though would any of the changes increase the delta much 
?
#outlaw
jagged plover
glass mortar
using the kir 3 buff rule changes it
jagged plover
makes sense
glass mortar
clouds buff is putting its power into ur AR presses as well so the rng of how many ARs u cast on a fight will cause more extreme swings as its value goes up
the variance is noticabley ahead for trickster idk if its wildly ahead tho
i mean outlaw already a decently high variance spec
upper sage
The cloud buff is a buff on your character after you stand in the cloud. The mobs don't need to be in the cloud
jolly geyser
and my mop challenge mode set does cloud too
ionic citrus
buoyant cosmos
The cloud buff is a buff on your character after you stand in the cloud. The mob...
Even trying to be ateam player and putting it on the outside of the pack doesn't work becasue it's huge lol
upper sage
True 🙁
upper sage
And it isn't ideal. I'm not moving everytime I have to adr lol
near rock
though would any of the changes increase the delta much <:Hmm:135961962650534307...
Current trickster is 6.0 variation, 23% average dps fluctuation
I ran the numbers a few days ago
valid tartan
Do I bonus roll mythic beloren chat
upper sage
I'm kinda disheartened on my limited practice of new build. I did a +12 and got beat pretty bad to a devour dh. Maybe that's the fact dh are crazy
lucid sparrow
surprised that list of bugs on wowhead
doesnt include rogue
-30 energy on adr rush and sb
fossil lintel
Even trying to be ateam player and putting it on the outside of the pack doesn't...
I just stack on the tank and rip out the smelliest I can
fickle relic
why couldn't they just buffed fatebound, trickster is so bad this exp
river wing
after running some reclears
I am no longer elated by the cloud. the only one it harms is me.
jagged plover
Current trickster is 6.0 variation, 23% average dps fluctuation
that's hype 
ty man
fossil lintel
after running some reclears
I am no longer elated by the cloud. the only one it ...
Others see it too, no?
peak holly
idk if its my graphs but last boss on MT i can't see the rebound ball on the smoke
fossil lintel
I had two groups confirm jt
stoic wagon
are parses compared to prior buff outlaws?
does someone know?
river wing
you see
it does not make it harder to dodge aoes
but it does make it harder to do mechanics while keeping up the buff.
buoyant cosmos
I just stack on the tank and rip out the smelliest I can
That's what I ended up doing
river wing
does someone know?
no, it's a fresh slate with 12.0.5
fossil lintel
i forgot to switch off sub spec for bonus roll
Great off hand at least
novel isle
i forgot to switch off sub spec for bonus roll
Its BIS so yea 🤣
but yea best change it next time haha
Also the bonus rolls are not dupe protected atm be careful
doubt they will refund you if you dupe
buoyant cosmos
"Just wait a week nerd"
stoic wagon
no, it's a fresh slate with 12.0.5
source?
fossil lintel
doubt they will refund you if you dupe
0% chance they refund dupes
stoic wagon
talking about keys
upper sage
You asked discord the question then ask for a source when you get an answer lol
river wing
used to be thousands yesterday
stoic wagon
there's like
a hundred parses up at this moment
keys or raid
frail veldt
Yeah the 0.5 patch is a new batch of data
novel isle
used to be thousands yesterday
Yea Zac been going hard
frail veldt
So it's a very small sample size
fossil lintel
It's a new partition in wcl terminology
river wing
but for this moment
I am the best MF outlaw on H crown of my item level
(yes, it's a very specific selection, there's like 25 parses lmao)
upper hawk
i'm the best outlaw whose name rhymes with krumpps playing in my guild. every parse is #1
dusty magnet
So if I have 0 verse is better if I get a piece thats crit haste or like haste/crit with verse?
fossil lintel
There's a m+ stat aggregator putting outlaw at S+ tier because the 1 and only log they had beat all other classes average, while being 23k behind the top log of other classes
upper hawk
the dungeon parses on wc logs aren't limited to a specific patch like the raid parses are
timid portal
@gaunt phoenix any special changes for paladins in talents?
dancing for sleight?
@near rock
short plover
maybe it was already answered, but i was just in the raid and when ace triggered i went to 5 points, so i always want to use ss (not my fth stacks, right?) before hitting bte again?
stoic wagon
the dungeon parses on wc logs aren't limited to a specific patch like the raid p...
so its crazy easy to parse right now then
upper hawk
they aren't really ranked either so
worldly shale
SPEED I NEEEEEED THIIIIS
ancient cobalt
i have that lol
worldly shale
ancient cobalt
i have a guidon myth and gaze myth i need a 2nd good otl trink
dense coral
On 5 training dummies at 272ilvl i pull an average of 160k dps as outlaw, but as Assa i do 250k. Is that a skill issue or normal?
ancient cobalt
skill
stuck magnet
So is the max uptime on the smokescreen 20seconds? 10 seconds while it is active and then 10 seconds after it expires?
glass mortar
yes
jovial glade
Idk what im doing wrong, but I deal like 60k less dps compared to raidbots, im following the prio and slamming everything, should I try to line up blade rush with BtE or idk
icy niche
damn, trying outlaw on dummies now for 30 minutes and outlaw compared to both sub and assa is stressful lol
glass mortar
i mean is ur raidbots sim a dummy sim
or are u simming something like 5 targets patchwerk with all raid buffs
icy niche
i mean is ur raidbots sim a dummy sim
im simming patchwerk 5targets 5minutes no buffs at all to sim my "dummy sim", is this correct?
