Dw got off ur profile
#outlaw
cinder relic
Every single buff is "in theory" m8
harsh mountain
so with using AR during pre-pull, wont our cloud be in a weird spot potentially during the opener? do we just grapple back and forth last second to refresh the buff? or am I just overthinking it lol
deep sequoia
I’m an idiot so I’ll forget probably and waste it
cinder relic
so with using AR during pre-pull, wont our cloud be in a weird spot potentially ...
It's large
Also, stealth
harsh mountain
got it, TY
sudden veldt
was asking in case some abilities didnt work as it read
deep sequoia
So what’s the opener look like as trickster now?
buoyant ridge
so, stupid question
which is the best build - what's pinned in faq?
what's on wowhead? (which one on wowhead since there's inconsistency)
yeah, I look at too much information and confuse myself
deep sequoia
Build to a ks then ar to get the smoke cloud close while the tank gathers?
low glade
frail veldt
so with using AR during pre-pull, wont our cloud be in a weird spot potentially ...
use it once youre closer
its just gona be something people hav eot learn to play around
cinder relic
so, stupid question
which is the best build - what's pinned in faq?
what's on wo...
The wowhead ones should all be correct
Unless the site hasn't been updated to the next patch yet
minor thorn
buoyant ridge
The wowhead ones should all be correct
thanks, they looked different that what was pinned and wanted to make sure
Appreciate all you do !!!
cinder relic
thanks, they looked different that what was pinned and wanted to make sure
Appre...
Can u post what you see
Cuz I'd it's wrong I need to push an update
buoyant ridge
Can u post what you see
yeah, give me one sec
cinder relic
Just a pic. Might be caching issues on one of our ends
jagged plover
buoyant cosmos
@frail veldt I went and read the article and go figure, it had the answer. Max crafted weps and hero / myth weps and trinkets can be upgraded with the ascended thing we build.
buoyant cosmos
It doesn't look like it'll be ready this week
buoyant ridge
Can u post what you see
cinder relic
Okay I meant a picture haha
twilit spruce
guys how's the gameplay after the changes? is it better?
tawdry mason
guys how's the gameplay after the changes? is it better?
ask zac 
cinder relic
guys how's the gameplay after the changes? is it better?
Worse? But barely so. But some ppl think it's way worse
buoyant ridge
Okay I meant a picture haha
thought they were pics .... i fuggered it up lol
keen belfry
twilit spruce
😭
cinder relic
Fatebound has a lot of passive resource improvements. Trickster doesn't
But if you like ks it's insane gameplay improvements!
delicate furnace
wait so with these buffs is Outlaw looking to be the new top rogue at the bottom of the overall meters? lol
tawdry mason
it's worse if you're used to the current one imo
radiant wyvern
why does blizz change a hero talent to be over a 10% difference compared to another?
twilit spruce
is reworked KS that bad
buoyant cosmos
why does blizz change a hero talent to be over a 10% difference compared to anot...
chatgpt
mystic berry
wait so with these buffs is Outlaw looking to be the new top rogue at the bottom...
the king of the beggars
jagged plover
why does blizz change a hero talent to be over a 10% difference compared to anot...
you can stop at "why does blizzard" because there is no logic to what they do
radiant wyvern
cinder relic
why does blizz change a hero talent to be over a 10% difference compared to anot...
Because it was bad so they buffed it to be good
jagged plover
why does blizzard
tawdry mason
why does blizz change a hero talent to be over a 10% difference compared to anot...
No 2 hero talents can be ever perfectly balanced
twilit spruce
now you know why its never tuning people doing the interviews
tawdry mason
why does blizzard
Surely they fix the devourer bug with void ray and it's a chopped spec 
timid portal
why does blizz change a hero talent to be over a 10% difference compared to anot...
to hide another bf nerf in next patch
radiant wyvern
5% bf dmg
mellow depot
so outlaw is now better than sub in raid?
native tinsel
did they sneak in an alleria buff in the latest notes
mellow depot
bring me back
mellow depot
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Why don't we macro trinkets to abilities?
- You want to use trinkets while BtE is active, but you can't macro them to BtE, as breaking vanish with a trinket will cause Subterfuge to not activate, so Vanish > BtE macro could fail.
- Trinkets are your only on demand burst damage, you sometimes want to hold it for specific mobs or vulnerability windows.
- You usually don't want to send it on a dying mob.
keen belfry
so + 9
twilit spruce
I really can't get over how we had peak gameplay back in DF and they just threw it in the bin
keen belfry
45
cinder relic
so outlaw is now better than sub in raid?
Outside of a few bosses yeah
native tinsel
fuckers edited the bluepost
cinder relic
I really can't get over how we had peak gameplay back in DF and they just threw ...
Fuck tww outlaw
buoyant ridge
Okay I meant a picture haha
you know what ... ignore me - apparently i had a huge brain fart LMFAO
for some reason my mind didn't connect M+ build to Cleave build - I'm having a monday part two lol
frail veldt
I would have loved double vanish with df s3
twilit spruce
10.2 outlaw keys just hit diff
cinder relic
you know what ... ignore me - apparently i had a huge brain fart LMFAO
for some ...
Ur good just wanting to check if any errors existed
native tinsel
what was outlaw in df s3, was it the HO build? i cant remember
frail veldt
what was outlaw in df s3, was it the HO build? i cant remember
you could play both
it was crackshot gameplay
with high adr uptime
twilit spruce
Omg do y'all remember the fth nerf
buoyant ridge
Ur good just wanting to check if any errors existed
nope, they're the same - it was all my dysfunction lmfao
native tinsel
it was crackshot gameplay
oh, the vanish one?
cinder relic
nope, they're the same - it was all my dysfunction lmfao
Perfect
frail veldt
yeah thats what we had from DF s3 to tww s3
jagged plover
the fth nerf was kinda justified but i had fun playing it
brisk comet
Guys, outlaw gonna be best tomorrow?
twilit spruce
Yes top1 rank1 bis
cinder relic
Guys, outlaw gonna be best tomorrow?
