outlaw

[vivid vessel]

they are illegal

that trinket is cooked hto

dont play it

[frozen steeple]

Vessel is illegal simbait

[blissful idol]

How’s na beta test so far guys

[echo tapir]

yeah i feel bad for others the cloud is super visible for my buddies lol

literally griefing the squad

[frank finch]

a guildy just said he got the same item twice with bonus roll

[cinder relic]

Like, from the bonus roll?

[opaque zenith]

Ouch

[cinder relic]

Or did he already have it from vault or smthing

[frank finch]

yeah

[echo tapir]

feel like your buddy is what the kids call capping

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

cant be me

[final pagoda]

so:

(1) Before key: AR + prepot 1sec before start

• key starts
  (2) In the bubble: KS + SnD at max CP + BF as late as possible
  (3) Walking towards the pack: RTB
  (4) When pack is not moving anymore: AR + BR + BtE ... ?

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-incredible-uncanny-gassy-gas-this-page-needs-a-hero-gif-15134328584969287517

[slim hare]

could we get a copy pasta of absolute degen min max prekey fuckery you might be doing ?

[vivid vessel]

ye a blizzard thing would never be bugged

[echo tapir]

oh i know xD

[frozen steeple]

idek what to use my rolls on rn

decision paralysis is crazy

[frank finch]

the warning has been shared

[cinder relic]

Pit of saron, or mythic raid (if you can do beloren/alleria/lura)

imo

Or chimerus

[vivid vessel]

adr > ks prekey make sure you fill cp before key is inserted

bf at 3s > snd at 2

ss ss ks first pack while tank gather > then start rotation whenever ready

[slim hare]

with perma tricks you could start hitting beetween 3 and 4 but yes

[final pagoda]

isnt a risk to drop cloud far away if tank is gigapulling?

[vivid vessel]

rtb before pack

i forgot

[slim hare]

adr > ks prekey make sure you fill cp before key is inserted

bf at 3s > snd at 2

rtb ss ss ks first pack while tank gather > then start rotation whenever ready

[proven ocean]

why are u responding to urself

[slim hare]

from the man himself

[vivid vessel]

swear i just said that

[elder sonnet]

pit of saron gonna be my new home

[proven ocean]

[final pagoda]

can we create a !prekeyfuckery for this?

[proven ocean]

is there 2 zac's now

[vivid vessel]

no

[frozen steeple]

[vivid vessel]

its litteraly in the preeky thoing no

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[proven ocean]

thoing

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[halcyon quiver]

Wait what does reolling on raid drop you 3/6 myth?

[proven ocean]

[frozen steeple]

only 1 of these pit items looks good for me imo

[vivid vessel]

basically

[slim hare]

prekey not complete

[keen belfry]

zac how do i add custom sound to sharedmedia i forgot

[vivid vessel]

you cant bf iun bubble in every key

[keen belfry]

i wanna add fart

[vivid vessel]

its fine

[proven ocean]

zac can u type everything in one sentence

for once

or

[vivid vessel]

add it then press the .bat

add it in mymedia

[slim hare]

have you check pin in general ?

though it would be bad to do rn

[vagrant kettle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ok-nice-grafic

[gaunt phoenix]

a little more than 21, doubt it would cross 25 for very much though

[slim hare]

didnt saw the date probably fix now right ?

[final pagoda]

is it be possible in midnight to do a WA that shows defensive icons based on a casting happening in your pull? (using data from here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTTQYfxWGfFIObF6KDnmU22xBG3N53gT5CnIof04jJNYb7VjOV6hHyczolUg-F5joUerqVu9ysk7z_e/pubhtml#gid=0

idk if WA nameplates check is still a thing

[vivid vessel]

yes it would be possible

can just make reminders tho

with timeline reminder addon

on bosses

[vagrant kettle]

guys , the new build trickster, have KS and PREP right?

[vivid vessel]

not trash

not possible on trash

[final pagoda]

yep I was confused on how timeline on m+ trashes

[slim hare]

yes

[vivid vessel]

ye you cant on trash

[vagrant kettle]

ty

[final pagoda]

this is more for packs that cast and I am not sure if I should cloak/feint/evasion

and end up casting all three of them to be safe

[proven ocean]

zac

ur a baguette

and i love baguettes

thoughts

?

[haughty moat]

gay

[proven ocean]

???

no

[opaque zenith]

Bonbons?

[proven ocean]

wait that does sound gay

fuck

[final pagoda]

pin

[slim hare]

do u know what shape a baguette is ?

[proven ocean]

idk

rectangle?

[keen belfry]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/myFuhn4j0E0HtS6R5?invite=cr-MSxnQ1AsNDU1MDEwMw&v=9

thoughts guys

[final pagoda]

perfect

[slim hare]

then yeah i def sound gay

[rocky gulch]

brief rundown on what outlaw rotation looks like?

[hollow minnow]

So do we go trickster now for both m+ and raid?

[cinder relic]

yes

[cinder relic]

Press buttons

[proven ocean]

wtf

[haughty moat]

i need that!

[proven ocean]

fart sound on cloud smoke

banger

[thick vigil]

er,,

[final pagoda]

now just make a sharable version so everyone that has the WA will hear fart sound if a rogue casts fartcloud

[slim hare]

wtf is that? you can play with that ?

[tepid sorrel]

is there any best ways to use bonusrolls for outlaw? are there any discussion for this already, sry new here

[slim hare]

depend on what you have rn

raid trinket is solid or pit prison is what most people are looking at

[opaque zenith]

Good question should I bonus roll for alnseer heroic if I don’t mythic raid?

