outlaw

[hollow bloom]

I havnt played the changes yet but ya

Im ready to fartcloud and grief people

[near osprey]

yall saw the outlaw who did 180k on aver norm, bro was on fatebound

[thick coyote]

Add the cloud to fatebound, I wanna be fartbound spec

[brisk comet]

guys, what is the build now? Cant find one

[frank finch]

in pins

[patent mirage]

we are the fartlaw now

[tawdry mason]

can we track duration left on the fartcloud tho

shit's gonna be annoying asf

[patent mirage]

while you sit on it its an aura

with no duration showing

but then when it ends

you can track the buff ending

[tawdry mason]

ye figured that was wondering if the cloud itself can be tracked but I couldn't figure anything out

[patent mirage]

its on the default cdm manager

[inner meadow]

do you still haveto SnD on opener when it's st?=

[patent mirage]

you can find it there if talented

[frozen quest]

Anyone knows can i buy crucible rep trinket back from vendor? My item restoration is empty

[tawdry mason]

yeh get what you mean will have to do for now cheerio

[amber ibex]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[still matrix]

what keystone level do you need to run to use your bonus roll?

10?

[river wing]

yeah

10+

[livid sand]

Are we the best spec now? 😄

[unique fulcrum]

no

or u meant out of rogue

[lean flax]

best in our hearts

[wet gull]

Hey, is it worth to delay BtE for a few dispaches in order to get the garanteed CD reset ?

[static crescent]

friends DH just did 125k single in 2min normal fight

[frank finch]

it worth to delay for a sc bte

[static crescent]

nerf bats are hitting hard soon, lets see if we are on the receiving end

[lean flax]

We probably won't get nerfed, devourer just got buffed and they were already much better than outlaw

[jagged plover]

dw they nerfed fury, no one is safe

[gentle wasp]

For rogue ?

[flat karma]

I mean last time both law and Dev was buffed we still got compensation nerfed so I'm not hopeful

[stuck patrol]

my m+ warlock friend is telling me to talent out of smoke bomb talent bc its making it hard for him to see, should I listen or lmao

[ancient forge]

Hey, Guys wanted to ask a quick question, do we need more haste now that 24-25% or is that still good?

[lean flax]

if you hate doing damage then sure

[lean flax]

yeaaahhhh....

[nova sinew]

His problem

[stuck patrol]

l m a o

[nova sinew]

What is he doing in melee

[ebon solar]

where do we use our rolls guys? pit of saron?

[nova sinew]

Walking his felhound?

[stuck patrol]

we were stacking ground effect stuff

[static crescent]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[nova sinew]

Sir this is not a smoking free zone

[river wing]

don't care, git gud ©

[wanton fox]

!talents

[lean flax]

the smoke bomb is like the best visual thing we've gotten for PvE in a while, I like it even though its just the normal smoke bomb pvp talent

I'm not huge on the positional requirements but its not awful i guess

[wanton fox]

anyone got a link to the new trickster talent build?

[lean flax]

check pins

[light kernel]

now i get to flame tanks with smoke bomb

life feels good

https://tenor.com/view/limitless-limitlessmovie-limitless-movie-bradleycooper-bradley-cooper-limitless-gif-15515283416048482801

[worldly shale]

whats our voidcore prio, id guess gaze if i dont have it?
or just 2 dungeons as im probably next in line for gaze xd

[tall sundial]

are we allowed to KS in AR now or not?

[magic pollen]

So is smokebomb working Like in pvp so of There is an Archer outside fe it cannot attack the Group?

[tall sundial]

as it does not reset the 3 stacks

[river wing]

no

[magic pollen]

Sad that would have been Nice

[zinc briar]

what should we change for the new talent?

[lean flax]

probably better to spend your voidcore's on getting full myth gear first

[frank finch]

that would be busted

[magic pollen]

A cool utility

[zinc briar]

we still bte with 6+?

[lean flax]

unless you are raiding myth chimaerus then sure

roll for the trinky

[river wing]

they deleted smoke bomb from PvE because it was too good

(mobs got confused and you could basically mass vanish casts with it)

[unkempt dew]

It would be nice if other players don't see the smoke bomb tho

People will bitch about that

[merry elk]

Said this 3 days ago

Skill issue, get gud idk

[inland acorn]

Nah\

[unkempt dew]

Well its true

[inland acorn]

Now i have the power

To kill other people in raid

[unkempt dew]

hahaha

[inland acorn]

Now i'm a force to be reckon with

Sassy healer ? BOOM smoke on your head

[weary fog]

already got a hunter killed on 3rd boss terrace with it lol

[maiden vortex]

Hi, quick question guys if u know, i got umbral plume hm and solarflare myth in vault, i sim, but both are so close at max ilvl. Is there some tech or whatever that made one of them prio ?

[frank finch]

if they are the same take the flare

plume i hc and its an active you have to interacvt with

[violet osprey]

u cap so many combo points with dispathc on 6+ 😭

[maiden vortex]

fair enough, ty !

[near osprey]

why do we have to get it to 6 tho

[cinder relic]

cuz its more damage

[near osprey]

i mean like

why cant it just be 5 like fatebound

[cinder relic]

Because fatebound coins flip on 5CP

which is enough of a payoff for us to want to spend dispatch at 5cp

Trickster doesn't, so generating another time is fine

[near osprey]

how much of a loss it to finish on 5 cps

[cinder relic]

like 1% iirc

[thick coyote]

Just out of curiousity, how much of a loss is it to ONLY dispatch on 5? I feel like im wasting so much enery and CP that could be going to grave digger and the 2/2

Yeah that^ guy beat me to it

[cinder relic]

It might be more

[tiny onyx]

A bit of confusion with tricks, it says it increases the targets dmg by 15% this mean the tank's dmg only, right?

[cinder relic]

It doesnt do that

[frank finch]

pvp only

[slim hare]

thats a pvp talent

[tiny onyx]

Oh I see, ty for clearing that up

[thick coyote]

Im just running out of energy on ST dummy at like 3:30, if im dispatching at 5cp I feel like energy goes alot further. I could be wrong

[frank finch]

playing law again today felt good only thing that still feels bad is bf usage

[nova blaze]

can someone help me with the new trickster rotation? it feels akward and i keep going to 5 cp regardless of using pistol shot with 6 stacks or getting opportunity. if bte is up and we go to 5, do we go for another ss to get to 7? do we still send dispatch at 5 or do we press ss again once we go to 5? im so confused

[cinder relic]

u wanna SS at 5, or PS if you have 6opp stacks

[nova blaze]

so we always send dispatch and bte at 6 or 7 ? if i get that right ?

[cinder relic]

and KS

but yes

[bronze badge]

What is better now trick or fate and finish at 6 + ? I try it and i have better damage with trick

[nova blaze]

aight. man i liked fatebound more this feels super unintuitive. spec version of pay 10€ to get 1000 points but skin costs 1100

[karmic gust]

so apart from fart cloud and KS it's pretty much the same as fatebound then right ?

