outlaw

[vivid vessel]

im very good

[gray summit]

Who launch a strzam
Plz

[carmine mountain]

is that stupid d agger from POS BiS for OH still?

[vivid vessel]

holy !

[gray summit]

Omg my buddy

[vivid vessel]

nice bro

you are so ready

[jagged plover]

https://tenor.com/view/get-em-banned-get-them-banned-kendall-toole-kendal-ban-gif-846194221662273262

[vivid vessel]

are you doing lura as law ?

@patent lion

[gray summit]

Whispyr the Outlaw ????

[plain portal]

is illidan down

[patent lion]

idk probably not

I suck at law

[vivid vessel]

wtf ..

[fathom bramble]

can't even click my vault bro

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

[fathom bramble]

my loot is stuck

[gray summit]

Wtf

Bro come to play outlaw

[gray summit]

French guys can give u lesson

U gave a lot on si

[fossil lintel]

I'm stuck with that and i'm not illidan

[craggy barn]

pre fart gets ut good vault

[gray summit]

Sin

[keen belfry]

seems like a socket angle again!

[jagged plover]

it even looks green

stinky

[gray summit]

NO

[fathom bramble]

maybe bonus roll angle

[gray summit]

Take the reroll m+

reroll m+ > socket

[gaunt rover]

are there even good m+ pools to roll in

[fossil lintel]

Yeah extra reroll is good

[fossil lintel]

PoS

[tiny onyx]

POS dagger

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plain portal]

yo you guys think i should send my reroll on heroic/myth chimaerus or on the skyreach trinket or something

[tiny onyx]

Where or how do you even do the rerolls

[river wing]

pit is insane

[sullen nimbus]

Idc anymore I was just ragebaiting Zac until the servers came up

[river wing]

legit 5/6 good items and the cloak isn't even bad, just suboptimal

[sullen nimbus]

I was bored

Sorry

[low glade]

has anyone from illidan actually been able to log in

[gray summit]

For reroll,
Priority is :
go simc poggers

[plain portal]

no

[placid ocean]

Myth chim. Skyreach has too many mediocre items to risk going for it.

[keen belfry]

@fathom bramble can u tell me what to do

[low glade]

[random stirrup]

@keen belfry can u tell me what to do

[worldly zephyr]

I’ll be home from work in an hour and will definitely test this

[fathom bramble]

wdym

[gray summit]

What do you hace in oh ?

[outer meteor]

uh

crafted

[keen belfry]

i feel like i gotta get the shulders ugh!

[outer meteor]

dagger

[gray summit]

Hmm

[fathom bramble]

yeah shoulders if you need a place to send crests

[outer meteor]

no shot its a oh angle

[fathom bramble]

maybe just always shoulders

[outer meteor]

its bad stats

haste mas

[red grove]

Are we sending void stuff on mainhand crafted? Or should I roll for Myth track from vault and send on that?

[glass mortar]

ongod i tabbed in here to see zac replying to a tag from whispyr saying "its time" and i just assumed zac got banned again

a little dissapointed ngl

[river wing]

time to sleep till vault...

[cobalt walrus]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2046709860725580074 roll em boys

Nail ⚒️ (@SGNailz)

Every rogue waiting for servers to come up @Warcraft #mythics

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Apr 21, 2026, 9:57 PM

[gray summit]

Zac got banned ???

[unique fulcrum]

yes

[keen belfry]

ye but we gonna play them

[jolly geyser]

Ye

[jagged plover]

RIP zac

[vivid vessel]

yes

im banned

[carmine mountain]

what?

[vivid vessel]

rip zac

[glass mortar]

zac is this ring good...

[keen belfry]

yes

[vivid vessel]

ye !

[glass mortar]

no gaze but we can occlude the void a little bit ig...

[gray summit]

Bis

[glass mortar]

next week gaze.....

[gray summit]

With reroll

[sick prawn]

what are our new trickster talents looking like?

[gray summit]

U can have gaze in 3 weeks

[unique fulcrum]

check pinned

[carmine mountain]

is the crafted dagger or that dagger from POS bis still?

[gray summit]

4 if u are not lucky

[sick prawn]

ty im stupid

[fossil lintel]

damn blizz needs to fix their damn servers

[outer meteor]

wdcym

am i missing something

[next wedge]

trickster 🙁

[outer meteor]

low iq moment or what

[keen belfry]

helm tier sucks balls too

[sturdy ore]

does someone have a weakaura for roll the bones? like we had before they fked WA

[carmine mountain]

WA what is that?

[sturdy ore]

weakaura

[carmine mountain]

im joking

[sturdy ore]

:)))

[glass mortar]

u cant do that anymore unfortunatly

just gotta use CDM

[sturdy ore]

u can

its called m33kauras now

[glass mortar]

not making WA

[unique fulcrum]

its not the same

[glass mortar]

u cant track the specific buff of RtB

[unique fulcrum]

not even close

[glass mortar]

with a WA

the game does not allow u

just gotta use CDM

[sturdy ore]

oh really?

thats crazy

[glass mortar]

u could make a bigger one i guess probably with that WA

if it helps u

[bright crane]

Is ol top dps yet??

[glass mortar]

but its just gunna be the CDM icon

it shows u what buff u have

[sturdy ore]

i used to have a wa that said "AWESOME" when getting all rtb buffs :))

[daring yoke]

why im not getting gaze in my vault

[carmine mountain]

you dont deserve it man

thats why

[daring yoke]

😭

[sturdy ore]

so i have to learn the actual good buffs instead of a wa that says that they are good

[glass mortar]

good buff is anything that isnt purple

[slim hare]

its ez

[glass mortar]

so thankfully it isnt very hard

purple = 1 buff

thats bad

[late hazel]

So KIR on 2 or 3+ ?