dusty magnet
can outlaw still run dagger in offhand and be optimal?
jovial glade
not 0, but well, not high
glass mortar
yea def sounds like you need a log review or vod review so we can be more help
glass mortar
can outlaw still run dagger in offhand and be optimal?
yes it is optimal to have dagger oh
basically mandatory this expansion in fact
glass mortar
im simming patchwerk 5targets 5minutes no buffs at all to sim my "dummy sim", is...
wasnt aimed at u
jovial glade
i can provide logs from some keys I did before
ashen oracle
even post buff we are still bad on paladins mm no ?
jovial glade
is wow analyzer good for outlaw?
glass mortar
no
icy niche
wasnt aimed at u
yeah just mentioning that I was doing patchwerk, not sure if you meant like you could chose "dummy" as a target option, or
glass mortar
it is not maintained so whatever it spits out wont be accurate at all to modern outlaw
fickle relic
do we bte on 6 after proc?
pure folio
huh isnt ks at 5 a gain
glass mortar
if its a new rule in the last 24 hours then yes
otherwise im not aware of it i just got home
oh look a pin
pure folio
:P
pure folio
do we bte on 6 after proc?
yes
glass mortar
oh its worth 0.5% dps
pure folio
thats huge
glass mortar
so yea u can kspree on 5 if u wanna but doesnt really matter
fickle relic
i liked it better on fatebound ngl
glass mortar
fatebound has much more pleasant builder rules yea
and spender rules as well
all the rules tbh
ionic citrus
yeah but energy starve is annoying sometimes.
fickle relic
fatebound technically has it too
ionic citrus
and 1 rolls also
fickle relic
i'm talking about ace procs
ionic citrus
i figured that when u said: "the new ace"
short plover
maybe it was already answered, but when ace triggers we go to 5 cp, so we always want to use ss (not fth stacks, right?) before hitting bte again?
glass mortar
if ur not capped on opp
otherwise ud use opp
u just follow ur standard builder rules
pure folio
^ Bf>6opp>ss
short plover
feels weird...
glass mortar
yup
trickster likes to poop combo points into the wind
a ton of our builders and procs end us on 5 now
🙂
upper hawk
you get a combo point and you get a combo point
short plover
it was so nice playing fb again 😄
pure folio
Yea fb felt a lot more efficient
short plover
but its only an alt anyways, so ig its fine
tender wedge
noice
upper hawk
one point in heavy hitter sims 4dps higher for me than a point in summarily dispatched
glass mortar
they are identical then
that dps difference is within margin of error
one gives u more energy tho
upper hawk
but i assume if i dont' get absolutely 20 seconds out of every cloud heavy hitter loses value?
glass mortar
or does dispatched no longer have that
heavy hitter loses value faster yes but it wont be all that much
bright plaza
is outlaw better in m+ now
glass mortar
they both lose value if ur doing that obviously
glass mortar
no its not wrong thats why it loses value faster but the difference is going to be very small
short plover
and also jsut to confirm. when we are at stage 2 of rtb, we dont reroll, but we also dont kir, right?
glass mortar
tricksters energy is worse then fatebounds
upper hawk
no, energy sucks. when i mess up now, it really feels like it downward spirals for the rest of the dungeon
glass mortar
u can kir at stage 2 or you can only kir at 3+ its your choice
sim wise they are close with 3+ simming higher by a bit but having much worse variance
pure folio
and also jsut to confirm. when we are at stage 2 of rtb, we dont reroll, but we ...
It depends, if you don’t have a loaded dice anytime soon then you can kir
short plover
okay, makes sence, thanks
vagrant saddle
I refuse to kir on 2, out of principle
pure folio
Does energy feel awful now to anyone else? is it really just the AR bug?
Trickster is more energy demanding, is what it is
glass mortar
no KS isnt really a great energy recovery tool anymore its ok
and it doesnt outweight u lose the CP gen of fatebounds SS and the energy gen of the midnight new fatebound talent
trickster has nothing to make up for it you just have less resources
jagged plover
i want fotm rerollers so they fix tricksters bs
celest hearth
is outlaw brazy now?
cinder relic
ya
shadow trellis
OUTLAW!!!!!
celest hearth
"Outlaw
Ace Up Your Sleeve has been updated – Between the Eyes has a 3%/6% chance (was 5%) per combo point spent to grant 4 combo points (was 2/4) and reset its own cooldown."?
jagged plover
that isnt why but it helps
elder sonnet
pins bro
pure folio
Trickster and ace changes @celest hearth
next shuttle
Is Deadly Pursuit not worth it anymore?
fathom bramble
I think I figured out what KS is good for
prisma bramble
soo trickster slaps now??!?
fathom bramble
it lets you click something on runescape without losing dps
glass mortar
!! huge WC gains
lyric bay
Trickster change, aka killing your party group cause now they can't see shit
glass mortar
Is Deadly Pursuit not worth it anymore?
after some playtesting yes its very bad, worth so little people decide to opt for MS or stamina over it
lyric bay
It's one way to top dps meter if nobody else is alive
vestal grail
@gaunt phoenix if i want to play fatebound is still the same build as previous patch?
prisma bramble
dayum i got everything for my assa now 279, 40% crit 40% mastery
glass mortar
fatebound will also take 2 ace but im not sure what u give up for it
dispatcher maybe?
there might be an updated fatebound build in the FaQ also i havent checked
short plover
what can you do against not seeing aoe effects when dropping cc?
timid portal
thats what I did
i wanted to ask for talents on paladins
near rock
ye sleight for dancing
timid portal
since not many people killed them on myth
near rock
but its honestly more a toss up than before
glass mortar
what can you do against not seeing aoe effects when dropping cc?
turn ur spell effects settings down
🙂
enjoy ur new gameplay
stoic wagon
do you guys have an addon to track opportunity stacks?
craggy barn
u can do that in base ui
stoic wagon
yh but the number is so small
craggy barn
i use ayjie's to customize that part
stoic wagon
i want to differentiate 3 and 6 easily
stoic wagon
i use ayjie's to customize that part
link please?