[edgy owl]

anyone playing both outlaw and sub knows wich class got buffed the most? Idk if I swap to outlaw

someone said in perfect play, outlaw is only ahead by like 4-5%

[cinder relic]

Yer the 6cp rule feels a bit stinky and takes a bit of adjusting too

[wintry solar]

But what if you're disarmed and then the warrior fears you and you get CC locked and adr is out?

[nova blaze]

wait do we play around farcloud? i thought thats an auto include and just ignore in rotation

[wintry solar]

What then genius?

[cinder relic]

/abandon

[tiny onyx]

we're sending BtE though when we have it at 6CP right?

[wintry solar]

So true and also real

[tiny onyx]

with those ace2 resets

[radiant dock]

truck fickster

[karmic gust]

it goes up when you press ADR yeah but that doesn't exist with fatebound so still gotta play around it one way or another

[jolly geyser]

Truck fister

[nova blaze]

so question is ar is 15 secs, do we wait 5 secs after prep with ar since fartcloud lasts 20 secs or do we shoot ar immediatly after running out basicly losing 5 secs of fartcloud ?

[edgy owl]

guys, I have a mission for you, I'm a sub main and Idk if I should put some effort into swapping or just stay in sub, convert me

[jolly geyser]

Sub got buff also no?

[karmic gust]

you gotta be in it when it starts and ends

[nova blaze]

play outlaw (imagine im holding you at gunpoint with bte superloader ready) youll get carpal tunnel and have fun getting it

[edgy owl]

yup, and someone said outlaw is only better by 4-5%, but the stat seemed weird

[karmic gust]

guess it's better to lose a few secs of uptime on fazed than waiting five seconds before using AR again on a big pack

[unkempt dew]

Can we track the cloud buff with the in game CDM?

[nova blaze]

i think thats so counterintuitive staying still to increase dmg on one of the most mobile specs

[dusty magnet]

whats dps loss of not runnin killin spree

[karmic gust]

i mean u just have to go in it u don't have to sit still

sounds mobile to me

[slim hare]

the buff yes; the cloud no

[blissful idol]

any vault experts

[karmic gust]

cloud you're gonna see it anyway

[vale python]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[unkempt dew]

Aaight thanks

[brittle pelican]

is a heroic alnseer better than all myth trinks?

[near osprey]

yall think holding ar after the first ar fart clouds ends is better for more uptime

[livid sand]

Out of rogue for M+/Raid 😄

[karmic gust]

if i add the socket in raibots, does it add it automatically if i have gems selected ? I wanna try to see what's better between adding two sockets and an ilvl increase on a trinket

[hallow flame]

After Aug this rogue rotations looks like a magic for newbie like me

[nova blaze]

idk i think its just that i really dont like trickster. the trick in trickster is that no one understands the rotation anymore lol xD

[karmic gust]

about to try it but sounds really unfun compared to fatebound ye

[arctic hollow]

Do we need to pop a dummy to be able to KS ?

[valid hound]

hey guys, the aoe talent tree that's in the FAQ - that's what's recommended for raid aoe and also m+ aoe?

[nova blaze]

ye it feels really whack. its a collection of all the things to make the spec as uncomfortable to play as possible

[edgy owl]

how much better is outlaw compared to sub?

[valid hound]

i just tried it, thought that its unfun but found it pretty fun, and also has a good dps increase

i like it

[karmic gust]

alright will fetch the new talents then

[silent edge]

I dont see a pin for our bonus Roll prio. Anyone knows from the hip?

[jolly geyser]

mythic bosses and PoS

pit of saron not piece of shit

[silent edge]

So probably Main hand -> trinket -> off hand maybe?

[nova blaze]

its more fun. other than that i wouldnt say it isnt 😄

[karmic gust]

anything worth changing in the talents apart from taking elusiveness instead of cheat death ?

[earnest sphinx]

Anyone has the dawnbreaker ks gif?

[mighty cosmos]

Got the Fish hook in my chest, how is it good in outlaw?

[cinder relic]

Wowhead bis gear sections has them for all specs

[tropic zephyr]

im hitting dummies and doing less damage than last week

[agile orchid]

outlaw genuinely feels terrible to play

I did a key and I was struggling with energy so bad at some point

[tropic zephyr]

ace2 feels good

i hate ks

[karmic gust]

i noticed that i didn't have any energy problem with fatebound aanymore

[agile orchid]

would feel better if it brought your combo points to 6 instead of 5

[karmic gust]

was probably skill and gear

hope it won't come back with trickster as you said lmao

[frank finch]

you do also want more haste now

[tropic zephyr]

i don't have enough playtime but energy feels kinda the same

[nova blaze]

i think trickster would be a lot cooler with old KS. that spell was meh at best but peak fun

[neat mist]

I got a sword from vault on my rogue

about to try out Outlaw this patch

[obsidian karma]

can someone explain this to me? why do we snd before pull? feels like a waste, need to build combo points again for supercharged bte

[neat mist]

Do NOT tell me it feels terrible to play

[granite quarry]

supercharged bte is very big

[simple orchid]

Na you're supposed to AR at the start of the fight

So full cp into bte etc...

[obsidian karma]

am I missing something wtf? it clearly says we ar rtb then snd even tho snd consumes all suped up combo points pre pull

how the fk am I supposed to supercharge bte right after

[simple orchid]

Oh mb didn't read it good 😅

[frank finch]

snd does not consume sc

[obsidian karma]

so what I still need to spend a couple of sinister strikes to build all cps up again

[granite quarry]

yes

[karmic gust]

that's before the key is put in no ?

that's different nvm

[obsidian karma]

what the helly, the before the key thing is just for the rtb

[granite quarry]

pre pull is ar > rtb > snd, hit boss build to bte, again if reset etc then prep

[obsidian karma]

I ain't spending 3 sinister strikes to get a new bte up just to have snd up a second earlier lol

[frank finch]

wat

[radiant dock]

the point of pressing snd is that it doesnt consume a supercharger

you press it manually to avoid using a supercharger on dispatch

[obsidian karma]

to potentially save the other one on another bte?

if the 1st one resets?

[radiant dock]

yes, either from reset or prep

[obsidian karma]

aah okay that makes sense, but its explained badly

[karmic gust]

is there a place with 8 target dummies ? Feel like it's pointless to try the new dps on just 5 targets

[still matrix]

Don't think so

[obsidian karma]

so what bro after I go to mount edgeimus with everything I'm still supposed to edge a little more with a few sinister strikes before I can bte on pull? feelsbadman

[cinder relic]

The alternative is using dispatch which would consume a supercharge stack

So we precast snd instead

[haughty moat]

whats the loss when we just go bte and get snd a few seconds later ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Like 0.8% over 5 minutes

3% over 1 minute

[haughty moat]

hmmm thats alot

[obsidian karma]

what about good rtb buffs? do we still prep if we have rtb 3-4? do you always prep even tho you can have adrenaline rush back fast and a prep after?