[tepid sorrel]

my trinkets are dogshit which means i shoudl roll on raid? or chase the myth track pieces from m+

[vagrant kettle]

On which item should I spend item 298? 🙁

weapon myt?

[slim hare]

i would target myth piece always preferably trinket but maybe its not worth

[slim hare]

i would target pit first but mileage may vary

[cinder relic]

wowhead bis page has a section for every spec "how to spend bonus rolls"

Just as a general heuristic

[tepid sorrel]

ah sick tnx bro

[slim hare]

guy

[elder sonnet]

how's the farting been so far boys?

[jagged plover]

that's my multispec freakazoid guidewriter

[slim hare]

maybe a pin on how to sim the bonus roll ?

[manic quartz]

u have 4 weeks to decide

[foggy cove]

not enough.

[opaque zenith]

If I ace proc. At 5 do I SS or send PS?

[wintry solar]

Do we know how much sleight increases roll chances yet?

[slim hare]

if 6 stack ps you ps else you ss

[slim hare]

check tc outlaw channel pin

[proven ocean]

react kekw if zac is a sub rogue in disguise

[ripe epoch]

Wuddup, are we using killing spree now?

[wicked kestrel]

How we feeling gang?

[merry harness]

!addons

[outer meteor]

ig pos is the best key to send bonus roll

[slim hare]

why have you change suit like that ?
from cocaine addict min maxer to zac personnal clown
damn the gap is wide

[wintry solar]

I'd rather you lie and say no than you say go check some pins in a far away land

[near rock]

lost my crafted wep to a bug right before raid

smh

[proven ocean]

why have you change suit like that ?
from cocaine addict min maxer to zac personnal clown
damn the gap is wide

[slim hare]

no

[vivid vessel]

what happened

[cinder relic]

recrafting just poofs items rn

[vivid vessel]

nice

[slim hare]

recraft bug still in game ?

[quaint wharf]

wait what

[vivid vessel]

so glad im not na !

ty na !

[cinder relic]

its a new one

[slim hare]

hahaha

[proven ocean]

na is for noobs

[vivid vessel]

new one every week

[slim hare]

nice ty na

[jagged plover]

ptr2.0

[final pagoda]

na are betatesters

[proven ocean]

np

[bright crane]

AH broken yeah?

[slim hare]

patchday broke everything rn

[gaunt phoenix]

nice pull

[elder sonnet]

yeesh

[buoyant cosmos]

Offical bug testers NA

[wintry gate]

is wangbar borked?

[buoyant cosmos]

Are we okay to sim stuff as trickster w/ raid bots?

[mossy compass]

Anyone else experiencing delve bosses despawning if you open with AR w/ Cloud Cover?

[buoyant cosmos]

Sounds like a vanish reset

[slim hare]

send video

[keen belfry]

did it bork

[wintry solar]

Are you opening with cheap?

[near rock]

tried to recraft it to change embellish

and it bugged and said crafter order failed

[mossy compass]

I'll see if I can get a video, but no AR into blade rush and it's just despawning. Keeps my combo points and resets all my CDs

[near rock]

and is just locked there

unlucky

[mossy compass]

Only other thing I can think is that I'm perma tricked to Vallera

[slim hare]

pliz do so we can witness new fart costing 30 energy + vanish reseting buggy mess

[hoary hornet]

Heyo, sorry if this has been asked a million times - I am trying to create a thread here for a log review but don't have the option to. Am I missing something?

[wintry gate]

it was throwing errors earlier yeah

[slim hare]

unlucky no compensation you have no weapon anymore

[wintry gate]

crafting is completely fucked atm

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel

[near rock]

have a backup thankfullky

but playing 1 embellish

[tepid sorrel]

what is more dmg, supercharged bte or coup de grace?

[near rock]

kek

[gaunt phoenix]

bte

[tepid sorrel]

kk

[wintry gate]

rip

[gaunt phoenix]

by a country mile

[tepid sorrel]

tnx

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly

[near rock]

thats what it says

[tepid sorrel]

supercharged killing spree?

[wintry gate]

rip

try relogging

a few times

[near rock]

I did trust me

its just bugged until blizzard fixes

[wintry gate]

:/

[jolly geyser]

Dagger stuck in purgatory

[proven ocean]

Zac

Did u ever try microwaving donuts

[vivid vessel]

nope

[tiny onyx]

Using KS is so weird, do you guys send it when BtE, blade rush and basically everything is on CD? Do you charge it to 5cp or 7cp and then use it?

[tiny onyx]

cinnamon rolls

[proven ocean]

Thats not as bad

Zac microwaves steak and pasta

[fair ice]

theres an outlaw in my friends +10

hes doing 40k overall

[wintry gate]

he might be playing single target build

i've done that xD

[fathom bramble]

normal sub reroller behavior ig

[fair ice]

this guy saw the buffs and swapped

[spiral trench]

groups are not loving the new bomb lol

[fair ice]

classic

[wintry gate]

not surprising, i'm about to grief raid

[cinder relic]

Oh fuck guys I cant play sub my dagger is stuck crafting!

[harsh forge]

is there a reason the single target trickster build has deft talented?

[wintry solar]

Oh noooo what a predicament....

[harsh forge]

just bc the other option is the weird cdr thing?