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent
craggy barn
arcui / bettercdm are also good options
but afaik u cant do color changes or whatever based on stack count
main shadow
Trickster the way to go for keys now or naw?
glass mortar
yes
haughty moat
haha i called it we wont be playing without sleight with trickster ^^
valid hound
i parsed better with previous build, probably got to get used with this one
glass mortar
definitly a learning curve for the cloud
valid hound
yea
glass mortar
that being said dont forget that tricksters variance is pretty high
valid hound
killing spree like deals so low damange man
valid hound
its like idk, id rather not cast it at all, but u get those unseen blades with it
inland acorn
Do we know, what triggers the invisible rtb bug ?
tulip crater
Is outlaw performing better than sub now for M+ and raids?
inland acorn
OTHERS CANM SEE THE CLOUD?
My guildies in raid, said they didn't saw it
eternal hound
I've head you can
inland acorn
It might be showing in m+ though
glass mortar
Do we know, what triggers the invisible rtb bug ?
nope
glass mortar
theres an ingame setting to see other players ground based aoe effects
allied players i should say
inland acorn
Trying to remember the buff
glass mortar
they may have that on
inland acorn
and do 20 different movement mechanics on alleria
glass mortar
i believe its off by default now
inland acorn
glass mortar
yea i mean
if it makes u feel better, all the awareness of the bug did was make u look for it now
the bug has been ingame the entire expac
people just werent noticing their RtB going away and rerolling thinking it was natty
inland acorn
Yeah
glass mortar
its a real subtle one
inland acorn
But now its even worse
Because you know you're not fucking up
It's the game trying to fuck you up
If only we had our WAs...
somber fractal
from 16 to 12 windrunner ayaya whats up with this key
inland acorn
And not this half baked shit...
reef forge
is anyone else having serious issues with your roll buffs just disappearing after patch?
craggy barn
its a known bug thats been happening before the patch
reef forge
its happening consistently for me now
craggy barn
reef forge
like every pull
uneven needle
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use
Adrenaline Rush to activate 
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it. - Use
SND during the bubble once the key starts.
reef forge
im already using zacs auras and its only started happening after patch
glass mortar
no it got worse after the patch
its been happening all expac unfortunatly
u just never noticed it before
zac didnt until week 3
i noticed it week 2
craggy barn
i never noticed it but i just have the weak aura incase it happens
glass mortar
its the kinda bug u almost need to see happen in real time to catch
because its so subtle
its not right after u reroll
or right after u kir
or anything like that
its so random
reef forge
on my pulls there it was legit like flickering between visible and not
shit was so annoying
glass mortar
yea its gotten worse
now i thought they were gunna spend the first season focusing on bugfixing the game after a alpha beta where they were too rushed
glad to see we have one of the most broken buggy patches released in recent times for 12.0.5
glass mortar
crazy how far the QA has fallen ngl
inland acorn
Ye i'm pretty sure my rolls disappeared out like 20 pulls out of like 25
river wing
on my pulls there it was legit like flickering between visible and not
yeah same
river wing
now i thought they were gunna spend the first season focusing on bugfixing the g...
HAHAHAHAHAHA
mystic berry
crazy how far the QA has fallen ngl
what happens when they fire the entire staff
and hire gemini
inland acorn
crazy how far the QA has fallen ngl
There is no qa
river wing
crazy how far the QA has fallen ngl
broski I'm pretty sure there's maybe five people doing QA
glass mortar
theres two lovely upvoted threads on reddit roasting them for this
river wing
and they are run ragged for no money worth the job
glass mortar
and they deserve it
inland acorn
I don't believe there is any QA
glass mortar
pathetic quality of patch QA for a company like blizzard but yea
inland acorn
nobody can convince me
honest gulch
hi, is there something simmilar to weakaura showing what buffs i get after using roll the b ones on the middle of screen ?
glass mortar
theyve learned we will pay them to QA for them so
reef forge
AI devs are surely at blizzard
craggy barn
ive never seen it so im gonna say it doesnt happen for undead rogues 👍
inland acorn
Theres literally 0 shot they have any QA
glass mortar
hi, is there something simmilar to weakaura showing what buffs i get after using...
u can use the addons that skin over CDM and u can move ur CDM to center of the screen
if u mean like the old fancy WA that told u if u had good buffs or not, then no
those arent possible anymore
ashen birch
do we munch Combos points if we get a BTE reset and ADR comes off CD to get teh supercharged CPs? Like BTE > (ADR comes off CD & full 7 CP BTE rest) ADR > BTE?
eternal hound
I
river wing
Theres literally 0 shot they have any QA
naw they can just have severely understaffed QA, where people are doing like three positions at once (i.e. one guy has to test UI, quests, and class abilities at the same time)
eternal hound
am gonna fucking jump
reef forge
does the rtb bug fix WA show what stage you're at?
eternal hound
I love it when I just have someone troll on last boss
inland acorn
No
eternal hound
on a potentionally timable key
inland acorn
does the rtb bug fix WA show what stage you're at?
