs

[craggy barn]

liek wtf

[vivid vessel]

nice fart bro

[craggy barn]

yea

awful fart

also

idk why this shit thinks we depleted

we timed it

[keen belfry]

i have no idea what mobs ur talking about

[keen belfry]

ive been in here on a 20

[craggy barn]

these boys

[keen belfry]

hm

[keen belfry]

maybe we just lucky they didnt fuck us?

[craggy barn]

like all of them just jumped to ME

theres 6 of them in that whole hallway

fucking insane

[hollow bloom]

Lol instant, cant even react

[craggy barn]

yea

like 0 react

like nothing u can do

except talent cheat

[hollow bloom]

Thats rough buddy

[craggy barn]

whatever we timed it

but still

fcking insane

[keen belfry]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/mzave4WYj_-9KTY_m?invite=cr-MSxjMlMsNDU1MDEwMw check this dmg tho

then ic an go to bed

embedd?

ty

[craggy barn]

bro my damage fell off swapping to trickster idk

im so bad rn

[vivid vessel]

what was the name of the icon i was using for ghostly strike guys

[craggy barn]

saber slash?

[cinder relic]

Think it was saber slash

[cinder relic]

Whats the issue

[craggy barn]

also rog up good

better than every class

on saladbar

ez

[vivid vessel]

yes thanks

saber slash

[keen belfry]

its still outlaw, u can get punished for low play

i had mments today where i suck

[craggy barn]

ye keys ive just been sucking lately

[vivid vessel]

they do 200k a pop in 20 i think

so like

[craggy barn]

yea its death

[vivid vessel]

ye

very bad mob !

[craggy barn]

like straight up insta death

LOL

[vivid vessel]

but then you have the exact same mob

here

[cedar bone]

bro i just watch your vod and why you dont press KS?

[vivid vessel]

that will also one pop you

[vivid vessel]

i was fatebound

[craggy barn]

ks sucks

[vivid vessel]

accident

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

[hollow bloom]

Where are the heals?? pings on healer

[cedar bone]

kekW

[craggy barn]

zac did yall time keys today

[vivid vessel]

i did a fatebound key wioth ks

[cedar bone]

i was wondering about my whole existence

[vivid vessel]

we played 1 h bro

idk

[craggy barn]

ah

so like just that skyreach?

[vivid vessel]

well we did do 20 skyreach

[proper crown]

Flask? Pot? Monk buff? Shaman buff? Warrior buff? Food buff? Oils? You ain't hitting full buff sim.

[craggy barn]

ya i was watchin that

[vivid vessel]

and the timer was good

even tho we played bad

and i was first time trickster

which was quite bad

[craggy barn]

ye just straight in there

but u popped off first pull on the 21

[vivid vessel]

i got quite better after playing more keys later

[craggy barn]

with the ez jackpot

[vivid vessel]

ye

[fallen oar]

good mf point

I have consumes but no buffs

And no lust

[proper crown]

Yeah thats a lot of damage.

[craggy barn]

i dont think i played saladbar fully correct

[cedar bone]

guys im new to outlaw can someone check my log ? i posted earlier im down to get ripped appart

[craggy barn]

idk if i shoulda intentionally held farts for spin phase

probably should huh?

[proper crown]

As long as you dont lose a whole cast. How big is spin amp?

[craggy barn]

25

[proper crown]

Not sure then tbh.

[craggy barn]

oh wait

i beat zac

ez

[vivid vessel]

gapped

[craggy barn]

huge gap

[unique fulcrum]

^zac how much crit do you have, since u seem to be running haste flask

[craggy barn]

im also rank 9 chim now

i got beat by a demo

[vivid vessel]

this is with flask and weapon thingeis

[craggy barn]

sadge

[unique fulcrum]

thank you, so i guess haste is big now as trickster for m+?

[vivid vessel]

it sims basically the same as crit for me

( i had to sim longer sims like 30/40min instead of slice )

so yue

[keen belfry]

getting his haste requires a massive haste jewelry

[vivid vessel]

feels better

i mean thats not true

[buoyant stratus]

STOP THE COUNT

[craggy barn]

holy

[buoyant stratus]

XD

[vivid vessel]

you can have the same haste as me without the neck

[keen belfry]

dont ur neck got like 300 haste on it

[unique fulcrum]

this is mine with flask and all

[craggy barn]

im only rank 36

[vivid vessel]

230

[craggy barn]

and its blue

insane

[buoyant stratus]

I have no idea how allstars work but this is not correct

[craggy barn]

well it is

[keen belfry]

im at 24%

[craggy barn]

when theres not that many laws

[vivid vessel]

i mena if you killed more bosses

than others

early on

its quite easy

[buoyant stratus]

Ah thats the tech

I c

Okay

Nobody else

[vivid vessel]

ye

[craggy barn]

low pop spec + faster

[buoyant stratus]

Play outlaw in raid

Ty

[vivid vessel]

every boss give between 0 and 120 points

120 is r1

[keen belfry]

im rank 107 outlaw according to all stars 🙁

[vivid vessel]

the guy with the most point is highest all star

[keen belfry]

107.............................