[slim hare]

purple = 1 = bad

[glass mortar]

anything else is good

[slim hare]

everything else = good

[echo tapir]

theres literally 4 stages

[glass mortar]

trickster can also kir on 3+ only

but

it has some caveats

id read the pins/faq about it

[sturdy ore]

that?

[glass mortar]

solo wrote

yup

thats 1 buff

[static crescent]

why u guys posting these shitty pictures

[slim hare]

with perfect uptime trickster can achieve +3 only

[late hazel]

i read but feels like 2+ is less of a head pain

[pliant ibex]

v bad don’t kir

[static crescent]

where my fartcloud pictures at

[slim hare]

but i wouldnt recommend only doing 3+ on real situation

[glass mortar]

i aint making a trickster build until raid friday or someone tries to bring me to some keys

no fartcloud till friday

[slim hare]

you should just try to do it

[low glade]

what a vault

holy

[carmine mountain]

amazing

[river wing]

gz, got that same thing last week

is good

[lavish shoal]

guys

fart cloud is obnoxious

holy

[outer meteor]

@keen belfry what do i take bro

cant sim shit

[gray summit]

Some US guys can stream and show to us

The new tricksters abilities

[near osprey]

are you supposed to dip out of the cloud right before it ends and go back in?

[glass mortar]

no

[timid portal]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gray summit]

No

[glass mortar]

u need to be in it right before it expires

u dont need to go out of it first

[real yew]

so, how do we use cloud?

[glass mortar]

u can sit in it the whole time if u wanna

[gray summit]

U put the cloud

Before the 10 seconds enfing

U have to go in

To have 10 sec more

But u can in and out

Just before it disepears

U have to go in

[real yew]

👍

[tranquil folio]

wait, you can't just stay in the cloud and get the extra 10 seconds? you have to run out and back in?

[atomic bolt]

wait did we have to manually cast slice n dice in fatebound or just in trickster? lol

[jagged plover]

any time spent in it is valuable though because if you're randomly not able to re enter, you want the longest lingering time possible i guess

[jagged plover]

no

[foggy cove]

sigh no myth gaze no myth rangers this game just hates me

[jagged plover]

if you sit in it the whole time that is fine

[near osprey]

how much of a dps loss is stopping at 5 cps instead of 6

[jagged plover]

the point is, it being a lingering buff of 10 seconds, you don't have to sit in it

you just have to be in it when it expires to get max uptime

[tranquil solstice]

!stats

[ornate heath]

Outlaw's stat prio is generally Crit > Haste* > Vers >= Mastery.

• You need ~21-23% haste for energy, this has priority over crit. That's the haste on your stat page after talents/buffs/flask.
• Crit is then your best stat until you approach ~40%, from there random vers or mastery pieces will be similar.
• You have to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine the exact combination of pieces to use.

[carmine mountain]

You have a full heroic vault for raid, no myth gaze/rangers possible unless im missing something

[foggy cove]

dungeons is myth stuff

[glass mortar]

gaze is a raid trinket tho

[carmine mountain]

so is rangers

[glass mortar]

yea

[fallen oar]

Anybody else not able to log in to game server?

[glass mortar]

cant get either of those from mythic + part of vault

[coarse kraken]

Why does the trickster talent setup have numbing instead of atrophic?

[foggy cove]

oohh

[glass mortar]

because the utility points are generaly not the focus of the recommended builds

[foggy cove]

mb lol

[glass mortar]

as long as you path correctly u can swap them to whatever you want

[carmine mountain]

if you dont raid mythic you'll still need heroic gaze/umbral plume

[foggy cove]

have those

[near osprey]

how much of a dps loss is finishing on 5 cps instead of 6

[jagged plover]

chimmy is puggable but gl getting a group

[glass mortar]

for just dispatch it was like 1-2%, for all finishers higher

[foggy cove]

need to find a myth raid group thatll accept a noob wow player :(

[glass mortar]

but it might be more that was with old trickster apl

ud need someone to sim with an override to see the actual number

[carmine mountain]

if you have those then focus on the rest of your mythic gear then and upgrade your tier you get from vault to mythic with catalyst 🙂

[tired wolf]

if we're currently at stage 2 and no LD with KiR ready do we just roll on cd

[foggy cove]

i spent like 9 hours in a pug group just to kill m vora last night..

[civic zephyr]

Is wowhead build updated with the changes?

[jagged plover]

pugs are so fun

[gray summit]

Oh

In the fuu spread

[jagged plover]

you see such incredible things

[gray summit]

Oh dagger is our bis oh now

Ok

[foggy cove]

is a myth tier set chest gonna be better than a cape

[civic zephyr]

Which one?

[gray summit]

Craft

Dagger

[civic zephyr]

Is it better than mythic raid one? I got the verse mastery one in vault

[carmine mountain]

you'd have to sim yourself but id try to get my tier set on the myth track asap but that cape you got in your vault is a good one too but sim yourself 🙂

[gray summit]

Because u embelissh that

[foggy cove]

yeah just waiting for raidbots to come up

not quite sure what to use my bonus rolls on

[carmine mountain]

should be in an hour make sure you change your talents to trickster and all that jazz but i have a feeling that cape might be good for you

[civic zephyr]

I thought our wep embellish was temporary is no longer the case? @gray summit

[foggy cove]

have everything on heroic atm so just need to start grinding out myth gear

[real yew]

any way to track the smoke?