If you are comfy on outlaw it'll be very good
It's not a spec you pick up on reset afternoon and crank a99 on raid
tawdry mason
If you're rerolling to outlaw and never palyed it before chances are you'll be a tank level dps
frail veldt
If you're rerolling to outlaw and never palyed it before chances are you'll be a...
idk about tank level
tawdry mason
until you get used to it
twilit spruce
Ok but it's not THAT hard c'mon now
frail veldt
difficulty is relative
native tinsel
id say is the hardest rogue spec
frail veldt
outlaw is one of the harder specs in the game
if you want to say wow as a whole is easy then sure outlaws easy
frail veldt
but outlaw is still one of the harder specs
cinder relic
Then yeah boot it ip
brisk comet
was just wondering
cinder relic
Gl hf
native tinsel
outlaw is one of the harder specs in the game
i mean, what can be harder?
vivid vessel
boot it ip
radiant wyvern
boot it ip
get his ass
frail veldt
i mean, what can be harder?
idk I dont know enough about the individual specs post midnight rework
Ive played a few like uhdk
and it feels very very very easy
frank hamlet
can you share the link of that table?
frail veldt
and spriest
also rather easy
demo also
very easy
but I dont know what else is hard
havent played enough
tawdry mason
u just named 3 of the most braindead specs
frail veldt
im aware
jagged plover
the only 'hard' part that most other specs have that outlaw doesn't really is knowing when to send cooldowns
tawdry mason
what's next fire
jagged plover
because outlaw doesnt 
frail veldt
idk what the hard specs are
fluid meadow
i need to upgrade my brain memory with this new gameplay, imagine crackshot was hard to play( but there were loop and we knew when it comes and what comes), my brain lag this expac every time rn but im just an old midplayer
frail veldt
I only played it on ptr
jovial dock
did we get our buff today ?
frail veldt
yes
cinder relic
idk what the hard specs are
Devourer
placid ocean
maybe enh shaman is hard?
Not really.
jagged plover
planning movement i assume
cinder relic
No, not some nuances
placid ocean
Devourer is easy
cinder relic
It's a uptime spec
frail veldt
ive heard both sides haha
plain portal
Devourer is low floor high ceiling from what I’ve heard
native tinsel
is evoker as a whole hard?
cinder relic
Nobody good at Devourer says it's easy
cinder relic
Not really
frail veldt
bro look at the meters haha
native tinsel
yeah but are bad players still pumping on it
not in my experience though
cinder relic
Bro look at how much more damage an actually good Devourer does
native tinsel
everytime a devourer gets into one of my keys, it bottoms the dps
placid ocean
I mained shadow priest during legion. Devourer is the same concept but with better mobility and less buttons
frail veldt
Bro look at how much more damage an actually good Devourer does
sure but even 50th percentile devourer is top
it might be hard to get every ounce of dps out of it
but its skill floor is also low you dont have to play it that correctly to do decent damage
it can be both
like how assa was in TWW
good assas blast but bad assas still did decent damage
fair topaz
can i get items with bonusrolls i already got without bonusrolls or does the bad luck protection include them already?
cinder relic
good assas blast but bad assas still did decent damage
This is too many words to say "it's hard"
cinder relic
You can couch it all you want
jovial dock
we got our AOE blind back right ???
cinder relic
we got our AOE blind back right ???
Yes
jovial dock
we are upppp
frail veldt
sure I guess I dont always consider only skill cap to be what makes a spec hard
its also skill floor
jagged plover
skill floor on arcane is crazy holy
fluid meadow
but its skill floor is also low you dont have to play it that correctly to do de...
one of my friend who just touched 3k in every season hardly now pop up with devourer 3,2k insta and it's just the 4th week rn, spec is balanced, funny thing his devo parse in keys is like 95%+ so maybe he just found his spec
cinder relic
Being overtuned and meta =/= being easy
native tinsel
skill floor on arcane is crazy holy
from what ive heard, arcane is ass rn and ppl are just not really playing it
frail veldt
Being overtuned and meta =/= being easy
yeah I just dont see as big of a performance difference from like 50th percentile to 95% percentile as youre describing
snow totem
Outside of a few bosses yeah
Which bosses do feel still favor Sub over outlaw with today's patch
frail veldt
the spread isnt much different from demo
cinder relic
Which bosses do feel still favor Sub over outlaw with today's patch
Beloren, alleria, maybe nexus king
minor thorn
Anyboss that wants huge burst
snow totem
Is it just because of them being more ST oriented or?
minor thorn
Will favor sub
cinder relic
the spread isnt much different from demo
When fights have aoe this doesn't tell u exactly how hard specs are going to be compared to each other
uncut ginkgo
wowhead is estimating we are getting a 13% dps boost from this patch and I dont see it
cinder relic
Is it just because of them being more ST oriented or?
No it's those fights favoring burst
snow totem
Thank you
cinder relic
Alleria is really bad because of the rp intermission phases and downtime
Beloren mythic is a fight entirely centered on "how much egg damage you do"
And nexus king has a damage amp on sub timers
cinder relic
Outlaw will do more st than sub given equal conditions
ruby walrus
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
frail veldt
so median to upper/lower quartile is similar spread to demo
uncut ginkgo
I mean is the ace change really that dramatic?
snow totem
Mainly the trickster change
cinder relic
No it's the cloud cover rework
fossil lintel
Ace change is like 1%
unkempt dew
Crackshot was fun
placid ocean
Beloren, alleria, maybe nexus king
Are there any bosses where sin is the best spec?
uncut ginkgo
so we switching to tricks now?
snow totem
Guess I'm opening vault as outlaw today 
fossil lintel
Ye
minor thorn
Guess I'm opening vault as outlaw today <a:praygeAscend:916377521010905238>
Cmon myth weapon!
cinder relic
Are there any bosses where sin is the best spec?