[gaunt phoenix]

Cuz you have to bte, prep bte, their resets, and ks before finally dispatch

Yes you prep unless saving it for chimaerus downphase or w.e

[timid idol]

isnt it more value to roll x2 on pit then gamble on anlseer myth? i know theres tierset and good belt too but pit also has pants set and all the other items are still good

[gaunt phoenix]

I would myth alsneer

[timid idol]

also chimaerus has 1/4 of rolling absolutely useless item

while everything in pit can be used, even cape

[gaunt phoenix]

Yea, tho raid drops at like 4/6 track

[timid idol]

[gaunt phoenix]

Save like 60 crests

[timid idol]

but my luck is bad...

im gonna get undreamt piece of shit...

[gaunt phoenix]

Believe in gamba

[timid idol]

[gaunt phoenix]

Bonus rolls seem bugged tho idk if i would do it rm

Rn

[timid idol]

oh ye for sure

do they just evaporate

or whats the bug

[wintry solar]

So we roll 5 D6s, how does that add up to 4 stages?

[gaunt phoenix]

[timid idol]

is this gonna be like the craft bug

[gaunt phoenix]

Smth about dupes

[thick coyote]

Solo, do you by any chance have the sim stuff for if we were just sending dispatch's at 5cp every time instead of 6? How much am I losing by refusing to change my muscle memory

[timid idol]

where blizz didnt refund the poor guys that got bugged

[gaunt phoenix]

It's like 0.5%

[wintry solar]

Bonus rolls gave dupes

[thick coyote]

Ill take that

[wintry solar]

Oh he said

[timid idol]

oh

well the bug doesn't affect you if you dont have any item from that loot table then

[unkempt dew]

@vivid vessel Bonjour! Will you be streaming today?

[gaunt phoenix]

Well idk if the next one will break if the loot table didn't save correctly

[timid idol]

oh damn that makes sense

fkin hell

[formal thunder]

Wrong Chim Trinket :C

[timid idol]

grats on solarflare

everything else seems slop

also

[valid badge]

Hello fellow fartenjoyers, I just got Zacs wa and for some reason cant see any buffs over the combo points bar. Is there something i need to enable ?

[timid idol]

with bonus rolls availabile now we should slowly pivot to the crit gem right?

over the bonus mainstat gem?

since everyone is getting closer to 40-25

[valid hound]

i guess in this scenario it makes sense to get myth hands insteaf of a re-roll (since they're bis)?

[wild bobcat]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[strong cargo]

is plume trinket simming correctly ? it is siming more than crown by so much here 🤔 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/udB65tEJVBkhxb7cYtP8CE

[unique fulcrum]

it's a 1.4% upgrade for prism im pretty sure

ranger*

[gaunt phoenix]

It's replacing the other one

prob crit is a bit more valuable as trickster

[jagged plover]

dupe protection bugged, overcapping bugged we really jinxed it yesterday saying they were fixing bugs more than ever

[unique fulcrum]

overcapping bugged, wdym by that?

[jagged plover]

apparently if you take the bonus roll from vault, then do your weekly ones, you don't get
1/2 then 2/2 3/3
you get 1/2 then 2/2 2/2

xd

[timid idol]

wait how does this bonus roll actually work, does it happen AFTER all the natty drops have been rolled for?

is there a world where people use bonus roll, get alnseer, and then you can just roll the natty one for free

[normal quail]

ok so this smoke cloud

ye feels like ass wtf

smells like it too fr

[cursive stag]

you use it when you use it

asap and will happen

[valid hound]

is this build what's recommended for both m+ and aoe raids (like dreamrift)?

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/trickster/EAPRFRUVRUVRFUYoRQCUFNVFFVVRQZFUYUdBVFFVVVUCAA

[timid portal]

yes

you have everything in faq

st talents you play on vorasius

[valid hound]

yeah i saw it in faq, was wondering if it's for both aoe scenarios

got it

[timid portal]

beloren and lura

[foggy cove]

is there a note smwhere on which to play for each boss

[ornate loom]

So we use trickster now, instead of fatebound?

[timid portal]

yes

[ornate loom]

Uh....

What makes it better then fatebound rn?

[tulip jewel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[timid portal]

you can go aoe on 1/3/4/5/6/7/9, while depending on situation you can also go st talents on salahadar and cosmos

[limpid sky]

more damage because of the changes to cloud cover

[ornate loom]

Ok, I guess on ST right?

[valid hound]

on both i think

[limpid sky]

both !

[valid hound]

its like 13% more dps

[pine scaffold]

can you read the things on this channel porfavor

[limpid sky]

yeah there are pins on this channel explaining everything abt the changes in great detail

[ornate loom]

Will check the pins

[unkempt smelt]

what a shite vault

[jagged plover]

some guy in the mage discord has a bug where he can cast everything while moving

this patch is cinema

[pine scaffold]

kroluk is not bad for m+ tho

[real shoal]

How much haste do we need for the new trickster builds?

[pine scaffold]

im so fucking tired of the fact that m+ runners are supposed to mythic raid

just sim ur stat weights

[jagged plover]

if you do a prophunt you can cast while moving afterwards

blizzard are so unserious

[cedar bone]

is it even worth to track the tea in CDM cause it autoconsume no?

[pine scaffold]

well in a sense yes, you can pool ur energy if the pack is dieing and ur low in energy

to have it ready for boss or for the next full hp pck

[cedar bone]

hm ok

and is it worth to track SnD? cause on guide is written to use it pre pull but its used when i use finisher automaticly right?

[dusk dirge]

"Just another day in World of Bugcraft: Mid-development
Brought to you by Microslop Blizz(t)ard Betatainment"

[pine scaffold]

I have it tracked, but personallt i dont see much usage for it

[nova blaze]

would anything be against putting ks and dispatch on a one button macro? or is ks more than a spender that just above dispatch in priority

[pine scaffold]

it means you’ll have it already active before using ur first finisher so thats some minmaxing

[pine scaffold]

i think you want to use KS with more points vs dispatch that you can use at 5+

[nova blaze]

true but since we play trickster now we dont dispatch at 5 anymore

[pine scaffold]

oh dont we, im at work so havent had time yet to test

whats the new cap?

[desert latch]

Is there a target priority for ks? Like use it only for groups oder st?

[nova blaze]

we usually send everything on 6+ i think

[nova blaze]

i think all time in rotation since it gives the blade stacks that enable coup

[quartz magnet]

How bad is the visibility when the smoke bomb is active? Heard it was awful

[lime bridge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova blaze]

spell effects still shine through but i got stuck on debris in a dungeon i didnt see and died so its whats

[quartz magnet]

damn okay

[desert latch]

Okay okay because I thought you’d be able to do 2 or maybe 3 dispatches in the time ks finishes its cast so maybe in regards to that there’s a target prio

[nova blaze]

you can just send ks untill you get 7 cp then cancel for dispatch

if you dont ks you dont get the escalating blades from trickster

[desert latch]

Got it well this will be fun adding ks back to the rotation

[wanton sparrow]

if i dont fuck with keep it rolling and prep i play with these talents correct for m+ and raid?