It just shows icon, so you know you have RTB
eternal hound
And they just dirt nap the whole fight, die twice to beams for no reason
inland acorn
You need to remember what buff you have, or look at buffs (good luck finding it in +30 buffs)
glass mortar
do we munch Combos points if we get a BTE reset and ADR comes off CD to get teh ...
nah id just dispatch then AR > BtE
next shuttle
Do we think blizzard will change the visual for the smoke bomb?
tulip basin
What’s dungeon is good to use bonus roll now?
reef forge
ok so i just need to remember, better than just guessing if its on or not
jagged plover
wait i swear mine shows which buff
honest gulch
u can use the addons that skin over CDM and u can move ur CDM to center of the s...
and what are u using ?
jagged plover
unless im stupid
glass mortar
i just use basic CDM
inland acorn
What’s dungeon is good to use bonus roll now?
probably pit
next shuttle
PoS is all BiS for us
river wing
Do we think blizzard will change the visual for the smoke bomb?
around 13.0 sure
jagged plover
oh nvm
wide heath
guys I am trying to switch to outlaw, but I can't get how to use KS, with max cp or less ?
craggy barn
5cp
jagged plover
.5% gain to use at 5cp, otherwise 6+ is fine
wide heath
thanks
jagged plover
bigly minor minmax
jagged plover
i love how stuff spreads though
like i was watching a pokemon vgc player
and he missplayed
he said
"im going eighth"
which is tft brainrot speak
cross contamination everywhere
coarse kraken
Is the 30 energy cost for cloud cover fixed?
jagged plover
nope
craggy barn
nah just push with the bugs and then slingshot when theyre fixed
buoyant cosmos
Is the 30 energy cost for cloud cover fixed?
next month ez
craggy barn
who knows when things will be fixed
supposedly they hotfixed udk bug fixes
but they only apply to some udks
rn LOL
buoyant cosmos
absolutely cooked dev pipeline
I didn't know about it until today but sometimes unholy dots just skip ticks as well
craggy barn
think thats been around all season
jagged plover
but they only apply to some udks
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix u still have that cat compliation video of barking and mosquito noises?
buoyant cosmos
think thats been around all season
Seems like it, but now it's worse? Who knows
craggy barn
since we can cast ks at 5cp, that doesnt mean we never cast it at 6+ right? just if we are at 5 and ks is up, we can just send there instead ya?
what about canceling ks? is it only ever an energy consideration? or also if ks builds us back to full cp
like before
my bigly minor minmax questions
buoyant cosmos
what about canceling ks? is it only ever an energy consideration? or also if ks ...
I think the faq said you can cancel once your resources are back
desert latch
is the voidforge usable already?
buoyant cosmos
is the voidforge usable already?
Don't believe so, just bonus rolls
turbo boost is another weekly quest chain to unlock afaik
keep you logging in
desert latch
ah okay okay thanks was wondering why i cant use it
craggy barn
I think the faq said you can cancel once your resources are back
the faq only mentions energy, so i just wanted to be sure
both faq and pin just mention energy for cancelling
buoyant cosmos
Got it, maybe I saw that in chat as well
wide heath
how much haste do we need btw ?
craggy barn
around 700
wide heath
phew got that covered ;D
craggy barn
!haste
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.
- You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
- Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
- You have to use
Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.
jagged plover
so curious what i walked in on
wide heath
rocking 750 atm
craggy barn
ye thats fine
im at like 700 someshit and still using haste flask to give some help with energy, but sims want me to go crit anyways
kinda whatever after 700
wide heath
so I can focus on crit with no worries
lavish wagon
where energy
craggy barn
its gone
lavish wagon
feels awful to play sadly 🙁
craggy barn
we have a bug that makes it worse rn
sonic pawn
Trickster ? Yep and can’t see shit with the dumb fart cloud.
lavish wagon
that explains a little the issue
craggy barn
distract costing energy in this day and age is so funny
patent mirage
solid citrus
Is it worth it to play trickster through the bugs or just stick to fate?
glass mortar
trickster is 13% ahead of fatebound
it is absolutely worth to play over it in basically all content regardless of the bug
solid citrus
Damn that’s crazy
lavish wagon
ye it hits harder, just the feeling isnt so great
sonic pawn
Damage wise yep it’s worth 100% but from a gameplay perspective it’s worse.
glass mortar
oh yea i mean its always had more boring rules, more variance, and shittier resources
whole expac
worldly shale
ye it hits harder, just the feeling isnt so great
idk i like it more
glass mortar
it just wasnt strong enough to play over fatebound before so we were safe
worldly shale
than fb
solid citrus
Has anyone found a way to disable the smoke animation in the game files by chance? Gotta be a way surely
jagged plover
i mean u dont want it completely gone
lavish wagon
idk i like it more
energy wise it's really meh, i like to hit buttons without stopping because i always can
but here i cant
or i do smth wrong
can be that since i had blue numbers tonight
buoyant cosmos
Has anyone found a way to disable the smoke animation in the game files by chanc...
You can turn down particle density, that's it
solid citrus
So is the main gameplay change just smoke dancing and pooling some energy before CDs now?