Uhhh maybe lura if you are lusting right in execute
uncut ginkgo
go spam pit 10+
cinder relic
Maybe paladins if u can't play outlaw
uncut ginkgo
bonus roll for dagger
fossil lintel
All items on pit are good for us
fossil lintel
I'll probably dump my first 7 bonus rolls there
uncut ginkgo
I got lucky and hit dagger on my myth vault 2 weeks ago
snow totem
Question will be, can I still parse on outlaw while stoned like I do on Sub 
fossil lintel
You can change loot spec to outlaw and all it does is remove the dagger from POS loot pool, so you can just safely roll thete
long barn
Today Outlaw becomes S tier 🤤
fossil lintel
S tier specs are getting buffed as well 😂
merry harness
As they should be
vapid sundial
ngl
reading the replies to your posts is fun @cinder relic
some real specimen show up
surreal garden
is this actually a 13% buff? thats gonna put outlaw in like the top 5?
fossil lintel
Yes it's 13%
jagged plover
well plenty of other specs being buffed too
and ours is slightly more conditional than aura buffs
so will depend a little
unkempt dew
Top 15
surreal garden
fair enough, but itll be well ahead of both assa and sub now then, right?
fossil lintel
Top 40 specs for sure
unkempt dew
Seems right
vapid sundial
didnt rogue see 0 play in the race tho
jagged plover
sub also benefits a bit but not as much so seems likely
vapid sundial
so being ahead of the other 2 specs doesnt matter
class as a whole is dumpster last i checked
soft musk
fair enough, but itll be well ahead of both assa and sub now then, right?
sub got a 6% st and aoe buff too lol
dim parrot
but its skill floor is also low you dont have to play it that correctly to do de...
This is wrong lol. If someone not good their damage is horrible on devourer
uncut ginkgo
oh damn I completely missed the cloud cover change, ok the 13% makes since now
cinder relic
reading the replies to your posts is fun <@96834520417828864>
U shud see my reddit post bro
I know its like this in all games
But like god damn
uncut ginkgo
faze stacking to 3 is massive
native tinsel
guy on twitter is really funny
fossil lintel
faze stacking to 3 is massive
And we can get 50% uptime on it
vapid sundial
U shud see my reddit post bro
Rogue is getting buffed! why are you crying!
Because the bis classes in game are ALSO getting buffs, for some reasoN?
native tinsel
he rants so much that he is already on his 5th profile because blizzard keeps silencing him
hence the name
fossil lintel
Guy rants?
uncut ginkgo
our ae finally getting some needed love
vapid sundial
AE needs to be removed from the game
surreal garden
sub got a 6% st and aoe buff too lol
oh youre right. i saw 13% on outlaw and my mind glazed over thinking ill need to get a new weapon
cinder relic
I mean
If u can play outlaw
It will be better on most bosses now
But most ppl wont really bother, sub will remain popular
uncut ginkgo
now if they would quit with the hard target cap shit
dim parrot
Is unholy getting buffed
uncut ginkgo
yes
cinder relic
yes
soft musk
oh youre right. i saw 13% on outlaw and my mind glazed over thinking ill need to...
in all honestly itll probably be the = idk. sub will probably preferred because burst and aoe soft cap over hard cap idk
dim parrot
What lol
jagged plover
people saying a bug fix that increases damage isn't a buff is fucking hilarious
cinder relic
in all honestly itll probably be the = idk. sub will probably preferred because ...
Burst genuinely doesn't matter for most of this raid
it matters on beloren, and alleria
other than that burst does nothing this raid
uncut ginkgo
^
cinder relic
Alleria is more that outlaw is exceptionally bad
soft musk
paladin shield and crown fulcrum shield kinda matter a lil but not really planned around
gaunt phoenix
people saying a bug fix that increases damage isn't a buff is fucking hilarious
remember bf target bugfix that gave outlaw like 15% overall loll
high spire
outlaw getting an 18% buff?
uncut ginkgo
13
cinder relic
25%
surreal garden
in all honestly itll probably be the = idk. sub will probably preferred because ...
yeah the sub buff gives time to see how outlaw looks this week without trolling my guild by not automatically swapping
cinder relic
The number gets 5% higher every time somebody mentions it
minor thorn
Burst also matters on SallyB. But that boss is free so 
snow totem
36%, actually
cinder relic
Burst also matters on SallyB. But that boss is free so <:peeposhrug:65738226692...
Not really
uncut ginkgo
The number gets 5% higher every time somebody mentions it
lol
quiet ore
42%
jolly geyser
trickster wants 34% crit
gaunt phoenix
42% during beloren egg
snow totem
It's like that one talisman in PoE
soft musk
M+ sub and assa prob still better than outlaw too. but thats just soft cap vs hard cap stuff
cinder relic
Outlaw will probably be better in keys
tall sundial
Is it worth to take all the CD reduction for blind as it only competes with utility?
high spire
13% buff is really nice i wonder if outlaw will be best for M+ or even raids
cinder relic
Like ofc its not a dev/aug/udk whatever
But like, SIn wasnt that much better in keys
a 13%+ buff is a fucking inasne number
uncut ginkgo
yea
minor thorn
Maybe not in AA tho. Being capped on that first pull turbo sucks.
cinder relic
Now, will rogues in NA play outlaw? Probably still no, Outside of the diehards
uncut ginkgo
and with the amount of uptime
old gull
What’s the single target increase?
cinder relic
13%
uncut ginkgo
57
snow totem
Tfw rogue gets a -5% across the board next reset.
high spire
outlaw got the biggest increase from this patch damn
native tinsel
Now, will rogues in NA play outlaw? Probably still no, Outside of the diehards
The west probably loved these buffs though
vapid sundial
outlaw isnt played unless its turbobis
native tinsel
CN players love outlaw for some reason
vapid sundial
just how its always been
soft musk
assa gets better prio and aoe than outlaw and sub has a similar thing. outlaw kinda does not bring that to M+. its going to be better than it was but i dont think itll be better than assa or sub.
uncut ginkgo
proud to say ive been combat/outlaw for 21yrs
quiet ore
Now, will rogues in NA play outlaw? Probably still no, Outside of the diehards
I'm excited to see just how much it moves us from "least played spec in m+ on rio". Presumably some, but midseason tuning can only do so much for pop
cinder relic
assa gets better prio and aoe than outlaw and sub has a similar thing. outlaw ki...