[nova blaze]

i know what you mean prep feels so ass to play

[desert latch]

Wasn’t much of a fan of keep it rolling at the start but it really helps a lot to keep uptime of 2/3/4 rolls - prep on the other hand really feels like total shit sometimes

[cold crescent]

erm so how do i see swirlies on the floor if smoke bomb is down

[nova blaze]

just go for kir and throw it on 2+, it will make life a lot easier. ive tested it in the beginning if you just use it on every +2 or higher roll you get, you nearly never got the 1 roll

[wanton sparrow]

In war with in i was playing in the season 3 or whenever the undermine stuff where and it was again meta to play keep in rolling with some other stuff but i was playing hidden opportunity and now that i try playing outlaw again stuff just seem weird

[wanton sparrow]

yeah i think ill play with kir but prep i rly dont like and i think is because is a gcd ability

[jagged plover]

guys not to alarm you but we're getting nerfed for sure! people will see we are topping meters on normal and riot

[desert latch]

Kir is almost a must have if you want to reduce your 1 rolls uptime

[nova blaze]

even if prep wasnt on gcd it feels ass
i simmed 4k less dps without it so i guess its not that huge of a loss

[wanton sparrow]

i am not playing with prep for sure i play with kir this is an alt so i will be just m+ gaming

and maybe hcs

raid

[prisma jacinth]

is there a difference between dagger / sword offhand other than energy gains? quick skimming through pinned couldn't see any info

[nova blaze]

just energy but barely noticable id say

[weary fog]

dagger stacks instant poison and zero in faster

[jagged plover]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[nova blaze]

damn i though it was about energy i forgot we dont have that talent anymore

[prisma jacinth]

thank you boys

[desert latch]

Is the puzzle box on myth track viable for outlaw? Rest of my vault is garbage so wondering if I should pick it up

[nova blaze]

mastery isnt really worth it, id rather pick up that socket

[jolly geyser]

or bonus roll

[desert latch]

Yeah socket it is then

[turbid robin]

Who have sword doesnt want it from reroll on something

[blissful idol]

xdd

[jagged plover]

you gotta sandbag us for a few days at least

[nova blaze]

wait you can get another roll on vault ?

[blissful idol]

ask me anything guys

[mighty cosmos]

what do you guys think about that? I have allready gaze and guidon

[haughty sandal]

Do your parents change the subject whenever someone asks them about you?

[blissful idol]

ye bro i topped dmg again hotwheelsx69 with 250 ilvl

[pearl topaz]

arghrgh

shit fucking choices every single vault

[desert latch]

Yeah for me sockets back to back two weeks in a row now

[jagged plover]

well bonus roll might be better than socket for you

[nova blaze]

what bonus roll can we get additional vault items ?

[valid badge]

@vivid vessel when importing your WA pack, why is the Otl_Buffs and Otl_Procs red ?

[desert latch]

I didn’t know there is a bonus roll I just wasted it 🥲

[vivid vessel]

Bro it says runs 1

[nova blaze]

same ;/ its explained nowhere

[vivid vessel]

That's not data

Omegalul

[desert latch]

Hurts brother

[true light]

just trying to get 3400io and maybe dabble in M raid which rogue spec should i commit too for best success?

[jolly geyser]

so,alleria in vault?

[vivid vessel]

Not sure

[inland cairn]

the gameplay downgrade feels so real

[vivid vessel]

Wait I'm still In bed

I'm considering going sleep a bit more

Let me think

Vault is tempting

2 more hour or sleep is also tempting

[desert latch]

Take a look at vault to ruin your day

[vivid vessel]

Warned you guys

[compact musk]

any reason why outlaw sims so high on aoe? cant seem to get those numbers on the dummy's

[uneven needle]

Go sleep, vault later

[jagged plover]

you can bonus roll at end of m10 or raid to get vault ilvl of that loot

[remote pecan]

outlaw buffs were a bait?

[jagged plover]

costs 2 rolls for raid though

[sinful dagger]

I think i am bad a Trickster, cannot get dps, go back to Fade. But i am fine with it 🤪

[nova blaze]

so if i already took the vault i cant do that anymore i suppose ?

[jagged plover]

i mean you get 2 per week

but you can get another 1 from taking the socket currency

instead of a vault item

[formal thunder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/54og9x64Xyk5tpjZAcGgCM

[rotund haven]

Didn’t get to play yesterday, how bad does trickster feel compared to fatebound

[jagged plover]

seems worth to take the bonus roll unless it's a BIS dungeon drop, or a raid drop

[formal thunder]

got Myth Prism in Vault, but HC Plume I got sims just as good combined with Mythic Gaze I'm gonna target with bonus rolls

Do I just take a socket from vault?

[nova blaze]

oh i see good to know

[wintry solar]

Kinda like a chore

[jagged plover]

because bonus rolls are supposed to have bad luck protection so taking a non-bis from vault is a throw compared to bonus rolling the dungeon

tho that's bugged for fun

[inland cairn]

building at 5 and pressing killing spree makes me want to spec sub

[unkempt dew]

You always can

Nobody is stopping you from doing so

[zinc briar]

did they fix the bug of bte in bosses like vorasius?

[vivid vessel]

ok i apologize king i got nothing in vault

[tender rapids]

can i have a color ?

[vivid vessel]

no

[tender rapids]

why

[vivid vessel]

you dont deserve it

[tender rapids]

.i.

[mild tide]

My tank complained everytime when I pressed ar 🫣 😄

[inland cairn]

some of mine run away from it

[mild tide]

xDD

[glacial drum]

hi fellas, i usually play sub but this exp wanna give a try like jack sparrow. is outlaw good for m+ and raid atm ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes it's fine

but if you do mythic beloren and crown

those are not outlaw fights

[glacial drum]

hmm sub not good at belo too, see some ppl playing assa in belo

thanks sir!

[worn comet]

sub is really good at belo now

[normal quail]

not having loaded dice in the aoe build is 🤢

[slim hare]

ok i ghot nothing in vault too :/

[normal quail]

rolling a 2 perma

[gaunt phoenix]

im using sleight over acro

[normal quail]

rly?

what's the % loss

[gaunt phoenix]

it was 0.3% slice and 0.9% st

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix raidbot broken?

[glacial drum]

So i can go sub in this bosses 🙂 thanks!

[gaunt phoenix]

ye prolly

[vivid vessel]

gg

dont wanna play anymore

[normal quail]

@vivid vessel select the ilvl

[vivid vessel]

how do i even sim

[normal quail]

it works then

[frozen quest]

Whole Team died in Nexus Point when I used AR all run into the Laser and died - key abandoned and got reported for rogue class griefing xd

[vivid vessel]

ty cuh

[normal quail]

np

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

genius

[livid sand]

How are we comparing to Subs/Sins now in M+ as well as raid? Is there a general overview? 🙂

[fiery timber]

where we gonna reroll for 1h weapon?

[normal quail]

nexus probs

or saladhar myth

unless ur chasing the dagger in which it would be pit

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix is updated apl merged in i didnt check cuh

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[vivid vessel]

huge !