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic im watching shinding stream rn, how come you arent outlaw

is it a diesplay bug

i see sub

[craggy barn]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[near rock]

Im dying

but actually

[wintry gate]

just buy a blue offhand off ah and max it

ez

[wintry solar]

"we just got it today" like a child on the playground showing off his new toy and the other kids are jealous lolol

They want it soooo bad

[wintry gate]

we need a new pistolgate

[spiral trench]

they def are just jealous

[static geyser]

Is the AH F'd up? Keeps saying "Item no longer found"

[near rock]

crafting and AH are rly buggy rn

[rotund cloud]

failed to cancel my crafting order and they can't craft it, rip my dagger i guess

[tiny onyx]

is our blind aoe now?

[wintry gate]

yeah

again*

u need airborn iritant talented

[vivid vessel]

i feel like

gouge + 2 min blind

[glass mortar]

it should be a 30s cd max

[vivid vessel]

is better than 1 min aoe blind

[glass mortar]

ngl

[vivid vessel]

feel like a 1 min aoe blind

is like

[glass mortar]

its so funny we had like 27s aoe blind for a week

[vivid vessel]

idk

[glass mortar]

and it was so reasonable

[vivid vessel]

imma play gouge instead

[glass mortar]

didnt make rogue op at all

[vivid vessel]

i think

[glass mortar]

but u didnt feel like useless dog on big caster pulls

then we had to fight just to get 1m cd aoe blind back

lucky us ig

[vivid vessel]

Imma play no AOE blind so I can keep complaining outlaw has no m+ utility

[glass mortar]

classes will legit have like 2-3 aoe stops all with 45s-1m cds

[lavish shoal]

is it atleast

[light kernel]

but but u can vanish cheap shot kekw

[glass mortar]

but nah the 1 aoe stop we had

[lavish shoal]

is it at least all targets

[glass mortar]

rogue is so close to being super broken in m+ they gotta keep us limited

[vivid vessel]

It's not target capped

[lavish shoal]

old aoe blind was capped

[vivid vessel]

AOE blind

No

It wasn't

It was on beta for like

Idk if it was even implemented

[lavish shoal]

there was an iteration i played where it was 5 or 8 targets

[wintry gate]

definitely not capped before

[lavish shoal]

i think it was dragonfllight or something

[vivid vessel]

Back when it was capped

[lavish shoal]

i didnt play tww

rogue

[vivid vessel]

Nah

The tooltip on beta before the spells were implemented was target capped

[frail veldt]

It's 1 min aoe blind vs 2 min St blind and 30s cd gouge

[vivid vessel]

Because it was outlaw spell only

And sub had AOE Kinsey

Kidney

But that never went further than beta

[frail veldt]

Feels like blind has got to be better

[vivid vessel]

Why

I feel like having gouge is better idk

Not sure

[wintry solar]

I like gouge better

[frail veldt]

Blind is a short gcd too right

0.5s?

[vivid vessel]

ye i think so

[frail veldt]

I'm gonna go blind

Fr fr

[vivid vessel]

honeslty

[wintry gate]

imagine if BTE stuned again

[vivid vessel]

i wish the other choice

[wintry gate]

D:

[vivid vessel]

was like

[frail veldt]

Guess it also depends what drs your group has

[vivid vessel]

20s blind + 20s gouge

[frail veldt]

Ye fr

[vivid vessel]

np cp cost kidney talent

holy hell

[wintry gate]

blackjack is worth taking again i guess

[real yew]

excess energy is not CP, right?

[wintry gate]

excess?

[vivid vessel]

ye no tricks outlaw

[vivid vessel]

basically the same

you get to max energy at 7cp anyway

[real yew]

So if I reach 7 cp I should cancel too, right?

[vivid vessel]

it will line up so that inside adr you can kinda insta cancel usually

and out of adr

you basically cancel at max cp

or whatever

[native tinsel]

of course we have a bug

[real yew]

Ty Zac

[vivid vessel]

becasue your energy will be almost full

[native tinsel]

why would it be different

[vivid vessel]

its crazy that the actual utility talent we have in our tree

blind dr

we cant take

its legit the only actual talent in the tree

[wintry gate]

hey you get improved poisons

[vivid vessel]

and they had to make it compete with tricks

[wintry gate]

just drink the cup and don't complain

[vivid vessel]

true

my bad

[glass mortar]

r we still asking for rogue utility for keys in the year 2026 honestly at some point we should just give it up

its just not allowed

[vivid vessel]

imagine you could take that talent tho

[gaunt phoenix]

can u tricks and swap it

[wintry solar]

ST CC meta when?

[vivid vessel]

would be so goated

[vivid vessel]

you could for a while

then they fixed it

:D

[wintry gate]

is it still buged? o

[vivid vessel]

me when outlaw abuse bugs

[wintry gate]

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

i need this again

thought my hands would fall off after that night in raid rofl

[mystic berry]

ayjie is broken?

cant open the menu

[vivid vessel]

not if you are eu

[livid smelt]

sooo hows everyone feeling today? we angry or happy

[vivid vessel]

imagine being na

by the time i wake up all addons are fixed

goated region

[wintry solar]

Happy and Neutral depending

[wintry gate]

i'm running 99% default atm

im not happy about raiding like this

[vivid vessel]

degenerate

[wintry solar]

Must be nice

[wintry gate]

my only addon that dind't explode was bartender, which is just cockroach status at this point

[vivid vessel]

its just

blizzard changed something for when addons create their font

which breaks basically every addon in the game

but it will get fixed fast

[mystic berry]

I cant change ayjie and now I am stuck with the last options I configured lmao

[vivid vessel]

you just need your addon dev to wake up

[wintry gate]

cus details died again

probably better off playing with it off tbh

[frail veldt]

Mine all work cuz I use arc ui

Most stable cdm

Nocap

[wintry gate]

is it more stable than default?