[carmine mountain]

Try to chase umbral plume its better than rangers too even at heroic level

[prisma lantern]

It's in CDM

[deft wraith]

Is latch's hook worth a shit in M+ or is it just 5 target sim bait?

[foggy cove]

is it worth using a bonus roll for tho or should i only save htem for myth track content drops

[coarse kraken]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/rogue_outlaw.simc
Is this up to date for cloud cover?

[native tinsel]

disaster

[unique fulcrum]

u can take extra bonus roll

ez

[real yew]

Can we track WHEN the big smoke will fadeout?

[mellow dagger]

so i think if a horde and alliance rogue are hitting the same target dummy, if one of them hits adr and smoke bombs the other one cant attack the training dummy, not sure if this is known or if im wrong or if anyone cares

[prisma lantern]

Lots of ways. Can make an arcui timer for example

[carmine mountain]

the sim you should use is tier myth chest with catalyst and that cape, if you guys down the bird then yes use your bonus roll on it and try to get that OH dagger from POS or get a crafted one without embelishment since you already have ring and MH crafted

[foggy cove]

Got that stupid beetle stabber dagger a few days ago after grinding pos all day

[carmine mountain]

since you have a 266 rangers you could keep your bonus rolls for M+ as it takes less but dont forget its loot per spec keeping all of them for POS would prolly be optimal for you

lots of good loot for outlaw

[foggy cove]

Yeah I noticed that

POS has like 5/7 good drops

[carmine mountain]

then chase that since you'd get the item on the myth track 🙂 alright off to sim my bad vault lol

[foggy cove]

Gl

[echo tapir]

is there like an internal cd on the cloud cause sometimes when i ar it doesnt spawn

[lavish shoal]

@keen belfry does wangbar work for sub too, and if so can i get the link

[vivid vessel]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[vivid vessel]

of course it works

[lavish shoal]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[frank finch]

i cant see shit when i fart

[lavish shoal]

i need to copy someones ui

[ashen birch]

https://tenor.com/view/good-rainy-morning-gif-13545928996254568915

[lavish shoal]

i have luxthos' and its cooked rn

[spiral trench]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

lol

got a bug

adr didnt make cloud

[echo tapir]

yeah

im not getting cloud everytime

[frail veldt]

sending vid

1 sec

[frank finch]

gg its over

[jagged plover]

does it have some cooked icd

[unique fulcrum]

outlaw is bugged?! NO WAAY

[echo tapir]

thats what i was wondering and asking if there was an icd

[jagged plover]

[uncut ginkgo]

its soooo good

[low glade]

lmaooooooooo

is it actually bugged

must be some icd thing

[weary fog]

i think theres an internal cd on cloud

yeah

[echo tapir]

aids

[vivid vessel]

worked on ptr

im glad its bugged on live

cant ever have good things

[frail veldt]

its not every time

it was like the 6th time

[jagged plover]

GG i knew it was too good to be true Guy always lies to me

[vivid vessel]

xdd

one dev

ONE

DEV

[past sphinx]

how good is this trink for law

[echo tapir]

i hear its really good

[low glade]

pretty decent, but don't take a hero track vault

if your vault is bad just take tokens

[vivid vessel]

im so glad it just doesnt work

we have it so good guys

outlaw !

[fossil lintel]

is any of those trinkets worth a damn?

[past sphinx]

wont be killing mythic crown anytime soon tho

[vivid vessel]

the fun spec !

[shadow trellis]

prism is pretty good

[clear tulip]

just in time for some more grey parses

(why is it 279 when i only have 3 bosses that drop 279 kiilled)

[vagrant kettle]

zac, do u have the new talents?

[low glade]

yeahbut there are myth track dungeon trinkets

that are better

[jagged plover]

it being the 6th time is so random

[low glade]

than the hero track one you haved

[jagged plover]

wonder what the cause is

[past sphinx]

true true tahnks

[daring yoke]

does other people in the party/raid see our farts?

[frail veldt]

ill keep testing but no clue

[tired wolf]

they do

im told its "obnoxious"

[clear tulip]

fartgang

[past sphinx]

surely this right

[junior glacier]

so trickster is go to now or wut

[clear tulip]

fazed clan fartgang

[echo tapir]

sometimes i get the cloud back to back and sometimes not feels like a weird cd if that was the case

[vivid vessel]

cant ever have good things bro

cant

it has to not work

i cant bro

[low glade]

that's a nice helmet -- i'd sim it for sure to see whats best for you

[vivid vessel]

i litteraly cannot

[clear tulip]

imagine it hides mechanics

[vivid vessel]

useless devs bro i cba

[low glade]

be careful so you can gear around your haste target

[clear tulip]

fartlaw benched for inting

[low glade]

sim angle deffo

[shadow trellis]

Dw

blades cost energy now

:D

[icy cedar]

what is this bullshit, we gotta do more voidcores before we get the bonus roll?!