[weary fog]

dropping acro is a .1% gain for me

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[normal quail]

im gnna test now

cos not taking it feels pretty meh

[dreamy halo]

ZAC GG on the alleria trinket kek

[vivid vessel]

ty

[blissful idol]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[blissful idol]

where are u using your cores guys

[maiden vortex]

sim works with new talents update right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

mythic chimaeus/beloren/crown > pit of saron > whatever dungeon if you have pit stuff >> never heroic raid

[maiden vortex]

well i have an issue, maybe i did something wrong but fatebound still sims 10% higher for me

[gaunt phoenix]

link

[maiden vortex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fMJhbbpusTBaPW4ppJY5Fe

[weary fog]

did u choose cloud cover

[maiden vortex]

mhhh

[maiden vortex]

damn ill try again then

mb guys

[gaunt phoenix]

also change this to latest

[maiden vortex]

oh okay ty

[hybrid flax]

they fix the duplicate from bonus roll thing yet anyone kno , i got pits to coin

[gaunt phoenix]

not that im aware

!ban @fringe niche spam

[jagged plover]

didnt get to join rip

[young prism]

lol that was quick 😄

[normal quail]

what talents you using here?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4QN2Fb57Z6dqBqqKtZet8x

[maiden vortex]

wrong ones

[normal quail]

was gnna say

[maiden vortex]

didnt take cloud cover

simming again rn

[gaunt phoenix]

ye I'm changing the aoe build to default to sleight

[unique fulcrum]

what we taking out

for it

[gaunt phoenix]

Acro

[weary fog]

acro seems to be more of a gain with full raid buffs which makes sense but like, its pretty minor

[unique fulcrum]

30% autoattack damage seems like alot

[gaunt phoenix]

Sleight is better in sustain aoe

acro maybe a bit more st

[fervent garden]

that's the one change? sleight for acro?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[fervent garden]

ok

thx

[daring yoke]

would cleave raid use sleight or acro?

[pulsar briar]

HI guys, any link please to the m+ build we should use?

[normal quail]

dungeon slice 172,633 +acro
dungeon slice 171,549 +sleight

[gaunt phoenix]

prob preference, i like sleight

[normal quail]

diff is not much tbf

[weary fog]

sleight is super cozy

[shadow badge]

i was wondering if i should switch to outlaw again

now i know

wtf is this XD

[dim parrot]

Sims are garbage for comparing specs

[jolly geyser]

unlucky

[long bramble]

why are my buffs perma showing?

[gaunt phoenix]

I believe whispyr is not concerned about optimizing sin apl for sustain aoe patchwerk

[maiden vortex]

i have another question, sim tells me to equip nexus ring set but i lose like 3% crit ( from 32 to 28 ); do i follow it or priorise crit ?

[past sphinx]

anyone know wtf this green bars are on tomelvis ui?

[inner meadow]

do i still have to use SnD before opener if purely st?

[long bramble]

tea

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[maiden vortex]

tea charges

[past sphinx]

ah tyty

[vivid vessel]

open acdm

[past sphinx]

i think i've messed up the font import

looks ugly

[vivid vessel]

top left

fix buffs

or whateve

[long bramble]

this?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[long bramble]

tyty

[fickle stream]

noob question, have any dif between a trinket 276 from hc and one 276 from mythic track

no right?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[glass mortar]

other then one having a max higher upgrade no there is no difference at the same ilvl

[past sphinx]

anyone know why cdm profiles reset and get deleted after i close and re open wow

[vivid vessel]

trickster is so ass to play !

worse than i thought

nice

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[violet raft]

why?

[weary fog]

building at 5 sucks

[gaunt phoenix]

other than energy i got used to it

[unique fulcrum]

seat has the biggest dps gain if i bonus roll but holy moly there are like 14 items

[mighty pivot]

yes... but permatricks

[wintry solar]

You still sick?

[gaunt phoenix]

sick of popo

[mighty pivot]

are you no longer the only real outlaw or whatever?

[wintry solar]

:(

[vivid vessel]

is there a belt

with more crit

than the one from pit

or

crit haste belt

[wintry solar]

It's implied

[vivid vessel]

but high crit

[mighty pivot]

how many crit haste belts do you want

[red zinc]

man why you askin me

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[vivid vessel]

ok

[uneven needle]

Is outlaw better for paladins than assa now?

[balmy tinsel]

I know wowhead is questionable but how is the update to ace up your sleeve +13% damage ?

[gaunt phoenix]

its not

its the reworked trickster talent

cloud cover

[balmy tinsel]

aah

[gaunt phoenix]

that is >10% dps

[balmy tinsel]

thx

[gaunt phoenix]

and then ace is 2% or w.e

[stuck patrol]

new ace change feels pretty nice

[gaunt phoenix]

i do like the high reset chance

building at 5 is of course stinky

but w.e

[weary fog]

getting 3 back to back btes does feel nice

without building in between them

[stuck patrol]

are we more concerned about overcapping fte stacks, or overcapping cps?

[gaunt phoenix]

cps

[maiden vortex]

lack of energy bc of that feels so bad

[gaunt phoenix]

Pistol shot does literally infinite damage

highest button thats not bte

so you dont wanna overcap opp

[stuck patrol]

interesting

so at 6 stacks just send if not 6 or more cps?

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz cloud cover gives it +150% crit damage

yes

[hearty socket]

So bois, when do we send KS?

[mighty pivot]

and it has like 60-80% crit too

[gaunt phoenix]

you ks as a finisher but lower priority than bte and prep

higher than dispatch

[hearty socket]

Appreciate you

[gaunt phoenix]

So your opener is AR etc > BTE spam > prep bte > finally ks

[hearty socket]

Got it, thank you solo ❤️

[gaunt phoenix]

And you can cancel killing spree with a finisher if you're about to cap energy during the channel

tho that is not a big thing

just people like the idea of canceling it

[sturdy crow]

do we wait for 3 stack to fall off first, I just noticed ks puts fazed to 1

[daring venture]

is the rotation changing overall ?

[gaunt phoenix]

not that im aware

you would still ks when it's priority

i tried not using ks to override fazed to 1 but didnt get anywhere

[daring venture]

hmmm I see

[sturdy crow]

ty<3

[gaunt phoenix]

ks is still pretty good to fuel your coups which leads to more AR

[daring venture]

ty bro ur work is amazing for all the outlaw mains btw

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe if you are trying to optimize like beloren egg damage

and dont care about the rest of the fight

[proven surge]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[tiny maple]

Man, trickster can feel like absolute butt sometimes

[valid hound]

hey guys, once u craft your mh, ring, and boots with sparks - how do you decide what to craft next?

[lapis sandal]

I've been playing Fatebound and Dispatch at 5 CP, which was almost always enjoyable. With the new Trickster 6 CP setup, I feel like I'm always wasting CP because I end up at 5. Is this normal?

[gaunt phoenix]

you can use raidbots top gear, and at the top you can add any item to your bags

so can try different crafted items

but it also depends on your mythic loot

[valid hound]

i thought of doing that but couldnt find what's all possible to craft with sparks, archon shows only top 4 popular

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz it can be better to upgrade mythic track loot instead of craft a 4th item

[mystic berry]

do we cancel ks or not?

[gaunt phoenix]

you CAN cancel if you max energy during the channel

but its not like

big deal

[gaunt phoenix]

yes that's normal

[mystic berry]

Yeah im not doing that min max

just wanted to know if not cancelling was a dps loss or gain

[gaunt phoenix]

small loss

[plucky chasm]

Guys i saw casualaddict say that outlat got 13% buffed, is that true ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[valid hound]

solo, is it possible to find a list of all possible items u can craft with sparks, so that i import them all into simbot?