[frail veldt]

Yes

[wintry gate]

damn

[frail veldt]

(untested)

[livid smelt]

what are we sacing for 2/2 ace up your sleeve? im guessing sleight of hand?

[mystic berry]

made it to work

[frail veldt]

SD

Oh wait sleight yeah

You can still get sleight

By dropping acro

Talents are shuffleable rn

[livid smelt]

we drop acro? that cannot be right im assuming?

[raw plinth]

Question. When we get bonus rolls, are we rolling for a main hand? I only really do M+ and i feel most dont have great stats for outlaw lol

[frail veldt]

SD interchanges with prep/KS

[livid smelt]

i feel like our auto attack does so much damage though

[frail veldt]

It's a 0.3% loss over no sleight

But lower rng

So

Can be worth for key pushers

Who would wipe if you low roll a boss

Consistency has value

[static geyser]

Do you guys like using the Tracked Bars on CDM? Or just use Tracked Buffs? looking for a clear way to keep track of Blade Flurry and RtB

[wintry gate]

that's my setup right now with default

shows blade flurry too

[gaunt phoenix]

im doing infinite dmg

[wintry gate]

i wish i could change the bar colors like i had with weakauras but my eyes are getting used to it

[vagrant kettle]

how u track the coup of grace or not is necessary? (im new)

[static geyser]

I like that, just below your CDM

[wintry gate]

i dont track it

well, i see it on my action bars normally

[gaunt phoenix]

dont track coup

[vagrant kettle]

we can still send dispatch with 5 combos out of cd?

[vivid vessel]

dont say that !

[vagrant kettle]

ty

[harsh forge]

Cant wait to fart all over my raid team for the rest of the season with the talent

[gaunt phoenix]

you dispatch at 6

[wintry gate]

you got o 6 as trickster now

[glass mortar]

yes u do overcap alot

it feels wrong

its optimal tho

[vagrant kettle]

oh nice so that is a things of fatebound

[glass mortar]

[vagrant kettle]

ty

[vivid vessel]

you say "i seem to be doing appropriate damage to compensate my spec very apparents and multiple weaknesses"

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[wintry gate]

i think crafting is fixed

according to guildies

[plucky badger]

Man I do way to much dmg as outlaw like way to much way more than sub good thing sub isn’t getting buffed soon am I right fellow outlaw players? 👀

[slim hare]

again you dont say that

[wide coral]

do we still suck on vanguard?

[vivid vessel]

sub was only good the last 20 tiers after all

[slim hare]

listen to zac

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

cant have it be not the best spec one for one raid !

[glass mortar]

sub can have a lil buff as a treat

[plucky badger]

I just started playing it man bring it back

[glass mortar]

for compensation

[vivid vessel]

it just got buffed

[glass mortar]

bump their fart cloud up to 6% gain

[slim hare]

yes rogue still suck on vanguard

[slim hare]

we need proximity chat in wow

[plucky badger]

What got buffed?

[slim hare]

so we can fart in people ears

[wide coral]

got 140k today on heroic but thats way higher than what I had before buffs

[vivid vessel]

the subtlety spec

[wide coral]

which was like 110k before buffs

[slim hare]

thats going into okay territory maybe

[elder sonnet]

do you get bonus damage if you fart irl when you drop the fart cloud in game?

[slim hare]

ofc

[plucky badger]

The 6% to the 13%?

[vivid vessel]

sub got buffed

[plucky badger]

lol

[vivid vessel]

but your issue is that outlaw got more ?

[static geyser]

Hey Zac do you have a link to your UI set up for inspiration?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw isnt even played in raid on any boss rn

tf you want

you can just play sub

its better than last week

omegalul

[uncut ginkgo]

outlaw so gross now

[slim hare]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-spyZPGZ4y5diilAnap5nEybU7fWY5nFUNala5rjQ7bPxLKQLWRCVLdmFImcX4_WvvTKE3sKz3Q2g/pub

[elder sonnet]

sub is still better for most boss fight tbh

[glass mortar]

zac

theres no way something in this isnt getting bonked...

15% dr from the guy at like 60% uptime...

they cant let us have this

[slim hare]

ffs

legit stfu

[vivid vessel]

thats what you are worried about ?

[glass mortar]

its so good...

[real yew]

Boys, 5cp and 6 stcks from opportunity. I send PS, right?

[vivid vessel]

its not even that good lol

[glass mortar]

im not getting aad to death anymore zac.....

[slim hare]

we suck in every area of the game for so long

[rocky kiln]

is there any reason to track BtE stacks and palmed bullets?

[glass mortar]

palmed bullets yes

[slim hare]

stop playing victim nerf just because we are decent finally

[vivid vessel]

i dont think you realize how squishy outlaw is compared to stuffs like dk and devourer rn

[glass mortar]

bte stacks not really

[glass mortar]

i absolutely do

[slim hare]

have you tried playing fotm spec?

[glass mortar]

i feel like paper on every fight where im not spending half my energy feinting

its crazy compared to last expac

[livid smelt]

is trickster the spec now ? or is it still fatebound?

[glass mortar]

like being taken out back ngl

[uncut ginkgo]

tricks

[glass mortar]

but they did that to us and they must have known they did it

[rocky kiln]

what is it useful for

[glass mortar]

the reset from gravedigger doesnt happen until the projectile hits

that can be delayed on bosses with silly hitboxes

like the big deathclaw guy

very delayed, like to the end of the gcd

[elder sonnet]

trickster helped with the squishiness abit no?