Compared to fate?
buoyant cosmos
Don't forget we can use KS again 🙂
worldly shale
energy wise it's really meh, i like to hit buttons without stopping because i al...
eeeh yea ig i do have some downtime, but it isnt THAT much
glass mortar
also ur builder rules changed
and by that i mean got easier
and the finisher rule change as well
glass heron
guys a quick question is there any addon that can make a sound when i get the between the eyes reset?
glass mortar
dont believe pooling energy before cds is a thing tho
glass heron
I miss it so much
cedar wyvern
just make sure you have 30 eng before popping AR
lavish wagon
eeeh yea ig i do have some downtime, but it isnt THAT much
nah its not that much, but just enough to make me not able to click on something for .5s 😢
jagged plover
guys a quick question is there any addon that can make a sound when i get the be...
cdm has sound alerts built in, it feels kinda delayed though
glass mortar
oh that pooling, yea making sure u have 30 energy to not lose smoke is important
jagged plover
buoyant cosmos
cdm has sound alerts built in, it feels kinda delayed though
even with it waiting for the projectile to hit the target?
I've just been using whatever the default one is
glass mortar
gravedigger procs are delayed
glass heron
is this the blizz one?
glass mortar
ace are not
jagged plover
is this the blizz one?
ye
glass mortar
thats probably why it feels laggy "sometimes"
jagged plover
i also havent found if there's a way to raise the volume of that channel specifically
long bramble
should i craft the dagger in this spot or nah?
craggy barn
grave digger procs are specifically when your bte projectile hits the target, and is more obvious on bigger bosses
glass heron
where's the option? if i may ask
jagged plover
just right click the spell in cdm
glass heron
just saw it thx might still miss wa
eternal hound
should i craft the dagger in this spot or nah?
Hell na, craft a neck
with myth that's like a 100 ilvls almost
unborn moon
So I’m rerolling outlaw…
craggy barn
ok
unborn moon
Might rename my rogue ’Outlawl’
craggy barn
fartlaw
near rock
mild bronze
About to level a new char. How dead are we? 👍 👎
cinder relic
Not very
tiny onyx
I was simming myself and both of my crafted pieces are haste/verse - but its recommending to swap to HASTE/CRIT as well as run a crit flask during the sim
eternal hound
law is p okay rn
mild bronze
nice
true dust
can someone explain why we use SND in our opener?i assume i will not use it in m+ except on the first pull?
unborn moon
What would you say outlaw’s biggest strength currently? Sustained cleave? ST seems a bit meh
craggy barn
its so we can use the supercharged combo points on BTE
glass mortar
uh
u do pretty solid damage st in dungeons and at 8 targets
good damage actually not just solid
true dust
its so we can use the supercharged combo points on BTE
ah makes sense
glass mortar
thats ur "strength"
craggy barn
u snd in opener bc it doesnt consume super charge, so u will always have 2 super charge for double BTE if u get a proc
craggy barn
what about canceling ks? is it only ever an energy consideration? or also if ks ...
guy do u know the answer to this or would solo
frank hamlet
i did my first 100 parse with alleria hc
and i want so say thank you for the guides
cinder relic
What would you say outlaw’s biggest strength currently? Sustained cleave? ST see...
St, good aoe
Always has damage
solid citrus
Also can swap targets without dropping any DPS.
Makes them good at controlling a groups HP
normal quail
Also can swap targets without dropping any DPS.
used to be able to
if target doesn't have unseen blade/phased you lose out
tiny onyx
@cinder relic I'm following your item recommendation for crafted stats (haste/vers) but if im doing simms and it's suggesting to swap both pieces to crit/haste should I do it or is there a flaw with raidbots
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> I'm following your item recommendation for crafted stats (h...
Nope just bis lists are bis right
If u don't have the full setup, it's not going to puzzle piece together
solid citrus
if target doesn't have unseen blade/phased you lose out
I hate trickster wtf
normal quail
it bangs atm tho
solid citrus
I’m going to play it but I didn’t know it applied debuffs and stuff. Loved being able to target swap without a care
normal quail
it's not that big a deal but there is slight dps loss, just keep a prio target and you'll be sweet
elfin tusk
is there an actual reason people take shiv over shadowrunner/unbreakable
cinder relic
Its a soothe
unborn moon
I see KiR at 2 and 3 buffs… is it conditional?
cinder relic
always at 3
quick ridge
always at 3
Is it the case now for fatebound as well, Guy?
glass mortar
unless more info has come out the FaQ and the pins are conflicting here
what i know is 3+ buff rule is for trickster (not fatebound) and its the highest simming method
afaik 2+ buff roll is within 1% and has lower variance (solo talks about this in the pins)
tiny onyx
So essentially now we always want to use our finishers at 6+ cp and use KS at 5CP ideally instead of 6+.
As well as do our previous opener and not worry about using KS and just prep when bladerush, btw, adr on CD and only worry about using KS once BtE is on CD
glass mortar
yea
tiny onyx
Also in AoE situations, lets say you know adds are going to spawn in raid, do you guys bladeflurry ahead of time a bit so that when the adds come in you're already dealing dmg or do you wait for 2 targets at minimum before activating BF
frozen quest
anyone got the smoke cloud weakaura?
glass mortar
oh did zac make us one already
serene whale
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
glass mortar
wer m33kaura
frozen quest
already on his stream visible
glass mortar
moderatly more then fatebound was
glass breach
I don't think it's any more boring than fatebound. Clunky for sure
fierce aurora
i blame killing spree
glass mortar
🙂
glass mortar
who woulda thunk
vivid vessel
and what they are doing
glass mortar
trickster sucks ass to play
vivid vessel
to this spec
fierce aurora
you will go oom as a rogue and you will like it
glass mortar
i played it for 10 minutes last night then went back to fatebound for my daily shit
glass heron
zac quick question that seems that some folks already answered me is there any way to put back the sound for the BTE reset? the wa one
vivid vessel
ye witha weak aura
sonic pawn
Now for them to buff fatebound by 10% !!!