[plucky chasm]

So waht u guys think atm (real thoughts) is the best spec to play for 18+ keys

[gaunt phoenix]

well all the leather stuff is silvermoon agent

[lapis sandal]

Ty, at times in the m+ I felt like something was slipping away from me

[valid hound]

aha, nice

thank you!

[gaunt phoenix]

ring and neck is masterwork sin'dorei

that's it really

[jagged plover]

isnt crafted items on droptimizer

[valid hound]

yeah and offhand farstryder something

[gaunt phoenix]

you can droptimize but it wont consider the rest of your bag items

[plain stirrup]

Is there anything we can drop for Sleight of hand?

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe, yes you can remove Acrobatic strikes

I just switched the default build to it even

i should have done it from the start

[plain stirrup]

okay perfect ty

how is the energy when you get to the haste breakpoint btw? just sent one key and it felt very feast or famine with energy

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster can famine when unlucky

but also playing well influences energy

every global

so its hard to just blame rng

[valid hound]

solo how do you like this new gameplay?

i mean new build

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont really mind

i kinda like having ks, kir, prep

lots of buttons

[valid hound]

yeah, its more of cd management now

[gaunt phoenix]

i also like doing big damage

[plain stirrup]

yeah i mean was playing trickster before but never really had energy problems maybe im just playing new rotation wrong lol

[vivid vessel]

I have 0 fps !

[proven surge]

Any fixes to this lads?

[gaunt phoenix]

idk literally all my addons broke

disabled everything

[proven surge]

Just tryna be a Zac fanboy man

[vivid vessel]

https://github.com/NoSelph/ShadowedUnitFrames/releases

i mean

you didnt read the guide then

be a better fanboy

[proven surge]

Bet

[gaunt phoenix]

schooled

[proven surge]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[vivid vessel]

i dont wanna socket this belt

from raid

[gaunt phoenix]

energy in big aoe is good, can get really bad in low cleave especially

[vivid vessel]

the haste crit one

its too much aste

!

[gaunt phoenix]

but you still shouldnt just be in constant energy despair

[weary fog]

is there a universe where we ks at 5 if we'd otherwise have to build first

[gaunt phoenix]

its prob fine

the only thing is that pistol shot does infinite damage

so if you have to press SS more then you get more ss procs

oh kay

do it!

[restive pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fsfPTbyWdAGiFe7gK6EcgQ Am I simming something wrong? Shows a 108k 5 min patchwerk sim with hero track main hand, while I'm simming for 96,7k as assa with myth main track

[willow narwhal]

guys in which scenario should we cancle ks and why if i may ask?

[gaunt phoenix]

you cancel ks when you hit max energy during the channel

[fickle stream]

ok so, i dont have weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

just cause ks is not tuned all that well

[fickle stream]

fk that game

lol

[native tinsel]

solo, the opener in pins, does it mean that we kinda dont care about the first cloud cover?

[gaunt phoenix]

wdym

[weary fog]

lets gooo

building at 5 -> pressing ks and wasting infinite CP felt super bleh

[native tinsel]

"The opener is now always :adr: AR + RTB + SND just before the pull" that wont be a good position, right?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix i pressed adr twice in a row under 30 energy !

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean sometimes

but you stealth up to the boss right

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix I just wanna thnk you and the others for the work u are doin. The build variations with the dps loss so everyone will choose the appropriate for him is realy amazing. Thnxz

[gaunt phoenix]

in vanguard i did kinda wait a bit

instead of prepull

[bronze badge]

Yeah but with trick or fate?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

i did it a handful of times

[jagged plover]

i wanna blow my brains out trying to set up a usable ui

[valid hound]

yeah, i just joined this discord, didnt know it existed. especially for a new player like me, it's an insane value. so thank you so much @gaunt phoenix and the rest who run it

[willow narwhal]

ty

[willow narwhal]

ty

I just wonder why we play with KS in the first place then. Is it purely because of the combo points we get out of it?

[gaunt phoenix]

No for trickster it generates 2 unseen blades

[weary fog]

ks = more coup = more cdr = more adr

[native tinsel]

is there a RTB tracker, i keep dropping this shit

[willow narwhal]

Ohh okay makes sense ty

[violet osprey]

wouldnt dispatch be better than sleight tho?

[willow narwhal]

yeah also true

[gaunt phoenix]

you need acro to connect to dispatcher

Day 2 updates

1. You can KS at 5 cps, it's a small gain (0.5%)

2. The AoE build now defaults to Sleight of Hand instead of Acrobatic Strikes, they are close but Sleight is better in sustain AoE and helps RNG, I should have defaulted it from the start

3. There is a bug where Adrenaline Rush drains 30 energy with the new Cloud Cover talent. This means if you don't have 30 energy then the smoke will not happen
   ^ fixed <t:1777070816:R>

Trickster ST Build | AoE Version

[violet osprey]

also it feels so weird to not kir on stage 2 anymore

[mighty hare]

misread, thought you were simming 5 target AoE, it seems fine?

[karmic gust]

you can make a sound alert when the buff expires in the built in cooldown manager

[gaunt phoenix]

yea, would still KIR on 2 if you would risk a natty roll soon

without loaded dice

but that's kinda vibes more than actually backed up by data

[restive pulsar]

Thats crazy increase, seems too good to believe

[gaunt phoenix]

the sim likes to natty roll, i guess cause if you dont roll stage 1 then you are ahead of the curve and get to save loaded dice for the next roll

but if you do roll stage 1 it is big stink

[violet osprey]

it aint huge diff on gameplay either

i expected it to be for some reason

[mellow dagger]

Do we ever hold adr for bte

[gaunt phoenix]

not officially but i would if they are separated by 1 finisher

[sullen nimbus]

@vivid vessel

[mighty hare]

i guess it's pretty good... my own char sims 94k with fatebound and 107k with trickster

[vivid vessel]

what

[unique fulcrum]

my entire ui bricked midkey and i couldnt see my energy and my cp for half of the dungeon

[gaunt phoenix]

why you bugging zac

[native tinsel]

u sure? i only found a way to make a sound for rtb being available, not the buff dropping

[restive pulsar]

Wild, been a ride so far. Leveled as outlaw, switched to sub with the 4set being strong, swapped to assa because it felt better and now I'm back to outlaw

[dim parrot]

Anyone know how ahead dwarf is from nelf for outlaw

Like 1%

[twilit frost]

So what the sims says is keep gambling and overall you'll get dps but your life might also suck

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

ye

[unkempt anvil]

chimerus aoe or st?