[glass mortar]

if ur not tracking it u wont know ur about to get a proc and misqueue a spell sometimes

[rocky kiln]

gotcha

[dull lintel]

is 600+ mastery way to much even try outlaw right now

[glass mortar]

hes the only one with notable delay in this raid but obviously whenever ur not in melee and u bte it will also be delayed

so just useful thing to track in general

[slim hare]

no; depends on your haste mostly

!haste

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[mystic berry]

okay so I've been practicing the new prio, after the opener, the prio is bte > ks > dispatch for finishers right?

[gaunt phoenix]

i am doing

infinite dmg

[vivid vessel]

reformulate please

[gaunt phoenix]

i seem to be doing appropriate damage to compensate my spec very apparents and multiple weaknesses

[vivid vessel]

i see

[slim hare]

streaming?

[vivid vessel]

seems about right to me

[slim hare]

so we are finally balanced remotly correctly for once?

[fallen oar]

So wait, why is outlaw dipping in and out of the cloud?

[gaunt phoenix]

normally you just sit there in the cloud

but IF you HAVE to move

then you can move

[slim hare]

not supposed to; just be sure to be in when cloud fade

[fallen oar]

THAT makes more sense

[gaunt phoenix]

but ideally you dip into the cloud before it ends

[fallen oar]

I was reading just cursorily earlier and once I read the talent I was like "...what?"

I thought people knew something I didn't lol

[frank finch]

you waiting a little to pop 2nd ar after prep?

[gaunt phoenix]

funny my last vorsaius parse, accounting for ilvl, was 13% lower

[haughty moat]

son on much adr timer left to dip in last?

[limber rock]

Does anyone have the new build?

[frank finch]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[vivid vessel]

5

how long is adr

15 right

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[frank finch]

the sim is keeping me at 17.65% haste doesnt want anymore

[haughty moat]

kk

wasnt sure^^

[gaunt phoenix]

that cant be right

link it

[frank finch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sysapkJ18SM7crMKmASM2a

[formal thunder]

what, you just stand around for 30s while you wait for your energy to refill?

[gaunt phoenix]

this is just a quick sim

[frank finch]

sec

[vivid vessel]

black

your gear is so bad !

[clear tulip]

gweebdon

[haughty moat]

!

[frank finch]

i went sub

[haughty moat]

eww

[vivid vessel]

im puking rn !

i mena

how do you know

it doesnt want more haste

[frank finch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8rpqTU7qJmcbPPyuEFepHz

[vivid vessel]

you litteraly have nothing to swap to

[frank finch]

cuz

[vivid vessel]

in your gear

[frank finch]

i also sim with haste flask

[gaunt phoenix]

it is right it seems

[thorny crest]

are you popping ks as the opening finisher or waiting till AR drops and starting with bte?

[haughty moat]

with haste trinket LUL

[frank finch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hcRipPniqqWqMRoFrwarx8

with haste flask its lower

[gaunt phoenix]

NEEDED haste is not 21-23% it seems, when your crit is low, it wants crit more at some lower amount of haste

[vivid vessel]

you can top gear flasks now bt

[frank finch]

oh really shit

[vivid vessel]

you just have garbage ilvl

is what it is

more you get

more you will be able to increase haste along crit

[mystic berry]

Idk tbh, because AR already applies fazed, using ks during AR sounds very wrong, so I wait till AR drops atleast

[vivid vessel]

early ilvl is just a bit awkard

cause sim value crit so much

[slim hare]

how?

[vivid vessel]

by clicking on the button cuh

[thorny crest]

that's what I was thinking tbh

[gaunt phoenix]

zac

[candid abyss]

its at the bottomish of the sim

[rocky gulch]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[vivid vessel]

loso

[gaunt phoenix]

my dmg is illegal

[vivid vessel]

nono

reformulate

[short briar]

anyone know the best dungeon to reroll loot at?

[gaunt phoenix]

my dmg is legal, yet pleasantly surprising

[vivid vessel]

!

[wintry gate]

default ui has errors

[gaunt phoenix]

pit of saron

[vivid vessel]

nice !

happy for you solo

[wintry gate]

holy fuck unplayable

[lucid sparrow]

nice solo

i like that

[vivid vessel]

show me overall solo

loso !

[slim hare]

ha just supposed to click the flask i guess ok

[gaunt phoenix]

im in raid

[short briar]

only that or should i also try to reroll crit vers at nexus

idr which

[vivid vessel]

oh raid

ye

in raid outlaw prolly does a lot haha

i think its more reasonable in keys

[lucid sparrow]

wdym

is our st insane?

[mental lantern]

I haven't had a chance to play. Is outlaw doing crazy numbers now?

[lucid sparrow]

i mean

is our st pleasantly surprising?

[wide coral]

progging viable on outlaw

[slim hare]

its not crazy

[vivid vessel]

i mean keys is different

[slim hare]

its almost good enough

[vivid vessel]

tuning is way worse in keys

in raid everything is somewhat close

in keys you will have devoureur doing legit 2x your damage

and its all fine

tuning in keys is always a mess

[slim hare]

sure melee and range seem close enough lol

[random stirrup]

does crafting work yet

[slim hare]

3 melee prog

"close enough "

hahaha

[static geyser]

How can I move my Utility CDs via Ayije CDM? It only lets me move it up and down but not side to side

[slim hare]

bench warmer tier but tuning is worse in key; its just equally fucked

[mystic berry]

Yeah I've been getting energy issues on dummies so far, will try on keys soon

very minor tho

usually can bridge with a br or adr

[cold geyser]