elfin tusk
U CAN FINISH AT 5 for a thing now
whats the condition?
glass mortar
kspree
glass heron
pff i got so much dopamine with the wa
glass mortar
if u have 5 and its time to kspree u can kspree
thats its
trickster is very boring minmax wise
builders barely matter
always overcap infinite cp
nothing matters and ur energy sucks
enjoy
junior sierra
the combo point overcap stuff feels so wrong
elfin tusk
trickster is very boring minmax wise
the top parser on crown casts dispatch at 5 fairly often on the new build, wonder if theres a reason or just technically suboptimal?
glass mortar
just hasnt learned the new rule
zinc briar
is garbage
+1
winter falcon
We viable enough for me to switch off sub now? Shits boring
polar chasm
always overcap infinite cp
lets goooo im so up, always overcapping accidentily
glass breach
Blizzard will fix overcapping by nerfing CP generation
zinc briar
if u dont have procs, u are fulll stucked
what a garbage gameplay
dafuq is thjis hst
glass mortar
the only positive i really had for outlaw design this expac was fatebound was at least tuned higher then tricks
rip
polar chasm
how can you not enjoy farting everywhere
vivid vessel
this is by
far
and i say
by far
like
miles
fucking
kilometers
the worse iteration of outlaw
i haver ever played
vivid vessel
this shit feels worse
than assa
bro
take back
the 13%
i do not
want it
i do not
glass mortar
xdddd
eternal hound
cloud
vivid vessel
want it
eternal hound
cover
vivid vessel
i repeat
eternal hound
kill it
eternal hound
delete trickster
quiet ore
One
vivid vessel
get me out of this shit
quiet ore
Word
vivid vessel
i want fatebound back
outer meteor
i havent played it yet, how cancer is cloud on saladbar
short dove
i just opened the channel to see what people think
quiet ore
At
vivid vessel
this shit is so fucking garbage
outer meteor
with all the movement
short dove
holy moly
quiet ore
A
eternal hound
i just opened the channel to see what people think
zac summed up my thoughts
eternal hound
I'd rather be the worst in the spec
quiet ore
Time
frigid pelican
So is it true that our stat weights were affected by these changes?
eternal hound
zac how do ur hands not hurt
glass mortar
i mean i was waiting for the zac crashout
i was gunna say no way he plays this dog and doesnt crashout even with the number buff
latent oak
one word at a time is same amount of key presses as pressing space between words
glass mortar
trickster has been dog since alpha
never improved
builders dont matter
piss infinite CP to the wind building at 5
kspree is just awful
everything about it except numbers is just a downstep from fatebound
eternal hound
one word at a time is same amount of key presses as pressing space between words
he's pressing fast
quiet ore
this shit is so fucking garbage
It's okay, I just can't shake the feeling I'm constantly wasting something
eternal hound
kspree is just awful
I like the YUGE cdr from coup
glass mortar
and then to make it better they gave it fartcloud
eternal hound
But that's literally it
vivid vessel
?
frail veldt
HUGE
vivid vessel
im under 50 energy for 5min straight
eternal hound
Ik but it feels good
glass mortar
its less then fatebound
glass mortar
it just all happens at once
vivid vessel
and revert this change
zinc briar
im playing fatebound
jagged plover
just take your number buff and be happy man gameplay doesn't even matter no one plays this game for fun!!
eternal hound
just take your number buff and be happy man gameplay doesn't even matter no one ...
Go back to league
frail veldt
Meter junkies will tolerate the worst gameplay to be number 1
outer meteor
im still dispatching at 5 sometimes out of habbit
eternal hound
Meter junkies will tolerate the worst gameplay to be number 1
If it was like 8% i'd just play fatebound
worldly compass
ye it can't be good
eternal hound
But it's not
outer meteor
hard to shrug off
frail veldt
The energy issue is genuinely toxic as trickster
halcyon quiver
5 CP, 6 stacks of opportunity, am I sinister striking to get to 6+ or blowing 3 opp stacks?
halcyon quiver
word
worldly compass
🙂
vivid vessel
giving me max cp
frail veldt
Cuz trickster
quiet ore
Cancel KS less early? Idk
frail veldt
Run more haste
glass breach
Energy management is fun. That's why they keep making energy suck
vivid vessel
thats less energy efficient technically
frail veldt
30%
jagged plover
if you think about all the stuff that has changed since like, df
theres so few actual improvements compared to downgrades
vivid vessel
no not really
frail veldt
That's what faq says
halcyon quiver
it's more efficient to cancel it if you will cap energy not on CP
your energy is regening while you're channeling the ability - it's free damage for energy
glass quartz
do we send bte at 5 cp if overcharged?
frail veldt
And KS is around similar dpet to dispatch/ps
quiet ore
energy feels bad
looks inside
not utilizing the build's low energy state enough
Alright.
frail veldt
So it's like pooling while doing mid damage lol
vivid vessel
> energy feels bad
*looks inside*
> not utilizing the build's low energy state e...
?
worldly compass
i tried both and letting it channel until energy fills felt better
frail veldt
do we send bte at 5 cp if overcharged?