[gaunt phoenix]

It means if you did 50,000 pulls, your average result is higher if you gamble

[mighty hare]

i have played outlaw for several years, hated being energy starved in the beginning but got better... dont really like the new RtB personally...
only thing i really need to properly figure out is AoE at this point, still dont get how Zac managed to do 600k+ in algathar academy but hopefully one day

[karmic gust]

there's a buff section in the cdm and you can include rtb there, by default it's a bar but you can drag it with the other icons

[atomic monolith]

will outlaw remain having a ton of energy issues at 90? i am currently 85 but spending a good amount of bosses/packs just auto'ing because i am severly energy starved

[vivid vessel]

yes

[dim parrot]

Ight so sleight and KIR 3+

[mighty hare]

is stat priority different with trickster? with fatebound i have been aiming around 25% haste, 30% crit and rest in vers, dont remember exactly where i read it

[dim parrot]

Casual blasting rn but he playing with shitters

[restive pulsar]

Yeah, I started my rogue journey at the end of legion/start of BfA, been playing all 3 specs along the way, but I don't remember swapping specs so much because of tuning during 1 single raid tier 😄

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix so If even if I prefer the 1 SD no prep variation I switch to -1 acrobatic +1 sleight?

[weary fog]

u need acro to get into SD

if ur gonna play SD

[atomic monolith]

oh wow if it stays like this energy wise then im just abandoning my rogue. this feels shit

[vivid vessel]

i mean

it gets better but

[mighty hare]

it gets alot better with more gear, but there is still situations where you are energy starved and just auto attacking

[vivid vessel]

you havbe energy issues

[karmic gust]

once you have good gear and a good rotation it gets pretty rare

[mighty hare]

sitting on raid progress with 1 buff and no energy 😂

[karmic gust]

haven't been energy starved in a while

[vivid vessel]

well thats just a lie idk

[karmic gust]

unless fights are getting really long and i get stage 1 i don't have that much issues

[vivid vessel]

you dont do keys then ?

[karmic gust]

i do

havent been a pb in a while

[vivid vessel]

ok i guess i suck at outlaw

[karmic gust]

i dont get stage 1 that often might be why

[proven ocean]

[mighty hare]

i personally dont feel like i experience energy issues as much in dungeons as in raids, but might be due to key lvl... i have only done around 12-14s so far

[vivid vessel]

so how is the show i told you about !

[gaunt rover]

do we SS or PS if we get 5cp from ace proc (and say have ps proc ready)

[gaunt phoenix]

ss if at 3 opp

ps if at 6 opp

[gaunt rover]

cheers

[mystic berry]

rtb bug and cloud cover bug

amazing

I am getting utterly fucked by the rtb bug, I will just give up and install m33k

[gaunt phoenix]

ye it's so weird

[weary fog]

i feel like its happening more after the patch

doesnt surprise me but its annoying

[near rock]

It def is

[proven ocean]

What show name

[inner yacht]

i have a sound play when rtb expires and it also randomly plays without the buff expiring like 2-3 times a dungeon

[proven ocean]

Forgot

Watched few

[inner yacht]

so many bugs in this spec

[mystic berry]

In the game tbh

poor blizz cant have a beta test for patches

Ptr? thats for the content creators

pay it no mind

[gaunt phoenix]

meh bugs happen in every complex game i care more about the priority of fixing em

[vivid vessel]

for all mankind

[gaunt phoenix]

oh ye

great show

[swift creek]

How is outlaw feeling in raid now ?

[gaunt phoenix]

13% better

[valid hound]

when u guys are simming, by default, ure simming ST build, against 1 patchwerk (5min), right?

[near rock]

Felt like I was pumping out of my mind on crown

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[twilit frost]

For all mankind is banger

[valid hound]

alright

[vivid vessel]

thats cause you stopped bfing in p1

[gaunt phoenix]

for outlaw tbh it hardly matters what you sim

our gear is so fixed

[sullen glen]

wait guys now snd needs to be cast ?

[near rock]

Nah I still bf in p1

[gaunt phoenix]

it is a bit better to hardcast SND in prepull yes

[vivid vessel]

not to pad anymore tho !

diff purpose

[near rock]

Void droplets gotta die still

[vivid vessel]

more damage !

[gaunt phoenix]

zac idk if you knew, but the bte supercharger thing is more important now

its like 2% now

funny

[vivid vessel]

compared to what

pressing bte on cd

or

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[vivid vessel]

ok

[dreamy pecan]

Fellas, I've been reading the stickies and the guides and I'm confused, do I want 20% Haste or 25%?

[vivid vessel]

maybe time to revisit holding bte for adr when apex is ready then

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[dreamy pecan]

I'm a PvP Outlaw if that matters.

[vivid vessel]

cause that just eats your sc so

[gaunt phoenix]

somewhere between it, it's not a fixed number

but 20% would be a bit low

more towards 25

[sullen glen]

wait what, did we always had to SND or in this build it changed ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ultimately you let raidbots figure your haste

No you use to dispatch as the first finisher. but now it's better to snd prepull

[dreamy pecan]

Gotcha, I see, thanks.

[upper sage]

Does that waste the first cloud cover?

[gaunt phoenix]

if i were to sample 1000 outlaws they probably all have 23/24% haste

[dreamy pecan]

Crappy thing is you get a bunch of Haste in Honor gear, but lose it as you go to Conquest gear, so Haste ironically gets more scarse as you get better.

[gaunt phoenix]

waste is a strong word

you lose 1-2 seconds sure

it's worth it tho

[violet raft]

so, what are outlaw bis stats? 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

crit haste

haste falls off after 25

[mystic berry]

Why do we adr and ks pre pull, if the ks buff will most likely disappear right as the first pull starts?

pre key

[upper sage]

Cloud cover only works with mobs in it right? Like the mobs have to stay in the smoke?

[gaunt phoenix]

the ks thing does not expire

the unseen blades

they last forever

[mystic berry]

Hmm

I should try reading more

[gaunt phoenix]

no, you have to touch the smoke

then you get a buff for 10s that makes your fazed stronger

[karmic gust]

just tried the rotation in aoe doesn't feel as bad as i thought it would

[obsidian light]

does the raidbots topgear take into consideration that a myth piece will be converted to set bonus?

[upper sage]

Oh ok. So the mobs don't have to stay in it? The text was confusing me a little last night

[gaunt phoenix]

no, but you can click the + to generate a catalyzed version into your bags

[obsidian light]

okay, thanks !

[blissful idol]

can we roll sockets and tertiarys from bonus roll?

[gaunt phoenix]

probably

[unique fulcrum]

anyway to track cloud time?

[gaunt phoenix]

make a m33kaura that creates 10s icon on AR cast

or just watch AR duration

[twilit frost]

So if I'm a degenerate min max gambler, I'd roll every time on 1R and only extend 3R+ with KiR according to sims? And that would on 50000 pulls give me a slightly higher result.