Trickster feels much less smooth

But, probably me needing to readjust

[mystic berry]

but I gotta say, ace is proccing more than I thought

[lucid sparrow]

@vivid vessel wanna bet

devourer and uh will go untouched

[candid abyss]

more bte procs feels nice

[lucid sparrow]

but outlaw will get an aura nerf

[elder sonnet]

@cold geyser wdym bro justfart

[vivid vessel]

nah no way

[cold geyser]

Lol

[lucid sparrow]

the intelligence behind the balancing is kinda heading that way zac

[frail veldt]

Devourer is the new spec

[lucid sparrow]

the iq is not there

[frail veldt]

It has to stay good

It's the rule

[elder sonnet]

new shiny toy

[slim hare]

10 aura nerf and it would still be good wdym

[cinder relic]

GUYS WE HAVE TO GET NERFED

OTHERWISE HOW WILL I COMPLAIN

[elder sonnet]

we'll have no purpose anymore

[lucid sparrow]

now press post guy

[spiral trench]

what is stage 3 refering to when playing KIR?

[candid abyss]

3

[slim hare]

be like sub or mage player : its never enough; design issue; invent problem i guess

[timid shoal]

its the 3 die icon. in tooltip its 3 sets or better

[mystic berry]

prep is still on the gcd

[spiral trench]

dalaran my goat you may need to help me with outlaw i have never touched this spec out of pure hatred

[mystic berry]

I still have reason to complain

[livid smelt]

what does the m+ trickster build look like now?

[gaunt phoenix]

i pinned it and put it in faq'

[lusty mirage]

^

[livid smelt]

oh k il check it out thanks

[lucid sparrow]

assa ppl coming to outlaw

[native tinsel]

solo have you raided yet

[lucid sparrow]

what a day

[frail veldt]

Why is guy talking in all caps so much now that we got buffed

[native tinsel]

How is it feeling?

[fossil lintel]

uh

i just had a wipe in pit

[vivid vessel]

he is a hater

[spiral trench]

it is a very sad day

[vivid vessel]

he is playing sub in raid rn

[fossil lintel]

where the mobs went

[vivid vessel]

im not even capping mewo

playing sub on lura

[fossil lintel]

all the way to the entrance

[lucid sparrow]

im sure assa will get a buff

[frank finch]

#outlaw message

[copper radish]

yall having fun as trickster yet

[vivid vessel]

he is just a hater thats all

[spiral trench]

even if they buff it its just riddled with bugs as always

[slim hare]

Otsdarvaa doing respectable dmg on vaelgor actually

[random stirrup]

i will do it this week too i think got too much loot i cant save crests for outlaw weapon

[vivid vessel]

ouytlaw needs another buff !

[haughty moat]

oh

[slim hare]

ty for noticing zac

[vivid vessel]

he has a mythic weapon in bag

[random stirrup]

surely not at 289

[slim hare]

but like he is appearing in dmg meter

not dooming anymore its getting there

[sonic gust]

Should I craft dagger and bracers, then get myth helm from vault? Or what would yall do in this situation. Too hard to sim (too lazy)

[vivid vessel]

he has a 285 off hand

[gaunt phoenix]

this gaze trinket

is kind of rng

[vivid vessel]

he can upgrade

[gaunt phoenix]

if the procs overlap

it is extra good

[vivid vessel]

worse thing it cost him 20 crest

or is it 15

[near rock]

crazy posting only when I die

[vivid vessel]

idk

what the price is

[vivid vessel]

[native tinsel]

where link

[vivid vessel]

gotta keep the propaganda going @near rock

[glass mortar]

how far behind is just boosting crafted weapons embelled over the bis setup...

zac im so lazy... i dont wanna farm a mythc mh

[slim hare]

why did you say it

[vivid vessel]

[pastel pendant]

Do u still have to use a builder after u get a bte reset proc

[haughty moat]

stacked boy doesnt evem know the upgrade costs xD

[gaunt phoenix]

if u land at 5 yes

[vivid vessel]

boosting items is 4 weeks away lil bud

who cares

dont think about it

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes you land at 6

[lucid sparrow]

BUILD TO 6

[hallow hemlock]

Anyone know the expected dps loss for just using KIR at 2 for the feels, instead of low rolling dispair?

[vivid vessel]

BUILD TO 6

[livid smelt]

Do we need more haste for trickster?

[glass mortar]

BUILD TO 6

[gaunt phoenix]

a lil bit

[pastel pendant]

Build to 5 got it

[vivid vessel]

i hope outlaw get buffed again

this shit aint it

[frail veldt]

Player diff

[haughty moat]

gnome is meta now with 1% haste and +10 energy

[lucid sparrow]

good good.... stay low outlaw...

[serene urchin]

man does trickster overcap alot or what

[lucid sparrow]

yes

[glass mortar]

IT DO

[frail veldt]

Overcap what

[glass mortar]

oop

[serene urchin]

hitting ss and getting the proc at 5cp feels so shitty

[frail veldt]

Oh cps

Duh

[vivid vessel]

if you have 6fth, and you press ss at 5 cp

[serene urchin]

yeah really fucking up my efficient mojo ova here

[vivid vessel]

you cant know that you procced

so it doesnt feel bad

thoughts ?

[glass mortar]

!!