No, supercharger doesn't change finish condition
near rock
@vivid vessel what do u hate about this iteration
halcyon quiver
do we send bte at 5 cp if overcharged?
no get to 7
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> what do u hate about this iteration
building at 5 mostly
and just having 0 energy
vivid vessel
energy in keys is abmyssal bro
quiet ore
building at 5 mostly
Yeah. This always feels wasteful
worldly compass
building at 5 is the worst part for me
worldly compass
otherwise im enjoying it mostly
tender wedge
i also feel like i've got 3 more binds to fit in to an already full spec which is weird given the other design direction
halcyon quiver
Outlaw cares about uptime - it's a spec that is punished by some who isn't always casting. So in a dungeon if you pull slow, or blow your AR at the end of a pack, or die or any of the many things in a dungeon that cause you to have downtime it cooks your CDR
past stump
I mean just fucking nuke KS
halcyon quiver
If you have adrenaline rush active and you're not attacking a mob ur cooked
tender wedge
since now we play blade rush / KiR / KS / prep / snd for openers
indigo token
ai generated expansion lol
tender wedge
like every optional extra active button from TWW plus new ones as well
frigid pelican
I feel your pain spark. I get lost in it with so much going on and the fog makes it hard to see some of the mechanics
sand berry
unbind feint and energy is almost ok
indigo token
I feel your pain spark. I get lost in it with so much going on and the fog makes...
and its visible for everyone else right
unkempt anvil
wait, so if you use bonus roll on hc raid you get myth?
indigo token
is this real
yes
tender wedge
i don't necessarily dislike it (yet) but every other spec got easier and outlaw is somehow significantly MORE going on
glass mortar
then it was last expac anyway
worldly compass
wait, so if you use bonus roll on hc raid you get myth?
no
stuck totem
it all seems a like a lot of effort to still not be as effective as assassination...and assassination is my least favorite rogue spec.
frigid pelican
Last night the people in my groups could see it. I didn’t get any comments on it today
worldly compass
they still can
livid sand
it all seems a like a lot of effort to still not be as effective as assassinatio...
wdym not as effective?
frigid pelican
They must hate us even more now
glass mortar
there is a user setting for allied ground based aoes
they may have it on or off and not even realize
idk what the default is for it anymore
i assume on
frigid pelican
There is?
glass mortar
ye
stuck totem
it still seems to have lower output
tender wedge
also my wangbar doesn't work anymore and that's making everything worse 😢
frigid pelican
I’m going to need to figure out where that setting is
tender wedge
really noticing the CP lag on senseis, might need to find something else
livid sand
it still seems to have lower output
Outlaw sims like way higher for me compared to sin/sub
and im far of having gear for outlaw, my assa gear is way better.. gotta test some keys as outlaw on the weekend
stuck totem
that is a sim...what does it do in an M+
livid sand
played sub, so ver mastery heavy gear
@stuck totem I mean if it sims, its reachable, right?
frigid pelican
If I didn’t want to play with prep , is there an option that wouldn’t be that much of a loss?
halcyon quiver
If I didn’t want to play with prep , is there an option that wouldn’t be that mu...
Playing assassination or sub
frigid pelican
glass mortar
no idea how close the alternative is for trickster but prep is stronger for tricks then it was for fatebound
stuck totem
i see the sims as theoretical
glass mortar
and it was already in all recommended builds for fatebound
sims are an average
so they are definitly reachable but aoe sims arent the best for comparing between specs
frigid pelican
Well that makes me sad but I guess I just need to try more
slim hare
how am i running out of energy
DID I NOT SAY IT WAS COMING?
the energy yap
cause its terrible
thick coyote
wonder how big a loss dispatch at 5 perma is
Unsure if you got an answer, I asked last night and it was 0.5%
round shell
Hey guys I'm new to the spec, got any educational content recomandations ?
round shell
<#856897810536071208>
didn't notice thx !
hazy temple
Does anyone know if you can get a tier piece from a bonus roll? Like the tier token from Chimi
pastel shore
can you easily see in logs at how many combo points Bte was spend? like a summary (20Bte at 6, 10Bte at 7)
glass mortar
no
gotta go through and track casts and then overlay the resources and try to line up events
🙂
its part of why reading outlaw logs are annoying af
sonic flint
Yo guys, am I the only one who struggles a bit with energy on trickster 🤔. For context I'm running 25% haste and still running out like crazy. Mostly in M+, doesn't really happen in Raids as much
pastel shore
oh and any tips how to not die to invisible ground effects while Cloud Cover is up?
sonic flint
The one time it felt really good is when I rolled jackpot 4 times in arow into a 3 times 3 roll lmao
then the fun was over
halcyon quiver
And then your ret paladin forgets to move dread breath away from raid wiping you and your uber awesome rank 1 parse is nothing but a fairytale never to be seen again
potent walrus
Are there any outlaw key streamers
sonic flint
nah got the rank 1 for like 10 minutes until somebody else killed aleria lmao
next wedge
woxtox used to upload outlaw keys in tww but he abandoned the spec 
jovial dome
But he's carried and shit <_<
wild bobcat
Is there a way for in settings for smoke cloud to not cover ground swirlies
frail veldt
nah
maybe lower particle density
but its always gona be there
to some extent
just have to play around it
urban inlet
Damn Zac completely owning this udk
well, he is playing fatebound
frail veldt
LOL trollin
glass mortar
did zac already give up on tricks
doesnt surprise me
i genuinly dont know how anyone can enjoy this it feels awful
i dont even wanna login tonight
frail veldt
it really does
its also just awkward
the builder rules feel so bad
and when you run out of energy you just have to sit there and stare
craggy barn
i assume we can still cancel ks at max cp
frail veldt
so most of the time you full channel it
frail veldt
wonder if it increases or decreases variance lol
craggy barn
shrug
frail veldt
I just want to do what makes it not play awful
buoyant cosmos
I just want to do what makes it not play awful
that's the neat part
frail veldt
cuz lowkey hitting a bad rng streak/running out of energy on a big pack could just kill a key
Ill prob do the acro for sleight thing
seems worth the safety net
craggy barn
yea sims are pointing to cancelling at max cp is very minor gain
indigo token
trickster energy is ass
you're telling me, that by far, the worst feeling thing on outlaw (lack of energy) is not only annoyingly gated by haste, but feels worse on the hero talent we're running now?