[lavish shoal]

is AR costing energy @frail veldt

it might be because you didnt have 30 energy

[jagged plover]

[frail veldt]

the fuck

[lavish shoal]

Atleast for sub

[frail veldt]

wym

[lavish shoal]

blades is costing 30 energy

[frail veldt]

but I pressed AR

[lavish shoal]

with cloud cover

[plain portal]

it really is a go outlaw angle

[lavish shoal]

yes

[frail veldt]

oh so if you dont have energy

[lavish shoal]

it costs 30 energy

[frail veldt]

when you press AR

it doesnt cast cloud cover

[lavish shoal]

yes

[vivid vessel]

what

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[lavish shoal]

its because

it used to be distract

[shadow trellis]

HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

[jagged plover]

no

[shadow trellis]

NO WAY

[jagged plover]

shot

[buoyant stratus]

NO WAY

[haughty moat]

nooooo way

[shadow trellis]

NO WAY

[buoyant stratus]

HAHAHHA

[lavish shoal]

its coded as pressing distract on yourself

[frail veldt]

BHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vivid vessel]

hahahaha

thats so funny actually

ok its not that bad then

[frank finch]

aint no way

[brave lagoon]

jesus christ

[vivid vessel]

we can play around that

we are saved

[haughty moat]

hahahahaha thats unbelievable

[frank finch]

was lie that on ptr?

[frail veldt]

the way they code

is so so so sos o so so so hacky

this is insane

[lavish shoal]

[shadow trellis]

Dude im dying

[clear tulip]

bro

aint naur way moment

[copper radish]

what a fucking useless company

does any1 work there

[brave lagoon]

yeah grok and claude

I bet they work overtime

[haughty moat]

i cant

[midnight granite]

Does distract cast cloud

[jagged plover]

claude would never

that's some grok shit

[lavish shoal]

no

lol

[daring yoke]

omg LOL

[midnight granite]

Imagine

[vivid vessel]

do you get the buff if distract is on cd tho

?

[lavish shoal]

yerds

yes

[copper radish]

double clouds lololol

[gaunt phoenix]

NA beta testing

There is a bug where Adrenaline Rush drains 30 energy with the new Cloud Cover talent.

This means if you don't have 30 energy then the smoke will not happen.

Yes Trickster is still ridiculously ahead even with this bug

[daring yoke]

whats sad is that. the bug was believeable since we are Outlaw

[jagged plover]

actual legendary bug

[clear tulip]

now we need distract refresh on prep

[analog radish]

Yo is anyone with ayijeCDM having trouble opening up the settings?

oh

it loaded

[outer meteor]

does anyone know if u can get tier pieces from bonus roll

[wicked ether]

how much can blizzard just show to the rogue community that they really dont give a fuck about you

[vivid vessel]

are you na ?

[outer meteor]

yh

[gray summit]

Wait what

[vivid vessel]

go test it then

you are our beta tester

[outer meteor]

oh hell nah

[gray summit]

It’s so funny

[tough trellis]

oh my god killing spree AND prep

[slim hare]

AND BUG

[tough trellis]

wallahi im cooked

[gray summit]

So now, when u ar, u lost 30 energy bc the code is distract ???

[clear tulip]

and distract

put it on your bars

[tough trellis]

what

wait you are joking bruv

[slim hare]

we legit can't have nice things

[tough trellis]

i press distract unironically??

[slim hare]

you dont press it

[clear tulip]

im jk, pin clarifies it

[slim hare]

you just check you can use it before adr

[tough trellis]

oh

[daring yoke]

with energy issues and AR costing 30 energy. fuuuuuckkk. its gonna get hotfixed within few hours right?

[tough trellis]

o o f

[slim hare]

hahaha

[tough trellis]

oh hell nah

[tough trellis]

lmfao

[slim hare]

try next expansion

[haughty moat]

sure bro

[shadow trellis]

Next season. Take it or leave it

[slim hare]

thats hopium

next season would be fast

[jagged plover]

only hero classes get hotfix buffs

[spiral trench]

anyone know why raidbot wont let me sim a sword its only showing me daggers

[gray summit]

It’s so funny buddy

[jagged plover]

we get hotfix nerfs round here

[slim hare]

compared to the usual time it takes for bugs to get fixed

[analog radish]

bro this build feels like complete shit

[tough trellis]

dont say that please i havent even checked 😭

[dark ember]

Alright brothers, what are the new talents with the Ace changes

also I hear Fatebound has been murdered

[analog radish]

GIVE ME BACK MY CRACKSHOTTTTTT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[daring yoke]

i think they gonna hotfix AR energy alongside nerfing cloud cover as it was unintended and too strong. no way outlaw getting a 13% buff right

[nova sinew]

does prep reset on key start

[vivid vessel]

any cd above 2

[gray summit]

Why not

[vivid vessel]

reset

[nova sinew]

ty

[sly anvil]

Bro chill

[daring yoke]

at least blind is back 😭

[cinder relic]

What

[vivid vessel]

whats the cd on blind

[gray summit]

Bro please tell us

[vivid vessel]

with this btw

[tough trellis]

wish i can blind myself with these changes holy

[haughty moat]

@vivid vessel can you build a WA for it pls, my brain doestn allow me to track that also^^

[vivid vessel]

for what

[tough trellis]

1 min 🗿

[gray summit]

Guys u just have to watch

If u have 30+ energy

[vivid vessel]

hm

thats very long

idk if its even worth it

[tough trellis]

where is my 24s aoe stop plz blizz

[wintry gate]

are we great yet bois?

[tired rune]

knew it was too good to be true that something wouldn't break 😂

[placid ocean]

Is wowhead updated for our build?