[gaunt phoenix]

5s left on AR - cloud expired

yes

[unique fulcrum]

my m33kauras exploded last dungeon, and i cant update it with wowup and now wondering if it will happen again

[west quartz]

am i trippin or did they stealth nerf outlaw in the last couple

[fossil sable]

Do you use blade flurry in 3+ targets if you are already max CP and it's off CD but active? cant decide

[gaunt phoenix]

max CP? no

[fossil sable]

Gotcha ty

[gaunt phoenix]

you would build with it tho

[fossil sable]

Yea makes sense, I just couldn't decide if it was worth it to overcap sot hat the finisher would go towards the cdr

Tyvm

[gaunt phoenix]

i getcha

[hybrid flax]

So you would always just finisher at full CP and then BF in like a big pack , not BF into the finisher

[karmic gust]

is it reliable to track fazed that way ? It's listed as a buff in the cdm, you have to keep track which target is affected by it tho

[gaunt phoenix]

if BF is already active yea

[karmic gust]

alright i'll keep it like that then ty

[gaunt phoenix]

i meant above you

Idk i dont track fazed

[obsidian light]

so the general idea is to finish at 6+ CP now right?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[karmic gust]

oh yeah as a debuff on targets

[vivid vessel]

btw im not saying you should do it

but

cloud is invisible

[upper sage]

If only ace gave 6 cp 🙁

[vivid vessel]

if you disable particles

[obsidian light]

hmm where do we fit in KS then? i assume below BTE and BR?

[vivid vessel]

[twilit frost]

How big is the difference between gambling and not gambling with KiR? Are we talking a large variance let's say 5% minmax and is it a 1% dps increas or increasing variance by 10% and a 0,1% increase in dps.

[twilit frost]

This is some good tech

[vivid vessel]

idk if it is

[mystic berry]

I killed my friend on npx

[karmic gust]

low might be better than disabled for other spells no ?

[gaunt phoenix]

lower priority than BTE and prep bte, higher than dispatch

[mystic berry]

with the fart

[vivid vessel]

im pretty sure particle do something on some fights

idk what tho

[unique fulcrum]

zac, you have leech enchanted, avoidance not good?

[jagged plover]

was tinkering with zacs wa and this is now permanently active

wtf did i do

[vivid vessel]

i think sometimes you cant see fire and shit

[twilit frost]

I wanna see a document like the spellrefelct one for warriors for when you can and can't disable the particles

[vivid vessel]

its kinda cancer

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf is that

[jagged plover]

idk man

[karmic gust]

just put it on low and enable colorblind mode

[mystic berry]

The frontal from the lothraxion copies in npx

[native tinsel]

tompelvis strikes again

[mystic berry]

is the same color as the fart

[jagged plover]

i deleted the only thing i tried adding

and it's still there

[vivid vessel]

what does colorblind mode do

[jagged plover]

[karmic gust]

changes color of most stuff on the screen, some spells on the ground i really struggle to see

i only do it for some dungeons because it changes colors of the whole game

but it's a m+ i don't care that much for 30 min

like rain of toads on grass

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR at 3 only - default
KIR at 2 every time - 1.1% loss
KIR at 2 only if your next roll wont have loaded dice - < 0.5% loss
variance - idk

[karmic gust]

sometimes i don't see it it's green on green

[upper sage]

Wonder if we won't get picked for keys because of the smoke lol

[weary fog]

fuck rain of toads lol

and that weird green skybox if ur top downing

sometimes

[gilded sinew]

guys i need an addon advice, is there any tool that can auto roll on items in raid ? i was using a weak aura before https://wago.io/PjhLVoo3b

[twilit frost]

Much appreciated! Love the work

[past sphinx]

ah shadow unit frames experience

[inland cairn]

mine seems to be fine after i updated

[river maple]

Do we cancel ks early when full cp?

[violet raft]

when full energy from what iread @river maple

[river maple]

Thanks

[karmic gust]

had to ditch bartender4 personally it was creating a shit ton of errors because of the cdm i have to use dominos now

70k errors over the span of a key iirc

insane

[potent latch]

if you dont do alleria myth, wouldn't you just use ascendant on crafted mh?

[gaunt palm]

Does fazed work for trinket dmg? In order words, do I wait for 3x fazed before using Ranger trinket?

[karmic gust]

do you still use AR / SND before key is inserted or just before pulling the group ?

[weary fog]

AR before key is put in, SND before bubble drops

[river maple]

When do u press BF on pull?

[karmic gust]

when max targets so max cp ?

[jagged plover]

those devourer "bug fixes" looking very unimpactful

[karmic gust]

wtf

[hybrid flax]

this late into the season if craftin for a new rogue, taking coins and stuff into consideration, what would be the best crafts to go for , assuming im 0 gear atm on this new roguer man

[viscid scaffold]

does anyone have the sim string for all the flasks to sim

[vivid vessel]

oh is outlaw not even topping ?:

bro

we are fiiine

[weary fog]

u can just do it in normally in raidbots now

[jagged plover]

top 3 on 2nd/3rd boss so who cares

surely no one cares

and we get to live in peace

[vivid vessel]

ok lol

[strong halo]

Is the ilvl thing this week or in 4 weeks?

[vivid vessel]

i just looked at eveyr boss

its not even looking that good

is it bugged

i swear it should have moved up more

[viscid scaffold]

u can? how

lol nvm im a blind mf

[lean root]

so if i end up on 5 cps i do one more SS or use dispatch?

[placid ocean]

When does season end?

[weary fog]

u can send ks at 5

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix outlaw on voracius boss damage is exactly 13% ahead of last week lol

[gaunt phoenix]

[weary fog]

build to 6 if ur dispatching

[strong halo]

So you can’t upgrade weapon to giga ilvl this week?

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[fossil sable]

Does that mean build to 7 for BTE ?

[gaunt phoenix]

bte at 6

[weary fog]

6

[hybrid flax]

Not sure really, but considering most ppl went wep first before coins etc, was wondering if its worth greeding and not crafting wep, but also the upgrade system is in 4 weeks

[tender breach]

still dispatching at 5+CP is still <1% loss right?

[turbid robin]

If anyone got sword and not want it tell me i wanna play outlaw

[rocky gulch]

is the strat if we cant get myth alleria wep, to just craft a MH and upgrade it? or is there a comperable/OK mythic+ wep to aim for in the MH?

[shadow trellis]

My cleave spec still does not cleave 😔

[quiet root]

does fazed stuff work differently now than in tww? like we don't need to track the 4 stacks for coup?

haven't looked at trickster this expansion at all and im clueless

[void zephyr]

should just happen as part of your rotation

[narrow pasture]

saladar wep is quite well-statted as an alternative

[languid sun]

Is main gauche damage affected by the weapon damage? I see a dagger in the bis list for offhand and was wondering why

[narrow pasture]

you can bonus roll that if youre down bad for a wep

[gaunt phoenix]

dagger is more Zero In procs

[rocky gulch]

bet. didnt know if thats better, or just crafting a myth wep in crit/haste

[narrow pasture]

if you already have a 285+ wep, you will save a ton of crests

[mystic berry]

lmao

[quiet root]

alright, it's just that we used to have quite the complicated tracker to optimally play around things like the +2 from KS and stuff

[flat needle]

Do we still play without ambush?

[narrow pasture]

yes

stealth is just a movespeed buff

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix in the pins u say we remove acrobatic strikes for sleight. In the no Preparation variation u propose to give the prep point to 1 stage SD. But with no acrobatic strikes nod we cant do that. So for the "no prep variation" we go 1 acrobatic, 1 sleight?

[gaunt phoenix]

sleight is better than 1 SD

[tender breach]

yeap so 1 acrobatic + 1sleight?