If hypothetically speaking, Sin does 10k damage, but it has prio, but outlaw does 40k damage, but has worse prio, the whole prio thing doesn't really matter, right
niches matter when the margins are slim
soft musk
im always outlaw. but i can see it
cinder relic
I don't push keys so wtf do I know, but when the numbers are so fucking big you stop caring about niches n shit
high spire
assa gets better prio and aoe than outlaw and sub has a similar thing. outlaw ki...
if these outlaw changes make it to where assa and sub is still more powerful in M+ that is absolutely insane
soft musk
If hypothetically speaking, Sin does 10k damage, but it has prio, but outlaw doe...
idk i guess casual addict them are wrong than and prio doesnt matter.
cinder relic
Every spec "has some niche esoteric value"
uncut ginkgo
well the tricks changes effect sub also
native tinsel
if these outlaw changes make it to where assa and sub is still more powerful in ...
sub also was buffed, dont forget that
cinder relic
My perspective from an outsider observing key balance has people will find specs that are good, and then work backwards in ways to justify "Why this spec serves a purpose" yk
soft musk
wait foreverguy is outlaw now and not sub this tier? lets go!!!
high spire
sub also was buffed, dont forget that
that is true 6% is very nice
cinder relic
Well, we havent killed lura and I dont really have outlaw gear ready 
But I will be playing outlaw on farm
I really like how it plays atm
uncut ginkgo
Deathstalker’s Mark has been updated – Garrote applies 3 stacks of Deathstalker’s Mark to your target, unless Deathstalker’s Mark is already active. You learn Mark for Death. When you spend 5 or more combo points on attacks against a Marked target you consume an application of Deathstalker’s Mark, dealing 120% Plague damage.
Mark for Death: Move your active Deathstalker’s Mark to your target. 10 yard range, 20 second cooldown, 25 Energy, and not on the global cooldown.
placid ocean
I don't push keys so wtf do I know, but when the numbers are so fucking big you ...
The other two dps in my M+ group have uncapped AoE so it'd probably make sense for me to play the spec with better prio.
As an example, I think your overall comp may be an important factor here
soft musk
assa and sub were the pick because the soft cap. than assa got higher on prio from buff and the agi from rupture for funnel. outlaw i only see our king tomelvis stream it and it seems fine.
uncut ginkgo
we are all forgetting the true gem of this patch though
New Talent: Sanguine Vial – When you deal the killing blow to a target that yields experience or honor, the cooldown of Crimson Vial is reduced by 15 seconds and your next use heals 5% of your health instantly.
dim parrot
assa gets better prio and aoe than outlaw and sub has a similar thing. outlaw ki...
Sub is burst aoe pad
soft musk
Sub is burst aoe pad
ive not touched sub since bfa. since shadowlands was essentially put on liquid reminders to manage cooldowns. ive always been a outlaw rogue main
random stirrup
Now, will rogues in NA play outlaw? Probably still no, Outside of the diehards
if we find a warrior im about to game 
soft musk
but cant deny what sub and assa do aswell
buoyant cosmos
New Talent: Sanguine Vial – When you deal the killing blow to a target that yiel...
Isn't this a lot like victory rush?
Or has that been changed a bunch
cinder relic
Yes
cinder relic
It should
formal thunder
just have to snipe the killing blows
unique fulcrum
if the wording is the exact same as for warrior ye
cobalt walrus
so is outlaw now M plus meta?
elfin obsidian
hey guys: how would u rank difficulty of law compared to prev. expansions rn?
cinder relic
Easier
unique fulcrum
way easier id say
soft musk
wait is @cinder relic are you playing outlaw now or are you sub again this tier?
buoyant cosmos
he's playing the bench
unique fulcrum
i think he always plays sub cuz of raid
cinder relic
wait is <@96834520417828864> are you playing outlaw now or are you sub again thi...
I haven't been gearing and making choices based on "playing outlaw on lura"
So I don't think I have the gear to make the swap for the rest of lura prog
soft musk
i was gonna ask you too when do i switch to the gem? i read your guide and my sims are similar if i have the weapon and armor enchant. but i kinda want to play the gem
cinder relic
What gem
native tinsel
was that MC 21 with outlaw? @vivid vessel
prisma heron
What are we taking the point out of for ace?
surreal flower
I haven't been gearing and making choices based on "playing outlaw on lura"
I got the “you got outlaw gear?” message today
random stirrup
So I don't think I have the gear to make the swap for the rest of lura prog
is it that bad though
cinder relic
I have a lot of mastery gear
soft musk
I haven't been gearing and making choices based on "playing outlaw on lura"
aww were you sub again this tier 🙁
random stirrup
I just swap my jewelry and upgrade my weapon
cinder relic
I also just dont have jewelery
soft musk
What gem
the ring gem in your guide it said to switch to it at some point but im not sure when. i simmed both but is there a socket minimum to swap or is it just when sims say?
surreal flower
Is there any big haste jewelery besides the very rare stuff?
cinder relic
the ring gem in your guide it said to switch to it at some point but im not sure...
You mean the crit damage one?
surreal flower
Like w/ 200+ stat
random stirrup
no
potent ore
It will be better on most bosses now
am progging cosmos, u think outlaw will be better there?
soft musk
ill find it one sec
cinder relic
am progging cosmos, u think outlaw will be better there?