[vivid vessel]

which does mean

[craggy barn]

how awang

i thought u were on more bosses than me

[vivid vessel]

if you are just a guy doing every boss as law

[keen belfry]

no cuh

[vivid vessel]

you have a big advantage

over a guy not doing a boss as outlaw

dont even need to r1 any boss

[keen belfry]

wait im dumb

[craggy barn]

how many u at awang

[keen belfry]

4/9

[buoyant stratus]

Neato

[craggy barn]

ah

[frail veldt]

how do I put my weps on my back

wheres that setting at

[unique fulcrum]

transmog guy

[craggy barn]

my score hasnt settled in yet

[buoyant stratus]

That will not be happening again

[frail veldt]

im at the guy

[craggy barn]

but i have 2 scores waiting

[buoyant stratus]

This version of outlaw

Is so

So

[buoyant stratus]

Do

So

Bad

[frail veldt]

oh nvm IO see

[craggy barn]

do i gotta pad addss on vor

[frail veldt]

its in the weapons tab

[unique fulcrum]

select weapon

and then

[craggy barn]

or sit on boss

for parse

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt you are so jealous of the weapons rn

[keen belfry]

hit boss and cleave

i just fuck the boss on that boss

[vivid vessel]

back weapons goes crazy

fr fr

[frail veldt]

lol im using the saame sword

but the purple version

[tender tulip]

Is it worth switching to outlaw if im geared for sub in terms of stats? Not sure how different the secondaries are between the specs

[vivid vessel]

wtf ?

[craggy barn]

can u vanish adds still?

[vivid vessel]

purpel>?

there is no purple or

show

[cedar bone]

when panda for max blast

[vivid vessel]

ye panda so you cant live a single pull in keys

gg

[craggy barn]

im just doin this

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

new weps match the manaforge set

[vivid vessel]

crazy

wtf are those

where did you get them

i think i prefer them over mines actually

[frail veldt]

plunderstorm I think

[fallen oar]

Why be purple when you can just be a pirate for the last 4+ years? lmao

[vivid vessel]

ye i know but

i did all the plunderstorm thing for weapons idk

give me name

[vivid vessel]

wtf

i didnt get this set

im washed up or what

[frail veldt]

oof

ripppppp

[vivid vessel]

if i knew the weapon was this good

i would have done it

[frail veldt]

unfort

yeah I love these rapiers

so sick

all of the plunder ones are good

[vivid vessel]

i think it was the one thta needed giga farm tho

so idk

[frail veldt]

I dont think I farmed super hard

but I did win like every game so maybe I got it super quick

[craggy barn]

was that plunderstorm round 2

[frail veldt]

could have been yeah

[craggy barn]

yea i cba to do it again

i skipped that one

[vivid vessel]

Ah maybe I just didn't play round 2

Thats for nerds

[rotund cloud]

guys i gotta say, recleared heroic tonight on outlaw for the first time and boy was it good

[outer meteor]

i feel like my haste is cooked (unbuffed)

[keen belfry]

more than mine unbuffed!

[outer meteor]

but you prob have giga crit

[keen belfry]

37

or 36 i dont rmemeber

probs 36 no oils and shit

[outer meteor]

i need ring from vorasius!

[keen belfry]

but then ur gonna say ur haste is fucked!

[outer meteor]

but then

i can use haste flask!

and have more value

[keen belfry]

u just gonna be swapping stats around!

ubuffed stats

[outer meteor]

dont get too logical at me

i have low iq

[keen belfry]

my guy so banger

[outer meteor]

i will be dwarf tomorrow

[keen belfry]

that prism so giga

[outer meteor]

but no gaze

i got chest from bonus roll

[keen belfry]

same

[outer meteor]

at least all my tier pieces are now myth track

but no crests

[keen belfry]

myth gaze next week

i still havent even taken my vault

[outer meteor]

bro i had a crazy pull at dragons

but we wiped 🙁

15% and i was at like 200k

[keen belfry]

hopefully my guild kills dragons tomorrow

[outer meteor]

same

[keen belfry]

i think my guild sucks enough where i can parse

[balmy topaz]

Echoing repremand?

[balmy topaz]

yo wtf are those swords

[balmy topaz]

WHAT ARE THESE SWORDS

I NEED

[royal belfry]

hey guys, i got the same neck but mythic in vault. idk if i should take the neck and Ignore next week rolls on POS. or just take a socket and let the neck drop naturally from rolls.

i'm mostly doing POS for dagger but idk

[cloud turret]

Is it worth wasting the bonus roll fr the heroic beloren trinket?