[daring yoke]

regardless im enjoying fart outlaw

[haughty moat]

like a big red X when im under 30 energy, what i can put over my adr

[vivid vessel]

haha

[still matrix]

ANY us outlul streamers

[haughty moat]

im for real

[vivid vessel]

its

[glass mortar]

how

[vivid vessel]

wait i dont think its possible actually

[glass mortar]

did this even happen

[tough trellis]

no summarily dispatched no rush to the inevitable this is gon b so bad lmfao

[vivid vessel]

energy is secret

lol

[glass mortar]

do we have an ability that costs 30 energy

[haughty moat]

no way

[frail veldt]

blind is shorter if you drop extra stam

[glass mortar]

how does something get miscoded to consume 30 energy

[haughty moat]

im fucked

[frail veldt]

its not miscoded

its reused code

[glass mortar]

ahahaha

i see

[clear tulip]

So i migh tbe tripping but theres no need to dip in and out of the smoke

[vivid vessel]

i think you could have energy change color under x tho

i think thats possible

[clear tulip]

duration doesnt go down until it disappears

[slim hare]

pixel detect energy bar

[cinder relic]

Correct u dont need to dip in and out

[glass mortar]

who has been saying u need to leave the smoke to get more smoke duration

lots of people asking about it today

yea u dont need to

thats just for if you are forced out of it

[slim hare]

overlay bullshit when under 30 ENERGY

[glass mortar]

all u need to do to minmax is make sure u are in it or touch it right before it ends

[clear tulip]

yeah i was confused when people started saying this i was like am i trippin

[slim hare]

nice work blizzard killing addon was worth it

[dusky steeple]

What Dungeons drop good weapons?

[wintry gate]

silvermoon city crafter's table

[haughty moat]

ye build me one if you have time ppls^^

[indigo token]

oh my god

are we taking prep in M+

[placid ocean]

The reason you dip back in is if mobs were moved away from the smoke, so you dip back in before it ends to reset the buff before the cloud disappears.

[indigo token]

kill me now

[outer meteor]

we were already taking it

xd

[indigo token]

we were?

[deep sequoia]

always have been

[outer meteor]

yes

[deep sequoia]

the whole season brother

[indigo token]

WHAT

[slim hare]

yeah

[glass mortar]

preps been better the whole season yea

[indigo token]

it wasnt in the build I got

[placid ocean]

Pit of Saron for dagger, then craft a sword

[wintry gate]

some builds don't run it in raid

[tiny maple]

the area of effect for smoke bomb is way better than i expected.

[indigo token]

well now im really pissed

[glass mortar]

yea it if u havent changed ur builds from the FaQ one from like

first 1.5 weeks of the expac

[wintry gate]

but you can if you want

[frail veldt]

it was marginally better @indigo token

[deep sequoia]

u were probably running the 2 points in summarily dispatched

[glass mortar]

u wouldnt have it

[frail veldt]

like same overall

as SD

[glass mortar]

i didnt change it until a few weeks ago

[gaunt rover]

im more annoyed about having to press SnD again

[glass mortar]

sim wise its not like a big gain

but gameplay wise

its very noticable

[frail veldt]

now its better in the sims too

[indigo token]

oh my god we do

[glass mortar]

having prep for ur almost guarenteed lust first pull with pot

[indigo token]

[glass mortar]

makes it feel so much less shit

[indigo token]

this stinks

[glass mortar]

i hit 701k opener on the wotlk seasonal dungeon with prep last week

not as beeg as zac but still

[vivid vessel]

i havent hit much higher than that

[glass mortar]

feels nice with prep

[vivid vessel]

my highest is 800 i think

smth

[glass mortar]

ye

im only 276 ilvl still...

smol lil bean.....

[indigo token]

i mean i dont doubt hitting those numbers feels good

[outer meteor]

so smol

[indigo token]

im just upset cause prep still feels bad

[glass mortar]

oh yea dont get me wrong

prep is just

[slim hare]

zac said this week he will hit 1m

[outer meteor]

i love prep

ngl

[glass mortar]

infuriatingly a worse double charge

[outer meteor]

xd

[thick copper]

what u mean guys with prep? its a spell? or what

[slim hare]

i have receipt

[glass mortar]

and u get this random dead full gcd in ur opener

[outer meteor]

i could be better

[glass mortar]

of pressing this bullshit button

[outer meteor]

but i like it

[indigo token]

Preperation

[glass mortar]

imagine putting it on the gcd

didnt even give it an animation to make up for it or anything

[indigo token]

It gives us another cd of blade rush, AR and BTE

but it feels awful

[frozen steeple]

Prep on gcd is a warcrime

[indigo token]

there's no feedback on it, unless you're looking at your hotbars

[deep sequoia]

im ngl idk how the fuck zac hits those numbers

sheesh

[indigo token]

it eats a gcd

[thorn parrot]

needs to be off the GCD ffs

[glass mortar]

its

[deep sequoia]

hes so big and stronk

[glass mortar]

35% good play in ur opener

[slim hare]

he is better

[glass mortar]

and 65% pure nonsense rng

[indigo token]

and now, we have to press SnD, a button that doesnt do any damage, in our opener?

what the fuck are they doing?

[glass mortar]

i didnt play any differently hitting that 700k then i do when i have the normal 400k opener on a pull like that

[analog radish]

Im prolly making mistakes but im feeling way more energy starved with this build

[frozen steeple]

before you pull the boss

[glass mortar]

all procs and jackpot

[indigo token]

its still shit

[frozen steeple]

it doesnt matter compaining about prepull is cringe

[indigo token]

also btw i need some help

[haughty moat]

those one nerver liked me cuh

[indigo token]

what addon is doing these awful nameplates

i wanna turn them off

[slim hare]

shift+v

[outer meteor]

fml

i cant even take vault because idk if bonus roll gives u tier

or if it can

[analog radish]

plater general settings and check hide blizzard health bars

[haughty moat]

u sstill need tier?