[vivid vessel]

cant feel bad about overcapping cps if you dont know you are overcapping cps

study the zac's way

[glass mortar]

u know the best part about proccing ss at 5 cp and overcapping

[mystic berry]

the hardest part so far

[serene urchin]

u are a genius zac

[mystic berry]

has been not spending at 5

[glass mortar]

is ur next 2 builder order doesnt matter at all

[slim hare]

your right zac just dont press ps

[random stirrup]

ilvl check zac

surely you are gapped now

[vivid vessel]

nothing matters

[glass mortar]

xd

[vivid vessel]

most braindead iteration of outlaw by far

[vivid vessel]

im one reset behind ..

i will gap you so hard bro

[random stirrup]

noob!

[vivid vessel]

im 282.5

on live

its over for you lil bro

especially since im getting alleria trinket in vault

in fact

[true jackal]

we back ?

[vivid vessel]

imma wait to sleep

imma take vault first

[cinder relic]

What boss is this

[vivid vessel]

and show you

[vivid vessel]

dragon

he just died

[cinder relic]

LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

like 1%

[vivid vessel]

its funny joke

[lucid sparrow]

dont tell ppl that

no its not joke

outlaw is that shit

more buff please

do u guys slam bf on 2 target bosses

[potent walrus]

what trinkets do outlaw rogues use in high lvl keys

[lucid sparrow]

gays and alleria i think

[drifting sleet]

outlaw m+

[true jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1000234066324492368/1262981160150110219/cokebert.gif

[drifting sleet]

Raid outlaw

[serene urchin]

also correct me if im wrong but the fatebound optimisation of " with stage 2+ RTB and 3 stacks of Opportunity, use Sinister Strike at 1 CP instead of Pistol Shot." this gets us to 6 cp now instead of 7 but its fine right

to keep doing that or wtv

since we finish 6+ anyways

assuming no proc from ss and then we ps

[true jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320599387566506065/1326573955774939277/media-iv-text.gif

[glass mortar]

no this is gone

but it doesnt matter

if u are at 1 cp and 3 stacks of fth

the order of ur next SS and ps dont matter

the outcome is always the same

[serene urchin]

ah ic ok

[topaz fox]

nothing matters class is cooked

🔥

[serene urchin]

ogh yeah ok i get it now i see why it doesnt matter

[glass mortar]

yea

regardless of if the SS procs or not

it has the same outcome

u cant increase its efficiency like fatebound

[echo tapir]

just had like 10 bte resets crack shot we are back

that felt so awesome

[mystic berry]

we just unga bunga our cp building now?

[tulip jewel]

will the apls be getting changes soon? or are we sorta at where we wanna be already with the sims?

[glass mortar]

i think sims r pretty close to where we end up with, maybe some more kspree optimizations or something in the opener as we play it out

[frail veldt]

Ps>SS at low cps
When at 5cp it's ps(at max stacks)>ss

That's it

[slim hare]

finish 6+ dont overcap fth and unga bunga

[serene urchin]

is this a min max

[junior coral]

better chance to not get a wep... outlaw or sub loot spec

more dagger or swords? any one know

[copper radish]

pew pew

[near rock]

@vivid vessel no screenshot on the kill smh

[vivid vessel]

no

[slim hare]

sub

[vivid vessel]

i will for sure screenshot this one tho

when you are bottoming

[lavish shoal]

omg wangbar doesnt show supercharger cps in a different color

holy fk

this is awful

[mystic berry]

it does tho

[lucid sparrow]

zac

listening to this guy

yap

[lavish shoal]

they are just white for me

[lucid sparrow]

how outlaw buff made it get sent

[past falcon]

change it

[lucid sparrow]

from bottom dps

to top

[lavish shoal]

ty

[vivid vessel]

who is yapping

[lucid sparrow]

im in voice with ape talking about the tuning

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

he is prolly not wrong

i think outlaw will be on top of wcl this reset

not sure that tells the whole story tho

its still unplayable on bosses like crown or beloren

and it can only be played when its tuned good like that so idk

deserved i owuld say

for 20 seasons of being not playable

[random stirrup]

300k burn and all my sectec clones dont crit

[eternal hound]

Do we care about tracking anything extra as trickster?

[past lynx]

Anyone have a RTB reminder for someone who sucks and keeps letting it fall off

[native tinsel]

I mean, theres nothing that can be done in both of them right

[slim hare]

wdym it wont be top

[eternal hound]

Like do any of the buffs actually affect gameplay

[random stirrup]

buffs are helping

[vivid vessel]

i did 300k pre buff lil bud

[eternal hound]

I should clarify

[random stirrup]

also got all 9 clones in the amp

[eternal hound]

DO I need to track hidden blade

[slim hare]

dk devourer aug will still top

[vivid vessel]

im so mad i fucked up the 2nd damage phase bro

[random stirrup]

im not playing double on use anymore

[vivid vessel]

i would hjave done so good

[wicked kestrel]

Cant tell if i suck at outlaw or not. lmao

[vivid vessel]

now i just look like i did the same damage as assa players

[frail veldt]

You can set a sound alert when it drops

In default cdm

[slim hare]

how do u do the when it drop

[random stirrup]

i have 1200 crit and 0% clone crit 20% evis crit 30% strike crit wadahelly

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

couldnt be me

[dreamy halo]

next reset outlaw about to get a 3% auro and 25% bf nerf. i came from future

[vivid vessel]

buff wasnt enough for paladin boss i think

[low glade]

did we figure out that adren rush smoke bomb bug

[vivid vessel]

maybe another 20% buff incoming

[vivid vessel]

press above 30 energy

it cost energy

[low glade]

ohhhhhh

aight ty

[candid abyss]

100% ks buff

[low glade]

guess I just stay sin for it

lmao

[frail veldt]

I think it's just an option in the drop down

Maybe I'm wrong

[glass mortar]

ur so shameless

go to bed zac

[fossil lintel]

wait there's a bug with the smoke bomb?