No
random stirrup
you need to play like pit neck, pit ring, nexus crit haste ring
surreal flower
cinder relic
The bigger issue is I have bad offpiece
elfin obsidian
do we stick to fatebound as law? or we going trickster with upcoming buffs?
elfin obsidian
for m+
soft musk
@cinder relic this one
random stirrup
does it really make that big a difference though?
cinder relic
Plus I'm already 200 pulls deep on lura as sub so, I'd rather not swap it up this late into a fight
random stirrup
Plus I'm already 200 pulls deep on lura as sub so, I'd rather not swap it up thi...
like that is a strong reason
unique fulcrum
NA servers up yet?
jolly geyser
Lura is kill next raid?
soft musk
my sim is saying they are basically net neutral right now. but im not sure if i swap to it if i have 4 or more sockets
fathom bramble
NA servers up yet?
NA servers are suppose to come up in 3 hours
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> this one
Oh, the amount of sockets doesn't infleuence the power of focusing iris
cinder relic
If it doesn't sim higher for you, it doesnt sim higher
long barn
Oh, the amount of sockets doesn't infleuence the power of focusing iris
Wait for real?
I thought it did
soft musk
ok so it would be better to just swap into it for ST than?
cinder relic
I wouldn't focus super hard on that crafting section in the context the specific context ur focusing on
long barn
Shit I guess I should just make an arcanoweace item
cinder relic
that comment is like, full bis, super idealic gear, it might be better to go iris over darkmoon
soft musk
ya on sims its better for me in ST but its a lil less in dungeon slice but tbh i rather do more boss dmg in keys. but i wasnt sure if that was the best call
cinder relic
But with these bonus rolls existing, i might even want to change that
Cuz the entiery theory was like, u cant guarentee a dungeon ring
So u would want to craft to get ideal stats
But now u can just get every mythic piece from dungeons
soft musk
ya i simmed the ring as my third one. but i didnt put on the embelishment iwas actually waiting for you in here haha
i know you are always providing feedback in here so i figure id wait and ask your opinion on it. or if its changed since release and all the changes since than
cinder relic
crafting is kinda just vibes tbh
U craft worst slot, sometimes x emblishment is slightly better than y embelishment
Its all very slim margin stuff
soft musk
i was gonna go double arcono lining on boots and belt. i figure the agi would be good and it sims a lil better. but ive been sim baited before. figure id ask the guys that studied the spec
cinder relic
Sims are accurate for that typa stuff
soft musk
ok so it doesnt really matter than. just do what sims puts out or what feels good?
cinder relic
like that is a strong reason
Yeah I mean thats the main reason
cinder relic
ok so it doesnt really matter than. just do what sims puts out or what feels goo...
just do what sims says, and use ur brain a bit yeah
soft musk
haha i overthink. cant trust the noggin
cinder relic
I mean no guide says "craft pants as ur second craft" but it was my best upgrade for when I crafted it, so I crafted it for sub for prog
soft musk
oh i have no idea about sub. i only play outlaw. i dont have time to do multiple sets or characters.
cinder relic
same principal applies to all specs
soft musk
i rely on the guides and on solo, elvis levy and you haha
cinder relic
LOL thats fair
fickle relic
anybody else in 2 hour long que?
remote estuary
im much closer than that but yeah queue times kekw
fickle relic
"2 hour"
remote estuary
ive made it to login twice and failed to connect thinkin its toast
junior coral
sameeeee haha, i havent had much time to play and only 3400 but about to lock in since outlaw goes Brrrrrr... been playing sub but back to the lawwww
soft musk
ngl i cant wait to go bak to trickster ive been missing my machine pistols. even if i have to cancel them
tiny onyx
U shud see my reddit post bro
send the link i wanna see
junior coral
whos a sim god and wants some $$ lol to get my switch to outlaw top tierrrrrrrr plugged in =p
lmfao
timid portal
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gusty cipher
this trickster cloud thing is like the old lunar beam hero talent for hunters right? doesn't follow the mobs
jagged plover
drops on the ground
gusty cipher
hideous
fathom bramble
it relies on the player being in it and has a lot of leeway compared to other mechanics of its style
proven ocean
Guys guys i have news
cinder relic
it has a long linger effect, and the range is legit massive
Its not ideal but its not that bad either
gusty cipher
huh
cinder relic
The dps increase is genuinely insane
proven ocean
Guys guys i have news
A news paper but its useless for you guys unluck
cinder relic
It's not like its ass for 2% damage
Its ass for 13% damage
I think I can stomach that
fathom bramble
only really pressing it on pull in keys while the tank is gathering will you notice the cloud uptime dropping
proven ocean
I love outlaw
gusty cipher
funky
worthy surge
outlaw bis
gentle wasp
Ok Outlaw deal damage now ?
jagged plover
flavour wise it's pretty cool at least
proven ocean
Ok i think i made it worse
gentle wasp
the right cloud is the size of cloud cover
Lmao
cinder relic
I meant forever guy guy
thanks 
proven ocean
Np
gusty cipher
the right cloud is the size of cloud cover
i can take this ass for 13% damage
glass breach
Outlaw about to pop off in keys?
frail veldt
the right cloud is the size of cloud cover
thats like
too big
imagine using that in a room
tired rune
frail veldt
I want it smaller just so that I can see haha
fathom bramble
the spell effect should definitely be less opaque
unique fulcrum
does it fuck with FPS? @cinder relic
gusty cipher
better nerf it before an outlaw does funky high overall in a high key
cinder relic
does it fuck with FPS? <@96834520417828864>
If ur on a mackintosh from the 90s maybe
fathom bramble
it should just be the ground effect under the smoke probably
proven ocean
Nah smaller aoe effects is usually just so impractical
unique fulcrum
If ur on a mackintosh from the 90s maybe
thank god mine is from 2005
frail veldt
it should just be the ground effect under the smoke probably
agreed
somber fractal
any pumper OL rogue need 19 pit on eu?
jagged plover
mackin on that tosh
proven ocean
Effects such as buffs should never be small
proven ocean
the right cloud is the size of cloud cover
Btw thats same size as rune of power
gusty cipher
does the buff fade away right when you leave the cloud? i think this has been answered somewhere, but i dont remember, sorry
proven ocean
From mage
short briar
the right cloud is the size of cloud cover
can other ppl see this lol
frail veldt
the 10s linger honestly
I wouldnt mind it smaller
wouldnt even matter
the linger is so op
proven ocean
Unless theres extra distance
gusty cipher
oh shit 10 seconds??