[analog radish]

if youre using player

plater

[thorn parrot]

Yeah FIzz trying to look it up as well

[outer meteor]

well myth tier

yes

[keen belfry]

fart cloud blast

100k st no lust or pot

[outer meteor]

yes

i did 105k on 1st boss in pit

no lust

no pot\

[thorn parrot]

Can the Tokens of Merit give you a bonus roll though? I read somewhere they can but I cant find it

[haughty moat]

catalyst?

[desert tendon]

ZAC

did you kill boss?

[outer meteor]

what

i would still need a myth piece

[cinder relic]

U need to finish thhe quest

[outer meteor]

im asking if the bonus roll has a chance to give u tier from the boss

[haughty moat]

ye

[vivid vessel]

yes

[haughty moat]

ahhh now i see ur point

[junior sierra]

killing spree below between the eyes is wild

[dull lintel]

Anyone do any outlaw keys since the buffs? Im wondering if i make an offset for outlaw for keys now.

[outer meteor]

i did

[gaunt phoenix]

dispatch damage is funny

[glass mortar]

i doubt anyone knows but wowhead if its even stated anywhere but my default assumption would be yes, since it gives you an item off the bosses loot table one at a time and tier is an item on the table

[slim hare]

pistol shot so high

its crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

pistol be shotting

[glass mortar]

wtf... throw GSW on that guy....

[dark ember]

Does this mean I should let Summarily go in favor of KIR?

[gray summit]

How many times before blizzard fix the bug you think ?

[dark ember]

Trying to find out what gets sacrificed at the altar of 2/2 Ace

[lapis meadow]

outlaw sims aint working im assuming, since fate is outsimming trix for me

[gaunt phoenix]

The aoe build does not use summarily ye

[dark ember]

ST?

<---- raiding andy

[gaunt phoenix]

it uses one

[slim hare]

next expansion not even trolling; or they cant fix it and make a workaround before that

[gaunt phoenix]

a lot of raid in aoe

[daring yoke]

does raid cleave just use aoe build?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[gray summit]

But

Why taking so long

To fix 30 energy bug

I cant understand

[still matrix]

bizzard

are slow

[slim hare]

20 min into patch discovering the bug and how it works... ngl i think its crazy

[cinder relic]

It has been 30 minutes

[slim hare]

no one saw it coming

x)

[gray summit]

So some players

[cinder relic]

I mean I didnt notice it on PTR when I was testing it

[gray summit]

Unpaid

[vivid vessel]

this bug is legit irrelevant

i hope they dont fix it

if they do that means they are taking a look at the talent

and they would nerf

[slim hare]

yeah your probably right

[gray summit]

Yeah that’s true

[daring yoke]

this is big brain i agree 😭

[gray summit]

But sometimes u are happy to have AR with 10 energy

[harsh quartz]

feeling weak on a dummy with this new talent tree for some reason

[slim hare]

nerfing us would be crazy right now but ok

[stone cradle]

the server barely just came up and you're counting this as "so long"? we've had bugs last for entire expansions

[storm hemlock]

so do we adr prep adr pre key now?

[daring yoke]

we energy pooling now before AR

[gray summit]

You have a ptr for what ?

[stone cradle]

lol

[gray summit]

Just 30 energy

[twilit frost]

What happens if you distract in adr then? cloud or not?

[daring yoke]

i dont think they realized theres a bug with Outlaw atm, they need to make sure UH and devourer buffs are working correctly

[slim hare]

good question

[light kernel]

pistol has more casts now with trickster r?

[slim hare]

can we get more cloud uptime

?

[twilit frost]

Idk, can we?

[gray summit]

Imagine if

Distract give tjr buff

Xd

[quasi verge]

whos plater is fucked up rn..

[slim hare]

that would be a thanos buff tbf

[gaunt phoenix]

they have been on top of fixing bugs this tier, better than any xpac ive played

they've fixed every bug ive ever pinned, i dont doubt they will fix this too

[indigo token]

lmao what?

[slim hare]

thats true

so true

[indigo token]

sure they might have been fixing it

but theres been so many more

[vivid vessel]

not true

tehy havent fixed the important ones

[cinder relic]

Name a better expac for fixing bugs

[slim hare]

sometimes its workaround instead of fix

[cinder relic]

Or a period of time

[vivid vessel]

apex delay and ss proc delay

[indigo token]

i havent been playing for long enough to make a judgement

[slim hare]

i cant for sure

[cinder relic]

?????????

Then why are u saying NOW isnt

if u have no idea???

[indigo token]

but it definitely feels as buggy as TWW< which was a lot more buggy than DF

[keen belfry]

idk how to track this cloud the best way

[slim hare]

they legit have no idea how

[cinder relic]

The remaining duration of AR

[gray summit]

Can we know how many dps we loose with this bug ?

[keen belfry]

iu mean i have a wa for it, i just dont know if i like it

[slim hare]

dont forget its ia working here

[elfin tusk]

If no myth track trinkets or weapon, do i just void infuse my crafted mainhand?

[gray summit]

I think it’s something like 0.1%

[keen belfry]

i made WA

[cinder relic]

ah

[slim hare]

none if you play around it

[gray summit]

U cant void infuse this week

[slim hare]

share that WA i beg

[gray summit]

U have 1 more week to loot a weapon hehe

[keen belfry]

https://wago.io/98vNhJhEH

[haughty moat]

what is that?

[indigo token]

FARTLAW!!!!

also wait

WA's still work?

i thought they discontinuted it

[outer meteor]

i wonder if its better to use the tokens for a bonus roll if u dont have a myth item to socket

[thorn parrot]

yeah thats what im doing fizz

[slim hare]

where have you been

?