[vivid vessel]

no

im waiting for my vault weran

i have alleria trinket in it

remember

[vivid vessel]

cost 30 energy

distract !

[slim hare]

ofc

[true jackal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/qd0VlZ9VCvY8hbkMfq

[fossil lintel]

bro

wth

raider io addon is spitting fatalities every 10s for me x.x

[near rock]

@vivid vessel i rolled double trouble the entire fight

insane work

[vivid vessel]

all im seeing is

outlaw need another 20% aura

on top of that

[clear tulip]

same as my kill last week

the 60% jackpot pull everyone ate shields

[vivid vessel]

to even show up on the metters

ty for that one ots

[fossil lintel]

outlaw needs pc back if we want paladins

[brave lagoon]

I finally saw the disappearing rtb bug during beloran

[vivid vessel]

bro not using zac's weak aura

[clear tulip]

but ots proving we need that aura buff perfect gaming and still 11th

[near rock]

disgusting

[brave lagoon]

I never had a need to before now

[vivid vessel]

i mean if you didnt get a 1 buffer

its not that that bad no

if you also got 1 buffers on top of that hto

its rough

[clear tulip]

are you at least in soak group that can hit the bosses?

[near rock]

no

im in ranged grp

[clear tulip]

same

[near rock]

so I leave melee

[clear tulip]

[near rock]

its cursed

[vivid vessel]

well you dont know tbf

i dont think i noticed the first few times it happeened

its definitly something you sometimes dont really notice

[clear tulip]

my kill

[near rock]

and that was with sleight

like bro

[brave lagoon]

I sent Kir on a triple, then 5 second after I noticed it was gone

[outer meteor]

bro this rtb disappearing shit is gonna make me crashout

[near rock]

the variance on the spec is 25% higher now

yeesh

[vivid vessel]

just get zac's weak aura !

[brave lagoon]

yeah it probably got me before, but seeing it poof before my own eyes is

[vivid vessel]

not sponsored !

[brave lagoon]

sponsored by baguette

[clear tulip]

[rotund cloud]

is it bad juju to macro pot into AR?

[wicked kestrel]

how much should i trust hitting the dummies and seeing my damage not match up with my sim? lol

[vivid vessel]

@near rock i forgot, did you kill bird yet? Might be a tier we prog last boss at the same time

and i will be outlaw for once ..

[errant terrace]

sim has raid buffs

you'd need to turn them off

[clear tulip]

is it a save prep for egg phase vibe?

[vivid vessel]

uh

dont play outlaw on bird

[gaunt phoenix]

you should be able to match your target dummy sim, but the number is an average over 50,000 pulls or w.e

so you can be lower. or higher

[tulip jewel]

we don't save spree for anything do we? we just use after bte on cd always?

[clear tulip]

yeah probably going sub. still get to fartcloud so still a win

[gaunt phoenix]

yes you just use ks

[tulip jewel]

bet bet

[near rock]

not yet

[next thunder]

lol the fart cloud is so obnoxious people complainign in M+ about it

someone told me to stop doing it i'm like bruuh

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/stink-green-aura-gas-fart-walk-gif-1314043816381021953

[glass mortar]

they arent brave enough to have us in the party

😠

[clear tulip]

they just aint vibe players

[glass mortar]

afraid of the fart cloud

[cinder relic]

Bro turned of aura of suffering

[clear tulip]

find some vibers and go next

[vivid vessel]

@near rock dropplets are excluded from damage in logs btw

in case that helps

[stone loom]

Hi im new, 1 queation: Outlaw its good in raid right now ? pos buff

[next thunder]

no its the opposite of good

in raids

[flint sun]

how is the outlaw buff this patch?

[clear tulip]

outlaw is vibes only stay sub

[dull lintel]

ok after hitting the target dummy for a few minutes then going to a MT 10 to practice in a dungeon, i pulled 116k dps with main guache being my 2nd highest damage thing ( I know I need to get better stats, mastery is super high from gearing as sub for raid).

[next thunder]

Usually when you get invited to H raid and lead says 50k+ dps only, you'll be between 50-70k, that's my experience (as outlaw)

[wicked kestrel]

I did i just suck. lol

[dull lintel]

I have like 742 mastery atm,

[errant terrace]

ah rip

[flint sun]

i have 276 mastery 😂

[vivid vessel]

@near rock is raid already over

do you legit just raid 1 h or what

[silent crow]

What are you guys doing with 5 CP and 1/2 stacks of opportunity? SS again or spend the proc?

[near rock]

nah 10 min break

4 hours

[vivid vessel]

whatdehelly

[near rock]

we only raid 8 hours a week

[vivid vessel]

breaks

[clear tulip]

damn unionized breaks

[vivid vessel]

we are on 10h30 this tier

unfortunatly

cause im fucking bored

[compact mountain]

I just got 14 stacks of BTE. That is all

[frail veldt]

Ss

Only ps at 5cp if at max opp stacks

[near rock]

great shout

[vivid vessel]

i know

[stone loom]

outlaw in M+ or Rogue asssa ?

[random stirrup]

idk maybe im noob

im not really doing that much more damage than before

[midnight granite]

no suddenly dispatched in the M+ build?

crazy

[vivid vessel]

only 13% !

[worldly zephyr]

I’m pumping in raid tonight

[vivid vessel]

but you know rydler

[random stirrup]

in the egg burn bruh

[vivid vessel]

oh

you are a noob bro

[worldly zephyr]

Outlaw is doing dmg for once!