[balmy topaz]

This week you wouldn't take socket

you would take the bonus roll

[stiff hawk]

I mean you could take bonus roll

[balmy topaz]

Depends how much you mythic raid

[stiff hawk]

and have a third roll in m10

[balmy topaz]

[stiff hawk]

[royal belfry]

4/9M don't have the time to mythic raid seriously sadly:/

Already spent my 2 rolls in POS got Ring and Wrist

[balmy topaz]

Then I'd take neck

Wait

you don't have dagger yet from there right

I mean even if you took neck from vault today

You'd still go back next week and farm for dagger and legs so

[royal belfry]

nope. that's my concern

[buoyant cosmos]

I had no idea it was using the magic rooster animation speed lol

[royal belfry]

like i feel i need to keep rolling for next week rolls

[balmy topaz]

I don't think it matters

[buoyant cosmos]

The b2b comparison is nuts

[royal belfry]

but i will also lose one roll if a roll give me the neck

:/

[balmy topaz]

No cus

If you have the item

you can't get it

from how it reads

[royal belfry]

ohhh, i thought you can't get it if the items comes from a roll

[buoyant cosmos]

It's actually supposed to work like that now too

[outer meteor]

isnt there supposed to be a 3400 achievment

why dont i have it

[hollow temple]

i think that is on hold atm

[outer meteor]

ah

classic

[ancient cobalt]

is adrenaline rush bugged sometimes on dummmy i didnt drop a smoke bomb

[outer meteor]

check pinned msg

[ancient cobalt]

ohh okay

i need the 30 energy i seee

wowie

[craggy barn]

its so fucked how the already energy starved version of the spec is even more energy fucked

[summer arch]

hey guys, as someone who never played outlaw, is outlaw difficult / very punishing if you don't play 100% optimal ?

[royal belfry]

"Once an item has been received using a Nebulous Voidcore, that item is removed from the loot pool for that player until all eligible items have been obtained on a per-difficulty basis"

i think my problem remains, should i just take the neck and hope my roll next week is the dagger lol

[unkempt dew]

Are we having fun yet?

[amber forum]

Quick question: Does BtE always have to be 6+ CP, even if it restarts 4 times, right?

[craggy barn]

yes

u just hit a sinister strike if it doesnt give u enough on a reset

[amber forum]

Thankssssss

[harsh mountain]

anyone know if crafting is fixed?

[royal belfry]

mmmm i think that's the best option actually

i still need to roll POS for the dagger don't i? taking the extra roll is just speeding it

instead of risking a duplicate

[cinder relic]

Anybody know if they fixed recrafts yet

[blissful gate]

find out for us

be brave

😎

[livid sand]

Does ilvl on off hand even matter much? Shouldnt a hero pos dagger be enough? 😮

[frail veldt]

Yes

Hero dagger beats any ilvl slow wep p sure

[red tendon]

What was broken? Didnt even knew it was broken and recrafted my bow on my hunter yesterday to remove enbelish without issues

[frozen quest]

Gonna be honest trickster Outlaw Look completly dogsh. Energy gain worse then before Stuck waiting for Energy and ks feels so Bad to press
Fatebound was way better

[craggy barn]

they reintroduced the previous bug where crafts would not upgrade the gear/maintain the ilvl properly

[red tendon]

Ah for me it went fine luckily

[craggy barn]

yea its random

[ripe pumice]

what stat pri on %% u have as outlaw ?

[livid sand]

I mean hero kricks beetle vs mythic kricks beetle, shouldnt be that much, right

[craggy barn]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[craggy barn]

u can go up to 25% haste just fine tho as trickster

[unique fulcrum]

i have 27%

copying zac cuz why not

[craggy barn]

ye

going more haste isnt awful

[unique fulcrum]

for dungeons anywaays

feels good for m+ ngl

[ripe pumice]

what how ?

[craggy barn]

flask

[ripe pumice]

aaaa okei

[ancient cobalt]

my sim is telling me to crit flask and only have 600 haste which is like 18% should i ignore it and just haste flask to get to at least 20-21%

maybe because im using a guidon as my only other trinket with gaze

on sub i gnore my sim all the time to hit the recc which is the play not sure about outlaw

[unkempt dew]

Im at 21% without flask and that feels a bit low

[ancient cobalt]

i guess i just guidon in adrenaline rush and itll get me to that 0.8

[hollow bloom]

Stack all the haste!

[ancient cobalt]

i got no more haste gg

[silent edge]

So we generally stack haste regardless of sims until like 25% unbuffed? I have 20% unbuffed and sims tells me to stack crit including flask for ST atm

Worth noting I have Lights Company equipped though dont no if that impacts?

[ancient cobalt]

idk if u ignore sims like sub

it should impact cause itll likely get u to the 0.8 gcd with the on use

[silent edge]

Most likely yes. I can try simming without it when i get home. But seems fair to assume that 22-23% unbuffed is the aim without lights company still right?