[indigo token]

playing deadlock

getting kicked out of trials

uhhh

playing better games really

[slim hare]

i see

m33kaura on google

enjoy

nothing works

except with workaround

[indigo token]

arent these addon changes so great

[slim hare]

yeah

lost the war

[indigo token]

didnt even win the battle

[slim hare]

every ui stufff is far worse

so good

[desert tendon]

nice kill zac

[atomic bolt]

I just did a run as the new tricks build.. I got more than 2 bones three times the entire dungeon and jackpot 0 times

[desert tendon]

but i meant did you kill the boss

[atomic bolt]

is that.. normal?

[desert tendon]

not did the boss kill you

[indigo token]

i think so

[lucid sparrow]

wtf is that fartcloud wa

does it play fart sound

[slim hare]

argument was accessibility for new player but even that is worth

i beg they remove the addon change

[indigo token]

yes but even blizzards base ui sucks for new players

[slim hare]

yes

they achieve nothing

[indigo token]

its servicable but nothing near what we had

[cinder relic]

The base UI is really good for noobs

[slim hare]

except making things worse

i swear

[indigo token]

its good for players that dont engage in content that people in discord servers engage in

[slim hare]

no its good for casual who dont care

[indigo token]

i.e. raids and M+

[outer meteor]

im ngl

[indigo token]

the invisible majority

[outer meteor]

i missed being able to chain btes

[slim hare]

which was already the case before that

[outer meteor]

holy

[indigo token]

i do too

i miss old ace and crackshot

it felt sooooo good

just being able to get reset after reset

now its ok but i miss the old version

[slim hare]

ace need to give 1 more cp

and the spec is amazing imo

[indigo token]

theres a few more problems

perma tricks should be base

not a hero talent

prep off the gcd

[jagged plover]

fuck prep

two charges

[craggy barn]

bro i completely forgot i had to put ks on my bar LOL

[slim hare]

mmmh i agree but at the same time its nowhere close on my dopamine addiction list

[craggy barn]

i took it off and put ranger insig there

gdi

my bars are so full wtf

[slim hare]

has anyone tried if disctract put the cloud on the ground ? or they didnt forget to remove that?

[frail bronze]

!macro

[cinder relic]

It doesnt work

[ornate heath]

Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?

• You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
• Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
• You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.

[craggy barn]

i ddi just now and it doesnt work

[indigo token]

outdated

[unique fulcrum]

yoo is it true that the upgrade thing is still timegated?

[cinder relic]

correct

[lavish shoal]

Yes

It’s true

[unique fulcrum]

World of Timegate

[cinder relic]

Its an MMO yes

[marsh raft]

weird, Outlaw is simming way higher than Assa or Sub for me. 🤔

[cinder relic]

Sounds normal

[unique fulcrum]

outlaw always sims high

[daring yoke]

we always sim champion

[weary fog]

im already getting flamed by my tank for covering the ground with the fart cloud 😭

[lavish shoal]

It just got a 13% buff so

[gray summit]

Sub has the same bug than us

Blades cost 30 energy ahahahah

[lavish shoal]

We have the same bug as sub

[indigo token]

wait is it visible to other players

isnt that gonna be a huge visual annoyance

[unique fulcrum]

but the bonusrolls are not timegated, right

[weary fog]

yes

[hot onyx]

Just tested the changes. wow.

[marsh raft]

ahh ok

[violet ferry]

Fart cloud gaming

[livid kindle]

yo NA friends how trixter goes?

[slim hare]

the bug as sub is way worse imo

[cinder relic]

They are out rn

[dusky steeple]

Played assa and Just crafted Last week a second dagger. Is there a Dungeon weapons Worth Bonus rolling for or am i better Off waiting a week?

[cinder relic]

But they are timegated

U only get 2 a week

[unique fulcrum]

yea i know that

thanks

i was like

afraid i couldnt gamba

for my gaze

[polar chasm]

yall, how is outlaw looking is it good now or

[glass shard]

trickster bis

log out !

[cinder relic]

Its been less than 2 hours

It should be though yeah

[craggy barn]

guy

[polar chasm]

yeah Im asking people who are playing rn cause im still at work, not seeking definitive stuff just like hows it lookin, ya know

[craggy barn]

do u have to step out and back into the fart?

[glass shard]

by such a large amount as well

[craggy barn]

or can u stay in the whole time

[slim hare]

stay in

[glass shard]

cant even play fate and accept ur trolling by a little

its by a lot

[elfin tusk]

You will instantly feel way stronger on this patch

[lavish shoal]

Do bonus rolls literally give you the item instantly or

[unique fulcrum]

u can stay in our go out and then dip in before it expires for additional 10 secs if i mnot wrong

[violet ferry]

Can we petition for a glyph to change the color of our fart cloud?

[daring yoke]

do we have to get 6/6 voidcores trasmuted, then we can buy the nebulous voidcores from decimus?

[slim hare]

the only thing that matters is being inside when the cloud fades

[craggy barn]

u cant track cloud cover's duration directly right (the cloud itself not the buff)

what is the best proxy buff to track it i guess

[slim hare]

yes take awang wa for tracking

[craggy barn]

he made a thing?