next wedge
id prefer if they're gonna make us take KS to actually make the button do dmg
craggy barn
.2-.1%
halcyon quiver
I just want to do what makes it not play awful
tiny onyx
KS is as bad as rogue in D4
cinder relic
Rogue in D4 is good though
glass mortar
yea sims are pointing to cancelling at max cp is very minor gain
r u using the apl that sends KS at 5 cp tho?
isnt cancelling at max basically cancelling after a full channel if its spending most of its ks at 5
🤔
daring yoke
Can the cdm track our fart buff?
tiny onyx
it can track, but im not sure if it can track the actual cloud
sudden comet
Rogue in D4 is good though
Bomb, dash, trap, bomb, dash, trap
I loved my twisting blades build that was fun
cinder relic
DT rogue peak
sudden comet
Then I played paladin and wondered why anything ever existed
radiant wyvern
there wont be any fotm rerollers to law because of how bad trickster feels to play 
tiny onyx
We had to use shadow imbue to AoE other classes just zugzug
Anyone know if nebulous voidcores are disabled or something on NA? I had 3 yesterday, used 2 and when i logged on today i had 0
cinder relic
anyboyd doing these void rituals
craggy barn
r u using the apl that sends KS at 5 cp tho?
good point, i have to double check another thing with that
radiant wyvern
what if i drop ks for acro
radiant wyvern
2% in aoe
glass mortar
ahahah what a pathetic spell man
violet shoal
my rogue alt is a relatively fresh 90 - with the new patch is ouitlaw the best overall spec for rogue?
mystic berry
KS should drop cloud cover too
each sec of ks should give you a sec of adr
hollow bloom
each sec of ks should give you a sec of adr
Sir, thats sounding a bit too fun. We will put your idea in the shredder. 
buoyant cosmos
anyboyd doing these void rituals
Can you do as many as you want in a week?
full dew
tbh trickster feels so bad, skipped tww and fb felt more like DF, SL, BFA rogue
now its like im playing another spec
long barn
Are we still rerolling all stage 1 rtbs with trick?
full dew
Are we still rerolling all stage 1 rtbs with trick?
think so, 1s feels so nasty
jovial dome
Yes and most 2's
gentle wasp
my rogue alt is a relatively fresh 90 - with the new patch is ouitlaw the best o...
Yes, ur welcome
hollow bloom
I’ve been using haste flask to get to 30% haste for a while now lol
vivid vessel
tiny onyx
how the heck are you hitting 28% haste werent you at like 23-24% last week
oh wait you were running crit flask before
vivid vessel
i pressed haste flask
keen belfry
Are u wanting more energy zac
tiny onyx
sheesh an EU outlaw with 220k on dragons
vivid vessel
Are u wanting more energy zac
brother
i did keys today
its unplayable
have you done keys ?
like raid was ok but
keys ?
keen belfry
Yes but not many
tiny onyx
why is it so bad, because of the smoke cloud or energy starvation
radiant wyvern
builder rules just feel like shit
wooden ember
IMO the energy starvation and 6 cp spending
tiny onyx
we need 10 thistle teas
radiant wyvern
theres no satisfying flow youre just building
polar chasm
sheesh an EU outlaw with 220k on dragons
damn wtf did bro do LMAO
radiant wyvern
it is a 20 mob pack in a key
i have 5cp
i have no energy
i wait to build
i wait to spend
soft shard
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lone surge
brand new to rogue/outlaw do we press sinister strike or pistol shot for combo points?
ionic cloud
yes
glass mortar
hybrid pecan
Is dungeonslice good for outlaw
grave rose
first roll used
snow hill
Cloud cover is fucking arse cancer... It's DK Death & Decay for Rogues. Did a full run of H voidspire last night. Every boss has movement except dragons. Cloud cover is supposed to be a fucking 20sec dmg boost and on imperator alone I think I got a top go of 7sec at any one set of mobs before the tank pulls the entire pack away. FML.
Intern pirates of the pancreas design smh.
worthy surge
Cloud cover is fucking arse cancer... It's DK Death & Decay for Rogues. Did a fu...
by default the lowest amount of time you can get for cloud cover is 10s since its a 10s buff after you leave the cloud
max duration is 20s
so in the absolute worst scenario youre probably getting 11/20s
not 7s
grave rose
Can that be upgraded to a second socket?
nope, they didnt add that for Midnight
snow hill
not 7s
It's not the point, we want to maximize uptime on ADR, if its just before the tank decides to fucking speed race the mobs away right after I press it then fuck me who know maybe i get to stand in it for 1-2sec.
worthy surge
idk it hasnt been a major issue for me maybe lose like 2-3s every once in a while
but usually getting full value or almost full value
I feel a little bad for my party members but
long barn
Why couldn’t they made the cloud go around the rogue and follow us around
This shit blows
stuck mountain
so im trying outlaw in keys, and what im not liking/understanding is prep and KiR