[ancient cobalt]

likely ya

[fading igloo]

18% on Outlaw is going to feel criminal

Ignore and use haste flask for sure

[novel birch]

Anyone else encountering a bug in general that prevents you using A and D to strafe?

It keeps happening to me, it's driving me wild

[mossy herald]

are u in the mirror delve

[novel birch]

Yeah, but it's been happening to me in time walking's too

[ancient cobalt]

+427 dps to use crit flask tho hmm

[mossy herald]

clear your cache and it'll prob fix

[ancient cobalt]

i have to use the guidon methink...

[hearty fog]

am i going crazy or some outlaw skills sound effects are reallly silent

[novel birch]

Is there a / command for that?

[silent edge]

How do light company enjoyers Macro it on Outlaw? Do you bind it to AR or just use it standalone due to the Nature of outlaw CDR?

[mossy herald]

deleting this fixed it for me

make sure you exit game when u do it tho

[high parrot]

okay sorry im sure this has been asked 20 times today but i just scrolled for 10 mins and cant find it..if you're at 5 CP and and stage 2+ RTB you still sinister strike and if you proc you just waste those 2 cps?

[ancient cobalt]

ss if op 3, pistol shot if opp 6 i think

[weary fog]

switching to a different character apparently fixes this

[high parrot]

and we're good with just wasting those CPs then?

[novel birch]

Noted. Pretty sure it's a new bug with this patch

[craggy barn]

yes

[high parrot]

if the sim says so then fine but damn that feels bad

[craggy barn]

u cant avoid wasting cps

just how shit is rn

[high parrot]

rip that sucks

[craggy barn]

if we didnt have max 7 cp

wouldnt be an issue

[novel birch]

I think 7CP's gives you just a little more bang if you overshoot your CP goal of 5-6

I think

[high parrot]

yeah im switching from fatebound where being able to send at five felt smooth af

[novel birch]

but you don't ever have to go to 7

[craggy barn]

nah it just means u are forced to build again instead of hitting a finisher

with max 7, u have to build to 6+

for dispatch on trickster

[sturdy tartan]

How’s outlaw feeling in key/raid ? I’m tempted to use my rolls and myth crests on outlaw gear , but it feels so bad on the training dummies

[high parrot]

just out of curiosity am i in the minority of thinking that this feels bad?

[craggy barn]

no

it feels bad

[hollow bloom]

I feel like the rogue attacks are a bit silent as well, but thats always been an issue for me. There’s not alot of omph to the attacks.

[craggy barn]

we just gotta do it

[high parrot]

sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

[craggy barn]

trickster builder rules suck

[novel birch]

I've genuinly been doing really well in mythics since Solo gave me that review on my logs and stuff

[craggy barn]

but thats just how the math works out

[novel birch]

usually keeping up with most other DPS

[high parrot]

before i go looking anyone know the dps loss on spending at 5

[cloud turret]

i always send bte with 7, feels wrong with less

[sturdy tartan]

Nice , mind sharing what they gave you tips on?

[high parrot]

not saying that i would of course in sims i trust all hail the sims

[ancient cobalt]

it just guidons on cd in the sim

okayy

[inland acorn]

My brain was like this yesterday in raid trying to deal with alleria mechanics, while being in a smoke, and dealing with RTB invis bug, which keeps happening like 500% more than before patch

[craggy barn]

on cd bc u are already at the req haste amount before guidons

[river wing]

cursed AF yeah

[inland acorn]

Like I legit had moments, where my brain fully lagged

[novel birch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/1491146942313660446
This was a god send for me

[inland acorn]

I don't see my RTB buff

So i look up to my buffs list, trying to fucking find it

which takes me like 1 second

i look back

And i see smoke

[craggy barn]

just gotta get the weak aura

for the rtb bug

sadge

[inland acorn]

And need to move, because i'm not sure if there's a puddle

like

[craggy barn]

surely they address it

[pearl topaz]

smoke em if you got em boys

[craggy barn]

like they did with defile

[pearl topaz]

as a weed smoker this has been a great patch

finally i have an excuse for standing in shit

[inland acorn]

i have it, but it's still shit, that I need to remember or check my buffs, to know what stage I'm at

At least damage wise, it is kinda pumping

But gameplay wise, it's just

If they fixed rtb bug + reduced smoke a little bit, it would've been ok I guess

[craggy barn]

fix rtb bug fix cloud energy bug fix visuals

[inland acorn]

Ye, I can live with having to build from 5

[craggy barn]

cloud energy bug is egregious

[inland acorn]

If we fix the bugs

[cloud turret]

why does it have to be a somoke? just do some knife shit that swirls around u

[inland acorn]

At the first couple pulls, I actually pressed ADR and didnt saw smoke

And then remembered, there is this fucking bug with 30 energy

[craggy barn]

?

oh smoke

[sturdy tartan]

Ty

[craggy barn]

they wanted to bring back the smoke bomb fantasy from long ago

but old smokebomb was cool utility that made sense to be floor covering

los anywhere was huge

[river wing]

and rather than fix it to be less broken, they just deleted it from pve

[inland acorn]

yep

[nocturne haven]

Do you know if we can read other log review ? And how to ?