[slim hare]

https://wago.io/98vNhJhEH

[halcyon quiver]

fazed. If it keeps continuously reapplying and its at 3 stacks you have it

[slim hare]

or just 5sec left on adr

[halcyon quiver]

Like the second your fazed debuff on the target drops under 9s you've lost the buff

[final pagoda]

how does this work

[elfin tusk]

Just track smokescreen in your cdm, and it will tell you when you will be correctly applying the buff

[deep sequoia]

too bad we cant make in game sounds with WA anymore

[slim hare]

create a timer when pressing adr

[deep sequoia]

i wanna add a fart sound effect

[slim hare]

and then putting an custom icon to track it

[deep sequoia]

bo rai cho

[slim hare]

doesnt track the remaining duration of the cloud on the ground

or does it ?

[daring yoke]

is there a reason we cant use AR uptime for smoke uptime? arent they the same duration

[slim hare]

ar 15 sec

[elfin tusk]

no it just tracks the 10sec buff that gets applied to you, i just felt tracking the cloud myself was simple enough lol

[slim hare]

cloud 10

[fossil lintel]

damn

finishing at 6 feels so ass

[daring yoke]

oh right lmao

[tiny onyx]

@gaunt phoenix with this new talent build do we still want to run 21-25% haste or is that requirement lower/higher?

[daring yoke]

fuck i thought we had 20 secs of ar

[fossil lintel]

do we KS during AR or nah?

[spiral trench]

not familiar with outlaw, how high on the priority is killing machine for rotation

[slim hare]

so its not good enough to track the cloud on the ground

[cinder relic]

faq/wowhead

[cinder relic]

Yes

cancel KS if you overcap energy

[frail veldt]

regardless of cps?

[elfin tusk]

Correct, it in no way tracks the could itself, only the buff the cloud gives you

[frail veldt]

or always chennl to max cps

[fossil lintel]

energy, not cps?

[spiral trench]

true but i got a class discord that i can ask idiotic question in

[cinder relic]

bte > ks > dispatch

[spiral trench]

ty

[fossil lintel]

the new ace felt good though

i got a pretty long streak

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[elfin obsidian]

sorry for maybe asking this again, but why do we even play KS if we cancel it anyways? :/

[old gull]

wait am i understand this incorrectly? we use bladeflurry on st

[frail veldt]

it generates unseen blade stacks

[slim hare]

hero talent assortiment

[elfin obsidian]

okay

[frail veldt]

to make your SS hit harder and build to coup de grace

[slim hare]

you don't

[elfin obsidian]

thats a reason

[daring yoke]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[old gull]

why deft for raid build?

[blissful gate]

can i clarify something with the opener

:bf: Blade Flurry in AoE > :talent_bladerush: Blade Rush > build to :bte: BtE > continue building to BtE if it resets > :talent_preparation: Preparation when BtE is on cooldown > :talent_bladerush: Blade Rush > build to :bte: BtE > build to Killing Spree > ... (continue priority)

Would we not want to kspree before hitting prep?

[frail veldt]

cuz why not

doesnt compete with any other dps talent

its free

[slim hare]

nothing better you need to spend point

[frail veldt]

so if theres even one set of adds ever

[blissful gate]

or is kspree just a SHIT button we have to press

[frail veldt]

its worth it

[old gull]

better than 1pt of heavy hitter?

[slim hare]

exactly that

[blissful gate]

o7

[frail veldt]

it doesnt compete with that

deft competes with deadly pursuit/extra stam/short grapple

[old gull]

got it. ty

[elfin obsidian]

i dont get the KS party in the Prekey thingy... dont we just AR, RTB, SND? ... where do we fit KS in?

[slim hare]

ks can be use without tarket

and give cp back

and procs some stuff

[elfin obsidian]

but where do we get the cp

[slim hare]

so apply the prekey stuff

adr

[long barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[elfin obsidian]

oh so basically AR > KS > RTB > SND?

[slim hare]

no rtb

ar before key is put in

then key

[elfin obsidian]

ahhh

[slim hare]

then ks + snd before bubble

[elfin obsidian]

n rtb before we enter pull

[slim hare]

can bf too

then rtb adr bte on pull

[frail veldt]

adr

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[opaque zenith]

Isn’t that how we pre keyed s3 tww?

[slim hare]

nop

i mean maybe

[cinder relic]

Similar

[final pagoda]

do we use KS before key starts?

ok just read akirio messages sorry

[slim hare]

not sure actually; i think it doesnt matter but i might be wrong

[final pagoda]

well we def wanna RTB when key starts not before

[slim hare]

i saw zac saying ks then snd last second of bublle i just assuume he knows better

[final pagoda]

not sure if we also lose disorienting stirkes

kay

[buoyant hare]

Anyone have the new rotation for Trickster outlaw I'm a little disoriented

[slim hare]

like ks on 4 or 3 snd last second

[polar chasm]

pins

[slim hare]

he was also talking about bf at the end of bubble

with perma tricks its good on most key

[elfin obsidian]

as law we only apply unseen blades to our prio target, right?

[buoyant hare]

oH ty Bro

[opaque zenith]

New ace feels like a slow paced crackshot now. Do I spend 5 cp on PS or SS then PS

[cinder relic]

generate again

[slim hare]

i know with new talent its not the case all the time

but i dont the details of how it works

we do apply in aoe during cloudfart

[elfin obsidian]

i was always wondering lads, does bf cleave damage crit? or is it really just "normal damage" as it says

[echo tapir]

is disorienting strikes a buff or does it just do the thing

trying to understand the prekey stuff

[cinder relic]

It just does it

[echo tapir]

gotcha

ty

[peak dock]

can anyone help me why are those 2 trinkets with a cross on them?

[outer meteor]

the archer pull on ws feels illegal with cloud

cannot see the swirls

[peak dock]

vessel and heart