frail veldt
the linger is the duration of the etnire cloud
proven ocean
Then its bigger
gusty cipher
desert tendon
zeross this pfp ugly
proven ocean
Oh
fathom bramble
the linger means that for practical purposes the only time you must be in the cloud is right before it ends
or as close to that as you can get
proven ocean
It might be a yard bigger than rune of power
cinder relic
oh shit 10 seconds??
fathom bramble
I mean rune of power was kind of massive
cinder relic
can other ppl see this lol
In the open world yes, raid has different rules and didn't test it in raid
fathom bramble
I don't think most player realize it is bigger than the actual rune
it had like circles radiating from it
cinder relic
Rune also didn't have such an insane linger on it
fathom bramble
yeah rune was 3? seconds
proven ocean
Smoke seems same size
fathom bramble
I think
proven ocean
As rune of power
frail veldt
the linger is so nice yeah
gusty cipher
does this fart have a cooldown tho
frail veldt
rune of power had almost no linger
gusty cipher
or does it drop everytime you blades/ar
frail veldt
made it way harder to play around
proven ocean
Ye its definitely same size as rune of power
frail veldt
this one is super easy
proven ocean
100%
fossil lintel
or does it drop everytime you blades/ar
Every time
frail veldt
or does it drop everytime you blades/ar
thats is the cooldown
fossil lintel
We fart every 30-40 seconds
fossil lintel
Which is why it's much higher for outlaw, we get like 50% uptime on farts
prisma heron
Damn I was loving FB and the grappling resets
proven ocean
Like
jagged plover
crop dusting the entire raid
proven ocean
The cloud thing sounds fun but
I think you guys will hate it
In the future
So good luck
fathom bramble
it doesn't sound fun
frail veldt
I anticipate hating it
fathom bramble
it sounds manageable
mystic berry
I already know I will dislike it, but the way it works is manageable
worthy surge
ya it doesn't sound fun but we'll get used to it
frail veldt
if it was a smaller buff like guy was saying
proven ocean
Its nice to get buffs but that thing isnt practical in the future
gusty cipher
bottom line is number go up is fun so ig it will be fun at first
frail veldt
but we were playing toxic KS
it was not fun
this isnt as bad as that
but its def not great
fossil lintel
It'll be fun for a week causing people to not see ground effects and then it'll get annoying
proven ocean
Nah
mystic berry
like, I hate to fight around an area, reason why I despise totemic enhance
proven ocean
This is worse than rune of power and killingspree btw
mystic berry
but this lingers
gusty cipher
if ppl could take playing old KS and falling over to random shit
mystic berry
so its ok
jagged plover
it's not worse than rop
proven ocean
I dont think you guys realize how bad that smoke screen is
fossil lintel
This is definitely not worse than rop
wooden pilot
thinking about your location when you pressed ADR gonna get old so fast
proven ocean
Because most of you guys dont have 40,000 hours playing melee
cinder relic
Its significantly better than rune of power
jagged plover
you can leave the cloud for 9 seconds then grapple in last second and you have full uptime
frail veldt
Its significantly better than rune of power
yeah fr
proven ocean
Its significantly better than rune of power
Melee’s move alot more than ranged
gusty cipher
so now instead of teleporting over puddles we stop seeing them
fathom bramble
rune you could relocate once and realisitcally should not have been pressing if you couldn't cast anyway
proven ocean
Ranged have freedom usually in m+ packs
frail veldt
you press it once
mystic berry
I will just create a custom icon for the cloud and touch base like guy said
frail veldt
then you touch it once
fossil lintel
The buff from it has a 10s linger and you can pop in again before it expires
proven ocean
Melees never do
frail veldt
thats it
you never have to stand in it
you can put it outside the pack if you want
worthy surge
you also get 15% dr from pressing it
gusty cipher
but if the said cooldown is tied to blades too then it shouldnt be a problem, you press it a lot anyway no?
proven ocean
How does it work tho
gusty cipher
in aoe
fossil lintel
Worst case you hook in and out of it for the refresh if you have to move far away
proven ocean
Ok maybe i was misunderstanding on how the smoke works
jagged plover
"you guys will hate this you don't understand"
"how does it work tho"
never change zeross
proven ocean
?
fossil lintel
While on the smoke you get a buff, the buff lingers 10s after leaving the smoke
proven ocean
Why are u trying to be annoying all the time
jagged plover
im directly quoting you
fossil lintel
Mobs don't need to be on the smoke
jagged plover
if that annoys you, skill issue
proven ocean
Ye talk like a normal person
frail veldt
Ok maybe i was misunderstanding on how the smoke works
touching smoke gives you a 10s duration buff and smoke itself lasts 10s
proven ocean
Instead of being provocative all the time
jagged plover
you calling someone else provocative is a good ass meme
frail veldt
you never have to stand in it
fossil lintel
Preferably you throw the smoke on top of your ranged friends so they die from ground effects and you can have all that sweet pad for yourself
frail veldt
you can put it 10yards outside the pack if you want
frail veldt
Preferably you throw the smoke on top of your ranged friends so they die from gr...
they dont see it
its nerfed for teammates
muted crest
we have to track unseen blade like in tww?
frail veldt
we have to track unseen blade like in tww?