[hollow bloom]

Devs are cowards! Make prep an OGCD!

[inland acorn]

click there for threads (most of them are log reviews)

[novel isle]

whats the bug? It disappearing sometimes?

[craggy barn]

ye

[novel isle]

is it that common?

[cloud turret]

tank spec?

[inland acorn]

sometimes is understatement

[cloud turret]

ops

[novel isle]

Dodge tank rouge would be sweet

[near osprey]

so if yall finish on 5 cps dispatch and bte whats the dps loss?

[inland acorn]

Out of like 26 pulls, my rtb bugged out i'm pretty sure on at least 20

[novel isle]

Everything is 6+ never 5

afaik

[near osprey]

ye ik whats the dps loss if i did 5

@novel isle

[cloud turret]

they did tryed it in SoD it was either too good or trash

[hollow bloom]

Was like 1% dps loss i think

[jagged plover]

1% for dispatch I think bte would be more

[river wing]

pure dodge tank is non-viable design yeah

any tank that can work is a combination of non-total mitigation (i.e. damage reduction, not damage negation) and HP

[hollow bloom]

SoD tanking was funnnnnnnn. Also purple T2 mog was for rogue tanks.

[novel isle]

Could do a DOT on dodge but then we are basically monk lol

[river wing]

yes, a viable concept would be just Brew Monk but with "luck running out/glancing blows" rather than "I don't feel shit because I'm drunk"

but, well, Brew Monk exists

[novel isle]

Pipe Dreamz

[river wing]

I honestly do not like Monk or DH mostly because they really crowd out the Rogue space

imagine making two new classes in a row both primarily melee AGI leather wearers

[inland acorn]

Well at least now there's devourer dh

[river wing]

meanwhile Hunter is the only class that uses a ranged weapon as a primary weapon
for 22 years now

nice design Blizz

[inland acorn]

Which also got buffed, because dart in the office landed on it

[haughty wigeon]

was very fun

[craggy barn]

like 4-5%

[haughty wigeon]

but it hard filtered alot of people

the skill ceiling of it was high

[hollow bloom]

Good skill ceiling, seeing that you could be practically be untouchable with some gear.

[haughty wigeon]

yes

but you gotta udnerstand tank players

99% of them suck dick

and hate it when a tank has a skill ceiling

[novel isle]

MM got buffed because it was dog boring so they added back some old abilities

[haughty wigeon]

especially lfry larry

[novel isle]

yay im in the 1% 😎

I started tanking this expansion and its really renewed my hate for other tanks

[hollow bloom]

Ya i mean, SoD rogue tank was not made for the classic scene. Definitely was too complex for the game mode.

[haughty wigeon]

twinsy

[craggy barn]

if u always only finished at >= 5 regardless of other factors, 4-5% dps loss
if u only dispatch at 5 (like fatebound) and ks at 5, then its like 1%

[haughty wigeon]

honestly thats how all tank mains start, the hatred for other tanks.

then when you really get good at tank, you just kinda hate the average tank player more

[hollow bloom]

And then the main tank getting pissy at you for doing better then them.

[haughty wigeon]

"stop taunting off me!!!!"

my brother in the light

[craggy barn]

thats why we made 2 of our best players our raid tanks 🙂

[novel isle]

I prefer tanking to DPS now honestly

[haughty wigeon]

you are doing 0 damage t herefor 0 threat

[haughty wigeon]

but ya, rogue tank is never gonna happen

[hollow bloom]

Managing EGO is so part of that off-tank main-tank dynamic. Ughhh

[haughty wigeon]

if it does, it wont be like sod

also ew. yet another leather tank

[craggy barn]

its gonna happen

the leaked survey proves it will 🙂

[haughty wigeon]

another leaked survey

[craggy barn]

both rog tank and healer

ez

[novel isle]

Managing players who think they know your route better than you

[craggy barn]

new 5 spec class

[haughty wigeon]

or we talking about the old leaked survey?

[craggy barn]

we become giga popular

the old leaked survey

from like a few months ago

[haughty wigeon]

ah

can yo urelink it. i feel like there was like 192871928 of these surveyss

[haughty wigeon]

its funny

[hollow bloom]

I’m down to clown on people as rogue tank healer or whatever.