no
jagged plover
sorry bro this is just a hilarious chain of messages for me
frail veldt
I was told it was much much less bad for them
cinder relic
Didn't test
frail veldt
in dungeon yeah
vivid vessel
@random stirrup new high 
jagged plover
you're trying to tell people how something will be without understanding how it works
frail veldt
guess we will see
if my teammates complain
ngl
if it does look the same for allies
they will fix it
proven ocean
Ye im blocking you idc
frail veldt
it will be complained about so much
jagged plover
frail veldt
is he worse than me zeross
fossil lintel
<@135762418251988992> new high <:WICKEG:934125230195089419>
Imagine tomorrow with fart cloud, your egg damage will be yuge
jagged plover
tell me how im wrong then
instead of whining
wahhh you quoted me and i dont like it
wahhh
i wasnt even being serious it was just funny and you got offended
proven ocean
<@135762418251988992> new high <:WICKEG:934125230195089419>
I watched the tv show
U told me earlier
Me like
fossil lintel
Idk Jordy Ross fight doesn't hit as hard as Zac Ross fights do for me
proven ocean
I dont remember what it was called tho
jagged plover
wasnt even trying to fight that's just funny as hell
vivid vessel
Imagine tomorrow with fart cloud, your egg damage will be yuge
best spec for egg daamge
for sure
proven ocean
Idk Jordy Ross fight doesn't hit as hard as Zac Ross fights do for me
Ye except when i speak to zac he actually has a brain and talks like a normal person
fossil lintel
Yeah especially with ww burst being 20% down next patch
proven ocean
vivid vessel
Yeah especially with ww burst being 20% down next patch
and shamans are getting pied
so its not fair
if tehy werent getting pied
i would be top damage
most pulls
jagged plover
i dont get the "speaking like a normal person"
i literally just quoted you
is that not a self report
fossil lintel
My GL pronounces it as peed
proven ocean
and shamans are getting pied
Wtf is pied
Is that a new word now or what
Zac why u making new words up
??
glass mortar
zac...
fickle stream
lolol
glass mortar
what if they gave u PI....
fickle stream
power infusionnnn
fossil lintel
Ross come on you know what pied is
proven ocean
OH
proven ocean
PI
glass mortar
show them our lust spike on the simcraft graph zac.....
frail veldt
jfc
jagged plover
pi'd
frail veldt
PIed
proven ocean
Like
fickle stream
Why u call it pied
pdiddy name lol
proven ocean
A pie chart
From the past
Like
Pie but
Pastence
Pastense
What is it called
Idk
vivid vessel
Wtf is pied
pi -ed
proven ocean
?
jagged plover
pie isnt a verb outside of british slang
proven ocean
Ye
tender vault
if i have plume gaze and insigna all mythic, what should i use for m+?
gusty cipher
show them our lust spike on the simcraft graph zac.....
need to see a spike like this
tough trellis
okay guys is it joever or are we so back i am a sheep and cannot think for myself
fossil lintel
Yeah no bigger insult than saying someone resembles french
buoyant cosmos
zac isnt french too?
he's actually from Quebec
craggy barn
wait
proven ocean
whats quebec
random stirrup
<@135762418251988992> new high <:WICKEG:934125230195089419>
gaming
proven ocean
Is that food
glass mortar
its bigger then rune but the same effective coverage i think, runes animation wasnt the full 8 yards
fossil lintel
are peopel saying cloud cover is the same size as rune?
Rune actually extended way past it's visual, but I don't think it was ever as big as that fart
glass mortar
^
craggy barn
yea
proven ocean
Weran
craggy barn
no way rune was ever that big
glass mortar
hard to tell cause RoP didnt accuratly represent its thing
glass mortar
fart might be a lil bigger tho. looks bigger in the screenshot
frail veldt
Rune actually extended way past it's visual, but I don't think it was ever as bi...
yeah fart is def bigger
cinder relic
I feel like ppl need to take an english class
proven ocean
Weran
fossil lintel
A lot of us aren't English native speakers
proven ocean
Ring of piece was only a yard bigger to push you back
near rock
I feel like ppl need to take an english class
Majority of people here are ESL bro
glass mortar
RoP does not mean ring of peace
proven ocean
What does it mean then Ranch of Potatoes?
haughty wigeon
imagine
making an ability
call it prep
and have prep reset ks
and then
dont use prep to reset ks
god this ability is so ass
who is th is ability for
jagged plover
hearthstone players
proven ocean
and have prep reset ks
No i have a better idea
A prep talent that prepares you to prepare your prepareness
Like
Prep resets prep
Thoughts?
fathom bramble
I mean KS is like 2 little changes from being fine
haughty wigeon
prepareationprep
fathom bramble
prep needs a whole rework
haughty wigeon
prep needs god
fathom bramble
or nrew mechanic to make it feel fine
haughty wigeon
and they buffed everything to make prep good
proven ocean
ok but have u considered that u can
Nope
haughty wigeon
instead of making prep itself good
glass mortar
for a full 8 seconds of kspreeing
proven ocean
7 CP kspree into a prep 7 CP kspree
Yep
proven ocean
Tbf
fossil lintel
At least you're happy when prep is up, whenever I see KS off cd I know it's time to go make coffee and wait before I can play the game again
proven ocean
U just keep spinning
craggy barn
i mean they nerfed our prepress in nerubar
like outside of fatebound prepressing hitting the boss early
we didnt really want to prepress after the prepull changes right
proven ocean
Zomb
craggy barn
wasnt AR a victim of prepull nerfs
haughty wigeon
At least you're happy when prep is up, whenever I see KS off cd I know it's time...
ya but prep is up every 50 years
:)
proven ocean
Wtf u still alive
craggy barn
or am i completely misremembering
proven ocean
??
placid ocean
Majority of people here are ESL bro
Then maybe they should take an English class
craggy barn
???
haughty wigeon
i def want
normal aurora
Just to clarify, we KS inside AR if BTE is on CD right? And we only prep when BTE goes on CD to continue the BTE loop before we use KS.
craggy barn
im undead
fathom bramble
like outside of fatebound prepressing hitting the boss early
we didnt really wan...
thanks to the bug/oversight that AR combo points aren't kept yeah
haughty wigeon
a static 4min cd in a spec thats all about cdr
proven ocean
u thought i was dead?