[haughty wigeon]

how dps think they have a opinion. when you tank

[craggy barn]

bro one of my guildies tells me about his main mplus tank, who just rips routes from keystone guru with 0 context and just never remembers the pulls and always does ridiculous fucked up pulls

[hollow bloom]

Dps is a selfish role for sure lol

[craggy barn]

who refuses to learn and receive criticism

very funny hearing the horror stories

[hollow bloom]

Thats just a bad human being

[novel isle]

Iv never looked up a route, I plan my own

[craggy barn]

supposedly a "main tank" whos been tanking forever

who is actually just a raid aotc main tank

and just doesnt understand keys

[karmic gust]

yo, are you guys able to import profiles in the built in cdm ?

can't give it a name to create it, doesn't let me type anything

[novel isle]

God I hate tanking raids though, I tried pugging it like 2 times and never again

made me feel like shit

[haughty wigeon]

i dont follow routes, i just pull to pad. if i cant pad then i just die.

[craggy barn]

i dont like raid tanking in general, but i have to do it because we dont have many experienced tank players

[potent walrus]

wait i just read the pinned message update. so i play sleight of hand in high keys now instead of acro?

[craggy barn]

ye

[hollow bloom]

What a chad

[haughty wigeon]

i mean i dont like fotm tanks either

[craggy barn]

i aint no fotm im just a bdk tank guy

[haughty wigeon]

cause usually theyre dogshit and blame everyone else for key failure when they pull insane routes that they dont understand

[potent walrus]

does this look accurate for keys

[craggy barn]

yes

er

[karmic gust]

have the same ones

[novel isle]

I think I will like it because I like solving mechanics and learning but its so shit learning them with a bunch of assholes ready to leave if I dont do it perfectly

[craggy barn]

the vers talent

swap that to the other choice

[cloud turret]

remove shiv, useless

[craggy barn]

ye

shiv isnt that bad, some dungeons have enrages u can help with

[novel isle]

Its not exactly, theres some enrages its good for

[craggy barn]

not much else to do with that point anyways

[novel isle]

what you take instead?

[karmic gust]

i'd rather have shiv for some dungeons than move faster in stealth

[potent walrus]

wait flickering steel sounds

rlly good...

[craggy barn]

yes

[novel isle]

I take the one that makes it so you can only get slowed so much

[cloud turret]

moving fast is more fun

[novel isle]

Gz! now just copy the linked build 🤣

[potent walrus]

lol ty

[novel isle]

Sure! but we are not a stealth spec 🤣

[potent walrus]

am i rdy for 19s yet

[craggy barn]

maybe

[potent walrus]

nvm

[craggy barn]

rip

[potent walrus]

gotta wait till next week to craft wep..

smogue

[cloud turret]

since they removed raging from m+ shiv feels like the most useless ability ever

[jagged plover]

who's gonna tell him

[novel isle]

Blizzard Confirms Bonus Rolls Safe to Use Again

[haughty wigeon]

plebbit

no ty

[potent walrus]

does ar increase the chance your ace will refund/refresh

is that a thing

also when i get refunded 5cps after ace, should i be sinisterstriking and then using ace again

[haughty wigeon]

ar gives you super charger

and supercharger is like more combo points thus more chance for aces to proc

[timid portal]

yes but if u have 6 opp stacks then you press pistol shot

to build

also if ar have ~30s for it to come up

you can hold the bte

[potent walrus]

hmmm i see ty

havent played outlaw since dreaming season

a lot has changed

[timid portal]

and with the chances its like tired said supercharger makes your next finisher be +3 cp which means that the % for ace is higher since you use more cp

thats why also holding bte for ar is important

especially when you also possibly have 6 or more apex

then you guarantee 2x sc bte

[halcyon chasm]

Do KS strikes stack zero in?

[timid portal]

no

zero in stacks from auto attacks

[bright cedar]

uhhh, hi, I'm trying out this spec for change (has nothing to do with the 13% buff surely), and I have a question. i have neither plume nor prism, but I do have a hc gaze and a mythic guidon.
if I were to use guidon, does that change my stat prio in any shape or form? from what I understood, we need the haste breakpoint to make GCD the lowest possible during AR. but guidon already gets that

in my current gear, without recrafting everything to crit haste, I do not have the 25% breakpoint. I have 17% with no flask, 21% with flask.
so my actual question is, should I look into getting 25% at all times (aka use flask and potentially recraft, and swap from guidon to crooked hook / prism), or can I just rely on guidon? in which case I can use crit flask and have like 1.2k

[molten pond]

I have been playing sub the whole season, but I want to switch to outlaw. The problem is that I have 2 dagger (one crafted and on 289). I do need a sword for outlaw. There is no way to recraft my dagger into a sword or something else right ? I am fucked I need to waste 80 myth crest just to swap spec right ? ......

[potent walrus]

felt this..

[river wing]

sauce?

[bright cedar]

yeah swapping from sub/assa is tough because of the weapon. you can keep one dagger in offhand, but you need a one hand main hand. just get a hc sword from magister, or cosmos

[bright cedar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-bonus-rolls-safe-to-use-again-381359?utm_source=discord-webhook

[molten pond]

It's so bad. What the point of having diffrent spec in the same class if you can't even change between them without having to regear. I need 2 character, it's like if this is 2 different class --'

[river wing]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/bonus-roll-bug-fix-617011
aight

[timid portal]

if you raid mythic you have weapon from 3rd and 4th boss

[timid portal]

this is how outlaw players were entire time if they raid in sub btw

[river wing]

also, anyone know whether you can just roll 2+ times in the same run? or do you have to run Pit three times to roll three times, for instance?

[timid portal]

because outlaw for prog aint the best spec

[jagged plover]

except worse because if you want to play outlaw you're probably griefing because it's never the choice for prog

[timid portal]

it depends on raid and how boses are

like crown/beloren this tier are bad for outlaw

tww s3 dimmy

[potent walrus]

so throughout my rotation, when i get stuck on 5 combo points im supposed to sinister strike unless i have 6 pistol shot stacks? in which case id pistol shot to cap my cps instead of sinister?

or do i have that wrong

[jagged plover]

I mean it always "depends"

[river wing]

yes

[potent walrus]

if its 3 pistol shot stacks i still sinister?

[jagged plover]

but the nature of outlaw means we are almost never the choice

[timid portal]

yes because then you can get proc for opp from ss

[daring yoke]

guys are we not getting invited because of farts now

[jagged plover]

we have to be overturned usually to be actually better

[potent walrus]

ok ty

[timid portal]

if you have 6 opp its pretty much your prio builder

[potent walrus]

gotcha

[cloud turret]

lets be real, outlaw suck, we just play it cuz pirate!

[timid portal]

we play it for vibes

and because no other spec is fun

[daring yoke]

with trickster, do we still BF at 3+ targets or 4+?

[potent walrus]

and this might be a dumb question but the pinned message opener where u ar > roll > slice. thats just a 1 time thing right? like as ur opening, u dont actually use those combo points on slice ever through out the key do u

unless its obviously a new fresh pull

damn, question was so dumb the entire channel went mute

well now im embarrassed

[timid portal]

if you have snd up you dont open packs like that

[cloud turret]

yes

[timid portal]

its just about getting snd and not wasting supercharge for bte

[cyan ermine]

That’s correct; you get slice & dice going in the opener but leave after

[cloud turret]

it was dumb indeed

[unkempt dew]

What is our opener in M+?

[timid portal]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[hollow temple]

join the dark side, i have 3

[river wing]

god it would be so easy to fix, just add BtE to Cut to the Chase

[timid portal]

it was nice when bte was sending dispatch

[novel slate]

#outlaw message

[river wing]

...oh that's why it's like this

they don't remember we no longer dispatch on BtE

[unkempt dew]

Yeah but now we drop the smoke bomb while pressing AR right? It feels weird not throwing it inside the pack

[timid portal]

you can wait for tank to gather

then send it

[novel slate]

you still get 10s of the buff if you dont want to wait. sometimes depends on whether and where the tank wants to gather mobs

[unkempt dew]

Okay but isnt it better to BF > SnD > BR > AR > BTE etc etc?

While close to a pack

[hollow temple]

if you're BFing for the combo points you may as well send a dispatch and not SnD no?

but yea idk the pre ADR does feel kinda weird so far

[sage bronze]

anyone know how to macro a tier 1 light's potential?

[cloud turret]

/use potionname

[sage bronze]

doesn't work

[novel isle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-bonus-rolls-safe-to-use-again-381359?utm_source=discord-webhook

[tropic zephyr]

You need to use the slot thing in the bags

[timid portal]

they bugfix the irrelevant thing

[tropic zephyr]

like you need to put them in a specific space

[sage bronze]

gotta be an easier way hahaha

[tropic zephyr]

nope

maybe item id ?

but i don't think that macros can use item id

[junior folio]

weakauras

[tropic zephyr]

i've never used it like that anyway

The syntax is /use 1 5 where 1 is bag 1 and 5 is the 5th slot if i'm not mistaken

[north jolt]

you can use /use item:itemId and replace itemId with the correct potion id. You can even make multiple lines, starting with the fleeting potions for raiding. If no fleeting potions are available it would default to the non-fleeting version

[tropic zephyr]

nice

[still matrix]

Is tricks bugged why is it not lasting an hour?

[gilded karma]

#showtooltip Light's Potential
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309

[north jolt]

You can also use this for r2/r1 healing potions, jumper cables and so on.

[thick valve]

Anyone know how to make Audio Assist louder? I reinstalled WoW and now I can barely hear anything even though volume’s at 100%. Tried messing with dialogue, sound effects, etc. but nothing helps?

[zenith sparrow]

is raid talents same as ST talents?

or is there a bit of cleave to take?