No but
fossil lintel
ya but prep is up every 50 years
I wish KS was every 50 years
proven ocean
I forgot u existed
craggy barn
i dont think ive seen u in here for like at least a week ross
proven ocean
Same
upper surge
<@190271915041095690> was a prophet
glass mortar
idk what do u mean so obviously
near rock
Then maybe they should take an English class <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
Look I agree with you dw
proven ocean
https://tenor.com/view/tyrion-game-of-thrones-drinking-wine-got-gif-5405668
Hes sarcastic
glass mortar
i love my dead gcd without even an animation
thorny zinc
prep should so obviously be replaced with 2 charges
I feel like we cant ever get this now because it would go against their like making stuff easier mentality
glass mortar
its very cute we r bringing these back into the game
haughty wigeon
prep should so obviously be replaced with 2 charges
no no no loktark
glass mortar
after we discovered every player hates them
haughty wigeon
you see
proven ocean
Larias..
haughty wigeon
that would make the uptime spiral out of ctonrol
placid ocean
Look I agree with you dw
Respect to people who know more than 1 language though, fr
jagged plover
prep should so obviously be replaced with 2 charges
it's funny because frost mage has the choice node of cold snap (prep) and 2 charges, you can guess what people take
haughty wigeon
and make adr have 99% uptime somehow
haughty wigeon
and this balance us around that
quaint pond
is wowhead tripping or is it actually a 13% buff
haughty wigeon
not the uptime
i know
keen belfry
prep should so obviously be replaced with 2 charges
how would you envision us playing with 2 bte charges? the only thing i see being weird is it resetting itself and then wasting cd
haughty wigeon
im just qoute specific people
proven ocean
Is 13% even enough
keen belfry
like youd basically press BTE on cd with 2 charges right?
haughty wigeon
who d ont want 2 charges on abilities cause of fmade up problems
proven ocean
Genuinely speaking
frail veldt
zac thinks so
fathom bramble
how would you envision us playing with 2 bte charges? the only thing i see being...
on CD and a more generous holding for AR rule than the one we currently have
frail veldt
well we need the other specs that we are good with to be good
so warrior being good
makes us good
and monk tank being good
haughty wigeon
until your tank moves out of smokescreen
frail veldt
makes us good
haughty wigeon
tell you what guys
fathom bramble
BR(probably) becomes cast if you will cap on charges or energy is low
frail veldt
if vdh and disc priest and mage became too good
placid ocean
on CD and a more generous holding for AR rule than the one we currently have
AR with 2 charges would give flexibility too
proven ocean
well we need the other specs that we are good with to be good
Not rly lol
frail veldt
otulaw would be worse
still matrix
dafk na is still down
fathom bramble
AR becomes on CD unless you will get interrupted soon or a damage amp is soon
keen belfry
on CD and a more generous holding for AR rule than the one we currently have
wed have some funny rule where u want to save 2 btes for AR unless apex
frail veldt
Not rly lol
I mean a little, think about how much dps buff you get in a group with war/monk now. Monk is 8% physical now
proven ocean
If one class does too much damage the buff classes become irrelevant buddy
frail veldt
sure yeah
craggy barn
guys dont forget to prefart your vault when its live
craggy barn
prefart for luck
fathom bramble
also when apex and ace both refund you would actually have the overhead to store both charges
proven ocean
Ye i mean
frail veldt
less than now I think
proven ocean
We still played monk
frail veldt
monk was weaker back then
proven ocean
And what else
proven ocean
Still big wdym
keen belfry
u did a triple outlaw key with a dh
keen belfry
no one thought about raid buffs like they do now
elfin obsidian
a simple question: Finisher on 6+ or 5+? ... i forgot
proven ocean
Yes because dh was the only tank we had to play with
frail veldt
yeah im saying if monk wasnt in meta outlaw would need more than 13%
frail veldt
we arent good enough to play without monk/war rn
proven ocean
We wouldnt play dh lol
frail veldt
even with 13%
fossil lintel
a simple question: Finisher on 6+ or 5+? ... i forgot
Fatebound dispatch at 5, everything else at 6
proven ocean
At all
frail veldt
at least imo obv we dont know yet
elfin obsidian
Fatebound dispatch at 5, everything else at 6
ty 🙂
fossil lintel
Trickster is everything 6+
proven ocean
It sucked that all tanks were bad back then
Warrior wouldve been a real banger
Btw
We did play with warrior
frail veldt
right now theres just a lot of good specs
frail veldt
demo, uhdk, devourer, ret, war, etc
proven ocean
Most our keys were with a warrior and a monk
craggy barn
other people's farts dont affect us right
proven ocean
Lmao
frail veldt
in DF S3 even without buffs there werent many specs that could beat outlaw
it was like fire/spriest
rn theres too many strong specs
proven ocean
U guys just love to gaslight s3 DF
fossil lintel
other people's farts dont affect us right
You can smell them but it only empowers the farter
craggy barn
imagine if other player farts worked on other rogues
triple rogue keys for 100% fart uptime
frail veldt
theres quite a lot of strong specs in the meta rn
dusty magnet
proven ocean
Warrior was alot better than a 3rd outlaw btw
dusty magnet
i mean surely they dont nerf rgue
proven ocean
Issue is
dusty magnet
if theyre giving dhdk buffs.. tf
proven ocean
The warriors that played in s3 df sucked
frail veldt
warrior is better than the first outlaw rn haha
proven ocean
So badly
fossil lintel
imagine if other player farts worked on other rogues
triple rogue keys for 100% ...
You would bring 2 outlaw and 1 sub
frozen quest
good night cya tomorrow
proven ocean
S3 DF was one of the most dead seasons for non outlaws/non meta classes
slim hare
yeah
proven ocean
Idk if people realize that
frail veldt
S3 DF was one of the most dead seasons for non outlaws/non meta classes
yeah exactly
thats what im saying
proven ocean
That season was so unpopular
frail veldt
like aug, uhdk, demo, devouer, arms, ret
slim hare
havent done it since
frail veldt
ferals not bad
proven ocean
Like
frail veldt
bms also decent