[haughty wigeon]

like how the fart covers the floor and makes it hard for everyone to see mechanics>

[bright cedar]

no, blizzard completely fucked all TTS for everyone

gotta wait for them to fix it

[haughty wigeon]

i love

how they gave outlaw defile

[bright cedar]

TTS went to like 10% volume compared to last patch

and there's nothing to do about it

[jagged plover]

theres talents pinned

and should be on wowhead too

[grim crypt]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[zenith sparrow]

I mean theres just aoe which I assume is m+ and ST but Im wondering how it is for cleave fights since I havnt played ol all season

[jagged plover]

think it's deft at 2, the other talents at 3+
but tbh for this sort of thing i just look at top logs talents on warcraftlogs

[bright cedar]

why is every wowhead guide using cheat death for M+ builds? for every spec basically

[latent oak]

for majority of ppl cheat is better

[bright cedar]

i guess because it's oriented towards the majority of players?

[timid portal]

cheat is failsafe

[bright cedar]

i see

[timid portal]

if they cant press def at right timing

also majority of players dont go past +12

[bright cedar]

but elusiveness is still much better if I know what I'm doing and doing 18s/19s

right?

[latent oak]

ye

[timid portal]

you wont survive stuff on 19 without elusive

[bright cedar]

yeah, try soaking second boss in skyreach without it honestly, I'm leveling an evoker, and I don't understand how the fk they survive anything on high keys

they have ONE defensive

okay, two charges on it but still

i'm so comfortable with 2x feint + evasion + cloak + vanish + dwarf racial

[potent walrus]

oh im supposed to ar ks slice b4 key starts

[still matrix]

my re-roll is still fucked? am confused tbh

list still says the ring on it even though ive got it

[cinder relic]

Did u bonus roll it or take it from the vault?

[still matrix]

i bonus rolled it

yday

[cinder relic]

Bogged still then

[still matrix]

is it difficulty locked

[cinder relic]

They said they're looking into it so I'd just wait for a statement

[still matrix]

i did on a 10 yday and a 17 today

[potent walrus]

so lets say its the first pull of skyreach. id ar ks b4 key, slice b4 bubble drops and when the pack is gathered, what would i press from there? ar first global or blade flurry? or am i supposed to overlap blade flurry and ar regardless of the combo points

[still matrix]

ah ok i thought they did put out statement

[cinder relic]

Nah had a friend roll same items on a 10

[still matrix]

that it was fixed lol

kk

[dusty blaze]

New rolls are working

[arctic hollow]

3 voidcores bonus loot in that PoS dungeon

[still matrix]

They did say they fixed it

but if i took the item off the loot pool yday

[real mauve]

Are we meant to preparation right after bte and adrn rush? before the adrn falls off

[still matrix]

basically im fked?

god damn

[timid portal]

you do adr ks before keys start then at 3s before bubble pops you go bf into snd at 2s, then you press rtb after bubble goes off and on combat start ar into bte

[past stump]

is it worth using KS during AR if we don't get BTE reset, or is Dispatch better

[unkempt dew]

How do I get the void cores?

[unkempt dew]

I think KS has a higher prio then Dispatch

[weary goblet]

No dupes anymore at least

[narrow berry]

Hello pirates, do you guys think its worth to craft a sword to switch from sub/assa to outlaw? I've been unlucky to roll a weapon with bonus roll, should i wait next weak for a weapon in the chest or new bonus roll or should i send it ? (I dont raid at all)

[dusty magnet]

Ngl I feel like im struggling on outlaw in keys lmao. I feel like if I dont get 3buff to extend then my AR cd timing seems to be omega fucked on future pulls/bosses.

Any1 higher key pushers have some transition tips or outlaw tips?

[potent walrus]

wat embelishments are we supposed to use

for keys

[river wing]

the fix isn't retroactive (yet)

[river wing]

until they figure out some compensation, yeah

[river wing]

do you have to run it three times, or can you blow all three rolls in the same run?

[narrow berry]

3 times

[river wing]

dang

oh well

all I have to do is avoid the cloak

[narrow berry]

wait a minute, how d oyou have 3 bonus roll? i only have two

[karmic gust]

is there any other way apart from ayije cdm to show the blade flurry buff as a bar ? The default one is horrendous and the one from ayije has some issues customization wise

[river wing]

vault tokens can be traded for another roll

[narrow berry]

oooh ok

thanks

[river wing]

since I got trash in vault I'd rather take another coin for the gamba machine

[formal knot]

i took a socket instead of gambling

[glass heron]

kekw

[hollow temple]

!ban @civic zephyr scam spam

[simple bridge]

is it possible to make a macro that will cast Between the eyes if it's availalbe and if not it will cast dispatch?
Using this at the moment however if BTE is on cooldown the whole macro is on cooldown

[formal knot]

not possible

[dusty magnet]

i took socket last week so i took gamba this week